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Today I talk with Dr. Paul Byrne. He is a pioneer in the neonatology field. He has devoted his life to saving life, from the premature newborn to the man or woman that was unfortunate to become dependent on the medical system to save their life. It may make your rethink being an organ donor. I use Harvest Right Freeze dryers. I am an affiliate and do get a percentage if you use this link: https://harvestright.com/ I truly believe in their products and have owned a Harvest Right Freeze Dryer since 2016. It is the best way to ensure you have food for you and your family. As always please like, share and follow. Please check out my Patreon account (https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. 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And certainly unpaired vital organs like the heart of the whole liver. There's no way to get those organs unless they get them from a living person. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, well thank you for joining me again. I first wanna. Start off by saying thank you to all of my [00:01:00] Patreon supporters. I've got shell pace at the $50 level. At the 20 $20 level. I've got Sam and Angela Sheey at the pandemic reprimand level at $17 and 76. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Ty, Charles Tin, Foyle Stanley, Dr. Anna, who is a guest on this show, Frank, and we have a new one. Brian. Thank you Brian. At the self-made $10 level, we have Kevin at the Refine Not Burned $5 tier. There's Linda Emmy, Joe Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, and at the courageous contagious $1 level. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Amanda j Spits, nasty Drell. Susan BB King, who is a guest on this show. And Rick, thank you so much for all of your support. I greatly appreciate any monetary support, any prayers, any donations that the gifts, and go. Today I have a very special guest, Dr. Paul Burn. Dr. Paul Byrne is a pioneer in neonatology. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He helped develop. The ventilation system for when we intubate children. He helped develop that, that we're still using today in 1963 is when he helped develop that. Sir, thank you [00:02:00] so much for coming on with us. Dr. Paul Byrne: Thank you for inviting me. It, it's honor to be with you and yes I was instrumental in helping develop the ventilator, but the, the other thing I did that can be of interest to to you and your listeners is that I, I worked with the engineers from the astronaut program and we, we took the the blood pressure cuff from the finger of the astronaut and moved it up to the arm, the premature, and we were the ones that invented a method to take blood pressure on premature babies. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so I started in 63. I would say that we didn't really make good progress until about 1970 when I started in 63. Every baby, three pounds and four ounces that had trouble with. With breathing died, it was a hundred percent [00:03:00] mortality. And, and of course now many auto, many of those babies now survive the ventilator's. Dr. Paul Byrne: Interesting because it had to be very precise and very sensitive to function on the two pound baby. So once it was invented for the two pound baby it was shown to be effective at really at all ages and stages of eventually or so. Able to help people who who, who get in touch with me that have difficulties with breathing and the ventilator and the like, and it's it's almost like my the back of my hand that that I have a grasp on that use of the ventilator. Dr. Paul Byrne: Anyway, it was it, it was a, a time when I wasn't the only one. Obviously there were multiple people in the world realizing how important it was to de develop ways to treat prematurely born babies. [00:04:00] So we started at Cardinal Glennon Hospital. The significant is, is that we were the ones that, that identified the need in parental nutrition for babies, the need for magnesium, the need for zinc and and, and so and the need for copper. Dr. Paul Byrne: So those those elements are in the in, in parental nutrition really at all ages and stages. But if you can imagine that what would, what it was like to ha have tiny little babies and measure every bit of intake and output and, and every bit of urine, every bit of stool. Dr. Paul Byrne: But we, we did all that in, in the Development of the care of premature babies. And then what happened in my life is that Joseph was born and he came under my care. His mother always insisted that he could not have been any more than 20 [00:05:00] weeks gestation. He was on, on a ventilator for several weeks. Dr. Paul Byrne: And he wouldn't do anything. He wouldn't move when we would try to stimulate him. He wouldn't attempt to breathe at all. And so a brainwave test was done and they. Brainwave. The e EEG was interpreted as consistent with cerebral death. So that, that's what's written on his chart. So I asked the neurologist yeah, what is this? Dr. Paul Byrne: Death on, on Joseph's chart. Obviously D Joseph was not dead. And he said, well, just get another one. And we did in two days. It was unchanged from the previous one. So now I ask him, well, what do we do now? He said, well, in some places they turn off the ventilator. I said, well, I don't do that. I said, I treat babies. Dr. Paul Byrne: Some live, some die. I continue to treat Joseph. He did get off the ventilator. Later when he went to school, he got good grades. He ran track, he played [00:06:00] baseball. Eventually he married, but because of Joseph. I, I began to investigate this matter of brain death. Now, I have to tell you that I didn't start immediately, but by the time Joseph got to be a few months old and at home and e even though his EEGs were always so so terrible, I had a hard time even looking at them because they they were so abnormal, but he was doing okay. Dr. Paul Byrne: So, so we continued to treat him, but then it was a matter of what is this thing about brain death? And I think that those In the medical field, or at least the objective medical field that had been paying attention to what's gone going on with Covid. It was in some ways a similar kind of thing as to what would, how it happened [00:07:00] with brain death. Dr. Paul Byrne: The, the same as Covid came along, and then there were a lot of people saying we should do things. Well, what happened in brain death is that the, they did a heart transplant in South Africa. Dr. Christian Bernard did a heart transplant December the first, 1967. And there was a lot of notoriety throughout the world. Dr. Paul Byrne: Heart transplant done successfully. Well, how about the second heart transplant? It was done three days later in Brooklyn, New York. And what they did is they cut the beating heart out of a three day old baby who had a problem with his brain and transplanted it into an 18 day old baby who had a problem with his heart. Dr. Paul Byrne: And at the end of those procedures, both babies were dead and, and it was illegal. It was immoral. And so how did they solve the problem? They set up a, a [00:08:00] committee at Harvard. You know, they, they solved the problem with the committee. They, they didn't do, like, sometimes we would think that happens in medicine, that there's some investigation done on dogs or cats or rats or whatever. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then information gathered on a few number of patients. What they did is they set up a committee and the committee invented brain death. They titled the article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, a definition of irreversible, irreversible coma. We can't. But when you're in coma, you're not dead. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and yet that's, that's how it started. And then they said, well why did they have to have this? And they said, well, if they don't have it, they won't be able to get organs for transplantation. And, and they wrote that in there. They also said that they if you continue to treat patients, the intensive [00:09:00] care units will get crowded. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and of course I can tell you, I know something about intensive care units getting crowded in the sense that when I started at Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital, I had an eight, eight bed unit. And by the time I left there, about 20 years later, we had a 55 bed unit. So that when we got more patients to take care of, we found more ways to take care of them when we get. Dr. Paul Byrne: Got the first ventilator functioning. We then had to get the second one also, and we did like that and worked that way. But what that, that the Harvard Committee said they had to have this so especially to get organs for transplantation. Well, if you look at that article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, 1968, they didn't do any studies on dogs or cats [00:10:00] or rats. Dr. Paul Byrne: They didn't collect any patient data. They have only one reference to it. And that reference was to an allocution by Pope Pius Iih. And they quoted only one part of Pope Pi Pius Iih. But they ignored the the paragraph that said that that pop said We are to pr presume that human life continues as long as vital functions are present, even when supported by artificial means. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and so that was the only reference. But then they went on and, and started to use this thing for brain death to get organs. And that was in 68. And the next significant article that was published was in 1971, and it became known as the Minnesota Criteria. And, and if you look at that article and you, you look at it, it says a study of 25 patients, and [00:11:00] then you go r read it, and they did e, e, g on only nine. Dr. Paul Byrne: Nine of the 25. So it really wasn't a study on 25. It was a study on nine. And then if you look at that, two of the nine still had e EEG activity. And then the conclusion of the article was no longer is it required to do brainwave testing before you make a declaration of brain death. Then with, with that E U G was essentially stricken it. Dr. Paul Byrne: It still gets done a lot of times. But there the requirement of it certainly is not there in the Minnesota criteria, and it really wasn't there in the Harvard criteria either. And so many people think that brain death means flat brainwaves when in fact they aren't even required to do brainwave testing. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so, so you see up until now, we, we don't have basic science studies. We, we, we don't ha have studies on [00:12:00] patients that would be acceptable for a, any other kind of scientific advancement. So then the largest study that's in the literature was was done and it was a report on 500 patients. And of those five, 500, the first thing is that 44 of them did not die. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then those who did, did die they did autopsy on the brain in about half of them, 225 and 10% had no pathology in the brain. Now. And so that's the science behind brain death. There is no science that's, that would be acceptable, but you see what, what it is while they're, they're and we heard a lot of in the covid thing about data and science and all that stuff in some ways when I would hear those things, I knew what happened in brain death. Dr. Paul Byrne: And it was very [00:13:00] similar that, that they, they claim science, but it really wasn't science. I'm not even sure it was pseudoscience in brain death. And they ju just invented it to get organs for for transplantation. And then when you talk about, you know, get getting organs for transplantation, and incidentally, there's really no science that in brain death that's of significance except what I've just told you. Dr. Paul Byrne: But when, you know, talk about organs for transplantation they have to be healthy organs and people know what a cadaver is. And you don't have to be a super genius to know you probably aren't going to get much for transplantation from a cadaver from a dead body. And what happens in. Dr. Paul Byrne: In the life of all of us, we we get that first driver's license and then we continue to [00:14:00] get the driver's license re, re renewed. And they asked the question, do you want to be an organ donor? And when I gave, gave a talk a few years a few weeks ago one of the young men 15 years old says, well in driver's ed, I had somebody come in and tell us the, the, the advance, the the the use of organ transplants and the benefits of organ transplants. Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, they didn't tell anybody that they didn't tell them. And when people ask that question, they're not given any information about organ transplantation. But every organ that's translated. Is a healthy organ. And where do you get healthy organs? You get them from living persons. And, and and so when people say yes to being an organ donor, they have no idea. Dr. Paul Byrne: They they, they have some idea that says, well, if I'm dead, so what, take my organs, that [00:15:00] kind of thing. And those kind of thoughts are there, but then it is important and it's essential that they learn what this is all about. And every time a heart transplant is done the the procedure begins, the chest is is open. Dr. Paul Byrne: Not unlike every kind of heart heart operation that they do, but the chest is wide open. They do what's necessary to identify the blood vessels and to get them prepared to put them in some someone else. And then the transplant surgeon stops the beating heart. The transplant surgeon then cuts out that heart was just beating and puts it into someone else. Dr. Paul Byrne: There's no way you can get a heart for transplant unless this is what happens to the donor. The donor has has to be killed. It has to be murder cuz it's not legal and yet it's accepted [00:16:00] to be done and so certainly unpaired vital organs like the heart or the whole liver. There's no way to get those organs unless they get them from a living person. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and when you get into organ transplants, they do talk about living donors, but they don't do them quite so much as they used to where they take. A a kidney one of two kidneys, or they take a part of the liver and transplanted o ob obviously any of us that know anything about the operations on the abdomen and the liver and what, how what it's like, know that it's not a, a simple procedure to to get that liver out and then transplant part of it to someone else. Dr. Paul Byrne: But all, all of these things have to do with organ transplantation and they, the people have to know that there's essentially [00:17:00] no way that you can get an organ for transplantation from a cadaver. And the large maj majority of organs for transplantation come after the declaration of brain death. Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, what's the decoration of brain death all about? Well, it's it's basically amounts to looking at three parts of the brain that is, whether the person doesn't respond is one of the ways and no response. They say it means coma, but. That's really not me. What it means, it means no response. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then they call it unconscious, but it's not necessarily a lack of consciousness. It's a lack of response. And then they do they look at brainstem reflexes and they brainstem reflexes that they look out. Lookout are primarily those that have to do with the eye, the ear, the cough, [00:18:00] the gag. Dr. Paul Byrne: So they, the, they shine a light light in the eye to see if the pupil responds. They check for a blink. They put ice water in the ear to see if there's movement of the eye, and then check for cough or dag so that they. Evaluate five or six of the 14 brainstem reflexes. And then the the third part of declaration of brain death ha has to do with what is called an apnea test, but it's not. Dr. Paul Byrne: Simply a test. It's a procedure, a test. You know, if if we're gonna get a blood test, we go in and some somebody they put a tonic on her arm and take the blood for test. If we're gonna get a chest x-ray, we go to a place where they do chest x-rays. We we put our shoulders up. They say, take a deep breath and hold it. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then they make the image. So it's, it's all [00:19:00] done in a very simple way. But that's not what happens in the in the apnea test. It's a procedure where they take a patient who is on a ventilator, their life is being supported by a ventilator and. They, they do things like make sure about that. Dr. Paul Byrne: They get high amounts of oxygen. They do blood gases. They take away the ventilator. They make observations on the patient and, and and they take away the ventilator for 10 minutes. The patient's on the ventilator getting a breath every five seconds, seconds or so, 20 times a minute, and they take it away. Dr. Paul Byrne: They take it away and, and then wa watch the patient and they sometimes the their blood pressure will go down. Sometimes their the, the heart will even stop. And they the apnea test [00:20:00] is a test where even if they, they, they do things like give extra oxygen. What happens in the apnea test? Dr. Paul Byrne: They, they. Accumulate carbon dioxide. So the carbon dioxide goes up. It doesn't go up in a little bit. Normally healthy people, they keep their carbon dioxide pretty much be, be between 25 and 45 at the very most. That kind of thing, the extremes of it. I, I, I should say 35 to 45, you know plus or minus five from 40. Dr. Paul Byrne: What do they do in the procedure of the apnea test? They make, they, the carbon dioxide go to 60. Go to 60 and, and they, they and e everybody who knows much about intracranial pressure knows that if you hyperventilate, you give extra breasts, the carbon, the [00:21:00] intracranial pressure goes down. When the carbon dioxide increases, who would think that the intracranial pressure would do anything except go up? Dr. Paul Byrne: And if you're already in Al Al already dealing with a patient that has something wrong with the brain, the question is, will that stimulus have the same effect as it would be if somebody was healthy? And, and then why would they want to do this? And the current patient then that, that, that I'm helping and is, is, is a a, a young man who overdosed on alcohol and was treated in an emergency room well with a ventilator for 24 hours, and then was sent home. Dr. Paul Byrne: Whoever heard of doing such a thing sent, sent him home after getting off the ventilator in, in 24 hours. And what do you think happened at home In about another 24 hours, he quit breathing again. So then he, [00:22:00] he gets in the system and, and you have, have to know that his organs are worth between one and $5 million to the transplant industry. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and and of course they have designated requesters who get get the permission to to take the organs and and, and and so all of that falls into place and they said, well, they never asked for organs and until they do that procedure of the apnea test or the evaluation for. Dr. Paul Byrne: Brain death, but everybody on the team knows what all of that's all about, no matter what anybody is saying to the relatives or not saying to to the relatives. And so what happened with this with, with this boy, is they, they did their evaluation for for brain death. And it include, [00:23:00] put ice water in the air. Dr. Paul Byrne: Incidentally I'm a, a swimmer, so get water in my ear every now and then. And when it goes in there, even ordinary swimming pool water feels very cold under those circumstances. So you can just about imagine what putting ice water in the areas. Well, what happened was this boy had some movement of his eye. Dr. Paul Byrne: One of the doctors saw a nystagmus, and, and so when do I get involved? When they want to do another test for evaluating brain brain function when in fact he, he was just critically ill and, and he needs to get treated. He doesn't need another test. And so what does the Academy of Neurology say? Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, if you get a, any kind of response, it's okay to do another one. And so the, the, the test gets repeated until eventually they don't get a response, and then they [00:24:00] can declare somebody brain dead. Everybody who's declared brain dead is a living person. Brain death has nothing to do with, with death. In fact, the matter is it's brainwashing. Dr. Paul Byrne: You give somebody two nouns like brain and like death, and the mind goes toward the more serious, the more critical kind of thing. And so brain, brain death is is brainwashing. Everybody who's called Brain Dead has a. Beating heart circulation re respiration. They digest food. They put out urine. Dr. Paul Byrne: And actually a study at Johns Hopkins University in 10 patients with the declaration of Brain death in all 10 of them when they cut them to take take their heart for transplant and all 10 of them, the heart rate went up and the blood pressure went up. Now, would that happen in a cadaver? Dr. Paul Byrne: No way. And so these things are going on. [00:25:00] It's it's big business. The it, it's big business. And and, and 48 billion was billed in 2020 for organ transplants, of which $6 billion went to doctors. Do you have any thoughts or questions?[00:26:00] Dr. Paul Byrne: That, that's it, it is. And and all, all of those things that, that sorry about that. That all of those things that you and I have said are, are accurate and and the people need to know about him, but how do they find out about it? And then just speaking of your, your of, of your own self if, if you said [00:27:00] yes on your ever, that's, is on your record. Dr. Paul Byrne: You can go back and, and And get it taken off or not put it on the next time. But the studies have shown that unless you have a document of refusal, they can still find that out someplace and say, well, at one time he wanted to give organs. And obviously in, in the condition he's in those around him can speak for him. Dr. Paul Byrne: He's a a kind person, a generous person, and, and and, and so under these circumstances, because he already said he, he that kind of thing. And that's what, what what what goes on. And so incidentally, the laws that are involved here are the Uniform determination of Death Act in the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act, and the. Dr. Paul Byrne: Uniform Anatomical Gift Act spells out that, that if you don't want to be an organ donor, [00:28:00] you have to have a document of refusal. And there are very few places that give you a way to have a document of, of refusal. We do send out Cards when we're contacted at life guardian foundation.org we ha we have cards that, that people can sign. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and they're, they're very important because they, they sign them and they, they say, what's the first thing it says? It says, I wanna be treated and then I want everything done to protect and preserve my life. And don't do anything to hasen my death or shorten my life and don't do an apnea test. Dr. Paul Byrne: That apnea test that I told you about, it's an awful test. No one should ever have an apnea test and everybody needs to know, say, no, no, no to the apnea test. Everybody has to know that. And so, so, and, and no to organ transplantation. [00:29:00] Then the card also GI gives away that you can designate someone to speak for you and, and designate the first person to second person. Dr. Paul Byrne: But that is, is is so important, Sam, because e everybody who gets to the age of majority, which in most places is 18 before that they look to the parents for for permission to do things and not in like the young boy that I'm telling you told you about, they look to the parents, but then once they get to be 18, that's not what happens. Dr. Paul Byrne: So the patients that I deal with sometimes the mother will be in Texas. The young man, 19 years old gets in, in, involved in an accident in California, and by the time she gets there, they've already gone to court. To get someone to speak for that boy. And, and, and it, it's re really something [00:30:00] what happens in the legal system of, of this Miranda Lawson in Virginia, a two year old girl who choked on popcorn and, and she had six siblings, but in the court they would not allow her mother or her father noon because obviously there must be something wrong with the mother and father lets her two year old child choke on popcorn and one wouldn't let any of the brothers or sisters brothers or sister to to Desi be the guardian to designate to speak for her. Dr. Paul Byrne: So what did the court do? The court appointed and. An attorney, you, a 30 year old nice lady. But in, in the courtroom, the judge would look for her about making making decisions for man Miranda, not her father who was there and not her brothers or sister who was there. And when that happens you it, it's, it's just shuttering to see [00:31:00] what the system is. Dr. Paul Byrne: So you have to learn about the system. We've learned a lot about the the system with Covid and we, we keep learning it. Because, and. And they basically showed that they can control us by making us all stay in our house for a, a period of time. But also they, they did things like, like hasten the production of that in injection and did not do studies to safeguard the used use of it and then mandated that some places they had to get that. Dr. Paul Byrne: I mean I, I go to the For cardiac rehab, they wouldn't let me go in for cardiac rehab during that time. And then and so I get taken off the list and eventually when they start to lift things, they say, well, you don't qualify anymore. And cuz they have another rule. And then eventually I get back in [00:32:00] and, and and you have to wear a mask to go in. Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, it isn't too long that you look around in the. People on the exercise machine don't have the mask on. The nurse will have it on in such a way that it's her nose is exposed that kind of thing. And then you go in one day and says You don't need a mask anymore. And that goes on for a month or two months or whatever it is. Dr. Paul Byrne: You go in one day and now you need a mask again. And then when I, even now, even though we don't wear the mask anymore, I, I go past the water fountain and it has a big sign on it saying don't drink this for whatever way. And it all comes from Covid. They haven't taken the sign down yet, you know, and that's in the, and of course the medi medical system. Dr. Paul Byrne: We learned a lot about it from the covid, but I already know a lot about it because I've been following these things about [00:33:00] brain death and or organ transplants and for a, a number of years. And And the desires of human beings sometimes are the ones that that take effect. And then they, they do things like, like in 19 68, 19 70, when that was going on, where were the doctors? Dr. Paul Byrne: And of course, I can ask that same question because I was a doctor at that time. But what was I doing? I was trying to find better ways to take care of babies. And, and I trusted the neurologist. I thought the neurologist would be good doctors and would, but and then when I started to study in 1975, I found out the neurologist and the doctors who were involved, and they all weren't neurologists, but the doctors who were n. Dr. Paul Byrne: In involved didn't do their job. And it wasn't just a neurologist who didn't do their job, [00:34:00] the theologian didn't do their job, and the neurologist and theologians still don't do their job. And, and and you know, cuz their, the first thing that they should be doing is protecting and preserving the life of the person. Dr. Paul Byrne: And the theologian is the same way, should be tuned into protecting and preserving the life of that person. But, Where, where are they? Yes, there are some of us that are doing our best, but but we are not chairman of departments. We're not governors, we're not presidents. We're not senators. And, and and, and then they, while they did the thing with with with the medical world and in, in brain death, they took over the medical world by getting doctors to accept that someone was dead while their heart was beating and they had circulation respiration [00:35:00] digest food, put out urine. Dr. Paul Byrne: Somebody's they were dead. It was dumb. It was stupid. And what did the doctors do? They accepted it. And what do they do now? They still accept it. They, they accept it. And so the doctors are there. Where, where are the doctors? Where are the theologians? And then what happens? The law gets involved. And then what happens? Dr. Paul Byrne: The legislators get involved. And, and, and these things con continue. A a, a patient in Nevada, Aiden Hallu a 20 year old girl who developed abdominal pain, goes to the emergency room and they decide that she might have appendicitis. So they do exploratory laparotomy. They don't find appendicitis, they don't find anything. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and she never woke up. She never woke up. Was nothing wrong with her. She never woke [00:36:00] up. Her father was clever enough that when he got on on the scene, he immediately went to court and got to be the guardian. If, if he hadn't done that who knows what would happen, but he did it. So he was the guardian. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then they and Mark on the the declaration of brain death. And, and what happened? They did e e g recording three times on her and every time she had e e g activity. But then, They decide, decided that that wasn't relevant and they could declare her brain dead anyway. And, and, and so, so yes, we get involved and yes, it does get appealed to the Supreme Court in Nevada. Dr. Paul Byrne: And yes, it was a seven to nothing unanimous Supreme Court ruling that they couldn't be convinced that it was the Academy of Neurology guidelines versus the[00:37:00] Harvard criteria or some other thing. They sent it back to the lower court. Well, Before the lower court could get involved again, Aiden, Hulu did die. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and and so then what happened in Nevada, the legislators got involved and made it. So the things that were in, in question with Aiden Hulu won't happen again. They made it so you don't have to ask the relatives to get permission to do that apnea test. They, they made it so that the only criteria are the Academy of Neurology guidelines, which to point out some of them, they don't require that you do test for hypothalamus. Dr. Paul Byrne: They they say if there is this thing called some reaction, you just can do it again. And they, they don't tell you that. They, they just say it can be repeated. And so and then in Nevada, they put into the law that if any of the relatives [00:38:00] bring up questions about this, the, the relatives may be responsible for all medical and legal financial. Dr. Paul Byrne: Consequences of that. And so they made it. So the system is that you, you cannot speak up. And, and there's an attempt to get these kinds of things for all states. They, the u Uniform Law Commission in Chicago has been looking at these the, these things that have happened in the court and they want to revise the Uniform Determination of Death Act. Dr. Paul Byrne: The uniform determination of death ought not be revised. It should be repealed, and it should be replaced with a law that will protect and preserve the life of the person. So what do they want to want to do with the law? The first thing about the Brain death law, it, it now the Uniform Determination of Death Act, it says, [00:39:00] Irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem. Dr. Paul Byrne: So what do they wanna make that from? They just wanna make it, that it, it's a coma, not those brainstem reflexes. And, and that Apnea test and that's all. And, but you see the, the, the people think that it is the current law cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem, when in fact it's not. Dr. Paul Byrne: That's how we were able to do something with the cases with Aidan Ou and Israel Stinson and Aria Cha Gabardi and, and point out, while the law says cessation of all functions of the entire brain, they don't evaluate mu much less anything whether they know that all functions. So pointing that out. Dr. Paul Byrne: So now what do they want to do? They wanna revise the law so that the only functions that are relevant [00:40:00] are those three that I just told you about. And then what's in the law now is it says irreversible cessation and they want to change irreversible to. Permanent and what permanent means that, that they don't do anything to change it. Dr. Paul Byrne: If somebody stops breathing or their heart stops, they deliberately do not resuscitate. And that, that's what permanent means versus irreversible. Irreversible is a misleading word in itself because you really only know irreversible in relation to the rev reverse, the reversible, the, when it is reversible, it's that kind of thing. Dr. Paul Byrne: It's not empiric, you know US doctors, we can observe an absence of function. We can observe des de destruction, but we cannot observe irreversibility we can learn some things about it. [00:41:00] But you see, it's, it's, again, brainwashing because the way it works is what, when somebody is dead, when death has occurred, the brain doesn't, the brain is destroyed and. Dr. Paul Byrne: And lots of things are destroyed and they don't function and they won't ever function again. But if you go the other way and observe only the absence of function, the absence of the response of pupil in the eye are whatever tests that you do, you observe. Only that they don't even know if the brain is destroyed, much less that the person is dead. Dr. Paul Byrne: So they, they, these kinds of things are already deficiencies in the law. And incidentally, we have written about those. We have an article in a journal of the American Medical Association. We we have an article in the Gonzaga Law Review that's 85 pages, has 244 footnotes and references to it. So we. Dr. Paul Byrne: We, we [00:42:00] have done all that. And who knows who pays attention to us? And it, it, it's important, but for right now, it's important that you and I talk to each other and the listeners out there must learn that brain death is not death. Brain death means you're alive. And, and what can you do about it? The first thing you have to do is protect yourself and, and and say no to the apnea. Dr. Paul Byrne: Test. Protect yourself and get a document of refusal and know that at the license Bureau you, you Yeah, you, you say no to that and then you not need to know how they're changing the law and making it worse making it even less strict. Is there something as, is there a law that would protect the life of the person? Dr. Paul Byrne: And I would say yes. We have a model's statute. The, [00:43:00] the first thing is this, the, the statute is written in the negative. It, it says, no one shall be declared dead unless there is destruction of the circulatory and respiratory systems and the entire brain. And actually, I really think instead of entire brain, it should be nervous system. Dr. Paul Byrne: Now, why system that. The basic unit of biology is the cell and groups of cells make up tissues and groups of cells and tissues make up organs and and groups of organs and tissues put together to carry out function. Those are called systems. There are three vital systems. The circulatory system, the respiratory system, and the brain and all, all of them are necessary. Dr. Paul Byrne: We can substitute for one or the other, but when you put the law to protect the person, you put it in the negative and say, no one shall be declared [00:44:00] dead unless there's destruction of the circulatory and respiratory systems and the entire brain that will protect. The life of the person. And if, if you, if we go back to protecting the life of the person, which is what it was when I learned medicine. Dr. Paul Byrne: And it is it, it is in lots of places in the world but in the laws in the United States, in the medical system that life is not being protected and it's not being protected for who knows what reason. But I can tell you that it's a big. Business. The organ transplant business is a big business. Dr. Paul Byrne: 48 billion was billed in 2020, of which 6 billion went to doctors and doctors or such. You know, you know, they do things in this organ taking things. They said, well, the doctor who's treating [00:45:00] can't, can't have anything to do with organ transplantation. How stupid that is. Does somebody think that doctors, who are the treating doctors as opposed to the doctors who take organs, that they don't have coffee together? Dr. Paul Byrne: That they don't play golf together? I mean, what, what is this that they've put things in to I suppose to think that you can fool the people. But the fact of the matter is there's a lot of people that, that can understand the difference between life and death. And you can take a seven year old and take them into an intensive care unit where somebody's on a ventilator, they have normal color of their skin, and they can see on the aScope above the he head, I guess they don't call it a psdo scope anymore, but on the scope, scope above their head you can see beep, beep, beep. Dr. Paul Byrne: The nurse comes in and takes blood pressure. They can look at the the, the urine collecting in the bag [00:46:00] and, and ask them, is that alive or dead? And any seven year old can tell the difference. And yet we live in a system where they play, pretend, and they're willing to play, pretend so they can get what's immediate like organs for transplant. Dr. Paul Byrne: I really think if they hadn't gone this route of getting of, of taking organs from people who weren't dead, an artificial heart would have been invented already. It would've been invented. It's been, there's been some that ha have been used for short periods of time, but there's the, the need for an artificial heart isn't there when you can get a heart from somebody who's not dead. Dr. Paul Byrne: And there are some things that are interesting Sam, about those that heart or the liver or whatever it is the it's identified. Each one of us has [00:47:00] d n A and our dna N is specific and it identifies every cell of our body. It identifies every organ of our body. And incidentally, that d n a that we used to, I identi that to ha have that kind of a biochemical I identity of ourself that's there in the first cell. Dr. Paul Byrne: Already at conception that that that person can be identified. And then at conception, nothing is a added. They, the, there's cell division, there's now growth and development. All that happens without e, you know, even before implantation. So it's built in already there at conception in the first cell. Dr. Paul Byrne: And that d n a that's there at ud, an unrepeatable in each and every one of us that's in the [00:48:00] heart, that's taken for transplantation. And when that heart is taken for transplantation and that heart belongs to that person, if you would just put it in another person, it would be rejected because our, our bodies are ma made so that we reject organs from other people. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so there's much done to make for anti-rejection things and the recipients of the organs. And I'll get more to that, but I want to talk about the DNA n a of that heart, that that identifies the heart from the patient that they take it from. That never changes. And the recipient, it's still the d n a of the re of the one that they took it from in, in that heart. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so the identity is, is, is still there? They, they I, I, I lost one train of thought there [00:49:00] because I got off into this one. It's when, when you try to do too many things at one time it's not always good, especially for us men. I, I think women learned how to do more things at, at the same time than we we do. Dr. Paul Byrne: But in any event the, the, I go ahead. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You were gonna mention oh, is it the the de the rejection medications, Dr. Paul Byrne: Oh, yes. Oh, oh. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The re, re re rejection, you see our body is made to reject the organ from anybody else cannot do that, except God does it all the time. Dr. Paul Byrne: Every time a mother is pregnant, she does not reject her baby. The rejection medicine is the the rejection is interfered with in pregnancy. God stops it during pregnancy, and then as soon as the baby is [00:50:00] delivered, her mother's immune mechanisms were right back there. Now, many people I can identify how immune mechanisms are different during pregnancy and, and that ki kind of thing. Dr. Paul Byrne: So you have to be careful with the as careful as the lady who's pregnant to not get exposed to different things. And because the immune mechanisms are different and that gets interfered with incidentally, The, the, the, there's a early pregnancy factor that can be identified already when there's just two cells to and so that anti that interference with the rejection is probably there right away. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and studies have been done in human beings and, and to identify an early pregnancy factor to identify that the that, that the mother's pregnant, that there's a baby there, al already ear early [00:51:00] on even before implantation. So, and and, and some of those things. There, there are some other things that are in, in interesting that get involved, that, that come out of the transplant industry. Dr. Paul Byrne: One of the things is, is that when a mother is pregnant, some of the baby's cells get into the mother, and that, that, that's called chimerism in that. Ca came out of the transplant industry because they would make a slice of the liver of a of a, a, a woman who had carried a boy baby. And periodically you could see male cells. Dr. Paul Byrne: And the male cells have been found in multiple places in the body. Nobody knows what they do. Female cells are also identified, but the they are, are not so easily distinguished as they are a male cell [00:52:00] in, in terms of the the mother's female body kind of thing. But it comes out of that and, and, and more and more things come out of it in, in, in science. Dr. Paul Byrne: What what we really do is verify what God has already done. That's what good science does. And, and yes doctors ha ha, ha have to be scientists, but we also have to have an art to medicine and we all, we need to identify with the specialness of the gifts of a physician. That, that we get intelligence and we and, and we study and, and then we have the privilege of helping somebody who is, is sick and, and we, we aren't simply scientists, but where the science is used, it has to be good science. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, [00:53:00] and and, and many times the science in medicine is wanting to, to basically start with, because each person is unique and unrepeatable. We're not like gun rats where they all look exactly alike and you can do tests on them. Each person is different. So, so the scientific setup is not, not good. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then when you bypass whatever it is that we try to do to protect the person, like they did with, with the the covid injection, it's it's just shameful how whatever science there is in medicine may they get around it to to make happen what they want to make happen. And, and, and what did I get today? Dr. Paul Byrne: And and article about Gardasil, Gardasil and the Covid vaccine and how it's altering the essentially the immune mechanisms in other parts of, [00:54:00] of cellular makeup. And, and and, and you know, the gardas is. Been been around for a while now, and they, they it, it, it's an immunization against against human papillomavirus, and it's just shameful. Dr. Paul Byrne: And they give it to, to all the young people, and they don't teach them. You know it, it, you know, sexual activity is between a man and a woman, and ideally after they're married. And if it's just between one man and one woman, there's no disease, none. You don't need an an immunization. You just need to know what the truth is and then live according to that. Dr. Paul Byrne: Now, I don't wanna sound like a goody good cuz not that but, but I do want to say that we have an obligation to under, to find the truth and stand for it and educate the other [00:55:00] people and. And we can't get along with things so easily as the ordinary person. So in any, in any event brain death is not death. Dr. Paul Byrne: There is a difference between life and death. In during life. There's living substance, and the living substance is a unity of the physical and spiritual. And the event at the end of life is called death. And then, which have left after that are the dead remains. The remains without the life, the remains without. Dr. Paul Byrne: The soul and that remains, gets manifest as destruction, disintegration, corruption, but it's cl clearly different. And, and when somebody is, is ha having circulation and respiration and digesting food to say their dead is stupid. [00:56:00] And so, so, and. How they did it, I'm not sure. It doesn't make any sense to me. Dr. Paul Byrne: I was a doctor in 68. I didn't start until 75 to get interested, and then it took me about two years to understand the language such that I could at least de discuss it. And so I, I wouldn't try to imply that everything is is so easy, but the problem that we have is that, that the big money. Is in organ transplants and people see somebody who has received a heart or a kidney or a liver or whatever it is, and they're doing well, so they think everything is okay. Dr. Paul Byrne: They don't realize that, that when someone gets an organ for transplantation, they exchange one set of problems for another set of, of problems when, when [00:57:00] in fact, like if you just take kidney transplant and I don't want to take anything against say anything against what, how sick somebody is or what they need. Dr. Paul Byrne: But one of my friends who got sick and got dialysis and he went, went there and had another man ask him, were you new here? And, and anyway, the man said he had been. On dialysis for 35 years. Another one said for 40 years. So it, it, it isn't that, that there aren't things that can be done. And if you go the moral way, at least in my own experience, by doing what I've done in the development of neo neonatology and ways to to treat infants. Dr. Paul Byrne: If you go the moral way, you make. Progress much faster than if you go the immoral way. And so I, I would encourage that, that people learn the truth and know the truth, stand for the truth, [00:58:00] and, and they, they model statute that I told you about, that's what the, the Uniformed Law Commission should do. Dr. Paul Byrne: They should reject the Uniform determination of Death Act and they should get the model statute that says no one shall be declared dead unless there is destruction of the circulatory and respiratory systems and the entire brain. And that's the direction we should go in. Sam, do you have any comments, questions? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I'm just standing here in shock from still from when you gave the, the story of Joseph, and that was in 1975. So he potentially has grandchildren now. That would not be here his whole entire lineage. You know, I would not be here if you, let's say if he would've been entered into that heart study and his heart would've take been taken out and given to some other little boy. Dr. Paul Byrne: Absolutely. And and, and and [00:59:00] so, so it's that, that kind of thing. And we can look back on things and put them together as you've just done there. But really we have to make decisions in terms of what we have today. And, and yes, we do know a lot more about life and we do know a lot more about supporting life and, and. Dr. Paul Byrne: And and so to say that when somebody can't defend themselves, it's all right to call them dead while they still have a beating heart circulation. That's wrong. And we have serious things going on in our society. And, and so all of us have to pray a lot, do the very best we can in terms of our own our own lives, our own family, our own friends, our own neighbors, our own people who listen to this program.[01:00:00] Dr. Paul Byrne: They, they need to know that brain death is not death. Brain death is a lie. It's a lie to get. Organs for transplantation. And of course they'll say, oh, no, no, it's not for that at all. It's, it's because of whatever they'll come up with. The, the, the main reason that they declare brain death is to get organs for transplantation. Dr. Paul Byrne: And I don't mean to sound unconcerned about somebody who's very sick with a failing liver or failing heart or whatever it is. I'm concerned about them too. But I want to have a way to develop treatments that protect and preserve life and don't take advantage of the unresponsive person on a ventilator. Dr. Paul Byrne: How shameful this 15 year old boy I'm telling you about how shameful to be to be trying to declare him dead when in fact, They should be doing everything they can to help him and the [01:01:00] doctors know what to do. But you see, the driving force is to get organs so they, they quickly stop doing what they know to do so they can get organs for transplantation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What we've seen in, in our history of this country is that they're after dis their, our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and principalities of darkness in the unseen realm, and that they're trying to destroy our future by, with abortion, they, they've been trying to destroy the current future that the children who are alive now with this transgender movement, they've been destroying the, the elder population with this covid movement and now this, this battle of, of killing people and taking their organs and giving them people that, that need them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This has been going on for such a long time and I had no idea that this was going on. And I want to thank you so much for bringing this to light cuz this is so supremely important for, for the layperson to understand, like, don't ever do an apnea test that would kill anybody, that would cause significant issues for anybody. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you were in that [01:02:00] situation, if you were paralyzed, unable to breathe in, they'd just turn your vent off. I mean, it just, that's what it is. They're just turning your vent off like you're injured. We as the medical community are supposed to be here to help. Preserve life, but yet we're keep taking it time and time again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And every time we go deeper into this little rabbit hole of protecting life, it seems like we're not doing that. We're doing the exact opposite. Dr. Paul Byrne: Incidentally, brain death is not about stopping a ventilator. It's about continuing it until it's more convenient to get the to get the recipient of the organ recipient lined up. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so they declare them dead, but then they keep, keep them on the ventilator until they can get everything lined up so that they can when they do take the organs, they can get them into somebody else quickly. So it's about, you know about continuing a ventilator, not stopping it.[01:03:00] Dr. Paul Byrne: Yeah. Okay. Now the other thing, Sam, I. I hope that, I hope this helps you in in, in I, I surely hope that it doesn't cause you any grief. And if I can do anything to help other people or who knows, maybe you and I might talk again sometime. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. Thank you so much for coming on. I truly appreciate it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for your time, Dr. Paul Byrne: Sam. Happy to know you. I'll send you that article. Thank you. I think I have your email address. I, I, I know I do. I I will send you that article that I just got today. I think it could be important for you. I didn't want to send it before the, our interview cuz I didn't want to make it look too much that it was the article I did mention the Gardasil, but I'll send you that. Dr. Paul Byrne: Thank you. I get off here. All right. 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Developed a tunnel find back in 2009, and when they found out that we might have access to Raytheon bringing their Lidar system into Egypt, they went nuts. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The real search in Egypt, their real hunt is for the Atlantian Hall of records. Because the Egyptian pyramids were not built by ancient Egyptians, they were built by fleeing atlantians. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, for he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not [00:01:00] represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or unapproved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time. Of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, well thank you for joining us again today. I first wanna give a shout out and a thank you to all my Patreon supporters. We've got Shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at the $20 and 20 cents. We've got the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna, and she was a guest previously Frank and a new one of Brian. Thank you Brian. Kevin. Alans at the Self-Made $10 level. We have the refined Not Burn, $5 level with Linda Emmy, Joe Pat, and Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer. And we have the courage is contagious with Amanda, Jay SPTs, nasty Darrel, Suzanne PV King, who was a guest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And Rick, thank you so much for all your support, for your monetary support, for all your prayers, you know we're still fighting the Secretary of Defense [00:02:00] vehemently. And you know, the, this, my legal fees are now I north of $70,000. And so this is getting to be quite a burden. So if you are able to donate it all, go to my gifts and go greatly appreciate it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you're able to pray, please give us all the prayers that you can. My next guest today, I'm very honored to introduce Dr. Tom Lawson. He's a PhD in clinical psychology, psychiatry. And look, he's done quite a few things in his life. He's been an air traffic controller, but he's got a special personal interest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And sir, if you'd like to, to explain some of that, Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: well let me see if I can offer an overview. I have I went back late in life for a PhD. Because I'm interested in human consciousness and ever since I was 20 years old, I was in the Air Force for four years active duty. And I went to the University of Berlin when I was about 20 years old and I saw a statue of Nefertiti and it just blew something. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Just drew me to Egypt. [00:03:00] And then I began researching because I, when I was in col I was an undergraduate, I was in college and I learned hypnosis and accidentally hypnosis. And a friend of mine wanted me to hypnotize and I hypnotize him without knowing anything about it. Zero training. And can you even take this for what it's worth? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I'm not asking you to believe it. He started talking about a lifetime before in France and he spoke perfect idiomatic French. Perfect. And we were in France at every Air Force base. I was raised Roman Catholic. I didn't have a clue. I thought you were a frog in a previous life. I hyt 109 other people, 108 told me they lived before. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I said, wait a minute. Everything I've ever learned is incomplete. Then I started doing research in other areas and yeah, I became an air traffic controller for the F faa. I was an air traffic controller in the airports and eventually I became [00:04:00] a reserve into Losser in the Navy. And I was in a Navy for 24 years. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I retired in nine in 2006 when I turned 60. I'm 77 now. But to, I became very involved surreptitiously with a group of people that are the ultimate insiders on the great pyramid in the sinks. And if you'd like me to talk about that or you want me to give an overview, most people have no clue. Like I didn't. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: They just think that the pyramid, there's 8 million people a year at least go to the pyramids, and most people think they're tombs. There's 138 pyramids, nine major pyramids. There has never been a body, a tomb, a pharaoh, a mummy, anybody ever found in any pyramid. But the official line is that the pyramids were built as tombs. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: [00:05:00] Well, what conventional Egyptologists will never tell you is that there are 62 royal tombs located in the Valley of Kings, about 500 miles south of the Giza Plateau of Cairo. The Giza Plateau is the three pyramids in the swings. It sits out on a scarp just west of Cairo. And the Nile River 10,000 years ago used to be there. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So in my own research and my reading over many, many, many years, what I discovered was that there are anomalies that the conventional exoteric means open the standard line. And you know, as an intel officer, you're taught disinformation and propaganda. And I also learned that doing therapy as a clinical psychologist is that people will tell [00:06:00] you what they need to tell you even though they don't believe it. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And I, to give you an example of it, one time I was doing some marital therapy with a couple and she was very overbearing and I said to him that a husband. Do you feel your wife is overbearing? And he says, no. So that gives you the body language. He shakes, he nods his head and says, no. Well, if you don't think that doesn't work in politics. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I lived in Washington, DC for eight years and I found Terry Truman was telling the truth when he said, if you want a friend in DC, get a dog. So if I may, let me go back to the pyramids. Most people, when they've taken the Egypt, they're taken by standard, conventional tour guides and they say, here it is. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Here's where [00:07:00] CFU was buried. Here's where Karey was buried. Here's what, where Manura was buried. The problem is they weren't buried there. Nobody was buried there. So the question then arises why were they built? And I suggest to you, And I, I, we won't have time to go into it today if you'd like to have me back on and I can do my presentation, which I've given to various groups. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: It's a bunch of slides, but a picture's worth a thousand words. And as an intel officer and also as an f FAA or traffic controller, I had access to a possible Raytheon's litter, laser, infrared detection and ranging system that was brand new. Developed a tunnel find back in 2009. And I contacted certain people and when they found out that we might have access to Raytheon bringing their LIDAR [00:08:00] system into Egypt, They went nuts. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So I was coordinating with the Dr. Michael Johnson of Raytheon to try to get them in there because the real search in Egypt of the insiders, and I'll describe the two major insiders. The, the two most notable Egyptologists of the last hundred years since 1933 is Dr. Mark Lerner and Dr. Zahi, both of them, one of them publicly. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Mark Lerner has publicly stated and written a book on it before he discovered his reputation was be destroyed if he kept onto this position. But Dr. Zahi secretly, and I have the emails to prove it, the real hunt is for the Atlantian Hall of records because. The Egyptian pyramids [00:09:00] were not built by ancient Egyptians. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: They were built by fleeing atlantians. Now you say that's crazy. Where's the evidence for that? Let me offer you some evidence. There are multiple maps and the ancient world, and I'll mention a couple of them. One of the maps is by a Turkish admiral drawn in 1513 ab. His name was Piri, which means Admiral PII Reese. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He was beheaded in 1549. He was a young guy. He drew a map of the western part of South America and of the northwest part of Antarctica with no ice. So there's a guy named Professor Charles Hapgood. Who wrote a book in 1953, I think, called The Path [00:10:00] of the Polls, and the guy who wrote the introduction to that book was none other than Albert Einstein. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And the theme of the book was there have been three polar shifts in the last hundred thousand years with the last one being in 10,940 bc, give or take a cir, give or take a few years. There's another map called the Oran PHAs Map, published in 1533. That is all of Antarctica with no ice. Now here's what's interesting. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: When people like Dr. Mark Lerner and Dr. Zahi Watts, they claim that the Egyptians no atlantians, no aliens, nobody else built the pyramids. Well, The problem with that is professor Charles Hak of the University of King, New Hampshire, [00:11:00] he found this map when he was doing research and the Library of Congress that was a gift from the Turkish Naval Naval admiralty, and it, and he wrote notes on the side of it, and it says, this map I drew from ancient source maps, 20 of them, at least in the Turkish admiralty. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Well, what's interesting is this, there are lines of longitude on that map. The problem with this is in 1513 in order, and we lived on our catamaran, we were gonna sail around the world. Phil Navy called me back on active duty. But what happened was the lines of longitude demand a chronometer, and they demand five seconds a month in order to find lines of longitude. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Well, here's the problem. There were no kilometers till 1780 till William Harrison invented the chronometer. But [00:12:00] what's really interesting is this, they sent this map to the US Air Force's H strategic reconnaissance swing of B 52 base at Westover Air Force Base. And on July the eighth, 1960, there was a letter written by Colonel William Olden Byer, who was the olden Meer, who was the executive officer. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And he said, we have no idea how this map could have been made. All we can say we're intrigued by it an an article with no ice, and it couldn't have been drawn any earlier than 4,000 BC. Now, The Egyptologist claim, the pyramids were built in 26 50, between 3026 50, and on this map, the zero degree line of longitude ran [00:13:00] directly through the Great Pyramid. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, if you look at the Great Pyramid, it is an exact replica of the Northern Hemisphere of the Earth. And I mean, exact, the only thing more accurate than the Great Pyramids measurements is satellite imaging. And that didn't, that didn't happen until like the seventies or the eighties. But let me give you a little background on the Great Pyramid. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The Great Pyramid does not have four sides. It has eight sides. I won't go into all the reasons, but they're very technical. They're contained in a book like this. This is a great book. It's called Thought Architect of the Universe, and it has really good information on the Great pyramid. And I'll mention one other book that I highly recommend. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: [00:14:00] This was written by English linguist named Peter Laier called The Great Pyramid Decoded. So when we look at the Great Pyramids technical specs, if you take that pyramid, let's just say, here's my phone. Let's just say this is square. And you took a piece of string and you ran it all the way around the pyramid. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And then you stretch that piece of string out. It is exactly one 10000000th the distance around this equator of the earth. And then if you take the height, which is 481 feet, The great if you take a string and drop that from the missing capstone to the base of the pyramid, it is exactly one 10000000th of the distance from the North Pole to the center of the earth. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, furthermore, the great pyramid has some really, I mean, I can talk to you for hours on a great pyramid's [00:15:00] measurements, but let me give you a couple of them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When you said from from the center of the earth, do you mean to the core or do you mean from the North Pole to the equator? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Core to the core. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Okay. It has all kinds of other information in for example, the, the frequency of Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: the earth is called what's it called? It's not, it's a harmonic, the Shumin frequency, and I think the frequency is 2.83 hertz. Well, what's interesting is if you look at every major site, ancient site in the earth, Machu Picchu and the Andes to Great Pyramid, Easter Island, and also going to Indonesia, not koala lump, I can't remember where that ancient it's the ancient Ang Wat [00:16:00] all of them are on this harmonic. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So the ancients understood these harmonics that drive the earth. Let me, let me go back, if I may for a minute to the great pyramid itself. The great pyramid is 2,300,000 blocks. Some of the blocks in the great pyramid of the original casing stones are on the equivalent of. Glasses, opticians, glasses accurate to within a thousandth of an inch. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The, the, there was a, when the alma moon and the Mormon, the, the Muslims ripped off the casing stones of the great pyramid in order to build the mosques and buildings. In Cairo, there was a, a remnant, it's called a Tali slope. It's all the pieces that broke down and covered up about 15 or [00:17:00] 20 remaining casing stones. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: These are 51 degrees, 51 seconds. Very important mathematically, but I don't have time to go into that. However, what is interesting is when you look at these blocks together, there is virtually no cracks. They are perfectly sealed, and the mortar is stronger. Then the stone, the limestone, the turro limestone, which was mined east of there itself. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: These are perfectly formed blocks. Now let me offer you another piece, which I sent you a video about 20 years ago. I was at a friend of mine's house. He was a f fa air traffic controller also, and he had just built a house outside of Washington, DC and his daughter was in a a geo polymer engineering school at Drexel [00:18:00] University five year program. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Michael Barum. Tommy said his name was Tommy Van, and his daughter's name was Kelly. He says, Tom, I know you're interested in the great pyramid, but I gotta tell you this Kelly Senior advisor of Dr. Michael Barum wants her to do her fifth year senior thesis. On the blocks in the great pyramid, not being carved, but being cast synthetic. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I sent you an hour long presentation that he made to a Geopolymer conference, and he shows absolutely that you can't tell in the inner core, but many of the blocks were synthetic. Let's go higher in the pyramid, in the so-called kings chamber, and I've been in the Kings chamber. It has granite blocks and granite [00:19:00] lentils in the top. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: These are 50 to 70 tons. That means they're a hundred thousand to 140,000 pounds. They're 280 feet in here. How did they get there? They're cut extremely precisely. They are laser straight and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll share something else with you in a minute, but it's not about the pyramid. They are laser cut straight, 280 feet up. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Conventional Egyptologists will argue, well, they had a ramp. The problem is no ramp has ever been found and the ramp would've to be three times the length of the great pyramid. The new argument is, well, they had an internal ramp. This was a guy named Robert Houdin, who was a an architect from France. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, there may be an internal ramp, but [00:20:00] 70 ton blocks in a, in a ramp with slaves pulling it. It just didn't happen. So how was this place built? There is a record. In a Temple of Ed Fu that's 500 miles south of the great pyramid. On the walls of this temple are two and a half acres of hieroglyphics. The hieroglyphics state. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: We had papyrus that was so ancient, it was flaking away. And rather than let this record be lost, we are inscribing on the walls of the temple of Edfu, a record of what happened. Now, they didn't call this island Atlantis, they called it the island of the primal, ones of the shining ones. And he said [00:21:00] there was a tremendous war between good and evil, and their islands sank and they fled to Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And when they got to Egypt, By building these buildings, they tried to recreate their lost homeland unsuccessfully. So how did I get involved in the Great Pyramid? Well, let me tell you something else. Let me switch back. There's a, there's a pyramid called Sakara. It's about six or eight miles southwest of Giza, the Pyramid Field, for those who don't know where Giza is, it's right by Cairo and it's at the north end of Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And Egypt slopes down where the Nile River runs. So right before it enters the Mediterranean C is Giza and it's a fan shape Delta. And the pyramid perfectly [00:22:00] circumscribes that fan shape Delta. And while I, I was saying about the Nile River, let me mention something on Nile River, most people don't have a clue. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That denial River used to run across Africa and empty into the Atlantic Ocean. That is no longer the case. Certain researchers now feel based on evidence that that was geo engineered to change to, to flow due North. Why? Because there is a grand plan that all of Egypt was made on, and this grand plan had to do with the nature of humanity and of souls in the earth. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: There are in, in Egypt, logical law, in Egypt, logical [00:23:00] myths, so to speak. The two major player, the three major players actually in Egypt were oss. Isis, his kind of wife, like Adam and Eve and the brother of Osiris set who was extremely jealous of, of Osiris. So set in this cosmic play in this mythological play, he murdered his brother and cut his body into 15 pieces and spread them all around Egypt so they could never be found. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: But again, this is in Egypt logical myth. What happened is Isis, his concert wife's sister, went and found 14 of the 15 pieces. [00:24:00] She couldn't find his PHUs. The PHUs represents regeneration and rebirth. It is the male sign of impregnation. It's almost like the phoenix, the death and the regeneration. She couldn't find the fellas, so she fashioned a golden fellas, the most precious metal, and using Egyptian magic, she put him back together, kind of like Frankenstein, put the PHUs on him and impregnated herself and bore Horace. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: She still only found 14 pieces. Horas is the hawk headed God and all of Egyptian, the early Egyptian hieroglyphics [00:25:00] are spiritual representations of the process of moving back towards the divine. It is exactly the same process that the Jews brought out of Egypt under Moses, who some people argue was the only feral to ever abdicate the throne. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Ak AK was the world's first monotheist, and the process that was brought out is called Yo Kipur. For those of you who are familiar with Yom Kipur at a exoteric or a simplistic for the masses, meaning it means the day of atonement, it is the day when peop when the, the high priest would go into the whole, before the temple was destroyed, he [00:26:00] would go into the Holy of Holies and bring two goats. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: One would be sacrificed, one would be let go, one would have all the sins. They drive it away for three days and throw it off a cliff. In the, in the arc of the covenant, in the Holy of Holies, there's a mercy seat between two Cher that originally was used to talk to God. When the Jews lost the, in about 6 52 8 BC the arc of the covenant disappeared. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: If we have time, I'll share with you where I think it's coming back from, because all the indicators are, or great indicators are that it was buried on purpose by these guys. You ever hear of the Knights of the Temple, [00:27:00] the temples. The temple is built every one of the gothic cathedrals in Europe, and every one of those cathedrals are based on Egyptian esoteric mysteries, because all of Egypt is about returning to the light of the divine. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: What is this book about? This book is about cutting edge physics and consciousness, that the ultimate nature of reality is light, and that the light is instantaneous everywhere in the universe and connected. And my doctoral chair's best friend, he's still alive. He's written a hundred books. His name is Dr. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Irvin Laslow. He wrote a book, excuse me, in 2004. [00:28:00] Called Science and Ikas Field, an entity covered every development of quantum physics from 1905 when Neil's board developed it until 2004, and he, and what he covered was everything and what, here's what quantum physicists have found. All space, all time, all past, all present, all future, all domains, all levels. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Everything that you could ever conceive of is part of what is called the Akashic field. Scientists have proven that everything is connected to everything else instantaneously, and it's all light, including our bodies. That knowledge has been suppressed greatly. The last sentence in that book says the akok feel, which means the all is the mind of the divine. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The Egyptian ancient Egyptians built every [00:29:00] single structure with the idea of the light and returning to the light because we are spiritual beings experiencing the earth. I'll give you a pretty good example. The original ancient Egyptian name for the Great Pyramid was not cfu. CFU didn't build the great pyramid, and there was no evidence except a three inch high statue of supposedly the Pharaoh CFU found close by to the pyramid that CFU built it along with a guy named Howard Vice, who dyna might his way into the chambers above the, above the, the, the king's chamber, so-called is not the king's chamber. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And he argues that he found cartes that said cfu. The problem is he had lousy Egyptian and he did not allow to write [00:30:00] the hieroglyphics. The original name of the Great Pyramid, which was cased in perfectly white tur limestone was the light. Every building in Egypt was built to process enlightenment, to return people, which is the same term you gotta think, process philosophy. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Alfred North Whitehead, neither you or I or anyone watching, listening to this is a specific being, but a creative entity. And all we do is create. That's all we do. All the divine does is creates, all you do is create. Every cell in your body is constantly being recreated as part of the AKA field, which is part of a divine mind [00:31:00] plan, which has the ontology of light, but a teleology, telogy, a purposefulness of ever becoming more sophisticated, conscious, and aware. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Let's go back to, let's go back to to Yom Kipper. Most Jews are taught that Yom Kipper means the day of atonement. But if you break the word apart, it becomes a process. Atonement really is about, at one minute, it is the process of return. And if we look at the Old Testament, it is a, it is an attempt to move from selfishness, arrogance, and pride, which is the whole story of the Old Testament, no matter what the specifics are to [00:32:00] selflessness. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: As a psychologist, I can say all psychological problems. Excuse me, I gotta get a drink. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: All psychological problems relate to self-absorption. I don't care what you, if you look at the DSM five now, every issue Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: is about self depression, anxiety, reactions. I don't care what it is, they're all about self the way out of that. Is to fall in love with that which created us, and I argue all addictions are attempts to numb the pain of not being a kipper of moving back towards the divine because it is the only thing that exists, the akashi field is the [00:33:00] ancient Egyptians knew this. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's why the great pyramid was not built as a tomb nor any of the other pyramids. The great pyramid was built as a temple of initiation and the, the empty sarcophagus. And I, I was in the empty sarcophagus for 17 breaths. And I can tell you it is so loaded with energy that unless you are really in a perfect attunement, you can't stay in it. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I lasted 17 breasts. It was like, It was like being bombarded with the most weird sensations ever. There is much more to that, and it's in this book. Okay, now let me go back to the, to the, the general vicinity of why Egypt was not the, the pyramids in [00:34:00] Egypt and the temple. Some of the temples were built later on, earlier sites, and again, there are seven bands of temples. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: There's two on each side of the Nile River. My daughter has a very good friend. He, his late friend, her late friend who, not Joseph Yoan. It was I'll think of his name in a minute. He wrote a great article on talking about the Nile River in all of the temples. Being chakras along the Kundalini, that's what the ancient, esoteric Egyptians knew and taught privately. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So those 14 temples are missing the 15th piece, and that 15th piece is why I was brought in [00:35:00] for the The Desire by Dr. Zahi Wash and Dr. Mark Lerner, who have one as publicly stated. Dr. Mark Lerner wrote a book and is publicly stated, and I got the slide to prove it. He said, my entire goal of my life was to find the lost Atlantian Hall of Records. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Zawa brought me in because I had access to the LIDAR system and we were going to go into Egypt. Bringing the lidar system because what they're really interested is in finding the biggest change in history that'll ever be. And that is the Atlantan Hall of Records. So that's a quick overview. Are you guys still with me? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. That's, that's interesting. So you, you had said the, the people of light now, if I remember [00:36:00] correctly, in the Old Testament when they talk about the serpent, the word for serpent was na kosh, which means kind of bronze colored skin, or, or, or like, like glisen, like light. I wonder if there's any sort of relation there between naka, that Hebrew word and what you're describing. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Well I wasn't going to cover this, but I'll go, I'll I'll, since you asked, I'll go into it. As you now see, as we now see. The people in power always want to control the narrative, and they will do that when you're asleep and all you are is self-absorbed. It's like what Stalin said. One death is a tragedy, a millions of statistic. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And if you look at all the mass murderers, there is no concern at all or love for anyone. What we see in Star Wars, what we see in all the themes through history and [00:37:00] biblically, and I suggest to you the Old Testament is, was written on four levels. Historical, literal, allegorical. Symbolic. It's also written esoterically. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: It is. If it is taken only, literally Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: we limit ourselves. So let's go back to what's not in the Old Testament, but is mentioned in the Old Testament. And what that is, is, is the book of Enoch. And in the book of Enoch, which, and there's 2200 flavors of Christianity, and there are several flavors of Judaism. The 2200 exoteric flavors of Christianity have a common theme, and it's based on a need to feel [00:38:00] safe. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So what they argue is only our flavor of Christianity is correct. They're all wrong for whatever theological reasons that there are with Judaism. What Judaism sought the same surety. And the law into maintaining the mosaic law to the nth degree. Now, what was the purpose of the law? It was Are you familiar with Tek? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Okay. literally means the repair of the gulf, the rift between the divine and humanity, by maintaining the law. Now, what is that really about? It's about boundaries. It's about boundaries. So the ego, which is easy, got out, does not run amuck, and is, [00:39:00] and is bounded until consciousness can awaken enough that you are in, in touch with the divine enough that you recognize the way to live is through the pattern of selflessness. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, there is a reason why the Jewish prophets came in as Jews, because what Judaism was originally about was an offshoot. It could be argued of the Egyptian desire to be one with the divine. And what Judaism is all about is the love of God. But I have a friend of mine, he's not a close friend, he's an acquaintance. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: His name is Rabbi Germ. And Rabbi Germ is a Hasidic Jew. And he wrote to me one day and he said, Tom, 85% of all Jews [00:40:00] today are secular human as atheists. So they have forgotten what the Orthodox, which they think the Orthodox are nuts. But the Orthodox practice, that's the goal. And, and. The goal is sureity and se ex, it's, it's the preservation of the self for the future, but all spiritual growth. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I don't think I brought the book with me. All spiritual growth is paradoxical. The more you give up of self and self-protection. You got a question? Did you want me to stop? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was just gonna say that it's interesting what you had, what you had said is cuz the words of Jesus, you have no greater love than to give his life's brother. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's, and if you look the Old Testament is all about failure. It is the failure to live [00:41:00] a selfless life and do, and do. Kip the. Somebody believes in Jesus. And if you look at the history of Christianity, excuse me, it is a far different cry than what was taught after the 14 hundreds. And I'll give you an example. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Until the emperor just Indian than about four 50 or 5 35, I forget the year. His wife was Theodosia, she was a concubine, reincarnation. The idea of reincarnation is still the viable teaching of Hasidic esoteric Jews. For the, for the 85%, they don't believe in anything. But there's, there is a phenomenal series of, [00:42:00] of insights by rabbis that are esoteric rabbis to talk why reincarnation is not openly taught in Judaism. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Until 500 ad. And by the way, to the Christians in the audience that have been taught, that man is appointed but wants to live and wants to die, I can cite four even more compelling passages in the New Testament that say exactly opposite. For example, Matthew 11 and math. Could you share those? Yeah, sure. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Matthew 11 and Matthew 17, you can look. Jesus is having a discussion. The disciples are asking Jesus, who are you? Are you Elijah? Are who? Are you a prophet? Who are you? What's your nature? What's your anthology? And he said, I'll tell you, Elijah [00:43:00] has come again. And they knew him not, and they did to him what's they would. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And then it says, the disciples understood. Did he speak it to them of John the Baptist? So let's look at Elijah's life, Elijah, and I'm trying to remember if it was Jezebel or if it was Delilah. Elijah was a, an aesthetic, and Elijah's the guy that had the contest between the priest of ba and this is about dancing about over the, about the, the fire. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And he said, have your servants bring all of the wood, kill a bullet, a bull, a cow, and put it on there and have 'em dance around and see if he can bring the fire down. Nothing happened after like 12 hours. He then calls down Yahweh. And what Yahweh does is lights the fire. But in Elijah's [00:44:00] arrogance, what did he do? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Do you remember? He beheaded all. He killed the ball, putting water on there. He killed 500. He beheaded 500 priests of ball. Oh yeah, the bail profits a bail. So what Jesus was referring to in 11 and 17 is that the karma, karma is not just memory. It's a Sanskrit word that means action, which you so you shall reap. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He die kills by this sword, shall die by this sword, but it's not just memory, it's God's grace. So you can meet and overcome what you have done. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what leukemia really is. Leukemia is the shedding of your own blood. Nonviolently from an esoteric perspective. So, Here's, here's two other ones, Paul, I think it's in Galatians [00:45:00] chapter four, verse nine. Paul says, I tra is a French word, meaning to work, to engage Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I, I, I engage in my life. Here's what he said. I tra this isn't a King James version. I tra in birth again till ye be formed in Christ Jesus. Now, let's go to revelation. Revelation was given to Jesus, to by Jesus to the Apostle John, John the beloved. It isn't exactly described when he was banished to the island of Patson and he appeared to them and John says, I was in spirit deep meditation on the Lord's Day when Jesus revealed this to me. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: If you [00:46:00] read chapter three, verse 12, this is what Jesus tells John to he who overcomes the world, I will send out no more. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So how did I get involved? How did I get invited in is because when I hypnotized a guy named Bob Pickett, this is in 1965, Bob Pickett. I mean, I knew nothing about hypnosis. He insisted I hypnotize him. I was raised Roman Catholic and I was the I, I mean, I was like 18, 19 years old. I was just a fool. I didn't know anything. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: But I wanted a college degree cuz I realized how stupid I was. How, how clueless I was because I, I grew up in the projects in Buffalo. So I said, all right, picket, I'll hypnotize you. And I hypnotize him. I age [00:47:00] regress him, and I was sewing a button on my fatigue blouse, and I had a long needle. And I, since I'm doubting Thomas, he's, I take him back to age four and I said, I wonder if he's BSing me. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I wonder if he's awakened. He's just making his stuff up, because I'm asking him, what'd you get for your birthday? So he's laying on the co, he's laying on his bed next to me and I take that needle and I stabbed him in the hand. He didn't even butch. I said, holy cow. So I said, what'd you get for your fourth birthday? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Third birthday, second birthday, first birthday? Can you remember being born? He tells me, this is a cognitive dissonance of the highest order I said, Can you remember in your mother's womb? He tells me about a conversation between his mother and his aunt about the coming baby. I said, can you remember anything before? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Because I'm figuring he's gonna say, how's a fat chubby little angel? And God sent me down here. This is what he told me. How is a minor [00:48:00] functionary in the court of Louis the 16th, and he starts telling me of a lifetime in France. My head was exploding. I couldn't take it. I had to wake him up. As soon as he woke up he goes, I says, picket it. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Do you remember what you told me? He goes, Tom, you're my best friend. You stabbed me in a hand. When I was sleeping, that's all he cared about. He didn't want to hear, he wouldn't let me hypnotize him again. He would never let do anything. I got certified. I went back as part of my doctoral program and I was certified. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: By the American Society for Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis. It's only open to dentists, doctors, and PhDs. I didn't have my doctorate then. I was, I was working on my doctoral dissertation and here's what they told us. We do not know what hypnosis is, and I'll tell you what it is. In my opinion, it is letting go of the stranglehold that the rational consciousness has on us, [00:49:00] and it's letting the unconscious mind, which is the conscious mind of the soul speak. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what hypnosis is really about. They then said to me, if somebody spontaneously regresses to a former life, pay them no mind. That's how powerful the strictures are. All right, let me tell you a little more, cause we only got three minutes left, right? I'll tell you, I'll tell you a little more. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: When I got transferred to Germany after Dugal threw us out of France, a guy gave me a book called, there Is a River, about Agro Casei. I didn't know anything about Agar. I didn't, I mean, I was a young kid. I was 19. I didn't know. I read that book three times in three days and I said, this is either, this is the greatest story I ever told, or it's o other BS over the years. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I can say this about Casey. He is the only [00:50:00] psychics, whatever you want to call him, in all history, it was steno graphically recorded for 25 or 27 years. He could take his consciousness under altered state and project it anywhere in the world and go through your body in extreme detail with 98% accuracy. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And prescribe how to get better. Did that for 45 years. There's a guy who's written a 1600 page book that I'll be glad to send you. It's a trilogy called Return of the Phoenix by Michael Mandeville. He was an absolute skeptic on Casey, and he said, I thought he was like everybody else. Another phony, and I'm not asking you to accept or reject anything on Casey, but I'll tell you this. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Zawa and Dr. [00:51:00] Mark Lerner's PhDs were paid for by Edgar Casey's oldest son. Casey said that the great pyramid was designed by this guy who was a prior incarnation of Christ, and that's the whole purpose of a 12,900 year plan that's coming to an end. With another change in consciousness. And it says in the Bible that Adam and Eve was the first man and woman, but we know they married other people. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: According to the Casey source, Casey never remembered anything. There were multiple levels Bec as we came into the earth cause we're pure spirit. It was pure spirit thought form, like a two year old thought form projecting in a materiality sent towards mentors, mermaids getting stuck [00:52:00] till God eventually created the adomic race. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what the Bible was talking about. The Adomic race is rational mind and the whole process is over many lifetimes and, and it's a gift that we can't remember those lifetimes. Because what if you were Hitler? What if you were a murderer or a prostitute? The unconscious self hatred of the eagle would destroy us. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So God gives us free will. And the goal is, is in Matthew 10 32. I think that's in the goal. The disciples we're saying to him, who are we? And he said, as I'm not saying, your scriptures referring to the 82nd Psalm that er God's children are the most on our goal. All we do is create. All God does is create. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The goal is what is the spirit, the ideals in which you live. Because all evil in the earth [00:53:00] is caused by selfishness, pride, and arrogance. And that's what the fallen angels are about. They came into the earth and Lucifer most likely seduced. Steve impregnated her with Kane. And what did Kane do? Murdered Abel. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Those, they got an access so they could incarnate into the airplane and we are now reaching the culminating war. That'll be culminating with a polar shift and my hour is up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. That's a lot of amazing things that we didn't even get to really tackle as much as I wanted to. Man, the time went by so quick. I think I have to have again sometime soon. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I have pictures, I have slides. I can talk to you about other areas, but that's, I think it's the greatest story, never told of who Christ really was. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He was Adam [00:54:00] Je Joshua Joseph. Look at him with Joshua. He had 11 brothers and a father. He had a multicolored coat. What does that represent? It represents light defracted and not whole yet he got. He was gonna be murdered by his brothers. They threw him into a well. When names change. When consciousness change, names change in the Bible. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And his brother, Judah, sold them for 20 pieces of silver. Within two years. He was number two guy in Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Okay? He interpreted dreams. He forgave his brothers and his father see the movement. At first, he was arrogant. They hated them. He eventually forgave them. Just look at J. Just look at Joshua. Joshua was arou allowed into the promised land. Moses [00:55:00] wasn't. Why Moses murdered a slave owner. You look at those lives of look at Mcil death. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He is viewed by Christians as a precursor of Christ. That's cuz he was. If you read John chapter one, everything in that chapter is true. In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word was with God. And, and by him all things were created. Nothing was not created except by him. He is the pattern, and yet he will never force that pattern on us. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's why he says, I stand at the door and knock, but I will never enter unbidden. It is us to use our free will to wake up. And I can, I'll end it with this. There is one quality that defines all happy people. You wanna take a shot at it? One word.[00:56:00] Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Gratitude. All happy people are grateful. All the rest are in greats. They're poor me, somebody done me wrong, and they're victims. They're asleep to their own. Yo kipper, they're not at one, so they seek to kill the pain of non being. They seek addictions and what is the gift of an addiction? Pain. That's how you know you're addicted. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Pain. The people that live in peace are the ones that have fallen in love with God. Just look at the great Sufis. Look at Rumi aas. Hafi says, I'm a whole in the flute of God, through which Christ's breath blows. Listen to this music. Falling in love with God is the only way out psychologically. It's the only thing that brings peace. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what Christ came to show us. Those buildings. All of the buildings in Egypt, all of the temples [00:57:00] initiates were taken to the lowest temples, and they were brought up and taught at every level until at the highest level, which was the temple of initiation, which is the great pyramid. None of them were built as tombs. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: They were built as temples of initiation. Hers is the Greek name for thunk for th Enoch. The the the Jewish prophet Enoch. Perhaps the greatest prophet next to Moses was known to the Jews. This was th th Eich Kmi. Same guy in the Herm Medica. Hermis brings his disciple. Aus and they're viewing ancient Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And Asus says to 'em, look at the beauty, the perfection [00:58:00] that is Egypt. And by the way, the accuracy of the, of the jars, there's 40,000 jars. Do. There are, they are basalt. And and I can't think of the other things. There's 40,000. They're act, they're machine to 1000th of an inch. And I'll, I'll shut up after this. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: What, what, what Herme says to Aus is the Lius says, look at his beauty everywhere. And Herme says Tous, it'll all be destroyed. It'll all be gone. It'll all be forgotten by mankind. But someday they will awaken to the glory of the divine. Thanks for your time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you sir. And, and I think this is a perfect time to say that there is redemption at the foot of Jesus. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if, and if you've done things in your life that, that are taking you into a bad place, into [00:59:00] addiction, into self-hate, into all of these things that we've discussed, turn to the cross, turn to Jesus and you will find that forgiveness that you're Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: looking for. That's you're He's everything. He's the answer. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He's the only answer. Thank you, sir. God bless you. Thank you so much. God bless you. Bye Now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, the duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Wright and Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. 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Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. SIgoloff. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for joining me again. I first wanna say thank you to all my Patreon subscribers. I've got shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela shek At $20 and 20 cents a month, we have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents with Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Anna, who was a guest. Frank, we have the $10 self-made level with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned tier at $5 a month with Linda Emmy, Joe Patten, Bev, pj, [00:01:00] Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer. And then the courage is contagious. $1 level, Amanda j Spna, Dorell, Suzanne, BB King, who is also a guest. And Rick, thank you so much for all your support. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Now we have another special guest back, a personal friend and a friend to the show. Dr. Lee Merritt. Thank you so much for coming back. Dr Lee Merritt: Hey, thanks. Thanks for having me. I, I, I was looking around today for my pandemic reprimand patch. I had it, I wore it on a show the other day. It just stuck to my, my, my turtleneck. Dr Lee Merritt: So I love it. Thanks. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for representing now. I wanted to have you on today cuz you and I recently had a conversation about mRNA and do we have that technology, does that exist? Is it in the shots? And you have a lot of good information to share about that. Dr Lee Merritt: Well, yeah, I, I'll tell you what got me down this road, and, and by the way, I'm one of the crazy people that doesn't think they're viruses, but that I can just, that I can absolutely show you why the, the science is, is garbage about this. Dr Lee Merritt: [00:02:00] Some of this, the, what I'm, what I'm telling you now is really based on it's, it's more, it's less like a scientific research project and more like Angela Lansbury murder. She wrote, you know, going down the, the means motive and opportunity, what's going on here. Because when you do that, you realize if we were, if this were a murder, mystery, murder investigation, and we were doing it seriously, you just wouldn't accept a lot of the stuff that this happened. Dr Lee Merritt: As you, you'd know it was off. Okay? You wouldn't wait for 30 year double blind studies. It isn't that kind of a, a scientific investigation. So the first thing that happened along that road, so I'm gonna kind of go in the time course here. The first thing that I noticed was that I was, I was What was I looking at? Dr Lee Merritt: I was looking at something, oh, I, cuz I had published a CK article, I a bunch, several CK articles and one of the things I brought up was crispr, the CRISPR technology and the, you know, the stuff about the X-files and the predictive programming and the danger of this stuff. And it really worried me. [00:03:00] But when I got farther into it, I re, somebody had sent me a, a kind of a, it was a legal, it was, it was like they'd sent it to a lawyer and the lawyer passed it to me, not, you know, and it was about, They were saying it sounded like Chinese, I can't remember why I thought these were Chinese people writing this, but it was a group of people that didn't sign their name. Dr Lee Merritt: I, and at the time I believed them, I thought, well, they just don't wanna be killed probably. And they purported to be ratting out, this guy named Jiang at M i t. And what they're saying is, we've done the RNA sequencing, this is how we did it. These, these guys were, whether or not they were lying or not, at least they were extremely technically competent. Dr Lee Merritt: They, they, they, from what I can understand, I mean they were using the right words and they were talking about stuff I could verify. And they looked at all these different, they were using different methods for sequencing, different databases and all that kinda stuff. And what they said essentially was, You know, this isn't the code for a spike protein. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay? It, it's an, it's no long open reading frame. [00:04:00] This is a, some kind of RNA toxin they're giving you. They're just giving you all sorts of little fragments of RNAs that we can't identify. It's not the, it's not the spike protein. And we think this is where the, the whole, the whole murder mystery thing comes. Dr Lee Merritt: And we think the only guy that could have done this was Jiang at the M mi t Jang lab named for him. Okay? So I decide who is this guy? So I went to the m MIT lab thing. Well, Jiang is a young guy, and by the way, his name in Chinese means tip of the spear make of that what you want. He's a Chinese American. Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, I think he was native born Chinese. But anyway, young guy. Obviously Barry Bright and his claim to fame is, this is the guy who's the father of crispr. Okay? So he's apparently very, very up in this thing. So I go to his website, start reading it, and what does he say? The first paragraph that I found about this was he says, yeah, you know, now I'm embellishing a little bit. Dr Lee Merritt: But he says, you know, when, when when you, when it comes to genetic manipulation, we can do gene knockdown. And I knew that what [00:05:00] gene knockdown is is not, you know, that's how they made GMO potatoes. In other words, they crudely, you know, change things in the DNA enough that they can just get rid of things, and then they see what happens. Dr Lee Merritt: It's very crude, but it, they can do it. And that's the, the GMO potatoes that we have today that are all donating any of those. What they did was they didn't wanna have spoilers, so what they did is they hid the spoilers by knocking down the gene for the melanin. So anybody that eats GMO potatoes, just be aware the potatoes could be rotten, but you won't know because they took away the chemical marker that God gave us to know that something's rotten. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay? That's the way gene knockdown works. They can knock down part of your immune system, for example, but what they, what he says, but, but you know, when it comes to precise genetic insertion, we really can't do that. And I read that and I said, what? This is the father of crispr. That's what that's all about. Dr Lee Merritt: What are we talking about here? So then I looked up, and I learned this from Bob Greco, not Carbon 60 Fame. I said, I, I learned, I looked up his, his PhD thesis. [00:06:00] Okay. And what's his PhD thesis in? It's an optogenetics. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you a little later about why that's important. And what opto optogenetics in brief is that I can use wavelength to change the function of like nerve cells or you know, heart cells or things using wavelength. Dr Lee Merritt: And it presumably goes through the DNA expression. So that's what optogenetics is, and I'm gonna talk about that a little later. But here's the reason. So then I started thinking about there's something wrong about the idea of the r n A in the vaccines to begin with. The first, and the first thing is that if you're, if you're looking at the, the the production of this, of this technology just to begin with, let's assume they started six months before the e u a rolled out and they started producing these vaccines. Dr Lee Merritt: If you look at Pfizer, just at Pfizer, and you look at how many vaccines they claim they've produced, To date. And then you look at, at, let's give them a few [00:07:00] more months. Let's add six months from the time of the e Uua. So from that date to now, they claim they've produced a certain number of vaccines to do that at, at their 11 facilities, they would have to be doing 18 vaccines per second, nonstop round the clock seven days a week. Dr Lee Merritt: No shutting down of any of those production lines. No pause for quality checks. No, nothing is, you know, and if you, and if then if then you say or no, that's 14, sorry, 14 vaccines per minute. If you say you waited until the e u a was actually approved to start producing it, you're talking about 18 vaccines a second. Dr Lee Merritt: So, Is that even possible? And is it even, especially with a, with a, with a medication like this, which is injectable and has serious quality constraints that have to be tested frequently, and that's just, I know something about manufacturing, you always shut down lines. Campbell Soup in Omaha near me, they always shut down lines because something was a muck. Dr Lee Merritt: Here you have a very, very delicate process and they're saying that [00:08:00] nothing is shut down, that it just doesn't make sense. So that's number one. Number two is the cost. In 2018, the cost of doing any kind, they only had, keep in mind that there were billions and billions of dollars sunk into vaccine into mRNA technology research in medicine. Dr Lee Merritt: And none of it except like two things so far have ever resulted in an actual treatment, has ever meant the clinical stages before Covid. And, and one of them was an ophthalmologic thing and it, and it. Cost essentially 800,000 to a million dollars a dose. And you're telling me that within two years they got that technology down so they could offer $30 or less per dose for the whole world. Dr Lee Merritt: I, I, I have a little hard time with that one too. Okay. You, I know mass prediction decreases cost, but to from a million to 30 mm. That's a little bit hard stretch, but here's the kicker. Okay. Even, you know, remember when this thing rolled out, at first they said, oh, this stuff has to be kept very, very cold to keep the RNA from degrading. Dr Lee Merritt: So [00:09:00] it's, it's very important that it says that 80 below, I think it was 80 below zero centigrade or something. It was very, very cold. And so it could only be in certain depositories around the country. And then, After about two or three weeks, that kind of just went away and pretty soon it was just sitting on a fi, a pharmacy wall. Dr Lee Merritt: And then pretty soon it was there for a month. Okay. That was 10 days, and then it was a little stretched out. Now why is that important? Because if you go to a I, I found they're still doing research on this stuff, so they're, the people producing this are not the primary researchers. The researchers are out there in academia and all sorts of medical facilities, and they're doing all this stuff. Dr Lee Merritt: And they know, they know what happens when they're doing research. Right? They knew about the animal deaths. They're still having people, the, the cancer research in mRNA. Yeah. The animals don't die of cancer, but they're dying of other things, so they know there's a problem. It's never been really released yet for that. Dr Lee Merritt: But when I found a paper, and this is a, a, a group of, of physicians, I think from the University of Washington, [00:10:00] and they, they're talking about how it's a review of mRNA technology. This is June of 2022. Let's think about that. So a year and a half after the rollout of all these vaccines, these guys are saying, you know, this mRNA technology would really, yeah, it has a lot of potential. Dr Lee Merritt: Like maybe we could make a vaccine their, their primary cancer researchers. But they were saying, yeah, for example, they could make a vaccine for malaria, which is desperately needed in the third world country. But the problem there is they don't have a transport system that would, that would allow this because without the ability to thoroughly to keep these things really, really cold, the M R N is going to degrade. Dr Lee Merritt: So at the time, we're letting this sit at room temperature for period long periods of time, months at a time before we give it out. They're still saying in the basic science research, that's not possible. And when you look at it, the half-life of some of these RNAs, so there's RNA as a, as a family of things. Dr Lee Merritt: They're micro RNAs and TR and mRNAs, the messenger RNAs or s RNAs. They're all [00:11:00] these different things. And when they look at these things, they all have different half lives, but they, they range from about three minutes to 16 and a half hours. Now, I'm just gonna make this point. We know about transportation systems. Dr Lee Merritt: You couldn't even get it out of the factory in 16 and a half hours. Not to mention then the, so that to me is the final blow in my mind that this is not what this is about. Even if they intended it, they're getting, you're getting very, if, if they did put it in, which I doubt you're getting extremely degraded stuff if there's been sitting on a pharmacy shelf, right? Dr Lee Merritt: And, and when I say extremely degraded, it's like the point of 90 to 99% gone to the, and they say in the, in this article, one of these articles they say, which makes it useless as an m when you're as a clinical diagnostic test to look for mRNA, it's useless because just taking the blood sample, going to the lab, it's gonna all be degraded. Dr Lee Merritt: Now it degrades faster in blood cuz we have breakdown enzymes. But nonetheless, you [00:12:00] see my point, this is just can't be what they're saying. So Yeah, so, so that was, that was the big thing. So then about this, so then what are they doing? And I honestly think the, for lack of a better term, I mean the uber parasites, I kinda like the Uber parasites. Dr Lee Merritt: I used to call 'em the Uber Lords, but the people on the top of the pyramid that are purposely trying to murder us with this stuff, if, you know, do you think they'd be spending their, they're not gonna volunteer their dollars for doing this if they can do it on the cheap, if it's gonna be more effective, it's not mRNA. Dr Lee Merritt: Even if it were, even if it were possible to get it out of the factory, it's just not a very cost effective therapy because it's expensive to make stuff like this. So anyway, and I think personally, all those billions that were spent are probably spent in dark programs. I don't think it's really being spent on this. Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, it's like nasa, right? This is like the mRNA technology is like space ex exploration by nasa. It may be going on some way, but not the way they're telling you. They're, they're, they're using the money for other things. So here we [00:13:00] have now, what are, what are they really doing? Well, it turns out that I went in, in the process of this, looking at optogenetics. Dr Lee Merritt: I started just researching optogenetics and I stumbled upon a lot of this stuff has to do with options. Options are chemicals that respond to light. So you and I have options in our eye, like roadin. It's one of those things that help you see chemicals or low light or something, but it changes with the, with, with, with when, when light hits it. Dr Lee Merritt: Now, Human beings and mammals in general, we don't have very strong options. In other words, they, they talk about, you know the kinetics of chemical reactions being, you know, very, very fast, very slow, whatever. Our kinetics in our options isn't very fast. We don't, we don't have the kind of really very sensitive options that bacteria do. Dr Lee Merritt: And I think it's a bluegreen algae or something that they used as an example that, that in a Petri dish, if you have this bluegreen algae floating on the surface, so the whole surface looks kind of bluegreen and you [00:14:00] shine a 310 nanometer light on it, they'll start all moving away from you to the other side of the Petri dish. Dr Lee Merritt: It'll, it'll, eventually, you'll have a Petri dish that's, that's all to the, the opposite side because it actually triggers the little flagella, the little rotary propeller on the back of these, these single celled organisms. Okay? So they have very, very powerful options. Well, what these basic science researchers, and I never read, quite frankly, I don't know about you, but have you picked up a medical journal? Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, the medical journals are just so fraudulent. It doesn't matter. But real research is still being done out there and somebody's publishing it. You know, when something has become, by the way, here's your, your how to clue to how to do basic science reading. I learned this years ago. Looking at the bios, they'll, they'll publish, publish, publish, publish. Dr Lee Merritt: The minute it goes dark, you can't see it. They've quit publishing about it. That means it's gone into the black programs. Okay? So right now they're still publishing this stuff, but who knows? So, so this is from a few years ago and they're talking, maybe they're not publishing it now. Cause this is, some of this stuff is from a few [00:15:00] years ago. Dr Lee Merritt: So what they did is they took these options and they said, let's hybridize mammalian options with these bacterial options to see if we can make them more effective. So if we can use 'em for targeting for cancer research, that's one of the reasons they, they were saying they were doing it. So they did that and they, and they, then they injected these things into the mice. Dr Lee Merritt: Now they're two types of optogenetic research using this that are primary. I mean, they're probably a lot more, but the big two things they're looking at is your heart and your brain. And they always do it. Although we wanna solve Parkinson's and we want to have, be able to solve you know, do things that are non-invasive in the heart. Dr Lee Merritt: Those are kind of the excuses they always give for all these kind of strange things. But what they did was they injected mice with these, this hybridized option and what they sell. Oh, the other thing is almost word for word. In all these articles, they talk about very s. Te temporal, spatial speci, specificity and specificity. Dr Lee Merritt: In other words, when they do this technique, it, it [00:16:00] is very specific. If I want to use this technique on one part of the brain, I don't have to affect the other part of the brain. I can target parts of the brain, parts of the heart to the points. You can almost do cardiac mapping with this. Okay, so they, so they hybridize this chemical, this option thing. Dr Lee Merritt: They put it into the mice, and then they turn on the wavelength. They play around with wavelength and they can cause arrhythmia. They can start arrhythmia, they can stop arrhythmia. Now think about that. Dr Sam Sigoloff: They can start your heart and stop your heart with EMF frequency. Dr Lee Merritt: Let's just see what this might lead to. Dr Lee Merritt: But they couldn't do it. Yep, that's right. Now the, but here's the point and the good point I'm just gonna make, they couldn't do it until they put this chemical into you. So those people that are unvaccinated probably are somewhat. If this is what's going on, as I suspect it's good to be unvaccinated right now they really have to inject you. Dr Lee Merritt: This is not something I think they can get into you [00:17:00] by all the fear tactics they're putting out there. I think they have to, it's like Judy Mitz said this at a meeting. I was sitting next to her chatting with her and she said, but she ta she talked about, you know, she talks about viruses, but she doesn't really mean viruses. Dr Lee Merritt: She means genetic material that's being scavenged from one animal, putting another animal. She calls it infection by injection. So I think that's what this is too. There's a, they, they have to get it into you, but once they get this stuff into the, into the animal, they can then cause this arrhythmia. Now I want you to think about the, the Travis Scott concert. Dr Lee Merritt: Remember? I mean, I'm not a, it may surprise you, but I don't follow rap. But, but that, there was one concert that I actually watched some of. But so they had all these people that dropped, and these are young people, roughly 10 of them. It, they wanted you to make it, make it sound like it was a crush syndrome, but it doesn't look like that. Dr Lee Merritt: And if you talk to the people that, if you listen to the people that were firsthand reporting it, assuming the history to be correct, like we talk about in homicide investigations and, and medicine histories, assuming the history to be correct, they weren't getting [00:18:00] crushed until they fell. And then there was a problem that they didn't have room to do c p r. Dr Lee Merritt: That's when the, they tried to get things stopped. They tried to get these people resuscitated. They tried to get the help in the, the EMTs and stuff. That's the problem. So Dr Sam Sigoloff: there was a similar incidence in South Korea where there was, I think there was. A significant number in significant number. I wanna say a hundred, but I, I, Dr Lee Merritt: oh, in South Korea, Dr Lee Merritt: number of people dropped. I thought it was about a hundred. I did too. I wanna say a hundred. I think that's what I read. And again, these are young people and they, they, they go to this concert and they suddenly drop. Now what's the number one reason that young people have sudden death? It's, it's, it's sudden unexpected arrhythmia. Dr Lee Merritt: You got it. So let's just look at this. Now, these options respond to two things. They respond to wavelength and they respond to pulsitile light. Like a, like a strobe light, like a, like a flashing light at a concert, right? So everybody had to be vaccinated. [00:19:00] Then they had to walk through this tunnel of, you know, this creepy skull satanic junk. Dr Lee Merritt: And then when they got into the concert, then they're bombarded with wavelength, they're bombarded with flashing lights. And these people kind of almost all at once started dropping same. I think that was the same thing in Korea. I can't, I don't know all the, I didn't, I didn't listen to the firsthand reports there, because now I'm pretty con I'm, I'm pretty convinced this is going on. Dr Lee Merritt: But they claim this, never used this technique in, in ma in, in humans. But they're, they, they can show you in animals. They can change the behavior by targeting, let's say they're hypothalamus and they can You know, they can do lots of stuff. So they're targeting the brain, they're targeting the heart. Dr Lee Merritt: And wouldn't this be, I dunno if you, you know, you're too young to remember the church commission, but the church commission really unearthed a lot of things in Congress when congress was really, some of the congressmen really, I guess, cared about truth. It unearthed a lot of things, including that heart attack gun. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, they had these guys showing this CIA heart attack gun cuz they could give you a heart attack at a distance. It's [00:20:00] unprovable, but it used some kind of ice bullet. I mean, it was, it was kind of weird. I can't remember the whole story now. But they, they actually have, they've had a, a desire to be able to kill people. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, you know, these, these intelligence services, they wanna be able to off people without being caught. So, so just saw the dark, Dr Sam Sigoloff: I believe that, I believe that gun used some sort of cono, toxin from a cone snail. Dr Lee Merritt: It could be, I can't remember that whole story. There were several of those weapons out there. Dr Lee Merritt: There was the ice one and there was the toxin one. And then of course we have the Havana Syndrome. So let's not forget that they've been trying this for a long time. We know that in the age of the Soviet Union, we had our, our, our diplomats down there and they got, they got headaches, they got all these things happening to 'em, and it took years to untangle that. Dr Lee Merritt: At least we claim to figure out what was going on. But now we know they actually were having bombard of, of a microwave type device into their skulls because, and we also know it, not just because they claim that they've, they've done that, [00:21:00] but also because DARPA worked at a countermeasure. And when they start working at countermeasure, they assume that there's a measure out there. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. And, and, and I'll just say in really in conclusion that the other point here is if you go back in the Russian literature that I did and it's just a fluke. I studied Russian in college, which is really paid off because I'm not, I can't speak it, you know, I can't, but I can, I can read it. I can read it. Dr Lee Merritt: I'm getting to read it better every night cuz I'm following the Vogner group and all these Russians and the war and Ukraine and I'm learning all sorts of language. We never were taught in the, in the Russian school. But anyway when you, you find this guy Kas Nache in the twenties and thirties in Nova, in, in the old Soviet Union. Dr Lee Merritt: And he became an academic kind of guy. But he started out just looking at this and he looked at cells that were in a, like a Petri dish and it would be, you know, side a, side B, exact same type of cell, but separated by an optical window and. It. Then he poisoned side A to see what happened in side B, [00:22:00] and he would poison it with arsenic, cyanide, bacterial toxins. Dr Lee Merritt: Radiation was a favorite. He did this thousands of times. This is not a fluke. It was thousands of times he did different experiments. And what he discovered was if the optical window was glass, nothing happened to side B. But if the optical window was quartz, they started dying 12 hours later from the cells that were dying that he had poisoned. Dr Lee Merritt: But these weren't poisoned cells on side B, right side ae poisoned side B 12 hours later. And it's specific to what kind of poison he used. So if he poisoned side A with arsenic, side B would start dying with arsenic poisoning. Now, what's different between quartz and window glass quartz allows ultraviolet waves through. Dr Lee Merritt: So the Russians concluded that there was a a transmission here of something they called them the photon erti, the, the, the death photons that there were these ultraviolet photonic. You know, wavelengths coming through and it was killing the other cells from the dying cells [00:23:00] previously. It's interesting that you can't find his literature in, he's written a lot, c chair wrote a lot, and yet you can't find stuff in English. Dr Lee Merritt: And when you do find anybody talking about him, they say things like, oh, that was these crazy, it's Soviet doctors and, and that hasn't been reproduced or something. And then, or you'll find a paper that, that looks like it's gonna tell you something and it says, you don't have the authorization to read this. Dr Lee Merritt: Now what is this? I mean, if it's crazy stuff that there's just, this guy's a loony tune, let me read it. Maybe I like loony tunes, you know? But no, they're gonna keep that. No, there's, and, but there was a group of doctors, a group of scientists outside of Russia that later on experimented with the stuff in the sixties or, or, or was researching the stuff in the sixties, I suspect they were in Germany. Dr Lee Merritt: And guess what lab it was? It was the Marburg lab. Now, if you look at Marburg, Marburg is not an airborne virus like they want you to believe because in the whole history of the world, there've only been 600 [00:24:00] some cases, and most of them were in gold miners or some, one of 'em was gold miners. Maybe another kind of miner in these two different mines in Angola and Congo and during war, just at the end of these war episodes. Dr Lee Merritt: So it's kind of crazy, but it looks to me like that's, that was either asset acquisition or it was a bioweapons experiment on those groups of people. They didn't make their wives and children sick. It was just the minors that got sick. What. You see what I'm saying? It doesn't, it, if it were a virus, it would've spread around. Dr Lee Merritt: Just like why in Wuhan did all those people drop? But we didn't see people in Beijing, Orlon Jo or Jank, or you know, all these other cities did not si, you know, Shanghai, they didn't drop. And yet transportation was not halted in China for a long, long time. So again, what does make sense and fits everything is, is, is in, is frequency. Dr Sam Sigoloff: So what you're saying is that the reason that in Wuhan, that [00:25:00] everyone was dropping is they may have been exposed to a particular frequency, EMF frequency that may have caused. Some sort of fatal arrhythmia or some other issue that dropped caused 'em to drop dead. Dr Lee Merritt: Right Now there's two possibilities of how they got the, the, if it needs options, how do they get the options into the people in Wuhan? Dr Lee Merritt: And I will say there's two possibilities here. The one possibility, which I honestly kind of favor, but it doesn't quite go along with infection by injection is, but it goes along with what Karen Kingston has been saying. A, a specific hydrogel based or something, a lipophilic, something that you can, you get on your hands and it gets into you. Dr Lee Merritt: And by itself it's not toxic. Okay. It could, I thought it could be something that fit into the ACE two pathway. That could be true. That would be the hydrogel. But it, it's something that, and we have videos by, I think it was Epic Times that had a video for a while and it was a, some lady going into a computer store and she wasn't really looking at computers. Dr Lee Merritt: She was just opening the lid, touching all the keys, shutting the lid, [00:26:00] opening, touching, shutting, opening touch. Like that was what you'd do if you wanted to spread something to people, right? So maybe we've spread around some lipophilic, something that gets into your skin that ha te that stays on your skin. Dr Lee Merritt: You get it into your mouth and your mucus memories or what, you start absorbing it, but it doesn't harm you until they turn on the wavelength. I believe that's true. Now, it can also be that some of the people that I noticed, cuz I was following that from the middle, I had a friend that used to work at Fort Dietrich and, and you know the Bioweapons that used to be the Bioweapons plan, it still is now they call a cancer research place. Dr Lee Merritt: Cuz cuz cancers research is a great way to hide bioweapons like veterinary medicine. It's a great way to stash bio bioweapons money. But, but what happened is they No, what was my point? It was about the, the, oh, yeah, yeah. Say again? Dr Sam Sigoloff: There were young men, it seemed, who may have recently Dr Lee Merritt: Oh yeah. Dr Lee Merritt: The young men dropping. So I started noticing, so I had this friend that told me, and I was from the middle of December, I was watching this stuff when most people had never heard that we were even having a disease [00:27:00] breakout. So I was watching this stuff glued to my computer, right? And getting all these, you see all these Chinese talking. Dr Lee Merritt: Now, I'm not saying that some of this couldn't have been propaganda and could have been lies, but there's some things you can't lie about. So, for example, I would see, and they were primarily young fence slender men, like, like thirties. Okay. Could have been military. They're walking along the street and they just drop onto their face without putting their hands down. Dr Lee Merritt: I don't think you get a crisis actor to do that, even in China. Okay. So I think there's some, there was some real stuff going on. The question is why, and I believe now those were at the time I said, I'll bet you the common den. Now why young men? I think those probably were military and they probably got vaccines cuz they got vaccinated and I know they were trying vaccines for sars. Dr Lee Merritt: So see there could have been a multiple factorial reason why people were getting sick and dying. Some of them may not have had the same stuff cuz they were experimenting early on. They were pl they were plotting this out. And I don't know that they had everything worked out. I, I [00:28:00] know they didn't because we can see that in the, in the Craig part of Cooper's research. Dr Lee Merritt: So that's what I think happened. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That fits in with the idea that I put forward in my episode 33 where I talk about the bio weapon and how foun pharmaceutical and BioNTech made an agreement saying that we will sell only to China, pho, sun, pharmaceutical, and BioNTech will sell to the rest of the world. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, if they've already done these experiments and they know that these kill people like that, then they, they know they will not give it to their people anymore. Dr Lee Merritt: Right, right. Well, and the other thing is, the other thing is I think, well, they also know that China can censor things and keep things from getting out there that they don't want out there because all that stopped right away, you know, to notice how it kind of went for about a month and then you didn't see much coming outta China. Dr Lee Merritt: And then we saw the stuff coming out of Lombardi in New York City and it moved on. Right. The other explanation is that they were tuning it in. That, that what was happening is they, because we love to do research on [00:29:00] third world people that, that in the middle of Africa, you know, I, I can remember when nobody heard of the term emerging Infectious Diseases. Dr Lee Merritt: That all started when we started doing our bioweapons programs over there. I believe, you know, that's when we started getting aids, we started getting Ebola, we started getting all sorts of stuff, and they always blame it on, oh, they, oh, we, we, they paved the Kinshasa highway and so truckers were bringing this, this sexually active disease out of the, out of deep, dark jungle. Dr Lee Merritt: I don't believe that. I mean, it's too pat and there's all sorts of stuff. You know, the Zika, I mean, I don't care if you look at these guys, and I'll say like Robert Malone, who have a history of being involved in this research. There's kind of a list of pathogens and, and you know, Zeke is one of 'em. Ebola is one of 'em, h i v, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dr Lee Merritt: These are all things that they use to try and get people to take a universal vaccine. They've been working at this forever. I would say on a, on a, on a kind of a creepy, now I'm, I'm gonna channel Cliff High or on a creepy [00:30:00] existential note here. I love Cliff. I've had a chance to talk to him multiple times. Dr Lee Merritt: He's great, but he, you know, it is true that it doesn't really matter what we believe, okay? It does matter ultimately with God and, and the reality of the universe. But in terms of understanding this, what it matters is what our enemy believes. And if you're, in this case, our enemies, we're in a weird, weird war. Dr Lee Merritt: When have you ever been in a war? You couldn't name the enemy, right? Has anybody really named the enemy here? It's, it's like, is it Pfizer? No, of course not. Is it the US Army? Is it the, they're trying to blame the military. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You got an answer enemy. The enemy is Satan himself. Dr Lee Merritt: Right? And in the form of, I think in the form of a bloodline conspiracy that owns 90 plus percent of the corporate wealth that sits on the top, that is run by a very few number of people. Dr Lee Merritt: And for the lack of a better term we call them the kaza and mafia. Now they're not, it didn't start in Ukraine and Kaza, it started in Babylon. And you're right, [00:31:00] it goes way back to be probably even before the Old Testament. I mean, way biblical times way back and whoever and whatever these, these people using the term somewhat loosely are, but they have a weird belief. Dr Lee Merritt: And part of the weird belief is that I can't. Hurt you directly because that's, that would, I would get karmic retribution, but I can, I can indirectly cause you to be killed. So if I, if I if I inject you with a poison that knocks down your immune system so your own parasites kill you, which I think is what's happening in many of these young men in the, and women in the military that have been out accumulating parasites during their duty overseas and in the jungles and, you know, creeping through Camp Lajeune and Fort Bragg and places like that. Dr Lee Merritt: And then we knock down that part of their immune system that now keeps their parasites and check boom, they die of parasites. And we call it cancer cuz we've been told that when you see these masses all over you, it's not, it's cancer or not, oh, we don't, we don't know what causes cancer, [00:32:00] but it's cancer. Dr Lee Merritt: We never look at, see if it's actually intracellular parasites. So that's one the whole line of, of thinking. But the these, that's what they do. And another thing is they have to tell you what they're going to do. So here's an interesting point cuz if I tell you what I'm going to do and then you make the choice to do it, it's not my fault. Dr Lee Merritt: You've chosen your path and you are responsible. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Are you talking about the poison? Yeah. Are you talking about the poison apple? What? Dr Lee Merritt: That's kinda like the poison apple expedition. So, so here's the deal. In, in, when, when they said to you there's a virus breaking out in, in Wuhan China, it's bad. It's killing people. Dr Lee Merritt: That virus has moved now to Lombardi and now the virus has come to America and the virus is doing this and the virus is doing that. These people understand language. Okay. They do word, it's Babylonian word, magic and money. Magic. And what does virus mean in Latin, it means toxin or poison. It does not mean an airborne particle that flies out and is somewhat [00:33:00] alive and goes to you and makes you sick. Dr Lee Merritt: That is not what virus means. It means poison. So they were right. There's a poison breaking out. Let's just re reiterate this. It's a poison breaking out in, in, in China and Lombardi and New York. And if we start looking at that, we won't be. The reason this is even important, it's not just an academic exercise, but if we keep believing that these things are unrelated, this talk of Marburg and then there was monkeypox, remember the Monkeypox even that they couldn't sell to a lot of people that would normally, that may have bought into this other vaccine that was so crazy. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, there's just all these different things they're now trying to tell you that are going to be coming on and it's gonna be the pa. We have a pandemic every two weeks at almost now. It's like we're worried about this now. We're worried about that now. Oh, I know what the fungus among us. Okay. I love that one. Dr Lee Merritt: The, the, the new fungus. It has a 60% fatality rate. Oh my gosh. Set your hair on fire. Be afraid until you read the CDC actual article. And at the very bottom it says, normal people [00:34:00] don't get fung this fungus. In other words, if you're normal immune system, you don't get it. The reason that they're telling you, trying to make you think that it's kind of natural is because they don't want to have to admit it's the vaccines knocking down your immune system. Dr Lee Merritt: And these people who have taken multiple vaccines are getting essentially vs vaccine aids vaccine induced or, you know, acquired immunodeficiency. And, and it, and, and that is exactly what happened to the AIDS victims. Remember first they were vaccinated in an experimental hepatitis B vaccine, and six months later in those same cities where the, the gay population volunteered for that study, the AIDS broke out in the gay populations. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay. And then they gave them a z t, which was a toxic drug. The, the people like Magic Johnson didn't take it. They just, you know, pretended to, I guess, for the money. But I know, I know somebody that treated him. He, he wasn't on it or isn't on it. And because it made him sick and he quit taking it right away. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay? So the people that are [00:35:00] smart, they're not, they didn't take that. And, and what happened is the people that took it though, it damaged their immune system further. And then they in the process of dying and all the bad things that happened to those poor guys, they they got Pneumocystic, Caria, one of these opportunistic fungi. Dr Lee Merritt: Fungi. So the fungus among us is an opportunistic thing that won't damage normal people. They have to, they have to get your immune system softened up first. This is the, Dr Lee Merritt: that's it. Dr Lee Merritt: Absolutely. Just, just being in lockdown. You know? Why do, why do we, and this, this, I'm gonna tell you, this is, I learned this from studying the 1918 faux pandemic also started at an army base. I mean, it was just, it had nothing to do with a, a, a non-existent virus. It had everything to do with electromagnetic wavelengths and [00:36:00] vaccines. Dr Lee Merritt: So the people that died were people that took the vaccines according to eyewitness reports on the ground. Okay? So yeah, that's what this is. This is, this is about the same. And they're doing every time they do that, if you notice, every time we have these, these. Kind of problems. Why do we have a winter death season? Dr Lee Merritt: And why did lockdown make make it worse? Because in the winter we're not getting sunlight. You know, you and I were lied to in medical school. I know. I I don't even have to ask you because I know that they didn't tell you this because they told us, oh, you're not plants. You don't get any direct energy from the sunlight. Dr Lee Merritt: I'm sure they told you that, right? It only from your food. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But what's wild is I just, I recently learned in the past few weeks that we have photoreceptors in almost every cell in our body, in our mitochondria. And you can do photo biomodulation where you can use a specific wavelength of, it's, it's in the infrared red spectrum. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And you can actually affect and heal mitochondria with a laser deep inside your body, like in the brain. You can penetrate [00:37:00] through the brain. Through, through the skull, the skin, everything. Dr Lee Merritt: And that's the basis of these infrared lasers, right? That do heart, they actually help you recover from heart attacks and things. Dr Lee Merritt: So this has been known, again, part of, you know, the Dark Cult. A cult just means hidden the dark cult of these people that run this show. They know these things. They know better how the world works, how our bodies work. They know we're wavelength, we are creatures of light. We're God's creation of by energy. Dr Lee Merritt: And we appear like this because we're caught in Satan's realm, in this reality situation where we're, we are real, we're, we're, we can be damaged, but. Infrared seems to be the answer. It's on the, the deaths photons. Remember, were ultraviolet. The other end of the spectrum, the infrared is what you get when you go out in the sun in the, in the summer, right? Dr Lee Merritt: You get a lot of infrared in radiation. And what that does is it charges literally, not just the mitochondria here, energy production, but it charges up the cells in your ba your battery's charge differentiation in all the [00:38:00] cells. So every cell in your body is filled with like gelatin. It's not water in a loose form, it's gel water, and you have a charge differential that helps you get rid of toxins. Dr Lee Merritt: You, you know, so the toxin comes in and your body will wall it off with, this has actually been very clearly proven up by Dr. Pollock up in, in, in Washington University, and it walls off the toxin with separation of charge and pushes it outta the cell, just like we would do in the lab with a gel electrophoresis. Dr Lee Merritt: That's how you know how things move. So, We, we, we, Dr Sam Sigoloff: one thing that I wanna, I wanna get to real quick is go back and look at my episode when we're filming this. It is not published, but by the time this comes out, it will be episode 79 with Dr Manuel Ricio and how he talks about chlorine dioxide. And I'm not saying you should take chlorine dioxide, but listen to how he explains it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Learn about it. See if it's right for you. Because what he says is that it, it, it, he says the same thing that we are energy and the chlorine dioxide balances that energy out. Whether you're [00:39:00] acidic or you're basic. Dr Lee Merritt: It has, it has something, whatever, whatever chlorine dioxide does. And I, I'm like you, I don't tell people to use it cuz I don't wanna go to jail. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay. They really wanna hide that one. But I do it, I take it myself every day. I'm on 10 drops a day. You don't start there. But that's, that's, I, I love it. And I never get sick traveling anymore, but I also live by the sun cycle because the problem is why do we have a winter flu season? We never used to have a winter flu season until we laid down the telegram lines. Dr Lee Merritt: So. The electrification of our ionosphere and our atmosphere has made a big difference. You know, flu used to break out around the world every decade or three decades, ba and it was completely the sun cycle. It happened when there was a high energy bo bolus from the sun. And in fact, not too long ago, we just had a burst. Dr Lee Merritt: One of those, I don't know, the g the, the astrophysicists call it something, it's some kind of sunburst that, that, that made a big flare. And, and I, and, and I had about 10 people say, Hey, I got a sudden cough. Do you think I'm getting covid? I said, no, you just got [00:40:00] flared on after about 10 called, I figured out what was going on. Dr Lee Merritt: So it still bothers us, but we don't notice it. In the winter though, what happens is not only are we in this hyper electric environment that we never used to be in, our ancestors never used to be in, made worse by things like windmills and all sorts of stuff, not just cell phones. But the second thing is yeah, at an arm's length away from you, I hope. Dr Lee Merritt: And the second thing is that we don't get out in the sun in the winter. So, We, our batteries literally over time get discharged and about by January the, the, the most frail people among us earlier in the season are gonna start getting sick and die because they've got toxins and now they can't expel them. Dr Lee Merritt: So our answer's not a vaccine. In fact, the vaccine makes it worse, right? You get the flu vaccine and then three months later people start dying. That's not also by accident. So what we have to realize is we can take charge of our own body and our own life by just living by the sun cycle. The infrared saunas are great in the winter, you know, in the summer, get out in the light.[00:41:00] Dr Lee Merritt: Other things along this line. How many people do you know? Now they're suddenly sun gazing, you know, take off your glasses and go out and literally stare at the sun. And I, I thought this sounded crazy cuz we are always taught in medical school, oh, that's gonna give you cataracts and damage your vision. Dr Lee Merritt: It turns out people that are doing this, including well-trained physicians are finding their, their over time, their vision is getting better. Now, don't go out and just stare at the sun for an hour. You're gonna burn your retina. But if you do it in a proper way and you start like doing it when the sun is, is not so bright, or it's in the morning or the evening, or you look through i, you do it through stippled trees and things, things you're get, there's a reason we're supposed to be getting that. Dr Lee Merritt: But they've told us we're sunglasses. Slather yourself with sunscreen. They don't want us to get sun exposure. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I think for the sun gazing, I've broached that subject briefly. I haven't had enough time to pour into it, but I believe the time that people do it is not midday sun. It's morning [00:42:00] when the sun's just coming up and evening when the sun's setting. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it has to do with gazing upon that, that long focal distance and it really calms you is what I hear. And you know, I live in Arizona now and it's, I'm pretty calm, like I can see and I can see forever and I don't feel claustrophobic. I lived in Alaska and in that tiny house where it's dark and it's dark all winter and it's dark inside. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And cuz the log cabins don't have adequate lighting. No matter how much you do it, it, it's, it's just so much more relaxing being here. Yeah. Dr Lee Merritt: Now it's funny, I'm multiple, I'm in Iowa and I moved back. When I retired from my spine practice, I moved back from Arizona to Iowa because I couldn't stand those perfectly sunny days Every day I had to have four seasons. Dr Lee Merritt: I had to have snow, I had to have some dark. So, you know, but, but I make sure now. That I have an infrared sauna in the house, in the, in the winter. And I use it, I mean, we didn't get sick the year of covid, cuz we just got in the infrared sauna every night. And you know, 20 minutes at 130 degrees, you don't have to spend your life in there.[00:43:00] Dr Lee Merritt: You can read in there, you can do things in there and, and you just, you'll start sweating. You'll start really feeling the effects, but it helps you get the toxins out and it helps you charge up your batteries. And that's what's, that's what's key. We are, we are electromagnetic beings. Now. The chlorine dioxide just happens to have, it's very interesting. Dr Lee Merritt: It's like God's miracle molecule because it has a very specific disci energy of dissociation. You know, it, it, like Clorox, everybody wants to call this bleach. It's not Clorox. Yes, it's an oxidizer, but it's also a, it'll corrode things because the, the energy of dissociation is very high. And if you look at all these different things that could be potentially used, like for sanitation, All of them except chlorine dioxide have a very high dissociative volt voltage, not chlorine dioxide. Dr Lee Merritt: So chlorine dioxide can be used and it doesn't, it doesn't do the bad things that you would think if you were drinking bleach. I mean, that's the point. People make a fun of it. It's not true. [00:44:00] But again, electromagnetics. So I think we should be looking at that as not only can they produce disease just with electromagnetism they've shown, but they can certainly be specific and they can target it. Dr Lee Merritt: And I have a, I don't know, do you wanna, have you heard of this guy? Let me see if I can find this video. Just really quick. I, I, cuz I keep forgetting his name. His name is Pierre Gilbert. Dr Sam Sigoloff: While you're looking for, Well, you're looking for that. Go. I wanna encourage the listener to the viewer to go back to, I think it's episode 54 that you and I did together when we talked about EMF and we got pretty deep into it really good information in that episode. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. And that's when we started talking about having the tri field meter and, and how you can avoid it. And I, and I, I don't know, I think I had, I knew about this and then, but the the EMF saw people, they have, they have bioassays to show their stuff works. Yes. That's same thing. Exactly. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And I, I have one on the back of my phone and I don't know if it's made a difference. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I put one on the house as well. I [00:45:00] will say that everyone in the house has just been a bit more calm. Dr Lee Merritt: No, I think it makes a huge difference sometimes on the house. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Like everyone was kind of on edge before and now everyone's just. Dr Lee Merritt: And that is the simple, the, the on being on edge is one of the symptoms that they understood back in the 18 hundreds when they called it neurasthenia. Dr Lee Merritt: That's what neurasthenia was. It was associated with the electrification. It was otherwise called telegraph disease because people that were working in the telegram offices in the 18 hundreds and in underneath the telegram lines, like conductors on trains, they all started getting this nervous jitteryness. Dr Lee Merritt: Not all of them, but some of them. And it's somewhat genetically. I mean, some people are more susceptible, but they found if they took a big long twist on the telegram line of the copper wire, it went away or pretty much got better. So yeah, I think you're completely right by saying it's probably calmed your family down in the house. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Another thing that's interesting that kind of goes along with this, but it's a, it's a different topic that, of an episode that will be published by the time this [00:46:00] one comes out, but it's where I talk with flat Earth Dave and we talk about the Corliss effect and the he's, he. Says that the reason the Corola effect is around the equator is because the sun is, listen to it, it's gonna sound crazy. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And me talking about it, he gives very good evidence and he's got pictures and, and graphics and all this, but he says that the sun is much, much, much closer than we think it is. It's, it looks like it's right there because it is right there. And as it goes through the air, over the equator, and as the moon goes over the air, over the equator, it, it causes an electromagnetic wake in its path. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And he said, you know, just like when you take your hand through water, there's. Two vortexes on either side of it. Dr Lee Merritt: Wow. Yeah. I, I, I have to say the flat earth guys, they make some good arguments. They really do make some good arguments. My problem is, and I don't think, by the way, I'm, I'm with them on the scam of nasa. Dr Lee Merritt: As I said earlier, NASA is a black, but that doesn't mean we [00:47:00] didn't go to the moon using different technology. So the question I have for you is is he, does he believe in aliens that come from other places in the universe? Dr Sam Sigoloff: We didn't talk about aliens at all actually, cuz I think he wanted to keep it YouTube friendly so that it doesn't get yanked off a YouTube. Dr Sam Sigoloff: We did talk about the moon, we did talk about nasa. Dr Lee Merritt: Now aliens will get you new Dr Sam Sigoloff: challenger in particular. I'm, I'm, I'm just questioning aliens now will get you off YouTube. I don't know. I don't know. I just got, I didn't in. My interview with Kirk, with Dr. Kirk Moore got yanked off within two days, and that was just him telling his personal story of what happened. Dr Sam Sigoloff: No treatment, no, this, that or the other. No. Covid misinformation. Dr Lee Merritt: I've been meaning to call him. Yeah. Yeah. You sent me the information. I I really want to interview him. That guy has really a good story. Yeah. He's a hero. Yeah, he is. It's he's a hero. Well, and it is. That's why I'm saying it's very interesting. Dr Lee Merritt: So he must be saying something that is really damaging to [00:48:00] them or that it's, it's, it, it's provable in such a way that they don't want it to be out there. Because that was my experience. One of the things that kind of woke me up is that I didn't, I'm according to Steve Ksh, he says I'm the only person he knows. Dr Lee Merritt: It got demonetized from ck but it wasn't about talking about genetics or CRISPR dna, n a modification or r n a vaccines. It was when I started talking about that these are wavelength weapons. Not, not r n a weapons. That's when it got me. They, they literally sent the money back to my subscribers, thousands of dollars. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. So it wasn't just a random Oh, your credit check didn't go through. Or, you know, I mean, you could say, oh yeah, I know you didn't have a PayPal account or something. No, I did. I did. But they, PayPal, I got, I got demonetized from PayPal long before I tried to be on ck. So it's interesting. I mean that, so, so he must be speaking words that are dangerous to them. Dr Lee Merritt: That's what you gotta conclude there. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, you have to remember, he was indicted for destruction of government property. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:00] But that, that, again, as growing up in the Vietnam generation that used to put you on front news as a hero. Oh, you know, Daniel Berrigan and the you know, the Pentagon Papers and all that kind of stuff were taken down the army Vietnam effort that used to be You were a hero to do that now. No, Dr Sam Sigoloff: and he saved lives. He saved children's lives, and they had a sting operation to figure this out. It's just, it's mind boggling. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Absolutely. And, and yeah, I have to talk with him because it's interesting. I mean, that, that took guts to do that. To just not give, to pretend to give the vaccine and not give the vaccine. Dr Sam Sigoloff: So, and, and for anyone out there who's like, oh what about the parents? They paid for? The parents knew a hundred percent what he was doing. This was what they wanted because they didn't want their child to get this poison shot. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that part, but I was pretty sure that was probably true because if you're an ethical physician, you are going to [00:50:00] give informed consent. Dr Lee Merritt: Why did you get into trouble trying to give informed consent? Right. How did Pete Chambers get, get canned informed consent? They didn't want us actually looking into what we had to know to do informed consent. And that's why at the end of the day when we talk about what's in these vaccines, everybody should keep in mind that they still don't tell us what's in them. Dr Lee Merritt: We still don't have any official notice by Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, anybody telling us what are the actual things in here, right? Dr Sam Sigoloff: The things that we know are in there are, are bad enough. These, these lipid nanoparticles that they say are in there, those are disastrous. They're not validated for human use. Dr Lee Merritt: Right? And they knew they were disastrous in 2018, but then that literature went black. So you went quiet cuz they were gonna weaponize it. Yeah. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, I found a patent from 2014 that showed they were disastrous. That they sh, that they caused disseminated intravascular coagulation or dic. They caused autoimmune disorders. Dr Sam Sigoloff: They caused all these [00:51:00] problems in 2014. Dr Lee Merritt: Yes. Yeah, they, they knew. And that's, if you, again, it's very interesting cuz I went back and read that old literature, and, and you probably know this, but just for your listeners, that if you read the, the, the vaccine literature, they say, oh, these cat lipids are great. Dr Lee Merritt: They, they help stimulate the immune system and we don't see a lot of problems with them. But then you read the cancer and the basic science guy's literature about this stuff and they say, they say, yeah, you know, there's potential to use all this stuff for, for medical dosing and this cation, but these cationic lipids are so toxic and we just can't seem to work it out. Dr Lee Merritt: And then all of that literature gets quiet after 2018. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That's one thing that, that the medical community seems to think that, oh, we made antibodies, it must be good. Well, scarlet fever is also antibodies. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, yeah. No antibodies. Antibodies are your body trying to react to something that's toxic. Yeah. And, and honestly, if you really start looking at the [00:52:00] history of vaccines, it, the whole thing was corrupt. Dr Lee Merritt: And, and I started, I, I'm sorry. I vaccinated my kids when they were little. You know, again, I, I wouldn't do it again, but I believed in all this stuff. That's what they told. And, and he, I, I believed it. Even though, even though I remember in 1976, my pediatric professor of medic pediatrics in, at the University of Rochester, he got up in front of the class. Dr Lee Merritt: This is when you're doing your pre-clinicals, and he said, and he showed us the graphs of the decrease in death in America. From, from vaccine of childhood diseases, and it was minuscule by the time they instituted, for example, the measles vaccine, the kids weren't dying of measles. It was extremely rare, like 200 a year, 250 a year. Dr Lee Merritt: So and, and, and, and we can now show if you give people vitamin A, vitamin D give 'em a better diet. But what his comment was is

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We did a full workup center for the appropriate tests. I never saw her back. I did receive a letter about a month and a half later from the Texas Medical Board. Dr. Eric Hensen: They were investigating me for not wearing a mask, of course was a surprise to me cause I didn't think that I had to wear one in my own office. I'm in PR practice. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where He can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for joining me again. I wanna first thank my Patreon supporters Shell Pace at the Self-made $50 [00:01:00] level. I have Sam and Angela Sheey at the $20 and 20 cents. We have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents Tier with Ty Charles Tinfoil. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Stanley, Dr. Anna, who is a guest on this show, Frank, we have a self-made $10 level with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned at $5 with Lin, Linda, Emmy, Joe Patten, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, and the courage is contagious at $1. Amanda J sps, Nancy Dorell, Susan. BB King, who is a guest. And Rick, thank you so much for, for supporting, for giving me help. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I try to get these episodes out to y'all much sooner than everyone else gets to see them, so you get some early access. Today I have a wonderful guest. I have Eric Henson, and what's really unique about his case is, I've spoke to a doctor who's, who is being indicted for, for destruction of government property. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well Dr. Henson actually lost his medical license for a period of time in the state [00:02:00] of Texas, which is allegedly a red, what people think is a red state. But what I've learned over the past few years is that it is, it is not conservative. There is very little conservatism in the state of Texas. So, sir, wonderful having you on. Dr. Eric Hensen: I appreciate being here. Thanks for having me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Tell us some of your story. What happened? How did, how did the whole thing Dr. Eric Hensen: unfold? So, back in 2020 when this so-called pandemic, which I refer to as the scam started, it was in the spring when things were starting to roll. The Governor of Texas being Greg Abbott issued a mask mandate. Dr. Eric Hensen: And that proceeded to go for about four months or so until it got dropped in the, in the fall. But during that time, in July of 20, I saw a patient in the office for balance issues both dizziness and vertigo and So what ended up happening is, is [00:03:00] that we did a full workup and sent her for the appropriate tests. Dr. Eric Hensen: I never saw her back. I did receive a letter about a month and a half later from the Texas Medical Board indicating that they were investigating me for not wearing a mask. Which of course was a surprise to me cause I didn't think that I had to wear one in my own office, which is I'm in PR practice. Dr. Eric Hensen: The reason that this individual came to me is I'm an ear, nose, and throat and head neck surgeon, and I obviously treat balance disorders. So what ended up happening is we responded to. Indicating that that, you know, it was not appropriate for me to wear a mask. I cannot examine patients who wear masks because of my specialty. Dr. Eric Hensen: We also explained that in our county we had less than 20 cases. And per the, per the mandate, if you had less than 20 cases you were not required to wear one. Which obviously went nowhere. And so we ended up having lawyers involved, which, you know, we were going back and forth with the medical board. Dr. Eric Hensen: [00:04:00] Unfortunately, during that time, my attorney at the time, his father had a hemorrhagic stroke and ended up being the hospital, so was spending time to. We missed what, what they indicated was some sort of deadline and we tried to tell 'em that, you know, my lawyer is tied up with this. You're gonna have to get more time for us to respond to what I refer to as ridiculous, you know, charges. Dr. Eric Hensen: And they subsequently ignored that. And I was brought to, I was called to a meeting in the spring of 21, I believe it was in may. And during that time they asked me what, you know, why I did what I did. And prior to that we had submitted probably 50 years of science and I went through the. What it was, why we did it and, and everything. Dr. Eric Hensen: And of course this is my to borrow friend's phrase. This is my sandbox. This is where I play. And so I went through everything and the only physician that was on the [00:05:00] board, oddly enough, was an obstetrician, which is ridiculous because he is not even an doctor, even a little bit. Other than being a surgeon, he had no clue what he was talking about within my area. Dr. Eric Hensen: I, you know, here, here we're. So within about five minutes after they went and deliberated they came back and said, you're guilty. You didn't follow our mandate and, and a rule, and we don't care about the science. We don't care about your patients. And they actually said that too, which I was shocked. Dr. Eric Hensen: So we ended up fighting it for about. Three or four months pushing it around. We ended up getting hold of an attorney who used to work for the medical board. We thought we've got somebody here that's got some inside baseball. He'll go ahead and. Prior to them sensing me or, or, or giving me my punishment which was a $500 fine. Dr. Eric Hensen: Do CMEs outside my specialty, retake the jurisprudence test and then go ahead with and then they put on my [00:06:00] website that I was an unprofessional doctor and I deceive my patients, which is what really torque me cuz it was affecting them, the business. So prior to them doing that you had this Shelly Luther case in Texas where the hairdresser lady got put in jail for trying to keep her business open and trying to make a living. Dr. Eric Hensen: Well, the governor subsequently rescinded not only the mandate, but also all penalties, which should have wiped everything down. But the medical board would not stop. I mean, they came hard. So in, in October they threatened to not only report me to the National Practitioner's Bank, they report they were threatened to take me to court and then go after my license. Dr. Eric Hensen: So we I made a judgment call to extend this out as far as I could because I couldn't lose the practice. I wouldn't be able to fight. I would've no income, had no money. I wouldn't be able to get my license at any other state. So we cite a document, which was an a non-disciplinary meeting. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What does it mean when they report you to the NA National Practitioner Data Bank? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What does that mean for the [00:07:00] layperson? Dr. Eric Hensen: So basically what that is, is a clearing house for all of us, yourself included, where if you do something wrong, you get suspended, you get in trouble for something felonies, whatever, have it. They report you to it. And then now insurance companies other states have access to it where you may have licenses. Dr. Eric Hensen: And then what they do is that they can use that against you, which is what they're doing to me right now. One of my insurances has dropped me and we're fighting to get it back because it obviously has nothing to do with medical or surgical. And of course the lawyers are involved and we're writing letters to try to get that taken care of. Dr. Eric Hensen: They also I have, I have multiple licenses in other states. And I've had to explain to them what this is about. I'm sure they, I'm sure it's a joke to them because it's over a mask that nobody wants. In particular, it was Florida, which is where we, you know, where Governor DeSantis thinks that this is all a crock. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so that is a, that's a big bruise and a big black eye and a lot of physicians. Cuz once you get it there, it's virtually impossible to get everything cleaned up though. [00:08:00] We'll use this to our advantage, I believe in court. Cause they had no right to do it. It was a non-disciplinary. Action what what they supposedly tagged me with, and it didn't even exist at the time that they did tag me for this. Dr. Eric Hensen: So with all that being said, in the once I didn't fulfill their all their agreement that I said I would do, We had another meeting in April of this year, a couple weeks ago, and they wanted, again, know why I didn't do it. I explained to 'em, you know, I'm in a private practice. We do not have time for this. Dr. Eric Hensen: I don't think it's right. We explain the law, we explained everything that this is. I have a right as a physician to make a judgment call on what I do. Regarding you know, my medical practice, as long as it's within the standard of care and is not hurting anybody, you and I as physicians have a right to make that, and that's a law and it's well documented in, in case law, especially in Texas. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so we, we presented that [00:09:00] and all they said to me is that we don't care. You didn't follow our, you know, what you signed the, the document you signed to, to do it. And what was even more of a joke, like the first meeting we had is the physician that was on there wasn't a head and neck surgeon, wasn't a pulmonologist, was no airway person at all. Dr. Eric Hensen: He actually asked me, how do you, you know, he said, well, you say that masks do harm. And I said, yeah, they do harm. And he said, well, how do they do harm? Explain that to me. And I was frightened by that comment. Because we had already given them, you know, decades of, of science. I now went back even a hundred years to the Spanish flu pandemic. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I went through everything. I went through all the articles from ran, ran court to Mehan to Russell Blaylock article. And then of course the Cochran Report, which was just recently came out, which was supposed to be published in early 2020, which would've put all this to bed. But Bill Gates had donated, I believe, 1.5 million to that, to the Cochran report. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so the [00:10:00] editor held up the the report being published which was, I think research was done by Jefferson and his colleagues. So subsequently they deliberated for about two minutes, came back and said, we'll, suspend your license because you didn't do anything that you asked to do. A couple, three days later, some things got done, lawyers got involved. Dr. Eric Hensen: And as of the following Monday, I received my license back. I was subsequently back at the hospital operating. But unfortunately the following week, I'm now suspended from that hospital because of everything that happened. Even though it has nothing to do with medical or surgical, nothing. It's over a mask that I'm right on and the literature backs me up and the law backs me up. Dr. Eric Hensen: So this is, this is the overreach of government. Why, you know, myself, you and other physicians have to fight so hard. Cause if they get, if they're allowed to do this, there's no, there's no going back. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. First they come for us and they control us and they, they [00:11:00] use the chilling effect to silence people like you and me so that no doctor ever speaks their mind, and then we never get the truth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then everyone is a controlled sheep. Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I've been, I've had people go after me for the for telling people not to get the shot. My background may be like yours too. My background is in molecular biology, and so I did a lot of genetic work and I remember, you know, all, everything that was going on. Dr. Eric Hensen: We were doing studies back in the eighties. On all of this, and when this was starting to come out, I warned everybody, do not get this. This is not a vaccine, this is genetic therapy, and we don't know where those genes are gonna go once they're starting to be made and now you're seeing the damage for it. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I had a gentleman yesterday in my office that I normally take off in occasional skin cancer here and there. He now has chronic lymphocytic leukemia, which is now a known problem with the shot. I've got articles on that. He's now got tumors all over his skin everywhere. Squamous cell, [00:12:00] basil, you name it, he's got it. Dr. Eric Hensen: He's lost probably about 90 pounds since the last time I saw him, and that was probably four months ago. This man is an absolute wreck and he's had five shots. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow, that's just incredible. You know, in, in a declaration that I made for the, for Senator Ron Johnson about the DMed data in there I put some information about a patent that I found from 2014 where they used, it was a slightly different nomenclature back then. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They didn't call it lipid nanoparticles, but they were long chain hydrocarbons, which are the same thing, and they saw that it suppressed the immune system. Well, this is what happens when you suppress the immune system. You get cancers, you get parasites, you get infections, you get all these terrible things. Dr. Eric Hensen: Well, and that's exactly what happened. I tried to tell my patients, I talked about the toll lake receptors three and four, which is your monitoring system for cancer, and then toll lake receptor seven and eight, which are for infection, which you just mentioned. When I tell, I tell [00:13:00] people I, I liken the, to like receptor part of our immune system to that of an alarm system for your, for your immune system. Dr. Eric Hensen: Basically, if that's turned off, these things will run rampant. You no longer have anything monitoring in your body and you're starting to see the damage from this. I've got people showing up that have infections all around their mouth. We got herpes. I've got fungal infections that are just out of, no in ru otherwise healthy people. Dr. Eric Hensen: What I'm also seeing now is a lot of oral cancer that is H P B positive, which is, you know, and we test that when, when we do biopsies, we get what's called a a P 16 and what we're seeing now is an increase in hpv squamous cell carcinoma in the head and neck. Which would be secondary to turning off the ability to eat, monitor cancer, but also for viruses, which is the toll-like receptor. Dr. Eric Hensen: It's, this is an absolute disaster. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they knew this back in 2014 when that patent was made. And, and even d i c disseminated, intravascular coagulation was, was found in there. [00:14:00] Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah. In fact, I have stuff from 2000 and I think in 2001 and 2002, where they were doing studies with this particular type of therapy and not one animal survived the study. Dr. Eric Hensen: All of them died. Half of 'em died within the first, I think few days. The other half were sterilized and the rest of 'em subsequently succumb to the to disease after. So we know that this is we know this is not working, and, and we knew it back then. That was 20 years ago. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, you know, we talk about the genetic therapy, which is a problem, but I think that's half or less of the problem. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think the other half or more than half is these lipid nanoparticles. They're not validated for human use. And that's, Nope, that's the problem I'm having is I, I actually have a meeting before the Texas Med Board because I was unprofessional and gave misleading information, which is straight from the safety data sheet from the manufacturer that says that these are not validated for human use. Dr. Eric Hensen: And you'll bring that to [00:15:00] 'em, just like what they're doing to you. They're doing to me. Same thing. Unprofessional. You're deceiving your patients. And this is, these are just terms or phrases that they use to get you and how, and how they go after people. And I think, you know, talking to the people, I've been doing some of the investigator investigative reporters and even when I was on Glen Beck I brought all this stuff up and this is, this needs to be brought to light because the, the medical board is actually outta control. Dr. Eric Hensen: I don't know if you're familiar with Bob. He's a senator. He's not my senator. Oddly enough, my own senator has never. Contacted me. But my point is, is that it's, it's a resource for you to call Bob Hall who has actually been fighting the medical board. I actually think they hate him more than they hate me. Dr. Eric Hensen: And they, they just it just, it's out of control. And these people need to be slapped down. They are not, they're, they're not serious people. I have yet to run into a doctor. At that board, that is a, in my [00:16:00] specialty, probably not into yours and would have any, have any idea what's going on. They just get appointed, they get there. Dr. Eric Hensen: It's something to put on their resume. And they make these judgment calls based on these silly rules that they come up with, or these, these man these mandates that, that politicians come up with. It, it something humorous. I had a patient yesterday in my office contact the governor's office and asked for Dr. Dr. Eric Hensen: Abt and, you know, the person answered the phone and said, well, doc, or governor Abbott is not a doctor. He said, well, then why did he make this man a mask mandate? And override my own physician, Dr. Henson's, you know authority on masks. I mean, this is how silly this has gotten. So technically these people are practicing medicine without a license where you and I, you know, do have licenses. Dr. Eric Hensen: We went to school, we passed all of our resident or our we did residencies, and we passed all of our boards. And I still don't understand why we have. State medical boards that have to grant us our license. I don't get my, I I, they had nothing to do with me getting my medical license, getting my residency and [00:17:00] passing my boards. Dr. Eric Hensen: I, I don't understand why we have these. I refer to 'em as basically money laundering or a shakedown. That's why that's they get money from us for no reason. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. And they're, they're like the gpo they, they gave nothing in, but yet they can take everything away. They can limit our life, liberty, and property without due process. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's exactly what's happening to me. And it already happened to you. Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah. And, and in fact, that's, and, and that's, I mean, they're, they are, They're going after your first and your Ninth amendments. And I, and I highly recommend if, and I'm sure you and your lawyers already know this, but we're going after for going after my first amendment, right? Dr. Eric Hensen: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of well it used to be life, liberty, pursuit of property. Now they say happiness, but it's actually property originally, you know, and then of course the ninth Amendment. And it, it's unbelievable that they have this there is now some groundswell of. Going after the Federation of State Medical Boards because they are not a government agency and to, and what they're doing is they're going between, you [00:18:00] know, the specialty boards and the federation, and that's a RICO violation. Dr. Eric Hensen: So if we can get multiple doctors in multiple things in multiple states, we can go after this and bring these down, bring these people down once and for all. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That'd be great to be able to do that, to get the Ricoh Act. Because that's what they are. They're, they're racketeering, they're, they're not using rule of law. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're just a, a bunch of thugs. Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah. They come up with these rules that they're not based on anything. And you and I have to base all what we do in science. Everything has to be done. And, and even when I go to surgery, I have to go over the criteria for surgery. Why I'm making this call, what are the risks and benefits? Dr. Eric Hensen: And I, and I'll explain to him where it all comes from and why I have criteria. And this criteria is based in, in a lot of studies and a lot of research. They just come up with things and they came up with this mass thing, or they came up with this supposed, you know, vaccine, which it's not in an experimental gene therapy shot that we now know is killing people and [00:19:00] causing ex exceedingly large amounts of morbidity and yet nobody wants to turn this thing off. Dr. Eric Hensen: It is shocking to me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what's helped you change the tie to at least get your license back even though you're now suspended at a hospital that you were practicing at? Dr. Eric Hensen: So what ended up happening, they wanted me to do the, they, they wanted me to do three things. Well, they took $500 from me right away, which that irritated me. Dr. Eric Hensen: No end. But then they wanted me to take the jurisprudence test, which did get magically done, and then they wanted some CMEs. But prior to us doing any of this or getting that information to them, they changed the rules at the very end, which I think being on Glenn Beck probably helped. What they said was, is that okay if you just do the Jewish prudence test? Dr. Eric Hensen: We'll give your license back within within 24 hours. So what ended up happening is I had my lawyer call a lawyer at the Texas Medical Board, who, I'm not sure if he's still there, but his father is a physician. So he was somewhat understanding of, of the ridiculousness of this. And he talked with that [00:20:00] particular attorney at the board and said, okay, if he just does this, we'll give him his license back. Dr. Eric Hensen: Well, what the clowns did is they went ahead and still reported it to everything, which is now what's causing most of the damage. Including the hospital. The hospital's mad because they said you operated without a license, which I didn't. We did a screenshot on Wednesday, which was my surgical day showing at 10 o'clock in the morning or thereabouts. Dr. Eric Hensen: My license was still intact as per the Texas Medical Board website, so I had every right to do it, and I was going to operate because I had a gentleman that we admitted to the hospital the night before. For coagulation therapy. He is in renal, excuse me, in kidney failure. I'm sorry. Liver failure, he has cirrhosis. Dr. Eric Hensen: So in order for me to do the the operation, we had to get him on fresh, frozen plasma and platelets and whatnot. So we met him the night before. So because he had a growth in his airway, which was narrowing his airway. So I, I, you know, I moved forward with what was right for the patient. As of the following day, my license had not been [00:21:00] suspended per their, their medical board. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so we went forward. Well, what ended up happening is the hospital said, well, you operated knowing that your license was suspended. No, it wasn't. There was no clarification. The medical board has two things that they were doing. If you were a danger to your patients in society, then they were taken immediately. Dr. Eric Hensen: If there was a, a reason, like say you didn't do CMEs, you didn't do the jurisprudence test, whatever, then there would be a, a draw down to get rid of it, especially for a surgical practice. And so we had called him immediately and said, we need a clarification on this because he has this case tomorrow, plus other ones and whether or not to proceed. Dr. Eric Hensen: And we, we didn't get a call back. So we have all this documentation that we tried to give 'em a call, but no one called me back. And so we went ahead and moved forward based on what had been, what the historical information was and the fact that they had not on my on the profile, on my, on the Texas Medical [00:22:00] Board website, I was still, my license was still intact. Dr. Eric Hensen: So, The hospital of course lost their mind and said, oh, you couldn't do this. You shouldn't have operated. But we proved to 'em that I still had a license at the time. So, but they didn't the following week. Then they said, well, we're gonna suspend you now. Well, you can't suspend me now because if you suspend me because I was a danger, then that wasn't the case. Dr. Eric Hensen: You shouldn't let me operate last week, and they shouldn't have suspended me now because all my license and my insurance and everything is intact now. So what are you suspending me for? And we've sent 'em letters and a lawyer sent 'em a letter and they haven't responded. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You had mentioned you took the jurisprudence test and if I remember correctly, isn't that test it's not inexpensive, isn't it? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Isn't it about a thousand dollars? Dr. Eric Hensen: I, I don't know what the cost was at the time. I know the first time I took it, it was around that much. And when I took it several years ago, you couldn't do it online. Now you can do it online. When I did, I, I actually got sequestered. I had to go into a testing center and they put us in a [00:23:00] little room in cubicle and they had people in there monitoring it, which was just ridiculous. Dr. Eric Hensen: Now you can take it online everything was done through the office. As far as what the cost was, and you bring up a good point because the largest fine that the Texas Medical Board, based on all these things that they're going after me for and you for is a thousand dollars. That's it. And I guarantee it. Dr. Eric Hensen: I am way past a thousand dollars on what this has costed me so far. So they have way stepped over their boundaries and what they are supposed to do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I'm in the 70 K range so far with no end in sight in that, about to grow exponentially very quickly because I'm fighting the Texas Med Board. Dr. Eric Hensen: I haven't even gotten my lawyer bill from the first lawyer. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I can tell you the first round was 25, 30,000. And, you know, having a brand new practice that I took over that, you know, and, and I live in a rural community and I like it. Don't get me wrong, I, it's great to be here. The people are great. The people are very [00:24:00] supportive of what's going on. What I'm not getting support on, unfortunately, is the local the local medical community. Dr. Eric Hensen: And, and I understand that they're afraid. They see what happened to me, but they're not willing to stand up and, and that's how they get us. They get us because they scare doctors into doing what they want. And I just, I don't have that gene in me. It just irritated me. No end that my patients were being harmed by these things, including kids. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I've got all kinds of articles on what they do from causing infection to causing cancer recurrent disease. There's that article that was published last year out of a study in Kansas where counties that wore masks versus counties that didn't wear masks, there was a 50% increase in death in the counties that wore masks. Dr. Eric Hensen: Now, granted, it was an observational study, which is not my favorite, but 50% is a huge number, and that's a hard one to ignore. So, I bring this stuff up, but nobody seemed to care and I warned everybody in 2021 that this would [00:25:00] happen. You're gonna make things worse by wearing these things, and they completely ignored me. Dr. Eric Hensen: And said, Nope, we don't care. Here's our thing. So here, here you and I are trying to defend our patients and do what's right, and, and, and from what I know about your story, you did absolutely what was right and I was in a position where I didn't have to give the shot. I could only. Recommend that they don't. Dr. Eric Hensen: I wrote several letters on why not to give the shot. I went through all the pathophysiology, I went through everything about it, and I did have one letter get rejected by a state agency, which is ridiculous because here in Texas we have something called the Texas Workforce Commission, and you cannot you cannot force somebody to take the, you know, take, get it. Dr. Eric Hensen: And you can't keep them from getting a job. The governor tried to pass a rule stating that you can't, you know, fire somebody for not getting the shot and you can't and you can't prevent somebody from getting a job, let alone get rid of them. And it, it got it never made it out of committee, I was told.[00:26:00] Dr. Eric Hensen: And the one senator that actually, or one of the senators that led the charge and not doing it, was a conservative, supposedly, and oddly enough, he's my senator. And I found that out through some other senators that were just flabbergasted. Cause this would've put this to bed. Nobody had to get the shot, nobody had to lose their job. Dr. Eric Hensen: And now we've got people losing their lives. I have a nephew of one of my patients, he's 19 years old. He needs a heart. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's, that's what I was saying earlier is that, you know, we think Texas is a red state, but there's nothing read about it because the alleged, many of the alleged, you know, republicans or conservatives or constitutionalists don't stand up and fight and to be silent in the face of evil is evil itself. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and those, to those doctors in your community. I will say it because I'm saying it to all the doctors in all the communities, in all of our areas because. They're cowards if they're not standing up for what's right. And true. And what the science is is clearly demonstrating they are cowards. Dr. Eric Hensen: [00:27:00] Well, yeah. Dr. Eric Hensen: And, and, and you bring up an excellent point way back when when maybe when I started I don't know how many years you've been out, but I've been out for, I dunno, close to 30 years now, but Most physicians were independent or they worked independently. Now you have physicians that are working for corporations large hospital systems. Dr. Eric Hensen: So they've got what's called the golden handcuffs. They're afraid to say anything, and if they say something, then they either get, they lose their job or they get disciplined in some way. And that's how they're controlling everybody. But you're right, they are cowards. They won't stand up. And if physicians all got together, it would be great, but. Dr. Eric Hensen: You know, getting physicians to do anything, it's like hurting cats. It's just, it's virtually impossible and it's, it's kind frightening that, that physicians have, have fallen this far to the point where they. Dr. Eric Hensen: So, but yeah, the, the it's just, it's just ridiculous where physicians are now with [00:28:00] you. They should be, all of us should be standing together, but more importantly, we should be standing for our patients. And the fact that we don't do that is incredible. You know, whenever you do a procedure, I do a procedure. Dr. Eric Hensen: We have to do informed consent, but we don't do that. Nobody does that anymore. It's incredible. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, just the informed consent by itself is, is the biggest issue you could imagine. Now I'm in a different school of thought at this point with all I've learned about these shots is that no one should get them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I believe they're a bio weapon in part developed by China. And for any new listeners, reviewers, go check out episode 33 that I did, where I show you all the public source documentation of how it's a bio weapon developed in part by China. But at the very minimum, we should all agree on informed consent. Dr. Eric Hensen: Exactly, and you shouldn't force somebody to put something in their body that they don't want, and you shouldn't certainly hold their ability to make a living like I e get a job or go travel. I've got several people that because they wanted to travel or they wanna go on [00:29:00] vacation, or they wanted to go see somebody get married or what have you. Dr. Eric Hensen: They went and got the shot and now they're regretting it because they're sick as hell or they've got some sort of autoimmune problem or they developed cancer. One of my patients she wanted to go somewhere and now she has base of tongue cancer. No history of smoking, no drinking, nothing otherwise healthy. Dr. Eric Hensen: Not even on any medication. Shows up. She's got a mass at the ba, invasive. Her tongue. I find it, biopsy it, it's positive and it's, it's secondary to hpv. Which would be consistent with what this shot does to the immune system in particular toll, like receptor seven and eight. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. It's just, it's absolutely insane what's going on in this world. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing that I've discovered is people who want to, to move to, to immigrate to America legally United States is requiring them to get the covid shot. Dr. Eric Hensen: I don't even know how that Yeah, yeah. We'll let anybody in the [00:30:00] country for any reason. But you can't come unless you get the shot that that's ins, that's Russian willette to me. It's just, you can't do it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You live in a border state and so like, they're letting men of war fighting age come across bringing all sorts of drugs that will kill, you know, hundreds of thousands of people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And yet if you wanna come over legally, we gotta get, you get jabbed. Dr. Eric Hensen: Mm-hmm. Sure. My wife's from the other country. She's actually from South America, and it's incredible. I mean, she, she can tell you horror stories about what it's like to be in these other countries and these people wanna come here, you know, to get a better life. Dr. Eric Hensen: And this is what we're doing. It's, it's ridiculous. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, is there any El anything else that you wanna leave us with? Any warnings, any places where we can get more information from you or where people can contribute to you and your, your legal fees? Dr. Eric Hensen: Sure. We, we do have a gift and go, it's, it's at gift and go. Dr. Eric Hensen: Stop me [00:31:00] Medical tyranny. And certainly like you and us, you know, we're, you know, we're just being outspent. And, you know, legal fees are piling up. So what anybody can, can donate would be great. The one thing that I'll warn everybody that, that wa that follows you and watches these podcasts is that today it's me and you. Dr. Eric Hensen: Tomorrow could be them. And they need to understand that they're coming. They're coming for everybody unless you fall into line and do what they want. They will come after you. And that's not the America that you and I grew up with. You know, we're Americans are independent, we're free thinkers. And for us to fall into this group think that's all bad. Dr. Eric Hensen: And people better, better really start paying attention because they are coming. And the elites think that they can control everybody. They can't. And thank God there's people like you and other physicians myself included, that are standing up and saying, whoa, there, there's something really wrong here. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I, I, I kind of make the analogy to the [00:32:00] movie that, and since it's a newer movie called Legend, where the beginning of the movie starts with we've, we've solved the pro, we've solved cancer. Take this shot, and next thing you know, everybody's a zombie. And so when I tell Shot, didn't you see the movie? Dr. Eric Hensen: Jokingly, of course, but I mean this is all bad. And so people that are listening to you and I better pay attention because they will be coming for them next. Today it's you and I, tomorrow it's them. And they better pay attention. And they better hope that you and I prevail in the court system and that we can tear this down and get back to doing what you and I were trained to do is take care of people. Dr. Eric Hensen: Cause ultimately, you and I work for our patients, not the other way around. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Precisely. I don't, even though I'm employed by the US government, I work for my patient, I have whatever, it would be equivalent to a fiduciary duty to my patient, not to the government. I don't do their bidding. I'm not their henchman. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I protect the patient. I first do no harm and protect my patient. Dr. Eric Hensen: Exactly. We [00:33:00] swore that oath and I'm amazed at how many physicians have forgotten that and maybe they forgot it because of the golden handcuffs or because they don't wanna lose their their way of life. And that's fine, but I, you know, I gotta get up in the morning and I gotta look at that person in the mirror. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I can't do that to patients. I just can't. And these things were bad. The shots are horrible. The masks were horrible and, I mean, this whole thing has just been a disaster. And hopefully it, it enough people have been woken up where they, they'll now start fighting back and saying, this has got to change. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I remember a couple months into this talking to a pediatrician that specialized in autism and development, and I was inquiring of him and his way of thought and asking him about masks, and he's like, yeah, I think it's fine. Don't worry about it. It won't cause any problems. Dr. Eric Hensen: No, I mean, there's plenty of articles that show that [00:34:00] mass decrease oxygen when you decrease oxygen in a child. The organs are developing including the brain at an accelerated rate. So you're gonna retire development. The other thing you're gonna retire is there's no facial features and that's how kids learn. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so we probably have lost a couple of generations due to this, this absolute joke of, of a, of, I, I don't even know. I don't even know what it's called. I call it the scam demic, cuz that's what it is. There's no reason for this. The Russell Bla Blaylock in one of his most recent articles wrote that the CDC was forced to admit that only 10,500 people have actually died from the, the actual virus. Dr. Eric Hensen: And that is far less than we lose from influenza, which is between 60 to 80,000 people per year. Hell, in Texas alone. Back in 2017, 2018, there was a real pandemic, I believe it was between 10 and 12,000 people died, which included a lot of kids. But never, no mind that. Why didn't we wear a mask then? Well, because we knew that they didn't work.[00:35:00] Dr. Eric Hensen: The mask was, was for no other reason than it was a political stunt by the governor. He should never have done it. But he wanted to do something, I guess. But sometimes the best treatment is no treatment, or the best move is no move. And unfortunately, nobody has learned that yet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you, sir for being a stalwart for freedom and for truth and for liberty. And I, I pray that, that you can continue this fight and you win this fight and that we all win this fight. Whether it be Kirk Moore, Dr. Kirk Moore, go check out the episode I did with him and you know, my saga that continues. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But yeah, we, we, we have to witness otherwise our children won't have, won't have any tools to, to fight this fight. Dr. Eric Hensen: I agree. And I wish you well in your endeavor. And, and, and of course mine and, and Dr. Moore and there are a whole lot more other physicians out there that are fighting this and are being hounded by state [00:36:00] agencies. Dr. Eric Hensen: So this, this has got, this has got a hopefully wake up the country and wake up the electric and, and, and just say, enough is enough. And start supporting, you know, you know what we're trying to do cuz this is ultimately for that and for our way of life. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, thank you so much for joining me. I truly appreciate you giving me this time. Dr. Eric Hensen: It's been my pleasure. Look forward to talking to you soon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. God bless. Thank you. Dr. Eric Hensen: Thank you. Bye. Dr. Eric Hensen: Just Dr. Sam Sigoloff: a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:37:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Wright and Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. Thank you.

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For he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for joining us again. So first I want to stop real quick and thank my Patreon supporters. We have Shell, we have Sam and Angela Sheey. We have Perry and Ty, Kevin, Katie, Joe, pj, Rebecca, Emmy. We have Amanda Bets Nasty. And Jay, thank you so much for all the support you're giving. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I try to get these episodes out early to them earlier in the week than Sunday. So if you're interested in seeing these before they're [00:01:00] released to the public, please consider joining for as little as $1 a month. Or $12 a year, pro-rated per month. Today's guest, we have a very special guest. We've spoken to him before. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is Todd Calender. So he's a lawyer. He's been very influential. It's, it's basically his case. That is Robert V. Austin. And that's how I first got involved in all of this, is I was able to communicate with him and talk about my medical exemption that became an affidavit for his case. And I know I watched your, your arguing and I think you did a great job. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I don't know what the results were of that. But it's great to have you on again, and it's a one, it's a pleasure to talk to you every time we get to talk. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah, likewise. Thank you for having me, Dr. Sam. Yeah. You were one of our original Ians and, and then whistleblower. Think you and I have been working on this whole thing together for, I don't know, certainly one year, if not two. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So you had mentioned something just just before we started rolling, that there is a particular, [00:02:00] someone that doesn't seem to have an oath of office on file Now, what are some of those details? Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. So in our, in our preparation for our lawsuit and as we continued on after that, we created a, a distribution center and a repository for evidence that we had gathered and, and self-help legal documents, which is. Esq. Todd Callender: What, what happened in the military and the reason why I think that at the end of the day, the, the Congress kind of forced the DOD to stop the shots was self-help, legal documents all stored at a site called VAX choice, VAX choice.com. And that entity actually has paid people who work for it, and they do the research and they help us. Esq. Todd Callender: Provide evidence to our case exhibits and things of that nature. And one of the researchers really neat lady by the name of Lisa decided that she wanted to figure out more about the whole paradigm and how was any of this legal. And she sent a FOIA request, the Freedom of Information Act, we call it foia. Esq. Todd Callender: To the [00:03:00] Department of Defense and asked to see two things as it relates to the Secretary of Defense. Number one, his oath of office, and secondarily, his registration under farra the Foreign Agent's Registration Act because she also dug up that he had significant interest in foreign companies that would have some bearing on his job in, in the Department of Defense. Esq. Todd Callender: So the results came back that the Secretary of Defense, according to the military, there are no records of him taking an oath of office. In fact, there's no records at all. The same goes for Farra registration. None whatsoever. So even though there's some publicity out there showing the secretary taking his oath of office publicly the d o d has zero records of it and they've confirmed that to us. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, I mean, this is verify, confirmed and, and received through a FOIA request. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. There's a letter from the Department of Defense. I just sent it to you, read it for yourself. It's on the Department of Defense letterhead. There are many important people [00:04:00] that are copied on this. It it came very late. We were actually gearing up to file a lawsuit because the d o d was so long overdue in providing the response. Esq. Todd Callender: So I think the day before they, they busted the, the time period that we gave them. They they coughed up the results, which were none. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To me, that seems like that has huge implications, but, From a legal perspective, what could that mean? Esq. Todd Callender: Well, yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. All such people, like the Secretary of Defense, people in decision making authority positions in our government have an obligation to swear an oath of allegiance to the Constitution and our republic. Esq. Todd Callender: And if they don't do it, there's actually a statute on the, on the subject. There you go. The, the net result may be that his position in all things that he's done here two for would be void as a matter of law. That's certainly the position that we're gonna take.[00:05:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. That's huge. Esq. Todd Callender: Huge. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. I mean, we have even, you know, E, everyone has an oath of office, whether it be enlisted, an officer or warrant officer. Sure. This is just mind blowing. Even even elected officials have an oath of office. Esq. Todd Callender: Yes, that's right. Exactly. Which is why there's a statute on this subject. In fact, you know, it's interesting on this, on this note, one may think this is anecdotal, oh, you know, some mistake, but you know, it's not over the last year or so, when just regular Joe. Esq. Todd Callender: People, Americans that, you know, had an interest in stopping their school boards or their sheriffs, or their governors, city councils, whatever the case was, they were doing bond claims. And part of those bond claims included the request for oath of office. And what we came to find is that attorneys, general district attorneys, [00:06:00] sheriffs I think there might have been one governor. Esq. Todd Callender: Anyway, these, these people had discovered that there, there was a rampant a number. Of people in these kinds of positions who didn't take their oath of office, and, and so theoretically all of their official acts would, would be void as a matter of law. Now, I haven't seen anybody go to trial on this, but I think there are a number of pro se suits that that are taking place along those lines. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's interesting cuz lately I've been hearing of this, and I don't want to get into it too much if you know what I'm talking about, but where people argue and I guess this is a normal court thing as well, where you argue jurisdiction, you say, well, no, I'm, I'm not in your jurisdiction, so you have no rule over me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wouldn't this be part of that? They have no jurisdiction over me because they never took the oath. That's the prerequisite. Esq. Todd Callender: Justice disability is the issue you're talking about. And you know, I, I think you just touched on something that, that is really bothersome to me, [00:07:00] actually. So the answer to your question is yes. Esq. Todd Callender: What standing does this person have to give any orders, including the, the now infamous mandate, the covid mandate and authorization of use of force. But aside from that, you know, doctor, as, as we've been seeking redress in court, And I said, we, the grand, we, meaning a lot of people are doing this. It's really quite frustrating and astounding to me how many of our cases have gotten tossed out on Gia g ability issues saying You have no standing, you're in the wrong court, you're at the wrong time. Esq. Todd Callender: You don't have damages. That actually happened in our case and Robert V. Austin and we appealed it and then went to the 10th circuit and argued that just on the 18th of November, I didn't even get the first sentence outta my mouth before I was interrupted by one of the judges asking that very issue. Esq. Todd Callender: Just disability, why are you here? Isn't it true that you filed a lawsuit a day before the actual mandate happened? So they're searching for any reasonable means, [00:08:00] anything, not even reasonable, any means whatsoever, so that they don't hear these cases. The same thing with President Trump and the election cases. Esq. Todd Callender: The, the courts are turning a deaf ear to us, and it strikes me that every means of redress that we've been seeking, every legal means anyway, we're getting shut down. So you, you make a complaint to the sheriff, they don't want to hear it. They're not gonna open an investigation. The attorney general is just the same. Esq. Todd Callender: You complain to your legislature, well, they're all handpicked for their jobs anyway, and you hope that you would get some, some day in court in front of the judiciary, and you don't, and you can't. So what precisely are we supposed to do? You know, it's kind of like the, the case here. If, if we file suit and say, look, the Secretary of Defense says everything he's done is void as a matter of law, and the court says, I don't want to hear the case. Esq. Todd Callender: You know, what, what precisely are we supposed to do about that? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And one thing that I, this, this idea popped in my head when I was listening to your case and [00:09:00] when I've been sitting in on some of the telephone calls for Coker v Austins, It seems like, well now everybody's case is moot. Right? So it's, it's like if I went to the, to the judge and said, your Honor, the defendant burnt my house to the ground. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the judge says, well, plaintiff you, you don't have a case cuz you don't have a house. You're right, your Honor. He burnt it to the ground. Yeah. That's why I'm here. But you don't have a house, so it's moot Esq. Todd Callender: a great analogy. Yeah, that's pretty much what, what happened in our case, what we alleged, and I I hope we proved in our, our pleadings in our briefs is that the military, in our case, created what we call an intentional nutting. Esq. Todd Callender: They created the circumstances, just as you described, you know, you don't have any standing in this court for a variety of reasons. In, in our particular case, we had a plaintiff. Who did not seek a medical exemption but was granted one. And so that went to the whole standing room while she was given an exemption. Esq. Todd Callender: Why are you here? And the other one you know, he'd had his disability [00:10:00] rating pending for a long time. He was pulling his regular duty all day, getting, you know, the job done. And, and yet amazingly quickly, he got his disability paperwork through just in time, you know, for our appellate hearing. I mean, luckily he was still in the military on the day we argued, but he was out, you know, a few short days later. Esq. Todd Callender: So yeah, intentional mooting is a real thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what's interesting is I, around that same timeframe, I was listening to this podcast called Bible Project and I, I think it was an old episode they had, or series where they were talking about Deuteronomy and they're talking about judges in particular and how to judge the law, how to be wise. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Using God's wisdom to judge issues that aren't specifically laid out in, in law. And I feel like, like many in the judicial system, I'm trying to say my words correctly, many in the judicial branch don't seem to be exercising biblical wisdom. They, they seem to say, well, this is the law, this is, this is it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, this [00:11:00] is outside of the that law, but, but we're not gonna. Take the wisdom that comes from knowing this and extrapolate it to you. We're just gonna say, Nope, your case is moot. You have no case because the mandate is gone even though it was illegal from the beginning. That's what bothers me the most is everything has been illegal. Esq. Todd Callender: Yes. Patently. So not just in one way, many ways illegal and nobody seemed to care, not in our government and I doctor, it's because at the end of the day, the d o d was behind a genocide. The, the single biggest crime ever known to humanity. And you know, one can argue, well, they didn't know any better except for the fact that, you know, they'd been building this technology, these mRNA and adenovirus shots for 20 years, and they knew full well that all of the test animals died. Esq. Todd Callender: Right. And, and polyethylene glycol is the base components to antifreeze. The ever before had it been injected into humans, there [00:12:00] were tons of papers that said, this is extraordinarily dangerous, and 70% of the world's population is allergic to it. And yet that was the primary ingredient in both Moderna advisors shot. Esq. Todd Callender: There's no way to look at this other than. As an intentional injur or deadly attack on people, especially when you, you mandate the shots and authorize the use of force. How else could we look at this? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, and when you take him to conjunction, like all of that, plus what you said earlier about the Secretary of Defense not raising his hand and swearing allegiance to this document, it makes you wonder. Right. It really makes you start to ask questions. Esq. Todd Callender: Well, I, I, I don't wonder anymore, doctor. In 1994, all of the nations on this planet got together in Cairo and agreed to depopulate the planet to effectively kill 7 billion people. Esq. Todd Callender: Why? Why would we not take them at their word? And if you were to do this, let, let's assume you're now the person in charge, you're the owner of the planet, and [00:13:00] you wanna get rid of 7 billion people. How would you go about doing that? You know, would you, would you do it through some democratic institution or would you get the military to do it? Esq. Todd Callender: And if you could do, if you get the military to do it, wouldn't it be really great and convenient if you could work around the issue of all these Americans having guns, right? If everybody's too sick or dead to shoot a gun, what matter is it that they're armed? So when you look at this from a global perspective, and you put yourself in the shoes, if I was the perpetrator of genocide, how would I do it? Esq. Todd Callender: It all becomes very clear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's like that idea of the neutron bomb, whether it was actually made or not. It's this, this weapon that kills people and leaves infrastructure. And that's exactly what this does is it kills people and leaves the infrastructure Esq. Todd Callender: even better. I think, you know, because it doesn't kill everybody at the same time, you'd still have some, you know, useful life in people to, you know, bury bodies are cremate. Esq. Todd Callender: Or somehow convince, you know, a few extra dollars out of their pocket for some, [00:14:00] you know, last Hope Care in the hospital before they put my dazz or ESI in their veins. Yeah, you're absolutely right. This is a much more clever it's actually genius means of, of killing 7 billion people except for one thing, and that is about half the world didn't go along with the program. Esq. Todd Callender: That might be a little sticky point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This, all of this just makes me so upset that people would, would do this. And you know, as we get further along, more and more truth comes out and it's like people who don't see the truth are in a different reality. It's like they're living in, in a fairytale world when you know, I was, I, I was on a S G T report that the day we're airing this, it'll air that day. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But. Like the guy who's talking who were, we're tearing apart his words as he is talking. It's, it's just mind blowing. Like what reality is this man living in where he, the things he says and, and on the top it has a little moniker of [00:15:00] truth is golden. Well, it is, but he's not saying anything. That's true. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In fact, it's 180 degrees the wrong way. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. We are in Bazaro world, aren't we? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Before we got started, also, you were talking about some flu shots. Yeah. And I believe was there a service member that, that was having a problem, not taking it because of the ingredients and then he's in a unique position because of the service he's in. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. Yeah. This is another issue. So while everybody was, you know, celebrating the, the wind that the DOD is now going to be forced to, to stop the COVID shots It, it's really a small victory in, in some respects, because I know people that were, you know, at the hearing that that gave rise to this bargain that was struck, and that was that nobody was allowed to talk about cancer rates, which are exceeding 10000% increase now. Esq. Todd Callender: No mention of Nuremberg and, and no ability or mention of holding people accountable. So this genocide has happened [00:16:00] now free of consequence. And, and the d o D doesn't seem to care. We've got service members who are in like yourself. And, and the persecution continues. You know, take the shots, you're out. Esq. Todd Callender: Military doesn't seem to give a damn that, you know, 25% of our standing army is now going to leave or be kicked out. And then on top of that, the, the d o d just did a step to the left. So, okay. We won't force the covid shots on you, however, our. Are flu shots, those are mandatory and they always have been. Esq. Todd Callender: So you're gonna have to take the flu shot now. And of course what we've found is that they are also poisonous. They have the same hydrogel in 'em, along with some other really horrible ingredients. And I just sent you a copy of some of them, you know, one of which doctor is fatal if if it's inhaled. Esq. Todd Callender: So, You know, what, what benefit is it stopping the Covid shots, right? The, the, when, when the military, when the leaders, the owners of this world want 7 billion of us dead. Does it matter if it's a covid [00:17:00] shot or a flu shot? Right? One way or another. That's what's gonna happen. And, and our researcher the same one who's, who's so brilliant and, and found all this stuff out about our Secretary of Defense. Esq. Todd Callender: You know, it was dug around for weeks and she traced back a lot of these pathogens that we've, we've found, and it's not just in the flu shots, it's in insulin it's in tetanus, toxoid, Gardasil. They all have hydrogel now, which is where these lipid nano particles are, and, and those lipid nano particles contain programming payloads. Esq. Todd Callender: Of gene sequences and CRISPR ca nine technology where they're actually genetically modifying people through the deletion and insertion of other genes. Anyway, she traced it all back to something that she discovered called the death associated Protein number six. Also, it's known as Dax, D A X X and also Gene 1616. Esq. Todd Callender: So from that, She, she tracked it to a database [00:18:00] that's maintained by the Department of Energy, whereby that particular death gene, cuz that's what it is, was mutated in a variety of different ways to create other pathogens, thousands and thousands of other pathogens. And then you find out what these pathogens get names and, and included in ingredients in other injectables, I assume. Esq. Todd Callender: It's not just injectables. I assume it's in food and it's our water and our air and everything else because. And we have evidence of motive, we have evidence that the, the government has actually intended to cause these kinds of bioweapons to be unleashed on us. Right? Way of example, it's the, sorry. NASA Langley research paper talks about the future of warfare in 2025 may talk about micro dust, lipid down particles that will release toxins inside of a target's body. Esq. Todd Callender: So it is not a question of whether they intended to do it. This has actually happened. And now we have a database showing how many pathogens, how hard it [00:19:00] was that they tried to figure out how to do this, including the, the H I V proteins in the Covid shot stock. They're all there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The other night I had this, this theory just kind of fleeting in my head and tell me what you think about it. So it seems like there's some infertility issues that a lot of men and women are having after this shot. Yep. There's a lot of death from heart attack, strokes, cancer, all sorts of issues. Right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yep. So we're, we're seeing them killing people. Now, the people that survive, many of them are not able to have children. So that, that's this generation, that's the next generation. That's right. But then I'm sure you saw this, but I don't remember the, the name of the company, but they're saying they can grow people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. In these pods, artificial uteruses, you these little pods. 30,000 in a building at a time. Yeah. It's like, And then if you're feeding them and you're giving them life, are you then owner? Yes. And if the DNA n a that you're taking, which they're [00:20:00] alleging is from these swabs. It do. They own them? Because that was one of your arguments is the, you know, that's right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If they own your dna, they own your sequence, then they own you. Esq. Todd Callender: Well, it's are you human? It it, yeah. That's the threshold question. And it, it's not just a, a simple matter of you know, whether or not they own your dna. It, it, there's a step that has to take place prior to that. The, the Sentinel case on this is molecular pathology versus my genetics. It's a 2013 Supreme Court case and what it effectively says, the holding of the case says, use of mRNA. To effectuate gene modification in a Esq. Todd Callender: genome. Could be people results in that synthetic product, right? But whatever it was that they created is now owned by the patent holders. And so you're right that the synthetic dna, the synthetic organism, now belongs to the patent holders. Esq. Todd Callender: And you're absolutely right. What that calls into question then, if are these people, because you know, we, we define laws [00:21:00] based on the species, for instance. Cruelty to animals is, is a crime that, that is a separate crime from cruelty to humans. If you look at, for instance, homicide, that's the unlawful taking of a human life. Esq. Todd Callender: If, if somebody kills a dog, is that homicide, the answer is no. So if somebody kills this new species of, of people again, NASA calls 'em Borg In that same document, homo Borg Genesis, we've heard. So if, if somebody kills one of those people, meaning the the ones that got the shot, at least the mRNA shots, is that in fact the homicide and, and they're very big questions as to whether or not it is, and, and my concern is that it does not. Esq. Todd Callender: Notably in our case, doctor, I was alleging these very things throughout, going back to August of last year. That these regime modification shots. And as such it created property rights in, in the people that receive them. And that's outlawed by our 13th amendment. That's the anti-slavery provision to our constitution since [00:22:00] 1865. Esq. Todd Callender: You don't get to own other people. And you know what? Not once throughout this process, the trial court, the pretrial motions, or even in the 10th circuit, and the arguments therein did the doj. Or the do D or the FDA or hhs disagree. Not once did they disagree with that. So you're absolutely right. You go back to the Matrix. Esq. Todd Callender: You know the movie, the Matrix, that's exactly what we're seeing. We found their patents. Microsoft Corporation actually owns them where they use people for batteries, transmitters, transistors, and amplifiers. And yeah, we have it all. So why would we, you know, why would we think not? In fact, one of the things I can, I can assure you, I've heard complaints that, you know, just because they have patents doesn't mean much. Esq. Todd Callender: Well, we've actually seen them in use. So for instance, in the third phase clinical trial using the military, it was a study called C 4 5 9 1001. And in that trial, Pfizer [00:23:00] used something called the InTouch E Diary. That's an E P C R device. And what it does is read real time, the bio rhythms, what's happening inside of the people that got the shots, and it's transmitting that data. Esq. Todd Callender: Through the cell phone circuits to a third party information aggregator in in Israel. The, the laundered data came back cuz there was all kinds of maladies. But, but my point in telling you is that when Noah had already said, we want surveillance on the inside of your body, that technology already exists. Esq. Todd Callender: It, they already used it in that very study that I just mentioned. So this is not a hypothesis. This is not a theory. I'm telling you what's already happened. We found the patents that describe it. And these people own it. Just as you said, you know. Are, are these people in the pods own in all likelihood? Esq. Todd Callender: Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. I need just a minute to process some of that, if you wanna. Esq. Todd Callender: And what rights do you have? [00:24:00] Probably none, doctor. Because they haven't been envisioned by the law when I went looking into all of this, you know. But when I finally figured out that there were no informed consent rights being given to the soldiers to, to like yourself is because these weren't investigational new drugs. Esq. Todd Callender: These were investigational new gene therapy shots. There's a different legal regime for gene therapeutics versus investigational new drugs in, in the case of INDs, That's the FDA that regulates it. In the case of gene therapy, that's hhs and there are different informed consent rights that attach, which are effectively none thanks to Secretary Rumsfield. Esq. Todd Callender: Back in 2005 when the military started doing gene modification on, on the soldiers. So they've eliminated that, that whole requirement effectively. So anyway, the, the, the point is that in that research, what I found is that there's essentially nothing stopping this. Legally from happening, and it's only [00:25:00] envisioned that at some point. Esq. Todd Callender: The, the, the people in politics, the people in charge of the government should probably address what rights these people will have. It actually says that in the human augmentation paper where the department of of defense, I'm sorry, it's not the Department of Defense, it's the Ministry of Defense of the UK and Germany arrive at that conclusion. Esq. Todd Callender: It's on page 69 or so. Maybe we should, maybe we should think about what rights these genetically modified people should have. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah, that's just shocking. And there's no prohibition. There's nothing stopping them. Not in the law anyway. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Did you wanna talk about the N D A A at all? Esq. Todd Callender: Well, I think just from the perspective that it, it's a, it's a hollow win. You know, the, the covid shots are, you know, theoretically going to be stopped. It doesn't really mean anything. The other part I'd like to remind your, your audience about it seems to finally be resonating with people, is that [00:26:00] the use of public health as a weapon, This weapon has been moved under the Department of Defense. Esq. Todd Callender: It's in the National Defense Authorization Act for the last three years and going forward, you will find that public health gets marched away from Health and Human Services to the oversight of defense health agency. Again, if your, if your job was to kill 7 billion people and you used public health as your mechanism to do that to, to take away constitutional rights, as has happened when the public health emergency of international concern was declared everybody's constitutional rights around the world were suspended. Esq. Todd Callender: Okay, well, how else would you prefer to manage that process of that using that weapon other than the use of your military? And that's exactly what's happened, that public health around the world is being moved as a military function. So they can execute on the deprivation of your rights and the insistence or involuntary introduction of, you know, these experimental shots, these pathogens into your body. Esq. Todd Callender: And by the way, your, your [00:27:00] arrest, your indefinite detention, right? That's all envisioned. If your folks wanna look it up, look up the law itself. It's in 42 cfr, that stands for code of of Federal Regulations part 70 and 71. It's all there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing that with this NDA change and the, the remove of the alleged mandate they already committed crimes 10 USC 1107 A, they committed crimes. How do we get the conversation from the pol, the elected? From the elected officials to change, to go from, oh, well, we're not having the mandate anymore to, no, we need to figure out who started this crime and who perpetrated the crime and who allowed this crime to continue. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. Well, because they all did, you know, this is what I was saying in, in October and early November is the, in the elections, we have to throw all of them out. And I mean, I mean all of them. Cause anybody that was in office, [00:28:00] anybody that was in a decision making position, For the last 20 years or even the last two years, they either were a part of all this, this genocide, or they allowed it to happen. Esq. Todd Callender: All of the steps it took to make this happen from a legal perspective and from a practical point of view. They had to know, I mean, look as, as simple as the, the procurement part, you know, how was it that the World Bank was financing the, the sale of COVID 19 PCR tests in 2017? The disease wasn't named right until March of 2020. Esq. Todd Callender: The d o d has all kinds of records and contracts called covid 19. You know, long before it, the, the disease was named that. So we have, we have ample evidence to show that, that people were involved in this and, and that they knew it. So the only way, we're not gonna get a, a political a political solution to this doctor unless we have the ability to fill everybody out. Esq. Todd Callender: I don't even know if we have that. But the elections are a joke. It's [00:29:00] very clear that there was massive fraud. For the last two elections. It's very clear the courts don't want to hear anything about the fraud. So I'm afraid that we get stuck in a situation where we are not gonna get political redress. Esq. Todd Callender: We're not gonna get law enforcement redress. Our only hope is to educate enough people that we all opt out of the system, right? The current system is probably beyond repair. We, I think we kind of have to abandon it. And I, and I mean that on a global basis, so we have to start over. There is no government without us, right? Esq. Todd Callender: Without the governed, they must have the consent of the governed because there's too many of us. It has to be voluntary. So we just opt out. No, we're not gonna do it. And, and you can see the next part is the essential bank, digital currency, right? They will control us through our spending, that what they're talking about is programmable money. Esq. Todd Callender: So you look at China, if they travel too far from their home, I think five kilometers, their money doesn't work. If, if they bought too much meat in the grocery store, [00:30:00] they, they can't use it for any more meat. That is a, that is being tested in the United States right now. The fed coin in northeast, in the United States, they are going to outlaw cash. Esq. Todd Callender: They're gonna outlaw, barter. And I think that's why I have 87,000 new armed special agents working for the Treasury Department for the irs. They're gonna take everybody's stuff. And deprive us of the ability to fight back. So I think our, our only hope doctor is to opt out. We, we don't have to go along with the program. Esq. Todd Callender: We'll form our new parallel society and we can do it peacefully and just, just forget about 'em. Anne Vander Steel, I think you know her, there are 10 million people like her. They, they became state nationals and said, we're not part of the federal system anymore. It's a good start. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And right here it says, and this is starting in the middle of a sentence, but accordingly, all experience have shown that mankind or more are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by [00:31:00] abolishing the forms which they are accustomed. Is right there. We'd rather just suffer through it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We're just gonna keep slogging away. We're just gonna keep getting trampled upon this long train of abuses. Keeps coming right at us. We're not gonna do anything. And I'm, I want it to be very clear that I'm not advocating for revolution. I'm advocating to follow this document because I know CIAs CI counterintelligence is watching this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I know there's investigators watching this. I, I, I am not. Trying to call for any sort of vigilante justice. I just want actual justice. I wanna follow the documents that I, and all of my peers in the military, except for maybe not all of our leadership, have sworn allegiance to, to defend this document from all enemies. Esq. Todd Callender: And by the way, doctor th never once did you mention anything like that. You and I have been talking about opting out of the system. That's not a crime, right. Deciding that you aren't going to participate is not a crime. And that's what we're talking about. It's an abandonment of [00:32:00] a, a very failed system. And there's, there is no law against that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's just that like, I, I opt out of the shots. I opt out of wearing a mask, I opt out of social distancing. I mean, I kind of like the social distance a little bit cuz I don't like, I like my personal space, but, but social distance from family, I'm not, I'm opting out of that, you know. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah, I get that. So how do we, how do we do a better job of it? Esq. Todd Callender: How do we get people to understand this? I, that's the importance of what it is you're doing. And I, you know, my hope is this doctor, the, the people as you indicated right, the counterintelligence people that are worried about you and they're worried about me. I, I would ask them to take a few minutes and investigate what it is we're saying. Esq. Todd Callender: Is it true that well, that document says what you say it does. Is it true that the Secretary of Defense didn't take oath of office? I can assure you we have the documents to prove that, or at least prove that the Department of Defense has no record of it. You can look up for yourself how many people are [00:33:00] dying because they, they took the shots. Esq. Todd Callender: You can look up for yourself. The use of force was authorized to, to push these deadly shots on others. I hope that the people that are watching this will think critically and understand this is about you, this is about your kids too. They're coming for you just like they're coming for us. So get on the right side of this. Esq. Todd Callender: If you if you wanna survive. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing, you know, I've said this before, but I think it's, it's really important to say again, is if I don't fight a battle that I should fight. And by fighting I don't mean physically violently, I mean legally, and standing my ground if I don't stand my ground where I should. Then there'll be no ground left for my children. Esq. Todd Callender: Sure. Well that's the plan, right? Well, you, you made mention of it a few minutes ago about sterility rates increasing. You know, I think you're aware, my family bought the intellectual property rights to a needle free mass vaccination [00:34:00] device. And I'm, I got it through the f d A process, that very same company. Esq. Todd Callender: My sister runs it now, was doing a collaboration with Gabby Bill Gates in Africa testing what Gardasil. And we knew 20 years ago that the non-control, the non-I group of girls that were given the shot went home sterile. Why? Because that's what it was designed to do. And you got all girls of childbearing age in all 50 states. Esq. Todd Callender: Look it up for yourself. Every state has a statute. It's a mandatory shot. They are purposefully. Giving people sterility compounds. They're sterilizing people. And again, doesn't it make sense if your, if your mission is to depopulate the planet, wouldn't you, wouldn't you stop all unauthorized breeding as they say in the Jurassic part? Esq. Todd Callender: So yeah, it makes perfect sense. And, and they put those same sterility compounds in these shots, you know, we know that. So we're under attack. Humanity is under attack. Doctor, it, it isn't you or me, it's our [00:35:00] species. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you look at where fire comes from in the Judeo-Christian, you know, tradition as God kicked Adam and Eve outta the garden, he said, here's fire. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Use it to subdue the earth. If you look at every other mythology, culture, man stole fire from the gods. And that right there is where the difference is. We were given energy to go subdue the earth, and in the mythology or the pagan ideas, fire was stolen and we shouldn't have it. And so with that idea, well, we shouldn't even be on the earth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, we've been called a cancer by many, Yeah. Of these, you know, green Earth people. Yeah. I believe there was some royalty that said if he could die and come back, he'd come back as a virus. Yes. To kill demand. Esq. Todd Callender: Well, they're not hiding it. Like I said, 196 countries in territories agreed to kill seven people, 7 billion people in Cairo. Esq. Todd Callender: It's, it's not like they hid this doc. Yeah. You know, and that's actually the mission I understand from the. The papers that I've read on this, Henry [00:36:00] Kissinger himself wrote such a paper in 1974 that, that they want to genetically modify every plant animal species on this planet for the purpose of spiting God. Esq. Todd Callender: Right? They, we are their plague. You're absolutely right, and they don't hide that. So I don't know how it is that it's so hard for people to understand this, that you and your children, your progeny are the arey target. They, they want you gone. You damn will better stand up and do something about it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing that I see that will have great benefit when my kids are of age is we will need to have a blood test. And, and you know, I don't like differentiating between people that have had the shot and didn't have the shot. And certainly there will, there'll be plenty of people that that had it, that didn't want it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I think there will be a desire to have a shot, or I'm sorry, to have a, a test that tells you if someone has been exposed to the lipid nanoparticle. That way you don't begin a relationship with [00:37:00] someone who you can't have children with. And that's a horrible thing to say as a physician, as someone who always wants to give hope, but, but we have to look at reality too. Esq. Todd Callender: Well, I'll tell you what my concern on that one Dr. Merritt has some information on this, is that the sterility compounds they put in these shots are contagious. So for instance, if you had unprotected sex with a vaccinated person and you have also gotten these very same sterility compounds and, and perhaps would pass those on to others as well. Esq. Todd Callender: So I think there will be a premium to people who didn't get the shots and who didn't have sexual intercourse or exchange of other bodily fluids. Maybe it's a, a blood transfusion, you know, whatever. There, there will be a premium very clearly for people that, that want to remain human and give birth to human kids. Esq. Todd Callender: No doubt. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and even if it doesn't change their genes, just the fact that these lipid nano particles are causing sterility, they're causing. [00:38:00] Seem to be causing brain fog seem to be causing all these problems. I mean that That's one part of it. Yes. And there's the other part of the gene, the gene therapy gene changing your genome. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's just Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Can you talk a little about your Five Small Stones Project? I love that name. I. Esq. Todd Callender: Sure. So the, the whole concept came from our, our case Robert v whereby we filed suit late August and within a day. We were snowed, we were just buried by service members coming to us looking for help. How do I get outta the shots? Esq. Todd Callender: What can I do? I mean, the phones and the emails. It was, it was absolute insanity. And no matter how much we worked, no matter how hard we tried, we couldn't get to 'em. Also, my law partner Dave Wilson, said, you know, let's just make some templates. And we drafted up some templates for people and we published them on on VAX [00:39:00] Choice. Esq. Todd Callender: And sure enough, all the service members yourself included a couple hundred thousand like you downloaded forms and, and started sharing and collaborating with each other and filing your own cases. One 30 eights and IG complaints, anderberg notices, exemptions. And papered the holy hell out of the d d and it grounded the DOD to alt. Esq. Todd Callender: So we, we looked at that and said, wow, you know, we could do this on a, on a broader scale. And so we rolled out the Five Small Stones Initiative, which is a self-help pro se. Website with a bunch of lawyers, doctors nurses, paralegals and pro se litigants all getting together. It's like you know, kind of a marketplace of pro se litigation where there are templates there for people to download and use for themselves. Esq. Todd Callender: We offer some training videos, some symposiums, opportunity to collaborate and, and advice how to go about do it. And I'm really pleased to see that people are actually doing that. People are downloading FOIA requests. Their own federal or, or state [00:40:00] lawsuits and, and, and fighting for themselves. And I think that's it, doctor. Esq. Todd Callender: The, the salvation for our species is people standing up and fighting for themselves. Whether they get tossed out from court is almost material. It's the act of standing up and asserting your rights to have your day in court. That counts. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That that's wonderful. I love it cuz it's you, you have made a gym that people can go strengthen their spine and learn how to stand erect. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, that's good. I like that. Make their spine steal. I, I love it. Esq. Todd Callender: Well, I like that a lot. And by the way, not everybody has to go to court. You know, a lot of those things that we put together. We're administrative. So like our service members that, that filed their IG complaints and Article 1 38, those are administrative complaints. Esq. Todd Callender: You don't have to go get in front of a judge. It's just, you know, it's like filing a whistleblower action. And people did that, and that means that the other side actually has to respond. The act of causing them to go and respond is by itself a win. [00:41:00] So yes, strengthening the spine, strengthen the brain too. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because I listened to this rabbi and he had said that in the Hebrew, when Noah got onto the the arc, it said that he entered on the bone of the day, and that's not a time of day that's supposed to symbolize the erectus of the spine and the strength of the spine and how it took strength to go up there, even though he was being ridiculed by everyone around him. Esq. Todd Callender: How cool. I had not heard that before. Lovely. I'm gonna keep that the, the bone of the day. I'm gonna remember what that means. Otherwise, my dogs are gonna be jealous. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So it's that. And, and Jordan Peterson talks about this also, that when you lift weights, when you say no, when you do things that you're not used to doing, you change your neurochemistry, you change your biochemistry, you change your whole life. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You express different parts of your DNA that weren't expressed before. Your bones become stronger, your muscles are stronger, your neuroreceptors are stronger, and you are [00:42:00] able to do more. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah, that's for sure. That certainly showed in your case, doc, you've been going hard now. I mean, for a couple of years at least. Esq. Todd Callender: It's really been quite miraculous and, and fun and inspiring to me. The guy got me Dr. Sam Sigoloff: started on this by eating meat first. When I stumbled across eating meat only, I was like, I was in a daze and confused and this is about a month or two before covid and I was just like in a cloud. And then I started eating that and I was like, God, you got this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm gonna listen to you every time now. I did pretty good before, but I'm gonna do even better. Yeah. That's cool. Very cool. Is there any pro se arguments that you have or could you, could y'all make some, I don't wanna, you know, Charge you with something that I know you're very, very busy with talking to or going to commanders and holding them personally responsible for, let's say religious accommodation denials, or for commanders or doctors specifically. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'd really love to see something for doctors to go after them for [00:43:00] denial of medical exemptions. Like let's say the general who's also a doctor who happened to revoke all of the medical exemptions. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. Well, let's start there. You know, they are also licensed and you can go and make a grievance against their license. Esq. Todd Callender: So Barry in mind here that the Secretary of Defense's order actually said an authorized an FDA-approved vaccine. There is none in so much that the day that Kati was approved, the marketing was revoked and never once anywhere on any US military installation was any service member offered Koi, meaning the US version. Esq. Todd Callender: There was some. German made or, or Belgian made version. It was not US compliant that went to a Coast Guard station in Alaska. But for the, the D O D employees, nobody was ever offered anyone because it doesn't exist. It never did exist. So start with your commander and saying, okay, [00:44:00] provide me the, the vial. Esq. Todd Callender: Show me the ko. It, it doesn't exist. They can't do it, and therefore, How is it that you think you're going to come after me for not following a law? And I would, I would suggest that the, the commanding officer is actually making an illegal order, and I would make a complaint. I would grieve them. I would file my 1 38 against them. Esq. Todd Callender: The other part is that, you know, lawyers, for example, whether JAG officers have a, have an obligation to uphold the law. Like the officers do the sworn to the constitution. And I think there are lots of different processes by which you have the ability to actually make a grievance, start your paper trail, start your paper fight, and just like the service members, you know, did to stop the d o d for many more. Esq. Todd Callender: Come around express and use your rights all the time. Just because you're the service doesn't mean you gave up your rights cuz you didn't, you're not owned. Your constitutional rights continue. So use them, [00:45:00] express them, and assert them in all cases. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you know what? The whole Five Stones project that you have it, you know, this is the devil's advocate in me just asking some questions that I, I'm sure you have the answer for. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, you know I, I can't do that. It's, it's too overwhelming. I'm not a lawyer. I can't do it. Now, sir, aren't there specific benefits to not being a lawyer when you're doing a pro se argument? Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah. Yeah. There, there are. And, and then you don't need a lawyer. Right? The courts weren't created for lawyers. Esq. Todd Callender: The courts were created for people to solve their grievances peacefully. To avoid shootouts and, and, you know, fights. They're people's courts, they're not, they're not for lawyers. So get that outta your head first and foremost. And, and you're absolutely right. Pro se lit against are provided assistance from the judges as it relates to procedural issues because the first and foremost point of the court, Is to give people an opportunity and a forum to settle their grievances. Esq. Todd Callender: [00:46:00] So we as lawyers are held to a very high standard in terms of something called the rules of civil procedure. If we don't do things exactly right, judges can kick it out on their own initiative or upon a motion to dismiss. However, when, when a pro se litigant is in front of the the court, the presumption by the judge must be that you get your day in court, irrespective of who's on the other side. Esq. Todd Callender: And so when there are procedural challenges, the the courts have an obligation to really rule and the light most favorable to you, the light most likely to give you your opportunity to have your day in court for your case to be hurt. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what you're saying is don't be afraid to go look at these documents to do these things because the judge will help you. It's his obligation duty to help you. Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah, and, and they won't take an active rule in it. What they'll, what they'll do is give you some guidance in their minute orders or just rule in, in your favor. Esq. Todd Callender: If it's not, you know, if it's not a [00:47:00] meritorious, you know, motion to dismiss, for example but there are clerks there that will help you as well. And our, our five small stones has people on standby, and we'll help people there too. Also, bear in mind, this is not an all or none quotient. You can start small. Esq. Todd Callender: Start by writing letters, start by filing administrative complaints. You can start by filing what are called inspector general complaints if you work in any government office. Even some companies that, that are agents effectively for the government, you can file inspector general complaints, go to people's regulatory bodies. Esq. Todd Callender: If, if the hospitals have been, you know, killing one of your loved ones, go to the hospital regulator, fire your administrative complaints. If a doctor's screwing up, you Esq. Todd Callender: know, go against them and their medical boards, open investigations anywhere you can, especially if your rights are being violated. File a complaint with a E E O C, right? Esq. Todd Callender: People don't seem to understand that disability, for example, if you're being discriminated against because you're disabled and it's remarkably easy to be, [00:48:00] the E E O C has an obligation to go and investigate that, even where it's a third party, not, not necessarily your employer. Maybe it's a food store maybe it's a, a government agency or maybe it's a school, you know, people have rights and the E E O C is tasked with enforcing those rights. So start there. Start small if you need to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I also wanna encourage the listener, if you haven't listened to the episode to do with Ben Carlisle, please go back and listen to that. Especially for the civilians, because they can, they have certain legal purview that they have, right? So they, if your employer made you take the shot, he's trying to use that, that angle or that legal argument that if the employer had you take the shot, the employer is responsible for any injuries that have occurred. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he's arguing those cases in New York. Yeah. And if you don't, beautiful. If you're not in New York, reach out to him and see if he knows a lawyer where you are, cuz he's trying to make a network. Esq. Todd Callender: That's beautiful. That's absolutely right. In fact, that was one of [00:49:00] the papers that we had on Back's Choice was a a liability assumption agreement that people could download and give to their employer. Esq. Todd Callender: You know, you want me to take the shot boss? Okay, here, here's the agreement. You sign on here where you're gonna take care of my family and you're gonna pay my disability and everything else if I take this shot. It's a brilliant strategy, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and I would argue because they're both under e u a, that you can use that same paper line out shot and put in mask. Esq. Todd Callender: You bet. Yep. Well, I'm, you know, masks are, are probably both e u a and investigational new medical devices. Right? It's, it's, it's all force. There is no standing, there is no standards to required. It's, it's absolutely a joke. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, I wanna respect your time and I, I greatly appreciate every conversation I get to have with you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and your time. I'll put a link down at the bottom where people can get to the five small stones. Is there any, anything else you wanna leave us with? Esq. Todd Callender: Yeah, [00:50:00] I, I think it's really important, particularly for your, your audience. I keep, you know, trying to impart the people that this really is about humanity and it, it takes us all coming together, putting aside our differences, whatever those may be. Esq. Todd Callender: And I understand it's hard when you see people flooding across the border. You know, we we're losing our country, but we gotta get past that because we're not just losing our country folks, we're losing our species. This is an extinction level event, and it's gonna take all of us as humans uniting together to stop this if we're all stuck in, in this mode of us versus them black versus white Americans versus whoever else, you know? Esq. Todd Callender: Th those are divi divisive tools to make sure that we're all dead. We gotta get over that. Get to know these people. Help 'em if you can, they'll help you. And we've, we've just gotta come together. Humanity has to come together, doctor. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. God bless. And we'll be praying for you and your family. [00:51:00] Esq. Todd Callender: Thank you. Esq. Todd Callender: God bless, doc. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Wright and Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. Thank you.

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Why would they do it? Dave Weiss: How would they do it, right? Why? A, you're at the Center of Creation. The globe is a prison for your mind. They want to trap you. It's this. This is here. The bottom line is this is a spiritual war. They want your soul and they fishing for it with the Soul Lure system. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or unapproved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, thanks for joining me again. I wanna thank all my Patreon supporters for all the help that they've given me. I wanna first say thank you to Shell pace at the $50 level. [00:01:00] We've got Sam, Sam and Angela Sheey at the 2020 level. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents with Ty Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna, who's been a guest on this show. Frank, we've got the $10 self-made level with Kevin. We've got the refined not burn level at $5 with Linda, Emmy, Joe, pat, and Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, and then our lowest tier at $1 a month. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I appreciate every dollar as much as, as much as I can appreciate. Courage is contagious. We've got Amanda j SPTs, nasty Dorell, Susan BB King, who is a guest on this show. And Rick, thank you so much for all your support right now. The dollar has gone down in its value and I appreciate every single dollar and all the prayers if you're not able to, to provide any sup monetary support at this time today I have a very special guest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: His name is Dave Weiss. He is known as Flat Earth Dave. Now as I understand, cuz I've watched quite a few of your, your interviews, you were in a very different place, not [00:02:00] too long. Dave Weiss: Yeah, we all, yeah, absolutely. We all have the same story, but continue. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and so once, if I remember right, you had said, and it just, it shocks me cuz I'm, you know, if we talked two years ago about, let's say food, I would've been in a similar place. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Like, no, you gotta eat your veggies. You gotta eat your fruit. And you were, I think it was in 2015, you had said that and correct me if I'm wrong, but you had said the earth is round and you refused to look at it, and then all of a sudden you kicked that door open and, and Dr. Sam Sigoloff: here, You Dave Weiss: know, basically every, every flat earth researcher or level earth, true earth, whatever you want to call it, you know, flat Earth has been weaponized, weaponized like conspiracy theory. Dave Weiss: But I, I embrace it. We all have the same story. It, we, we, even though, you know, I was a, I am a truth seeker. I did a podcast called Deep Inside the Rabbit Hole, looking at all the conspiracies. I'd look at anything and analyze it. I'm a conspiracy analyst, not a theorist, okay? And when Flat Earth came [00:03:00] up, I'm like, I'm not looking at that. Dave Weiss: It's stupid. That's not worth my time. And that's what we've all been programmed to do. And then refuse, refuse, refuse. And then my good friend, Sophia, small Storm, another deep researcher, you know, she did nine 11 mysteries. And unraveling Sandy Schnuck will say, That she's like, David, I think the earth is flat. Dave Weiss: And I, and that I was like, are you kidding me? And then I I went in with a closed mind. I went in, you know, when you investigate something, you say, okay, what is this? And you look at the facts. I went in going flat, earth is stupid. The globe is real. Let me prove it. Let me disprove flat earth and prove the globe. Dave Weiss: And that's how you become a flat earth there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's interesting because you know, we talked a little bit beforehand and, and I'm not convinced one way or the other. Totally. I think I watched your, many of your, your shows and I'm like, man, that makes so much more sense. Like the one that really gets me, and I've had this thought since what, fifth [00:04:00] grade, since I've heard about it, where you have those two oiss and they're, you know, 500 miles, miles, miles away. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Miles or some miles. Yeah, yeah. Some ridiculous distance. How in that time did they know that it's the same time of day? Because, Dave Weiss: well, they had they had they had a tin can with a string and they pull it really tight and they were talking to each other through the tin ham. Dave Weiss: Did you wait for high noon? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you wait for high noon? High noon is whether it's flat around, it's the same time. Dave Weiss: Well, no, no, no, no. If he's east or west, high noon is, you know, that much mileage different. You have to wait for the earth to rotate. Right. So as you walk west at getting earlier, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but high noon for each person, 500 miles apart will be, the shadows will be the same Dave Weiss: at high noon. Dave Weiss: But that's, but high noon isn't the same time for each of them. Right. He's 500 miles away. Hours later. It's, it's 30 minutes. Different time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And then, you know, an hour or however long, [00:05:00] 30 minutes like you said, then it's high noon here. And so how do you transmit the voice that, hey, measure now? When it's been a 30 minute lapse of time. Dave Weiss: Right. And how did they measure it? They, they measured it by you know, by what? He counted his steps, right? Yeah. That he counted his steps, you know, and the, for those of you that don't know, aristo, these, you know, figured out the severity of the earth by measuring these two posts a mile apart. I mean, now I'm 500 miles apart and his had no, no shadow right here, here, Aris Southeast is right here, and here's his buddy, and he can measure the length of the shadow, do some great math and perfectly good calculus. Dave Weiss: And you know, there, that gives you the shape of the earth, you know, and Carl Sagan he wound that into our heads in the, in the show Cosmos, you know, like, oh, Arisso, these did it, you know? But the truth is on a, on a close. On a flat earth with a close son. Here's Aristos. Here's his buddy. Here's the [00:06:00] stick shadow. Dave Weiss: It's the same, same equation. We'll figure out that the ity of that flat table. I don't know if you you know, I'm a little older than you. Cosmos was big when I was in college and Carl Sagan was there and this was a big episode. And he is talking about the sticks and shadows and how if the only, if the earth is curved, can one have a shadow on the other one not. Dave Weiss: But that's not true on a, on a flat earth with a local sun. It works perfectly fine and you could just do a little experiment yourself. Here's two beer bottles. A light is above this one. There's no shadow and there's a shadow over here. You can do some math. Figure out the ity of this flat floor, okay? Dave Weiss: Math is not reality. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, you can make numbers, say whatever you want them to say. As we've seen with Right medicine recently. And basically look back at any research project and, and I was speaking to a guy who went to a master's [00:07:00] program and he said, yeah, we learned how to manipulate numbers to say whatever we wanted them to say. Dave Weiss: You know, you know what's funny? People are so lazy that when they hear the Arisso thing, they're like, oh, you know, that makes sense. And Carl Sagans said it, and, oh, oh, great. But then if you could look back and you say, okay, Arisso 2000 years ago, figured out this ity of the earth, the, the size makes him a pretty famous mathematician. Dave Weiss: But all of the mathematicians that wrote books for the next 20th centuries. Never mentioned their asos. Okay. That's like you know, writing a history of the Chicago Bulls and leaving out Michael Jordan. The only book, the fir the, the oldest book we can find, was it published in the 19 hundreds? Wait a minute, nine. Dave Weiss: It took them, you know, 1900 years to write a book about this famous experiment that doesn't prove anything. And then the other thing is, back then the Greeks believed in a geocentric earth, whether globe or flat, we could argue all day, but they believed [00:08:00] in a geocentric earth with a sun circling the earth. Dave Weiss: Well, how do you have a distant sun? We call it an infinitely far sun because it's so far away that the le the rays come in parallel, right? But two things. One, how do you have a tiny little earth with a distant, giant sun circling the earth? Makes no sense. And the other thing is, nobody has ever seen parallel rays ever. Dave Weiss: Ever. There are no parallel arrays ever. So what made Arisso think that this impossible giant sun at an infinite distance is circling around a tiny little speck, globular earth? The story doesn't hold up. It's nonsense. But people don't want to use their brains and actually think it through and look at the evidence. Dave Weiss: Aristo, these proves the earth is flat if you ask me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I, and, and again, I'm looking from that, that, you know, half in, half out of the door, I think it's, it's a wash, [00:09:00] it's a null hypothesis that's proven because you can't, cuz if, if the sun is closer, like you're saying, if it is, which you know, We could say we, we don't know. Dave Weiss: I can go outside. I could show that it's not far. Yeah. Go Dave Weiss: outside and look up at the sun. Look at the sun with a clear head. Where is it? Okay. I was watching the sunset yesterday. Go watch the sun at sunset. If you have a, if you're near water or a nice flat area go watch the sunset where you can really look at it and ask yourself, how far is that? Dave Weiss: Forget what men have told you, what the Rockefellers have forced you to memorize from their ridiculous textbooks. And ask yourself, how far is that sucker? Right. And you know, I ask myself, I like, I think the sun that we see is literally less than a hundred miles away. Oh, wow. I put, but that's the sun that we see and it, the, that gets into a much longer, a longer discussion, but the sun that we see is very, very, very close.[00:10:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that, that's an interesting idea because I mean, these pictures you're showing here, it shows that it, those are not parallel rays you can see. Yeah. In the same picture. Those are not parallel and they should be. Right. Then physics, physics in high school, they, we calculated everything as well. We just take the light source and say that it's so infinite in a way that all of the razor parallel, but that, that's not parallel. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I can see they're not parallel. Dave Weiss: Yeah. You know, if you watch if people say, well, how does the sunset and and this is a simple way, this is that magnifying glass represents the atmosphere and as this guy moves the, the sun away, let's go move it away. And you can see he's just moving it away and it literally sets below. Dave Weiss: Hold on, I'll go again. Sorry about that. It'll set below the table. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is a sphere on a fixed height platform being moved away [00:11:00] on a flat plane. Yep. And it looks like it's going down. Dave Weiss: It looks like it's going down Dave Weiss: right. Dave Weiss: And, and you know, people don't understand, you know, perspective first, you know, here are streetlights, they're all at the same level, flat road, Dave Weiss: but it looks like they're going down. Here's the sun, or Dave Weiss: just going and going and it looks like it's going down and it's just due to perspective. And then you have the atmospheric deck, which is all compressing and literally becomes opaque. Dave Weiss: It appears to be at, at eyesight, at eye, at hor, at the horizon. And then the sun just goes beyond it. Let me just, lemme show you my, my flat earth kitchen. So this line represents the path for the sun, and I'm moving the sun across. We're watching it from a celestial point of view. That means I'm watching it from the height of the sun. Dave Weiss: And you could see that whether this is clouds, a city, [00:12:00] skyline, mountains, it's. It doesn't go, it's leveled. Now I have a terrestrial camera on the counter at the other end watching the same thing. So we'll watch it from a terrestrial point of view. Same thing. Look at this line. If I said to you, is this line level, what would you say? Dave Weiss: You're like, no, it's sloping down. And I'm like, is this sun going below B? Behind or below this thing? That looks like it's kind of at eye level, it's not right, and it's just going away. Now look at this line. This line is level. This sun is moving away level, right? And this looks like it's at eye level cuz everything merges to your eye level. Dave Weiss: Here's a real sunset compared to my kitchen. What's it going behind here? Now that could be mountains, but it's actually the atmospheric deck of opacity. And if Dave Weiss: I zoomed out the space between Dave Weiss: where that sun is getting eclipsed and the water will literally just become one point, it'll become a, a line.[00:13:00] Dave Weiss: I'm zoomed in on this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a question for you. I was asked by a friend to ask you this Yeah. From the Navy. And she wanted me to ask you and I think you're kind of explaining it here, but it's, so when you're in a, in a submarine and you're on the tower and then you look through the periscope, you can see further from the periscope, then you can from standing on the tower, cuz it, the periscope stands up taller. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now I think what you just showed, I think that explained some of it, but can you, do you have more on that? Dave Weiss: Yeah. Yeah. So, People think you're, you're taught that, you know, cause you're higher, you can see over the curve of the ball. It's not, that's not, that may or may not be true, but the ball's so big, you know how much higher you have to go to see how much farther. Dave Weiss: When you are looking out at the angular size you have an a, it's called the angular resolution limit of your eyes. So when when I look down at the floor, six feet below me, I see the length of the floor. But as it goes away, the floor rises and rises and rises and it keeps trying to [00:14:00] get up to my eye level, right? Dave Weiss: And there becomes a point where there's a horizon. Now, if the earth was a ball 24,901 miles around, I'm six feet tall, standing at the edge of calm water, I should not be able to see the surface of that water beyond three miles, cuz there's a six foot drop of three miles. So the water. The water, I should not be able to see behind it because there's a physical horizon, just like it's blocking my mouth right now. Dave Weiss: You can't see cuz there's a physical horizon, right? But on a flat earth, on a flat earth, the horizon is optical. And I'm gonna show you that a horizon is optical, right? So if you get up higher, you're just increasing the angle, your Dave Weiss: angle of you, and it allows you to see farther, right? A snake on the floor in the Home Depot can't see as far as you standing up, looking out, right? Dave Weiss: Because that everything rises up to high level and then it [00:15:00] mirages from there, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If I was, if I was on a round earth, yeah, I still shouldn't be able to see significantly farther, unless I, I go significantly higher, right? Dave Weiss: On a round earth. Look at this. So if you're watching the sunset, if you're watching the sunset over the calm water, On a round earth, that sun should merge with the water three miles from you because you can't see the surface of the water any farther because it's dropping, the earth is dropping away. Dave Weiss: So where you see the sun intersecting, the water is three miles away. You ever witnessed that? No. When you look at the sun, it's like, I don't know, is it 30 miles away? 20 miles away? 50, a hundred? It's not three. Okay. But then there's a lot of stuff that goes on. Let me show you, I'm trying to find a specific video. Dave Weiss: So this boat is sitting there. As I zoom out, this boat becomes too small for you to see. Now, if I went up, I might be [00:16:00] able to see it without zooming in because I, I'm increasing my angular size. So literally the bottom of the boat, the bottom of a building will disappear before the top of the building due to its, has the lowest angular. Dave Weiss: Size from your eyes, right? Anything beyond 0.02 degrees is too small for your eye to see. The formula there is anything that's 3000 times as far as its diameter is impossible to say. So if you had a penny 3000 pennies away, you couldn't see it cuz its angular size is too small. If you had something a mile wide, a mile wide, 3000 miles, I gotta look into that cuz you can't see 3000 miles that's, that's the problem. Dave Weiss: Like a basketball line up 3000 basketballs, you won't be able to see the last one. Okay. Dave Weiss: [00:17:00] You with me? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No. With, with, with that, if we could look at like a star. Because, you know, I mean, stars are big, but we're told they're much further away than, than 3000 times the right diameter. Dave Weiss: Right? Well, so, so here, here's the other thing. Dave Weiss: Let, I just wanna show you a, a couple things here. Now, you see this boat here, these waves in front of this boat are hiding the bottom half of the boat. And if you zoom out, you don't really see those waves, right? But these waves are hiding the boat. And if that boat went a little bit farther, you wouldn't be able to see it, okay? Dave Weiss: You wouldn't be able to see it because it would just, the, the boat would be getting smaller and those waves in the foreground are staying the same sides. I think this is the one I wanna show you. So here's this sailboat, and you got these waves in front of it, and it, you keep losing part of the boat. You zoom out, someone's gonna say, oh, that's just, it's b below the curve. Dave Weiss: It's not, it's behind the waves. And if [00:18:00] there's no waves, there's atmospheric there's moisture in the air and. And it, it all just blocks everything down low. So I'm trying to find a, find one where I have a, there's another, oh, here we go. So look at this boat way in Dave Weiss: the distance. It's still there on the horizon. Dave Weiss: It's way past that boat. Okay. But I can still see it. And if you look carefully, you can still see the water beyond that other boat. Zoom out. They all disappear. Okay. Dave Weiss: It's. As flat as can be. It's so no boats on the horizon. Zooming in, zooming in, zooming in. Oh, there's a boat. Just comes outta nowhere. Okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It just seems like it just appears at one point. Dave Weiss: It, it does. That's that's because this is how our eyes work. People have no idea how our, how our eyes work. Dave Weiss: Okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. [00:19:00] I've seen you, you do a video of the sunset and it, it's smaller, smaller, smaller than just seems to disappear, which is that same phenomenon we just saw with the Dr. Sam Sigoloff: boat. Dave Weiss: Yeah. It gets Oh, oh, the, the, the sun, the the sun fade out. So is that the one you're talking about? Yes, sir. Yeah. So let me, let me show that for those of you that that don't know what we're talking about, the Here. Dave Weiss: It's, so, this only works on a cle super clear day. Okay, super clear day. So I got a drone up and it's, and it's super cold there. It was literally B freezing. It was 32 degrees actually that day. And the sun went down, down, down, down. Now if we were spinning, it would just keep on going, right? Cuz we're spinning at a constant speed. Dave Weiss: But it went down, down, down, down, down. It stopped. It sat here. This is super sped up. It just sat here for 10 minutes and it just took its light with it and it disappeared. [00:20:00] Okay? People go, well, I watched a million sunset. How come I've never seen that? That's C g I. I've live streamed this. I've filmed it seven different times. Dave Weiss: I have the high definition up there. The thing is, the reason you haven't seen it is, You weren't hanging out outside when it was freezing cold. You weren't at altitude and filming with a 4K camera. Okay? Because you can't see this with your naked eye, right? It just takes its light away. Dave Weiss: It is wild to see. Yeah. And when people really start to understand you know, how, how we see and what the sun is doing, then you get it. But the problem is people are lazy and they they don't, they don't wanna they don't wanna take the time. Here's the, what people say is, well, the sun, if we get smaller and smaller on your flat pancake earth, and I'm like, okay, well let's have a less than perspective. Dave Weiss: This train is getting smaller [00:21:00] because this viewer is looking at it from the same level as it goes away. Okay. These lines are all level. But if you look at these red lines, look at these here. Look at, they're going down, but they're all level. But this is how our eyes see things that are above us. So here is a a normal view. Dave Weiss: And then this is a what do call Muppet vision. It's a I forget the word you're looking. No one ever sees from the side. You never look at your side of your face, right? Mm-hmm. And so the sun is just going away, but it's dropping due to perspective. And this is what this person sees. Okay? So now if we take the train cars, they're already smaller because it's already away. Dave Weiss: It's already shrunk and it's just going away, right? So here's a real world example, not just a car cartoon. We got this ball. And this ball, they're both the same. This one's six feet away, I think. Okay? And we're at the same [00:22:00] level. We're at the same level. It's a wiffle ball. Another wiffle ball. Okay, now we're gonna raise the camera up. Dave Weiss: We could flip it around. I, I can't put the balls in the ceiling, so I'm just gonna raise the camera up. Now. I'm not gonna get any closer to this one. I raised the camera up right? And the balls become basically the same size. I'm no closer to this one. Right. And now, yeah. Well, this one's a little bit smaller. Dave Weiss: Well, you know what? Sometimes the sun is a little bit smaller, okay? And, but when the sun is going farther and farther away from you, you have more and more atmosphere. And it's also getting magnified. So as it's shrinking, it's getting magnified. It's a delicate balance, right? But the other thing is telling, you know, measuring the sun during the middle of the day is really hard. Dave Weiss: It's cuz it's glare, right? You can't really see it. Okay. And then at the very, very end, you know, all the globes with my [00:23:00] sun fade out, they'd be like, Dave, you know, put on a solar filter. You put on a solar filter, you can't see it, it disappears, it's gone. Right? Cause you need a really bright, it's not bright enough to push through the solar filter. Dave Weiss: So so my point, what was my point? My point was the sun, sometimes it's bigger, sometimes it's smaller. But you know what, you ever watch a a giant, you know, a giant, the sun's giant or the moon is giant on the horizon, that is an optical illusion. What do I mean by that? Right? Hold your finger out. Dave Weiss: You know, like, okay, my pointer fingernail covers the sun, okay, at arms lanes, and then do that at noon. Or when the sun's high in the sky, much smaller and it's the same thing. Or do it with the moons. You don't have to deal with the glare. You get the giant moon, then a couple hours later, it's tiny, but hold your finger out. Dave Weiss: It's the same size. It blocks it out the same. Okay? And another thing you can do to short circuit the way you see it. You know, you ever see a giant [00:24:00] moon? Take a picture of it, look at the picture and go, it's tiny. It looks tiny in the picture. It's your brain. It's the way, it's the way your brain is doing it. Dave Weiss: When you see a giant moon turn around, put your back to the moon, bend over and look at the moon through your legs upside down, and it will be tiny. Because it's short circuits your brain. Because just because it's on the horizon, it's near things. Your brain is interpreting the size differently and you, it's hard to break that, that illusion. Dave Weiss: But it, it works. Yeah. Upside down and backwards. Illusion. Check it out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Those, those brain tricks are real. That's how musicians work. That's how you can put two dots on a piece of paper eye with the part, look at one dot and the other one completely disappears. Your brain will just, it has a blind spot and it just stretches that white to cover up that black dot because it doesn't see that spot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so your brain does this optical [00:25:00] illusion. So your, your brain is pretty powerful. Dave Weiss: Ab Absolutely. Have you seen, let me just show you how, how powerful your brain is. Now, this is not a rectangle. It's, it's shorter over here and longer over here, and it's spinning around in a circle. It's not going back and forth. Dave Weiss: Okay. It's just spinning around, but your brain won't let you see it because it can't bring this shorter edge closer to you. Okay? It's spinning around. So, so these windows are cut out. So what if we stuck a pen through the window to help break the illusion? Okay, so this guy's got a pen. He's got a little piece of tape on it, and he is gonna, he's gonna stick it through, through one of the windows and he is gonna spin it around, right? Dave Weiss: So he sticks it through and, and now he is gonna spin around. Remember, it's just gonna be spinning in one direction. Do you think you'll be able to see that it's spinning? I think I'm Dave Weiss: gonna see a pin break a couple of times. [00:26:00] So he's, he's spinning the, the, the, the thread and he is just gonna let it unwind, right? And now your brain is gonna do the weirdest thing ever. Dave Weiss: Yeah, it's so weird. Okay. So unless you can touch it, feel it, measure it, or know for a fact the size or the distance, you can't make any positive claims. Dave Weiss: Pretty crazy, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It is. It's hard to look at cuz it's like, I know they can't happen Dave Weiss: because you don't know what's going on. All right, go ahead. Sorry. We were off on the side lead away. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, that, that's, that's perfect. The corola effect. Can you describe what's happening, you know, what, what they say is happening and then what, what you think is happening? Dave Weiss: So I last show the other day and I'm [00:27:00] pointing out all this science and they're just denying, denying, denying, denying. And they're like, wait a minute, but toilets go backwards in Australia. They don't, okay. They don't drains spin depending on how the water enters them. Okay. You got these hucksters at the, at the equator that'll show you, you know, they're, they're on one side of the equator and they pour water in and it spins one way, and then they go to the other side and it spins the other way and they go on the equator and it goes straight down. Dave Weiss: But if you watch, as they pour the water in, they pour it on the right side of the drain and that makes it go counterclockwise. And they pour it on the left side of the drain. It makes it go counterclockwise or vice versa. Counterclockwise the clockwise. Right? And, and people don't notice that subtle little shift. Dave Weiss: Okay? And that's the case. Matter of fact, I have a friend in Australia. I. Literally just the other day, she just sent me a picture of her, a video of her toilet flushing. And it [00:28:00] doesn't spin either direction. It goes straight down. I'm like, I'm like, oh, you must be on the equator. It's so stupid. Dave Weiss: But there is a tendency for weather systems to spin in opposite directions on on opposite sides of the equator. Okay. And that's simply the sun and the moon le in my opinion, leave an electromagnetic wake. Okay, so the sun and the moon are traveling in between the two tropics here. So everything on one side will spin on the south, will spin counterclockwise and everything in the north will spin clockwise. Dave Weiss: Take your hand, roll it through a tub of water or whatever, a paddle or whatever, and then look, you'll get counter rotating. Vortexes has nothing to do with the movement of the container. It has to do with the energy moving through the atmosphere. And what people don't realize is there's many times there's storms that cross the tropics and are spinning [00:29:00] in the wrong direct. Dave Weiss: Totally negating the idea of Corliss on the, on the app, on the flat Earth, sun, windows clock app. If you hit the question mark button and you scroll down to Corliss right here, second row whole bunch of videos that will fully explain what's going on there. Better than I could do right here in a podcast. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That, that's actually a great explanation and, and what explained to you, cuz the reason I was asking is like snipers who do long, really long distance shooting, or if you're doing cannon Fire really long distance, 20 plus miles, you have to account for that effect. And that would make sense because these things are. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Metal and if there's some sort of E M f. Dave Weiss: Yeah. The longest range's, much dunno. Someone just made the world record, I think it was four miles or two miles. I think it was four miles, actually I'm not, whatever the distance it was. And we actually Jaren from Jism actually contacted the sniper and the guy's like, no, I don't ca calculate for Corliss. Dave Weiss: Okay. Okay. So, you know, wow. You got somebody in your scope a mile, two miles [00:30:00] away, right? And then you're like, okay. Calculate your position, the angle to the equator, the, the, the rotation speed. Then, then you fucking move to the left. So hopefully the bullet will hook and hit the fir, hit the target. I mean, it's, it's retarded. Dave Weiss: Now. You look up Corola, Google's gonna serve you a guy that says that he calculates for corola and show you a pamphlet that says it. But all the snipers, we've talked to many of them. They say they never calculate for it. What's that? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I do have to say that the guy who told me this was a lieutenant Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Back when I was a cadets. So there could be a reason there that he would Dr. Sam Sigoloff: told me that, Dave Weiss: that what? That the, that you do calculate for Corliss. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. He was in a fire direction control center, which is for artillery and he was a lieutenant. I'll just leave it at that. And everyone knows what that means. Dave Weiss: Yeah, so you, you calculate for temperature, for air pressure, for for wind, you know, mo mostly. And for drop, like the, the with the rail gun shoots over a hundred [00:31:00] miles, but a hundred miles, there's 6,000 feet of curvature. You know, 6,000, 600 feet of curvature at a hundred miles. That's over a mile of curvature. First, how the hell are they targeting the thing? Okay, now that thing goes at whatever feet per, per minute or whatever, all they have to do is calculate. Dave Weiss: Cuz if you, if you shot the thing perfectly level and at the same time you dropped a piece of that artillery, they would both hit the ground at the same. Okay. So the, the, the amount of time that it takes there, all they have to do is calculate how fast something drops. So use that formula and say, okay, it's gonna take it four seconds to get there, or 20 seconds to get there, or whatever it is. Dave Weiss: And they're like, okay, we have to, we wanna shoot it at an angle, an upward angle of, you know, of a fraction of a fraction of a degree, just to account for that [00:32:00] drop, to make it go in a straight line across the plane. It's not shooting around a curve. Okay? And sonar actually proves that, you know, submarines sitting on the bottom of the ocean can see another submarine over a mile away. Dave Weiss: There should be a mountain of dirt, 6,600. And that what the sonar climbs over the mountain, goes down, hits the submarine, climbs back up, comes back down and goes to the radar. The sonar operator, I don't think so, doesn't work that way. I know. So Dr. Sam Sigoloff: when I actually spoke to a submarine and he, he's, you know, hiring rank and he's not convinced that the earth is a globe either, and he circumnavigated the earth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm just like, Hmm, that's, that's an interesting thing. Dave Weiss: Yeah. Circumnavigation proves the earth is flat. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And can you go into that a little bit? Cuz for most people will be like, oh, that, how can you say that? That, but there's a particular way that we've never circumnavigated the Dr. Sam Sigoloff: earth, right? Dave Weiss: Yeah, yeah. Dave Weiss: So, so here's this is how it [00:33:00] works. The flat earth, you got your magnetic north. So I got a magnet here. I got a compass here. And look at the needle, the needle's pointing to the north. So now I'm trying to push this west. I have to keep turning, I have to keep correcting to the north cuz west is right here on the compass. So I'm trying to go west and west is a circle. Now this doesn't prove the earth is flat or globe because it's the same in the north on both the, the globe, globe and the flat globe and flat earth. I'm trying to go east. Look, compass is maintaining, it's north east is a circle. I came right back to where I started. Dave Weiss: Now if I try to, dead reckon, so I'm pointing west right there. So that stick is west and I'm gonna follow the stick instead of my compass. I'm already going south. South is every direction away from the north. Okay? These are all south. Every one of these lines, rating it out from the center is a south line. Dave Weiss: Now on a globe, if I [00:34:00] go south, I should pop up over here. No one's ever gone from Santiago and popped up in Australia, ever. No one's ever done it. South is you, you can't circumnavigate south. Now I'm going north, north, north, north, and look, now I'm going south. Compass just did a 180. Every straight line is south. Dave Weiss: Every straight line is south. You know, people go well. You know, no one's ever circumnavigated north to south. You know, the and a lot of people love bringing up the sailboat race. The Antarctic sailboat race. Right. Where they supposedly circumnavigate Antarctica, but they're using G P S G P S is telling 'em how far they go. Dave Weiss: But in the south, g p s doesn't, rec doesn't reckon with, you know, if you use stars as navigation or, you know, figure out how fast you're going, you're like, wait a minute, it has us going at three miles per hour. These boats go 20 to [00:35:00] 25 miles an hour. Okay. But on their website, from Johannesburg to Brazil, just this leg of the race is 32,000 miles on their. Dave Weiss: What's the, the circumference? The circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,900 miles around. Okay, so this leg around the, just the Antarctica, which is supposedly like 11,000 miles around, or, you know, between 10 and 13, they can't make up their mind 32,000 miles, and then they gotta go from here to here, which is actually more miles than you realize. Dave Weiss: Okay. It's all nonsense people, you know, like, well, there's a, there's a little drone boat that they sent around, and it sort of get the freak outta here. You know, the, the, it's so stupid when people, the, the, the excuses that they bring up, okay? These boats don't go three [00:36:00] miles an hour, okay? They go three miles an hour when they're tied to the dock, all right? Dave Weiss: Right. This is, It's the 32,000 miles that looks more like 32,000 miles maybe. Okay. Maybe they even cut over here. Who knows where they're going? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, can, can we, and I don't know if you're ready or you want to get into this, but why, what's the purpose? What, why would they try to trick us? I mean, nevermind that we've been tricked for years of medicine and they, they want to, you know, make us do what they want. But, but what, what would be the reasoning why they wouldn't allow someone to go from north to south? South to north? What would be the reasoning why? Just Dr. Sam Sigoloff: why, Dave Weiss: why, why would they do it? Why would they do it? How would they do it? Right. Why? Let's, let's let me, let me show you a quick thing. So here's the map of the world, and we're gonna cut out [00:37:00] just this section right here. Okay? And now we're gonna cut that out and we're gonna wrap it around a sphere and say, this is the whole world. Dave Weiss: This is all that there is, and you're not allowed to go south. Okay? What if the world was set up like this? All of these ponds, each pond is a different world, and we live here in the middle of this pond, and they did the same thing. They cut it out and they wrapped it around a sphere and said, this is where you live and you're not allowed to explore South. Dave Weiss: How would you know that there's anything else out there that you're at the center of creation. Okay, so the globe lie. The globe is a prison for your mind, okay? They want to, [00:38:00] they want to trap you. This is here. The bottom line is this is a spiritual war. They want your soul and they fishing for it with the soul lure system. Dave Weiss: Okay, they're making up Go, go ahead. Do you wanna say something? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, one thing I've never understood, and if this is a three-dimensional system or a four-dimensional system really with you know, like in, like in an atom, you've got the center, you've got different clouds. And we, we say that the electrons are in this, they're approximated in this space, but in the solar system, they're all on the same. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Every planet is in the same plane. That makes no sense to me why they're in the same plane. Cuz if gravity is the way they explain it is and everything, then it should be in valence, like an electron. It should be somewhere in this area and we should find that planet circling anywhere in that area. But, but they say that they're all in the same plane. Dave Weiss: The, the whole motions of [00:39:00] the stars are, are absolutely insane, right? We're, we're spinning cork screwing through space. We're spinning, we're orbiting, and we're chasing the sun and that entire thing's moving sideways. Okay. Versus a flat earth where all of the stars are fixed above us. Turning around essential point, which we call Polaris. And when we look up, we see this. If this was true, this is what we would see. Okay. It's retarded. I'm sorry. It's just absolutely retarded. I'm, I'm bringing it back. That word by the way, cuz they've taken it from us. Because if people use the word retarded, they'll start to realize that the heliocentric model is retarded. And they don't want to tie those two things together. Dave Weiss: Sorry, didn't to derail your, from your, your spiritual No, no. It's all right. It's alright. Leave it as spiritual offer. So, There's divine law, which is the law of God. There's common law, law of the land, and then statute law, admirable maritime law, which is [00:40:00] the law of the sea or man's law, right? In order to convince man to give up his divine rights, and they're common and you're common rights, you have to convince them that they're not divinely created, okay? They're not the divinely created, and Dr. Sam Sigoloff: so this is, that would be a position where, let's say the state gives you rights rather than protects the rights that you already have because you're human. Dave Weiss: Nobody gives you rights. You are born with rights. The state tries to pretend that they take your rights and that they grant your rights. They don't, the only rights they can take it away are the ones that you, what do you got there? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Constitution and declaration. And these say that exact thing, that our rights are given to us because we are created. Not because of the state. And the state is there to protect those rights. And when that they stop protecting those rights, it is your duty to dissolve those bands that connected to us. Yep. So, and form a new government to protect those rights. Dave Weiss: So [00:41:00] if you've trapped people's minds, so your, your thoughts create your reality, your thoughts create reality. You are responsible for all of the good things in your life and all of the bad things in your life because people don't realize this and they don't want people realizing this, that the, the vibration frequency of your thoughts attract whatever that vibration is to you. Dave Weiss: You're, we live in a, in a magical, amazing realm where your thoughts create your reality. Okay? You are solely responsible for your life, right? And all the things that you have in your life are because of the way that you think. Right? People that that live paycheck to paycheck. Live paycheck to paycheck. Dave Weiss: Cuz that's how they think. Okay? People that. I think the world is horrible. Well that's cuz that's how they think. Right? Two people can watch the same event and one people go, oh my God, that's awful. And the other person goes, oh my God, that's amazing. Right? And it's all how you look at the world, right? And [00:42:00] so your thoughts if they're limited, like my thoughts expand outwards. Dave Weiss: I know that there is infinite land, infinite energy, free energy infinite food. I mean food, right? You stick a seed, a hundred year old seed in the ground, water will fall from the sky and food will grow outta the ground. Don't tell me there's a food shortage, there's a gardening knowledge shortage. Okay. Dave Weiss: You know, people have no idea how this, how this place works. So if they have you in a ball and they say, global warming, we're running out of land, we're overpopulated when every family could have an acre in Australia and. Rest of Australia, half of Australia would be empty. Okay? Right? That's if there's 8 billion people, okay? Dave Weiss: It's, it's ridiculous, right? We're running outta fuel. There's free energy everywhere. They're hiding free energy. Okay? We're, we're trapped on this ball. So if you're trapped in a ball, your thoughts are limited, you've cut off your ability. You live in [00:43:00] fear. Right. They control your mind with the tell Live vision programming. Dave Weiss: They're programming your mind with the news. They're steering it. Northeast West, south News is an acronym for steering your Mind. And they make you worry and they give you headlines. The headlines, right? When you, when you're worried. And so if you live in fear and you don't think that there's any more, and you believe in government than you've given away your rights, you've given away your ability to thrive and reach your true potential. Dave Weiss: They don't want us reaching your meeting our true potential. And the Rockefellers said it themselves. They said I think it was Rockefellers. They said, I don't want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers. So you go to college. And they teach you, they don't teach you life skills in college. Dave Weiss: They teach you horrible. They teach you nonsense, right? They teach you how to become a good little slave, right? So anyone listening to this, if you're sending a kid to college, you are wasting their money. [00:44:00] You are setting them up for failure. There's so many better ways to educate yourself. And one of them, I'm gonna throw it out there, I'm gonna take better than any college ed education would be if you hit the homeschooling button here and you go to Crow Triple Seven Radio. Dave Weiss: Are you a subscriber to Crow? Do you listen to Crow? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm not aware of it. Dave Weiss: So it's $8 a month better than any college, okay? Right. Okay. The Fri, he does a two hour podcast twice a week, and there's like over 400 past episodes. So here's college ready. You get your kid and you okay? Don't just make your kid do it. Dave Weiss: Listen to one episode a day, two new ones a week, and three old ones, right? So it's two hours a day. You can listen to it while you're gardening, while you're bike riding, while you're kite surfing. If you have some waterproof stuff, you can listen to it while you're driving somewhere, while you're whatever. Dave Weiss: You can just listen to it while you're putting a new roof on your house, okay? [00:45:00] So you can listen to it while experiencing life rather than sitting in a jail, you know, looking at a chalkboard and having a teacher, you know, raise your hand when you have to go to the bathroom and then going for your shitty lunch, okay? Dave Weiss: You can you, after a couple of weeks, let alone months or a year, you have now have more life skills than any college is gonna give you, right? You're gonna learn how to navigate this infected infested realm of evil. This infested with evil realm we live in, right? So, That's it. So, you know, I remember when my son was born, I was like, oh my God, I have to save for college. Dave Weiss: Oh my God, I have another kid. College. College. Right. Cause that's where we're programmed, right? It's nonsense, absolute and total nonsense. The only thing college is, is a social experience. How to live away from home and take responsibility for yourself. Guess what? Get your kid, get a bunch of kids that are ready for college. Dave Weiss: Rent them a house down on like Cape Hatteras, South Carolina or wherever. Right? Right. That'll [00:46:00] cost you a couple thousand dollars. Right. And then have them listen to their crow episode every day. Have 'em learn how to kite surf. Have 'em get a job, work for a little bit. Make a little extra money. Have 'em grow a garden. Dave Weiss: Okay. Right. Those kids are gonna be the smartest kids around. Right. This whole college debt system. You know, is ridiculous. You know, you, you come outta college with college debt, then now you have to, you know, you know, especially doctors, doctors have to pay off their loans. Then they become slaves to the drug company. Dave Weiss: And the drug company's like, you know, we're gonna send you down to The Bahamas if you keep prescribing these drugs. Right? It's all, it's all absolute and total control. So bottom line is they're hiding your true potential. They're hiding free energy. Right? There's already free energy. If you look back in like the Arian research, you know, the old world, they had free energy. Dave Weiss: Okay?[00:47:00] You just have, they're, they're, they're hiding it. It's, it's plain and simple and obvious. I mean, why in the hell in the world would anybody that creates a perpetual motion or an over unity device become a national security threat? What. Right. And people well over Unity doesn't exist. That's what they've brainwashed you to, to believe. Dave Weiss: They do exist. I've seen it, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but just in my rudimentary research, I went to US patent office and I found some device that has super luminal speed and super luminal means faster than the speed of of light. And allegedly, that's not supposed to happen. But here's a patent that talks about changing gravity and super luminal speed. It's like, well, well that's, that's interesting. How can we go faster than the speed of light when allegedly, that's not supposed to happen? Dave Weiss: I'm not even sure. Light travels, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:48:00] right? I mean, like when you start questioning, when you start pulling up that little tapestry, the whole rug comes undone. You're like, well, let me question everything with boldness. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Or if there was a creator, he would want us to question him with boldness then to leave blind faith. Right. And I think it's, it's our, it's our duty to do that. To, to look into everything and start questioning things. Like, for me, it was the food and then it kinda led into the covid and now it's leading into just every area I'm gonna be having a guest on soon talking about organ transplantation and how ooh, people are gonna be shocked by that and they may all change their do organ donor status. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I certainly have already changed it. Dave Weiss: Yeah. And, and people like, well, what about, you know, photos of Earth and all the astronauts that have been to space, they're all eyes, all the photos are admittedly fake. Right. And, and you know, Globe's like there's photos for the [00:49:00] last 70 years, we have photos of Earth. Dave Weiss: I'm like, can you send me one? Oh no. Every excuse in the book, they won't send you one. And then when they do send you one, I'm like, you just sent me like the first photo from a rocket and it shows a perfectly flat horizon. Like, what are you, what are you trying to show me? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You had mentioned something because I, I saw a video you did just recently with St. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Peters and you had talked about, I think he was the challenger. Dave Weiss: Oh, yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And but that conversation that you had with him, the guy that he was talking about, I've broached that subject with him because I've texted him before. Don't, don't do that. That, that won't be beneficial for either of you to that, that guy, the Space Force guy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I also have a friend that I went to residency with who's part of the Artemis program. And I may, if he ends up going to space, I'll see if I can reach out to him. Although I, I doubt he'll talk to me because of my stance on other things. Dave Weiss: So, so hold on. I'm trying to, where are we going here? Dave Weiss: That's not what I wanted. To, to go [00:50:00] get to the challenger a second, but since this came up, I'll, I'll show you. This is the external tank. Have you seen this? Yes. Have you seen this? This is wild. The external tank. So, so they, look, look, they're showing you that they're looking out the window. So it's being filmed from, from the from the, the, the shuttle that's going up. Dave Weiss: It's going up at over 17,000 miles an hour. And, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and this tank is falling away from the Dave Weiss: tank. This tank is going, this is falling Dave Weiss: so fast. It's going, oh. This, this is actually, this is me showing you that this isn't from space, this is from our front yard. This is done by another, another flat earth there. Dave Weiss: Just looking up. Got a solar panel, flip it over. And that's how easy it is. Wow. To fake, right? Oh wow. But yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to show you. Oh yeah. So here, here's this thing. How are they filming this thing? Falling? Doesn't that look like a Dave Weiss: balloon? [00:51:00] I claim it is a balloon. Watch Felix, when he jumps, watch how fast he disappears. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He disappears cuz he's falling. Dave Weiss: He's falling. This thing is 20,000 pounds empty, I think. Is that falling? And how's it being filmed by somebody going up? Imagine trying to film a car and you're on a highway driving a hundred miles an hour and the other car is coming at you a hundred miles an hour. Okay? Dave Weiss: And as it passes you, you try to. You're going 200 miles an hour separating from each other. Now increase that to a thousand miles an hour. You can't even fathom it. That just went by and, yeah, so this is, we're watching this and then all of a sudden we saw this thing, what is this? A cow? I think it's a, it's a quad copter of some sort, right? Dave Weiss: Cuz you got the, you got the four pokes here and this is some sort of recovery vehicle, right?[00:52:00] Dave Weiss: So here it comes. There it is. And it somehow we caught it. Dave Weiss: Don't know, man. This is our NASA's own film. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And shouldn't that be tum? I, I don't know much about physics, but wouldn't that be tumbling if it would just dropped off rather than, cuz it doesn't have to, Dave Weiss: it would be tumbling. Right. But it's not. Right. And the, the whole thing, I mean, when you really look at it, this thing has got P V C along the side of it, right? Dave Weiss: Thing's supposed to go faster than than anything else, you know, faster than the, you know, the SR 71, which is like a needle, okay? A needle it, and it, it can't even have paint on it. It goes mock three, 2.3 or 3.2. This thing's going 10 times faster. 10 times faster. [00:53:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, you'd have a tough time convincing me that that's not in a bowl of water and with a picture below it. Dave Weiss: It could be. I think it's actually just a balloon. I think it's just a helium balloon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's hard to tell when you see something so unusual and it looks unusual. Dave Weiss: Yeah. This is a giant balloon. This is also a balloon. This is also a balloon That was rock. It's just a balloon period. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Even the bottom of it looks of the shuttle. Dave Weiss: Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That portion of it looks like Dr. Sam Sigoloff: it's And, Dave Weiss: and look, it's, look at it. It's wobbling around on the wind a little bit. You see it wobbling. Okay. This is just a little firework show. It got bright lights here and some smoke, maybe a little bit of thrust. Okay. And it's just floating up and away. That's it.[00:54:00] Dave Weiss: And it's leaving a heavy smoke trail. Now all of a sudden, rockets don't have smoke trails. What's going on there? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that, that's interesting. Yeah. Here you can see the cone of fire sticking out with no smoke. Dave Weiss: Yeah. And this is a, this is a docking maneuver. Okay. Check this out. People, people wanna believe that this is real. Dave Weiss: So hold on, lemme get a little farther jump. Okay. So watch this. They're, cause they're gonna film this, this thing's going 17,500 miles an hour and it's doing this back flip. Are you supposed to believe that? Dave Weiss: It's cool? It's like mind blowing. Like, wow, wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what my understanding is, is if the atmosphere is rotating with, with the earth and you have to be outta the atmosphere I mean the angular motion of a molecule of [00:55:00] oxygen could be going at what kind of speeds? Can you imagine if it's, if it's on that, that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Edge of, yeah. Is say a space and atmosphere. I mean, how fast that would, because of the anular motion, as you get further from the center, you travel faster. Dave Weiss: Yep. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Like that guy shouldn't have fallen straight down when you showed him fall. Oh, that's interesting. Dave Weiss: Yeah. There's so many interesting things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He shouldn't have fallen straight down. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He should have fallen and then got carried away by the atmosphere as it was. Dave Weiss: Yep. We saw that Dr. Sam Sigoloff: that tank just blew up. Dave Weiss: Yeah. And the Challenger crew have you seen level and the next level yet? Yes, sir. Okay. I don't think so. So these are two movies that are fantastic. They came out two years ago, one year ago on Flat Earth Day, which is April 22nd, and they're fantastic. Dave Weiss: Do you have my app by the [00:56:00] way? Yes, sir. Okay. So. Next Thursday, the, we're gonna have high def level. Next Friday we're gonna have, is it this Friday? There'll be the high def the next level. And then on Saturday level with me is coming out and we are going to take apart the, the, besides a whole bunch of other stuff, the whole space program and the shuttle disaster. Dave Weiss: Okay. Alleged disaster. This is gonna be a game changer. So many good people in it. So make sure you catch Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. When it premieres, it's gonna be a game changer. But all these people are alive. They all have identical twins. They all w still use the same name work for universities and none of their twins showed up at any of their, at their funerals. Dave Weiss: Weird, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, to have a twin with the same name Dave Weiss: is they have a twin with the same name. Don't you think at least one of them would've spoke at [00:57:00] the siblings funeral? Nope. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Unless they were just too shook up about the whole thing. Dave Weiss: Yeah. That, that must be it. That's a good clover excuse right there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that is wild. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I, I have seen a you know, a few minute thing of, of that and how they have the same name and how they speak the same and they, same motions and sa just, it's, Dave Weiss: yeah, there's all all sorts of stuff. For those of you that don't know my app, you can find it@flatearthdave.com. It's three bucks. Dave Weiss: One time price. There is a subscription. You don't need it unless you wanna message other people or or use a couple of the new advanced features that actually use use cross resources. Have you checked out the new trivia game? So we got a new games page. And if I open up the trivia earth trivia, let's do two questions. Dave Weiss: Ready? [00:58:00] Okay, no problem. We'll do two. So two players. Okay. What is the fifth sign in the Zodiac? Oh, I have no idea. Yeah, me neither. I'll say Virgo. And you could say Leo, and the answer is, oh, you, you, you got it, Leo. Very good. Thanks. Yeah, perfect. Alright, we'll have to do three in case we get it. We'll do three. Dave Weiss: Blue Origin was created by who? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm not sure what Blue Origin is. Dave Weiss: Blue Origin is the space program. The, the, the, the, the, not the, not the, not the, not SpaceX, but Blue Origin is the other one where Captain Kirk went up into space. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, is that Bezos? Dave Weiss: Jeff Bezos. Correct. So we'll both pick Jeff Bezos. We'll both get that right. Dave Weiss: And it goes on and on and on. So, and then we say, and. I got 50% right. You got a hundred. There you go. Nice work. And then the next game that's coming out, oops, that's not I to [00:59:00] do. The next game is gonna be amazing. This game. It's the old concentration game and you have different levels, a whole bunch of different levels. Dave Weiss: And you can play remote, we can connect and then we'll play together. Super fun. Yeah, super fun. Brain, brain strength and gains. But on the app have you used a friend finder at all? I have not. Okay. So. People's like, you know, I wish I knew some people around me that that were flat earthers. So you let a load and it'll show you all of the other people around you. Dave Weiss: Now I can click on any one of these dots. I can click on this guy right here. And there's Howie. If I click on this one, this one's got a profile. I can look a, I can click on that. It's either profile, I can send 'em a message. You can do video calls. I can go into messaging and I got different groups here. Dave Weiss: I can create my own group. [01:00:00] I can do a video call in a group and everybody can join in. It does a whole bunch of stuff, but that requires a subscription of $11. A year. $11. Very affordable a year. Very afford. It's like you ever buy anybody a margarita? There you go. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. That's, that's it. Buy more than that subscription. Dave Weiss: Right? And the, the, the the images section has all sorts of stuff. Like you're trying to talk to somebody, explain flat earth to 'em, just go through these images and isn't moon stuff is really interesting. Yeah. Amazing stuff, right? I mean, my favorite on here, it's like when someone believes in the moon landing. Dave Weiss: You open up, you open up the moon landing and go, Hey, you know, do you think that is real? I mean, that is a spaceship. Are you kidding me? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Zero pressure on the outside and

Today I talk with Dr. Kirk Parsley. He was in the Navy and treated Special Operators and discovered that they had real issues with sleep. This is when Dr. Parsley discovered that the best way to preform is to get better sleep. I use Harvest Right Freeze dryers. I am an affiliate and do get a percentage if you use this link: https://harvestright.com/ I truly believe in their products and have owned a Harvest Right Freeze Dryer since 2016. It is the best way to ensure you have food for you and your family. As always please like, share and follow. Please check out my Patreon account (https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. 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I'm short with my kid, grumpy at work, hard to get along with, get super emotional for no reason. Sex drive sucks. My body composition's shifting, like losing muscle. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I'm gaining fat, but I'm working with the nutrition. I'm working with a strength and conditioning coach. At that point in my career, I didn't know anything about sleep. I didn't have a single class on, on sleep in medical school, nor did any other doctor that I know of. Maybe now, but not by the time I went through training, I think I probably found out how they slept by asking about the meds they were on. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, it took me kind of a while to catch onto it, this little trend that seemed like everybody who came in my office complaining about all these symptoms, which I was calling the SEAL syndrome, since been studied more detailed by, you know, PhDs, and now it's called the operator syndrome.[00:01:00] Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well, thank you for joining me again. Today we have a very special guest and I'll introduce him in just a moment. But we have, I wanna thank all of our Patreon supporters. We have Shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at the $20 and 20 cents. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The we have the Pandemic Reprimand, which is $17 and 76 cents a month, with Ty Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna Frank. The $10 level of with Kevin aos, we have the refined, not burned $5 giving level with Linda Emmy, Joe Patten, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, [00:02:00] and then the, the lowest level where the courage is contagious. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Amanda j Spets, nasty Dorell and Susan. I wanna thank everyone so much for contributing. It does mean the world to me. Now, this next guest I have, he is a doctor who's gone through his own difficulty while being active duty. He first started off as a Navy seal and he completed SEAL training in 19 years of age. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then he went into the Gulf War as a Navy seal. And then in 1994, he left the military to go get a college education. He reentered the military the Navy in particular to attend medical school at Bethesda. Where he became, he was commissioned as an officer in the Navy. In 2000, he began to practice medicine for the Navy Seals. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this is where he learned there's a difference between healthcare. And health. And this is kind of the, the difference between an MD and a do I would suppose is, is that our goal as physicians is to look for health, not just provide healthcare. He had his difficulties treating the special operators [00:03:00] with the medicine they needed to get them at peak performance. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Parsley has worked with thousands of elite performers and has had tremendous success optimizing physical, cognitive, and emotional performance. And he builds this on what we've talked about before at this podcast, sleep, nutrition, exercise, stress mitigation, and with a strong emphasis on sleep. Well, Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Parsley, thank you so much for, for joining me today. As I understand you were having some difficulty when you were in, when you were active duty because you were doing things that were more de centric. And I think we had some, some glitches here and there. And I don't know if we recorded it yet, but I kind of found out that you trained under a DIO before you even started med school, and that kind of helped shape your philosophy, it seems. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yeah for sure. And, and also, you know, I, I mean, I guess I was about 25 when I started college and started working with all those guys. And so you know, my only exposure to doctors had been in the military, like, you know, for navy [00:04:00] physicals, whatever or for orthopedic injuries. So I really thought of medicine was as like a way to help people perform better and that that's kind of the, the way that I always thought about it. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I, I didn't really, I didn't really realize that it was so heavily focused on. Disease care and not even disease care. That's a stretch. You know, yeah. I, I, I don't know what else to call it, but you know, identifying disease and following protocols you know, something like that, which n never, never really entered my mind as the way things would be. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But yeah. You know, when I got to the SEAL teams, you know, these are, you know, by, by and large, you know, by, by society terms, young, young people, you know, whether they consider themselves young or not. Like, you know, a 32, 34 year old seal considers themselves old, old you know, not unlike a fighter or bull rider or something like that, you know, it's just, it [00:05:00] is just a rough, hard job that's better suited for young rubber people. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, when I got there the guys you know, well the, you know, the first thing you know to note is that they're a lot like professional athletes and that they don't, the worst thing that you can do for them is take them out of their job. So putting them on the bench, even for six weeks or in eight weeks is about the worst fate they can imagine. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So they usually don't tell their doctors anything. And you know, the advantage I had, of course, is that I'd been a seal and not only was I a seal, but I, I had, you know, gone through training and done deployments with seals that were, you know, still at the command. So people knew me. You know, I obviously. Dr. Kirk Parsley: At least a decent reputation, and people trusted me enough to come and talk to me. And you never really know what your reputation is. You know the, but I, I feel like I, I had a pretty good reputation. So people came and talked to [00:06:00] me and they were telling me, you know, things that weren't diseases, right? Dr. Kirk Parsley: They were coming to me and saying, Hey, you know, my motivation really sucks. My you know, my concentration's terrible. I sit in meetings, I can't focus for a second. You know my mood's all over the place. I'm short with my kids. I'm I'm grumpy at work. I'm hard to get along with. I get super emotional for no reason. Dr. Kirk Parsley: My sex drive sucks. My body composition's shifting. Like, yeah, I'm losing muscle, I'm gaining fat, but I'm working with a nutritionist. I'm working with a strength and conditioning coach. And you know, at that, at that point in my career, I didn't know anything about sleep. I didn't I didn't have a single class on. Dr. Kirk Parsley: On sleep in medical school, nor did any other doctor that I know of. Maybe now, but not by the time I went through training. And I don't even reme, I don't even really remember if if I asked them about sleep. I think I probably found out how they slept by asking about the meds they were on and you know, it took [00:07:00] me kind of a while to catch onto it, but I caught onto this little trend that it seemed like everybody who came in my office complaining about all these symptoms which I was calling the SEAL syndrome. Dr. Kirk Parsley: It's since been studied more detailed by, you know, PhDs and written up into peer reviewed journals and now it's called the operator syndrome. But it was all, it's all the same findings. And so, you know, of course I didn't have any idea I I, when they, when they first started talking to me, I was thinking, well, you know, in previous war we had these things called shell shock, and we had combat fatigue. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And although these weren't really well described things, this was 2009. So we'd been, you know, we'd been at war for eight years and I thought, well, maybe this is that. And so I kind of started trying to look back towards that, but nothing reached the level of disease, right? So it wasn't like I could just say, oh, well that's this, and so here's the protocol I follow. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And [00:08:00] because I didn't know and, and, you know, I, I was completely honest with them and saying, I don't know. Like, I have no idea what's causing this, but you're not the first guy to tell me this. And in fact, their stories were so similar, you know, after the first 10 guys came in my office you know, the 300 guys who came in, I could have told them their stories and saved time. But I, you know, I always, I, of course I did, and I always went through and looked for unique things. And so originally I started thinking, well, maybe it's you know, maybe it's this thing, you know, this combat fatigue or shell shock or something and look back and see what the treatments, well, nobody really knew then either. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Nobody knew how to treat it then. But I started looking sort of towards non-traditional alternative methods and thinking, well, you know, maybe there's you know, some, maybe there's some sort of toxicity involved. I like, I don't know what, like what's, you know, what, what, what could I possibly look at? Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I really just kind of came up with a lab panel that was anything I could possibly imagine might be affecting their performance. And I had 'em [00:09:00] run to the hospital and it was, you know, 98 different serum markers, you know, 17 vials of blood. Military wasn't a big fan of that. Apparently that was costing about $2,000 per person. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I got, you know, I got in a little trouble for that. You know, but what, what came back was by and large it was, you know, it wouldn't have had I sent it to an endocrinologist or pain specialist, by and large, it wouldn't have re it wouldn't have reached their threshold for disease. Right. But, you know, they're say, they're like, they're testosterone, they're bioavailable free testosterone, any kind, any mark you wanna look at there. Dr. Kirk Parsley: That was all probably in the lowest 10% of the normal range. Right. And the normal range, of course, is a enormous from 250 to 1100. And we can go through the data, you know, like the normal range and the BS there, how, how they came up with that. But, you know, basically all of, everything anabolic, every kind of an anabolic marker you can think of those were all really low. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And sometimes they were clinically [00:10:00] low, but most of the times, I'd say they're the lowest 10 to 20% of the range. Everything catabolic or inflammatory looked really high. Their insulin sensitivity is what really threw me off. Because a lot of these guys I knew really well, and I knew that they were I, I knew how they ate and I knew how they worked out. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I knew how they lived their lives and, and they were doing everything right. And again, they weren't diabetic. They weren't pre-diabetic, but it, you know, it was much higher than you, you know, they're H B A one C, they're fasting insulin, they're fasting blood glucose a lot higher than you would expect for someone that's fit as them as they were. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So like I said, somewhere in the third, you know, first 30, 40 guys I don't know, it ki kind of a bell went off of my brain. I remember really clearly where I was when I was, I was sitting there. Taking down his history and he, and I was asking him about his meds and he said one of the things he was taking was Ambien. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I thought, [00:11:00] wow, it seems like a lot of guys say that. And so I, I made a note in the margin and then I came back later and looked at it looked through all of my patient files because, you know, another thing that they trusted me to do was not put any of this in their medical record if it was damaging, could be damaging to their career. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I kept shadow files and when I left, I just gave them all those shadow files and said, this is supposed to go on your medical record due with it, you know, as you please. You know, like I'm, I'm not the moral arbiter here. And so, you know, I went back through all those shadow files and found out pretty much every single guy who had been in my office. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Well, it was a hundred percent of the people who had come in my office to tell me the story. Were taking Ambien, so I thought, wow. Maybe there's something there. Like I don't, and, and I don't know, like it, it wasn't obvious to me that there was something there, but it just seemed like a hell of a coincidence. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And you know, the, the pharmaceutical game, you know, the F D A owns the research, or I'm sorry, the pharmaceutical industry [00:12:00] owns the research that they give the f d a, they cherry pick, they give the FDA what they want. They don't have to give the FDA a everything, they just give them the most salient data. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, but then if they ever get sued, then they have to cop up all the research. Right? And so they had been sued actually that year was either 2000, late 2008 or early 2009, they had gotten sued for dis dissociative properties of Ambien, which was basically. You know, people were taking Ambien, you know, their neocortex was completely dissociating from their mid-brain and brain stem, and they were just going out and doing animalistic behaviors, picking out prostitutes, gambling over, you know, gorging themselves on food. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, and they were so dissociated. They would go out for four hours, six hours, come home, get back in bed, wake up a couple hours later, and not remember anything. But maybe, you know, if they lived in Vegas, they might have gone down you know, to the [00:13:00] casino and gambled away their life savings or, you know, picked up a prostitute, got arrested for it. Dr. Kirk Parsley: No recollection of this. Anyways, they were sued. When they, when they were sued, they had to cuff up all the data. Again, I didn't know enough about sleep to understand the data, but I started educating myself on, well, what happens when you sleep? You know, like, maybe, maybe this could be affecting some of their performance. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so you know, no big surprise. You know, I would say the average Cici, the average citizen now who engages in social media whatsoever, knows a hundred times more about sleep than I knew at that time. Nobody was talking about sleep. That wasn't, that just wasn't a topic that the, that the culture was talking about. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so, you know, once I learned about sleep and started learning about what happens during the sleep stages, I realize, well, you know, every single symptom these guys are complaining about could be caused by lack of sleep. I didn't, I, I didn't honestly think it would explain everything, but I thought, you know, this is [00:14:00] probably a big mover you know, in some, in like a simple example. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, 95, 90 8% of all the testosterone you make in a 24 hour period, you make during the first four hour four hours of sleep. Right? Cuz you're making it during your, you know, deep sleep, like what we call slow waste sleep cycles or deep sleep or stages, free and poor delta theta, like what? Whatever you know, whatever you wanna call that. Dr. Kirk Parsley: The, the non REM sleep, that's when you, that's when all your hormones are being made and rebalanced and, you know, measured and, and rebalanced. And so I was like, well, maybe I can get their hormones up with that. Maybe if their hormones feel better, you know, if their, maybe if their anabolic hormones go up, they'll feel better than the perform better and blah, blah blah. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I started heading down that way. But before, like I think to your, the question we started with you know, I, I started. I started thinking, initially I was thinking, well, maybe this is adrenal fatigue or something. So I was giving you know, I was giving him supplements. I was giving him Myers cocktails. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I got in trouble for that because apparently giving Vitamin [00:15:00] IVs is beyond the scope of an md, so I wasn't allowed to do that. You know, I, I wasn't allowed to, I wasn't allowed to prescribe supplements. And I, I was like, well, I'm not prescribing 'em. I'm just telling him to go buy 'em such recommendation, but whatever got, you know, got in trouble for that. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And that, yeah, I was trying to use like adaptogens. And so anyway, I, I finally, you know, hit upon this. Sleep thing. And then when I read, when I knew enough about sleep, and then I read the research about what Ambien does to sleep and what alcohol does to sleep. And most of these guys were, you know, having a few drinks every night and taking, you know, usually overdosing on Ambien. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Just the mentality of a seal. You know, one's good, two's better, three's probably great. So, you know, they're taking way more than they should. They're usually having a two cocktails with this. And, you know, it turns out that rem, you know Ambien and, you know, any of the z drugs they, they destroy about 80% of REM sleep and about 20% of deep sleep alcohol destroys about [00:16:00] 80% of deep sleep and 20% of re rem sleep. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So when I sent these guys to get their sleep studies, They, every single one of 'em came back 99% stage two sleep. So, you know, according to a sleep study, they weren't getting any deep sleep or any rim sleep. So how they were surviving, I don't even know. But then I said, well, hey, you know, let's get 'em off of ambient and see what happened. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know? And so I, that's what I did and I gave 'em a little bit of daytime support stuff, but all, you know, all over, all over the counter supplement things that they could do to kind of, you know, inhibit aromatization of testosterone and you know, so I had 'em like on D H E A supplements and then zinc to prevent, or, you know, aromatization pregn alone to kind of give a cortisol pathway. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, and just, you know, basic, very basic stuff. And once they all got off of sleep drugs, which a hundred percent of 'em did You know, I, and, [00:17:00] and of course when they, when I had to get 'em off of sleep, I had to come up with a supplement stack to get them off of the sleep drugs. Cuz they couldn't just say, you know, can't just, like, they're taking ambient because they can't sleep. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I can't just say quit taking Ambien. So I, I came up with the stack and, you know, they helped me. They're very helpful cuz they're great, they're great patients. And they would come in and report to me every day and we kind of figured out the right dosage of the right supplements and, you know, we got, we got all of 'em. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, all of 'em got off of you know, the sleep drugs and, and you know, that, and the combination with the daytime support stuff. They were, you know, they were going from the lowest 10 percentile of the normal testosterone range to the top 10%. You know, I, I had a few guys who go super physiologic for reasons I don't understand. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I guess they were just outliers. Not hugely super physiologic, but, you know, maybe a hundred points out. And you know, that that led to me, you know, beating the sleep drum and trying to convince the leadership that sleep was a problem and [00:18:00] that it was affecting their performance. And then of course, you know, I, I learned more and more over the years and realized, well, yeah, that, that can be affecting their mood and their emotionality and their cognition and their memory and their problem solving skills and short-term memory working memory you know, all of that stuff. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And yeah, like like yourself, you know, I got my privilege is suspended and investigated many times. You know, I, I was told point blank to quit doing it to quit practicing outside of my scope and to just do sick call medicine. And I just nodded politely and said, yes, sir. And went and did what I was going to do. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So. You know, it, it is the only thing that made sense to me. I mean, give, if, if you given the option of satisfying the leadership or taking care of the guys that I'm in charge of taking care of, you know, my brothers, the community that saved my life, you know that's a no-brainer for me. So I just said, [00:19:00] well, I'm gonna keep doing it. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And if they I didn't think they'd throw me in jail, but I, you know, I thought they might figure out a way to throw me outta the military. But they, they didn't other than, you know, just sort of making to where I wasn't gonna advance anymore. You know, but I, I, I wouldn't have needed to, to stand. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But I and then I just figured after all that, rah, it would've you know, I could do a lot more for the guys outside than I could inside. And so I, you know, I got out at the end of. Term or at the end of that payback period from, from going to military's medical school. And I just got out and started my own practice and you know, started seeing these guys on the side. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, you know, ironically, a few years later, SOCOM hires me to come in and lecture all of their healthcare providers about all the stuff that I was doing, you know? Wow. And so yeah, that, that, that's the Reader's Digest version of, of that five years of my life. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:20:00] So what are some of the lab improvements that you s you saw with your patients back then? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just by getting 'em off the ambient, changing their sleep and giving some, you know, nutraceuticals and supplements. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yeah. I, well, I tell you every, everything normalized, like I, I can't think of anything. Now, I wouldn't say everything optimized, but everything normalized. You know, because the, the piece of the puzzle that I didn't figure out until probably two years before I got out was, was the traumatic brain injury. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. They're, they're so you know, they, they're, they've all and I can put myself in this category, like we've all received, you know, thousands, thousands of blast concussions, right? So it is different. It's, it's a, it's a different type of concussion. It causes a sheer force. So, you know, basically you can just picture a blast wave going through, going through the brain or going through the skull and through the brain. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Like any blast, like, I mean, it's [00:21:00] air compression, right? So everything that's a different density moves at a different rate. And so when that happens, everything shears, so the dura shears off the vessels, which shears off the white matter, which shears from the gray matter, which shears from the, you know, vesicular linings. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And you know, and so at, at every interface, you know, you can see beta amyloid plaques. Now we, like, we've seen all this in autopsies and all this now. So the TBI was a component because you know, traumatic brain injury not only causes inflammation to the brain and dysfunction of, you know, what we think of as cognitive issues, but, you know, your, your brain is the regulator of all your hormones, right? Dr. Kirk Parsley: It is it's really, I mean, it's, it's the conductor of the whole show, right? So it's affecting everyth. And so you know, I saw I, but, you know, I saw drastic improvements in everybody. I just didn't probably get to optimal with everyone. But, you know I, you know, higher, higher to, you know, higher, higher total testosterone, higher free testosterone. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I was[00:22:00] you know, I, at that point in my career, I think I had an, I think I was having a really hard time figuring out how to lower sex hormone unbinding globulin. That that doesn't correct automatically, you know, that's something that takes that takes time. But, you know, lowering their estradiol and they, they had the estradiol levels of 30 year old women almost. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I mean you know, they had which raises section one binding globulin, which, you know, reduces the free percentage of testosterone. Their IGF one s would be, You know, a hundred, 110, and they're, you know, 32 years old, they, you know, it should be closer to 300. Their inflammation, you know, so inflammatory markers, oxidative markers those, you know, those came crashing down. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Those would reduce 80, 90%. The, you know, insulin sensitivity, like their fasting insulin would drop by you know, probably threefold. You know, so they, they, like I said, they weren't diabetic, but they're, you know, they were kind of, they were kind of heading up towards that number, you know, [00:23:00] like where, where you're starting to get concerned about insulin sensitivity. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, you know, bringing 'em all, you know, bringing them all back down to what you would expect from a young athletic person, you know, something in the two to five range, two to four range. You know, their HB H B A one H B A one Cs were coming down from 5.8 to 4.8. You know which fit for them, you know, for the diets they were eating and the type of performance they were doing. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So, you know, ev everything really aligned. They were all magnesium deficient. They're all vitamin D three deficient. So, you know, we did that. You know, I think that's, you know, some separate supplementation, but we did that as well. You know, and I had you know, I had some you know, like the ceo, one of the SEAL teams was my patient. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I had a lot of the leadership could, because they were, they were the older guys. They had been struggling with it longer. And by older, I mean they were 40 or or older, right. And but I, you know, I had 42, 43 year old you know, commanders and captains that were [00:24:00] not only you know, they weren't just pring for their. Dr. Kirk Parsley: For their recent elder years, they're pr pring for their life. You know, like they were the fastest, you know, the fastest three mile run they've ever done in their life. The fastest you know, the, the, whatever the, the highest squat, the power cleans. What, what CrossFit times, whatever it was they were into, you know, they were getting, you know, they were, you know, after a year of treatment or so, they were getting the, the best performance they'd ever had in their lives. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And then, of course, one of the, one of the fastest markers you see or one of the things that comes out so obvious which we validated on the rehab side, is that we, you know, we cut rehab time down by, you know you know, cut it in half roughly, you know, at at least yeah, at at least 30 or 40% faster. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But the vast majority of re rehab time was cut in. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's amazing. I mean, it seems like you were making amazing leaps forward and, you know, this is how medicine seems to be. This is what I've noticed is they don't, [00:25:00] well, science in general is they don't like the new thing until, until it's been around long enough, then you don't wanna be the last one on, and that's why they probably Right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hired you to come back and teach what you had already been doing. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right, right. Well, and now it's now I think it's, you know, a lot of it's caught on. In fact, I remember, I, I just so happened on a, on a flight to be sitting next to a, an, an MD PhD professor who I mean, she was at a big school one of the Ivy League institutions one, or at least one of the, the elite upper, you know, blue chip ones. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And And she taught medical ethics. And and I told her kind of about some of the trouble that I'd been in. And the one thing that she harped on was, you know, the one thing that she really focused on after, after all I told her, the, the thing that stood out to her was that I was giving [00:26:00] guys Arimidex to, you know, to lower their estradiol levels, lower their sexal on binding globulin to increase their free percentage of testosterone. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. And she said, you know, you really don't wanna be the first doctor giving any medication for the, for any, you know, any cause, you know, for a novel cause or a novel, you know, using a medication in a novel fashion. And I was like, well, Somebody has to be the first one, or it never happens. Right. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know? And she's like, well, I'm just telling you from like a medical legal standpoint, you're really putting yourself at risk with that one. And I was like, all right. And now, yeah, now that's common knowledge. Like, you know, everybody like strip mall doctors who do, you know, weekend hormone COR courses and you know, whatever, open up little low T clinics or whatever they call 'em, you know, like, you know, those guys are doing it, like everybody knows it now. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Same thing with sleep. It's like[00:27:00] when I, I, and I'm not exaggerating, and this, it literally happened to me where I got laughed out of the office of the leadership when I was telling him that lack of sleep was lowering our guys's testosterone and growth hormone levels. And they just thought that was the most ridiculous thing they'd ever heard of in their life. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And that I needed to go back to medical school. And I was like, all right, well and then of course, You know, it, it caught on. And now, you know, now, now the average, the average person who listens to a few Health, health and wellness podcast is, knows all that stuff. That, and, and, you know, and the benefit that I did have, you know, there, there were, there were doctors out there in the world who knew this stuff. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And because I, you know, because I was a doctor for the West Coast Seals and they had, you know, they had a pretty big media presence and sort of a quasi celebrity status. I could call up people and, you know, after I could read someone's book or hear 'em lecture or, you know, watch their TED Talk or something, and I could just call 'em and say, Hey, I'm Kirk Parsley. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I'm the, I'm the [00:28:00] doctor for the West Coast Seal teams. You know, I have found what you said really interesting, intriguing. I, I was wondering if I could consult with, consult with you with my clients or maybe come train with you or whatever. And every single person that I had contacted every single one of 'em were falling over themselves to be helpful. Dr. Kirk Parsley: They all like, so I, I, I get to learn from some really top tier people really early. And, and I got to learn a lot. And so it, it kind of, you know, launched my, my knowledge level. Something that probably would've taken me 10 years I learned in a couple of years. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think that's one thing that's really important to understand for the listener and the viewer, is that you don't have to go to a specific accredited course to, to learn good information. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You can learn it from podcasts, you can learn it from hearing it from a podcast and then go studying with that guy that did that lecture and learning straight from the source. And you can learn so much faster than having you know, these. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And in fact, that's Dr. Kirk Parsley: yeah, I, I was gonna say in fact that that's [00:29:00] the best way to do it, you know, because when, when you look at things like, you know what they started with you know, they started with cam complimentary and alternative medicine, and then there were alternative medicine pathways, and then there's integrative, and then there's functional and integrative. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But, you know, you, you look at any of these institutions that are teaching functional and integrative medicine, They're teaching it in the same didactic way that we learned medical school. And they're teaching protocols and they're teaching, you know, they're, they're, they're, you know, they're just doing the same damn thing that the medical establishment is doing. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But instead of enriching pharmaceuticals, they're enriching half a dozen doctors that are writing the curriculum and that, and that, you know, that's not the right way either, because everything changes all of the time. And you need to say, Hey, within my patient population, what I keep seeing, what's really bothering me that I don't know how to fix is this. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I'm gonna go learn everything I need to know about that and to where I can, I can work with that. And then I'm gonna do that with something else. I'm gonna do [00:30:00] that with something else. I'm gonna do that with something else. And you, and you have to, you know, you, granted, you have to have your life set up for that. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And if you're working within the big medicine machine, you don't, that's not an option for you. Right? I mean, because you, I mean, whe whether you're working in a hospital or running your own practice, I mean, you're, you're grind, you know, you're using 100% of your energy to do what you're responsible to do. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And then, you know, God forbid you're naive enough to have a family or something like that, or want to have a hobby, you know, there's no time. Like you, you just simply can't do that. You know, people, people bash doctors a lot and, and some of it's well deserved, don't get me wrong. But, you know, people bash doctors a lot for not keeping up on the research. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I'm like, do you know how much research is coming out? I mean, do you, do you understand that? Like you, if it, if you, if you did nothing but read all day if you got up in the morning and you read studies for 12 hours a day, 365 days a year, you would get through about two or 3% of what's published every year.[00:31:00] Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you know that that's not a solution either. You can't just you can't. Read generally, right? You have, you, you have to really just go down the rabbit hole and you have to have the skills to you know, I, I don't, I don't really think I was taught that well in medical school. I think, I think those are skills I learned later. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, and by and large, I'll give a lot of credit to Peter Atia because I'm, I'm, you know, I, I became friends with him you know, probably just about a year or two after getting outta the Navy. And you know, and, and he and I worked together on a lot of stuff. And he, and he really, I think he really taught me how to evaluate research a lot faster, you know, so that I can just throw away silly stuff. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, and, you know, dig in what's what on, what's important. But, you know, the system just isn't, the system just isn't well set up or, you know, what, what we actually need doctors to do. It's not, it's not realistic for them to keep up with it. And these continuing medical education courses, again, [00:32:00] Yeah, that and, and at some level or another and, and it, it would take, it'd take an hour to defend the statement. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But this is something I've thought through and researched through and talked to a lot of really smart people about yeah, the medical education, whether it's continuing medical ed, continuing medal, i continuing me medical education or just medical school itself or nurse practitioners or whatever. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I mean, you like western healthcare, that that information by and by and large is, is from pharma, right? I mean that, that research is funded by pharma at the end of the day and they're, and they're hiring people that are looking into the things they want them to look into. And frankly have a An incentive structure to come up with a conclusion what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to come up with, you know? Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, and I'm not, and I'm not accusing people of malevolent or malicious behavior. I'm, I'm just saying that it, it's, it's human nature to gravitate towards what's rewarding to you. And I think, [00:33:00] I think there's a, a lot of that going on. And so the only way to do it is to educate yourself. And fortunately you know, because of my background and when I started doing all of this, I it was early in the game and, you know, there were, there weren't that many health podcasts out there, and there weren't that many health influencers out there. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, you know, I became friends with a lot of 'em and got on, you know, podcast early and got on a lot of stages early and all that stuff. And with, with that advent of all that, it's allowed me to do private consulting and my private consulting. I can spend a. I can spend 15 hours figuring out one lab value on one on one of my clients that I don't understand if I want to. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. And, and I can spend two hours interviewing my, you know, my clients on their initial intakes and, you know and so it's, you know, my life is set up to be able to do that, but I'm, I'm still, my knowledge is still limited by what I see clinically. Right. I mean you know, there's all sorts of stuff that I don't [00:34:00] see clinically that I know nothing about, that the general practitioner probably knows a lot more than I do. Dr. Kirk Parsley: About, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: have you been treating patients that are Vaxxed injured? Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yes. Yeah. Quite a, quite a few. Unfortunately my mother's one of 'em yeah, my, my mother had a stroke after the vaccine. Fortunately, you know it wasn't, it wasn't a huge stroke. It was moderate in size. But I knew what to do to treat her. And we literally, you know, left the same day she got discharged from the hospital. Dr. Kirk Parsley: We drove straight to a Hyperbarics facility and we started her hyperbarics. And, you know, I, I've started her on sort of all the neurological enhancing peptides and, you know, we, we've, we've done all of the treatments very well, and, you know, she has nearly she, she doesn't have any sequela that you [00:35:00] or I would pick up on, but she has, you know, she has nearly nearly no, no leftover residual symptoms from it. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But yeah, I, I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of it. And and we're gonna say a lot more, you know, I, I heard The, the one podcast I'll always listen to is anybody smart talking about the vaccine. Because that, it, that I, I don't think people will appreciate how, how complex that issue is. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I mean, I I for one thing, I mean, let's be honest, like the human, the human is the most complex thing we, we know of, right? And, and, and we are that, and we have the ability to study ourselves, but we're the most complex thing we, we can imagine. And the body doesn't have SY systems, right? Like it we break it into systems as a way to learn it, but everything. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Everything's working simultaneously and everything impacts everything else. So everything is a part of everything else. So there are, there are no, there are no systems. But if you [00:36:00] want to call it systems, you know, then it's one complex system overlaid by another, overlaid by another, overlaid by another, overlaid by another, living within this environment, which is complex system after complex system after complex system. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And there, there's, you know, there there's no way that any, any one person can really know anything, you know, and collectively we probably understand about 1%, 2% of, of human biology and physiology. But we, we act like we know a lot more cuz we use big words and you know, published papers on 'em, whatever. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, there One thing I just heard Peter McCull say, and, and, well, and I, and I'd heard it earlier on Brett Weinstein's podcast, the Dark Horse. He, he was talking about how, you know, the mRNA isn't even actually rna because instead of Where uridine would be, they'd put a UIL there to make it more stable. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But we don't have an enzyme to break that down so the mRNA doesn't break down. And any mRNA that [00:37:00] stays in the cell long enough forms a plasmid, and the plasmid can be incorporated into the genome. And so, I mean, that's all pur the whole purpose of a plasmid. Then the plasmid can go, can get in the nucleus and actually become part of your dna n a. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And if that happens, well then you have a sequence of your dna N that's going, if expressed, epigenetically expressed, then it's going to produce spike protein for the rest of your life. And the spike protein itself is toxic, so why they chose that one can only guess, but seems like a very stupid idea. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so Yeah, that, that spike protein is, is toxic. And if you're producing it forever you know, even if it's intermittent to leave forever like who knows what it's gonna do? I mean, it's, it's definitely gonna attach to vascular endothelium. It's gonna attach to all solid organs. So you're gonna have liver problems and kidney problems and heart problems and immune problems because it's in your spleen and, you know, intravascular problems. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Anywhere where it's, you know, binding [00:38:00] to intravascularly to say like, you know, a capillary well that's gonna block a red blood cell. And you know, red blood cells obviously go single file through capillary, so there's a spike protein bound in there that's not getting through there. So now you're cutting off blood supply to what. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Anything. Right? And well, if it happens in the brain, we call it a stroke, and if it happens in the heart, then it's a heart attack. But what about when it's happening in your bones or your muscles or your liver, your spleen, or your kidneys or your lungs, or, you know, whatever. I mean, it's still causing damage. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I don't think, I don't think we've I I don't think we're in anywhere close to understanding the magnitude of, of what's likely to come from this vaccine. And we, and we do know that the more vaccines you get, the more likely this scenario is. I've heard, I've heard some postulate, sort of speculations that you know what, what really saved a lot of people was the [00:39:00] instability of the vaccine. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so, You know, when they're, when they're like having vaccines done at a stadium or, you know, to drive through or, or something, those vaccines are probably getting so warm that they degraded. And if they degraded then, you know, you didn't get nearly the same mRNA load, or maybe you got no r no MRR mRNA load. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, with every successive vaccine booster you get, like, you're more likely to get the full dose right. As people get better at preserving it and all that. So, so I, I mean, I, I don't, I don't even want to know where it's gonna go, but I guess, you know, we're gonna see well, we'll, I'll see what I see in my lifetime, but yeah, they're vaccinating children now who will be alive after I'm dead hopefully. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And you know, who knows can it be passed on genetically if it, you know, if it gets embedded into your dna, N a, I probably. I mean, I don't know. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And one thing you said about the [00:40:00] degradation of this mRNA over time, which I think you're right, absolutely right, that it probably saved a lot of people from damaging substances being injected to them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But even SI RNA or small interfering RNA is a thing in the body. And what it's designed to do is when a gene is expressed and it gets sent out of the nucleus, and little bits get clipped off, those little bits that get clipped off, go back into the nucleus and say, quit expressing this gene because we have enough of it available. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that was never brought up in public. No one ever said, oh yeah, your RNA can, you know, epigenic epigenetically affect your genes and how they're expressed. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right, right. And is it, you know, and it is. Well, for anyone who doesn't know, The epigenetics that, I mean, that's far more important than the genetics, right? Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, like every, every cell in your body has the same genetics, but they're not all the same type of cell, right? The reason, the reason a liver cell is different than a kidney cell is different than a heart cell [00:41:00] is because of epigenetic expression, right? The, all the same DNAs in there, it's just like what's being expressed in that cell. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you start changing that, you start changing yourself at a cellular level. And that's not likely to manifest itself until it's really like a really big deal, right? You've, you've completely changed the function of, of a tissue perhaps, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and there's so many people that are not reporting their injuries, and I'm not exactly sure why. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yesterday I spoke to retired Marine General and he, he was unwilling to come on my podcast at this time. I pray that at some point he'll share his story but he left because of his injury. And it's, you know, he was a warrior and he's not happy with, with what happened to him. He's very, he was very upset with what happened to him. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I'm hoping that he'll come on here to help encourage those that refuse to give it to give them strength. And I hope that he comes on to also encourage those that have been injured to speak out about their [00:42:00] injuries so that we get justice here on this earth. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Yeah, I mean, unfortunately I mean, I, I'd say I, I, I probably get a call, at least one call a week probably closer to two calls a week from some military member. And, and this is all word of mouth, of course, I don't, I don't advertise myself, but it's just, you know, through some sort of mutual associate between us. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, I get calls weekly from young guys who have these strange obscure findings that nobody can solve, but is preventing them from finishing whatever training they're in, like, you know, so I get a lot from, unfortunately, I get a lot from pilots. And you know, I've, I've had it as bad as, as one one pilot I've working with, [00:43:00] I, I wanna say he's like 25 ish completely young, healthy guy. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And he was, Four, four flights away from being qualified and, and fighter jets, which is obviously like the most competitive thing. So you know, they gave him like a medical respite and as long as it was less than six 60 days, he didn't have to Dr. Kirk Parsley: go through a med board. And then when I told him what it, what he needed to do to improve his symptoms, Dr. Kirk Parsley: He said, well, you know, I don't think my flight docs are gonna sign off on that. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I said, I, I think you're probably right. You know, so yeah, you can, yeah, you handled that however you want to. And you know, he, he, he went and talked to his flight docs and they said no, that he couldn't do that. Ironically the thing they were the most concerned about was him being in Hyperbarics. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And Hyperbarics is definitely one of the most powerful treatments. And I'm like, okay, well, he kind of does hyperbarics every [00:44:00] day really? He does hyperbarics hypo to back down to ground is, you know, he re so he is like, he's doing hypo and then coming back down to ground was just hyper. So like you know, he, he's compressing from where he was from his hypo state down to ground, state, whatever. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So ironically that was the thing they were the most concerned about. But you know, he, he didn't you know, he, he said he was gonna stick with their advice and then I don't know, maybe two or three weeks later he was hospitalized. They thought maybe he had a stroke and he didn't, he didn't have his stroke, you know, he didn't have a stroke by any clinical findings, but he doesn't, he can't get himself out of this milu, you know? Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I just said, yeah, I like, I like, I I wish you luck and I, I wish you well. But you know, it, it's not. You know, it's not my place to tell this guy he needs to work with, you know, violate his own integrity and work throughout, you know, work around the system. And honestly, [00:45:00] I don't know that I would do that if I were him either. Dr. Kirk Parsley: I would just say, Hey, I'm going to do this maybe, and like, if you kick me out, you kick me out. But, you know, my long-term health is more important than my wings, you know? I, I think is how I would approach it, but you know, but I, you know, he's young and so he doesn't, he probably doesn't think that his long-term health is going to be a problem. Dr. Kirk Parsley: This is just a little glitch and he wants to get his wings and so he is doing whatever he can. But I, I would imagine at this point he's probably in front of a med board and he is probably not gonna be able to, you know, do it. And yeah. And, and I bring that one up just because I You know, that that one was just really kind of heartbreaking for me, you know, because he's, he's so young and such a high achiever, and when we first started working together, we had a real, like a real shot when he first called me. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Had a, you know, a real shot of kind of getting rid of all of those symptoms. Now, how long those symptoms, you know, stay away? I don't know the [00:46:00] answer to that yet, but I have seen a I mean, just night and day difference in people in its little, as, you know, two weeks of treatment. And you, and, and you know, I, I don't treat anybody just for two weeks, but, you know, I have people who I, who I, you know, I had another guy who's a, he's a stunt man and an actor, and. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Former UFC fighter and just, I mean, just an all around amazing dude. And he's about my age. And he had a, he had a stroke from the vaccine as well. And you know, I, you know, I, I treated him and got, you know, we got through a hundred percent of his symptoms and, you know he, he probably hasn't done any treatment now for six or eight months or something. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And he is still fine. He's but I don't know, like maybe, you know, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 months from now, he, you know, some of the symptoms are gonna start coming back. I, I mean, I don't, I don't know at this point how long the treatment takes. But you know, [00:47:00] as we were talking about earlier, if it gets incorporated into the DNA N and it gets re-express, one can only assume it's gonna be either the same result or, you know, whatever, some kind of other result, depending on where it gets written. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Repressed then there's a lot of evidence that it consolidates you know, any, anything that has a ton of capillaries in it or capillary like passages. So think of like, you know, the kidney and the testicles and ovaries and the liver and the, and the spleen and like those types of solid organs that have a ton of blood flow and tons of passages because they're, you know, they're working on one red blood cell at a time, essentially. Dr. Kirk Parsley: Right. You know, all of those are, are likely targets. Right. And then the brain just doesn't take any kind of insult. Well you know, very, takes a very small insult to have a, a really big neurological deficit that could last the rest of your life. So, [00:48:00] like, you know, are, are the, are the people who had strokes, is that, is that their only risk? Dr. Kirk Parsley: Or, you know, do we have to, you know, two years from now, are we gonna see something? Much more common in people I like, I don't know, like, you know my guess would be that you know, depending on, you know, if the plasma does incorporate into your dna you know, does it incorporate into an area of DNA that's highly expressed in that cell, right? Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you know, and, and then that, that would determine, right? Because if your epigenetics are such that, well, that area you incorporated into a liver cell, say but you know, the region that where it incorporated doesn't ever get expressed for liver cells, well then you're probably not gonna have liver problems. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But like, I, I don't know the answer to that. Right. I don't know if there's, if there's a routine place where it's, where it's being embedded or if it's random or something. I, I don't, I don't know enough about genetics to know that, but I, [00:49:00] I do know that. This is not even close to being done. Like we're, we're nowhere. Dr. Kirk Parsley: We're, we're nowhere near the finish line on this. This is, this is, this is the beginning. Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And w with this being the beginning and if people are, are looking for good, good doctors that have a good head on their shoulders, or are you accepting patients and is there a place where people can get ahold of you if you are accepting patients? Dr. Kirk Parsley: I, I'm not, I I'm not accepting patients. I do, yeah, I do one-off consults for, you know, for military folks or like anyone in the civil, like any special forces guys, of course. I see. I, I, I do have private clients, but that's I don't, that's not a, like a dis that's not, that's not like a disease model. Dr. Kirk Parsley: It's a. It's a, it's a health and wellness model, so it's really a li, it's a lifestyle modification course that, you know, is a [00:50:00] year, it's a one, it's a one year annual fee. It, it's prohibitively expensive for most people because I take very few clients so that I can spend a lot of, you know, I can spend as much time as I need. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But if people you know, want to go to my website and ask ask for questions, I or, or, or ask for help if you can gimme the region of, you know, if you can tell me where you live or you know, the areas that you're, you'd be available to seek treatment. I have a, a decent network within America, A few outside the country, but primarily within America. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And, and I'm happy to try to align you with people who, who. Do the types of things that I do. And I am, I am working with several people. We're gonna, we're trying to sort of figure out a way to do you know, some, some sort of registry that people could go to and just like look up physicians who think in this way. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And there is [00:51:00] that frontline doctor's thing, the f l CCC or whatever. I, they, and they, they, they focus, they, they focus, they focus on a lot on this vaccine. I, I don't know exactly what their physicians are doing. I haven't, I haven't followed up on that aspect of them. I use their protocols to treat covid. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But I haven't, I haven't looked into their sort of long covid or vaccine injury. Protocols yet, but that, that would be another place. I mean, there, there's, there's, I think, 50,000 doctors involved in that. So you can, you can probably find somebody close to you who has some good ideas. But I, I can tell you that yeah, the, the most, the most efficacious things that I've seen is you know, combination of, of peptides and, and peptides are limited to clinical research. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So when I'm using with my patients, I'm technically doing research but pep peptides, hyperbarics and then full, full spectrum [00:52:00] saunas, you know, some combination of that is what I've, I've seen the best, the best effects with. And then targeting, of course, whatever your specific problem is, but. You know, one of, one of my good friends PhD in, in Tampa owns a hyperbaric facility. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, he had a he had a vaccine injured woman who couldn't talk hadn't, hadn't been able to say a word since she had had the vaccine. And it had been, I don't know, four, six months or something. And after 10 hyperbaric treatments she was 100% better. You know, she could, you know, in fact, they wanted her to quit talking. Dr. Kirk Parsley: That was the big joke. They were like, Jesus. Once we got her, once we got her talking, I was like, man maybe we should have only given you eight treatment. But yeah. But yeah, I, I think, I think she stayed in treatment for a a full eight week treatment. But again, you know, the You know, it's another problem with Western, you know, with Amer, the American Medical SY [00:53:00] system, you know, you know, one of, like my, my residency in the Navy was in was in Hyperbarics, right? Dr. Kirk Parsley: So that, that's part, that's part of the dive medicine residency for the military. And we have 13 approved uses for hyperbarics. So if it's not one of those 13 uses you have to pay cash. But if a Hyperbarics facility does insurance based work, then they can't do cash work. So anything associated with the hospital is doing insurance work. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So you have to have one of these 13 things, and if you don't fit in there, you can't use that. So I have, I have a ton of clients who. Or nowhere near a hyperbaric chamber. And if they have the means and the time they move temporarily, you know, they go stay somewhere for two months and do some treatment. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I am, and I'm, I'm kind of working with some investors and stuff. I'm trying to create some mobile, you know, mobile facilities, you know, put a chamber in an air conditions trailer and like, you know, cuz a lot of these chambers you can learn to use [00:54:00] yourself. You know, as long as you're a fairly healthy person you can, you can get in there and operate it from the inside and treat yourself. Dr. Kirk Parsley: But you know, if there anybody listening to your podcast is interested in, in a business model hyperbaric facilities are, are going to be you know, they, they haven't let out a ton of the research yet. It hasn't hit mainstream media. But I'm, I'm well steeped in that community and unquestionably it, it's going to eventually come out that this is the best. Dr. Kirk Parsley: You know, you know, in combination. But if, honestly, if you could only do one thing, I would say, I would say do Hyperbarics. But, you know, hopefully you'll, you know, there'll be facilities that are doing adjuncts to that Hyperbarics. But I think that's probably going to be the number one thing that people are gonna be using for you know, for these long covid and covid vaccines. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And I, and not that you can distinguish those two anymore, right? Because so many people got vaccinated and [00:55:00] then got covid. Okay, so what is it? Is it the vaccine or is, or was it damaged from the covid or was it damaged from the vaccine? Like we're, we're never gonna know. But it does seem to. You know, the, the, the benefit of Hyperbarics is that you can get oxygen to places where you don't have blood supply, right? Dr. Kirk Parsley: Cuz the only way to carry oxygen in your bloodstream is by being bound to the hemoglobin and red blood cells. Unless you do a hundred percent oxygen and you take it down to deeper than one atmosphere, you get under two atmospheres, and then you can crush air bubbles, like oxygen bubbles into the plasma, and that can just diffuse out anywhere, and it can go all over your body and over the course of time it does, it saturates all of your tissue with oxygen. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And then that of course, you know, that's of course what your mitochondria need. You know, it's part of oxidative hospitalization. Like they, like, you know they mitochondria need that to produce their energy, which is your cells and energy, which is, you know, [00:56:00] your, your cell's ability to do their work and repair themselves. Dr. Kirk Parsley: And so I, I think Hyperbarics is just going to be an enormous opportunity. And I know a guy here in Austin who owns the biggest facility that produces hyperbaric chambers. He owns the biggest one in the country. And, you know, they, they're already having a hard time keeping them with demand. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So I, you know, the word's slowly getting out, but that's, that's gonna be a really big treatment. And if, and I would encourage anybody who, who's listening to this, who has problems that they suspect are from the vaccine, or from, or from long covid, whatever that is, to, to seek that out. And those soft chambers that you see at the strip malls there's no evidence that those work they, they don't go deep enough and they're not a hundred percent oxygen. Dr. Kirk Parsley: So it, it's not, you're not comparing apples to apples there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Parsley, thank you so much. I wanna be respectful of your time. I know you've, you'

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What is Chlorine Dioxide, with Dr Manuel Apricio === Dr. Manuel Apricio: [00:00:00] We are energy. All our cells have energy. They move and they communicate through energy. So if you have a substance that can align that energy, then you'll have detoxification on your body. You'll have selectivity, for example, for the, for the cancer treatments. Chlorine dioxide is very select because cancer cells have a more acidity around them. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You know, they have a swollen process, they have different charges, so that's why ch clarine dioxide acts selectively in cancer cells. That is the very valuable thing. And for those doctors tell me now, now that's, that's impossible. You cannot treat cancer with metastasis. With the substance, with chloride. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Well, I'm about to publish a paper about cancer and chlor dioxide. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, for he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can [00:01:00] find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the us. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for joining me again today. I first wanna give a shout out to all of my Patreon supporters. We've got Shell Pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at the $20 and 20 cents. We've got pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents a month. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's Ty Charles Tinfoil Stanley Dr. Anna Frank. Depa Kevin Alans has made his own $10 level the refined and not burned $5 level with Linda Emmy, Joe, pat, and Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer. And then courage is contagious. At $1 a month, we've got Amanda j SPTs, nasty Dorell and Suzanne. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Today I have a very special guest. He lives in a different country. He lives in Mexico, and he has a little more freedom in Mexico, [00:02:00] surprisingly, you know, we're supposed to be the land of the, the free and. In medicine. It doesn't really seem like that these days, but I have a very special guest. His name is Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Manuel Apricio. Ooh, I think I just butchered it. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Don't worry. Do you say it for me? Say, well, Sam Manuel Ricio Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Aparicio. Yes. Yes, sir. Well there you go. It's all right. Please call me Sam, and if it's all right, I'll call you Manuel. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Of course, of course. Then we'll do it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so just before we started, you were telling me how your, your official training is in spinal surgery and pediatric spinal surgery at that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But over the past three years, you've kind of found a new path where you're still doing the, the spinal surgery, which is incredible to find time to do anything else. If you know anything about medicine, like when you do one thing, you do that one thing and you do it all day long and more than all day long. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But he's found time to treat over 8,000 patients in the past few years, them. A new novel treatment. And there is one little disclaimer that I must state at the beginning is that anything we say today is [00:03:00] not medical advice and should not be construed as medical advice. It is merely for educational purposes only. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Very good. Sam? Yes, as you said, I'm an orthopedic surgeon. I have a special training in pediatric orthopedics and spinal surgery, and before the pandemic I can say that I was pretty much. About everything in medicine, everything is conducted the way they want it to be. And during the start of the pandemic, at the beginning of 2020, I started to study about the, the covid and, and any treatment available in the world. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And there was nothing available that was clear to heal Covid. So I started looking to chlorine dioxide. It was very interesting to me, and I did some research. I read some articles. I talked with and Andreas Calk, who's the biophysicist, who made the, the new version of chlorine dioxide, which is called CDs, and he convinced me about trying it in, in the Covid 19 patients. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I started with a couple of patients with [00:04:00] very mild cases, and they. Almost in 24 hours, 48 hours at the most. And so I started to use it in the more severe patients. And now as you said, I've treated over 8,000 patients with Covid 19. Right, right now is not the problem. You know it. Right now we are facing the J injury problem around the world and we are also training it with base treatment on chlorine dioxide. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And we're very successful so far. Gratefully, Sam. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's wonderful. And so some people may not know, and I'll put a link down below so that they can go check out the universal antidote.com. That's the universal antidote.com, and there's a great documentary there and I've been able to speak with the creator of that at one point and he explains what MMS is and he explains what CDs is. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But can you explain a little bit of that to. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yes. Well, mms is like the, the initial form. Chlorine [00:05:00] dioxide. It's very practical. This was made up by Jim Humble, the engineer. He was so bright and, and he started using in South America to treat malaria with great success. All the patients healed in 24 hours, and it consists in activating sodium chloride with Clare at the moment. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You can, you can activate it with Citric asis or any a that, that, that's not a difference, but you can activate it on the moment and with low doses. For like many, many pathologists, you can use MMS without any problems, but when you wanna use higher doses, it is better to use CDs, which is chlorine dioxide solution. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Is a gas that is saturated into water. It's prepared before, and the concentrated amount of chlor dioxide, which is at 3000 parts per million, you dilute it in water and take it in different doses depending on the pathology. But for example, in the covid 19 patients who had respiratory failure, at the beginning of the treatment, we had to use very high [00:06:00] doses to, to start the treatment. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And that would CDs would. Very bad Hirsch heimer reaction because of the dose and the toxicity of the, of the treatment. But with chlorine dioxide you can use higher doses with very, very few adverse vents. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and you had mentioned Hirsch Heimer reaction. Can you explain what that is? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yeah, well, it's a, it's a, it's kinda like an adverse event, but we don't call it adverse event because it is transient, it goes away. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So when you are taking chlorine dioxide, meaning mms or CDs, whatever you choose to take, if you have many toxins in your system, you're gonna get detox. From ch clarine dioxide. So as, as more toxins you have, the, the more probability to develop a Hersh heimer reaction, but as I told you, is transient because you're, you're detoxifying your body. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So as toxins go away, those [00:07:00] adverse events, Will go away too. So what we do, when we have a harsher reaction, we lower the dose, for example, to half the dose, and then we increase the dose gradually, like one cc or one activated drop a day until we get to the to the dose that we want to treat any pathologist. Dr. Manuel Apricio: But that's why we call it harsh hybrid reaction and not ar adverse event. Because, for example of any drug, I don't know diclofenac, if you have an adverse event, that can be a gastritis. If you keep taking the, the diclofenac, you'll have more gastritis. Even, even though you lower the dose. Doesn't matter because it's an adverse event in that body. Dr. Manuel Apricio: But with chlorine dioxide, if you lower the dose and then reach the, the ideal dose, then those symptoms will disappear. That's why it's, it's a Hersh shimer reaction and not an adverse. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's actually a perfect, great explanation of it. And I think one of the things is for the takeaway is if you're, [00:08:00] if you decide it's right for you to use for yourself and your family, just because you have this, this unusual reaction, maybe some loose stools or, or whatever it is, that doesn't mean don't do it ever again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That means back off the dose, cut it in half. That's right. Like you had mentioned Dr. Manuel Apricio: and, and get a good product and, and hopefully. Always someone to guide you in the treatment because as everything in medicine, Sam, you know it and, and you have to know how to use your substance to heal at any disease. And if you know how to use it, how to apply it, how to start a dose, how to increase it gradually. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Depending on the, on the evolution of each patient, because that's why we are individuals. Everyone responds differently to any substance. So if you have a good guidance, then you'll have a good success in your treatment, and that's very important. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What other illnesses or disease processes have you treated with chlor dioxide? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Oh, that's, [00:09:00] that's a great question, Sam, because at the beginning when they told me that chlor dioxide could heal diabetes and autoimmune diseases, Camps, or whatever you name it, O obviously, viruses, bacterias, fungi, parasites, small parasites. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I couldn't believe it. As a scientist, I said, no, this is, this is no way possible. There's no substance in the world that can heal many things. But now after three years of using and learning, Along with chlor dioxide, we know that the mechanism of action of chlor dioxide is so complex. It is based on energy and voltages in the cell. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And you, if you imagine that chlor dioxide can align, The voltage or the energy in the cells because as you know, every single disease represents a lack of energy, and chlorine dioxide will equalize that energy, so that's [00:10:00] why it helps in so many diseases. At the beginning, we thought that chlorine dioxide was an oxidizing therapy, and right now we know that it oxidizes. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Some substances or some pathologies. But if you have something that is, has a higher voltage than chlorine dioxide, then it, it can act as a eder. So in the other way around, so it equalizes the disease. So it's very interesting. We are doing a lab research about ch clarine dioxide. We don't know. Dr. Manuel Apricio: We have no certainty of how it's, does it work? For example, for cancer, we have some theories and we are proving them in the lab, but it is very interesting. How is it that it acts in, in cancer patients and in, in the very invasive cancer patients? So chlor dioxide is not a simple oxidizer. It's a very, very big. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That we can take with a lot of advantages for many pathologies, but we have to [00:11:00] know how to use it. That is the key. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that, that's interesting cuz I, I've had another orthopedic spinal surgeon on quite a few times. Her name is Dr. Lee Merritt and we were talking a, a little bit about chlorine dioxide and, and she believes that most cancers, if not all cancers are related to parasites, which that would make a lot of sense if you're killing the parasite and that's causing the cancer. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're gonna wipe out the cancer at the same time you take out the parasite. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That is correct, Sam. Yes. It's a new perspective for me because if three years ago you would've told me that cancer was associated with viruses and parasites, I would say, you're crazy. You're totally crazy. What you are saying. Dr. Manuel Apricio: It doesn't make sense. But right now, as I have learned a lot in this pandemic, you have to unlearn to keep learning. If you don't do that, then you won't learn. If you didn't. The capability in your brain to take out the bad knowledge and taking new knowledge, which is this pandemic has brought a lot of things and a lot of good [00:12:00] things. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And if you don't unlearn that, you have to take care of the God first to treat any disease, then as a doctor you're gonna fail if you're gonna have remedies and not real solutions for your patients and remedies anyone can give to the patient. A remedy can be something to take away the headache, but if you wanna go deep and see why is the headache present it, and you go to the origins and you take care of that, then you will really kill the patient. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You will not give that patient a remedy, but a, a real comp complete. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That, that's, that has been one of the most difficult things cuz just before the whole Covid thing started, and I'm sure the listeners have heard me say this before, but I stumbled across a different way of eating to help with one of my di I was diagnosed with narcolepsy and a ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet a. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Some where you're in [00:13:00] ketosis. I heard that that helps and I'm like, well, this goes against everything I've ever learned. It just, it took the whole food pyramid, flipped it upside down and I was literally walking around in kind of a daze for a month just trying to like figure out what was up and down just from that one little thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just food and it makes perfect sense. What have people have been eating for 10,000 years? They've been eating fatty meat. It hasn't been causing heart attacks, so why would it make, what sense does it make that all of a sudden we're having heart attacks and strokes and, and all these horrible and diabetes and from the stuff we've always eaten? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, that's, they, what they say is causing it is not what's causing it. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I, I know Sam. Yeah, hype Parker just said it and he said it many times. Be the foot. Be your medicine and your medicine. Be your foot, whatever you take. Is what your body is gonna respond to. I'm gonna give you a, a a, a hard example that I passed in my life. Dr. Manuel Apricio: My, [00:14:00] my, my oldest son, he has epilepsy and I went to at least 10 pediatric neurologist treat him, and he wasn't responding to medication. And in all the cases I asked the, the pediatric neurologist, Hey doc, what about a diet? What about if we change the diet? And without any exceptions, they all. That has nothing to do with the disease that your kid has after. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yes, I know I can. I, I can't simply understand it. So after searching a lot of things and looking for alternative treatments, we started a special diet, like a type of ketogenic diet. Specialized for, for the kid. And we took away gluten, we took away sugars, we took away daily products with a very strict way. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And that's the only way that my son stopped having this epilepsy events. And I, I can't believe it really, because. The [00:15:00] medicine is not training us to heal the patients. The medicine has trained us to prescribe medications, to control the symptoms and not to really heal the patient, and that is really sad, Sam. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That's why, and now I believe it. That's why I choose orthopedics. There is a lot of orthopedic surgeon. That are doing right now, alternative medicine. And I know why, because I chose this orthopedic pathway, because I didn't like the, the science fiction behind the medicines. And if you have this symptom, then give this medicine. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I, I never liked that. I always liked the objective things. You have a fracture, you have to heal it, you have to put a plate in the screw, you have to put a antra metal nailing, or you have to do whatever you want, but you, you see it. You execute the treatment and then the patient gets healed after the ractor is healed. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So I was convinced that I was helping patients, and right now with the Covid [00:16:00] pandemic, that no one was treating the patients until they were in a bad condition. That was a very bad advice. We have to treat the patients in the first symptom, and they responded perfectly fine. If you go all the way into the complications until they have a very severe pneumonia, then you'll fail in the treat. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And that's the way to solve the problem for the patients. Go to the origins, solve all the things that caused the disease, and then you have a, a patient that was really healed and not as a remedy, but a healed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's an incredible perspective. I never thought that, cuz you know, I wanted to be a surgeon when I was in med school and you know, I did 11 weeks general surgery rotations and I was. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is not the lifestyle I want to have. This is a, a rough lifestyle, so I applaud you for, for doing a residency subspecialty. And then, and keep going. But but yeah, I, I like that idea of something's broken, let's fix it. And, and that's kind of what led me into family medicine is, is [00:17:00] I like to the different side of it is I like to talk to people as well, but I still have that, that mindset of, well, let's get to the root cause. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let's not just, you know, mask it over, put a bandaid on top. Let's get to the root. And this chlorine dioxide seems to get to the root of a lot of issues. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That is correct, Sam. Yeah. It goes to, to the origins of the pathologists because of this energy, because of all we are energy, all ourselves have energy, they move and they communicate through energy. So if you have a substance that can align that, Then you'll have detoxification on your body. You'll have selectivity, for example, for the, for the cancer treatments. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Chlorine dioxide is very select because cancer cells have a more acidity around them. You know, they have a swollen process, they have different charges, so that's why ch clarine dioxide acts selectively. In cancer cells, that is the very valuable [00:18:00] thing. And for those doctors tell me, no, no. Now that's, that's impossible. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You cannot treat cancer with metastasis, with a substance, with chlorine dioxide. Well, I'm about to publish a paper about cancer and chlorine dioxide, and I'm working right now with a very, very experienced oncology radiation doctor. Is in Europe and, and we're working together in the lab and outside the. Dr. Manuel Apricio: To, to treat more patients with cancer. That now is a very common thing with the, with the JF adverse events that we're seeing cancer every day in ev in, in every single family there is a case or there's a known case of cancer, and the only common pattern is that they got vaccinated three or four times, mostly with mRNA vaccines and we're treating. Dr. Manuel Apricio: With chlor dioxide and other supplements, but based on chlorine dioxide with very good results. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So let me just pause for a moment to say, don't get any more [00:19:00] vaccines. Please don't let your family get them. If you have children in your family, you have grandchildren, please don't let your grandchildren get these things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: These are a bio weapon. You know, and, and sir, you may not a agree with that stance. I know that's a hard line stance and you may agree with it. But I encourage the listener to go back to my episode number 33, where I show all the public source documentation, where it is a bio weapon in part developed by. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That is totally correct, Sam. We've been saying this for over now two years, and people has attacked us a lot. When they attack me, I say, okay, please let me know. What do I gain by saying that these jazz experimental jab. Are gonna do a lot more harm. They're good. What do I gain with that? What is my benefit? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Nothing just to get attacked, just to be insulted and, and I'm doing it as a doctor because [00:20:00] I'm genuinely. Concerned about humanity and what is coming afterwards. So if you, as an adult decided by yourself to get vaccinated, well not vaccinated, inoculate with this experimental injection and gene therapy, then that will be your decision, but please will never do it in your children. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Do not do it in your children because you would regretted for all your life. They're gonna have problems with their development and their reproducibility and all the things that are gonna come with years that we don't know of with this new technology applied in humans. So I would advise others to really think before inoculating the children. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, in an episode that is not published at at this time, but should be published before this episode goes out, I'm speaking with Dr. Robert Chandler and he gives this solemn and grave warning that that little boys and men who have received this jab may be infertile. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Forever. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dr. Manuel Apricio: It's [00:21:00] studied. It, it, it the, the spike protein and the MRI information gets stuck in the organs, in their reproductive organs, also in, in the brain and in the heart because it goes more with the electrical activities higher. So this, this is causing a lot of damage. We are seeing it already, and we do not know, Sam, what is gonna happen in five or 10 years. Dr. Manuel Apricio: The kids are gonna develop more autoimmune diseases and they're gonna have really big trouble about re reproducing theirselves. So, yes we're seeing the tip of the iceberg right now and all the bad things are, I think are gonna come within years, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but there's hope. There's always hope. And you know, I don't wanna be too, too down on the bad things. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That's right. Yes. I, we, we have a, a, a very strict way of seeing things at the, the, the organization that I perceive, the World of [00:22:00] Health and Life coalition, that for every problem we have to give a solution. There is no problems without solutions. So for that we have developed an anti inoculation protocol. Dr. Manuel Apricio: It's an AI protocol. We named it on purpose as an AI protocol, anti inoculation protocol. Know that is also for artificial intelligence protocol. And this protocol helps patients that have been jabed to detox before. They start having adverse events because once they have adverse events, you have to address individually to each patient because one might have myocarditis and one might have a, a, a vascular event in the brain, and another one can have an autoimmune disease or cancer, and that has to be treated individual. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You know, but like in a general matter, you can do this detox protocol after the jab and you will avoid most [00:23:00] probably the adverse events of the jab within, within the, the weeks or months. No. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And do you have a link for that? Can you send it to me so I can link it down below? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yep. They, they, they can go into the, our webpage is za, C o m u s a v.com, and they can get into the page yet we have in English, in in Spanish, and we have some information in German and another languages. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And they can get into the AI protocol and you can download it. It's a presentation and I explain how to take it in Spanish or in English. And well, any doubts you, you can write there a message and we'll answer. Whatever you, whatever you need or whatever information you need, we can provide it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Awesome I was just gonna ask if it was in English also that that's a wonderful service you're doing for humanity. What other unusual disease processes have you seen and treated? And I, I'm gonna give a quick little anecdote that I've seen. I've seen a man who his son was [00:24:00] starting to have an anaphylactic reaction and, which I mean, you know, for a young, young boy that that can be a traumatic event, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz you, you feel the throat closing up, you the sali. Pulling in the mouth and what are the options? You stab him with an EpiPen and go to the emergency room, like that's all trauma. And so this man gave his son some CDs. It was a pretty high concentration from what I understand is he tasted it before he gave it to his son and it actually burned his mouth and was a little tingly for a while. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But his son took it from the story is his son took a couple sips and then. The, the burning of the throat went away and it was replaced with a different kind of tingling from I, I think from the strength of the chlorine, the CDs, the chlorine dioxide solution, and then the reaction went away and he never had to stab his son with an EpiPen. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That's correct. Yeah. We have to have, everyone should have in a, in a rescue bag chlor dioxide. Cause it gonna help you do many things if you get bit by a spider [00:25:00] or a scorpion or whatever. If you take ch clarine dioxide, you put it on the side, you, you get the, the, the pinch of any insect. You can't save your life. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And that's for real. And, and we have detox protocols for specific animals, how to take it and how to apply it. And if you are, for example, in the nature where, where there's no hospital, you should carry some chlorine dioxide to take it. If, if any event goes on, and as I told you before, Sam, it is an e equalizer. Dr. Manuel Apricio: It equalizers also the poison. Of many many poisonous insects. So yes Clarine can save lives and he has some pretty much amazing effects on, on the body of many, many people. We have a lot of Cases they have told their story and they got like amazed with, with the evolution. And we have published some of these cases in the literature. Dr. Manuel Apricio: But it is amazing how ch claron dioxide can help you solve many unsolved problems that regular medicine cannot take care of.[00:26:00] This is not, I mean regular medicine can take anaphylactic reaction, you know, but it's a very aggressive way to do it. As you said, an EpiPen and then an IV and cortisone or whatever come and with chlor dioxide is a very natural way to do it of the Chlorox, and that's it. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You'll stop the anaphylactic reaction, you know, so it's, it's a thing that we are struggling to, to, to get authorized by, by all the authorities worldwide. There should be a chlorine dioxide rescue bottle in first aid kit in the. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna direct the, the listeners and the viewers to go check out the link below, and I'm gonna tell it, it's the universal antidote.com. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Go to the universal antidote.com. Watch that documentary. They're gonna explain how you can make this in your own house or if you wanna purchase parts of it, you can purchase it and make it yourself that way. What's a good way, let's say someone watch the videos. They made some CDs at 3000 parts per million. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What's a good way to store it so that they can have it? [00:27:00] Dr. Manuel Apricio: Well, that's a very good question. You have to keep it away from the sunlight, the, the sunlight, the uv radiation deactivates chlorine dioxide very rapidly, so you should maintain it away from the sun and try to avoid also high temperatures because it will lose power. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So if you keep it in, in a, in a dark place, even better in a fridge. It keeps perfectly well preserved for over six months. You have to close it very well because it is a gas. If the bottle is not, is not well closed, then it will evaporate as any gas, like, like, like any, any soda. You know, if you leave it a little bit open, you have no guess. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And that's the same thing about clon dioxide. That's the cvs. But for example, to, to travel, for example, to the woods, and you take the mm. You take the sodium chloride and your activator and AC it, chloride it or citric it, and you can activate it in the moment and drink it without [00:28:00] any temperature or sun issues because you're activating it at the moment. Dr. Manuel Apricio: If you have a CDs, which is already activated and you have to, to keep it away from the sun and the high tempera. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Yeah. One thing that I've been doing or theoretically have been doing is I have those little eyedroppers, those little black eyedroppers that are plastic. And I'll fill that up and if I go out to eat, cuz I've noticed whenever I go out to eat and I drink the water, I tend to get ill and I tend to get covid like symptoms and so I, I just put a couple drops in the water and I haven't been getting ill anytime I go out. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That's very important Sam. And you, you have a good point here. If you have the cvs. With one cc in one liter of water, you'll take away all the viruses, bacteria, fgi, and small parasites away from the water. If you have MMS with one activated water per litter, then you'll have [00:29:00] the same effect. And right now we know that the water is pretty contaminated around the world, like almost everywhere. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So if we go to any place where they. Poor water. Then we should decontaminated with chlor dioxide. You have a, a very, very good water good quality water too to get intake. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. Any cases that you've treated or seen or heard of, of metastatic cancer that seemed to improve? Or, or, or better? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yeah, I've, I've seen a lot of them right now. Dr. Manuel Apricio: The article that I'm gonna publish is about three cases with metastatic cancer, pretty bad. The patients were not responding to allopathic treatment, and we did the treatment with clon dioxide and they all. Wow. They have a follow up O of at least 24 months. They're not taking any immunotherapy or [00:30:00] chemotherapy, and they're maintaining their cells with a ketogenic diet and with chlorine dioxide, with extraordinary results. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And we have a bunch of cases like that. It doesn't work in all cases of metastatic cancer. But it works in a lot more than the conventional treatment, the chemo and, and immunotherapy. Even though that we know that immunotherapy is a lot more better than chemotherapy. The immunotherapy has a lot of progression in the last few years, and that can help a lot in the patient. Dr. Manuel Apricio: But they do not respond well to metastatic cancer. So when you have metastatic cancer, we use ch clarine dioxide. It can be used orally via en. And. And they respond pretty well, but, but as any disease, you have to go to the origin of the disease. So you have to take care of the God, you have to change your, your intakes, your food, your diet, your supplements, and you have to [00:31:00] integrative treat. Dr. Manuel Apricio: The patient and you have very good results. But yes, I've seen by myself as an orthopedic surgeon, patients being healed with chlorine dioxide. Imagine if an oncologist was open to this treatment, he could save a lot of lives. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. That's like, is it total miracles that you're seeing? It's just amazing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I wanna make sure that I understood you correctly. You said the first thing you have to take care of is, did you say you're God? Dr. Manuel Apricio: You've got gut, your second brain, your intestines. Yes. The, the, the, the intestine is your immune system basically. So there's more neurons in, in your intestine than, than in your brain. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So if you feed 'em well, you have a good response with your gut, then you'll have a good response to the disease. If you don't take care of the. And sorry about my pronunciation, my friend. Yes. It seemed like if you don't take care of the gut with chronic diseases, [00:32:00] autoimmune diseases, cancer, et cetera, you won't heal the patient. Dr. Manuel Apricio: That is for sure. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. I was, I was hoping that was a good segue to, and I don't know what your religious preferences are, if or if you have any, but how. Having God, whatever you that is to you, to me, it's, you know, Jesus and, and the God of the Bible. That's a really important part of healing and, and getting your body right and often that part is forgotten about my many doctors. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Completely, completely a core concur with you, Sam, and I'm a Catholic. And I always respect all type of religions. I just say, whatever your your beliefs are, you have to think about that energy and focus on that energy that is gonna heal you in that. We have the three things, you know, the biological, the physical, and the spiritual part. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And if you are healed also with the spiritual part, then you have a better response in your in your diseases. So you have to take [00:33:00] care of the three parts. And yeah, I respect everything, all the patients, all the beliefs are completely I respected by myself. Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes. And I, I think that's, that's important. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, you, you're, you're sounding like a, a family medicine doc and a more than a surgeon, which is great cuz usually surgeons just have a completely different and I, I certainly don't mean that as an insult. I mean that as the highest compliment. But yeah, I think that's, that's great that, that you do look at all three of those parts. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It is important. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yes. And yeah, it is important the patient has to heal in all the three fronts. If you have one of these three that is not functioning well, that you won't be completely healed, you will be partially healed. So the patient has to take care of the, about that energy, whatever his, his beliefs are. It is an energy and it is very, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. What other things do you want us to, would you like to tell us about some of the chlorine dioxide and like practically using like, you know, like we discussed how to store [00:34:00] it and how to transport it, but what other practical things have you noticed? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Well, if, if you are for example around sick people, if, if you have in, in your house anyone that has a virus or a bacteria or whatever, you should take the chlor dioxide in a prophylactic way. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And that prophylactic way, it's consistent. 10 cc or 10 activator drops in one liter of water taking it through the day. And you can also, for example, In, in my case, if my wife is sick and she has the flu, and I, I sleep with her every night, I'm not gonna stop doing that because she has the flu. So I would put some chlor dioxide in, in right next to my bed in, in, in a little tequila device here in Mexico. Dr. Manuel Apricio: It's very popular and you, you just put it in. It will evaporate through the night and we'll sterilize the room so you won't be contaminated even though your wife is right next to you, you know? So that, that's the H protocol, the [00:35:00] room purpose. H for Spanish A is, is the room protocol, and it works pretty well. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And what I do as a doctor and, and I think that everybody should do it right now in, in this crazy times. I carry my prayer. With chlorine dioxide, any sprayer, any device that you have it, you put one third of chlorine dioxide and two third of selling solution and you can spray it in your eyes, in your nose, in your hands, whatever. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You can spray it as many times as you want, and you'll get away the virus and the bacteria of touching everyone, you know. So that's very practical and you can carry it. You can have it in your, in your pocket, and it helps a lot. It helped me a lot. I, I didn't wear a, a, a mask when I saw the patients with Covid. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I just used the, the, the sprayer of chlor dioxide because a mask that is used in a long fashion. You will deteriorate your immune system, so you should not wear masks [00:36:00] for a prolonged period. Masks are for doctors who are doing surgery or are with a contaminated patient. That's it. And chlorine dioxide can help you to eradicate viruses, bacterias, et cetera in the moment. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So for the covid 19 patients, I didn't use face masks, and I've never used it and I'm never gonna use it. Doesn't work. The size of the virus is a lot smaller than, than the holes that are in your mask. So it is just absurd to use it and to think that that's gonna help you preventing anything. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Even to further your point, the N 95, which is the best mask that we have, it can stop particles 0.3 microns and. The, the alleged size of the COVID virus, if that, that's what it is, is 0.15 microns. So it's half the size, meaning it will whizz through both directions and it's so tiny, it will never hit the ground. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It'll never settle to the ground. It takes more than 56 hours to, to settle to the ground. So it essentially never touches the ground. So [00:37:00] you're just covering your face, causing more problems, retaining co2 and, and dehumanizing yourself and everyone around you. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Exactly. That was the, the main goal. I think elimination everyone because I mean, kids, they suffered a lot and they were, I was, I was laughing, but isn't, this is nothing to laugh about. Dr. Manuel Apricio: But when my kids were in, in Electronic sessions at their school and they made them use the mask. I said, no, no, no. There's no way. I mean, what are you, what are you telling me? And then when they went back to the school for a few months, they had to use the face mask. The face mask. I was really concerned about it because there are studies, they have proof that Kids that use face masks in a prolonged fashion, they will have a learning issue afterwards because they are not optimizing the oxygen consumption in the brain. Dr. Manuel Apricio: They will, they will not in the same rhythm that the kids that are not using it and, and having a good oxygenation. [00:38:00] So, I mean, this has been absurd all, all the way around. I mean, since the beginning and all the measures. Completely absurd. They were never proven, and now we are seeing the problems about those measures. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And a couple other things about the mask is, I mean, you don't learn facial cues. So you know when you get that weird feeling that you're around someone that just, just makes you feel weird. You don't really know what it is, but you just wanna leave the area. Well, kids won't learn that and they'll be more susceptible to predators, I fear because they're not seeing the face in the facial expression. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they're gonna be more apt to get dental caries, get cavities in their mouth because when you have a mask on, you tend to mouth breathe, which dries out your mouth and allows bacteria to Dr. Sam Sigoloff: take over Dr. Manuel Apricio: that's right. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And the social expression and, and and all the relationships in between the kids is altered because of the expression. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So it is that from the beginning to the end, kids would never have to use any face like that. It's just absurd. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Your spray bottle idea of having the, the one third, [00:39:00] two thirds, that made me think of the nebulizer. Are you using a nebulizer in treatment? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yes. It has to be supervised by a doctor because chlor di has to be used in perfect doses to use it by inhalation, because that, that's the easiest way to get. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Intoxicated with chlorine dioxide. If you take it orally, you will not get intoxicated. It is almost impossible you would've to take five liters of the concentrated chlorine dioxide to get intoxicated, to get to the LD 50. That those that kills 50% of the people, you have to take five liters of the concentrated clarine dioxide. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You, you'll not be able to take half litter, even if you want it in one day. But, but the inhaled dose. Are a little bit more delicate. So like the iv, like the intravenous protocol that has to be done by doctors. I recommend the nebulizing protocol to be supervised by doctors or nurses. What we do is whenever we have a [00:40:00] respiratory problem, for example, right now we're seeing cancer patients with lung metastasis. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Then we need the clarine dioxide, the closer to the problem. So if we have lung metastasis, we have to. Nebulized. So what we use is three ccs of cell solution and three drops of chlorine dioxide at 3000 parts per million. And we use it once, twice, or three times a day in the patients with pneumonia during covid. Dr. Manuel Apricio: We used it nebulized for many days and it worked. Perfectly. The patients with pneumonia were a very VA pneumonia with COR five and the NU classification of the COR six, they were at the end of the treatment without fibrosis. The, the, the, the lung was completely normal. It, it looked like nothing had happened in there, so it works pretty well and you have to combine it. Dr. Manuel Apricio: The principles of chlorine dioxide is the closer the. And the more time that you use it, the better result you're gonna get. So a lot of [00:41:00] hours during the day and the closer to the problem. Not deep doses in low times, but lower doses in, in a lot of hours during the day. That is, that is the key management for, for chlor dioxide. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Perfect. And what about eating? Because I've heard some people say, oh, you need to fast while you're doing. And other people say that doesn't matter as much as just little dose all day long. You know, is there certain foods that deactivated or make it less effective? Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yes. Antioxidants can deactivate cla dioxide. Dr. Manuel Apricio: For example, if you take vitamin C even though if you take it at night, for example, and then, and the next day you take chlor dioxide, it will not have the same action because vitamin C is kinda like accumulating in the body as you take it more days. So I would advise patients that are taking chlorine dioxide not to take vitamin C. Dr. Manuel Apricio: If you wanna take vitamin C then. Do it, but quit for a few [00:42:00] days, chlorine dioxide, and then start taking vitamin C again. You can take like regular antioxidants without a problem with at least one hour separation, same as any food one hour before and one hour after. Any intake you should stop taking clarine dioxide if you're drinking, for example, coffee or. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You have to stop half an hour before and after. And another important thing is that if you're doing fasting, and that's a very, very common question. They tell me, I do fasting 18 or 20 hours a day. Can I take cla dioxide? Yes, of course. And fasting is a great way of healing. You have to do it in, in a controlled matter. Dr. Manuel Apricio: You cannot do it fasting like, I'm not gonna eat for 36 hours, and that's it. No. You should do it in a control fashion. Start prolonging that fasting in hours. You start with 14, then go to 15, 16, et cetera, until your body is adapting to that changes. And there are a lot of good things about [00:43:00] fasting. You, your body's gonna respond well. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Remember again, the gut. The gut, you have to heal it. And with fasting, you make it rest. You have a better immune response. But you can take chlor dioxide, even though if you're fasting 20 hours, you can take chlor dioxide in those 20 hours. And then if you're gonna eat. Those four hours, then you stop taking chlorine dioxide those four hours and take it afterwards again. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So yes, you can do it, but you have to separate one hour before and after. And with medication is the same thing one hour before and one hour after. We are still doing some studies of specific substances to combine it with chlorine dioxide. Right now we know that just a few substances that cannot go along with chlorine dioxide very. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Most of them you can administer them, and the worst case scenario would be that the chlorine dioxide would be inactivated for a few hours, and that's it. That's the worst case scenario. So it's not too bad. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So have you found any contraindications of [00:44:00] medications or disease processes? It would be an absolute contraindication to try chlorine dioxide. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Yeah. Well, in the paper m. Yeah. In, in it is a, like, like in the paper is a contraindication for chlor dioxide. Because any, any people that has had fism cannot take any oxidative therapy because they will have an TIC anemia, you know? But that was in the paper because now that we know that chlor dioxide is not only an oxidizer, but it's an equalizer. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I have two families with ha bism that took chlorine dioxide and nothing. Nothing happened. And as I told you, clon dioxide is, it acts according to where does he have to act and what cell he has to interfere with. So in the paper, we said at the beginning, do not take, you have aism. Did not take clon dioxide. Dr. Manuel Apricio: And another example is if you, if you're taking water in, [00:45:00] The very ACE Marine or warfarin in the very old fashioned anticoagulant, then you have to take care. And that's true because you ha you can have bleeding because all the warfarin and ace patients have the ironer, the, the, the index of of Coagulability prolonged. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So you have to take tests before you take chlor dioxide and start taking chlorine dioxide and lower the dose of warfarin. So you have a, a, like, like an even response. But that is mainly the, the only thing that you should, that like you like really with care if you're taking. Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I wonder if, if your in arc could normalize so much that you could maybe come off the Warfarin, if there's any, you know, if there's any future studies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If it, if it makes your blood. So just, just in the right spot where you're able to, to come off that. Dr. Manuel Apricio: I know even though there are a lot of cardiologists that are still prescribing warfarin for silicone [00:46:00] and they're a very good quality new anticoagulants, they have a, a reduced effect and do not alter the parameters in the broad. Dr. Manuel Apricio: So maybe. There will be no more indications for warfarin, Neurocrine. That's not my, my area of specialty, but there are very advanced oral anticoagulants that have a great effect without prolonging the, the, the timing of the correlation. So yeah, I think that there are some things in, in medicine that have been used for years and are not necessarily indicated nowadays with, with, with all the new substances available for. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, wonderful. I want to be respectful of your time cuz you're a very busy man and you're doing wonderful things in this world. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming on, and I, and the listeners don't know, but there was some technical difficulties I tried to get you on one day and some 18 wheeler hit a bunch of fiber cables and like the whole town was out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, but I want to thank you so much for coming on and, and sharing [00:47:00] this, this. Dr. Manuel Apricio: No, no. Thank you Sam. Thank you for this interview. We can talk again whenever you want and we'll find some time for sure as we have signed some time for the interviews. And, and I really wanna thank you for this effort and I hope to see you soon. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Dear Sam. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, yeah. Maybe we can get some questions and line them up and, and see if we can do some q and a in, in the future. That would be, that's great. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Wonderful. I love to do q and as because that, that solves a lot of questions in, in the audience. So if, if, if, if people send you some questions, send them to me or we'll do it live without any problems. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Any question. I've been doing this for three years, so I'm kind of an expert right now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's awesome. That's. Well, thank you sir, and God bless you and, and you know, just keep doing the amazing work that you're doing. Dr. Manuel Apricio: Thank you very much, Sam. Thank you for this interview and we'll keep working for humanity and giving solution to, to all the people that has a problem nowadays.[00:48:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. 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Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or unapproved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time Of recording. Now to Dr. Sigoloff'. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hi, thanks for joining us again. I wanna first start off by thanking all of the Patreon supporters. Y'all have been amazing. I truly appreciate the gift that y'all are giving me to help. Help me bring you more material. And I, as I, as I do this more and more, I'm trying to get [00:01:00] early or get the the episodes to you early. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I've already published an episode for early for the Patreon supporters. We have Shell, we have Sam and Angela Sheey. We have Linda Perry, Ty, Katie, Kevin Emmy, Joe, Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Amanda, Jay. And that's nasty. Thank you so much for, for being willing to give your hard-earned money to me, to help me bring you a content and to help me, you know, fight this, this battle against the unseen realm and support my family during this time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Today we have a very special guest. We have Chad. Now, Chad is a. He's a chaplain in the military. And if I'm not mistaken, he's part of the, the chaplain lawsuit that was, that was happening. And I don't know the details of that. Perhaps he can give us a little more insight onto where that is in the process. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But Chad, great to have you here. CH Chad Booth: I really appreciate that Dr. Siglo. And I know you prefer Sam but's just sometimes when you're talking to someone and they hold a certain really they just demand a certain respect. So if I call you Sam, or if [00:02:00] I call you Dr. Siglo, know that is with utmost respect. CH Chad Booth: Cuz I really appreciate your service. I appreciate what you've done to this community, how you've put out information out there that has really helped soldiers and their family members go through this hard time that we've been going through. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you, sir. I, I don't deserve the credit. God does. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's why I'd just like to be called Sam. But I understand if, if it happens here and there. CH Chad Booth: All right, so I know today you wanted to talk about spiritual warfare, and I don't want to, I don't want to talk to your viewers and be like, well, I'm a chaplain in the army, therefore, I have the cutting edge on this thing we call spiritual warfare. CH Chad Booth: I am not the end all be all with spiritual warfare. I'm very young, like I'm a young 43 year old man who loves Jesus with all of his heart, mind, and soul. And I do my best to love him, love humanity, and, and, and be a warrior for Christ, the kind of warrior that [00:03:00] will honor our creation, his creation that will honor our God and will stand up for the, the specific beliefs that we hold near and dear to our. CH Chad Booth: Okay. So I wanna ask you a question, Sam, when you talk when Yes sir. When somebody says spiritual warfare, is there something that, an image that pops into your mind that you're like, you know what, this is what spiritual warfare looks like? Or has there been a time in your life where you think that you were involved in spiritual warfare? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think if we know what spiritual warfare is, I think we can see it in every aspect of every bit of our life. Just something as simple as that, that idea of, I'm gonna say something that I, or I've already said, something that I didn't know that I said, let you know. Like, let's say I say something more harsh than I should. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well that's, that's that unseen realm whispering in my ear, telling me, just say it like this. Be, be careless how you say things and [00:04:00] don't worry about it. But what that does is that cause conflict and it's that. Unseen thing around us that whispers in man's ear, woman's ear and tells us to, to not be as gentle as we could, to not be as loving as we could. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know? I mean, there's, I mentioned earlier, and I won't get into all the details, but there's certainly been a time in my life where I walked into a room and I felt a dark presence around me. And it was, it was a terrifying event. And it's like, I can't describe it. I don't know how to describe it. If any of the listeners have have been there, then you know precisely what I'm talking about. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm not someone who's, you know, who's feeling and, and doing all that kind of stuff often, but it was such a heavy burden when you walk into that space. You could feel, you'd feel the battle waging around you, but there's other times where it's much, much, much more subtle than that. CH Chad Booth: Yeah, you're exactly right. CH Chad Booth: And, and you know what? When I. When I talk about spiritual warfare, there's a preconceived idea I have that always comes to my mind, and it's [00:05:00] me in a dark room and I'm getting really passionate, like, Lord man, we're gonna come against the enemy and we're gonna cast out some demons and we're gonna, we're gonna see your kingdom come. CH Chad Booth: And I get all amped up and pumped up, and then I bring it back down. And then I'm like, okay, that's what spiritual warfare is all about. And how wrong as, as a young, as a young teenager, I'd have these preconceived ideas. Ed, I'll tell you what, they were so messed up. Like they were honest, they were genuine, but they were so far, like is that sp, is that spiritual warfare? CH Chad Booth: Yes. But that's to the extreme. That's to like, to the end of the spectrum. And is there a place for casting out demons which are real? Absolutely. Is there a place to let your emotions let 'em be bare before God, our creator? Absolutely. But that's not the extreme, that's not the case of spiritual warfare. CH Chad Booth: And you know what, you said something that the unseen realm, that little [00:06:00] whisper, I would call that whisper the Holy Spirit. Just for your, your opinion, I don't know where this conversation is gonna go. So let's just get this out of the, out of the way that these opinions and views are mine and mine alone. CH Chad Booth: And, and they probably do not represent any of what the DOD stands for. So if we go into like the spiritual warfare we've been dealing with, with the whole covid vaccines and, and, and all of that, know that these are my opinions and my opinions alone. So that, that's, that's squared away. And Fair enough. So this thing called spiritual warfare, you said it was subtle and I cannot agree more with you on that. CH Chad Booth: It is so subtle that people don't even understand that they conduct spiritual warfare every single day and I would say every hour of their life. And if you have children every minute of your life, and if you have grandchildren, I'm telling you like there, there [00:07:00] are levels of spiritual warfare that everybody has the ability to fight or retreat from. CH Chad Booth: So now that we've established, well, we haven't really established anything about what spiritual warfare is, cuz right now we're just talking about prayer and doing getting passionate before the Lord in a dark room. Got it. So I want to break it down as simple as possible. So when I ask you the question, what the uniform of the day is, what would your answer be? CH Chad Booth: What's the full arm of God? Amen. So, To our, to the listeners out there, how can you put on the full armor of God? I mean, let's just go through it. We have the helmet of salvation, we have the breastplate of righteousness, we have the Belt of Truth. We can talk a lot about that because apparently a lot of government agencies needs to put on the belt of truth. CH Chad Booth: You have the shoes shot with the preparation of the [00:08:00] Gospel of peace. You have the shield of faith, and then you have the sword of the spirits. Am I missing? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, I think that's good. I love how they describe each thing and what they compare it to, and I love those com comparisons. CH Chad Booth: Yes, absolutely. So how can your viewers put on the helmet of salvation? CH Chad Booth: Like if, if they do, the uniform of the day is the full armor of God, then how Every morning when I wake up, how do I put on the helmet of salvation? Like, how would you put on the helmet of salvation? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think we've first have to figure out what salvation is, and I, I believe it's that relationship with Jesus that allows us to have that relationship with God that is not just fire insurance, but it's, it's a better life right now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's forgiveness right now. It's community with God and with our neighbor. CH Chad Booth: Amen. It's God's will in heaven on earth through [00:09:00] us. It's us being an ambassador now. I agree that if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, you will be saved. That's what I believe. CH Chad Booth: So when I wake up in the morning, I really don't doubt my salvation anymore. When I was a new Christian, I might have doubted it, but I was so young when I became, when I gave my heart to, to Jesus, I was so young that I don't ever doubt, I don't ever remember a time that I doubted my Christianity that I don't ever doubt that I am saved from eternal separation from God. CH Chad Booth: And, and it is more than just fire insurance, like you just said, and I'm very grateful for that. But it's a right relationship with the King of Kings and the Lord of the Lords. It's a right relationship that brings absolute joy and peace. And it may not save you from hard times, but when the hard times get there, cuz everyone, everyone goes through hard [00:10:00] times. CH Chad Booth: But when you do go through hard times, it's that joy like, wow, I'm not happy about what I'm going through. Like, I'm not happy I went through the past two, three years of what we've been through. I'm not happy with that at all. However, the joy has been consistent. The peace has been consistent. And that's what our Lord says. CH Chad Booth: That's what our, our Lord brings to our lives, to our arena, as you will. Cuz as, as we battle at our various arenas, like we, we battle different enemies. Like who knows what enemy is gonna be entering my arena this week? I don't know, next year, I don't know, but I do know this, that through Christ Jesus our Lord, we are more than overcomers, we are more than conquerors. CH Chad Booth: And that, that brings so much help. So the helmet of salvation if you are struggling out there with your salvation, you need to get into the word of God and be [00:11:00] reminded that you know it's not of your works. Your works did nothing. My works did nothing. They are absolute garbage. Like even on the greatest day when I can do, when I can go through 24 hour period and not sin at all, and I'm like, wow, I did so great. CH Chad Booth: That is so filthy because something was tainted maybe with selfishness, maybe with a inflection of my voice that hurt someone's feelings or was a little bit too harsh on my children. CH Chad Booth: The arm of God, the helmet of salvation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I think one thing that's important with the helmet of salvation too is let's say you were one of those people that were tricked and you did get the shot. There's forgiveness. There is salvation, and it's at the the foot of the cross. And you can be forgiven. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You may still have natural consequences, but you can have that relationship with Christ restored, and I think that's really important to focus on. [00:12:00] CH Chad Booth: You know what forgiveness is beautiful. And we need it all the time. And, and the closer you, the closer you get with God, you realize the more forgiveness you need. CH Chad Booth: It's kinda like that whole that what is that one saying people have? The more you know, the more you realize you don't know, the closer you are to God, the more forgiveness you need because you, there was a time where I could raise my voice to my children and be like, yeah, I'm totally fine with that. CH Chad Booth: Their voice, they need to know that I'm very disappointed with them. And if I raise my voice to them because they're doing something wrong and they need, but that's not me anymore, and I can just calm down a little bits. Then after I do, cause I still, every once in a while they'll do something and I'm like, they're teenagers and the testosterone levels are just going crazy. CH Chad Booth: And yet I raised my [00:13:00] voice. And after it I'm like, boys, I'm sorry. I raised my voice. And I'm like, Lord, help me. Help me not to do that. Help me just communicate with them. And, and there is salvation and there is forgiveness, and there is redemption. And it's all because of the blood of Jesus. Christo spit on spillt, on cavalry caling. CH Chad Booth: So the breastplate of righteousness. Not too many people know about this whole breastplate of righteousness. And, and I can tell you what I'm, I'm still working through it. Cause I, I do my best in the flesh to have my own righteousness. Still to this day, I'm like, Lord, nothing. I, I am not righteous. There is no one righteous, no not one. CH Chad Booth: And that breast plate of righteous that the self wants to build, wants to say, Nope, I got this. I'm gonna do good today. And then the Holy Spirit just says, remember, you can't do nothing. Without me. [00:14:00] And it is not your righteousness that you're wearing. It's my righteousness. It's the righteousness of Jesus. CH Chad Booth: And once that finally clicked and it still clicks, and I needed to click even more, that the breastplate of righteousness and your breastplate, if you're go going into war, what does a press plate cover? Right? Covers. CH Chad Booth: Yeah. I mean, it covers every, your lungs. It covers everything, everything vital. So that righteousness that Jesus provides to you, it is vital to your survival. You can protect your head all day long and, and you need to for the helmet of salvation. But if you don't have that breastplate of righteousness, if you don't find your identity in Jesus Christ. CH Chad Booth: If you find your identity in your rank or your job or your [00:15:00] title or your whatever, then you are not going to be an effective warrior because your, your breath plate of righteousness is weak. So we need to move on to the belt of truth. I'll tell you what the, the belt of truth has been near and dear to my, to I say to my heart and got it. CH Chad Booth: I got it. Well, how is your belt go over your heart Chaplain booth. The, the belt of truth caused me to stand up for my beliefs because when I asked Jesus and I was in my prayer closet, Lord, do you want me to take these vaccines? And the answer was a resounding no. Like it was the truth. That's what Jesus told. CH Chad Booth: That's what he said. That's the truth. So I'm gonna stand up for the truth. And I, I, I look around and I see all these whistleblowers standing up for the truth. Like, [00:16:00] whoa. And I see other people trying to take the truth and twist the words, and you can see it that they're twisting words, making words that should or could to will. CH Chad Booth: That, that, that's a little bit different. So standing up with a belt of truth, good grief, I re I really wish that the c d C would have the more belt of the belt of truth, quite honestly. I really wish that the military would use their belt of truth more. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I think it's interesting about this too, and I, this kind of just popped in my head, is I'm sure many of the listeners have gone to the gym before and put a weightlifting belt around them and gone to lift up weight. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you just follow me, I think I can make these connect here, that standing up for truth is, is strengthening the back, the backbone, the spine, if you will. Just like I listened to this rabbi and he said that when Noah entered the arc, it says that he entered the arc on the bone of the day. And [00:17:00] what that means is that he, with his spine straight and erected and strong, he entered the arc and in a similar manner, that belt, what does it do when you're lifting weights? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not just a little thin little belt that holds your pants up. It it holds you in. It helps you get that per that personal best record and it helps holds you together. The truth holds you together. If you don't have the truth, you just fall apart and it's not your truth. It's the truth. And it's a big distinction there. CH Chad Booth: Amen. Right on. It's the truth. There, there is such thing as absolute truth. And when people say there's no such thing as absolute truth, my question is, are you absolutely certain about that? Because you kind of just proved my point there, buddy. Like there is such thing as absolute truth when people say, well it's you can't say it's wrong to covet. CH Chad Booth: I'm like, yes, I can. It's wrong to covet. Well, I can just, I can covet anything I want. Well, what happens when somebody covets what you have and [00:18:00] takes what you have? Well then that's wrong. Well then you just admitted that you believe in absolute truth. Well, it's not absolute cause it, it, I I can do what I was as I pleased with other people. CH Chad Booth: It's them. They can't violate my, my conscience or rule of law or anything like that. Like come on now. There is such thing as absolute truth and the Belcher truth. You're absolutely right. It keeps in our loins. I was trying to get too graphic, but you're right. It keeps in, it, it, it keeps your gut solid. It lets you have a backbone. CH Chad Booth: And as a former NCO O of nine years, I know what it's like to be the backbone of the army. To be loyal to those with whom I serve. Seniors, Pierce and subordinates alike, you know what I mean? All soldiers are, are out ex are, are entitled to outstanding leadership. I'll provide that leadership. Amen. And it was that, it was that belt of truth. CH Chad Booth: It was that taken my oaths seriously, that helped me stand up to put on the belt of truth, to put on the full armor of [00:19:00] God and to exercise what I know God told me to do. Now you know what? Something that is very, very hard is the next armor of God. The shoes shot with the preparation of the gospel of peace. CH Chad Booth: When I, when I was outside of the military, I was a children's pastor for several years and wait a second. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You were a drill sergeant. When did Yeah, go ahead. You were a drill sergeant and a children's pastor. CH Chad Booth: No, no, no, no, no. I, I was just a sergeant. Okay. Sorry I wasn't a drill sergeant. Sorry. No, I don't want down that trail ever. CH Chad Booth: I've had friends go down that trail, but that would be very fun. If I was a drill sergeant, I would ha I would definitely have fun with it. But yeah, when I was outside, I was a children's pastor and one Sunday I was like, okay, we're gonna teach the children how to share their faith. Cuz that's really important for us to do. CH Chad Booth: Whether you're an extrovert or an [00:20:00] introvert, it's, it's unique how you share your faith. And, and, and I'm not calling for, like my wife who's a complete introvert, has introvert tendencies. She, she has a very hard time getting out there, standing in front of people saying, Hey, lemme tell you about the good news today. CH Chad Booth: No, that's not her style. That's my style. But it's important for her to spread the gospel within her arena, within her sphere of influence. So when you prepare your feet, I think when you go for a run, like you're going places, you're moving, you're taking a step outside of what you're comfortable in, and you're taking that step into something that could, you could be rejected. CH Chad Booth: You could be like pushed aside, I don't want to hear about that Jesus stuff. And then they have every right to do that. But it's our responsibilities as Christians. If we are putting on the full armor of God, then we have to put [00:21:00] on the preparation of the gospel of peace. And how can people do that if they don't know their own salvation? CH Chad Booth: How can people do that if they don't understand what Ro their righteousness comes from or their belt of truth, or will get to the should of faith and sort of the spirit? How can they put on the shoes? Of peace to spread the gospel. If they don't have an understanding of how Jesus, how God like provided this to them, how can they share the good news if they don't understand it? CH Chad Booth: So it's important. So I'll get back to my little story about the children's church. Tell 'em, Hey, listen, you believe you confessed to your mouth and you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ says, Lord Nancy, you gotta tell people about Jesus. So, but this specific lesson was really, Hey, you gotta tell people about Jesus. CH Chad Booth: So the, the, the music pastor's [00:22:00] son, they went out to a Mexican restaurant after church and he is like to the, I was not there. He told me the following Sunday, he said, I, we went to a Mexican restaurant and the the waiter came up and I said, do you know Jesus? And he said, no. And I said, okay. And it broke my heart cuz he had no idea what to say after that. CH Chad Booth: But I was so proud of him for saying, do you know Jesus? I was like, okay, today's sermon is Nick's. We're gonna talk about what, how, how, why, what do we talk about? What do we talk about with our situation? How did Jesus rescue you from your sins? How did Jesus bring peace to your life? So we spoke about that and then guess what? CH Chad Booth: The, the very next week he came back. I told that waiter about Jesus. Did he accept? I don't think he did accept. I'm not too sure. I forget that part, but I, I don't know whether he accepted or [00:23:00] not, but I know this, that young man knows how to, how to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. And, and how many of us don't know how to do that? CH Chad Booth: Like, as a children's pastor, you would think you need to tell people about Jesus. Okay, let's teach 'em how right then and there. And I didn't even think to do that. So I'm wondering if the, if the listeners, do they even know how to talk about what Jesus did for them? Like has there been a, has there been a time in your life where you're like, listen, I need to tell people about Jesus. CH Chad Booth: How did that make you feel? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, and, and some listeners may not be that, that verbose and that that's okay. There's different ways to spread the good news. The, the way I tried to, to live is a little more subtle, but always being that person that, that has something different. Am I always reaching that goal? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, I'm not always reaching that goal, but I try to be the person that looks different than the rest of the world to set [00:24:00] myself apart from the rest of the world. Just as God had the Jews set apart. That's why they had the kosher laws. So they would be different. So they would know they're different. So that people go, I wonder what they got. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I want that. And, and then when the opportunity rises, my feet are, are shunned with, with the peace. And so I'm able to move quickly. Agilely, I'm able to, if I come across something that I'm not expecting, I God gives me the peace and allows me to keep moving. Mm-hmm. CH Chad Booth: You're exactly right. So having an understanding of, hey, when people ask me, Hey, what's different about you? CH Chad Booth: How could you go through the past couple years thinking you're gonna get kicked outta the army? Thinking that you're gonna get punished, thinking that you're gonna get a go. More thinking that whatever, whatever your, your, the listeners are going through, you put in your trial, you put in your heartache. CH Chad Booth: [00:25:00] So how can you take that, say, well, this is how God brought me peace. This is how I got through it. Being prepared. For that close friend who already knows you for like the the introverts to, Hey, I'm not gonna go out to strangers. But when my introvert friends come to me, I can let them know, Hey, this is what God has done for us. CH Chad Booth: Like quite literally when we had to move out of the house, God literally provided a place for me to stay for a month. God opened up my parents' house for my family to go move in with him. And then God supplied this house that we're in right now so we can be a family. God did that. And when I share that, and this is why service to God, service to Jesus is so important because he is going to be there for you during that hard time where we were separated and she was in the Carolinas and I was here like it was hard, but I'll tell you what, the [00:26:00] peace of God passes all understanding Dr. Sam Sigoloff: that. That kinda reminds me. I. Of this story that I heard some pastors say not too long ago actually. And it was this lady who was a Bible believer and she, you know, she was poor, she didn't have much money, and she'd open her, you know, she'd pray by her window every night and she'd pray, God, please gimme the money to buy food or please gimme food. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And every day she'd be praying this, and I'm sure many of the listeners have heard this before. I'm sure this is an old story. And she's praying and praying, and then one day all this food is just at her front door. And as she's getting in, pulling it in, and she's just thinking, God, the neighbor comes by and says, I heard you praying and I knew God wouldn't provide for you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So because he's an atheist, he's self-professed, atheist. And he said, God wouldn't do this. So I went to the store and I did it. And she's like, yeah, God worked right through you. Boom. You know, you don't have to be following God. To have God work through you, to have those things that you do, you know, work for [00:27:00] the Kingdom of God, work for those who love him. CH Chad Booth: Amen. Yes. But hopefully those people, hopefully that atheist dunno if the story's true or not, but hopefully if something happens like that, they can actually see, oh yeah, that kind of makes sense. And they have an opportunity to, yeah, but they have an opportunity to give their heart to the king of all kings, or they have an opportunity to harden their hearts and to just continue on their life as if there's no God. CH Chad Booth: Like that's their right. They get to do that, you know, the the shield of faith. Do you know anything about like the, the when the shoulder, faith, faith was talked about in scripture? There's an image of a gigantic shield, not like this little. Pany shield that just covers a little bit of, we're talking about a six foot shield covered with wet leather to extinguish the fiery darts of the enemy. CH Chad Booth: And it's, it's [00:28:00] heavy, like this shield of faith is not light at all. It's very heavy. And you gotta clunk, clunk it into the ground and you keep moving. And as you keep moving forward, you gotta pick that up and keep moving forward. And, and all the time it is faith that is what's shielding you from the fiery darts of the enemy. CH Chad Booth: But how many times do we say, ah, this faith thing is just too hard. I just not leave it to the side. Just a minute. Like has there been a time in your life where you've done that and what was the. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it wasn't, it wouldn't be good. I'll tell you that. And I, I think that says a lot about the enemy too. And his darts, they're not just arrows, but they're, they're flaming darts. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're things meant to get you hot to light, you on fire, to get that passion of anger going, but yet you have this giant shield that, that's heavy. It's a heavy mantle to carry with you, but it just puts 'em out and stops 'em, and it puts 'em out and it stops 'em, and people see you putting 'em out and stopping 'em and keep moving [00:29:00] forward. CH Chad Booth: Amen. Yes. And I don't want to be very careful with this because faith is just not blind ignorance. Like so many people, several of the atheists I've spoken to say, well, I just, I can't, I don't do the whole blind ignorance thing to which I respond. I I don't either. There was a book published by Frank Turk and Norman Geisler called, I don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. CH Chad Booth: And I absolutely love that book. It, it goes about it. It, it doesn't talk bad about anyone. It just simply says the atheist, they have more faith than Christians because from where they go, they believe that nothing created something. Well, that gap requires a lot of faith. That gap requires a lot of, a lot really don't know, I just believe it. CH Chad Booth: But the gap from I believe in God and he literally created everything [00:30:00] that doesn't require too much faith. Like when I, when I go and I show my phone, did that phone spontaneously come about? Out of nothing. Everyone would be like, no. You're crazy to believe that. So the human body, and you know this as a doctor, the human body puts this to shame. CH Chad Booth: Like the fact that we have a special knee, the fact that we have a crazy, intense eye. The fact that we're able to grow and defeat viruses naturally. The, the fact, all of this stuff that God gave us, like that's, that's it. And we haven't even started talking about like outside trees and the ecosystem and the food chain and all of that. CH Chad Booth: So all of it just mi ally happened at the right. No, Jesus set it up. He did it. So this shield of faith that we carry, go ahead. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. One thing about that is when, when you look at biology, and this is just a quick [00:31:00] aside for the biology and people who may think that evolution is a thing and that it works, it, it doesn't, it can't. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because basic dogma biology is all cells come from other living cells, but they claim that plants came first. Plants are immensely more complex. Than any animal cell because they take the light of the sun and they convert it into sugar and there's nothing else on the face of the earth that can do that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you didn't have plants come first, you would not be able to have any life. Cuz all animals that eat other animals, eventually that goes back to a chain that starts with an animal eating a plant. CH Chad Booth: Yeah. And, and, and God did this. So when we talk about putting on the full armor of God and using the shield of faith, know that you have all the evidence, all the evidence on your side. The fact that there is a creation points to there is a creator. And if you're if you subscribe to the whole cause and effect, I got it. CH Chad Booth: I, [00:32:00] I completely understand cause and effect, what was the cause. But even at the end of the day, there has to be an UNC caused cause that is not bound to the rules. Of cause and effect. There has to be something outside of space, time, everything who can say, you know what? We're gonna start the first domino. CH Chad Booth: That was the first un caused cause. And logically speaking, that, that sound. So when we put on the shield of faith, when we carry the shield of faith, know that it is a heavy burden. But Jesus is right there. He's the one that if you believe in him, his burden is light, his burden is easy. He will help you bear that load. CH Chad Booth: He will help you move that shield so you can extinguish how the enemy is coming after you today. Eh, before we get to this, the, the, the [00:33:00] sort of the spirit talking about spiritual warfare. It doesn't happen. It, it happens many places. But I want the listener to understand it happens everywhere. It happens when you wake up and you decide, I'm gonna be on time for work today. CH Chad Booth: It happens when you're on the highway and you're driving down the road and somebody cuts you off and you have an opportunity to get a little bit angry, to get a little bit, oh, I'm gonna road rage a pro, I'm gonna do godly road rage. No, no, ain't gonna do that. Cause it is not a thing. So spiritual warfare happens because when God tests us, when, sorry, when we are presented with challenges, we have an opportunity to grow, to stay stagnant or to regress [00:34:00] And, and every time we choose to grow, every time we choose to say, I'm gonna act like Jesus today. CH Chad Booth: Then that opens up our arena where we fight. Cause our spiritual warfare, this, this is my arena right here. This house is my arena. This is where I fight when, when I'm in the, when I'm at work, my arena, where I fight is my battalion. I don't fight in, in at the division level. I don't, I don't fight at the commanding general level or, or the the, the various level, the d o d level. CH Chad Booth: I don't fight at those levels. There's other people's that, that is their arena and God has equipped them to fight in that arena. And, and, and I want to encourage your listeners, you gotta make sure you fight in your arena because if you step outta your, of your arena and you fight in somebody else's ar arena, you're gonna get stomped cuz that's not your [00:35:00] fight. CH Chad Booth: You need to be very astute. You need to be very sensitive. Lord, where do you want me to fight? Where do you want me to put your influence into? Where do you want, how can I further your kingdom? How can I represent you? Well, where do you want me to, to do this spiritual warfare thing? And let 'em speak to you and be very careful, cuz you don't wanna step out of your arena. CH Chad Booth: Does that make sense? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think one thing that kind of goes along with that kind of echoing that same idea is, you know, everyone wants to, well, maybe not everyone, but a few people I know, you know, including myself. I want to, I wanna be brave and pray. Lord, send me, you know, I, I want to be that person. Be ready for that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That challenge that comes with the boldness that says, Lord, send me, have your feet ready to move your hands ready to work. And all that comes from studying the word, knowing how God works. You [00:36:00] know, every time you hear a voice in your head, challenge it. Say, okay, does this fit with what God teaches? Is this how he typically talks? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay, does it, okay now is it something that would be good in this situation for me to do? Okay. And let's say it doesn't fit one of those, then it's probably not God that you're hearing that voice from, whether it be an actual voice. Cuz some people do hear a booming voice or a whisper, an actual whisper. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And some people just have something that they know just deep down inside 'em that this is God telling them to do this. But, but you, you test it and not saying test God, I'm saying. Test the words that you're hearing against how God typically works. Is this something that would help bring more freedom to, to humans more, more like the garden? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Or is it gonna bring more destruction and death and if it's gonna bring more destruction and death and it doesn't align with what God typically says, then have good discernment because that's probably not from the Lord. CH Chad Booth: Yeah. Right on. If, if the listeners out there have never heard the voice of God and you are [00:37:00] saved and you believe in Jesus Christ, I want to challenge you tonight like it has to be tonight. CH Chad Booth: Don't wait another day when you go to bed, close your eyes cuz everyone knows this is the magic. And once you do this and close your eyes, then it's automatic prayer, right? No, but before you go to bed tonight, you need to challenge your heaven, father. Father, I don't know your voice, you said cuz the scripture says, my sheep know my voice. CH Chad Booth: So I know the voice of God. I know how to challenge it. I know how to make sure, Hey, it's did I, is this is this something that is just me? Am I just being a rebel? Am I this and I know how to challenge? Cuz in the same time there was a, there was a situation in Bible college actually. I was driving back from my girlfriend's house good old Brenda. CH Chad Booth: Gosh, I love her. So I was driving back from West Virginia and I saw this hitchhiker on the [00:38:00] side of the road and the Holy Spirit said, pick him up. And I was like, Nope, I'm getting back to college. So I passed him and a couple miles down the road, you better go back and pick him up. Nope, it's too late. And then the Holy Spirit really caught my attention. CH Chad Booth: And he says, you're gonna regret it if you don't turn around and pick him up. Ed, the heaviness that was put on my heart right then and there, I will never forget it. So what did I do? Got off the exit, drove all the way back. It might have been like five miles. And then once I saw him I was like, okay, there he is. CH Chad Booth: And it took several more miles to get to an exit to turn back around. And I picked this, this gentleman up and we spoke about the goodness of God for almost two hours. It was phenomenal. And, and I thought I was doing him a favor. How arrogant. Like I God was doing me a favor. [00:39:00] And so it's situations like that in situations like at 2007, July 4th, 2007, I was jobless. CH Chad Booth: I was I knew God had something different for me. I was moving out of the children's pastor role. I don't know what I built trucks for Freightliner. And I did the children's pastor's thing on the side. Anyway, so July 4th, 2007, I went and I was like, Hey, we're at this celebration celebrating my birthday. CH Chad Booth: Woohoo. And I go over, there's a recruiter tent. I'm like, honey, I'll be back. I'm gonna go get my free Frisbee. I'll be back. Give me some free stuff. You know, you get these, the stress ball, whatever. So I went over there and, well, hey young man, have you ever thought about joining the, the military? Think it was a Navy recruiter. CH Chad Booth: I was like, nah, that ain't for me. Thanks for the Frisbee. And I turned around and walked away and they immediately, I had a check in my spirits. I was like, oh, Lord, are you serious? [00:40:00] And I knew it, like right then, I knew it. So I went back to Brenda and she, she made me cry like it was a, I went back to Brenda. CH Chad Booth: I was like, Holy Spirit just told me I need to join the military and become a chaplain. And she said, Chad, I will follow you wherever you go. And I was just like, oh my gosh, this is, so, I got the best woman in the world like no other man. None of my other girlfriends would've said that. So I'm so grateful for Brenda. CH Chad Booth: She said, I will follow you wherever you go. So of course I went to the to the Navy first off, and I was like, yeah, Navy's not for me. Forget about it. So I went to the Army and enlisted nine years. I said, Hey, I wanna be a chaplain. Let me know what I gotta do. They gave me the big rocks. So I was like, okay, I got the ordination, I got the, the, this, the only thing I needed was my seminary done. CH Chad Booth: So joined the army, used my tuition assistance, got the seminary done despite two deployments to [00:41:00] Iraq, despite two, no three moves. Two moves. Sorry, two moves. Got it done and then started the process of becoming a chaplain. And it took me till year nine. I got everything done by year five, and it took me till year nine that they finally accepted me and I was a chaplain assistant. CH Chad Booth: I thought it was gonna be an easy process, but it, so 2017, 2016, I get word Sergeant Booth, you're gonna be a chaplain. I'm like, oh my gosh, man. Thank you. So, so I know about listening to the voice of God. So if you're out there and you don't know what that voice is or how you, that, that sense, that feeling, that gut feeling that, oh my gosh, I know this is the voice of God. CH Chad Booth: You need to challenge our heaven. Father say, I need to know your voice. Dad, I need to know your voice when we're at the beach, and I [00:42:00] call for my voice. They know it's me calling them when I'm downstairs and I whisper to Brenda, Hey, can you make some cookies tonight? They know my voice and even though I whispered to my wife, Hey, make some cookies tonight, please. CH Chad Booth: They know my voice and they come running down. Please mom, make your cookies cuz my children know my voice. So if you don't know the voice of God, you need to be sensitive, Lord, and, and, and be honest. Like, Hey, listen, prove to me. I need you to prove to me I'm gonna lay out the fleece out and make the fleece wet and the, and the and the ground dry, or vice versa. CH Chad Booth: Do that. I don't care. Do whatever you want, like challenge the Lord and watch him prove himself faithful. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think one thing that's important that I didn't mention before is that third part that makes you know that it's most likely from God is it's usually, as you [00:43:00] described, twice, something you don't want to do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It puts you in a position that's uncomfortable where you have to grow to be comfortable. CH Chad Booth: Yeah, absolutely. E even with the, with the Covid vaccine, asked them, Nope, don't take, don't take any of them. And I said, okay, why did you say any of them? I don't care. You won't take any of them. I said, okay, fair enough. So I put in my loose accommodation, I said, none of them, I can't take any of them. God told me not to take any of them. CH Chad Booth: I said, fair enough. So when they came out with a whole Novavax option, like, Hey, are you gonna take this? No Fetal cells were used. Let's use the Belt of Truth, shall we? But at the end of the day, I was like, no, God told me, take none of them. So that's what I knew, the voice of God. And I had the, the, the, I was grateful [00:44:00] that he made me stand in this uncomfortable time because I did go back to him, Lord, are you sure? CH Chad Booth: Like, this could be so easy. I could just take it. You can, you can cure me from anything, any of the side effects. You can cure me. Like I just became a chaplain almost six years ago. No, in January it'll be six years. I just became a chaplain. I mean, can, can I not just throw in my career because of this? CH Chad Booth: Nope, you're gonna stand on this. Ah, okay. So it was, it was uncomfortable. It was uncomfortable talking to my boss about this. Cause when people start saying, God told me, they get this glaze over their eye and they're like what do you mean God told you? Well, I have this thing called a relationship with Jesus. CH Chad Booth: And as a chaplain, I train people on how to have good relationships with their loved ones. And it has something to do with communication. So if you're not [00:45:00] communicating, if I'm always talking to Brenda and not shutting my mouth and listening to her, not much of a communicator. Same thing goes with our heavily father. CH Chad Booth: He wants to communicate with us, he wants to communicate with you, but we just have to learn to be quiet. Cuz when we get quiet and when we start not fidgeting, our minds start to wander. Oh, the bills are coming up. Oh, we have this coming up. And you start to worry. No quieten. Make your mind quiet. And then listen to God. CH Chad Booth: And when your, cuz your mind will wonder, your mind will start thinking about whatever it thinks about. And you're gonna have to take your thoughts captive and say, no, I'm going to wait and I'm knocking about, I'm not gonna think about these things. I'm simply going to listen to my heaven. Father, [00:46:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: what about the listener that may have stumbled, may have fallen, may have not listened to that voice. CH Chad Booth: Yeah, there's, oh, if you see my hands right here, got a nice little callous right there. It's cuz I do the rower a lot. And the more I use rower, the more callous I have on my hands. You can see 'em right there. I have an opportunity to rip these callous off and my skin will be very, very sensitive and it will hurt. CH Chad Booth: It, but sometimes when we don't listen to the voice of God, we put that callous over our heart. So next time it's gonna be harder to listen. So when you come to the knowledge, Hey, I, I have fallen away from you, father, I, I have closed off my life to you so much that I need [00:47:00] you to rip the callous off. No, there are very, there are two very, very dangerous prayers. CH Chad Booth: That's one of 'em. And the other prayer that is very dangerous is a prayer for patience. If you pray for patience, you better know that you have bad times coming for you a lot. So Lord, take my callous heart and make it soft again. And he will. But it's gonna be very hard. It's gonna hurt because for you to get back to that right relationship. CH Chad Booth: For you to have a heart, a life that is malleable in the hands of our awesome, awesome creator, like callousness has got, hardheartedness has gotta be gone. So asking forgiveness, Jesus, forgive me. And then immediately your sin is removed as far as the east is from the West, and that's how good our God [00:48:00] is. CH Chad Booth: That's how we put on this armor of God. Every, that's how we do spiritual warfare. We, we simply, Lord, when I have thoughts of, of whatever you're struggling with, thoughts of salvation, like, I'm not saved. I do this. I, I'm so bad. I'm still doing it. I'm still living this way. Lord, I, I doubt my salvation. Then, Lord, help me to know that your salvation is not live Like when I, when I sin. CH Chad Booth: I do believe that people can lose their salvation. People can choose to love Jesus. People can choose to push him out of their life. That's, that's my belief. But at the same time, when you walk in a re relate right relationship with Jesus, heck, he's always gonna be there for you, even when we are faithful. CH Chad Booth: He is faithful and, and I love that part. I love that God does that for us. So real quick, I know we're coming up to the end, but [00:49:00] the sort of the spirit, I, I have really just one analogy for the sort of the spirits and that's how are you using your weapon, the weapons that God gave you? How are you using them because the sort of the spirit. CH Chad Booth: Like, do you have a ninja sword? Do you have a samurai sword? Do you have a big old claymore? Cuz I don't know about you, but we're probably a little bit different. The Lord uses me like a blunt instrument, says, Hey, look at this nice little lake. Let's make it, let's mix it with, and then he throws me in and then it, it's just, it's chaos. CH Chad Booth: And it's like, all, Lord, what do you want me to do? I'm ready. That's how the Lord uses me. But there are times in my life where I want to encourage the listener. You need to learn to use a sort of the spirit. So don't just be like this, like you have a shotgun, a 12 gauge shotgun, where, you know what, when, when the enemy comes to me and I'm like, well, greaters, he's in [00:50:00] me than he that's in the world. CH Chad Booth: I tell my soldiers that I'm a spiritual sniper. So when I have certain things come to me like you are a failure as a father, how am I gonna combat that with a specific verse? When I have filthy thoughts come into my mind, how am I going to use the word of God? Oh, that's right. I'm to think on things that are righteous, noble things that are of praiseworthy, things that are pure, like that's the type of, you need to know the word of God so you can use your sort of the spirit appropriately. CH Chad Booth: So when Satan comes to you, when demons come to you and and tempting and when, when you fall into temptation, you can use your sort of the spirit appropriately and your arena. Does that make sense? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Precisely. And I think an important thing everyone must remember too is who is it the centurion that said, I can't remember. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is it [00:51:00] someone who came up to Jesus and said, give me faith in my unbelief. You can pray for faith if you're having a tough time with faith. Pray for faith. CH Chad Booth: Absolutely. It's just like wisdom. Like, Lord, give us wisdom, give us clarity of thought. That's my nightly prayer. Which brings me to my final point. There are timed battles out there, and really two things. You need to have an established quiet time before the Lord and, and if it's difference each week. CH Chad Booth: Okay, got it. I know some schedules are chaotic. You need to have a, as an established time to where you tell your loved ones, Hey, I'm getting alone with God and I'm gonna spend 5, 10, 20, 30, however long I'm gonna spend some time with our heaven. Father, you need that. And then that will [00:52:00] prepare you for specific, and I would call them timed battles. CH Chad Booth: I would call Halloween would be a timed battle. There was a time where we don't celebrate Halloween anymore, like at all, like. It's, it's evil. Why would I celebrate that? Why would I dress my kids up as a demonn or a ghost? Like, no, that, that, that doesn't res resonate with me. You know? So Halloween, we literally, my whole family and, and I got two boys, 16 year old and a 13 year old. CH Chad Booth: We worship the Lord and in our living room, we worship the Lord. And we made not, not prayers, but declarations, that the enemy will not influence this house. That the enemy will protect our street. That the, that the enemy, oh, sorry, that our heaven father will protect our street, and that the enemy will not come on this street whatsoever. CH Chad Booth: And we stood and we, there was [00:53:00] no ambulances that night. All was peaceful. I'm about to say that. All was calm, all was peaceful, all was calm. No, I'm not, ain't gonna to sing the song. You don't want to hear that. But we did that. Those were timed battles. So take the opportunity, take what God has given you and, and, and fight and do your due diligence. CH Chad Booth: Stand up for your beliefs. Stand up for what is right, stand against evil, stand against all the corruption. Stand against it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Growing up I went to this private school, Lutheran Private school, and we always have Reformation Day celebrations on October 31st. CH Chad Booth: Fair enough. Yes. Right on. Oh my goodness. I know. Spiritual warfare to your listener, it might seem way too out there. Well, you know [00:54:00] what Chad gonna leave that spiritual warfare stuff to the pastors. I'm gonna leave it to, you know, the, the clergy man out there. I'm gonna leave it to the you chaplains. Cause you are the professionals, right? CH Chad Booth: Are you kidding me? Do you think so little of yourself? Where the word of God says that you are a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, to declare his praises, who called you out of darkness to declare his marvelous light. Like you are that royal priesthood. And if you're out there thinking, Hey, I'm gonna be good to go. CH Chad Booth: Cause I go to church on Sunday and I'm gonna listen to the pastor and he's gonna feed me, and then I'm gonna get home and, and live six days who, and I may probably forget what he, what he or she taught on anyway. Like, if you are that way, then you're probably not a strong Christian. I mean, you know about if you eat strong food, go ahead, finish that phrase. CH Chad Booth: If you eat strong food, what happens? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You get strong. [00:55:00] You eat weak food, you get weak. CH Chad Booth: You, you get strong it. I love that. I, and I love your, I love it, man. I love it, man. You eat strong food, you get strong. But if you're eating str, even if your pastor is phenomenal and he's giving you the meat of the word and you're like, mm, yeah, this is great. CH Chad Booth: If you're, if you're fasting for the next six days, I would hate to see your spiritual body. Try that with your physical body and see how great you look. Like. Just, just eat one meal, just one meal, and then donate anything for the rest of the week and see how long you can last. Like, nobody wants that, you know, so don't, don't give into the temptation that, well, you know what? CH Chad Booth: I go to church and I give my tithe, and I give, and I'm, I'm generous and I'm a good person. And you need to dig into the word of God. You need to pray. You need to [00:56:00] cha train your children because if you let all, if you let your children just be trained by a children's pastor, it won't be good enough at all. CH Chad Booth: Like my children, oh my gosh, they are warriors. Like they ain't no soul boys. I can tell you that right now. The testosterone levels are crazy up in this house like crazy. And, and my wife, God bless her, she's like, I'm, I'm done. This testosterone is a little bit too much today. I'm done. I'm stepping away. I I got it, honey. CH Chad Booth: But I tell you what, they are strong in the faith also. They know that Jesus loves them. They, they don't have to doubt their salvation. They don't have to doubt where their righteousness comes from. They don't have to doubt that they have the, the, the, the guts, the intestinal fortitude to stand up for the truth. CH Chad Booth: They are ready to tell the gospel to their friends. They are ready to move the shield of faith and say, [00:57:00] you know what? Yeah, you can attack me, but guess what? It's gonna be quenched cuz you will not defeat me cuz I'm more than an overcomer and waits cause I got the sort of the spirit right here. So as soon as I, as soon as your flaming arrows get quenched, guess what sort of spirit I'm going on assault and you're done. CH Chad Booth: And at the name of Jesus, Satan will flee. You're. There, there's no, well, I'm thinking about leaving. No, the sword of the spirit is sharper than any two-edged sword. And when you start using it appropriately, nothing can stand in your way. You are that unquenchable, uncomparable, foe that, that Satan keeps sending people to saying, I'm gonna, I'm gonna mess him up. CH Chad Booth: I'm gonna get him with this. I'm gonna get him with this beautiful woman, and I'm gonna cause them to have lustful thoughts against her. Nope, ain't happening. Boom. Show to faith, sort of the spirit. That's how it's supposed to roll. And, and when you instill that, [00:58:00] when you train your children, when they grow old, they won't have to deal with so many people what they deal with today. CH Chad Booth: Like, they're so sad that, oh, I, well, you know, I'm just so depressed and I'm so sad. Like I'm an accident and, and there's really nothing worth living for. Like, oh my gosh, my God has so much more for your life. God has a plan for you, has a destiny for you? And is it gonna be hard? Most likely. Is it gonna be rewarding? CH Chad Booth: Absolutely. Is it gonna be hard for you and your family? Probably Is your family gonna be stronger and more unified together? So you don't, so you're not dealing with domestic violence, so you're not dealing with thought, thought, thoughts of suicide. So you're not dealing with depression, even though like even I deal with depression, like it's hard. CH Chad Booth: I got it. But through the sort of the spirits, it's gonna be conquered and it continues to be conquered. [00:59:00] You listeners out there, spiritual warfare happens every day. Open your eyes and use the weapons that God has given you so that you can fight the battles that are coming your way. So you fight the battles that are in your arena right now. CH Chad Booth: Then the battles that the Lord has for you in the future, you will be so much more rewarded. You'll be rewarded beyond comparison because when you finish the end of your fight, you're gonna stand before God, the creator. And I prayed. I just, I hope that he says these words to you. Well done, good and faithful servant. CH Chad Booth: Enter into eternity with me or depart from me. I never knew you. You didn't want anything to do with me on earth. So why would I punish you being with me for eternity? [01:00:00] You get separated from my presence. And yes, this is a literal hell, but he doesn't send people there. He gives you what you want. If you want to spend time with Jesus here on earth, he's gonna accept you. CH Chad Booth: And if you don't want anything to do with Jesus during this life, He's gonna give you what you want. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Amen. I think that's the perfect place to stop. Thank you so much, Chaplain Chad. CH Chad Booth: Ah, you're welcome. That was very fun. Thank you for letting me rant a little bit. Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: God bless you.[01:01:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Wright and Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. Thank you.

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I provided vaccines to my patients per informed consent and under my doctor, and then that I took. 34 years ago when I started medical school in 1989 to first do no harm. I've been subsequently indicted by federal government for 1,937 vaccines that were purportedly fake. Dr. Kirk Moore: I gave saline instead and gave him a card that demonstrated that they'd been. Quote unquote vaccinated. So yeah, vaccine cards, fake cards, and oh, and I defrauded the government of $25,000 of their product, of the 1,937 vaccines that I reportedly threw away. Anyway, those are the, those are the charges that came down in January. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are [00:01:00] his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well thank you for joining me. I first wanna give a shout out to all of my Patreon subscribers. Shell Pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at 2020. We have the Pandemic Reprimand dollar at $17 and 76 cents with Ty Charles Tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Anna Frank. $10 self-made level at 10 was with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned with Linda Emmy. Pat, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Don, Jennifer. And the $1 a month level of courage is contagious. Amanda, j Bena, and Darrel. Well, today I want to introduce you to a very special guest that I'm, I'm pleased to meet you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We meet, we were able to talk yesterday, and this man is a true hero. He is doing the best he could and unfortunately got into some legal hot water for it. You may have heard [00:02:00] of him. His name is Dr. Kirk Moore. Sir, thank you so much for joining us today. So give us a, a rundown of what your experience has been through this covid, and then what you've done that, that I consider very heroic. Dr. Kirk Moore: Well it started back in 2020. I, I had a very short window there where I kind of. Took it at government's word that we had a pandemic on the rise took me about a week of being at home and being able to fully research this to realize that it was a pandemic or scam, demic or whatever that was involved. Dr. Kirk Moore: And I started treating people. I started treating my friends, family, staff with hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax vitamin C, vitamin D, you know, per those lingo protocol when he came out. and then I started getting shut down by pharmacies. Not able to, you know, I'm not able to prescribe it. , I was getting all of my patients at the time. Dr. Kirk Moore: My office was closed. We were closed here for last half of March, first half of April for elective [00:03:00] procedures. I'm a plastic surgeon, so everything's elective. So we shut down. So I just did nothing, but you know, Research things at home and kind of come to my own conclusions. I've always been kind of somebody that just doesn't go by, you know, the, the, the don't believe a lot of everything that people tell me now, I've, I mean, it's kind of been further now. Dr. Kirk Moore: If you ask me something, if I see something on the news, unless I can find some sort of corroboration, I actually believe the opposite. And. anyway, so I was treating people. All my patients were coming to me saying, Hey, my docs won't treat me. My neighbors were coming to me. My docs won't treat me. Dr. Kirk Moore: And so I started treating people. I started treating people both just with over the phone prescriptions in the office visits. I was doing house calls for people that were very sick. I was treating people with high dose edl and , you know, saving people's lives. I, you know, there's at least two or three right off the top of my head that I know had they gone into the system would not be alive right now. Dr. Kirk Moore: And probably treated over the course of the last three years, 800 to a thousand people for Covid, and not had one patient go into the hospital [00:04:00] or one patient die. . And to give an idea, you Dr. Sam Sigoloff: going, sorry. No, no, this is perfect. Yeah. And to give an idea of people of where you live, because I think that's important nowadays to understand like, you know, in certain geographic areas, it's easier to do what you've done in other geographic areas, like especially where you live, it's even more difficult to do what you've done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Even, even if we think that it may not be as difficult. The, the actual reality on the ground has made life more difficult for you. Is that? Dr. Kirk Moore: Well, yeah, I mean, I live in an area I live in, you know, suburb of Salt Lake City. People here travel tremendous distance. But there's, you know, in spite of, you know, about 1000001.3 million people that live in the metropolitan area of the, kind of the Salt Lake County, ma, you know, Wasatch Front, you know, there's You know, there's another 2 million people that live outside of that. Dr. Kirk Moore: I have 40, 50% of my patients come from outside of the state, so they come from Nevada, Arizona, Wyoming, Idaho. So people here are willing to travel quite a ways. But when you're shut down, you're not supposed to travel and you're being You [00:05:00] know, being punished for kind of the activities of daily living that we typically take for granted. Dr. Kirk Moore: And then people were, you know, not traveling as much. So we were getting a lot of you know, a lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, a lot of text messages for people that were looking to kind of get treated. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so the next part that I really want to get into as much as we possibly can is when the shots came out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I would imagine that there was probably some, and, and if there's any, any legal issues that you don't wanna talk about, just say, you know, I, I I can't comment on that cuz I know that there is a case where you've been indicted. Is that correct? Dr. Kirk Moore: Right. So So, well, the prequel to that is, you know, sometime in the summer we started, the summer of 2020, we started hearing about, Hey, you can't treat people. Dr. Kirk Moore: This was going along the lines of what I was doing. You can't treat people until, you know, we totally have a vaccine. And I just, just didn't make any sense to me. There was nothing else in our lives that we've done as physicians or as, as you know, practitioners or providers, or whatever you want to call it, that we've actually not treated people [00:06:00] when they come to see you. Dr. Kirk Moore: , you treat 'em for their symptoms even if you can't solve the disease. But we were told that we couldn't treat people and we had to wait for a vaccine. Well, I, you know, we've been trying to get a vaccine for HIV v for 40 years. We've been trying to get a cancer vaccine for over a hundred years. And we have a lot of vaccines that are already you know, the flu vaccine being the main one that really doesn't work. Dr. Kirk Moore: And so I, I was super skeptical of all this. And on top of that, I was skeptical that we were gonna be able to find a vaccine to treat a common cold virus. If we were able to do that, why hadn't we done it already? And so now all of a sudden, when we're in the middle of a pandemic you know, regardless of. Dr. Kirk Moore: What the other stuff is, and the people talk about re, you know treating in the middle of a pandemic, whether it's a good idea or not a good idea. You know, it gets into a little bit more of the science, you know, behind kind of how, how our bodies and immune systems respond to that. But You know, just, just the fact that we are gonna, all of a sudden in nine months time, have a, you know, vaccine available for the common cold just [00:07:00] was a complete it, it just, it smelled of disaster to me. Dr. Kirk Moore: And, and what we're seeing now is it, it is kind of born out to be true. So I was super skeptical of it to begin with. I'm a cynic, as I explained earlier. And so I just, you know, I, I just didn't have any faith in it. I started researching All the stuff that we, that I could see on mRNA, stuff that had been out on all the animal testing, all the animals had died. Dr. Kirk Moore: And, and they either died from the, the, from the mRNA injection itself, or they died from re-exposure to the, you know, to whatever it is that they were trying to treat them against. So if they didn't die from the mRNA shot that they gave to the mice or to the rats, or to the ferrets or whatever animal they were using, as soon as they got re-exposed to it they died then. Dr. Kirk Moore: And they died from an overwhelming pulmonary infection. . So I was just like, you know, you, you haven't had any successful animal tests in the last 20, 30 years since this technology has been out there and available to you. On top of that, we're adding a lipid nanoparticle that [00:08:00] is, you know, is toxic just from itself. Dr. Kirk Moore: So when you put all those factors together, I just, I looked at it that this just isn't this isn't the way to go. So vaccines came out. and I could see it coming. They were gonna mandate it, you know, they were gonna make it part of life and they did. And so I I, I signed up as a vaccine clinic through the Utah Health Department. Dr. Kirk Moore: And I provided vaccines to my patients per informed consent and under my doctor, and then that I took. 34 years ago when I started medical school in 1989 to first do no harm. And I've been subsequently indicted by federal government for 1,937 vaccines that were purportedly fake. I gave saline instead and gave him a card that demonstrated that they'd been quote unquote vaccinated. Dr. Kirk Moore: And then . And so, yeah, vaccine cards, fake cards, and oh, and I defrauded the government of $25,000 of their product, of the 1,937 vaccines that I reportedly [00:09:00] threw away. So anyway, those are the, those are the charges that came down in January. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I'm, I'm looking at the chart sheet here, which is a public source documentation and the case number is 2 23 dash cr dash 0 0 1 0 HC n and I'll, I'll go ahead and put this available on my telegram so everyone can read it cuz it is a public source document that I think needs to be seen. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: By many people. And it says in here that the total value of government property was one. Th and you just mentioned this 1000 240,000 and some change, and almost $125,000. Now that's interesting that it's government property that's destroyed, that, that's what they're concerned about, that we have children, young adults and children dying in the droves due to fentanyl, but yet they, they did an undercover sting operation to figure you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because you destroyed their property. Who cares about the American citizen? Who cares about our children? Who cares that you save children? They want you to destroy children. They [00:10:00] want you to. Well, they haven't put any res well, that we know of. We haven't put any significant resources into stopping this fentanyl coming across the border. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're just a little north of me in Utah, and I'm sure Fitna is pretty bad in that area. , but are they doing the same undercover? Are they indicting people? I, I haven't seen any evidence . Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, every once in a while you hear something of about a big drug bust and you know, and everything else. Dr. Kirk Moore: But yeah. You know, I mean, it's $25,000 worth of product and almost a hundred thousand dollars because they claim that I took $50 in a, in a administration fee or whatever, but, and that's completely false. They know it's false. They wrote that into the indictment. You know, on purpose to make it sound that it was, you know, that I was out for money. Dr. Kirk Moore: And you know, I, I, this was a non-profit organization that I asked people to donate to. It was at a request of one of my patients that actually came in and wanted to pay us. And I said, I'm not taking any payment. I'm not, you know, so, so we took no payments in the office for either the treatment or the vaccines. Dr. Kirk Moore: And this was all done at, you know, as lawyers say pro bono. And you know, [00:11:00] there was absolutely zero profit. But yeah, I mean it's, it's crazy to think about this. I had a friend of mine tell me the other day that you know, the reality of this situation, Kirk, is you have been indicted for not murdering people and not naming people. Dr. Kirk Moore: That's kind of you, you know? He's just like, that's, that's the reality here. The reality is, is that, and the more information comes out, you weren't murdering people, you weren't harming them, and you're not maming them, and you're not putting them on the disability roles of our country, and now the government is coming after you. Dr. Kirk Moore: And you know, it started with kids. It started with you know, families coming in, kids needing to go back to school. Schools weren't letting 'em back in unless they were vaccinated or they had to stay at home. I sent my kid away to school because I wasn't gonna make 'em, you know, either be vaccinated or be around vaccinated kids as much as possible. Dr. Kirk Moore: And I didn't send him, I, you know, I, I asked him, he's 14 years old at the time, actually 13 at the time, and, . And I asked him, I said, Michael, this, you know, these are your choices. What do you, you know, where do you wanna do? And, [00:12:00] you know, he chose, he chose to, you know, go to a different school. And so we, we did that. Dr. Kirk Moore: But yeah, no, that's the, you know, that's the interesting thing here is, is that, you know, the, the, the. , all of the repercussions of the lockdowns and the mandates and the stay at home and the school issues. We've lost at least a year of education, if not more. Kids are growing up without the ability to make eye contact with, they haven't seen people smiling or speeches delayed. Dr. Kirk Moore: You name it, you know, suicide. Just abt, you know, just through the roof. You know, teen, teen depression. I mean, it's just, it's crazy. I mean you know, Sam, we're, we're at crossroads here and, you know, they're using me as an example that, you know, if you don't abide by government rules and regulations, this is what's gonna happen to you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, you, you truly are a modern day Raul Wallenberg, and for the listener, if they don't know who he is, he was I forget what country I think it was. Switzerland. Don't quote me. [00:13:00] But he worked for the crown of that, that country, and he gave these, these certificates to Jews and said, here with this certificate, you are now a citizen and you are no longer under German rule. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And at the end he was basically throwing handfuls of them in front of the, the train cars to save as many Jews as he possibly. and, and it is, Dr. Kirk Moore: oh yeah. I mean, you know, I've, I've heard those comparisons. With Anne Frank, Dietrich Barn, Hoffer Oscar Schindler. You know, you, you name it. I, again, and I had a conversation with a local you know, a local guy ran for Congress. Dr. Kirk Moore: His name is Jason Preston. Had a podcast with him a few weeks ago and, you know, he asked me about courage. And it was interesting because I, I didn't do this out of a courageous thing. I did this, you know, kind of like at a. I don't say duty, I just felt like it was the right thing to do, you know? I mean, it's whatever it is that I did do. Dr. Kirk Moore: Okay. I'm not admitting to anything at this point, but [00:14:00] you know, I, I did this because it's the right thing to do. I had patients coming in and asking for a certain treatment. I felt it was the right treatment, and I provided that treatment form 'em. So, I mean, I abided by you name it, I abided by. My oath, the Hippocratic Oath for to first do no harm, I abided by the AMA Code of Ethics, which says that if you have a conflict with the legal system, that you need to live and, and abide by your own moral and ethical code. Dr. Kirk Moore: First I abided by the Nuremberg Code which was specifically, you know talks about, you know, this scenario where. You know, you can't do something without informed consent. You can't do something against people's wills. The Helsinki Accords the Belmont Report, which was a 1979 report that came out by the US government, was reaffirmed in 2010. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, you name it. And the e u a, the e u a itself says that you can't mandate something that's under emergency use authorization. So, I mean, all of these things, you, you go down the line. and everything here tells people that they're allowed to choose what it is that they want to have done. And so I, I, you [00:15:00] know, I abided by that, that ac those axioms that, you know those principles, you know, you, you treat the people the way they want to be treated. Dr. Kirk Moore: And if they don't want to you know, undergo a treatment, then you don't make 'em do. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. Now, I, I don't, I think we talked about it. I don't remember. I would imagine you have a faith in a higher power. Is that correct? Yes. I believe in God. And, and, and the reason I ask Dr. Kirk Moore: is I'm not super, not super religious, but I, you know, I, you know, there's, we don't, there's a, there's a higher power. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We don't, we don't have to get into that. I understand those are usually privately held beliefs, but I've just noticed that everyone. in this side of the, the Truth movement. The Truth for Health movement, they are, they have some sort of belief in a higher power, whether it be Christian or Muslim, or JU Judaism or, or just whatever they believe the higher power is, if it's a different entity. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I, I see that being an important part of bringing our country back from the brink. Some people might call it revival. But I just, I [00:16:00] see how that is critically. Dr. Kirk Moore: and, but do you see the, do you see a little bit of the hypocrisy there where all of the churches of the world kind of is more or less abandoned? Dr. Kirk Moore: Their, their, you know there are all their congregations and all their people and everything else because they were you know, tip of the spear here in terms of demanding that it'd be done. The pope was there. You know, the, the, the I don't even know what they, the, the prophet here for the Mormon church, which is a big, you know, influencer here. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, the, the Muslim religion, you name it, you know, all of these religions were, you know, kind of like, Demanding that people go and get vaccinated. I, it just doesn't, it, it, it doesn't make any sense to me. And so for the same reason that all of the vaccine injured people and the people that have died from these vaccines and jaw and jabs, I don't like calling vaccines cuz it's really not. Dr. Kirk Moore: They had to change the definition to try to get it to apply. But you know, people feel abandoned. by the, you know, by their religion. For that reason, for the, by the, in the same way that people feel abandoned by the medical system, you [00:17:00] know, because now these people tried, I mean, I, a good friend of mine was a, was a, a volunteer for the AstraZeneca trial. Dr. Kirk Moore: In November, we're, we're talking, you know, two months before any of this stuff even came out. And she was she's been significantly vaccine, injured, significantly. And she's, she was completely erased from the study. Her number no longer exists. She's, she's no longer part of the study. She wasn't referenced in there. Dr. Kirk Moore: She wasn't put in there as somebody that just kind of got lost by the wayside, you know, lost a follow up. She just doesn't exist anymore. And that happened to, you know, any number of people. You know, Maddie Dague that. 12 year old girl who is in a wheelchair now with a feeding tube in was listed as a functional abdominal pain complication from, you know, the, the Pfizer shot. Dr. Kirk Moore: Girl can't walk. She's, you know, struggles with speaking. She you know, she can't eat. , you know, she's been treated as a, as a psych patient telling, you know, again, we've, we've lost her humanity. You know, we have cardiologists at the, at at Cleveland Clinic [00:18:00] that won't see people coming in with a heart attack if they haven't been vaccinated, says, oh, you just deserve to die. Dr. Kirk Moore: I mean, it's just, you know, the, the, the, the, the lack of humanity, Sam, is astounding to me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It truly, I mean, I, I had an interaction, an online interaction. pediatric cardiologist who's in the military, and this is back when I had Facebook and he said, oh, it's just a little small case of myocarditis. It's no big deal. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It, I mean, I was just, and he, and he was saying, later today, I'm gonna go get my child vaccinated. I was just astounded with, with the cognitive dissidents and just like, what do you mean, a mild case of myocarditis? Yeah, it, it might not last long, but the scarring that hard happens to the heart is never repair. Dr. Kirk Moore: Right. And a kid. Right. A kid. And that I, I, I don't know what the numbers are, but the numbers are astronomical. The numbers are like 40% mortality in five years, and people have myocarditis. I mean, it's just, it, it's, it's [00:19:00] just crazy. So you have an eight year old kid, okay, who has a 40%, giant, 40% chance of dying, you know, before he even becomes a teenager, you know, from heart failure. Dr. Kirk Moore: It's just the. . Yeah. Cognitive dissonance to me is a term that applies, but it's not strong enough. You know, there's just, it's equal. It doesn't have that implication of kind of total disregard for, you know humanity and the, and, and I mean, it's crazy. It really is. And. I don't, I don't like making comparisons to, you know, times and everything else, but if you truly read what happened in the Bolshevik resolution, you truly read what happened in Mao with, you know, in China back in the 1940s. Dr. Kirk Moore: And you truly read what happened in 1940s and, and, and thirties and forties and, and Germany and, and all of Europe. It's and it's a level above that because it's worldwide now. I mean, it's every. You, you, you Dr. Kirk Moore: know, we had back in the, you know, [00:20:00] back in Russia in the 19, in the 19 teens, you know, just after the turn of century. Dr. Kirk Moore: , you know, you had other places to go. You could, you know, you could travel a couple hundred miles to Europe and not have the same persecution, you know, in Europe, you know, you had the Jews that were trying to get on boats and trying to leave countries and trying to walk across borders and, you know, go to Austria and go to Switzerland and, you know, and, and, and go south into, you know, into Italy, get on a boat, go to, you know, go to France, you know, wherever it was. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, I mean, they were trying to get out. Where do you go now? , right. Where do we go? I mean, you, you're gonna have to go to some, you know, some war torn country in Africa to kind of get away from the, you know, to get away from the, the, the medical persecution that we have right now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And actually the reason I'm standing here before you today is my great-grandfather left Ukraine, Russia area because of the BOLs Revolution in 1901, which is, you know, it was 2019 years before the whole damour. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, during Rita and Katrina, we had a family member and his mother-in-law stay in [00:21:00] our home in, this was in Texas, and the mother-in-law was a survivor of the Holocaust. So, I mean, these things are not that far removed from where we live today. Dr. Kirk Moore: Right. Well, part of the problem, Sam, is, is that we have we've dumbed down our whole education system. Dr. Kirk Moore: We don't teach people actual history anymore. We. It, it's not an objective reality to the, you know, to them it's a, it's a subjective educational process based upon the opinions of the people that are teaching 'em. And we see this with. The books that people get in school, you know, we see this with you know, the, the types of things that we see outside of school with all of the transgender what do they call those things where they. Dr. Kirk Moore: Take the kids to these transgender displays and dances and everything else where, you know, they, I mean, and even some of the churches are holding these things. It's just, it's outrageous. It's crazy where we've come and we're, we're way ahead of that. I mean, the, the United States, I mean, we don't see that stuff. Dr. Kirk Moore: You go to , [00:22:00] I heard somebody say something if they saw something online or something about how safe Indonesia is, you know, and, and everything else. Well, you know, I mean, there is. You know, you can't spit gum out on the ground in Indonesia or you go to jail. If you're caught with, if you're caught with any drugs whatsoever, it's like a 20 year mandatory sentence, you know, with a, you know, if you go in there, I mean, you think Who is it? Britney Griner or whatever in Russia, right? Where she got thrown in jail for trying to sneak in some marijuana because, you know, she's got a medical prescription for it or whatever. And so you go to these countries and you realize that yeah, they have some really strict rules and really strict laws, but you know, they, they, they stick by 'em. Dr. Kirk Moore: And you know, we have people now that you know, are, are caught raping 12 year old boys and get set. It's just the, it, you know, the world has turned upside down. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's what one might even say. Like, evil is good and good is evil Now in our country,[00:23:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, it, it, it's clearly the unseen realm at war in plain sight. It's no longer unseen. It's just right there. And, and much of what you've described is the best word for it is evil. . Dr. Kirk Moore: Yeah, it's, and it is in plain sight, right? I mean, everybody says that this is a conspiracy theory, and everybody says the great reset is a conspiracy theory, and everybody says all these things are not true. Dr. Kirk Moore: Well, if you, I mean, the great reset, Klaus Schwab wrote a book two years ago about it. Okay. I mean, , it's, it's not like it's, it's a conspiracy theory. He wrote a book, he's telling you what he wants to do. You know, they have a website. The website says you will own nothing and be happy. And that's a conspiracy theory. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, every conspiracy theory that's been out there over the last three years is now born out to be true. You know, everybody says, well, you know, hey, we're not gonna. We're not gonna have vaccines, you know, or, or, you know, we're not gonna, you know, we're not gonna make 'em mandatory. And then they come out, we're not gonna do lockdowns, we're not gonna do it, we're not gonna do [00:24:00] masks. Dr. Kirk Moore: And then they do it. I mean, everything that they said they weren't gonna do, they actually ended up doing. And then now, you know, so it, it, it's just like, you know, you write down this list of things. It's happened here over the last, I mean, it's, it goes beyond three years, but, you know, even just over the last three years and it's, it's nuts. Dr. Kirk Moore: It's absolutely nuts. Sam. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just, I can't imagine what you're going through and I'm, I'm glad you're, you're going through it. We need, we need men. We need doctors like you to stand up and to show that this is, this is what's standing for truth and, and honor and integrity really is. Dr. Kirk Moore: Well, thank you. I think it's, you know, I'm, again, it's not a courageous thing. It's just a, a matter of what I felt to do, which was the right thing to do. . It's, it's more than just me. It's a bigger, there's a much bigger concept here, a much bigger process here. And it's, it's about medical freedom. Dr. Kirk Moore: It's about taking care of our kids. It, it, you know, it, it's about freedom in general. And if we don't have the freedom to determine what our kids put in their bodies, [00:25:00] determine what goes in our own bodies what freedom do we have left? And that's, that's the reality. So , you know, I'm, I'm standing up doing the best I can. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, it's, it's it, it's, it's taken a toll on us, you know, on, on myself, on my, on my kids, on my family. I'm a single dad. And you know, just, just had a meeting in the principal's office because, you know, my son is scared, you know acting out a little bit. He's a good kid, you know, but not in the drugs or, you know, anything else. Dr. Kirk Moore: He just, he's just, he's acting out cuz he's. and he's scared. You know, he lost his mom a few years ago, and so he's like looking at dad under federal indictment and you know, potentially go to jail. I mean, if I get if I get convicted on all charges, the nine 1,937 charges of fake vaccines, fake cards, you know, aiding and abetting , stand to lose $125,000 in restitution. Dr. Kirk Moore: I stand to lose about a $750,000 fine. And up to 28 months in jail. So it's you know, it, it's tough for a 15 year old freshman kid to kind of try to live a [00:26:00] normal life in high school and go through that. So anyway, doing the best we can. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I can't even imagine them wanting to give you jail time for saving people's lives. Dr. Kirk Moore: Yeah, so that's right, that's what I said earlier is that, you know, a friend of mine said, Kirk, you're being indicted for not murdering people. And you know, and the government is worried about, like you said and $25,000 in government product, which is your product in mind, right? I mean, that's, we paid for that. Dr. Kirk Moore: The government doesn't have any money. They don't make any money. They, they. You know, they take it from us, you know forcibly take it from us. And you know, and now they're claiming that, you know, now they're claiming that I, because I threw it away, that that's a federal offense worthy of, you know, kind of going after somebody, you know, for this. Dr. Kirk Moore: When you said there's. You know, kids dying every day of fentanyl, overdoses and, and, and, and depression and suicide. I mean, there's, it's, yeah. Don't get me started, man. We've already been on that . [00:27:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think what's even more striking from the, the spiritual aspect of this whole thing is in, in Hebrew, the word for blood and money are the same. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And there's a reason why they should be connected. You know, for an economy to work, you have to. Money floating around. For a body to work, you have to have blood floating around. And what's just striking is you took your own blood, if you will, your taxpayer money for these, these vaccines, and you dumped it out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But here you're having to use your own blood and money to, to defend your life against them, extracting more money, more time out of your life by if, if they incarcerate you and they're using your money to do it, they're using your own blood to fight. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. And we're both in that same situation. Like I've, and, and I'm using my own blood to fight me and defend myself too, right? Because I'm, I'm fighting against the government right now. I'm suing them and they're actually coming against, after you against military. Dr. Kirk Moore: You're fighting against the government, fighting against the state. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, if [00:28:00] I lose, I lose money. But if you lose it, it could mean time away from your life. Dr. Kirk Moore: Yeah. Well, I had an attorney, local attorney here you know, slap the indictment down on a table, and I went and interviewed him. And he said, you know, why did you do it? Talked to him a little bit, you know, and then he said, you know you need to. , I'm paraphrasing here. Okay. You need to cut your balls off, walk in there with your tail between your legs, and you need to beg for mercy with the court because they're gonna throw the book at you. Dr. Kirk Moore: You need to go see a psychiatrist to get a psychiatric evaluation that proves that you're not a danger to society. And . So the only thing I didn't do when I walked outta the office was slip 'em off. But yeah, so that's the mentality, you know, that's, that's where we are. And you know, you, you, it's, you know, I, I mentioned it briefly, you know, there's doctors [00:29:00] out there that won't treat people if they haven't been vaccinated. Dr. Kirk Moore: There's people out there that can't get a kidney transplant because they're not vaccin. One of my mom's really good friends just died yesterday because she was a cancer survivor. And they, and, or she was a cancer survivor. This was back in 2020 and was getting chemotherapy. They delayed her chemotherapy and then when the vaccines came out, they wouldn't treat her until she got vaccinated. Dr. Kirk Moore: So she got vaccinated. In addition to the breast cancer that they were treating her for, she ended up with a kind of turbo uterine cancer, and she passed in less than 18 months. And less than that, yeah, I mean 18 months. So it's just the again, I, it's. The lack of humanity and the cognitive dissonance that you mentioned earlier is, is is just astounding to me. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, you, you and I we're smart people, right? And we went to medical school. I went to medical school with 125 other kids. I dunno how many kids were in your class. And you're just sitting here and you're just going, [00:30:00] okay. So a hundred and a hundred people every year out of the University of Miami where I went to school you know, every year, year after year after year. Dr. Kirk Moore: So they've had 3000 students that have. Graduated from medical school since I left school. And, and you multiply that by the number of schools that are out there. I mean, how many schools are out there, 125 schools or whatever. It's and, and you just sit here and you're just looking at all these people and you're going, are you telling me that there's less than 1% of people that actually think about what the repercussions and what the ramifications is of. Dr. Kirk Moore: experimental product that has never been tested on animals, that has never been humanly tested is gonna be something that is safe to give to not only kids, but pregnant women. I mean, they specifically excluded pregnant, pregnant women from the Pfizer study and they told people to not get pregnant. Right? Dr. Kirk Moore: And then two months later you have the, the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology telling, oh yeah, it's safe for pregnancy. [00:31:00] And as a matter of fact, we demand that you get it. , you can't go to the hospital to deliver your baby unless you've been vaccin. . I mean, it's Where do you, so where, I mean, again, where does that come from? Dr. Kirk Moore: Your whole career has been spent on every drug. I mean, you can't even give Advil to women that are pregnant and you're gonna give them some sort of shot that you don't even know what's in it that you have already seen has caused myocarditis in the people that are getting it. and you're saying, okay, it's gonna be safe to give to pregnant women. Dr. Kirk Moore: What's gonna happen? I mean, you know, you've seen the numbers. I mean, Dr. Thorpe had a Michelle Gershman on the on the, you know, the high wire, you know, three, four months ago talking about, you know, maybe not even quite that long ago, maybe November. Yeah, I guess it was three or four months ago. Dr. Kirk Moore: We're already in March . Anyway you know, so. Talking about her getting an email and the email said, well, we're really sorry about the record number of live births or live deaths or, or stillbirths. Okay. And fetal [00:32:00] demises that we had in the month of August, and we're really sorry because it was only matched by the record of fetal demise in the month of July 21. Dr. Kirk Moore: Okay. 21 cases in July. 21. In August, okay. And we've already, it's only the 9th of September. We've already had seven. So they're sitting here and apologize and they're going and we don't see it getting any. And yet there's no, how do you, how do you not take the next step and say, what have we done differently now? Dr. Kirk Moore: I mean, if you, I, you know, I'm a plastic surgeon. If I go in there and I do 10 consecutive breast augmentations and every single one of them turns out badly, and I, you know, and every single one of them, the right breast implant is like in the. Okay. Am I not gonna go back and look at what it is that I'm doing and trying to figure out what it is that I did wrong to cause the right breast implant to go all the way into the armpit and then people coming back in me having to reoperate 'em. Dr. Kirk Moore: I mean, of [00:33:00] course you are, you know, but I'm not gonna look and find out and go look back and say, oh, well you smoked pot when you were 17 years old, and that must be the reason why this is happening. Or, you know, you, you went. You know, you, you went to the gym seven and a half weeks after your surgery and you know, and now you can't go to the gym anymore. Dr. Kirk Moore: I, I mean, that's the mentality that we have here. We're not looking at, you know, it's kind of like you were never, you're never told to, to look for the red herrings here before. But now the whole medical community is telling people to look for the red herring. , right? I mean, you had your differential diagnosis that went down, okay, what have we done differently? Dr. Kirk Moore: What is the presentation of your symptoms? And it could be, you know, diabetes, it could be high blood pressure, it could be, you know, whatever the list, you go down the list, right? This is, and then as you get farther and farther down the list, it's, you know, less and less frequent. So you, you know, you'd have docs that where you're teaching you internal medicine or family practice or whatever and what surgery. Dr. Kirk Moore: Okay. What are the possibilities here? And you don't start off with the weirdest thing possible. You start [00:34:00] off with what's the most common thing? What is, what is the thing that changed? What is the thing that you know, that everybody just had done? Well, we've all just been, we all just forcibly vaccinated 70, 80% of our nation, and now we're seeing all these problems. Dr. Kirk Moore: So what, what else could it be? . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, to, to your point about the schools I know this is, this is, this is a heavy, hard topic and it's, it's draining to talk about this, but it's, it's uplifting to see men like you. But I think kind of to answer that, that question about the schools, how can so many doctors, cause this has been just, you know, boggling my mind too, is how, how can so many doctors be so spiritually blind? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think it's, it's who they pick. It's a selector. Who did they pick to go to these schools, the ones that have performed the best in school? Well, the ones who performed the best in school have either been in the school the longest or have bought into whatever they were selling at school. The indoctrinated, and it's the indoctrinated who have become bestowed with the doctor ad doctorate and, and now they are driving.[00:35:00] Dr. Kirk Moore: Yeah, I mean that's a, that's, that's a great way to look at it, Sam. And you know, they've been kind of tailoring their education system to get people to be compliant with the system and to not bucket. . I, I guess how do people like you make it through there? ? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I don't know. I think, you know, the whole Milgrim experiment, there was about 20% that didn't shock people till they were dead and beyond death. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that percentage of med school applicant e is probably much smaller, especially the ones that get accepted. But, but here we are. . Dr. Kirk Moore: Yeah. And, and there's an apathy, right? There's a just a generalized public apathy and a public trust that the government is doing the right thing. And the sad thing is, you know, again, I hate to go keep going back to the, you know, the Highwire, but you know, I watched Del Big Tree a lot and you know, and, and he had Mickey Willis on six months ago, and Mickey Willis made a statement on there, said, you know, Dale said, Hey, when are we gonna. Dr. Kirk Moore: Out of this and Mickey said, you know, it's gonna be, [00:36:00] my fear is, is that it's gonna take a close to home. kind of tragedy for people to kind of, you know, see this. And even then, I don't know that a lot of people do because you've heard stories of, you know, my, well my husband just, you know, he had a heart attack. Dr. Kirk Moore: He was 67 and you know, he was otherwise healthy and he went to the gym seven days a week and you know, everything else. And he just had a heart attack and you know, hey, she know shit happens, you know, when you don't really think about it. The guy was healthy, not overweight, not taking any medications and everything else. Dr. Kirk Moore: Why did he have a heart attack? I mean, the. I can count on one hand the number of people that I, when I grew up, you know, and I'm older than you are, Sam, but you know, I grew up and I'm talking about, you know, kind of in my formative years, teenager, early twenties, you know, late seventies you know, early eighties. Dr. Kirk Moore: I, I, I knew two people that had their parents that died. Okay. One guy, 40, he was a young guy, actually, maybe 39, 40 years old. And you hear about, you know, what happens, I'm not saying it doesn't happen with a congenital family history of heart disease and, [00:37:00] you know, two teenage kids and, you know, and he just, he, he just killed over in his living room and died. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, I, it happens, right? But now, I mean, it's, it's happening every day. So you know, that, that same lady that I was telling you about earlier, who's, you know, who, who was the AstraZeneca you know, kind of volunteered. Her sister has had. Two, maybe three shots. Educated person. Okay. She's a doctor. Dr. Kirk Moore: She's developed autoimmune diseases, rheumatoid arthritis. Her husband died from the vaccine. And you know, she's maybe now starting to realize that there's something wrong, but we're talking about this is well over a year, year and a half into this. And so even Mickey saying, Hey, it's gonna have to hit close to home. Dr. Kirk Moore: You know, there's a lot of people that are so snowed by this and, and have their wool pulled over their eyes that, you know, even, even their husband dying at, you know, 52 years old right next to them, you know, in his sleep four days after a Pfizer jab is still not gonna, you know, still not gonna [00:38:00] see it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What scares me is this, if this were the graph of deaths, I don't believe that we're at the uptick yet of this hockey stick that will be going. . And that's, that's what terrifies me, is I don't, for as bad as it is, I don't think we're even at the uptick. Dr. Kirk Moore: No. I mean, we're seeing the uptick. We're, we're certainly not at the peak. Dr. Kirk Moore: I this is, and this is gonna go on for a whole generation, okay? This is gonna go on for unless we stop these shots and unless we stop giving 'em the kids, and unless we stop giving boosters to adults and, you know, and still trying to find people to, to. It's a jab. You know, it's, it's gonna continue. Dr. Kirk Moore: And you, because you have all of the, it's just a huge unknown, you know, we talked a little bit about this yesterday, the lipid nanoparticle. I mean, that's never been injected in humans before. Okay. And, you know, what is, what are the ramifications of that? What are the ramifications of the reverse transcription of the mRNA into the DNA N. Dr. Kirk Moore: Okay, so what happens with people [00:39:00] that do not get sterilized, that, that are still fertile and they have this DNA in them now and then they mate with somebody else who has that dna? What, what is gonna happen with their kids? Right. What, what are those, what's, you know, we just, we don't know that we have no idea because we have a total of nine months of study on this and none of it on. Dr. Kirk Moore: It's just it, it, it just, it amazes me that there's not more people out there asking these questions right now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Wow. I mean, it's just, it, it's shocking. It's terrifying. It's there's hope though. And Go ahead, Dr. Kirk Moore: sir. No, no, no. You're right. There's always hope. I, you know, you can't give up. Okay. And I would never be in that situation to do that. But you know, I, I'm, I'm optimistic, you know, in the future I think we will turn this around. Dr. Kirk Moore: I mean, we always do. But in the meantime, what's the, what's the carnage that we're gonna, you know, that we are going to, you [00:40:00] know, see in, in the course of the next 20 years? and you're, you're, you're younger than I am, you know 20 years for me will put me close to 80. So hopefully I'm still there. Dr. Kirk Moore: And, and, you know, able to comprehend what's going on. But . Yeah. It's it's a, it's a scary thought. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I think before we can have any healing from this, the real criminals not, not you who's been labeled a criminal and, and not the, I I, I had a guest on here who was actually convicted of not getting a shot and not wearing a mask, which are both e u a products, as you know, and they're both Unlawful and illegal. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I use those terms differently to tell a service member to take the shot or to wear a mask. He was on this show and he was convicted of that in a court martial. But we need the real felons, the ones who are pushing all this to get their day in court at Nuremberg 2.0. Not, not you, sir, who's been standing for life and for liberty and for. Dr. Kirk Moore: Oh, I appreciate that, Sam. And I agree. I don't think there's [00:41:00] gonna be any any level of justice until we see some element. Of, you know, these, these pushers and you know, I just saw the term the other day that I hadn't used very much, but poison pushers. And, you know, I mean, again, conspiracy, you know, Deborah Burkes writes a book and says, well, we just based this whole thing on hope. Dr. Kirk Moore: And, you know, and it's just kinda like, seriously, you, you're, you're supposed to be a scientist, you know? And then Rochelle Wilensky, who. You know, in Congress to a question by, I don't know who asked her the question, but, you know, basically, are you ever gonna change your, you know, your masking protocols for kids based upon the current science that shows that masks don't work? Dr. Kirk Moore: No, we don't plan on changing that. You know, that, you know, those dictates isn't that your job? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's worse than that. It's not that they don't work, it's not that they're ineffective, they're destructive to humanity, that that's the bigger issue. They're. N not efficacious. They actually destroy children and their psyche and their ability to read other [00:42:00] people and almost cause almost like autism, because the whole point of autism is you can't read a face, you can't understand facial expressions, you can't understand other humans. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you never see a face, then you never have your face seen, then you can't understand human expressions. Dr. Kirk Moore: Yeah. Again, I mean, it, it's kinda. Every, at every step of the way, every turn you make you realize that, you know, there's, you know, not just the fork in the road, but you know, there's seven different ways that you can go. Dr. Kirk Moore: And there's so many rabbit holes and so many areas that you could go to and research and look into. It's it's daunting. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, I wanna be respectful of your time and I truly appreciate you coming on. Do you have a GS send go. Dr. Kirk Moore: So we do, it's it's a Gibson Go Stand for more. Just s t a n d f o r m o o r e. So you can go to the Gibson Go website and put in, put in those words. Or you can go to the Stand for More website. So stand for more.com. And there's a GIBS Send Go on there and we'd appreciate any donations we can [00:43:00] get. Dr. Kirk Moore: Thank you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'll put a link down below so that you can get that. Sir, you definitely deserve one of these. Send me your address and I will send you one of these. This is the Pandemic Reprimand Covid 19 Reprimanded ranks. And I wish I had something a little more Dr. Kirk Moore: and I'll wear that proudly. Thank you very much, Sam. Dr. Kirk Moore: I'll definitely get you my address. Thank you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I wanna talk to you some more after we come off the air about lawyers and see if I can hook you up with anybody that I may know. Dr. Kirk Moore: Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:44:00]

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BB King Fired then Promoted === Nurse Kelly: [00:00:00] So I explained to him that he who is in me is greater than he that is in the world. And those are my exact words. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff. For he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Guloff was either off duty or unapproved leave and Dr. Sig oloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now to Dr. Sigoloff, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: thank you for joining me again. So I first wanna give a shout out to all of my Patreon subscribers. Thank you so much, shell, Sam, and Angela, Sheey, Ty, Katie, Kevin Linda Emmy, Joe Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Amanda. Jay bets nasty. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Darrel, thank you so much for all the support that you've given me. Thank you so much. I truly [00:01:00] appreciate it. I do know how much the dollar is worth these days as everyone seems to have less and less of it and it buys even less and less things. Well, I wanna introduce my next guest. It's, it's a pleasure to have her on because she recently was basically fired from her job, if I'm not mistaken. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is Brandy King. She's a pilot for the, for the Air Force. And about a year after she was fired, she was called on a Sunday and said, we don't really know what to do, but you've been selected to be promotable to Colonel. So Brandy, thank you so much for coming on. Tell, tell our viewers and, and our listeners, you know, kind of your story, how this all started. BB King: Sure. Well, I don't know how far back to start, but I, at some point in my life determined that I would like to fly and after nine 11. I wanted to fly for the Air Force for obvious reasons. I felt like our patriot our country had been attacked and my patriotic duty was to go and serve. So I did [00:02:00] God open the door for me to be a pilot in the United States Air Force air Force Reserve Command specifically, and it was a great career for 19 and a half years, just about. BB King: So the last assignment that I had working for the Air Force Reserve Command was his director oper of operations of the formal training unit, the C5 Super Galaxy formal training unit. So I saw about 250 plus or minus students a year flow through there, and directed all operations as a title ens. BB King: And that was a great job and I, I really liked it and had a lot of success. I feel like. But about a year or so into that, maybe a little bit more, I was called by a two-star general at Headquarters Air Force and was asked to be the lead officer for a newly signed strategy by the Chief of Staff of the Air Force. BB King: And I agreed to do that. So it took a brigadier [00:03:00] general to curtail my orders my AGR orders, active guard reserve orders, which went, took me through mid 2024, I believe. And I went on orders working for Air Education Training Command on this new strategy and was tasked with starting a branch in support of the strategy. BB King: So, I, I did that and about three months into that, I got actually two months into that, I got notice of the order to vaccinate with a Covid-19 vaccine. Oddly, for a year and a half, I had been running a schoolhouse with hundreds of people and never got covid. We didn't lose any training. We, we delayed training like everybody because we did have, you know, scary events because of trace con or contact tracing and fear like that. BB King: But nobody ever got hurt. Nobody was out for too long and it was smooth operations for the most part. [00:04:00] So then I get the call when I'm serving in the capacity of R d I lead at aetc Air Education Training Command, and I'm actually working from home like 99% when I do go into the office. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So you're teaching people to fly from home? BB King: No. So that was when when I, when I was flying, I was in the office and nothing bad happened. Ok. Then I got hand selected or by name, requested to go run a strategy at a different base in my, in my hometown. And when I was doing that, I did a lot of Zoom meetings. I worked with numerous entities and stakeholders all around the country, both civilian and military. BB King: And oddly so I had been face-to-face with two 50 plus students, no problem. I go work from home and I get this call that I have to vaccinate and I, it's insane. It blew my mind. So I, I knew I had done my research by then and we all kind of felt like [00:05:00] something was, was gonna happen in that regard when Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin put out the direction in the memo and directed all of the commanders to have everybody vaccinated. BB King: I got the call on September 11th. I was doing a run at my church. Faith Runs Global and my husband and I did the run and we were walking to the parking lot with some friends and my ful bird colonel, director of staff for the, the two-star general at numbered Air Force called me and read the order. BB King: And I was in shock. And it was so ironic because I had signed up to serve after September 11th, 2001, and I was getting a call telling me that I had an ultimatum to either get a vaccine that I could not do because I had been in prayer, I had been in the word of God, I had been specifically informed by the Holy Spirit not to put this in my body. BB King: And I was not gonna go against what God was directing [00:06:00] me to do, yet my whole career hinged on this date and this event. And it was just, it's like everything came full circle. So I explained to him that he who is in me is greater than he that is in the world. And those were my exact words. And it, and it wasn't meant to be snarky, it was just, I had to share with him my faith. BB King: And he said, I'm gonna give you time to think about it. And I advise you to get the shot because religious accommodations, from what I hear, will not be honored. And my husband and I and my friends were in shock when we heard this. And so I, I went about my business and didn't forget about it. BB King: Obviously this thing is looming, but I, I prayed about it and I asked God to open the doors to let my career continue. And I finally, on the 28th of September, Received a call when I was in a meeting doing my job and the call was from the same gentleman. [00:07:00] And he said here's the deal. I need to know right now. BB King: Are you going to submit a religious accommodation or are you going to get the vaccine? And the order had stated I had to do it by the 3rd of October. This was the 28th of September. So I still had four or five days to be able to decide. And I said, I, I cannot, I cannot get this vaccine. So I will be complying with the order by submitting a religious accommodation request. BB King: And he said, well, then your orders will be terminated and you'll be finished in this position. And I, I was in complete shock. And that happened within about three hours. I checked our Arrows database, which holds the orders, and my orders were indeed canceled. And I had no job and I, somebody who had canceled the orders, I guess had also clicked a box saying that I was a civil servant.[00:08:00] BB King: And so I couldn't even get TRICARE after that. So I, my family had no income from my service and no healthcare within hours, literally like three hours after 19 years. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's amazing. It's almost like it's, I don't wanna sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's almost as if they have meetings and they have things that they want you to be in. And if you don't have this, then you can't be in those meetings because to, to dispatch your entire career in 19 years, that, that quickly, it's like, well, What's in this, that's that important, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is there something in there that, that prevents you from being a national security risk? And if you don't have it, you're a national security risk. I mean, they, they didn't use those, that nomenclature with you, but they did with me. And it's, I'm seeing this pattern over and over and over again. It's like, get it or get out, get it or get out, get it, or have everything [00:09:00] bad done to you as if there's something in this, I'm not saying there is something in this that would cause you to be different, but it's almost as if there is something in there that would cause you to be different, that would allow you to sit in on these meetings that would, you know, allow your security clearance perhaps to continue. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It'd be interesting to see if your security clearance is still in full effect if they, they remove that as well. BB King: I have no idea. I mean, I literally yeah, it's absolutely mind blowing. How important this shot was. And then, you know, fast forward, I, after I, after I submitted the religious accommodation request, I started reading regulations and instructions in statutory law in the Constitution like crazy, just trying to figure out what was going on. BB King: And in doing so, I, I found that in the afi, the Air Force Instruction 48 10 ip, I think it's, there are many exemptions that are [00:10:00] allowed in medical practice. So, for example, if I, I'll just tell you the three exemptions that I submitted, the memo for the Secretary of Defense allowed for individuals who are participating in a in a. BB King: To continue in that study and remain unvaccinated until the study was over. So it was kinda like a shortterm term exemption. I submitted that because I was part of a study, an unvaccinated cohort, and it was denied. Then I submitted a medical exemption request for being immune, having natural immunity. BB King: Cause I had my antibodies tested and they were off the charts and that was denied. And then I thought, you know, we, Pfizer doesn't wanna tell us what's in the vaccines and so for 75 years or however long it was. And so I just wanna make sure that everything that's in this vaccine, I wanna exhaust all possibilities and, and say what's in it and do I have any problem with it? BB King: I [00:11:00] wanted. I knew God had told me not to get the vaccine, but I also wanted to know what medical practitioners had to say about it. So I went to two different doctors and found out that I was in fact allergic to two component known two of the known components in or ingredients in the vaccine. And both allergist, certified allergist wrote letters saying, Hey, she has potential to go into shock and either do long-term damage or potentially die from this vaccine. BB King: So we do not advise that she gets it denied. And then after I submitted those three medical exemption, the two-star General wrote me an email and said I'm giving you a letter of reprimand because of your poor judgment for submitting both a religious accommodation and a medical even medical exemption request. BB King: and and not doing them at the same time, which when I went back and I read his original order, he specifically [00:12:00] stated in the order I could get the vaccine or submit a religious accommodation request or a medical exemption request. So it was a weird and oddly written order that was not legal, number one. BB King: And then number two, I, there's no time limit. There's nothing that says that I, there's no law and there's no instruction in the Air Force or Department of Defense instructions that says you can't submit subsequent as you learn about issues, subsequent exemption request. So it was just really strange and it just felt wrong. BB King: Everything about it felt wrong. And so I got the letter of reprimand and in that same email he told me that his intent was to send me to the non participating inactive Individual ready reserve, which is, I mean, the two things in combination, it's career and it, it ended my career in seconds. So it was a hard pill to swallow, but [00:13:00] I also knew that God had given me very specific instruction and I, I have never wavered since I made that decision. BB King: Based on his direction. I've never wavered and second guess myself in what I was gonna do. I always am an information gatherer, so I always seek extra information. But I just felt confident that I was doing exactly what God wanted me to do. And oddly, you know, 14 months after I've partici, I, I haven't participated for 14 months. BB King: I mean, they just wanted me to disappear. And I get a call from a general flag officer telling me that I've been promoted and I just, Matthew 19 comes to mind when. When you know, he says that with man, these things are impossible, but with God, all things are possible or anything possible. And Lieutenant Colonel was rejected and kicked and promoted for full Colonel.[00:14:00] BB King: God has a great sense of humor. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He sure does. Colonel Promo or Lieutenant Colonel Promotable, I think the Air Force says it a little differently. W we, we say in the Army, we say Lieutenant Colonel Promotable. That's just an incredible story. So it makes you wonder, and you and I kind of speculated about this yesterday when we talked, you know, is it pure incompetence, that they pro was the reason for promotion? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Like they just didn't realize they should have removed you from the roles? Because I don't think the listener understands, at least in the Army, this is the way it is and. I want the listener to know also that I recently had my promotion board convened, and I don't know if I gained that promotion yet, but this will be a very interesting experiment to find out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So for my promotion board, they had this two different ways of doing it. Either opt in, like you say, okay, I'm gonna put my name in the hat to get promoted or opt out, meaning I have to take my name out of the hat because they're gonna potentially promote me anyways. And with the [00:15:00] Optout system, they usually do that when they, they have, they need X amount of kernels and there's no way they're gonna get X amount of kernels. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So they just say, everybody, all right, we're putting everybody's name in the hat. If you really don't want it, then you can opt out. So it makes me think that, first of all, they don't have enough kernels at the level that they need kernels. In your case, they're, they're completely incompetent in that, that they're, they're promoting someone that they've basically fired. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Or the third option is there's someone inside who knows what you're doing, who sees you and said, let's just put her name over here where she deserves to be promoted. Yeah. She is one of the few that has earned one of these patches. And I'll be, once we, we get off with each other, I'll send you one of these cuz you, you definitely deserve this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I would love that. Getting a call from a two-star saying you're fired, and then, and then the pleasure of being called by a one star and said yeah, I know it's Sunday. I know it's, it's not a workday. But you've just been promotable. Yeah. So I, when we're done, I want to definitely send [00:16:00] you one of these. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. . BB King: Yeah, it's funny. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and, and, and. Go ahead. BB King: I love your third option. Yesterday when we briefly spoke, I and you gave that option, my husband was sitting in the living room with me and we were like, yes, that op, that third option of some, you know, good human being that has seen my work and knows my heart and my dedication and service before self attitude and says, yeah, let's put Brandy in. BB King: I mean, that's what I'm hope hoping. I hope that, I hope that the Air Force Reserve command isn't so incompetent that they just wished me away and it, and, and then forgot to take, you know, my digital self out of the mix. I hope that's not the case. And then I also hope that they're not suffering from a loss of people that wanna serve, which we know they are, but I hope it's not to the extent where they take disappear. BB King: You know, reject rejected island of the [00:17:00] misfit toys, kids like me, and then give us full bird. So the third option is by far the best. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But, but even if it was an accident, a pure accident, they would have to have cuz so. When I, when I had my promotion board, it was an opt-out system, but even then, so I had to go into the system and actively click on link saying, yes, this, this packet, all the information is here, in here is correct. And then I actually got an email from someone saying, okay, everything's done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is there anything else you want the board to see? And I sent them , some of my rebuttals to my negative OERs officer review boards because I wasn't allowed to put them in with the negative officer review board. So hopefully, hopefully I got that promotion as Paul, but we'll see. Yeah, I'll say a prayer. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it's, it , but it, it's not just like, even if it's an opt out system, you still have to go win and click things. And so [00:18:00] that's why it makes me think that someone inside, you know, this, this idea of a white hat, lack of a better term, but someone who, who sees the good and is, is also a follower of God likely went in and said, you know, let's just put her name in this hat. BB King: That would be awesome. And someday I would like to be able to thank that person face to face, . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And if you happen to be that person and you happen to be a listener, shoot me an email. I'll keep your identity silent and quiet. But just, I'd just like to have that satisfaction of letting brand know that Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Someone, someone sees her so see, sees what she's doing. There's a couple things you mentioned earlier that I just really want to draw attention to. September 11th, it's an interesting date. There is this, this man Dr. Michael Heiser, he's a biblical scholar. He wrote the book, the Unseen Realm, and I encourage everyone to go read it or listen to it, check out his YouTube channel. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But there was a video he did a while back and he talks about Jesus' [00:19:00] birthday and he has an interesting way of doing this. He, he worked with someone who studies the stars. I always get it mixed up if it's astrologer or astronomer. But he, some, someone actually studies the stars and the constellations and the, the bodies in the sky, not, not your horoscopes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what he does is he takes all of the constellations that are described in Revelation and he, he looks at that and he puts 'em into basically a timepiece that, that showed the stars in the sky. And all of those constellations would have been visible in a 40 minute window, three BC September 11th, and he suspects that was Jesus' actual birthday, which if you look back the date September 11th, there's a lot of really bad things that happened on September 11th throughout history, not just for us in 2001. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If I have that date correct. But it's, it's almost as if the unseen realm is trying to undo that day. Because if, if you're in the unseen realm, you're one of these bad you know, these fallen angels, one of these watchers that has fallen, and you, [00:20:00] you know, that there is going to be a point where something happens that leads to the savior coming, that that destroys their entire earthly kingdom and the birth of that thing, or the Messiah or Jesus was on September 11th, you're gonna do all you can to make that day become more infamous than famous. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it makes a lot of sense that way. And it's interesting how you got these calls on September 11th each time. BB King: Yeah, it's very interesting. And I, I firmly believe that this is a spiritual battle. A spiritual war. And I believe, The enemy, Satan will use all means possible, deploy all demons to attack us and to distract us and to deceive us. BB King: And I think that's what we see happening worldwide, but also in specifically in the US military. We've got some great people that are serving and you know, I I, I have [00:21:00] my issues with our leadership right now with flag officers and oh six s specifically. I think that our culture has shifted to a self-service culture. BB King: Meaning I got mine. I just need to get my rank. I need to get a bigger ribbon rack. I need to be promotable. I need to have a better title. And I'm gonna be honest, I got caught up in that. I dunno how you couldn't in that system. I think every single person does or they just don't care and they're there to click away the days and hopefully get a retirement. BB King: But at the same time, I think there are really good people, and even though we get distracted momentarily by shiny objects like birds on your shoulder or lapel, I, I think ultimately there are some really good people who will be able to break free from those distractions and be able to sacrifice self, which is what we're called to do, not only as Christians, but as service members.[00:22:00] BB King: I also think that there are people that will succumb to those distractions and to the deceit that the rank and the privilege is more important than the service. But if anyone listening or any flag officer knows Jesus and knows Christ, And our, our Lord and Savior. Then he or she also knows that God says over and over and over, the first shall last, the last shall. BB King: First the weak shall be strong. He uses people like Rayhab and he goes in out his way for people like the woman, the woman at the well. In Luke I, I think it might be chapter nine, I'm not sure. He talks about healing the crippled woman who had been crippled for 18 years on the Sabbath. He heals hers. BB King: One the Sabbath miracles and, and it's, I find myself, and then the, the man laying next to the, the healing pool, I find myself saying, you know, Jesus always [00:23:00] goes to the people that are least likely to be used by this world for good and for, and that look at, or look at by this world as strong. But Jesus goes to the week and, and I'm nobody, I'm just Brandy King from, you know, south Texas. BB King: Happy-go-lucky. Nothing special about me except for that I was made in God's image. And, and God is using me. And I see that, and I, my hope is, is that our leaders will turn from the deceit of this materialistic world and will recognize the rank, structure, and the, and circumstance of the military for what it is. BB King: And, and start serving. Start serving again. Stop taking and start serving. Start upholding the Constitution. Read it. Pick up a copy. I'll mail anybody a copy who wants a copy. [00:24:00] Just tell me. I'll mail it to him and read it. Because that's what we swore. Yes, that's what we swore and oath. To support and defend. BB King: And that's, it's just not happening right now. But it all goes back to Satan is trying to distract us. Satan is trying to keep us from doing good. The Constitution is based on God's law, ultimately God's law. He gave us freedom. Galatians five, one is for freedom that Christ said is free, and we're not honoring that, and that's what our Constitution is all about and supposed to be honoring. BB King: So Sam Dr. I hope that that people, Sam, Sam, I hope that people hear our voices, our collective voice as service members who have been perse, cur, persecuted in the name of of Christ that they hear us, that they see that we're not vindictive or bitter or even angry. Hopefully not for long periods of time if we suffer from that at all, and that we're [00:25:00] willing to forgive. BB King: But like the man who is sitting next to the healing pool and Luke, when Jesus healed him, he said, do you want be healed? And each individual person has to wanna be healed. We have to repent. We have forgive forgiven. And I don't see that happening right now with our military leadership. And it's sad. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There was some things that, that there were some things that you had mentioned that just made me kind of think in the Bible. So in Hebrew, and I learned this from a rabbi that I used to listen to quite a bit. He said that there's no word for hero and there's no, there's no hero in the Bible, really. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's one who was perfect and there was many who weren't. And there was many cycles of this trying to be like a new Adam and they fail and then trying to be like a new Adam and they fail. And it was finally Jesus who was the Adam that was perfect for us. [00:26:00] But you know, even King David, who was a man after God's own heart, did some horrible, horrible, evil, terrible things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's interesting that there is no idea of a hero because what that to show us is we're supposed to look at the whole picture. And you know, you and me, we've, I'll speak for myself more so, but I've done bad things. I've done, you know, lots of sin in the past. This is one area that thank the Lord that I was able to be given discernment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But this is for the people that have maybe been on the other side, been the opposition to us. You're not my enemy. It's, it's that unseen realm that is the enemy. And, and with that said the reason I'm saying this is the moment that you have clarity and discernment, you can ask for forgiveness. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's forgiveness at the foot of Christ, whether that's from forgiveness of, you know, pushing this on, people who that would've been illegal to push this on people, or you just got it and you feel bad and you feel like you've sinned against your [00:27:00] body and against God. There's forgiveness of the foot of Christ. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That doesn't mean that everything will go away and things will get better, and that you won't be responsible for your actions. You know, forgiveness comes after the conviction, right? You can't, you, you can't forgive someone unless they're, they're willing to, to say, you know, yes, I did it. And for my neighbor, for the guy who, who is a same rank of me, you know, this is specifically excluding the commanders it's easy to forgive them at least. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In some sense because they don't need to have justice extracted. But Jesus also said, blessed are those the hunger and thirst for righteousness and for justice. And, and we are all hunger hungering for, and, and we thirst for justice and for justice to be given out. Now, that doesn't mean I can't forgive someone after they've had justice served, but we need, and this is kind of going to an overarching method message that I'm gonna be help sharing through the Truth for Health Foundation, is that we need the [00:28:00] people to have an outcry for justice from, from the military leaders that there's investigations done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That if there were criminal, if there were things that were done criminally, that those criminals are charged. We determine that because I guarantee you, there has been done things that have been done criminally. It's, it's illegal and unlawful. And those are different terms. And I use them specifically to tell a service member, to wear a mask, to tell a service member, to take a PCR test, to tell a service member, you have to get this experimental d o d shot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I say, do o d shot because it's not approved by the fda. BB King: Yeah, you're a hundred percent right. There has to be justice. And you know, our, our country thrives on liberty and justice. And, and we see that's biblical also. And I think that it's important, and I tried to explain this to one of our mutual friends in a radio show the other day about [00:29:00] liberty and justice and how they go hand in hand. BB King: And he came back with a, with a great argument actually, which is the folks that are. They're super pro shot and that want me to get the shot to protect public health. They are looking for liberty. They're looking for their liberty to stay healthy. That's kind of their argument. But, but my argument is, and I, and I believe it's the truth, and I don't think it's just my argument for sake of argument is that, and this is kind of a, a crass way to say it, and so I wish I had a better example, but, you know, let's just use sexual revolution. BB King: For, for example, if the sexual revolution was for people who wanted freedom in that behavior, right? They didn't want to be forced to do that with everybody, if that makes sense. You can't take something and force it into my body or make me do something that I don't want [00:30:00] to do. But you can give somebody freedom not to have to do something. BB King: For example the shot or calling somebody by a pronoun that they want you to call them. That person has every right to desire to be called something. They can't make you call them that they have every desire. They have every right to desire to put something into their own body or to protect themselves however they see fit. BB King: But they cannot, they cannot push fear mongering and serum into my mind and body respectively because of their need, because that encroaches on my liberty. And that's where we need justice to second when my liberty has been violated. Then justice must step in. And that's also just natural law. When we do something like you and I are both sinners and I don't wanna speak for you either, but you know, I am. BB King: Paul said I'm the most wretched. Well, I, I feel like I am the most wretched and, and all of us need Jesus, and I [00:31:00] especially need Jesus. But the bottom line is that we have natural consequence in this world. And if you look at it biblically, we were all going to hell, but Jesus stepped in and he took that natural consequence for us. BB King: That doesn't necessarily happen in everyday life here, but it still follows the same paradigm. You choose an action or a behavior and there is a follow on consequence period that, and we can't have justice served until we have the follow on consequence. I would say though, that there's something so great about redemption because even if I have a follow on consequence of you know, jail time or losing rank or losing pay, those things sound so horrible. BB King: But at the end of the day, if I lost my rank, which by the way I did, and my pay and my healthcare, I have God, I have Christ in my heart. I'm [00:32:00] following exactly what God wants me to do. And I believe that God is using our stories to bring people to him, and ultimately, there is no better reward. So if we have to give up earthly treasures and possessions to gain eternal treasure, it's a no-brainer. BB King: And if we can somehow evangelize, for lack of a better word, and share the love of Christ. Forgiveness and the mercy, the, and the hope and the joy and the peace of Christ. Anyone throughout this process, if person accept Christ, BB King: the of my worldly possessions, I'm happiest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that's perfectly stated and, and I think it's also interesting how [00:33:00] throughout all history I am supposed to let, let's say if I'm providing for my family, I sacrifice myself. To provide for my family, which means I also sacrifice myself for my community. I'm the one that puts myself through the struggle so that I can, you know I don't look at money as a physical thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I look at money as a spiritual gift. And that same rabbi had explained this, that when you make other children of God happy and make their life better, you get reimbursed with a spiritual gift called money. Obviously there's some people that extract that money, and that's why Jesus said that the love of money is the root of all evil, cuz you'll squeeze the person to get, get their blood out or get their money out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But if I sacrifice myself and I work the long hours and I do the hard things, then, then my family does better, right? I don't throw my children out into the world and make them go work for me. And if I did, I would be a horrible father. But what society's making us do is they're saying, I'm scared to live, so [00:34:00] I'm going to force you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To sacrifice yourself for me, you need to get this shot so I can have my freedom. That is a complete inversion of what freedom truly is. You need to wear a mask to cover your mouth, to protect me. Well, that's symbolically, metaphorically. It's satanism because I'm making you cover your mouth, which takes away your humanity, which makes me not see you as a human, another, you know, child of God. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it's also sacrificing my neighbor rather than sacrificing myself. If you wanna wear a mask, fine, go ahead, wear one, but don't make me wear one. And Jesus didn't. We didn't say, Jesus, you need to be sacrificed. He, he volunteered, volunteered to come down and sacrifice his life so that we could have that relationship with the Father, as we did back in the garden where we, where man and woman were naked before God, naked before the law, and everyone was equal BB King: before we were deceived by the great deceiver, [00:35:00] right. BB King: Yep. Precisely. Absolutely. And when, when Christ gave himself, when he allowed people to crucify him brutally when he died, was buried and rose three days later, and then ultimately left us with the Holy Spirit. He didn't make us worship him. He didn't mandate that we fall at his feet and worship him. He gave us choice. BB King: So with something the most important thing, the most important thing, salvation isn't mandated. It's, it's almost laughable and ridiculous that people are mandating masks and PCR tests and shots, and it's, it's satanism. It's absolutely Satan.[00:36:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One other thing that I wanted to mention is you had talked about some civilian allergists that you went to, I believe you said you went to two different ones. Is that correct? BB King: Yeah. So you broke up just a little bit there. I did see two civilian allergists, but I missed the second part of the question. That was it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was just waiting for it to Oh the breakup to go away. You went to two different civilian allergists? I BB King: did, yes. I went to one in my hometown and then one in a different town in Texas. BB King: Two civilian allergists that did not know each other, had no relation. I just I wanted to, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: don't say the specific city, but was the second city north of, of your hometown. Okay, cuz I, I personally spoke to a, an Air Force physician who was in a city who was north of where you are and you know, one of the larger cities north of where you are. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this guy, you know, he, [00:37:00] he's, he's like, okay, I'm gonna go ahead and get the shot. The doctor got the shot and he's had no problems with it. But some, some Air Force service members came to him and said a few of them, I think it was like four or five of 'em, came to him and said, look, I may have an aller and I don't think this is you, I don't think you're one of these people, but this is this is to give an explanation of what happens to doctors who, who do the right thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So he sent them to potentially the same allergist cuz this guy was stationed in different city than you are. He's active duty. And he sent them to the local allergist and the allergist sent back. So this is a family medicine doctor. So kind of a we're a subspecialty, but we're thought of more as a, as a generalist. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it's technically a subspecialty or a specialty. And he sent them to a subspecialist, an allergist, and the allergist said, yes, the, this, this airmen or air woman may have an allergy to this by these tests that I've done. Here's an exemption so that they don't get it. Cuz they could have terrible anaphylaxis and it could kill them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So the family medicine doc, the Air Force doc did what he was [00:38:00] supposed to do legally and his responsibility and what's right. He took that letter, he put it in their medical chart. He was suspended for putting that in their medical chart. Can you imagine being suspended for a subspecialist opinion? I'm a family medicine pH, I'm a board certified family medicine physician. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: My opinion is not more have more weight than a subspecialist. Now, I may disagree with them at times and I may send into another subspecialist, but I'm not to say, you know, I'm not gonna even put that in their chart because, That could be wrong. No, it's my legal duty to put their entire medic, complete medical record in their medical chart. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But yet he was suspended by the Air Force because he did that. And it's not like he was a, a disbeliever, like, like I'm been labeled with it's interesting believer, right? That's, that's biblical language there. Religious language, but I'm not a denier of science. Also more religious language. But he was suspended from his work because he did what was right and it protected the patient. BB King: So I have a [00:39:00] story along these lines. One of the medical exemptions, the, the final medical exemption that I submitted, I submitted it via the aeromedical squadron that at, at the station where I, my final station and Basically, a lieutenant colonel, nurse practitioner, I believe, received the exemption request and called my cell phone and we had a, a talk and, and she basically was like, listen, yeah, you need to see an Air Force allergist, so we're, I'm gonna give you a 30 day exemption so that we can get you in with the Air Force allergist, which oddly they wanted me to fly across the country. BB King: I, I'm, I, I couldn't make this up if I tried. They wanted me to fly a, across the country to a base in a different state, a far away state to go see a specific allergist, I guess, that they had a handshake deal with. I'm not sure. [00:40:00] Instead of literally driving 11 minutes to the largest hospital, one of the largest hospitals in all of d o d from my house, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: A flagship hospital, what we would call the ivory tower of, of facilities. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, they didn't have anyone there that was on the tape. BB King: I dunno, I guess they didn't, I dunno. But so I agreed. I said, okay. And they weren't even gonna pay. I was, I was on no points, no pay at that point. So I was going fly myself to a base and who knows if my common access card would've allowed me on the base at that point, but to a base, to, oh, have a, an Air Force allergist tell me whether or not I actually had these allergies. BB King: Now this is where it gets really insane. So I get the email stating that I have a 30 day waiver or exemption to go get this done. And . And I said, okay. I emailed back, I talked to her on the phone [00:41:00] again. She called me back. And I'm thinking it was like a day later, I'm guessing. If memory serves, she calls me back and she says I just talked to my commander and your commander and I'm gonna have to revoke the exemption. BB King: So you don't have a 30 day exemption. And I'm not sure about you even visiting. I guess you'll just have to talk to the allergist at that Air Force base. Just she had the physician, the, the, the medical practitioner had been overruled by a higher ranking officer in my chain of command, essentially. BB King: It's not unusual. So Yeah, it, my, my medical, my 30 day medical exception disappeared. And within, I'm, I'm thinking within a week at that point, I'd have to go back and look at my notes, but I received the email that said you're reprimanded and you're gone. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, wow. [00:42:00] And, and if I can remember to put it in here, I'll put the, the screenshot that I took of it, of, of this colonel who works in Headquarters Command. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And she put on a Facebook, it's a closed Facebook group, so it's army doctors only, and it's, you know, army, some army civilians who used to be active duty Army. But they're all doctors and it's a closed group, and she put on there I thought we weren't giving, let me try and paraphrase this and I'll see if I can put the picture up here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But basically we weren't, we were told we're not giving any exemptions. This is a colonel who works in the headquarters department. And so I mean, that, that, that's a huge, huge issue. Right. I hope that becomes evidence someday as, as these people get go before boards and, and courts marshal to find out if crimes were committed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz I would assume that if, if you have a predetermined judgment before someone submits anything, then that would probably be a crime. At least, I would guess it would be. Yeah. BB King: I have, I have multiple eyewitnesses or [00:43:00] people that can testify to the fact that the, my chain of command verbally told me that they did not believe from the meetings that they have had, they did not believe that accommodations or exemptions would be granted. BB King: And I mean, that's just, it's mind blowing. It Absolutely, it's absolutely mind blowing. And the thing that's more. Troubling is that these people, these higher ranking people than me, did not see this for what it is. It's, it's unconstitutional. It's inhumane. It's illegal. It's unlawful. Why, why did nobody stand up and say, no? BB King: Why are there only a few of us? I mean, I know why people don't wanna lose their income. They don't wanna lose, they have a massive fear of discomfort. I, I understand that. And, and [00:44:00] my heart goes out to people who ended up caving and got the shot against their will because they didn't know how to feed their family otherwise, I'm not judging them. BB King: Who I'm judging is the commanders. The G series orders, the perpetrators commanders. Who allowed this to happen? Somebody somewhere in the chain of command should have up channeled to the Secretary of Defense, to the bureaucratic appointed, politically appointed individuals who mandated this. Somebody should have said, this cannot happen. BB King: We must preserve support and defend the Constitution and all the laws that come from it via the, the legislative powers that are derived and given from that document, from that contract, the Constitution. And it didn't happen. And in, in, in, you know, in [00:45:00] 14 months, in a year, in a few months time, everything that I had dedicated my adult life to had become an abarition, like a, something that I wasn't sure if it was. BB King: Even in existence, did I really take an oath? Is the oath really what I thought it was? Do human rights really matter? What is the Air Force all about? I mean, the questions swirling around in my mind. It's like waking up in the Truman Show or getting unplugged from the Matrix. It, it was just almost debilitating for a few weeks until until I pushed through. BB King: Not that I questioned my decision ever. I just was shocked at reality. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's moments like this that we, it's, these are the reasons why we take the oath to defend the Constitution. It's easy to defend the Constitution when everyone's doing it. It's [00:46:00] easy to, to say, yeah, freedom of speech. We can say whatever you want. When it's speech you agree with. It's important, it's the most important to say it and, and to stand by those ideals when it's hard to speak when it's speech you don't agree with. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you know, it's almost easier when someone's shooting a gun at you because you know that's the bad guy. He's got a gun pointed at you. But what if that instead of a gun, it's, it's an eagle, right? I believe you're familiar with I got in trouble for putting a picture up of the Secretary of Defense and it had a red circle, another red circle, and then it had a single slash that looked like a syringe. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they said that, oh, it looks like crosshairs. And I said, Hmm. When does a line through something mean crosshairs? It usually means do not enter or not, not allowed. BB King: Don't smoke . That's the one that Dr. Sam Sigoloff: comes to mind, but it's Yeah, , but it, but if there was a, a syringe. Am I threatening? I was, you know, allegedly threatening the Secretary of Defense. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Was I allegedly threatening him with a syringe [00:47:00] because he's actually threatened me and every service member with a syringe and what's inside. BB King: That's right. That's right. Yes. I am very familiar with the photo of which you speak, and, and I think it's, I think it's a fantastic way to highlight the criminal, criminal behavior that is coming outta these DD offices. BB King: And, and I also think that it's a great way to highlight to our representatives, the people that we've elected, not the people that we're appointed, but the people that we've elected into office, how we can highlight to them that the people who have chosen security and comfort and privilege over selfless sacrifice to uphold their oath. BB King: To the Constitution. Those people who failed to uphold their oath, who are oath breakers, they cannot be confirmed into the next [00:48:00] rank. They cannot be given more rank and privilege and title. We have got to stop that. And, and we, and, and our representatives need to make sure that when they get the list for promotion one stars to two stars, two stars to three stars, that they do not. BB King: The Senate does not confirm them if they had anything to do with this illegal mandate and unlawful orders. And the American people need to reach out to their representatives, not only to support acts that reinstate those people that gave everything to support and defend the constitution. , but also to let the Congress know we cannot confirm these people who are obviously willing to trade money and you know, accolades and title and, and, and privilege for freedom.[00:49:00] BB King: It's, it's unsatisfactory and it has to stop. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I agree completely. But the, the, the issue that I see with that is who is there left to run the military as every flag officer, every admiral, every general, every single one of them, like has gone along with this, which I, I don't know of a single active duty flag officer that which includes generals and admirals that has gone against this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, they've been some that, there's rumors that they were forced out and now they're against it, but have the bravery to do it. Why you're in, because you can actually change things. All we need is one general with court martial authority, convening authority, and we can start military tribunals today. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So if you're that general and, and you're sickened and disgusted with what's going on, and you have court martialing authority, reach out to me and I'll get you in touch with lawyers that will teach you how to do that because [00:50:00] you have the authority to stop this massacre of the military today. And if you don't believe me, go back and listen to episode 33 where I talk about the bio weapon series in the first part of the bio weapon series where I talk about how this bio weapon, the shot, not, not the virus, although the idea of this, this illness may is, may have likely been developed in China as well, but the shot itself was developed in part by China. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If that sickens you and disgusted you, then please reach out to me by email at after hours 1790 one.com. That's after hours 1790 one.com. And I'll get you in touch with lawyers that I know that can help you figure out how to start these tribunals, these military tribunals to get justice. But then the next question is, who will run our military when we don't promote any of these people, when we kick them all out? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because I have no desire to ever go back to allow anyone to have power over me in the way that they have. And I'm sure, I don't wanna speak for you, but I would imagine you're [00:51:00] in a similar boat. BB King: I do feel very similarly, but I would say that there are people and, and I think if you and I were called to serve in that capacity, I, and it was to support and defend the constitution, I believe that we would sacrifice self and potentially jump back in the pool and, and try to help correct. BB King: Our trajectory as a military in a country. But here we go again with the fear mongering, which is straight from the enemy. Straight from Satan. Number one, we, we might have to get rid of every flag officer. We might have to retire them or demote them or that that might be the case. And to be fearful to say that a major or a colonel can't step into the role that a general had is, in my opinion, it's just, it's foolishness because there are extremely capable majors and captains and lieutenant colonels and [00:52:00] ful, bird colonels that have the ability to do that. BB King: And we are, we are, we are spreading ballies If we're saying that, that that's not the case. It's, and I would say people more loyal to the Constitution that are. Of lower. Right? Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And might have a better job at doing. Yes. Might be able to do a better job at doing it. Yes. Cause they're not bought into that, that political system. BB King: Absolutely. Absolutely. And then secondly, I would say that we historically as a country, have never had so many flag officers in our ranks. It has become an entitlement program. Carrots on a stick that you could throw something and hit a flag officer in 2023. It's unbelievable. So look back in history, everybody who's listening, look back in history, look at World War I [00:53:00] look at previous decades and look at how many flag officers we've had. BB King: And on the same token, look at. Heroic general officers that led us in the past and look at their ribbon racks versus the ribbon racks of those general officers and lower ranking people. Today it is like candy and people just want the bling. They want the flash, they want the, they want the rank. BB King: And, and, and, and, and Satan has figured out, and he's used this tactic again and again and again. He's not original at all, but in his playbook. But he's figured out the more stuff I can throw at people, the more carrots on a stick I can dangle, the more I can distract them. And the more I can lead them into this direction, the less they're able to see right and wrong. BB King: They have blinders. and they rationalize their decisions and their, their actions. And that's what's happened to our military. And so of course you're gonna grow the pool of [00:54:00] people that are loyal to you, Satan, of course, you're gonna continue developing, printing more money you know, creating more carrots on sticks so that we can have a group of people who's more loyal and who, who will obey an unlawful mandate, which is exactly what we've had. BB King: Let's shrink the flag officer force. Let's stop promoting these people who are willing to do anything regardless of the legality or, or not even the legality, but the, the absolute I mean, it's just, it's. Inhumane is what it's what they've done to people and, and hence forth. You see all the people who are mass exodus from the military and none of our children and our children's friends want to join because they've seen how we've been treated in, in social media like your show and numerous other shows and just short snippets on TikTok. BB King: I mean, [00:55:00] the stuff my kids show me about people that have been thrown out of the military and treated poorly on TikTok. It's on, on Twitter, on truths it on Telegram. It's everywhere. And these kids are so savvy. They teach me how to use these digital devices. So of course they're getting this information and, and our military and our country is suffering because of it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When as we speak. There's a, I believe it's a Lance Corporal in Japan, who I believe. Was arrested. I don't know. I haven't heard much of the story lately cuz they're keeping it very hush, hush. But she refused the shot. And I believe they just arrested her and put her in confinement. And I believe she's not having contact with the outside world or at least not much contact. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's what I've heard. Yeah. You may, yeah. It's, it's hard to get details on this because she's a stranger in a strange land. She doesn't have family there. And when you get thrown in jail and you don't have phone or access to a phone, well you just [00:56:00] disappear. Yeah. I didn't think we were into disappearing people, but seems like we might be. BB King: It sure does. But that story is getting out and the more time goes by, the more information will be on that story. And again, the more the next generation. We'll see how Lieutenant Lance Corporal Catherine Arnette, who is the individual of what with whom you speak, how she was treated, and, and again, a detriment. BB King: Thank you. Her name escape me. Yeah. Detriment to our. To our military and to our country. It's, something's got to happen and we need the American people to reach out to their representatives at this, at the local state and the national level to let them know that this is not okay and the action must be taken. BB King: Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much for sharing your story. I think that is a perfect note to, to stop on. I truly appreciate your time. [00:57:00] I wanna be respectful of your time as well. And is there anything else that you wanna leave us with? BB King: I don't think so, except for when people repent and ask for forgiveness, it's there and it's granted that's what this whole life is about, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What we do in this world is not temporary, but it's eternal. Sure. Because it, it determines what happens to us and, and to those around us. And, and so the little decisions we make aren't just me, Neil, they have eternal importance. Amen. And, and there's always redemption and forgiveness at the cross amen. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, Brandy. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, man. It's been a true pleasure talking with you. BB King: Likewise. I really appreciate the opportunity and, and all you do, God bless you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there [00:58:00] due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

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Dr Robert Chandler === Nurse Kelly: [00:00:00] Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hey, well thanks for joining me again. I want to give a special shout out and thank you to all my Patreon subscribers. We've got Shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at the Self-Made 2020 level. We have the Pandemic Reprimand, that's $17 and 76 cents a month. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we have Tide Reid. We have Charles Allen, we have Tinfoil, and that's obviously a screen name. Stanley Williams, doctor Anna Mahaka Frank Dip. We have a self-made $10 level with Kevin aos. We have the refined, not burned at $5 with Linda Emme [00:01:00] Joe, pat and Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, and then the courage is contagious. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's $1 a month with Amanda. Jay Spitz, nasty. And Darrel, thank you so much. For, for helping support me. It truly means the world. It means more than the dollars than than you can ever imagine. The guests that I have today, I have a pleasure of introducing Dr. Robert Chandler. Now, Dr. Chandler is a retired orthopedic surgeon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So he has had some more time than the rest of us to sit around and look deep into this, this information that we're about to go over here. Now, he's been working with Daily Clout. He's been with Team Five and now working with Team three on decoding all this information and figure out what, what are the safety signals that we're seeing now, sir, thank you so much for com coming on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Please call me Sam throughout this cuz it's just easier. Dr. Robert Chandler: Will do. . So where do you wanna start first? Well, I I think probably where we usually start trying to understand disease [00:02:00] processes, which is the pathology and the histopathology. Just, just as little background pathology is, is understanding how disease impacts cells and tissues. Dr. Robert Chandler: And histopathology is looking at the cellular level. And recently Dr. Burkhart, who is a pathologist, retired pathologist in Germany began receiving this was in 2021, I believe. Consultation cases, forensic consultation cases brought to him by family members who had lost loved ones and had had autopsies performed on the deceased loved ones, but were not satisfied with the results of the autopsy. Dr. Robert Chandler: There was something unusual about the cases that drove them to, to Juan Autopsy. But then when the autopsy was completed, most of the time they didn't have a cause of death. Sometimes they said natural causes, to which Dr. [00:03:00] Burkhart said, I, I don't know what a natural cause is. We need to dig deeper, which is what he did. Dr. Robert Chandler: He put together a group of pathologists beginning with a faculty member at the University of Hanover in Northern Germany. And now he has a group of 10 pathologists physicists, biologist, and they're trying to get to the bottom of what these strange new diseases are. He first presented the results of 30 autopsies plus three biopsies December of 2021. Dr. Robert Chandler: He repeated it in February of 22. And I took that information cleaned up the voice transcribed script and feathered in the 60 some odd photo micrographs. And basically what he's done is outline the pathologic basis of vaccine disease. And he's just recently at a meeting in Stockholm [00:04:00] updated the series with now a hundred autopsies in 20 biopsies, which is probably the world's biggest study of underlying pathology to the harm's caused by these vaccines. Dr. Robert Chandler: And the second lecture or the second lecture series. I've now prepared in a text form, which should be available today or tomorrow on daily cloud. So you'll have a hundred page document with about 150 photo micrographs of histopathology from people that were being investigated as having died from vaccine related etiology or cause, which he determined to be present in about 80% of the cases he's looked at. Dr. Robert Chandler: And I think that's a good place to, to begin trying to understand what these products are actually doing in the human body. Now, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: sir, when you say vaccines [00:05:00] you're referring to specifically only the, the covid shots? Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, I should have clarified that the, the term vaccine we try to avoid, it's really gene therapy. Dr. Robert Chandler: And what doc Dr. Berkhart found was all four manufacturers producing similar kinds of complications, whether it's a vectored or it's a mRNA product. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I want to drive anyone's attention to what, what you just mentioned is how you, you're using an nomenclature that everyone knows. So we know. So it's a familiar language, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So we say vaccine, but in the professional sense, he doesn't use the word vaccine, neither do I, because it's not a vaccine, it is a gene therapy. And I actually got a I was allegedly ordered and there was a command 15 six investigation against me to see if I disobeyed a direct order to not call it a gene therapy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, . You can't tell me what to say and what not to say. It's a first amendment right, and gene therapy is the best explanation for what this type of shot is. But I, I just wanna draw attention to that because I [00:06:00] think that's an important point that when to help you discern, help a listener and the viewer discern that when there's someone who's talking and they're not willing to call it a gene therapy or they're not willing to use other nomenclature that I've discussed then maybe there, there could be two things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They could be, they, they're still living in this kind of cloud or they have other influencing factors. Dr. Robert Chandler: Well, I, I, I think this whole thing about this focus on definitions and words, it's, it can be distracting. Clearly these products have a different mechanism of action, what you call it the nomenclature. Dr. Robert Chandler: We, we can argue about that, but I don't, I don't think we can argue about the substance of the issue that you have a genetic code that's injected into your body. It commandeers your body's cellular machinery to produce a foreign protein. So that is gene [00:07:00] therapy. It's not a traditional vaccine. Dr. Robert Chandler: Traditional vaccines generally came in two forms. One was a killed virus, and the second was attenuated virus. And that constitutes all prior to these products, the nature of vaccinations. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that definition that you just gave of gene therapy that was actually defined by the FDA in 2018. So it's not something new that we've changed, it's something that they've changed the definition of vaccine, not the definition of gene therapy, which is important. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And thank you for, for discussing that point. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, and, and it has implications too because the approval process varies according to whether you're dealing with a gene product or a traditional vaccine with the gene products being much more detailed and, and exhaustive. And there's a lot we can't deal with in terms [00:08:00] of motivations and why people did things. Dr. Robert Chandler: But it certainly bypassed some of the safety mechanisms involved with product development. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sorry for, sorry for that destruction. I just think they're really good points that, that you're bringing up. Dr. Robert Chandler: I don't know if it was you or me, , it's a new platform, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but what were some of the things they were seeing in the autopsies that you've dove headfirst into? Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, it's, it's a very intense experience and let me just give your, your listeners and, and viewers a a little assistance. The, the papers that I've put out are available on my sub and it's free. Dr. Robert Chandler: It's not meant to be fundraising. This is pure information. So my sub is just Robert Chandler dot.com and you'll find the first edition of the Burkhart series [00:09:00] on that. It's also part of the Daily Clout Library daily clout.io and under the Pfizer documents analysis. And you'll see, I think we're up to 57 reports, and this is number 56. Dr. Robert Chandler: And what, what encourages the reader listener, viewer to to how, how to approach this as a visual experience. It's not like reading a chapter in a book or an article on magazine or newspaper or even something you might see online. Now this is visual and in that first paper there's some 60 photo micrographs. Dr. Robert Chandler: Have a look, get a, get a sense of the gestalt. I've embedded a tool called histology guide.com, where you can pull up images of normal tissues if you want to compare and go through the slides. And you'll [00:10:00] see that Dr. Burkhart and his group in Germany have done a very nice job of identifying specific forms of pathology associated with these genetic therapies. Dr. Robert Chandler: Let just outline some of them. One of the fundamental things that happens when this materials inject in your body is you start making foreign proteins. And those proteins sometimes called spike, and it seems like there's a group of them. It's not just one. Have a propensity to the cell lining of blood vessels. Dr. Robert Chandler: And this is critical because blood vessels go through your whole body, so you, you can have involvement of many different organs. In some of the cases, Dr. Burkhart and his group looked at had up to five organ systems involved, and it's the vascular system that gives [00:11:00] access and entry of the spike TR protein that's produced by the mRNA that's injected along with the, the nanoparticles in, in this gene therapy. Dr. Robert Chandler: And then the body starts to attack those spike proteins and if they're affixed to the wall of a vessel or if they're in an organ. You start seeing cellular accumulations that aren't normally present. Tissues, lymphocytes, in some cases, eosinophils, and associated with that process of infiltrating these foreign proteins. Dr. Robert Chandler: You have damage to normal structures and the process is generalized, but the organ damage can be specific, so you can have conditions related to the heart, to the brain and pick the organs. I, I went through this slide deck and I found 12 different organs that were involved. So the manifestations are quite variable and could be [00:12:00] anything from autoimmune, which is the body attacking itself to disorders of blood both. Dr. Robert Chandler: Excessive clotting, coagulopathy or excessive bleeding. And there's also deposition disease sometimes called amyloidosis. Foreign proteins sometimes cannot be broken down by the body and start accumulating in, in tissues. There's some idea that Alzheimer's disease, for instance, is caused by deposition of foreign proteins. Dr. Robert Chandler: And Dr. Bur berkhart is clearly identified amyloid like proteins aggregating in the tissues. One of the final mechanisms that's particularly disturbing is neoplasia. Neoplasia is the formation of new tissue. It can be benign, it can be malignant, and Some of the malignancies are, are very disturbing. Dr. Robert Chandler: They can be multicentric primaries, meaning you don't just see cancer [00:13:00] in one cell type, but you may have multiple including blood cells like in lymphoma. And that is not perfectly delineated right now, but there is data accruing that suggests that these therapies are associated with particularly aggressive form of neoplasia, malignant neoplasia. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that, that's interesting because a couple of the things that you've recently mentioned, so the clots and the cancers, and I, I really wanna draw attention to usually when you, when a person, let's say before 2019 we'll go back to 2018, just to have a wide, wide margins, if you will. . Yeah. But if we go back to 2018 and we look at cancer, when someone was developed cancer, let's say you found a metastasis far away, you could reasonably assume that that was the only type of cancer that you didn't have multiple different primaries. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this idea of having multiple different primaries is very unusual. Typically, you get one type of cancer, not [00:14:00] multiple types of cancer in the same organ or in various parts of the body. And a metastasis was usually not always, you couldn't hang your hat on it, but you could usually say, yeah, that's probably from the primary that's over here, but we have to get a piece of the primary piece of the metastasis and make sure they're the same. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But now we're getting nets and primaries, and they're, they're different because it's from a different primary, which is mind blowing. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah. How, how do you treat multiple simultaneous cancers that are aggressive? And I, I, I think it's something we need to start Thinking about in a fundamental way. And, and I think that's the significance also of Dr. Dr. Robert Chandler: Burkhart's work is autopsy histopathology molecular analysis can help establish causation, which is important in, in many other respects, but it also starts pointing the way to treatment. And one of the encouraging thing that's happening even in this climate of censorship, and [00:15:00] my God, my God, you've gone through incredible experience. Dr. Robert Chandler: Try, trying to speak your mind. And science and medicine are about debate and resolution. Sometimes it takes years. To, to get to a conclusion, but we can't afford to put this off the, these medical maladies associated with this treatment. We just need to jump on this and use the pathologic basis of the disease to start designing treatment. Dr. Robert Chandler: So let me give you an example of that. For instance there, there are some medications, some, some drugs that come from other uses that look like they can disable the spike protein which be terrific because some people don't seem to be able to shut down this manufacturing of spike, at least for six months. Dr. Robert Chandler: Dr. Berkhart now has a case that showed up at eight months. [00:16:00] And shutting down spike by basically recycling it with one of these products can, can help relieve that set of illnesses that, that flow from this Mr. mRNA lmp set of products. Yeah. And Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I wanna talk about the clots and then go back to the rna, but the, the clots that we've been seeing with these, have y'all have y'all had any slides of, of clots to look at them under the microscope? Dr. Robert Chandler: Yes. And not the first Burt series, but the, the second one that's should be up on daily clout today or tomorrow. Amy is working hard. There's 106 images. The file is 479 megabytes. So it's richly illustrated. She has to hand process each one of those images to get it up, but we want the public to be able to jump [00:17:00] into this material and understand what we're facing as a society and, and as a species. Dr. Robert Chandler: There's over 5 billion people that have this product in their body. I think this is something we've gotta get past the censorship and, and all of this kind of stuff and start working together on some solutions. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, because one thing I'd be very interested in is seeing the these fibrous clots under a microscope and compared those to the, the current jelly clots or the fat clots that we have seen in the past. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that kind of ties into an episode that I did couple episodes back with Tom Halan and how he, he reached out to some embalmers to find, just to do a survey to see if they've been seeing these new fibrous clot. Dr. Robert Chandler: Well in, in the second set of berkhart documents. There, there is some, some work that he's done on that. Dr. Robert Chandler: And, and it's quite informative. This does not appear to be the standard fibrin clock that we're accustomed to [00:18:00] it. It may be chemically different and, and mechanically different. So it may require different treatments. First we have to recognize it. We have to diagnose it before it gets to prolong. Dr. Robert Chandler: But it appears that this material which could be amyloid and, and Dr. Burkhart's second set of. And, and the hundred six I'm talking about are all, all new. So we've got a, a library now of 150 histopathology. It's an excellent basis to understand how this set of diseases functions. He, he starts examining some of that clot material, and it looks like there's Ms. Dr. Robert Chandler: Amyloid these abnormal proteins that are part of that they call it clots, but I'm not sure that nomenclature's gonna stick. There, there's also debris Call it debris. It's the chemicals that surround the messenger rna, the lipid nanoparticles, which have some chemicals that look like they aggregate in vessels.[00:19:00] Dr. Robert Chandler: So it's not just the mRNA, but it's the lipid nanoparticles look like they have an influence in disease states and, and could possibly, I have a role in altering the clotting mechanism and, and the nature of the clot. There's an electron microscopy of lipid, nanoparticle induced abnormal clots, and it just looks different structurally. Dr. Robert Chandler: It to me, as an orthopedic surgeon, I, I would wanna know if there's collagen in that material or collagen like substance that would be resistant to traditional vascular degradation processes that clear clots from your blood system and maybe that these aggregations are going to require different form of treatment and, and not, Dr. Robert Chandler: well, I, I just wanted to finish and say traditional form of treatments would be things like [00:20:00] using heparin which yeah. Dr. Robert Chandler: Tpa streptokinase, things of that sort. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In, in your experience being a orthopedic surgeon, right? Because to give people little ideas, you usually have to put a tourniquet on someone's extremity before you do a total joint. In that way, all the blood's cut off. One thing that, that you never wanna see is a, a deep vein thrombosis which would be a clot in a vein, but in all your years of practice prior to 2018, again, we're getting those wide margins. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Had you ever seen a clot in a artery? Dr. Robert Chandler: Rarely. Most of that work would be done by vascular surgeons and, and clots coming from a venous side or, or more problematic for orthopedic surgeons as a complication for hip replacement. As you pointed out not so much with the tourniquet and maybe what people don't understand. Is that we routinely use tourniquets in orthopedic surgery. Dr. Robert Chandler: That gives us a bloodless field so that we can go in and rearrange [00:21:00] structures and try to repair things without having to deal with bleeding that's associated. So we commonly will inflate a tourniquet to 200, 2 50 millimeters of mercury for up to two hours. And that's probably a concept that's a little foreign to people operating in a bloodless field because of a tourniquet. Dr. Robert Chandler: You know, it's just doesn't seem right, but we do it all the time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then one other thing that I wanted to mention is the rna. You had mentioned that y'all have measured them at, I think as you said, six and eight months. Have you read anything about the modified mRNA where they're not using native type of rna, but they're, they're. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're modifying the nucleic acid so that it doesn't get broken down by your body. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yes. You know, we, we were told that this and it's actually in the Pfizer document confidential document, 2.4, where they say this mRNA is broken down in 1224 hours. Normal degradative [00:22:00] processes, which is really strange because in the same document, 2.4 they have documentation, then it goes on for the duration of the animal study, which was 48 hours. Dr. Robert Chandler: And it was still circulating. In fact, it was, and many Oregon systems was still accumulating on an ascending pattern. It was or still rising so clearly it, it exceeded what the designers told the public that this stuff would be in your body and gone. And then you just have the benefit from the antibodies produced in the cellular immunity. Dr. Robert Chandler: It turns out in reality, they've hardened this molecule. They've hardened it to degradation. It's got a stealth aspect so it can come into your body undetected. And in order to do that, they created an artificial nucleus side. Now, I think your audience may know [00:23:00] that mRNA is built of a series of four molecules that are linked together on a phosphorus backbone, kind of like a string of pearls, but one of those four molecules, the nucleosides or nucleotides, if it's built into the chain, one of those nucleotides is synthetic. Dr. Robert Chandler: It's never been in the human body, and it's one in methyl pseudo uridine. And what's the implications of that? Are I, I'm still scratching my head over what happens if you take a computer code, for instance, which is what mRNA and DNA really consists of. It's a code that programs yourselves. And you introduce an artificial string of code that you don't know exactly what it does other than it's meant to prolong the existence of the mri, which it does quite well.[00:24:00] Dr. Robert Chandler: And studies that go out as far as 60 days find that this mRNA is still working in cells producing spike protein. So this modification just needed more analysis to, to understand the, what we call the pharmacokinetics, what happens to it, toxicity additional studies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and that's one thing that if Sherman, the listeners and viewers have, have noticed this, that Dr. Malone, yes. He, he claims to have, he, he says that he's the one, the inventor and has a lot of patents for mRNA. But that was for messenger RNA mRNA, not this kind of pseudo mRNA, which is actually MOD rna. When you look at the Pfizer documents, it says mRNA has a asterisk next to it. You look at the bottom of the page and it says modified. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they modify the nucle nucleic acid Dr. Robert Chandler: and, and modified it to, to last to be durable. So on the one hand, they're telling us, well, it's gonna be de degraded naturally, but they've engineered the product not to be [00:25:00] degraded. Figure that one out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And have you been able to find, or have you looked at the lipid nanoparticle as a toxic toxic to human bodies type of substance? Dr. Robert Chandler: Yes. The, there's big question is to what's actually in these bottles and there's been no detailed analysis. We, we can look and, and let's say the document 2.4, for instance, in the Pfizer confidential documents, they list the contents. In addition to the mRNA there's a number of other elements. Dr. Robert Chandler: One is polyethylene glycol, which has an allergic profile. It can cause particularly severe form of allergy called anaphylaxis. But there's another product that's cryptically referred to as a L c dash 3 0 3 15. And I tried to find out about that. And [00:26:00] I just couldn't get very far in terms of its biocompatibility aspects. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what's interesting about alc 0 3 15 and there's another a L c zero, I can't remember the name at the moment, 1 59. And, and there's a third lipid nanoparticle that's also in Pfizer. And that was the basis for the medical exemption that I was writing for service members that wanted to be exempt from getting this shot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because if you look up the safety data sheets on those three products the ALC ones, those say they're not validated for medical use. And that all safety ends up is the responsibility of the end user. And here we are injecting it into people. And then the DSPC or dsp, whichever one it was that one says it's not validated for veterinary use, but here we are injecting it into people. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah. with classified toxicology. He seemed reckless, very reckless . Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, Sam, my background as a surgeon, [00:27:00] vaccines were of little interest in, in fact, I, I took everyone I could get. I had three friends that died from getting hepatitis in the operating room. Yeah. So gee, I was anything but an anti-vaxxer and it wasn't until I had Moderna two and developed a fever 104 degrees. Dr. Robert Chandler: I said, wait a minute. , this, this isn't, there's something wrong here. Which was one of the motivations for me to dig into this and, and being retired and having a background in molecular genetics. A little bit strange for orthopedic surgeon, but I studied biology at Stanford and had two Nobel laureates as professors molecular genetics Nobel Prize winners. Dr. Robert Chandler: Certainly the field has evolved massively since that time, but I'm not, not intimidated by this stuff, and I, I'll dive in and look at it. So that's kind of how I got into this and when this set of documents was released. And, and thanks to Aaron Siri at ican for getting these documents out. Dr. Robert Chandler: And started [00:28:00] looking at it, I said, whoa, I can't, I actually can't believe this has happened. You know, I, I came through medicine at a time when the C d C and the FDA were on a pedestal journals like Lance at New England Journal. It, it was gospel and it was the guiding light in, in medicine. And once I started looking into it, I, it's more than just a vaccine issue. Dr. Robert Chandler: It's what's happened to medicine and science. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I think one thing is if, if you weren't able, if you didn't have the time, which most of us doctors weren't, especially as a surgeon, you're spending your time doing work with your hands, not, not reading the stuff that you need, that the medicine that's not that important to you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And as a family med doc, I was swamp seeing patients. And so never have time to look into any of this stuff. And then now that we have all this time on our hands and there's this huge, just glaring hypocrisy and just Evilness, I don't really have a better word to describe it of what's going on in these organizations. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Then you're like, well, let me look back and let me read more about everything that I thought I ever [00:29:00] knew, like statins and I mean, just everything. Dr. Robert Chandler: That's right. Yes. And, and I think we need to do that. And I've suggested at Daily Clout now that they have these teams that are functioning. You know, I was in academic medicine for a while and actually have more resources at Daily Clout than I had at a major university. Dr. Robert Chandler: If I want some statistics done I can fire that off. Right now, one of my colleagues is reviewing the histology because of what I've tried to do with the Burkhart two, if you will, is to guide the eye a little bit by circling and putting arrows. So people are, are drawn to the pathology that's meant to be illustrated. Dr. Robert Chandler: And Dr. Flowers is part of my group part of my team here. He's going through to make sure that, that we're showing things clearly and accurately, which, which is pretty incredible. And it gets done fast. We, we can crank these things out have each other, review them, [00:30:00] critique them, modify them in a relatively short period of time. Dr. Robert Chandler: And yes, the practicing physician can't do this. I'll spend 50, 7500 hours on one article. The Shema paper that came out originally in April of 21 on pregnancy. I looked at it I've done peer review for 30 years. So I, I said, I'll do a peer review on this. So I started getting into it. I said, this does, it's not just peer, well, it's not, yeah, it's not just peer review. Dr. Robert Chandler: I did a second follow up article, which I call forensic analysis which is almost impossible to read. Because of the machinations and obfuscation. And it's up on my, again, it's very difficult to read. I doubt if people get through it, but for a practicing physician to dissect that paper, good luck. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I'm, I'm not the smartest man in the room, [00:31:00] but I had to go over that about four or five times and call up an ob gyn and sit there on the phone and talk with her and, okay. Explain this to me one more time, how you did this. So, so they actually just gave the wrong denominator to make it look like it's like a 10% pregnancy loss, when really it's an 82 and a or 81 point a half percent pregnancy loss rate. It's, Dr. Robert Chandler: well, Sam, let, let me tell you what I, and again, I spent a lot of time on this in the first article, which was meant to be a peer review. I go into that calculation in great detail, and my conclusion is there's no numbers you can generate from this report, so that with all the resources, the federal government, 14 billion budget, they had no useful data in 2021 regarding pregnant women, which is astounding given there was no preclinical testing in pregnancy. Dr. Robert Chandler: And I, I [00:32:00] just, I almost couldn't believe it. And I, I go through all of those machinations and steps with that publication. And, and I think we've put the two documents together. It's well over a hundred pages with fairly exhaustive look at how they presented that to the medical Medical public because busy doctors, you know, this, you, you trust the journal you trust the abstract to fairly reflect what's in the materials, methods, and conclusions. Dr. Robert Chandler: You expect the conclusions to be supported by the actual data. You expect the data be transparent and accurately reported and this process is not working right and we've gotta fix it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That brings me to the next thing I wanna talk about, cuz you talked about this on, on Daniel Horowitz, and I want to hear more about this, but you looked into how this affects men and women. Dr. Robert Chandler: Well, phenomenal. [00:33:00] You know, when document 5.3 0.6 and sorry folks, these, these are cryptic. When, when you go on series website and you see how these documents were presented to us, You'll understand some of the obstacles that the teams that have gone through this have had to overcome and they're just cryptically displayed and there's tons of them. Dr. Robert Chandler: I personally, I personally, have printed out 25,000 pages which is driving my wife nuts because this paper is all over the house. I had to buy second printer, so I used three computers, an iPad and two printers to, to output all this stuff cuz you have to, cuz it might disappear. You look at it once and it's gone when you go back to look at it. Dr. Robert Chandler: So you better screenshot it and hard copy it. But the, the level of detail behind this analysis is, is impressive. And, and some of the teams working on this are, are just doing a phenomenal job.[00:34:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Can we get into some of the findings that, that you've seen so far with, let's say men and testes? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, no, that, that, that's okay. Well, cuz there's so much to say about that five point, 3.6, like the, was it eight or nine pages of no space, single, you know, like maybe nine font of unusual it's, it's disastrous. Dr. Robert Chandler: Well, I, unfortunately, I think that's intentional. So I took the time and I prepared, in fact, the most popular piece of my ck is I went through that document, 5.3 0.6 in a way that you don't have time to do and prepared a 24 page spreadsheet to make it transparent and it's all numbers. Dr. Robert Chandler: and it's outlined on, on my, I think it may be in the daily clout archive too, where I try to make the actual data transparent so you don't have [00:35:00] to read through that horrible document. And there's some really strange things in that document. Like there's a footnote, it's dumb. Footnote number seven is way in the back in tiny font. Dr. Robert Chandler: A very short sentence. It's something like a seven year old was injected and had a stroke. Wow. We need to know more about that seven year old. It wasn't released for children. What dose did this child get? And there was another cryptic note in that document that indicated a 28 day old baby was injected. Dr. Robert Chandler: You think, what is going on here? Wh why didn't they stop it and say, well, what, we can't have this, and what's the outcome of those children? So one of the things we noted going through that document was the women just seemed to account for way too much of these adverse events. So we did a fiscal analysis. Dr. Robert Chandler: We found that almost every category of disease had a female [00:36:00] dominance two to one, three to one. And the numbers vary, depend on which data set you look at, but it, it's, it holds, it holds across document 5.3 0.6. It holds against the document that came out of the TGA in Australia. There was about a million 1.3 or 1.4 million. Dr. Robert Chandler: Huge dataset. Again, the females are two thirds of, of the adverse events, and we started breaking that category down. What kind of events are they having? Well, 16% involve the reproductive organs. And now we can go back to document 2.4, which tracks where this lipid nanoparticle encapsulated mRNA goes in the body. Dr. Robert Chandler: And by gosh the ovaries are in the top four. So this stuff concentrates in the ovaries maybe accounts for this sex difference in adverse [00:37:00] events. And then we started looking at birth datas. And this is a separate report, and we found that there's a major decline in births in Europe, in north America. Dr. Robert Chandler: And in, in oh, we looked at Taiwan. We looked at a number of different countries. It looks real. In Dr. Burkhart's second series, he has no ovarian or uterine specimens, but he shows that in the testes spike affixes to the mature, maturing sperm cells and decimate the popul. And I put in the document that's set to be released later today or tomorrow normal. Dr. Robert Chandler: So you can compare, you can see how the sperm cells are just depleted in, in the testes. So even though the concentration in testes is nowhere near what it is in [00:38:00] ovaries, it has a profound effect on the germination or the maturation of sperm cells. And we know from a study done in Israel that sperm counts and the viability of the sperm are harmed for at least six months. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that as long as the spike protein is present? And do you, is there any way to determine like one spike protein damage is, you know, 50 sperm, or does it have to bind to it? Does it just mean in proximity? Is it. I don't even know what question to ask. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yes. Well, I think there's, well, no, I got your question. Dr. Robert Chandler: may maybe, cause my thought is the same. The words didn't work, but the idea does and, and I think it's a direct toxicity. There was a paper out of San Diego, I think it was Scripps that showed that there was a direct toxicity aspect to spike. But it also it's like you guys in the [00:39:00] army, you'll go light up a target and then artillery focuses in on it or f 18 flies over and, and hones in on that target signal. Dr. Robert Chandler: It looks like the spike protein lights up tissue that then is attacked by lymphocytes and other blood cells that are meant to target covid. But the common feature is spike and they'll attack Spike wherever Spike is. So it appears to be a direct cellular attack on these germinating cells from activated lymphocytes, which I don't know if you've talked about the roskin study from Stanford, but they found mRNA in the auxiliary or the chest wall lymph nodes for 60 days producing from the mRNA producing spike. Dr. Robert Chandler: And they had the opportunity to compare those germinal centers or lymph nodes [00:40:00] after the genetic therapies. The, these gene therapies compared it to actual covid at quite a different effect. In covid, these germinal centers are depleted and with these gene products, these germinal centers are activated and don't know if you accept the term angry white cells, but , it sounds like a political group. But you know, they, they take in basilic staining and, and gosh, to me that looks like they're premalignant. But talk about killer bees. And I think these things, and, and you have to put this together, you have to take the Stanford study and say, well, are these where these cells are germinated and then they accumulate as Dr. Dr. Robert Chandler: Burkhart shows and these various tissues, is it a pitch and catch type of thing? And so we may have a whole different kind of lymphocyte, a hunter killer [00:41:00] lymphocyte that's targeted to your normal organs, which is something we better look at pretty quickly here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You had said that Dr. Burkhart gave specific recommendations for women, women wanting to reproduce in the future. What, what were those? Dr. Robert Chandler: Oh, I don't know if you're ready for this. Thinking. 5.3 billion people have been injected. Now think about this. He said, women, if you're planning to have a family, find a male who's not been vaccinated, so where are you gonna, where are you gonna find that? Dr. Robert Chandler: It's profound. And you know, I think just, yeah, wa watching Professor Berkhart deliver this you know, he's 78 was born in Germany in 1944. Can you imagine what his childhood was like? And he was, he was retired. He's doing this outta [00:42:00] retirement. And I, I would say he's working probably as hard as he ever has. Dr. Robert Chandler: So it's not a cavalier commenter. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, no. And that's, it's, it's a hard thing to hear, but I think it's the things we need to hear and hopefully you saying that helps prevent a parent from giving that to their little. . Dr. Robert Chandler: Well, let's be a little more clinical and therapeutic. You know, we don't, pathologists don't treat humans. Dr. Robert Chandler: You do. I used to. Right? Thank God. It, it, professor Berkhart put a a cartoon at the end of his talk. Is is a doctor talking to a patient saying, well, sir, looking at the, your, your disease here, I'm gonna refer you to a pathologist. Well, it's meant to be humorous, but the, the point I think is I don't think we need to be overly negative. Dr. Robert Chandler: I think there's room for an optimistic view that not [00:43:00] everybody has problems with these drugs. Some physiology may be able to defeat it. And I think we can develop treatment for, for many of these things, we just, we just need to get past the censorship and all of the nonsense that's going on in the medical field, in the field of science. Dr. Robert Chandler: Look, folks, we get, we gotta work together on this. I don't care whether you voted for Biden or whoever, just put down the swords and the axes and quit the battle. Let's work together and solve this problem, and whoever's doing the censoring out there, please stop. Just please stop. And that's from my heart. Dr. Robert Chandler: I have, I have to take a break from looking at this stuff. I, I've got this was a four part series for me. So part two is coming out part three. I've gone and gathered a bunch of case reports to say, [00:44:00] oh, the criticism's gonna be, oh, Dr. Burkhart, you know, he's blah, blah, blah. Well, okay, now I've got independent publications from many countries around the world showing similar findings. Dr. Robert Chandler: So let's get past whether this is real or not, please. But the, the next step is how can we get to treatments, diagnosis, and treatments? And I think there's real progress being made there. It, it's not entirely public and, and you realize, Sam, that it's hard to bring this up in a public forum because whatever's happened to our ability to reason critically and negotiate the differences we have in, in medical ideas. Dr. Robert Chandler: Let me just give you an example. In orthopedics, in the decade of the eighties, we came into a whole new set of techniques for fixing a broken leg. Seems mundane, but we had plates and we had nails, and we had casts and [00:45:00] braces, and we'd go to meetings, and then the brace guys would come in and fight and argue, and it was done in a collegial. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, you take your best shot and at the end of it you shake hands and, and you go back to your institution. You gather data. Let me just give you the, the, the quick and dirty on this. We ended up at the end of it all saying by gully, we got all these methods that work. We just have a full toolbox. What you have to do is learn when to use which one and how to do it properly. Dr. Robert Chandler: And by golly, we can offer people all kinds of different treatments, not because one won the contest because we decided we knew how to use each one specifically. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. I think you're absolutely right in everything you're saying. I think the first thing we need to do is get the people to quit taking these things and putting them in their bodies until we can get the government to collect them up and take them [00:46:00] outta circulation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then the next thing. . Yeah. Stop 'em immediately. Stop these shots immediately. And then the next thing is cause I know this sounds like a lot of doom and gloom but you know, miraculously, the guy, the God of the Bible has made the human body in such a way that it can overcome things that you would never imagine It could. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Whether it be figuring out how to overcome these things, or it just, the, the mechanisms inside the body can, can wall bad things off and keep bad things from happening in the future. But either way, we need to have more heads come together, have more freedom to speak, and we can, we can build bridges to fix these issues. Dr. Robert Chandler: That's right. I, I, I think we, we can beat this, but we got, we gotta change how we're working. Just, just to give an example, and I'm not a urologist or immunologist, but my mentor at Northwestern Medical School was Phil Patterson spent his life studying a condition of brain disease encephalitis that [00:47:00] he created laboratory animals by removing brain tissue, modifying it, injecting it back, and these animals will reject their own brains. Dr. Robert Chandler: It's called experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis. Well he did that to study the process. So we were attuned to autoimmunity at Northwestern, and on the ward we identified a young lady that came in with something that looked like Epstein Bar mononucleosis. It turns out that she didn't have some of the classic clinical features, so we worked her up. Dr. Robert Chandler: The reason for admission was hemolytic anemia, Sam, and cold activated hemog hemolytic anemia, which in Chicago in the wintertime, it's, it's gonna become obvious. So she, 23 year old girl started destroying on red cells. And what we found out was she had cytomegalovirus mononucleosis, not epstein bar mononucleosis. Dr. Robert Chandler: And this virus had gotten in and modified the type of red cell proteins that were [00:48:00] on the red cell wall and had changed the genetic instruction in the maturation of the red cell to produce a fetal antigen on the outside of the red cell. And she's 23 years old. She's got these fetal red cells in circulation that are attacked by her own body, which is where her red cells were going. Dr. Robert Chandler: Well, it turns out the follow up on that she, she was treated, I think they treated her with steroids and the follow up was it resolved. Ultimately her body was able to overcome that reprogramming error caused by cytomegalovirus. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's, that's wild. One thing I wanted to ask you, we haven't talked about that yet, was the brain. Cuz I remember early on thinking to myself, you know, Because the way we got the, this, the code of what the virus is, China put it up in some database and we were able to download it. We never actually had the virus in. You know, there's some people that say we still don't actually [00:49:00] have the virus, but that's a different conversation for a different day. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But my first initial thought was, what if someone hid inside of that code, the PreOn disease or cretz field yakka or mad cow in humans. And then I remember, not too much later I read an article by Bart Clayson where he says that the, the spike protein can induce, or at least theoretically can induce Cretz field yakka, which is mad cow in humans. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Have you seen any of those kind of those brain changes? Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, and as I said, this is a four part series for me. The first part is Burkhart one number two is Burkhart two, which drops today or tomorrow. Number three is this accumulated series from the literature, and I'm gonna include those yakub, uhits disease and the discussion of amyloid in general because it has a role to play as we've talked about in the heart and in the blood vessels may be part of this clot as well as demyelinating disease was probably autoimmune deposition disease, which would be more like the Alzheimer's where, where [00:50:00] signals are just not processed. Dr. Robert Chandler: So yeah, that's definitely part, part of the constellation of, of illnesses that these products seem to be responsible for. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, I want to be respectful of your time. I, I truly appreciate you coming on and cuz we're, we're hitting right at the hour mark now, and that's all I I got you for is that hour. So I wanna be respectful of that. But thank you, thank you so much for coming on and sharing this information and I wanna leave everybody with a bit of hope that as long as we can speak the truth and we put out into the sunlight for all ideas to be exposed to sunlight, which is the best de disinfectant, all the conspiracy ideas will go away. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All the truth will rise to the top and we'll be able to figure out ways to overcome this. Dr. Robert Chandler: Agree totally. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And where can people find your work sir? Dr. Robert Chandler: My is Robert Chandler. One, one [00:51:00] word no spaces com. And the other is daily clout, one word, d a i l y dot clout dot io. And finally our first 50 documents are present on Amazon, the form of ebook. Dr. Robert Chandler: It'll be out in a hard copy soon. I have to tell you, we're, we're well into volume two. And I would guess at the rate that we're preparing documents we'll have volume two done in the next six to eight months. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm gonna encourage the listener to get that book when it comes out on hard copy, cuz just like Dr. Chandler was mentioning earlier, these things disappear from digital sources. If it's, if it's not on your shelf, it's not actually your. Dr. Robert Chandler: I plus, plus the people that say there's no evidence if you bring a 1500 page document and drop it on their desk and say, look at the, get back to me. Look it [00:52:00] over tonight. Dr. Robert Chandler: Read, read through it, and we can go through it in detail tomorrow and should end at no evidence. Crap. Exactly. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, I know it can be absolutely. Devastating, heartbreaking to be reading through these things, but I'm glad that you have stepped up to that challenge. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, thank and Sam, you know, I, a trauma surgeon, we used to, we used to train you guys in the army and, and we had a navy pilot that was orthopedic surgeon working with us at county usc, and I've seen some pretty grim things and, and you do certainly on the battlefield, but looking at these cases where you have a teenage. Dr. Robert Chandler: Child that doesn't make it to breakfast. The parents go and find a dead child. I, I just had, I had to leave, I had to walk, came back and went to bed. I just, well, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think, I think you said exactly what it is. It's, we're, we're in a battle, not a battle. We're in a [00:53:00] war. This is a bio bio warfare situation that we've been in since 27, March, 2020. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And now we're starting to see the casualties of that bio warfare and it's, it's children and it's, you know, football players and soccer players and, and it's grandma and it's grandpa and it's, you know, moms and dads. And it's devastating. And that's why these shots need to be stopped in. They need to be rounded up and we need to figure out what's in all of them because there's lot to lot variance and there's variance in each lot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they need to be, you need to store some for, for record keeping, but the rest need to be incinerated and destroyed. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yes. I, I agree totally. We, this platform, and, and as I said, I was into molecular genetics 50 years ago with a couple Nobel Laureate professors, and I thought, whoa, this is just wonderful stuff, but it is just not going wrong right now. And we gotta step back and, and realize that reading some [00:54:00] of these studies, like the Stanford studies realize these people are brilliant, but this is a very complex area of medicine and we've learned enough to know how much we don't know yet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing that I just want to throw a caution out there for everyone is soon, someday you may see all the mRNA go away, and there'll only be normal, normal vaccines left. And if they still have lipid nanoparticles in them, do not take them. I truly believe that the lipid nanoparticle is the bio weapon. Dr. Robert Chandler: Yeah, I, I haven't reached a conclusion because there's so many moving parts here. Looking at some of the basic science and then trying to put together the medicine, you may be right. know others have honed in on that too. And I'm, I'm just saying, look, I'm, we gotta keep everything on the table cuz we don't know what's in there. We don't know about the quality control. [00:55:00] There's been a lot of conversation about what these products actually do once they're in your, the body. And if you look at the gaps in the research and go back to the early part of this research effort, you say they just needed more time. They just needed to, to work on this. And someday it could be Tremendous asset to, to healthcare, but we're not there yet and we've gotta stop it and figure out what's happened and try to help the, the wounded get better. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, thank you so much for your time today. Dr. Robert Chandler: Thank you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:56:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Are you concerned about having food for your family around the house? If so, check out Harvest Wright, freeze dryers, see if they're right for you. I've had mine since 2016. I absolutely love it. It's great. I can freeze dry food. The children love freeze-dried fruit. It gets so much sweeter than just regular fruit just by removing the water from it, and it can last for up to 25 years if stored properly. 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The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time. Of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well, thank you for joining me again. I have a wonderful guest that I'm very excited to tell you about. But before we get that started, I wanna say thank you to all my Patreon supporters. Y'all have been very helpful in encouraging me both monetarily and just spiritually. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just giving me encouragement. I want to thank Shell Pace. At $50, we have Sam and Angela shek. At the $20 and 20 cents level, we have the Pandemic Reprimand, which is $17 and 76 cents a month with Linda Perry Ty, the Self-Made $10 level. With Katie and Kevin, we have the $5 tier refined, [00:01:00] not burned, with Emmy, Joe Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca Darrell. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have the courageous, contagious level at $1 a month with Amanda, Jay, and SPTs. Nasty. Thank you so much for, for being willing to commit money when time is so tough and money is so hard right now. I wanna thank you very much for that. Now for my guest. This is a true pleasure. I didn't really know much about Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Peter Breen until re really into, well into this whole covid debacle that's going on. But this isn't new for him. This ki type of fight is not new for him. He's, he's been doing this, going against the big dogs, helping the underdog, helping the, the down trod. And since high school, I just found out really he, you know, hold people accountable who are trying to beat up his friends Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But but really, truly, he is the giant that most of us shoulders were standing on. And we may not even know it. And I encourage to go check out his story cuz we're not gonna be able to get into the entire story. But we're gonna hear snippets of his, of his experience and the troubles and the tribulations and the trials that he's gone through in the [00:02:00] past that has steeled him for now and that we can look back to as motivation to get through those hard times. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sir, it's, it's a pleasure to have you on. Dr. Peter Breggin: Well, I'm really getting to know you. I think I've interviewed you twice now, haven't I? Sam? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. And it's been my pleasure every time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: now. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I'd certainly, folks, I think he's a great person to contribute some substance toward. He's a, are real fighter for our rights and he's good man. Good man. Yeah, I can sort of figure out how, when I was very young I grew up it's as if God set it up. He had you know, he, he had this genetically Jewish little boy being born and being born into Kind of a, a, a new middle class family. Dr. Peter Breggin: My father came over when he was nine and my mother was born [00:03:00] here. But her father came over and not outta great circumstances from, basically from poland. The not Warsaw, but what were the stets, the little villages, many of which no longer exist right after World War ii. When they did an inventory with people of, where did you come from? Dr. Peter Breggin: They began to find all kinds of little Jewish villages, small towns that did not exist anymore. And if you go to ve, which is the Holocaust Museum of Israel, they have this amazing display of the twinkling lights of the villages that are gone. They like stars in the sky. I hope I'm remembering that accurately. Dr. Peter Breggin: That's decades ago that I saw that. And I came into the world and born into a community that was new ish. They had all moved out from Brooklyn and from New Jersey and some from Manhattan to live on the south shore of Long [00:04:00] Island. Most of the people were reasonably well off. My parents were at the time middle class, but by the time I went to college, my dad was actually controller of 20th Century Fox. Dr. Peter Breggin: So he, he really rose up in the New York City business world, which is where the business officers of Fox were. I'm the second child and I think that my mother felt overwhelmed with raising children. Family background was really, really quite terrible. And my dad had been ripped away from his father and brought to the US when he was nine, so he didn't have a good idea about all that stuff. And so they even though he lived in a duplex, not, not in a mansion, they brought a black child up from probably Georgia. Her name was literally Bessie. Mike Bessie Smith, a great singer. And I believe she was 16 when she arrived in 20 when she left. And she, me and duplex, . I lived in a small room with her, basically, [00:05:00] and I know that I identified with her, not my parents for the first four years of my life. Dr. Peter Breggin: And when they discovered , I, I lost my complete memory for her until I had a dream in my thirties with my mother using the N word and saying, you love that person more than you love your own mother. And I'm imagining being in a crib and hearing these words. And I then remembered Betsy , and I actually eventually found her and got to meet her. Dr. Peter Breggin: And she'd been in touch with the rest of the family after she left us when I was four, or probably probably driven out. Well after that happened, actually, I refused to eat for the white folks, and they were, they were forced, I think I think they, they must have sent the sheriff to her in Brooklyn or something, but I think she left her husband, certainly her husband to be, and came back and stayed another several months until kindergarten started, and then she left again. Dr. Peter Breggin: So my first act of rebellion [00:06:00] was to refuse to leave for the white folks. I remember Bessie defending me. I remember Bessie sort of being my guardian. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's almost like a reverse Moses story. Dr. Peter Breggin: Yeah. That's interesting. It is. It's like I'm, I'm found in the, in the bull rushes, but I've been put there and by my parents and well, that's interest. Dr. Peter Breggin: I mean, that, that's mind blowing. But anyway, Moses, I am not. And I I grew up with a critical eye of what was going on around me and I grew up really quite depressed. I was not particularly outstanding. And then when I was 12 or so, they didn't like to have me around in the summers. It was nice to have their. Dr. Peter Breggin: The first born around, but I didn't seem to fit in. And they sent me to Boy Scout camp. And the Boy Scout camp was actually a place for troubled kids. I wasn't a troubled kid. I was, you know, doing reasonably good and everything. And I I made a best [00:07:00] friend at camp whose name was Richard Tilley, any of his relatives are around. Dr. Peter Breggin: And he and I really had fun together. And somehow or other we ended up bef the night I left cuz I, I really, really had to leave the camp. It was so horrible. I, I was carrying a hunting knife to prevent a very large person from bullying me from New York City. Very poor person. Literally carrying a honey knife. Dr. Peter Breggin: And since it was Boy Scout camp, I could get away with it, but it was a pretty big honey knife. , I'm not even sure where I got it. And. Strange upbringing for, for a Jewish boy. And when I got back, my mother, who really was not a very sensitive person, was reading a local news day. I've not been able to find this article, but it would've would've been thirty, nineteen, thirty six I'm born. Dr. Peter Breggin: It would've been sometime about 40, maybe. And it was she said somebody died at camp at polio. Well, I'd been wrestling with Richard Tilley, I [00:08:00] think, in our skives in front of the other boys two days before he died. And the, the sense of what the polio epidemics meant is really in many ways beyond Covid 19 in many ways. Dr. Peter Breggin: And especially for Jews. I think we viewed it as a kind of pilgrim . I think my mother thought it was a disease. The go set. It was, it was you know, it was During my God, it's actually during World War II and the Holocaust, which I never actually put that together. That would've well, from born in 36, and we're talking about 46. Dr. Peter Breggin: So it's three years after the Holocaust became known, widely known in 1944. This is all new. You can say, I have not put this together in this, this way before. And she called the she was very very upset and like angry at God. She was not being sympathetic, and she called our our GP who told her that he couldn't do anything about it [00:09:00] if, if I got a cold and a sore throat to give him a call, and my mother got off the phone cursing him. Dr. Peter Breggin: And so I went to bed that night. Bessie had taught me about God. There was just nothing about God in my upbringing at all. Very secular. And so I prayed to God and I told him that if he let me live to be 16, I'd be the best little boy in the world. Dr. Peter Breggin: the beginning of a reformer. Now I enter the sixth grade and I'm a tour earlier than, than the other kids, mostly physically, sexually earlier, but all of a sudden I was a different person. As adolescents hit, I was the fastest runner in the class. Suddenly I'm an athlete. We're getting together with the two other schools that are feeding into the junior high. Dr. Peter Breggin: We're going to, I'm the fastest runner in the all the schools. All of a sudden, people know my name. I win the a hundred yard dash and I'm elected class [00:10:00] president and I do not understand any of this, but. it continued. Accept being a great runner. Eventually. I was no longer that great runner, but I was good. Dr. Peter Breggin: I was good enough to take fifth in the a hundred yard dash of the entire county of Nassau in my CT year. . So I got a point and that's a funny point cuz I was short and kind of chubby, so I was a short, chubby kid who was just making it across the line. Cause a hundred yards for me was a very long distance. Dr. Peter Breggin: I played football because I could get full speed in five strides. I was five four with short legs, five, four. So almost impossible to, to bring me down my, my, my most important athletic event was I tried to tackle Jimmy Brown. Do you know who Jimmy Brown is? Jimmy Brown was, is probably the greatest runner in the history of the N F L and he was at another high school. Dr. Peter Breggin: And Jimmy [00:11:00] Brown looked like an Adonis. at the age of 18. And I do remember, I actually held onto to him and then two other guys came and held onto him and he took all three of us across the goal line . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm guessing he's probably a foot taller, almost a foot taller than you. Dr. Peter Breggin: Oh God. Union. Yeah. No, Jimmy, yeah. Dr. Peter Breggin: Well, five four, he was probably about, I think he was around six one, but really built like a Madonna. He, he was just amazing. It, it certainly, it certainly would kept me aware of my true size and strength which was vastly overestimated in my mind. Dr. Peter Breggin: when it came to defending myself with my dress . In senior year of high school I actually wrote an editorial for our newspaper. I was out of the paper and about that if we kept building atomic bombs, we'd be fighting with sticks and stones [00:12:00] in the war after that one. So I was thinking about these things very early on and because in those days, young people didn't think about this stuff. Dr. Peter Breggin: We're talking about the fifties, you know, we didn't think about this stuff and I actually got to read it on The Voice of America in New York. I went to New York City and, and read the editorial in The Voice of America. But the most interesting thing I did be, because it's so unusual, was we had this teacher who was, thought she was very, very intellectual. Dr. Peter Breggin: And so she, in our senior year, those of us that were good students, we got to go to a special class that was set up combining history and literature, which sounded very interesting to me. And she taught it. She taught the combined history and literature course and she did a mock trial of the north of our having A war crimes trial against North Korean soldiers for pillaging and raping. Dr. Peter Breggin: So it's the North Korean soldiers. It was not as I recall, their leaders. [00:13:00] And I raised my hand and said I'll defend them now. This was, was quite bizarre. Everybody in the class, I'm sure and I went and I got, I had my dad and some other people pick up newspapers from the city and I looked at all the rape going on and all the murder going on by young men. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I presented that as my evidence. And I argued that how could we hold young men responsible for doing atrocities under wartime where they're taught to murder and destroy. and their leaders want them to. How could we hold them responsible when we have boys doing the same things in a, in the land of the free without any war going on here? Dr. Peter Breggin: The teacher was quite actually angry at me. But I look back on that and I have no idea where at my age I would've come up exactly with that. Other [00:14:00] than what I'm sort of telling you. I'm telling you most of what I know about how I would've gone in that direction. When I went to college I was very afraid to go to Harvard. Dr. Peter Breggin: My best friend had gotten into Harvard already and I'd applied and I was put on a waiting list. And our class was this amazing class of young Jewish kids who were stars. I've never been in a more interesting group of people until Covid 19 and the. Christian equivalent of my young friends in a way, these young, vital, excited, wanting to do good things in the world. Dr. Peter Breggin: Youngsters, back in 19, well, cla grad class, graduated in 54 until, until the group I'm in now of the Freedom Fighters. I've never been in such an amazing group of people where had so many friends that I could trust and believe in and, and, and feel really equal in, in the desire to, you know, do something worthwhile. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I happened to meet a man who was later [00:15:00] become a lawyer, famous lawyer, and he was a also at the beach club I was working at, we were locker boys, essentially glorified locker boys. I had worked there for years and . He said to me, he told me he was going to Harvard. And I said, that's great. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I said, I said, I'm in the waiting list. He says, how could you be on the waiting list? I said, I don't know. So he called the admissions people. He would later be a very, very important attorney, though I'm flagging out his name now, doing defense work I think against McCarthy. The, but maybe that's not possible. Dr. Peter Breggin: He wouldn't been grown up then yet. It was something. So he calls the admissions department and he says, well, he, he never came for an interview. He's on the waiting list cuz that's what we do and people come, just don't come. So I'd been afraid to go and I didn't have parents who were involved enough with me to ask me about it. Dr. Peter Breggin: The only person that asked me about it. So I went to Harvard and I got into Harvard, I think [00:16:00] that day. Thought I was there. . And so this school that had never put anybody into the Ivy League was so amazing. We had two kids at Harvard, somebody at a Yale. We had somebody in m i d. We had women at the top women's schools. Dr. Peter Breggin: There was just this am amazing generation. Well, I didn't know what I was gonna do at Harvard. I told my dad I wanted to be a labor union leader, . And he said, son, you can't come from a middle class family and go to college and everything and become a labor leader. You'd have to be a laborer, I think Dr. Peter Breggin: So I'm searching for what, what can I do to make a contribution? And I got into a special program at Harvard on American history and literature. And by the way, for the two of us to get in, this was not a private school. This was a small public school. We probably had 110 kids in the class. Dr. Peter Breggin: One day I am studying. I'd had a deep interest in psychology. I was already reading a lot of psychology on my own, mostly to just try to get my head straight. So I was [00:17:00] reading Freud, I was reading Play-Doh and Aristotle on my own things. No, but no, people didn't do back then when you were my that age nowadays it wouldn't be so unusual maybe. Dr. Peter Breggin: And my friend came by and said, no, me and my brother are are starting a volunteer program at the local state mental hospital. Dr. Peter Breggin: Now comes two other stories that I left out when I was nine or 10. It was 1944 or early 45. We went to the family, we went to a family movie to watch, I don't remember what it was. And they had a, something called movie tone news. Then. and it came on first with a big booming voice on the news. And all of a sudden there's the the first videos that any of us has seen, certainly are film, first film of the liberation of a Nazi extermination camp. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I suddenly [00:18:00] saw Jewish people like me in heaps, dead heaps, hanging onto wires and looking out from them. And I didn't want to watch it. I put my head down and my mother's my father went to make me look, look up, and my mother said, no. He, you know, and they had a little argument, a brief argument, and my dad said, he needs to watch this. Dr. Peter Breggin: Do you remember how old you were at this? He never spoke to me about it again. I would've been nine, maybe 10, somewhere right in there. 44, 45. That's dramatic for a nine year old. Credible. I actually not long after, I think began to wonder, certainly when I had a young girlfriend at age 12, 13, you know, whether they could take her away. Dr. Peter Breggin: I mean, it stayed with me that this could happen. I didn't have any big distinction in my mind. I wasn't old enough to understand America versus [00:19:00] Germany and our principles and those old, you know, great ocean between us, whatever. But I took it very personally and I began thinking even about what I would do, and I decided I would die before they did that to me. Dr. Peter Breggin: I'd take somebody with me very young, and then this was this kind of thing that I think God was just exposing me. Then my Uncle Dutch came back from the war. , one of those men who loved the war, he became an officer and was going to go back to something fairly pedestrian. And he'd taken pictures of the torture chamber at one of these cons, really not concentration camps or extermination camps. Dr. Peter Breggin: And he showed them to me, which should, should have put him in jail, I think. So I knew the worst of the worst of the worst imaginable pictures of it. And when I went into the state mental hospital, I [00:20:00] felt like I was walking into something close to what I'd seen that, that the people were so wretched, their conditions, the treatment was so callous and the, I went to the with a few of the students to the women's violent ward. Dr. Peter Breggin: I don't know how they managed to get us into that. And may, maybe they'd been given keys that early. And within a year I was a leader of this program, two, 300 people. And I convinced the, well, I'll tell you, I got to see, I, I was so familiar to the nurses after a while, I spent two summers there that I got, I kept the keys they gave me, so I had my own keys to the hospital. Dr. Peter Breggin: I could go most places. And I got to see electro shock treatment and especially insulin coma. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I wanna ask if you were seeing this, cuz you, you just mentioned the electro shock, the [00:21:00] therapy, and I didn't really know much about the insulin coma until I started studying some of your, your videos. But frontal lobotomies, were you seeing that as well? Dr. Peter Breggin: Well, I saw the patients who'd been lobotomized, they never sat, and they didn't even do surgical lobotomy there. They shipped them off to probably Boston State Hospital, I think to do the lobotomites at a bigger hospital, not bigger, but more modern. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Were you, you have to warn, wonder about consent? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Were these patients able to Dr. Peter Breggin: Oh, no. There's no consent in the state hospital. Dr. Peter Breggin: No. No. There is no more consent in a state mental hospital than in a Nazi extermination camp. No. No difference. And I would use that information later on in a, in an extremely important trial. I'll, I'll jump ahead. Way ahead. It's 1972 and I've decided that I've had all my training at Harvard and Upstate Medical Center in New York, and [00:22:00] I've done a, I've been an Lieutenant Commander in US Public Health Service as a they called us consultants, full-time consultants, and I was at the National Institute of Mental Health, sort of the pinnacle of a career, very early. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I realized it was not gonna be a place for me in what I'd learned in the state mental hospital, which is that the psychiatry is doing far more harm than good and what we have to do. I was now a psychiatrist. A psychiatrist has really turned things around and I realized I couldn't turn things around. Dr. Peter Breggin: Things had changed so much, so I better go back to the little bit to the original story. So I decided to become a psychiatrist. I started my first book, which was eventually published with four names on it cause I had left and it was finished by some of the other volunteers. I published my first article. Dr. Peter Breggin: So a speech. I gave a Yale at a conference on volunteering. This is all this in college. I got to know the professors at Harvard cuz they were very interested in our program [00:23:00] and I set up a a case aid program. And they didn't wanna do this. They, they, they thought we would hurt the patients. And I, and there was professional jealousy. Dr. Peter Breggin: The psychoanalyst never went to the Boston Ho psychoanalyst, the most famous psychoanalyst in the United States. They never went in the state mental hospital. They didn't want us, they protested our quote, treating patients as students. And what we were doing was visiting, we were each g under my development and they gave us 12 of our own patients that we could go visit when we came out. Dr. Peter Breggin: So it was acknowledged that they were our patients, they were our friends of our companions. We called ourselves companions, and we went out and talked to them. And we had about 15 students. And instead of hurting these patients, we got 12 out of 15 outta the hospital on follow up for a year or two. Dr. Peter Breggin: And it made so clear to me that what people were missing was [00:24:00] love and attention. Boy, that I learned that fast. I never got threatened on the back wards of the men's place or the women's place now have to realize I'm walking around. I dressed like a college student and probably a, probably in a dress shirt maybe or some other, but clearly a college student. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I'm, as I said, despite my pretentions to glory and, and sports and self-defense, I was very not large. I never had anybody try to intimidate me. I never had anybody do anything but treatment with respect in four years. , the scariest thing I had when a very large man came up to me and looked down at me and said, I smoke Lucky Strike, and proceeded on his way down the car, , it's so unusual, it stands out in my mind. Dr. Peter Breggin: And when we were there, the patients were much better to each other. The [00:25:00] aids didn't come running out and hit anybody, which I did see happen. One occasion eventually, we had so many people going through the hospital that abuse really fell as best as we could tell from the nurses and everybody. Dr. Peter Breggin: But this program then I also got turned into a full credit course in the second year. I went to the head of the Department of Psychology, Robert White. I told him about the program, he thought this was a great idea, and we set it up and it became a credit seminar. So you had your own for the second year, you had your own patient at the hospital. Dr. Peter Breggin: A you were getting a seminar about human relations. All this kind of thing could not be set up now, by the way, because everybody, all stu, all doctors are taught you can't talk to schizophrenia, can't talk to that disease. It's like talking to, you know, a plague or something. But there were more humanistic trends in psychiatry than, than now far more. Dr. Peter Breggin: That's why I went in, I mean, I swear there was a communist psychiatry. There certainly was a [00:26:00] socialist psychiatry. You could take a socialist psychiatry kind of a, of a residency. They called it community psychiatry. I didn't do that. I, I was very individually oriented even then. And . I got through my training and as I said, I moved on. Dr. Peter Breggin: And then I was in private practice. I wore jeans. This is 1968 with long hair and I didn't own a suit and and all of a sudden I'm looking through a psychiatric newspaper and there's an article. Lobotomy is coming back. I'd seen lobotomized patients just, just imagine somebody who's been concussed nearly to death, who had piece enough pieces of brain taken at 'em that they just didn't function anymore. Dr. Peter Breggin: And you could see a spark of life. I could see a spark of life in heavily lobotomized people. They would relate to me through it just a [00:27:00] little bit, like fighting through a, like you're in a thunderstorm and you're trying to communicate or something. . And I, I read about this. They'd had a big comedian in Copenhagen, I'm sure. Dr. Peter Breggin: I had no idea what country Copenhagen was in. And I, I, I read about all these people and what they were doing and I just thought to myself, now this has gotta be stopped. It can't come back like it. The only reason it went out of favor was that the new drugs, that the antipsychotic drugs basically did a chemical lobotomy. Dr. Peter Breggin: And the doctors felt so much better cuz they need, didn't need a surgeon. Well, they didn't need to be crazy. Like one of the psychiatrists, Walter Freeman, who did his own ice pick operations, he'd shock the person into a coma and then put an ice pick around their eye and threw the very thin bone and swish it. Dr. Peter Breggin: You need a detail like that folks, human beings do this to each other. You must understand, understand covid 19. You must understand what I'm saying today. . To understand globalism, you must understand what I'm saying [00:28:00] today. This is why this whole story, ginger and I could write the deepest dive, you know, COVID 19 and the global predators. Dr. Peter Breggin: We are the pray why I, we could together do this deepest dive into the harvest behind globalism. Because I had this introduction. Eventually I became a world expert for the drug companies against them, against the drug companies. So I had a lot of background before, so I had no idea what it would entail Dr. Sam Sigoloff: to give a little detail there on the, the man who did the ice pick lobotomies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, if I'm not mistaken, didn't he have a van and didn't he just drive around and didn't he brag about how many he could do in one day? Now I, you know, I hate to be this graphic with the, the listener, but it's important to understand Dr. Peter Breggin: this. Yeah, he did all that. I knew a lot about him. Yeah. . See, I became the first psychiatrist to ever stand up to him and to prepare to testify in court [00:29:00] against him. Dr. Peter Breggin: I've got a lot of these little cute things in my background, . But he died during, just before the trial. I was all told enough to go after him. And it was about a poor soul in Washington, DC where he was located and where I was located at the time. And she was so injured. She used to call any doctor she could to tell him that Walter Freeman had stolen her soul or something like that. Dr. Peter Breggin: It's really pitiful. And I think it was the suit was around her, as I remember. It's quite way back now. Yes, Freeman would actually stand up in an amphitheater with hundreds of doctors going, going up to the sky in the back of the amphitheater. , he would bring the patient in, he would layer out on the table, give her one electro shock, which puts you into a severe coma. Dr. Peter Breggin: It's supposed to be not harmful to the brain. It's worse than a typical car crash concussion. Actually, each one is worse.[00:30:00] Dr. Peter Breggin: The and when the person was out without sterilizing it, he would take an old fashioned ice pick we wouldn't handle, and he would pull back the eyelid of the person and find a way around the eye and then tap it. And the bone back there is very, I think it's the thinnest skull bone, and push it into the front of lobes and swish it. Dr. Peter Breggin: He's known to have done it with both hands at once to show off. , then the person would gradually awaken from the E C T in whatever condition they'd come in in. Whether they came in smiling, whether they came in rageful, whether they came in frightened, they were changed, they no longer cared. And that's basically to some degree what all injury to the brain does so [00:31:00] bad enough. Dr. Peter Breggin: And you end up and, but you still are sentient in some ways you don't care. And unfortunately, I think we're seeing some of this, of the Covid 19 vaccines where people are beginning to look like that. Some people, they don't care as much. No one ever stood up to Freeman in public until this little guy Dr. Peter Breggin: It was pretty, I'm trying to remember it. That's the where it is in the whole chronology of so many things that I did do. But as I said, we could not go ahead with the trial. But I was in the middle then of a whole campaign against Psychosurgery. I thought I would get some support from some well-known physicians or psychiatrists. Dr. Peter Breggin: I did not. There was a couple of leftist psychiatrists who were marginal in the, in the [00:32:00] establishment who supported me and maybe three or four others who might have lent some support but would not do it in public. But I got the support of Congressman Louis Stokes and Congressman Ron Dellums and. , I got the support of my own senator. Dr. Peter Breggin: I went to him and he said, this sounds awful. He was a conservative. He said, this sounds awful, this sounds immoral. I will help you. And he did. I went to the Black caucus and told him they were doing it to little children in Tennessee and excuse me, at the University of Mississippi. And that was the only place I got any cooperation from a psychiatrist in the establishment. Dr. Peter Breggin: I called up the director, the chairman. This is very early in, in this whole thing cuz I was mostly upset. You can imagine with my upbringing, which I probably did not yet remember, did not recall that childhood [00:33:00] upbringing. Let's see. Somewhere along that area. I began to remember it. But what, mostly one of the main things that motivated me to go after the psychos turgeon, when I found out they were doing it to four and five year olds, , sound familiar, black children in a segregated institution. Dr. Peter Breggin: It was one of the few scientific series that never mentioned the race of people. It was so interesting. It was made me very suspicious. Cause she almost always put down the race, you know, white, 49 year old, divorced, married, whatever, two or three words about each patient. These are just children. And I called a lawyer down there who was with a poverty kind of lawyer. Dr. Peter Breggin: We used to have poverty programs with lawyers that were funded by the state and the Fed and I, I said, could you go into this institution and maybe we could somehow find out what the race were, these kids? He said, I can tell you right now, doc, it's a segregated institution. and he'd take the kids out of the institution and [00:34:00] bring them to the University of Mississippi in Jackson. Dr. Peter Breggin: Not Ole Miss then. I didn't know the difference, so I had to learn that. That's not Ole Miss. It was the University of Mississippi in Jackson, and he'd operate on them and put multiple electrodes in their heads and leave them in permanently dangling like braids. He'd toy with them and sometimes he'd stimulate, sometimes he'd burn a little hole. Dr. Peter Breggin: I wanted to stop that man so bad, and I did. I stopped every known Psychosurgery project in the United States at that time. Four hours done and a number of them around the world. We still have one or two cooking away. I think Harvard may still have one or Brown, but they don't talk much. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's the same stuff that Mangala was. Dr. Peter Breggin: I don't know that he ever put electrodes in the child's head. He may not have because the Nazis thought lobotomy made useless eaters and that something, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:35:00] so it wasn't even as bad. So the Nazis were not doing it because they were afraid it could keep you from working. And we, here we are doing worse. Dr. Peter Breggin: Yeah, that's right. Dr. Peter Breggin: Make you a, make you a useless theater, which it kind of does do, but you're not useless. There's still a person inside. But they did love electro shock and they did electro shock experiments. And a guy named Robert Lifton who wrote a book on Nazi psychiatrists I've written articles, an big article about that. Dr. Peter Breggin: He actually said the one thing you could say for the, for the German psychiatrist, the Nazi psychiatrist, was they did experiments on E EC t. That was the one good thing they did. . Can you imagine that? How corrupt our profession is that a, that a, a liberal famous psychiatrist could get away with saying that in the book. Dr. Peter Breggin: It was one good thing they did was electric shock experiments. Jesus. So where am I with all of this? I [00:36:00] mentioned that the state hospitals are very similar to the concentration camps. Well, in 1972 and 73, I was the expert. The main, there were ma many exo. But I was the key expert for trial against Psychosurgery in a state mental hospital in Michigan. Dr. Peter Breggin: And you can look it up, you can find it on my website. You can find this, A lot of this on my website. I did a good chapter on it in a book called The War Against Show of Color, but you don't really need to go in that misery. The and I met Ginger at that trial. She was with the A C L U and she picked me up the airport and I fell in love with her. Dr. Peter Breggin: And there's a lot, everybody's my friend knows. I fell in love with her and I got so frightened that I went home, told my wife that I'd fallen in love. We got separated, eventually divorced, and I never told Ginger 10 [00:37:00] years. I didn't doubt Ginger that I'd fallen in love with her. I was so scared. . And then God put us together in the weirdest way 10 years later, and on the day I asked her to marry me within two hours. Dr. Peter Breggin: And we've been together ever since. But so ginger's there, it's a momentous time. And . So they had already prepped me and they were worried about other experts. And so I had dinner with Ginger before. And then the next day Friday, I went to do my testimony and the well, ginger with me. And Dr. Peter Breggin: she was, she glowed. She's a, she was, she's always just been something, something that changes my life. And I put her along and she's standing with me and, and Gabe GameWiz comes up and says, oh, those guys. And he curses and all. He says, you know what they're gonna do? They have now postponed your testimony by, by just bringing up all kinds of [00:38:00] nonsense so that you'll have to begin in the afternoon. Dr. Peter Breggin: and that means you'll have to, you, you'll finish Friday e afternoon, and then they can take the whole weekend to go over your testimony with the surgeons. I don't think any of the surgeon wanted to come hear me. So they, they were in this interesting position where they'd just managed to jockey it so that when my testimony was over, it'd be the end of the day. Dr. Peter Breggin: I said, Gabe, I, I can testify on a whole new stuff I never told you about. He said, how can you create a testimony? We have 15 minutes lunch. The lunch is over, and Bill going on the stand? I said, I'll do a history of psychiatry and I'll talk about Nurnberg code and at least try to set it up for you so you can apply the Nurnberg code to these state mental hospitals. Dr. Peter Breggin: Because the, because people have no more freedom in, in the state mental hospital than they do in a concentration or extermination camp. They have no more freedom. [00:39:00] And by the way, the percentage of deaths is darn near as high as they were in the death camps that were created in the state mental hospitals. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I said, you know, his five questions just keep asking me stuff about, well, tell me some more about what happened. Talk Toren. So I testified all afternoon about the state mental hospital system in which this patient was supposedly giving consent. And it was a key point for the judges. It was a three judge panel when they came back and said that you could not possibly give consent to Psychosurgery and a state mental hospital because Psychosurgery the hospitals were overwhelming, but also the surgery destroyed human capacity. Dr. Peter Breggin: There's two things that I was arguing. Dr. Peter Breggin: So that's about where I was. , that's the beginning of it all, . And I've been putting together the pieces ever so ever since I can tell you that the attack I [00:40:00] came under for going against psychosurgery shocked me. I didn't think I'd be attacked for going against phlebotomy. Psychosurgery. I got amazing support from women's groups because the majority of people were women, not children. Dr. Peter Breggin: I got good support from African American groups. I got C support from Congress, which I would never get now. But not from the medical profession, except for some people who are taking stands on one thing or another, but not in psychiatry. And from a few psychiatrists who, you know, they'd be there for me to vouch for me maybe. Dr. Peter Breggin: At that time later, there were a lot who vouched for Dr. Peter Breggin: me when I, I I needed later. But basically this was just me working with as many people as I could. And it's before Ginger, you know, there's a, there's a, a Peter who's a BG and before Ginger , an age, age G, extra Ginger. We've been [00:41:00] together for 40 years, but this is 60 years or whatever ago. Dr. Peter Breggin: The, there were some breakthroughs. The AMA published an article by me. I , a mother brought her, told me to, that she'd heard about me and, and her son, and I'd been talking, writing about him and she heard I'd been writing about him and how they harmed him, but that while they were claiming he was a cure, and she said, but you have no idea how much they damaged him. Dr. Peter Breggin: They made my son into a vegetable and they're, and they're claiming he's a cure from what your, your quotes, you were, you were giving. Then I went to see him and they literally had turned a fairly ordinary engineer who had some marital conflicts and who got referred to them. They worked him up and they, this, the surgery on him and they made him into a helpless, psychotic, totally, totally destroyed his, his capacities, and that's what he was when I met him. Dr. Peter Breggin: But he was sitting with a tent of. Newspaper [00:42:00] over him lying that on leave for the day or two with his mom from the local va. And, and he said to me, you know, they stolen my brain, but if I have an IQ of 180, and then he wouldn't say much again for a while. And it was just really a pitiful situation, heartbreaking situation. Dr. Peter Breggin: And I wrote him up with the mother's permission. And that was a part of shutting down these projects. I shut down the Harvard project with the work I was doing, and I found out that they were getting special secret, like funding from ni from Congress. They got Congress to give the, the, the leader of this project, which was probably the strongest, one of the strongest men in the world medicine. Dr. Peter Breggin: William Sw. He was the. Director of neurosurgery at Mass General at Big Harvard Hospital, and I was going after him and his projects and he actually had a private foundation. He had set up with money from the Justice Department and money from N I M H. Why Justice Department? [00:43:00] Cuz he was telling people that get o rioters needed, lobotomies needed psychosurgery who cure them. Dr. Peter Breggin: They were abnormal, they weren't ordinary black people. They were abnormal. So then that racism issue, which again from my childhood, you could see how that, how that would touch me. Dr. Peter Breggin: The let me take a breath. Let me see. I can just about see you. You're blurring in and out. Why don't I take a breath and why don't you say a few words. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, one thing that I, I noticed in what you're describing with these phlebotomies, it seems that, you know, we were doing worse things than, than I, well, some worse things, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That the atrocities in those death camps were horrible, awful, terrible things. But we were doing, we were supposed to be this, this shining tower, this beacon of light that was judging the world on rules that are written on men's heart. And, and we should have, they should have known better. And here we're doing the same things, just as terrible things, you know, slightly different, but just as terrible. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:44:00] And, and now that that's gone, we see the psychiatry world doing the same thing to children now with transgender. and it's, it's absolutely sickening to see how they're destroying lives of children who are incapable of making these informed decisions. They're taking away all of their reproductive for the rest of their life and they can never go back. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if they do go back, it's a, it's a terrible existence because everything in their body has changed. And it's, it's the same playbook. Dr. Peter Breggin: Yes. And there, there's another thing they've been doing, which I attacked just before Covid started, and it seemed like it was shut down, but they've it was my last project against psychiatry at that time, cuz then Covid hit they have a project called Monarch. You can look it up where they put a cap. Dr. Peter Breggin: No, they put electrodes. on the foreheads of children overnight. Kids diagnosed A D H D, [00:45:00] which means a normal child. These are normal children. You put I mean, they don't think they're normal, but believe me, they're normal. They're usually the youngest in the class, as one of their characteristics. The, and they put electrodes on their forehead and stimulate their brains overnight. Dr. Peter Breggin: And the electricity is going back up the trigeminal nerve, which is mostly an a nerve that is sending impulses down. That's most of what it does, like make your chump and stuff, has some coming back up to, and they're taking an electric hammer up. The biology meant to send down subtle orchestrated impulses through the nerve system. Dr. Peter Breggin: They're smashing back up the brain. , but these electrical pulses that are with that are, are, you know, bang, bang, bang. They're not anything the brain can [00:46:00] deal with. And they did, they had very few children in the trials, even though then the trials produced a lot of adverse effects. But this is, this, this gets approved by an even worse part of the FDA than the drug part. Dr. Peter Breggin: This is the part that that approves the machines. And this, this is the, this is the group that supports the psychos surgeons by never, never asking them to prove or any safety and effectiveness for their phlebotomies. This is the group that, that let psych electro shock go without approval at all until just before again, COVID. Dr. Peter Breggin: I was in a trial. I was in a trial and against lecture shock. Company manufacturer. It was like, I think this was finally came out in 2020 very early, but it was probably 2019. And they did a summary judgment. They asked the [00:47:00] judge to dismiss the case on the grounds. There's no evidence anywhere that shot treatment causes harm to the brain. Dr. Peter Breggin: So my job was to write a really good essay on electroshock brain damage. The judge read it and he said that there was sufficient scientific evidence presented to him to make it a jury question. This trial was going to the jury. They're gonna go to trial. We were gonna go to China, and within two days, the drug company sent a whole new thing, a whole new list of adverse effects to the FDA quoted textbooks. Dr. Peter Breggin: That admitted to the probability of brain damage and the certainty of memory loss and put in their, in their pamphlet that went along with the machine that Doctors Beware was on you to know and to inform people about the dangers. So this was like a huge victory followed within a week by the F D A approving E [00:48:00] C T for the first time. Dr. Peter Breggin: The coordinated defense, I mean, folks don't get frustrated when you don't make a lot of progress. I'm an expert at it. We go forward, they jump. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When I was in med school, I got to hang out in a closed psych ward for a little while, not, not as a patient, as a med student. And they had one patient that would get E ec t done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I had no idea. It wasn't FDA until right now FDA approved until right now. Wow. That was back in 2000. Dr. Peter Breggin: And now it's only approved of, I think, catatonia. Yeah. Now they approve for catatonia and I think severe depression. That's not amenable to any other treatment options or something Dr. Peter Breggin: they still have never tested. It's untested because the tests that are done occasionally are so bad. The results, they're either lying, cheating, and clearly can't approve the study [00:49:00] or the damage is so bad to animals. They gave up studying the damage to animals in 1954 because they were getting some horrendous results from large animals. Dr. Peter Breggin: And interestingly enough, I I talked to a very thoughtful psychiatrist and I just met a while back and he said, well, I don't know much about E C T, but haven't they, haven't, they made it much safer than it used to be. . Now he is a very smart man. Now, he wasn't gonna refer people, but I, I hope, but he, he thought it was safer than it used to be. Dr. Peter Breggin: Well, in the past you would back in say, 1948 or 1954 or 55, you'd give shock treatment charted in 38, you could give a convulsion, usually with a 100 amp milli amps, 100 milli amps for a split second, maybe 0.1 0.5. Now, the machines don't allow you to give [00:50:00] anything less than 800, eight times. The dosage usually takes to cause a convulsion. Dr. Peter Breggin: You can't even tighter back like they used to trying to give the least possible amps. They tell you 800 or 900, the machines are set and instead of allowing maybe your choice of going up to. To a half a second to give the jolt. You can give it for eight seconds. Now you the no machines are like a sledgehammer compared to a bang with a symbol. Dr. Peter Breggin: But again, so you see how it wasn't too hard for me and Ginger, cuz Ginger worked with me in all this stuff. Not too hard for us to begin to see through Anthony Fauci in five minutes and begin to realize there's a real horror story behind all this cuz we knew the pharmaceutical industry. When I was I [00:51:00] was back in 1994, I was made the sole scientific expert for all the suits against Eli Lilly appointed by a consortium of attorneys. Dr. Peter Breggin: They all had suits approved by a federal judge in Indiana. , it's where Eli Lilly is. And I had access to everything that they were supposed to give me to read which I did read and became for first person to really look at their controlled clinical trials and other stuff like that. God knows what they withheld, even though was Ilia to withhold anything. Dr. Peter Breggin: But the attacks on me then went really up, really up. And that's when I was zeroed out. That's when I went from being on Oprah six straight six times or soon after. And from being on Larry King live in 20, 20 and 60 minutes and everything you could imagine, I was on talking about the risks of psychiatry. Dr. Peter Breggin: Well, the drug companies moved in, then they [00:52:00] got the right to advertise on tv. And with that kuk, I gradually it was removed from. giving any you know, appearing on any major tv. The last couple of places I appeared on were the Factor and Nity and then nothing. That was a few years ago. Now I get on the conservative press all the time. Dr. Peter Breggin: So we all prepared for a lot of different things, which everybody now is kind of new to and in some ways they had, you know, short of actually killing us, they couldn't do a lot because we had already been pushed out of the establishment. We had already established us. It was very separately, our own income. Dr. Peter Breggin: We had weathered an attack on our license when Ginger was with me. She organized the attack. They were so beaten and bleeding by the time Ginger got through with them on the press, in the press for taking away my freedom of [00:53:00] speech on Oprah Winfrey, that they apologized to us. and admitted it was a free speech issue. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I hope someday I can see that vindication. Dr. Peter Breggin: Oh God, no, it's surround somewhere. They thanked me for my contributions to mental health and state of Maryland, and that was after the commissioner said that he personally was interested in this particular case against Reagan. He was following it and he decided he didn't wanna follow it anymore. and Ginger got the New York Times writing stories, the fact that , but you couldn't do that now, folks. Dr. Peter Breggin: Things are really closed down since then. Well, I mean, I don't know what to do. I could talk a lot, lot more. Maybe we should do another show later on or something. Or should I take a breath or you ask me some questions? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think we should do, definitely do another show. And I, I, I wanna be respectful of your time and I thank you [00:54:00] so much for coming on, but it's. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's amazing how all of us are standing on the shoulders of giants, even if they're not actually terribly tall. And it's, it's you, sir. And you know, people of, of your generation, Dr. Peter Breggin: very sturdy, very sturdy, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: very stout. And I, I thank the dear Lord that you've already, you know, bla trailblazed this trail for us and that you're still here with us helping us fight this because we, we need all the help we can. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's, and especially for the people that, let's say, got the shot because they were tricked. There's forgiveness at the foot of Jesus. Or if you're, you're Jewish, there's, there's forgiveness at, at the foot of God there. Whatever faith you are, there's forgiveness. You don't need to get more, you need to join on the side of freedom. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We're not on, God's not on our side. We're on God's side fighting for freedom. And if you notice this entire time, everything he's Dr. Bran has talked about is fighting for the underdog, for individual freedom. And that's exactly what's straight from the Bible, you know? Adam and Eve stood naked before God. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They were equal and they were [00:55:00] bare naked. There was nothing preventing them from, from being exposed to God. Because if you look at God as the law, they were, they had to be judged by the law. They had to be judged by God, and when they did not follow the rules, they were kicked out. And then that puts us in the place we are today. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and so it's important to, to bring it back to that, that we're all children of God and there is forgiveness and there is, there is that forgiveness at, at the foot of the cross. Now our fight is not against flesh and blood, it's against the rulers and princes of penalties of darkness in this un unseen realm. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But people who have done these horrible, terrible things, they will need to stand before trial either on this earth, hopefully in a illegal and, and proper manner, or when they meet their maker. But there will be, there will be justice at some point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much for joining me. Dr. Peter Breggin: Yes. Amen. Amen. [00:56:00] Amen. Let me, I just had a thought about a next show cuz there's something I've never done was just talk in detail about my own experience with the attacks on me and also how to win to really focus this kind of a amalgam of me and my thoughts. But maybe you could focus on attacks. Dr. Peter Breggin: Encounter attacks, and what do we need to do to win? What have I learned about winning Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and the unfortunate part, at least I'm saying is being right and winning is not a huge victory because I prayed to God every day. I was wrong. And unfortunately we see every single day that I was more right than I wanted to be. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's, everything is much worse than I ever imagined. Oh God. Yeah. And it, it's no. It's no feather. Am I cap right? Yeah. Dr. Peter Breggin: Well that, that is, that's really true. I'll leave you with just a, let me put a little point on that. You know, when you were talking about America was doing [00:57:00] worse things than, or bad things, the, the United States was way ahead of Hitler on undo Eugen sterilization, mass sterilizations. And we had such powerful advocates for sterilizing the poor, the mentally ill, the retardants on that. Dr. Peter Breggin: Groups of Americans went to talk with Hitler's psychiatrist, who was Ern Rudin, his official psychiatrist and with Hitler, and to tell him, look what we've done. You can write sterilization laws, you can get started toward euthanasia with the sterilization laws. So we literally, brought security to Hitler and that we, with our, our leadership, it reassured him he'd get no flack from America. Dr. Peter Breggin: And then one last Titbit in 19 40 41, the American [00:58:00] Psychiatric Association at the time that the euthanasia murders of children were beginning in, in Germany held a debate on what to do about five year old children up to age, who became five, who were mentally retarded. They had only two alternatives in the debate, murder them or sterilize them. Dr. Peter Breggin: The American Psychiatric Association afterward wrote an editorial supporting the murderers. And now I think about it a little differently than I did then, because I've been thinking a lot about mass murder. That was an editorial in favor of mass murder. All children who reached the age of five or have reached the age of five, that's mass murder, that was the association I belonged to, [00:59:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and that spirit lives on. Dr. Peter Breggin: I, I belong against their will. Believe. Believe me, and that spirit goes on the, the globalists are all eugenicists. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When at the end of the war, the Operation Paperclip brought those same people, the exact same people, the people that were wearing ss, the people that were Nazis, brought them back to America to run our secret operations. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not all of them. Many of them. Dr. Peter Breggin: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And now the globalists. Remember, the globalists are basically more favorable toward Marxism in China than toward the us. So that should tell you a lot. And if you wonder if they could possibly wanna commit mass murder with the, with vaccines, yes, they certainly could. Dr. Peter Breggin: The eugen and that leads to euthanasia. They've made clear that most of humanity is dispensable. Yes, they could [01:00:00] do mass murder, and people have been doing mass murder since civilization began. It won't be anything No. When you realize what's going on. That's it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. And I just wanna say that I, I pray every day that we're not on the verge of the largest mass murder ever seen in human history. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think we're on the precipice of that, that graph that's about to shoot up. And I, I pray I'm wrong every day, and I hope all the listeners also pray that, that I'm wrong. But with that, there is redemption at the foot of Jesus. And God bless you, sir. Thank you so much for coming on and I, I'd love to have you on. Dr. Peter Breggin: Yeah, the human body is a, i I wanna give a little hope on top of that, human body is amazingly resilient. The mammal in us serves us well at times. That surrounds us. The mammal we live in , the body is very resilient and and I do think that there are divine interventions and we'll just [01:01:00] kind of hope. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then some of the things you can do to help yourself and to help give a little more hope is eat right and listen to some of my podcasts about how to eat. Listen to episode 54 with me and Dr. Merrit. And there may, if there's a way that we think you can get this out of your system, that may be it. So encourage the listener to go listen to those cuz there is hope, there's forgiveness, but there's also hope for your body. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. God bless you. Dr. Peter Breggin: Thank you Sam Sigoloff. Thank you so much, doctor. Thank you so much. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

Today I talk with Dr. Lee Merritt. We discuss some ideas on what happened in Ohio as we both have had a friend, Ret. LTC Dr. Pete Chambers go to that area and tell us what he saw first hand. . Later this week I will have Dr. Lee Merritt on to talk about Ohio, preparing for the unknown and national sovereign movement. We also discuss how to prepare food for longterm storage. We both use Harvest Right Freeze dryers. I am an affiliate and do get a percentage if you use this link https://harvestright.com/ Next week we hear from Dr. Peter Breggin. He was like David fighting the Goliath of big Pharma back before it was cool. As always please like, share and follow. Please check out my Patreon account (https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. 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The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now to Dr. Sigoloff, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: thank you for joining me again. I wanna first thank all my Paton subscribers. I've got shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela Sheey at the 2020 level self-made level at the pandemic reprimand level of $17 and 76 cents. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna Frank Dip. We have a self-made level at $10. We have the refine, not burned at $5. With Linda Emmy, Joe Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Elizabeth, Marcus, Don. and, and the lowest level, the tier for $1 a month is Amanda [00:01:00] J sps, nasty. And Darrel, thank you so much for, for being willing to support me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Today. I have a wonderful guest. She's back again. She's certainly a friend. I, I would've hope I can call her a personal friend. But we have Dr. Lee Maridon and we're gonna be talking about what's going on in Ohio cuz she's been able to, to talk to a mutual friend who's been in the area. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's actually been downwind, if I'm not mistaken, is. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, I, I, I gotta just say the first thing here is that we should always be skeptical. We've learned from Covid that you can really, you can have, they love visual presentations of things that just simply aren't true. And one of, and. It's, it's hard because people are afraid to speak out when they've got some, you know, crying woman saying it's killing my cats and my chickens and things like that. Dr Lee Merritt: And you, you're, you know, hundreds of miles away and it's hard to argue with that. You hate to, you hate to, if it's true, you hate to, you know, question it. But we have to because we gotta realize that we're in a CGI world. And when you're in a [00:02:00] CGI world you have to get doubted, not just because you can see somebody crying on the phone. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, we know in Dayton, Ohio, they had a, they had an actor's call for crisis actors before this. So there's things going on that don't make sense. You know, the, the, the whole, I, I don't know if you watched it, did you watch The White Noise? The, the, the movie that came out in 2022 that happened to just tell exactly what happened here? Dr Lee Merritt: Theoretically, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I did not even hear about that movie until recently, but I haven't had a chance to watch it. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay. Well, see that's one of the, you know, they lo there's, there's a concept of predictive programming. Jay Dyer talks about this a lot on his Hollywood stuff. I've interviewed him a couple times, said, It's not, I think it's not just about that. Dr Lee Merritt: They, they feel in this, this creepy religion. They have to tell you what they're gonna do to you because then if they do it and you don't object, they don't have any karmic debt. I think that's what's going on. But in any case, you can call it predictive programming, whatever they seem to tell us ahead of time in movies, tv, all sorts of venues, what they're going to do. Dr Lee Merritt: Well, about two years before this [00:03:00] hit in East Palestine, before this train rollover, they had a a movie that they filmed in that area. In fact, some of the people from East Palestine, Ohio were extras in the movie. And here they are in real life. Right? What's the chance? And the movie's theme is there's a train rollover. Dr Lee Merritt: It puts out a big toxic black cloud, and it has toxicity that lasts for a long time and people are going to die earlier than they would have had this not happened to them. They didn't die as acutely very much, but they did. They will die later. That's the so you, again, it's one of those unprovable threats. Dr Lee Merritt: And so in the movie, I, I went back, so I watched the movie when I heard about it. And, and it's pretty interesting, the, the, again, they know that words are not as effective as images. So I thought to myself a couple days ago, I said, you know, what is it now that's, it's, I've, I watched the movie maybe about, I don't know, a week ago ago, a week and a half ago, and I said, now it's, it's almost two weeks. Dr Lee Merritt: What, what do I think that I remember from the movie? What are the scenes that burned into my eyeballs? Because [00:04:00] remember, I, I wish I had my little blue dryer ball here, but remember they showed you these picture. SAR of this, what they claimed was SARS COV two. Now they knew it was cgi, but they didn't tell us that it was that blue ball with those spikes out of there. Dr Lee Merritt: And they're saying, oh man, that's, you know, that's really scary. And, and, and it just looked awful. You know? And every you, I ask people in lectures, I say, what is that thing? And they say, oh, that's SARS COV two, or the Spike protein, or, you know something. And, and I say, no, that's cgi. That doesn't exist. Dr Lee Merritt: That's not an electron microscope. They make you think it is, but it's not. It's. Visual imagery from a computer. I said, it's not as really, it's not as dangerous as my dryer balls. I could put your eye out with them. So that's what's really going on here. And there's a lot of things you can do with cgi. Dr Lee Merritt: Well, in this situation, they know that images are important. So they had this movie, and the first thing I do remember the movie is this huge black cloud. I mean, it's creepy and it's got electricity coming out of it. And the whole bit, well, the story goes that it [00:05:00] came in this town in Ohio, and it's a college town. Dr Lee Merritt: And they, the, the professor has these kids, four kids or something, and his wife and everybody, and they end up fleeing in this, in this Volkswagen, in this black cloud. And he gets contaminated. And at the end of the movie they say, well, I'm okay now, but they say, I'm gonna die sooner than I would have. Dr Lee Merritt: That's the punchline. The, the visual images are the black cloud. And then it turns out that he's being asked before this happens to give it a, a walk on lecture. So he's in this other classroom and it's kind of a circular surround the professor kind of classroom. And he's in there and he's wandering around and he's got an Oxford black robe on who, who accept Oxford Don's wear's a professorial black robe. Dr Lee Merritt: We don't see that in this country, but it, but it's really creepy looking and it's got the big sleeves, you know, and you can make it, you know, so he's got that on and he's got dark hair and he looks like he could, you know, I bet he plays vampires in other movies. So, , he's [00:06:00] wandering around and he just happens to be an expert in Hitler. Dr Lee Merritt: So he throws Hitler's name down a few times. And then at the end, what does he do? He, he, he gets his robe on and he leans forward and he says, he walks to these students, he looks at me, he says, death, death, death. I mean, that, that's the scene out of the movie. You remember? That's, that sounds ridiculous. Dr Lee Merritt: This is the kind of thing they do. So it's, that's, that's the psyop part of it. Now, I, I will tell you too that the, the, I looked at the, when I started hearing all this, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. They're already talking about long-term toxicity. I haven't even heard what's in these train cars. Dr Lee Merritt: So I found on the, on the web you could find the manifest, you could find out what the railroad says was in those train cars. And if you look at what the, the list is of what the toxic things are . I mean, most of them, two of them were just not even to worry about. Okay. One of 'em was called Buttle Accolade, and that's the thing that they're showing you when they show this oily [00:07:00] surface kind of stuff. Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, if anybody's driven their car across their driveway or, or repeatedly, like go to a parking lot of a, of a gas station or something, and you'll see that, that, that if it's been raining or something, you'll see that little rainbow slick on the, on the water because that's what any hydrocarbon that doesn't mix with water will give you. Dr Lee Merritt: Right. And that's what this is, but it. God and the world have great rejuvenative powers. I mean, that's why he made it this way. We can really solve this. Just leave it alone. Because what you're seeing are these news reporters kicking up the bottoms of Little Creeks and stirring it with a stick to make that show up. Dr Lee Merritt: Just leave it alone. It deposits in the ground and it biodegrades over two weeks in the, in the, in the sun. It'll, it'll just evaporate out of the water or it just goes off to the side where it goes in the soil and biodegrades. So people are all upset about that, but they, the early on they were testing that downstream in the Ohio River, and it wasn't, it was really dilute already. Dr Lee Merritt: By then, it was diluting out. [00:08:00] So yes, short term problem, if you have a shallow well or you drink directly out of the Ohio River, I probably wouldn't do it for a while or ever, but , but you know, most people with a deep, well, that's not gonna be an issue, probably. I mean, it doesn't get in the aquifer. Now here's the next thing. Dr Lee Merritt: The next thing was ethylene glycol. and that, that's a big deal. Okay. Ethylene glycol is a big deal. It, it's, it's not good for the environment, but we all use it. It's antifreeze. And I mean, you're on a, you're on an air base, so what do they de-ice planes with? Oh, you're in, not in a place where it's icy, but in, if you were in, you know Alaska at the Air Force base, trust me, they'd be deicing planes and they use, they try to use ProPlan glycol cause it's not quite as toxic for the environment. Dr Lee Merritt: But when it's too cold, they have to use ethylene glycol. So everybody worried about this. Realize when you're flying out of a cold environment, you know, coming out of Winnipeg, Canada, for example, and it's 60 below zero, I guarantee you they're gonna [00:09:00] spray ethylene glycol into the environment all over the wings of that plane. Dr Lee Merritt: It's gonna, it's gonna flow down, it's going to work its way out. You know, when it rains and quits freezing, it's gonna work its way out into the grassy K Knowles on the side of the tarmac. And it's gonna, it's gonna be an issue in the environment, but it goes away eventually. Again, it biodegrades. . So what they're tr, so the one that they've kind of made a big deal about is vinyl chloride. Dr Lee Merritt: There were four tankers of vinyl chloride. Now it rolled over, but it didn't burn. Those tankers were intact. They did not burn. But, but vol, vinyl chloride is highly volatile. It is a, it is a volatile liquid that is so, it's very flammable. It could explode. And here you've got it laying on in this tank that you can't move. Dr Lee Merritt: What are you gonna do? I mean, I guess you could pump it out into another tank and move it, but that doesn't get rid of all the vinyl chloride in those tanks. It just gets rid of what you pump out. So they determined that they would do something and they were gonna burn it. Okay? They, they pumped it into a nearby ditch and they burned it, or they burned it in the car. Dr Lee Merritt: I can't [00:10:00] remember, but whatever they did, they burned it. And I will tell you what everybody's saying is, oh, oh, when you burned that, it turns into dioxin. Agent Orange, you know, like Vietnam. It's gonna get in the, it's gonna get in our water supply and our food and everything. . See, that's a mix, in my opinion. Dr Lee Merritt: Unless they purposely mixed it with, with old plastic sacks, you know, and PVC tubing. That doesn't happen to vinyl chloride. I've looked at the, at the actual OSHA and NIOSH and, what do you call it? There's a journal, I can't think of the name of the journal now, but it's a journal. I looked up what, what? Dr Lee Merritt: How they follow it. I mean, these guys do studies on this. They know about it. There are chemists out there doing this. And what they say about vinyl chloride is it turns into hydro hydrochloric acid and ultimately co2. It'll go through, it'll, it'll give off some fagen. Fagen is the World War I Gas, but it's, it, it, it disperses rapidly. Dr Lee Merritt: So it was only good in World War I in the trenches, you know, it didn't, it, it drops to the ground and it spreads out. It might have had some toxicity if you were [00:11:00] right around the burn right then, but it doesn't last for long cuz it's going to disperse in the atmosphere and be so dilute as to not be anything. Dr Lee Merritt: And it breaks down to carbon dioxide and hydrochloric acids. So at the end of the day when you burn vinyl chloride, you get hydrochloric acid now. Yes. Acid rain. People have heard about that. They've heard, you know, that was a problem when we were spewing out sulfuric acid outta the factories. We don't do that anymore. Dr Lee Merritt: You notice we don't talk about acid rate, we don't talk about deforestation or these acid lakes in, in Canada because we quit doing it. We just got the, we cleaned up the factories. So this is the difference. I tell people just in simple non-technical terms, okay, do you have a problem burning gasoline? And the answer is no. Dr Lee Merritt: It's a hydrocarbon, but you burn it because it burns clean. You could burn your, you could, you could light it a fly, a flame with your leaves in the yard. I don't recommend this with gasoline. And it would go poof, and you would not have toxicity from that gasoline, but try burning your [00:12:00] tires. So see you, you can make PVC as the problem with dioxin. Dr Lee Merritt: This is why when you burn trash, and it has P pro, it has polyvinyl chloride and, and the, and various different similar things in it, like making plastic bags, plastic cups. Who knows what, if you burn trash in the backyard, you're producing a little bit of dioxin. because it doesn't burn clean. It's, it's a mixed bag. Dr Lee Merritt: It just, it doesn't go poof. Vinyl chloride is like gasoline, your trash, and that, that's, that's like burning rubber tires. That's what gives you dioxide. Don't, don't do that. Don't burn it in your garden. I mean, if, don't, you know, people object when you burn, smelling, smelly rubber tires, they don't object to gasoline. Dr Lee Merritt: So there's a reason, and that's what's going on here. And I honestly think, what's the motive here? Because short-term toxicity isn't what they're looking for. They're going to, they want to convince people this is long-term toxicity, because where did this cloud go? They know what the wind pattern is. It goes east. Dr Lee Merritt: So the cloud went east, it went into the Ohio Basin, and it [00:13:00] went into the, the Amish farm country, the big farms in Ohio that are some of the beautiful productive farms in this country. And also that land has very rich minerals, very rich things under the soil. So, When, when my friend Pete Chambers and you know, Lieutenant Colonel Pete Chambers retired army, he went down there, I call him, by the way, I call him Action Jackson, because he's always on site Whenever there's something going on, he's there, Dr Lee Merritt: But he he went there and I asked him, I said, okay, Pete, are you seeing dead animals? No. Are you seeing, are you coughing and sneezing and are you seeing toxicity? And he said, not where I am. And I'm right under the cloud. I mean, where that cloud went. I'm talking to the Amish farmers, I'm talking to the non armies farmers, the ranchers. Dr Lee Merritt: They don't have any dead animals, and they're not seeing a problem. What they all set to a person, they said, th this happens all the time here. EPAs wants to take, you know, they want to take our land and we're not leaving. That's what he told me. And I think that's it. But I found another thing. I, I think I sent him this. Dr Lee Merritt: And I'll tell [00:14:00] you, I found another thing. That this could be, if you look at the, and this is the one thing I was trying to look up before we started, and I can't find where I put the note, but if you look at the, the code of federal regulations on, on using chemical and biologic agents against citizens within the nation. Dr Lee Merritt: In other words, the, the, the Secretary of Defense has come out and said, we don't use, it is not legal to experiment on the American people with chemical or biologic agents. It's not, it's not legal. Well, that sounds good. Good for them, except accept the exceptions. And then they have this whole list of exceptions. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, they have a whole list of exceptions. Now, the first group of exceptions, interestingly, is in case it's okay if you're doing experiments for agriculture, medicine, pharmacology, or you know, blah, blah, blah. So essentially they've already given them the out for everything. But one of the things that it's okay to, to experiment on us with is if you've been exposed to a toxic agent, Okay. Dr Lee Merritt: To use experimental things, okay. To experiment on on us if you've been [00:15:00] exposed to a toxic agent, so see, we can say now, well, we don't know exactly the outcome here, but you guys have all been exposed to these toxins. We recommend that we give you this experimental drug because we think you're gonna have a problem in the future. Dr Lee Merritt: That's now legitimate. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Does that law and have any removal of informed consent in it? Dr Lee Merritt: It, it, it talks about informed consent, but doesn't define. , it's supposed to be individual but doesn't define it. So again, if you have a moral belief that just telling you in general what's going to happen is enough. Dr Lee Merritt: Then they did it. Okay? They told us, oh, and they also prepared us three months before this thing in Ohio. They, they offered this whole program and you could see the chief of the EMT service or something. I think it was more fire chief talking, and they're saying how they want a hundred percent of the people to get this system because for $20 you can get a wristband and it carries your little q r s code that has all your data so we can really take better care of [00:16:00] you. Dr Lee Merritt: You couldn't pay me to get one of those things , you know? And why three months ago did they do it in East Palestine? . You see, you can't make this up. I mean, anybody paying attention, we should not, we should not all just allow ourselves to be tricked. Again, when we saw what, what, what Covid was, COVID wasn't a disease. Dr Lee Merritt: It was a program, and they rolled it out over decades and they, they told you what they were gonna do. They, they, they, they built infrastructure years ahead of time. They, you know, we, Richard Rothchild has the patent in 2015 for Covid 19 testing. And the, and the fact checkers, by the way, came out and said, oh no, that's, that's, he's not, that, he's not one of the rothchilds. Dr Lee Merritt: Well, I don't care if he is or not. The point is, in two, in, in international and our National Patent Office, it shows up as Covid 19 testing. Now, I remember when they were pretending to choose the name Covid 19, in December of 2019. Okay? Don't tell me they had the name in 2015. So that's all it was all just [00:17:00] Kabuki theater. Dr Lee Merritt: And that's what's happening here. , it's kabuki theater because here's another reason in the time that this has happened, now there are things that are worrisome when you have chemical plant fires. That's not a con, that's not a I wouldn't say it's controlled burn, but they called it that. But basically a, a, a think about if you didn't have a controlled burn, just let it sit there and the thing went exploded. Dr Lee Merritt: That's an uncontrolled burn. Okay? So putting it in addition than burning it is still more controlled. But it, at the same time this is happening. There's a big chemical fire in Russia. You wonder what happened there. And there's a big chemical fire in Texas going on chemical plant fire that just got over, I think. Dr Lee Merritt: But see, that's a mixed bag. You don't know what's burning. You don't know what's mixing together. I find that much more concerning, but you're not hearing anything about it. In fact, how many people know that in November of 2022, I think it was November, that they had the, the Illinois National Guard was called out because of a big chemical plant fire in rock. Dr Lee Merritt: Ford, I think it was Rockford, [00:18:00] Illinois. I mean, they called out the National Guard. They thought it was a big deal. And see, we never heard about that. So we're being told, you know, some things, but we're not being, you know, we have to keep the big picture in mind. Don't trust these guys. That's the big picture. Dr Lee Merritt: Don't trust them, what they're telling you. And I, I think this is going to turn out, I, I'm with Pete Chambers and and, and Kesteren from Bards fm. He, Scott Kesteren, he told me this too. He think they, they both think this is a land acquisition plan. . Remember BLM burning down the cities in the summer? Dr Lee Merritt: You know, that's like that ex FEMA or the Catherine Austin Fitz. And she was showing that when she actually looked at the places that were burning, they weren't random. They were all in these special tax zones where the big guys could buy this stuff up at a song and get some tax benefit and it would, it, it aided their land acquisition. Dr Lee Merritt: She said it, it wasn't random looting, it was land acquisition. And I think that's what we're seeing here. Catherine Austin Fitz. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I went to med school in Ohio [00:19:00] and one thing that, that everybody knew about is in the 1970s, I think it was the Cuyahoga River, it caught on fire. So, I mean, this is not, you know, unfortunately we haven't been always the best stewards in that area of the world. Dr Lee Merritt: But they're coming after the Amish who are, and I think that's another, that's another sidelight here. You know, these are the two Amish farmers that one of 'em I know got fined like $220,000. They tried to set, shut down his farming operation because why? Because he wouldn't vaccinate his cattle and he wouldn't do some of the other stuff. Dr Lee Merritt: And he wanted to sell raw dairy stuff. There's a lot of evidence coming out now that raw milk is safer than pasteurized milk for giving. It doesn't give you the autoimmune disease and other problems. So, and I, I didn't really look into all that, but that's what I've heard that that's coming out. And I know a lot of people that they can't drink regular milk. Dr Lee Merritt: They say they have milk allergy, but they can do the raw milk. So I'm not here to argue that one way or another, but I'm just pointing. He was doing that and they shut him down and tried [00:20:00] to find him, but he won in court at least a, at least a preliminary thing. I don't know if it's finalized, but both of these guys, I think, won in court. Dr Lee Merritt: So now we are in a situation where they can't destroy our food supply by vaccinating our cattle. They were gonna do that. And, and I'm gonna tell you, that's the big, the big play here, besides land acquisition. The big play is depopulation and control. And how did they, you know, we've seen it over and over, and, and you probably know this, I, I had a, an ex-husband who was a marine colonel, and he always used to say, at the end of the day, warfare is about. Dr Lee Merritt: Calorie control about who c who has the calories. Because if you can feed your own people, you can withstand a long siege. If you can't, if the other guy can't feed his, he can't you know, it's like who can build weapons in, in Europe right now, only the Russians. Everybody else doesn't have a power. So, so that's what's going on. Dr Lee Merritt: And in, in the BOLs, the same people giving us this show are the same people that took down Christian Russia by the Bolsheviks. And how did they finally do it? They had to kill the most productive [00:21:00] farmers, the oxs that were very independent. So I see that. This is, this is step one towards that. I mean, they're not killing us yet, but they're, they, they, they've tried to get us off our land through all these nonsensical, you know, floodplain all sorts of stuff. Dr Lee Merritt: Artificial flooding of the Missouri River. I believe in that. It's crazy stuff that's been happening around here and, you know, requiring all these things that are very expensive, but the farmers are hanging on. And we should all support our local farmers because that's our food supply. You might think you get it from the local grocery store, but they wanna starve you and you don't. Dr Lee Merritt: If you, if the local farmer goes down, you're not gonna get it from these industrial farmers like Bill Gates because he's gonna use his land for something else and he's gonna give you home lab grown made with human cells, cannibalistic meat. I suspect, you know, that's what you don't want. So we have to really stand up. Dr Lee Merritt: And for our food supply Dr. Sam Sigoloff: or the Beyond Burger, which is toxic plant sludge You and I were kind of [00:22:00] talking about this earlier, about you know, you recently had a tragedy with your chickens, but you're repopulating your chickens. I recently got some chickens, and this is, this might be a good time to think about getting animals around your house if you can't, not animals for, for pleasure, but animals that can provide for you, whether it be a goat, a cow, chickens. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, you can eat the chickens. You can eat the eggs. You can eat the eggs until they quit laying. Then you eat the chicken. And we even discussed, Dr Lee Merritt: although layers, layer hands, if they're, they're toughest, they're toughest leather, you don't want to eat those. But if you're desperate, you would . Yeah, they're toughest suit I in good soup. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. . And then we even discussed a little bit, and I, I'd like to mention this a little bit, but cuz I have a freeze dryer and I believe you do too. But a way to preserve your food. And this isn't supposed to be a commercial, I am an recent affiliate of harvest. Right. Only because I truly believe in their equipment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think it's great. Actually right now, I'm earlier today, I, I, I started onions and garlic to use as my own seasonings. That way I don't have to buy whatever it comes from China. I can either [00:23:00] grow it myself or buy organic and I can chop it up, freeze, dry it, powderize it, and I can use it on, on my food. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, that's a great idea. You know, and I will tell you a secret if you haven't done it yet, I, now, I didn't do it with onions and garlic, but I was thinking about other spices. So I have lots of nice things, like I grow oregano and basal and you know, all the different things, parsley. And so one year I thought, now I figured out how to do it, but the first year I tried to do it, I put it in my harvest, right on the trays and I had it all down there, got it really dry, and I have my harvest right in a shed. Dr Lee Merritt: And I walked out of the shed with this tray of freeze dried basal, and poof, it blew away , you know, that's, in fact, I had two of 'em and my friend had two of 'em, and they all floor blew away. It was a complete, wasted lo load, you know, . I was like, oh my gosh, how stupid. So now I just put 'em right into sacks, right at the time. Dr Lee Merritt: Don't even touch the stuff. I just put it right in there, crumple it in the sacks, and you have beautiful dry you don't even have to freeze 'em, you just could just kind of keep 'em on your shelf. So it's great. I also do eggs. [00:24:00] You could freeze dry eggs, you can do eight dozen at a time. . That's awesome. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. On four, on the four tray system, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I did some eggs before we did one of our PCSs, and then three years after I preserved him and freezed dried him and stuck him away, we opened it up. It was still delicious. My, I couldn't get my son to stop eating it. It was so good, and I wouldn't want to because it's a strong food. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. Now did you make them in like scrambled eggs? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I scrambled them and put some cheese. And they were, Dr Lee Merritt: yeah, that's what I do too. And honestly, they're very good, but they're very rich because you're probably, you know, it's like one of those trays is two dozen. So what I have in a little tiny package is essentially two dozen eggs. Dr Lee Merritt: Normally your son doesn't get to eat two dozen eggs all at once. So he got a lot of, lot of good calories. That's what you tend to eat more, I think, when you do it that way, because you don't dilute it out completely like it was. But they're. Yeah. Now I tried, I, by the way, I also tried glassing eggs and that, that's it. Dr Lee Merritt: It works, but it's not as, it's, it's, if you did it for [00:25:00] just a short period of time it's okay. I tried to do it now. I, I've done it. These are year old that are in my Crocs right now. I've had one bad egg. But th they're fine. You can fry 'em. Like those are good for making a fried egg, but they're not, when you're spoiled by home raised chicken eggs, the whites kind of just splay out and they're not, they're a little more like old store eggs, you know? Dr Lee Merritt: But again, we're talking about for a contingency. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. This is a, this is a technique where you put 'em in a jar with lime. Not, not the, the lime, like the, the fruit, but the, the powder lime. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, the powdered lime powdered pickling lime. And there's a, a poor proportion, I think it's a quarter cup. Quarter cup of that per quart. Dr Lee Merritt: And you just mix it up, puts your, put it in your crock, and then just. Slowly put these things down and if you crack one, you want to take that out. Don't you have, and you can't. This has, you cannot use store bought eggs. These have to be right from the chicken. So, you know, what I would do is just, if, if I had chickens, this is what I would do. Dr Lee Merritt: [00:26:00] Cuz I, these are my hypothetical chickens. But what I would do is I would take them. Yeah. Well, because technically in town they're illegal. So in my hypothetical chickens, on my eight and a half acres of undevelopable, Timberland , I, I carefully layer them down and I , I pick out the, under the chicken, I pick out, I would pick out the ones that had no, nothing, no, no poop on it or anything. Dr Lee Merritt: They're clean, they, they look clean to the eye. And then I would use those cuz you can't wash 'em. You gotta put 'em right in there. . Yeah. This is like hypothetical chickens is like not telling anybody to use chlorine dioxide, but if I were, if it were me, I'd do it. You know, , I use it, but I don't recommend it cause I don't wanna go to jail Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right, right, right. And, and when you have your own laying eggs at home, they when they first lay, you don't wanna wash 'em because they have like, there's a film or something on the egg that helps preserve the egg on the shelf for a very long period of time. But if you wash 'em, they need to go in the fridge cuz it takes that off and does something to the pores in the egg and changes it.[00:27:00] Dr Lee Merritt: But I do say, here's the thing about that. The problem is that if it rains or your chicken's, you know, it's muddy or something. Those, those things, you don't wanna put 'em in your refrigerator like that. They just look terrible. I mean, they're covered with dirt and chicken shit. You know, I don't, so I, I don't wash 'em with soap or anything, but I do, I do just go like that. Dr Lee Merritt: I put 'em, when I come in, I just put 'em in water and I let 'em soak a little bit and then I just kind of rub 'em with my hands and that's enough. But they last for six weeks. That way they'll last forever. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right? And the reason why two doctors are talking about food and sustainability is because you need to have food at your house. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, they can't make that any more clear. You need to have food for you, your family, and if you're able to, you need to have it for your local community as well, for whoever as far out as you can reach. If it just be your neighbors, a couple more neighbors down the street if you have capacity to have many chickens, now is the time to do it, because the next year may be rough. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hopefully I'm wrong, but it never hurts to be self. . [00:28:00] Dr Lee Merritt: And, you know, my grandparents they didn't call it prepping. It's so funny. I, you know, when I started hearing that term prepping, you know, a number of years ago, I thought, what are they talking about? Because in my lifetime, that's just what we called being an Iowan. Dr Lee Merritt: Everybody stored food. Everybody knew how to can, everybody had a garden, everybody stored food. Many people in town had chickens in those days. That's just the way it was. And, you know, in World War ii, it's good to note that in World War ii, 50, almost 50% of the food that was produced during times of rationing, remember they had rationing in World War ii, like butter and things. Dr Lee Merritt: 50% of the wor of the, of the food produced during World War II were done in Liberty Gardens, people's backyard gardens, even in the city. So people should realize that everybody should be doing this, and it can, it can make the difference between saving your community. I'm kind of shocked at how few people in, in rural areas anymore know, know these skills. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And, and they could very well save your life. It's good to learn them now and, and [00:29:00] practice it before you need to know it. Dr Lee Merritt: And then we get into the issue of protection of your property and family, like the, what we're seeing with these overreach of government agencies. And I have to tell you, this is, this is sounds crazy and I've heard this for years, and I never, I never, I just thought it was just too, , yeah. Dr Lee Merritt: About the national, about being a state national and not, and, and what was really happening with our government. So I've been saying ever since Covid that we're, what, what we're watching in Washington DC is kabuki theater. It's just not making sense. Ever since the so-called Biden inauguration, I said, that's, that it's not optically. Dr Lee Merritt: Right. And, and I'm sure you noticed it. I mean, the military wasn't right. The, the whole procedure wasn't right. I said, something is not right here. And lots of things have been wrong. I mean, the, so, I gotta say, and, and Washington, DC I, I understand there are only two buildings downtown. I used to live there. Dr Lee Merritt: Went to the Pentagon all the [00:30:00] time, went to these embassy parties. It's a, usually it's a, it's like the, it's like Las Vegas. Like there's a city that never sleeps. It's, or the New York, the city of the left. It's like Washington DC does that too. There are always people moving around that capitol. It's dead. Dr Lee Merritt: And if you look at pictures now, the, it's all empty down there. It's dead. And I understand from people on the ground, there are only two buildings open, the treasury and the visitors center to the White House. So what's going on here? Well, I'll tell you. So I, I first went down this rabbit hole because I spoke at Red Pill and I, and I was listing G Edward Griffin's program, red Pill. Dr Lee Merritt: And it's really a great, if you ever have a chance to go to one. And I, I was standing waiting to speak, so I'm behind the screen and a guy named Payman Malti was speaking on the law about income taxes and what income taxes really are all about. And I listened to him and I said, you've got to be kidding me. Dr Lee Merritt: That was my. You know, the opening salvo to my kind of waking up to, maybe this is true, that our [00:31:00] government's fraudulent because what he explains is that you have a huge book of tax code, okay? And when you go to your tax attorney, which I had as a spine surgeon, I had a tax attorney, I had accountant, you know, I had an office manager. Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, my bill paying was went on forever. , really, they're just dealing with the tax code. They're not dealing with congressional law. So when you read the congressional law, here's what it says, and this is kind of crazy, but this is what it says. It says that, you know, in every, in every aspect of the tax code, they define their terms. Dr Lee Merritt: And only these terms apply. This was actually adjudicated at the Supreme Court level. That common length, common use of the language does not apply. It's what we tell you in these terms for this legal position. And this is what we tell you on, on taxes. So for example, in the paragraph on oil exploration, it says if you're going to explore for oil in the United States or these territories, you have to pay a tax.[00:32:00] Dr Lee Merritt: And for the purpose of this paragraph, the United States is defined as the 50 states the, the 50 states of the union, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it names the states. Okay? Then you get down to the paragraph on internal revenue, the federal income tax. Okay. And it says, for the purpose of this paragraph. Dr Lee Merritt: And these definitions are the only ones that apply, not, not any other definitions, any other part of this document, only for this paragraph, and no other common use of the language tells you that again. Okay? And then it says all citizens of the United States are subject to the federal income tax. And the, the all citizens of the United States and District of Columbia are fed subject to the federal income tax. Dr Lee Merritt: For this purpose, the United States is defined as the District of Columbia. . So , essentially it says only pe. It says people that are living or are working for businesses. Home boarded in the District of Columbia. So if you're, if you're a member of the post office, if [00:33:00] you're working for the post office, the work, you're in the military, you're subject to the income tax cuz your business is headquarters is home imported in the District of Columbia. Dr Lee Merritt: But for the rest of us that aren't, aren't working for the District of Columbia and don't live in the District of Columbia, the income, the federal income tax does not apply to us. And this was looked at by multiple IRS agents. You can find these videos now are coming out with these IRS agents. They took up the $60,000 challenge to try and. Dr Lee Merritt: The income tax was required and they couldn't do it, and they quit and they show these, they, they give their testimony on video. Now they help people. You know, that's what's going on. It's, it's, it's a, it's, it may be even creepier than that. The next step is this whole issue of do we really have a federal government, like we think we do, because, In 1861, I just, I, again, I'm, I'm not a lawyer, but I can read. Dr Lee Merritt: And in 1861 it is true, 11 states left. The, this is in the congressional record. 11 states left these, the [00:34:00] congress because those states were seceding from the union, right? So yet 1861 Abraham Lincoln, the SI 11 states leave. There's no quorum. That means the Congress did not have a quorum. So now that, that, there's a term sin, ADA or something as s i n e space, d i e and that, and basically the, the Congress never adjourned and they never reconvened. Dr Lee Merritt: So to run the government Abraham Lincoln had to evoke, invoke the emergency War Powers Act. And so it's being run under executive direction, under the War Powers Act ever since. That apparently is true in fact. It's the, the 14th Amendment then was not ratified. And that's a big, they're, you can look this up yourself. Dr Lee Merritt: It's in the congressional record. They have this, I think it was from Louisiana. These congressmen from Louisiana are there, and they're discussing this and they're saying the 14th Amendment was not [00:35:00] ratified. And, and what it was for was to financially take over the workings of the federal government. Dr Lee Merritt: And they, they go through this whole thing, but it's like three pages in the, in the federal record. So they did in fact discuss this. I looked this all up and, and so I've been kind of going down that it's amazing. It's amazing. So w we may have a sham government that has been kabuki theater for a very long time. Dr Lee Merritt: That's shocking to most people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I remember one thing about this line of thought is, and everybody go, you know, don't take my word for it, but go look at all of your, your documents that have anything to do with money, your banking statements, your credit card statements, and look at your name. It's not the traditional way of spelling your name. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not a capital letter. And then go to lowercase and then a capital letter, and then go to lowercase. It's all caps. Dr Lee Merritt: And apparently that started at this time. Now, in 1871, that's when it got corporatized, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: right? Or it's the corporate, the straw man [00:36:00] of, of your body. And I take responsibility for the straw man. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But if I don't take responsibility, then I'm not responsible for what the straw man has to do. And as a human, an actual living sovereign human, I don't need to take responsibility for what the straw man takes responsibility for. Dr Lee Merritt: Right. And so the Americans in Action are giving a seminar in Des Moines, Iowa on April 1st and second. Dr Lee Merritt: I'm gonna go, I, I'm gonna learn about this because I, just, for fun, I, I listen to one of their lectures and I, they, they, they do a repu, they talk about doing a repudiation of getting yourself out of the corporation. I'm not repudiating being an American. I'm a proud American. I'm a patriot. I, I, I love my country, but I don't wanna be a member of the Corpor. Dr Lee Merritt: I wanna follow this, if you know, and the United Yeah, that's right. I'm under the Constitution, so, you know, and I'm, and I'm a living, breathing child of God. I'm not a corporate entity that's dead according to them. So if that's all true, I mean, what you do is you write a repudiation to the federal government, and [00:37:00] what they're saying is that people that have done this and have asked to have their passport status changed because now they're a state citizen, they're a state sovereign, or state national is what they call it. Dr Lee Merritt: When you are, you know, the state of Texas is different than the state of Nebraska. We are separate countries that, you know, interact, but we are not the same. We are not under the same government. We are under a confederation essentially. So what happens is when you do that and you repudiate this, this corporate citizenship, your, you get diploma, you get limited diplomatic immunity applied to your passport. Dr Lee Merritt: And the people that have done this said, whoa, you can't see it different. It looks the same, but you give it to, if you have a friend on the sheriff's department that can run your passport, they'll go, whoa, who are you? That's what, that's what Christo's Hartman that gives this lecture said, so I haven't done it yet. Dr Lee Merritt: I'm just, but I will tell you the spiritual journey. I decided I, they have these examples of these letters of repudiation. So I took one of these and that's how I got into this. I started reading what she had written, [00:38:00] and then I verified every fact that she had put in there and a couple I couldn't verify. Dr Lee Merritt: So I didn't, I left them outta my letter. But it, it really, you put down there is what you're asking for is to be out of the corporation and to be considered a, you know, I'm, I'm declaring my, my. Nationhood with my state of blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it does all that. And then it tells you the reasons why. Just like the declaration of independent writers wrote the, the reasons, okay. Dr Lee Merritt: And we certainly have the same reasons in some of the cases, like when they said that that King George had sent out his minions, hither and thither to, you know, harass and tax the people and eat out their life's blood. It sounds just like what's happening with all this overregulation now. But I read what she had written and I started just thinking about my own and I'd been hurting. Dr Lee Merritt: I heard in this lecture that they give Americans an action, that it's a spiritual journey, writing this letter. And I thought, how could that be? You know, but didn't. But any case, I'll do it. I'll just see what it does. I started writing and I started writing my points about why I wanted to get out of it. Dr Lee Merritt: And [00:39:00] suddenly it really was, it's like my soul popped open and I said, oh my gosh, I cannot live in this, this fraud again, I cannot take part in this because first of all, I don't wanna, this is what I realized just on the federal income tax part. I asked a guy down at Red Pill, I, who's got a lot of money, I said, are you doing this? Dr Lee Merritt: And he said, morally, I just can't give these bastards my money anymore. And I, and I, I kind of, I, yeah, I I took that to heart. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, it's not staying here, it's being used to kill children. It's being used to go to Ukraine and fight wars that we want nothing to do with, to, to, to poke a guy in the face and to start a nuclear war. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Nobody wants that. You know, I think just recently, and I don't know if this is a deep fake video, but with the guy over in Ukraine, he said, you know, your children, your, your boys and girls will come over here and die for us. No, we won't. . No, we won't, we will not do that. I guarantee it. Right. Dr Lee Merritt: I was, yeah. I don't think we're gonna put up with a draft to go do that. Dr Lee Merritt: And I don't think their boys should die for it either. that, that's a whole nother ugly [00:40:00] story. What's really going on over there? That's another we could talk about sometime, cuz that's really ugly. Including the fact that Ukraine is the biggest seller of body parts. It's a big body parts sex trafficking, adrenal krome, everything. Dr Lee Merritt: But what's happening actively as we speak, as the, as these Ukrainian young men are sacrificed by NATO on the battlefield, there's a company called the Mozart Group and they're over getting their body parts. They're harvesting organs from these guys that are maybe dead, maybe almost dead. You know what I mean? Dr Lee Merritt: And the mothers in Ukraine are like, mothers everywhere are saying, where's my son's body? Well, they just harvested their organs and, and disposed of them. That's what's, that's what's happening. We don't wanna be any part of that. And that's what I'm saying. That's why, that's why I think this is really important that people understand we are not under a constitutional government anymore. Dr Lee Merritt: We're under a rogue foreign state essentially. And there, you know, when, if real human beings ever wanted to fight each other [00:41:00] and kill each other, you know I mean, Christian ministers in this country have been proselytized to believe that they should support Ukraine, when in fact they're rounding up Christian priests and ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. Dr Lee Merritt: And, and on the other hand, 30,000 churches have stood up under Putin in, in Russia. They're not being told the truth here, what's going on. But that's why I think this is important. I, I think that everybody should look at this and think about it because you, you're not gonna lose anything. It looks like you're actually gonna gain. Dr Lee Merritt: And for you and me, by the way, here's the other thing, is, When you look at the, and I would love to have you do this in your state medical boards. Okay. They just decided, by the way, to, to drop their investigation on me after I wrote the chief of the board. And I said, why are you investigating me for what the governor is saying, , you know, I was saying the same thing. Dr Lee Merritt: Don't mandate the military, but too late. But what, what the point though is, is that the medical board, I can't find where it's being paid by our state legislature, but I can tell you it might be that I [00:42:00] can't find it, but I've got some people out looking for that. But what I can tell you is the legislature has no legislative authority over the medical board. Dr Lee Merritt: they claim they did that so that there would be no interference. That was political. Well, of course it's still political. It's just you let this foreign agent do it. So, so now we don't have legislative control over it. The governor can't control it. So it's n it's without any elected official control in my state. Dr Lee Merritt: And then it, you discover that it's being manipulated and actually can be fined if it doesn't do the bidding of the Federation of State Medical Boards. Now, the Federation of State Medical Boards, all that's, I always thought it was just a big lobbying thing in, in DC and that's bad enough. It's a corporation that is incorporated in the state of Texas. Dr Lee Merritt: So it's an international corporation. This international corporation. We have a member from Iowa who's also practicing medicine in New Zealand and the F S M B is telling his board to thump him in New Zealand. So it's using the same [00:43:00] words all around the world. This, this organization that is. That is incorporated in Texas. Dr Lee Merritt: So what what it says to me is that this is an A, we have a foreign agent in our state granting or prohibiting the practice of medicine. What, what's their jurisdiction? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just got a letter from the Texas Medical Board just this past week saying that I have to go before a litigation council. I gave them a letter from the government, from Department of Health Agency saying that my privileges were restored and it never should have been, never should have been reported to the National Practitioner Data Bank. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And now, after getting that letter, I have to go before litigation. Dr Lee Merritt: Well, no you don't. Maybe , maybe you should, maybe, because here's what I'm gonna, here's what I would recommend. I'm not saying I'm a lawyer, but just consider this. See, I wrote to, I did my, I thought I was, you [00:44:00] know, This was legal and they were under, they had the jurisdiction and all this kind of stuff, and I thought it mattered. Dr Lee Merritt: So I kept writing. Every time they'd ask me for information, I'd send it to 'em. I didn't send 'em patient charts, but I sent them my information, why I did this and what, why I believed about this and that, and the other thing and why I said this. And I did that several times. This went on over a year and a half, and finally I realized that every letter that had come to me was signed by a, a police investigator, not a doctor, not a member of the board, a police investigator that sits on the board. Dr Lee Merritt: And when you go and appear before the board, like, I haven't done that, but I've had friends that do it. Who runs the meeting. It's not a doctor, it's the assistant attorney general of the state. In many kind cases I've seen, I've been on three of these and three states did this. Okay. I think Merrill NASS just went against for the fourth time as brought up in front of Maine. Dr Lee Merritt: So the point I'm making is, are the doctors on the board even aware of the investigations going on? Is [00:45:00] who pays for the federal investigator or this, this special investigator, which we never had them in my whole time in medicine. I've never seen these guys before. They just showed up a few years ago. We, who are they? Dr Lee Merritt: Where did they come from? Who pays them and what gives them the authority to do these investigations? So I wanted to know for sure that the chairman of the board actually knew what was going on. So, out of courtesy, you know, I wrote a letter surgeon to surgeon. I said, you know, Dr. So-and-so, do you know that I'm just a, I'm just writing you as a courtesy because I want to make sure that you're in the loop. Dr Lee Merritt: In all fairness, I did wanna make sure that he was in the loop. That he wasn't just, you know, volunteering his time again, thinking he's a good guy, that he's doing his job for the state and he's a, you know, a doctor with a lot of standing in the state and he should do a as cuz you don't get paid much. Dr Lee Merritt: And it's just a courtesy kind of thing to be on the board. So I just said, why you realize they're coming after me for what the governor has [00:46:00] just requested of the Biden administration not to mandate the military, have any mandated vaccines. And that's all I was saying. When you're, you're, you're, it's about speech. Dr Lee Merritt: It's not about patient care. , right? So maybe it's worth a letter, you know, to the chairman of the board who's a physician, the guy who's the physician. Because what they don't realize is that they, they are violating civil rights under the color, color of law. And that's a, that's an offense. You can, that's a codified offense. Dr Lee Merritt: And in, in, when that, in certain cases when that has to do with civil rights that lead to people's death it's, it's a very severely punishable offense. So they shouldn't be involved in this. Our fellow physicians have to understand their culpability about being involved in all this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's a great point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'll talk to my lawyer about that and and see if I can do that. Cuz it seems like no doctor is aware of what's going. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. Here's something [00:47:00] else you learn. Interestingly, I learned this from Carrie Maday. That's the, she's the person that got me down on this, doing the state national and introducing these people. Dr Lee Merritt: So anyway, it turns out that, let's say you're, let's say you are gonna go to jail for battery, I don't know, you know, assault and battery or something. You have, there are three people that sign your confinement paperwork. The judge, the prosecuting attorney and your attorney, and they all get paid. Even if you lose the case, it turns out that there's money that changes hands to your attorney who's defending you, even when you lose the case. Dr Lee Merritt: So, are they acting in your interest, you know, or they acting just to get these cases checked through. And, you know, if you're a member of the bar, the bar stands for British. Agency registration. I believe the think the is agency, British Agency Registration. In other words, they've actually, it's not something for [00:48:00] America. Dr Lee Merritt: It's under our courts are under the British law courts. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that under the, our, because I've heard of the city of London and how that's different than the actual capital London. Dr Lee Merritt: Right. There, there are three cities that, right, and that's, that's part of this. The, when the corp, when, when, when, after 1861, when the Co Congress disbanded in 1871, we went bankrupt. Dr Lee Merritt: And that's when the corporation started and that's when they, they essentially took over DC and there are three cities that don't, that don't follow the, they're not under the law of the country in which they reside. The Vatican City is not an Italian. That's a separate state. They consider that. And that's the one we knew about, that we always thought it was kind of cute and weird that it was a separate country within a country there , and then you have the city of London, which is like a square mile area within the city of London, within London, the city of London. Dr Lee Merritt: Even the Queen has to get permission, or the King now has to get permission to go into, it's where all the banks are. [00:49:00] Okay, so all the international banks are, and then the the Washington dc which again, that's why there's no voting there. It's not, it's a city of power in this corporation within our national borders, but it's not under the law of the national borders, which is why I think, I suspect that, see, because constitutional law doesn't matter there. Dr Lee Merritt: It matters in your states, but not there. That's probably why the J six ERs are still stuck there. They can hold them in these federal prisons. They're, it's a lawless area. I was gonna go out, I, I told Courtney Turner's does a podcast. I said, you know, if this thing hasn't sorted itself out, if what, what's happening in the country hasn't sorted itself out by the midterms, we should go out like middle of October and just go and walk around DC and see what's going on. Dr Lee Merritt: Take photographs, take videos, do man on the street interviews. Just figure out firsthand what's going on. Because in a CGI world, that's the only way you really know what's going on. But, you know, later when it got closer to the time I said, you know what, I don't [00:50:00] feel like we should do that because I figured it out. Dr Lee Merritt: And that's a foreign, that's a foreign state without laws. That, that if we can be held, like just, if I go to, to, to Borneo and, and run afoul of the law there, good luck. I don't have any way of, you know, it's not under my constitution, it's their laws. So I think that's what we've got going on. and it's crazier that, I mean, what does that say? Dr Lee Merritt: I, I, I will also say that, you know, because you're active duty and I was active duty military for almost 10 years, and I gotta say I'm a little bit distressed when I go on. Like, I was on a podcast the other day and I kind of sent 'em a kind of a snippy little reply. Not a podcast, but I, I one of these big email things from a lot of different people and they're saying it's the military that did this vaccine. Dr Lee Merritt: Not the, not Pfizer. They didn't start it, it was the military. Yeah. And I said, you know what? I just want to make sure that you understand. I'd like you to guys to stop saying it's the military. It [00:51:00] wasn't the military, it wasn't the fine people. I, I was with. It's not me, it's not Dr. Siegel off or Dr. Chase. Dr Lee Merritt: It's not you guys. It's some deep, dark. Red faction, we'll call 'em for not, that's within our government and they probably own darpa. They probably are the big movers in some of these programs, but it's not the military. And just keep that in mind. Not to mention that there could be, there could be parts of our military that are part of this, some more than others, and some people more obvious than others. Dr Lee Merritt: But there are a lot of very fine military people that are, I think, in the background. I do think there's something going on. I don't think this is a, it's certainly not a monolithic thing. And I think if the military in general recognized the lie here, there'd, there'd be a we'd, we'd be. looking at some heart to heart problems that we'd be having right now. Dr Lee Merritt: I don't know, but I think, I personally think that there's the, the look, we know that we're, we've trained with the Russians, they've trained with us. The Russians are cha trained in with the [00:52:00] Chinese

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I am truly grateful to be able to introduce my next guest. Most of y'all have heard of him before, but it's retired Lieutenant Colonel. Dave Grossman and I'm probably gonna keep calling you, sir. I know you keep telling me to call you Dave, but it's, it's just a huge respect thing and I'm very, I'm kind of Fanboying fan being a fanboy over here and I apologize, but it's, it's just an amazing blessing to be able to talk to you cuz the Lord has given you a voice and allowed you to reach far and wide. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if, if you're not familiar with retired Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, he kind of coined the term sheepdog. Many of us use that who are protectors and he's, I mean, obviously he didn't make up the term cuz. Is the name of dog, but he brought that analogy about and made. As famous as it is today. So, sir, I [00:02:00] wanna thank you so much for joining me today. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Thanks, Sam. And, and, and I'm just wanted to be on board with you and your listeners and it's kind of cool to hear the whole Patreon thing and the battle is ongoing and you're in the front lines and right up front. I wanna say that I, I support you. I've made a similar decision on my own life, but I certainly have not had to, to pay such a price for it. ret LTC Dave Grossman: But let's lay a foundation, if you don't mind. You know, not everybody listening here is coming from that same perspective, but we're we're believers. And and is one, you know, common denominator we share. And one of my more recent books is on Spiritual Combat, a Christian book award finalist. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, the end, we're a battle against forces of evil. And here's the thing to understand. You know, you keep your eye on the horizon. Sooner or later, our nation will fall over our dead bodies. You know, that all nations end eventually a hundred years, a thousand years. Sooner or later, our son will die. ret LTC Dave Grossman: but eternity continues. So keep your eye on the ball. All these things that are happening you know, the, the eternal dynamic is really the important one. And never let the [00:03:00] world drag you down. Never lose track that you know, the world says you know, that, that you know, that, that, that it, life is hard and then you die. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And we said, no, you know, to live its Christ and a die is gain, you know? And and we've chosen our position and we won't be worn down by the world. And we look at that big picture that waits out there for us. And and, and I kind of wanted to lay a foundation for you on the aspect of this whole battle that I don't know if you're aware of, and, and I was kind of looking through some of your password, Sam, but do you know how general officers are selected? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have no idea. But I would imagine you first have to have a frontal phlebotomy before you're, you can qualify. ret LTC Dave Grossman: I , I, I didn't know I was outta the army for a while before I looked it up. They are nominated by the president and approved by the Senate, just like federal judges or ambassadors. And, and, and you gotta realize that that's the law. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Now what, what, what happened was, you know, you, if you're a military historian at all, When you look at [00:04:00] the Civil War, you really look through a different lens when you look at that political dynamic of appointing generals and the way they played the game. But then around World War I, the, they began to say, who are we? ret LTC Dave Grossman: Decide who should be generals, you know, and the admiral. So the services nominated it. Then the president and the Senate kind of rubber stamped it. They always kept their finger in, and the law still says that they're the ones making the call. So for, for a half a long time, you know, they've just kind of rubber stamped it and, and trusted the military, keeping a finger in the equation. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And then Bill Clinton becomes president on the very first day. Hillary says, who are these effing guys? And f uniforms from my effing house, you know? And and it had this clash on the very first day. And, and throughout their, her entire time, she never wanted to see anybody in uniform. I've had this story over and over again. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Police in uniform, military, in uniform. You know, the, the first lady's coming down the hallway, we need you, anybody in uniform, we need to get on the hallway. Don't wanna see that over and over again. You know, it's says a sick thing. And so [00:05:00] Clinton began to play the game harder than anybody seen it a long time. ret LTC Dave Grossman: That was in during that time, I got out in in on terminal leave in 97, kind of finally punched the clock at 98, and Clinton was president. The Cold War was over. And, you know, my, my job was done. But back in those days, the word was out. If you wanted to have stars, you had to be pragmatic, put your politics in your pocket, put your religion in your pocket. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, you had to be pragmatic or, and, and it's like, like this great number of liberal colonels to draw from. But they really did play the game hard. And then Bush is president for eight years and eight years of Clinton Generals kind of, kind of nominated eight years of Bush generals. And then Obama played the game for eight years. ret LTC Dave Grossman: The hardest had played in a long time. Now you and I know there's some great generals out there, some great men and women, but they have been put through a left wing filter for 24 years and, and we don't realize. [00:06:00] You know, we, we talk about deep state, we talk about the battle for federal judges. We don't realize that we, that there's been a battle going. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We didn't even know it was there. And, and they've been out on the field making touchdowns. And we had even on the field, and we know we have to fight for federal judges now, you know, we know we have to fight for Supreme Court justices, but nobody told us we had to fight for gen. Now there's some magnificent men and women who are there, but they have really been, been in, in the process. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And now, you know, a lot of the VAX mandate. , well, Here's a great chance to purge our ranks of all these extremists. Here's our chance to purge our ranks of all of these and at at a higher level. That one thing we gotta establish is kind of the scientific method. It's all, it's all a matter of degrees. You know, and, and this, this idea that we're absolutely certain is not scientific. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, we, we know about the 0.05 level of statistical significance and we gotta admit that we might be wrong. They [00:07:00] cannot and will not admit that they might be wrong. They can't even accept the remote possibility. And so that's where we are right now. You know, we might have been conned by, by all this stuff, but I don't think so. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And, and I think the rational decision for me when the time came, you know, I'm, I'm 66 years old. I want to play in for another 20 years. I'm on the road for 25 years, 200 days a year. And and that's my prayer. I can do it another 20 years. The only way we win is to stay in the fight. The only way we beat this bastard whoever they are, is, and I'll outline some of the, just to stay on the fight. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And as long as I have the health, I'm gonna be on the road, training cops, training the military, doing my best. But I'm 66 and and I think I'm in superb physical condition, praise God. And and for me, making a risk analysis, taking the vax was, was was, it was a no-brainer for me. I've got loved ones all around me that have made other decisions, and they're, they're deeply invested in that decision. ret LTC Dave Grossman: In the big story. But I, I've made my own decision and, and we all [00:08:00] exist in this realm of the scientific method that we might be wrong, but we made our bet. The odds are as we see it as such, and, and there's value in that, but we've gotta understand how we're playing the game and we see within our army how that's happening. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Now, you were just, you were just showing me something along that line who you were thinking. M go ahead, please. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I was saying that, you know the book you were just holding up Yeah. The extremists, if. Hold this document close to your heart and for the listener, it's the Declaration of Independence on the Constitution of the United States. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you have one of these and hold, carry it with you, you read it at your leisure, you hand it out to patients, you hand it out when you're being given an illegal order to take a shot that's unlawful, and then you have a 15 six against you. And they say, and he was handing out constitutions as if it's a bad. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Yeah, ret LTC Dave Grossman: So I, I think we, we, we no more. Yeah. Now, now, now keep your, you know, keep your, your eyes on the horizon. Never [00:09:00] lose track of the fact that we, you know, that that eternity is out there. But right now, you know my book on spiritual combat. We are in a battle against forces of evil, and our job is to fight the good fight as long and hard as we can to love God and to love. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And if we truly love them, and if we truly love God, we'll bring them knowledge of salvation. And we do that by, by Galatians six, nine, girl, you're not weary. You're doing good. In the fullness of time, you reap your award. Just let your life be a living witness. So better, so much better to live the sermon than to preach it. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And that's all on spiritual combat than you know. They, they, our initial issue, the full armor of God, our mission statement, and the truly, truly, amazingly well received. , but we're fighting a fight against forces of evil. And, and and, and the model I have in the book is is Sheepdog. You're right, I, I coined the whole sheepdog model and I had a guy recently say, why is that whole sheepdog thing taken off? ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, you first mentioned it in on killing my first book in 95 and it really got some traction. And then, And on combat [00:10:00] in 2002, we really ran with it. And he said, why is it taking off so well? Because, well, I, we love dogs and you know, in the Bible they had dogs. We know that, but they were considered unclean. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, Jesus talked about, you know, even the, the puppies under the table get the crumbs, you know, and, but well, we love dogs now and, and it's my, from a spiritual stand, . I, I'm just God's faithful dog. You know, I, when we get there, we're gonna be embraced as, as, as beloved children and will understand things we can't even comprehend right now. ret LTC Dave Grossman: But right now, you know, my dog can't understand most of what I do. Why? Why are you doing this when you could be scratching my tummy? Come on. What are you doing This? What's this all about? Can understand Speech Canada stand books read. That's how we are with God. We can just barely understand. So many aspects. ret LTC Dave Grossman: So, you know, my dog and she let her off the leash. She runs in the neighbor's yard and rolls in something stinky. I still love her. And God sees every bad thing we do, and he still loves us. She loves us enough to die for us, [00:11:00] you know, and and so this idea of being God's faithful dog, you know, well it, it, it resonates. ret LTC Dave Grossman: It takes the sheep dog model the next step. And everybody out there that might not know the great. Now Sam and I are here to tell you that, that this is where it's at. This is, this is the end story. This is the ultimate dynamic. And, and people say, well, I, I thought again, in the book, people say, I wish I could believe I, I I wish there was a loving God. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Well, that's the bottom, that's the first seed of belief is, is they're just hired to believe that, that the wish it was. Take your little seed of faith and plant it and ask for more faith. You know, the man came to Jesus, asked him to heal his son, and Jesus said, if you believed all things are possible, he said, I believe, help my unbelief. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Boom, Jesus did what he asked him to do. That's all God asked us is to ask for more belief. They ask for more faith. Plant your little seed of faith. And believe in a world that there is a loving God who has a plan for us and who's sacrificed for us and paid the ultimate price for us. [00:12:00] And we're fighting this battle right now. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Aslan is on the move. Good things are happening. You look at the big picture there of men like Sam and out there fighting the good fight. This you know, and, and people have decided it was a way to purge our military. And that's part of the equation without a doubt. I think that some were thinking to some degree and yet here you are driving. ret LTC Dave Grossman: touch and base with people, Patreon supporters. It just warms my soul and gives me faith. So my contribution to your, your podcast, it maybe haven't really been touched before. Number one, about hall generals and what's going on in a kind of a bigger picture in the big battle that we're fighting. But number two, I I, if I only had 30 minutes to speak to a military and law enforcement audience there, there's one thing I'd be covering with all my heart. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And that is this global epidemic of sleep deprivation. Now, here's the key. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Sleep deprivation makes us [00:13:00] stupid. We do stupid things. We say stupid things. 18 hours without sleep and your impaired judgment equal to 0.08. Legally drunk blood alcohol, 24 hours without sleep, and your impaired judgment equal to 0.1. Above legally drunk bed and, and two nights without sleep, and you are psychotic. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Any graduate of Army Ranger School went to about hallucinations on the third day without sleep, and we have people all around us going days and days without sleep. There is nothing macho. There's nothing tough, there's nothing impressive about going without sleep. Any 10 year old girl at slumber party can. ret LTC Dave Grossman: the professional thing is a manager's sleep. And, and, and that's the key is this, this global epidemic. Sleep deprivation, number one, here's a critical point. It is a huge factor in suicides. How many times have we talked about military suicides, law enforcement, suicides, and home den. On sleep deprivation, one of the best meta [00:14:00] studies on suicide, do an online cert, suicide, sleep deprivation, boom. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Look at all the research. One of the best meta studies on suicide said, not only is sleep deprivation, a major factor is the most remediable factor. If we truly gave a damn about suicide, if we truly wanted to do something about it, this is the first place we'd be working. And, and, and here's Parenting 1 0 1 for the 21st century. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Now, suicides have exploded worldwide. Every age group, every nationality, the demographic group, almost without fail, have seen suicides explode. Tweeners 10, 11, 12 year old girls tween age girls suicide rate has tripled per capita just the last decade. So here's parenting 1 0 1 for the 21st century. When you send your kid to bed at night, take their cell phone away from them. ret LTC Dave Grossman: No laptop in the room, no cell phone in the room. They have gotta go to the room and sleep. A cop came up to me during an outbreak. In one of my presentations, he said he said, I had a good girl. She was an native [00:15:00] student. She said, dad, it's embarrassing. You don't have to take my cell phone every night. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You can trust me. He said, so I trust her. Let her keep her cell phone. He says, you know, family policy, cell phone goes that charge her off the bed. He said A little while later, I said, let her keep her cell phone. And she took her life. My little girl took her life. , he said We never knew the hell she was living in until we looked at the text messages on her cell phone night after night of Ceaseless, relentless, vicious bullying, and he can't just ignore that. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We're not wire that way. He said it was heart rendering, the sea erupt night after night, trying to defend herself, trying to find somebody to stand for. I said I understood my little girl was bullied to death. What I didn't understand until now. She was sleep deprived, mented, and bullied to death in front of my eyes, and I let it happen. ret LTC Dave Grossman: He said, I can't ignore that text message in the middle of the night. How? How can we respect our kids to, he said, the one thing in earth I've done for my [00:16:00] little girl was take her cell phone overnight and let her turn off all the bad stuff in this world. So who's gonna be your mommy? Who's gonna make you turn off that world? ret LTC Dave Grossman: We're in the middle of this global epidemic of sleep deprivation. Number one, it's a key factor in suicide. Number two, it's a key factor in traffic. Now, decade after decade around the planet, we brought traffic deaths down, airbags, seat belts, medical technology. Now, for the last decade around the planet, traffic deaths have exploded. ret LTC Dave Grossman: What is the new factor worldwide? This, this sleep deprivation. There's a reason why truck drivers are required by federal law to get enough sleep and airline pilots. Number three, the opiate epidemic. Sleep deprivation creates chronic pain. Why opiates? Why are opiates a drug of choice? Prescription opiates have always been there. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Well do an online search for sleep. Deprivation of pain. Boom. Doc, I heard all the time, give me a pill. If you need a pill, you need more [00:17:00] sleep and you gotta knock off the caffeine shortly out to lunch. This, stopping your finger, keep cycle sleep. So there's pieces that need. Also, we know that the link to obesity is powerful. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You, you wanna lose weight, get more sleep, and heart disease and sleep deprivation. And also, finally, a lot of solid data on the link between sleep deprivation and dementia Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's most common form of dementia. A study a couple years back said, lack of deep cycle sleep is the single greatest predictor of Alzheimer's. ret LTC Dave Grossman: So why, why, why, why isn't this come? Now, here's the deal. Let's look at tobacco. My dad started smoking in 1941. He was five years old, a punk to nickel on the counter, so couldn't even look over the counter. Plunked a nickel on the counter, bought a pack of bull tobacco and rolling paper and started smoking at five. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Hey, candy ro your teeth right. Candy's bad. We don't know that cigarettes are good for you. They, they had Salem ads as your dentist. I recommend Salems. Camela said [00:18:00] More doctors smoked camels. Well darn Salem Camel, they're all boys and don't do it. 55 years later, those cigarettes finally killed my dad, but they didn't care that they were killed. ret LTC Dave Grossman: They just wanted to sell their product. So the head of Netflix said the number one competitor is not other online provider. The number one competitor is sleep. The corporate policy of Netflix is steal your sleep. The video games are designed to put you off low state. You play games all night long. You stagger into work or school, you play games the second night, all night, you're now in your third day without sleep. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And those zombies are all around us. And again, I'll tell you from personal experience in Ranger school, you, you will see things and hear things that are not there. And that third day without sleep, I, I, I've lost a brother and two nephews to suicide. One was a veteran. We'll talk about veteran suicides. ret LTC Dave Grossman: The other one. Well, it was just a, a high school kid. The new video game came out. He'd locked himself in his bedroom with a, with a stack of, of, of, of munchies and sodas and the new [00:19:00] video game on the third day, he killed himself. Don't know, no letter, no suicide, no nothing. Why, why, why? Well, we go back and look at sleep deprivation and we see this factor, and these games are designed to put you in the flow state, and they don't care that they're killing people and Facebook. ret LTC Dave Grossman: So Facebook will never say you've been online for the last 48. I'm gonna turn you off and get some sleep. Now, the video game will never say you've been playing this game for 36 hours straight. Get some sleep now and Netflix will never stay. You've been binge watching shows for the last 48 hours. Time to get some sleep. ret LTC Dave Grossman: They will never do that. Like the tobacco industry. They just want to sell their product and like the back industry, they are very, very invested in getting rid of any evidence and points a finger back at them. Now that tobacco has fought tooth and nail decade after decade over one thing to keep selling tobacco to children and to admit that their product could do harm and, and they fought tooth and nail just to keep selling tobacco to children. ret LTC Dave Grossman: That's where we are. One of my books is [00:20:00] Assassination Generation. I was at the White House as part of President Trump's surround table on violent video games, as said, the White House again, brief Vice President Pence. Both times I put a copy of the book in my hand, assassination Generation. In 2005, the state of California overwhelmingly voted to regulate children's access to violent video games. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Data was overwhelming. Home of Hollywood, home of silicone. Voted to regulate children's access by overwhelming numbers. Arnold Schwartzenegger was Governor Arnold so signed the bill and the video game ministry fought him all the way to the Supreme Court. They said, we have a constitutional First Amendment right to sell any game to any cage at any age. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You cannot stop us, you cannot regulate. And they conned seven old men. Seven. Supreme Court Justice never played pong in their life, overturned the California law. That's in my book, assassination Generation. Nobody's even heard about it, so just just understand that there's a battle all around us against [00:21:00] this corporate evil. ret LTC Dave Grossman: and they don't care that they're killing people. They just want to make their mega bucks. They just want to make their millions. And we come back to the same dynamic with the vax and, and, and pumping this thing down and making vast amounts of money and, and cutting corners, you know, are, are, are we wrong and in our belief or we accept the scientific method. ret LTC Dave Grossman: There's a 0.05 possibility. We might be wrong, but I think the data's overwhelming out. And these corporate predators are selling death and they don't care. And, and we won't even hear about the link between suicide. He come, boom, it's a surprise. Suicide and, and, and sleep deprivation. We started to ask him, was he sleep deprived? ret LTC Dave Grossman: Oh, he played video game for, you know, was, was he sleep? Oh, she's on social media all night long. Night of tonight. Said, just recognize that we're in a battle and it's a vast battle, but in the end, It's a battle against evil. And one of my favorite authors, he wrote the, the line, the Witch in the Wardrobe series having a crazy brain brains fan, but, but he said CS Lewis. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Yeah, [00:22:00] CS Lewis wrote one time. He said, when you, when you think about evil, he says, evil is a corporate boardroom with people in night suit. Making decisions that that was the Holocaust was people in, in, in, in, in nice places with night suits making decisions that resulted in this stuff. And he said, that's where we truly find evil. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And that's the battle in you, Sam, have been in the middle of that battle. You have paid a price for him, you've stood up for what's right. And I honor you, and I salute you. And I thank you as, as, as somebody who's in the front lines of this battle. Just, just zoom out for. and understand how vast this battle is. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And in the end, so much of it comes down to corporate predators who don't care that they're killing people who conceal it. It's the tobacco industry many times over, and they control so much of our information network and they're doing everything they can to To, to, to continue to keep making money. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Now, hang in [00:23:00] there, brother. Hang in there. All you Patreon supporters and and all your, your fellow mind, and those of you that are on the fence out there I, I put myself behind Sam with all my heart and all my soul. The date is overwhelming. We have a level of statistical significance as to what's happening out there, and you're fighting a good fight. ret LTC Dave Grossman: For our way of life and for our lives. And the constitution and the, you know, is not a a band document. And and you gotta keep hanging in there and everybody else out there, you gotta keep hanging. So that's kind of gross from this you know, two bits up front. Sam, where, where else should we, should we take? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. That, that means the world to me. We mentioned off air before we started the Unseen Realm by Michael Heiser. And, and I think what you're kind of touching on, and I wanna just dive into it head first, is this unseen realm idea, cuz you, you're mentioning it, but kind of in the periphery. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this idea that the boardroom is where all the evil is. That fits right in with the unseen realm because you have this whispering in the ear, oh, we'll do this. It's good for you, it'll be good for those people [00:24:00] that you're, you're doing this for, or you'll make a buck. And those people, they'll be fine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Don't worry about that. But all those added. In totality end up in a place where you have, you know, the homosexuals, the gypsies, the Jews rounded up and put in a place where they're working until they're dead and and killed on purpose and horrible medical experiments. And that's that unseen realm. It's that whispering in the ear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's, it's this thing you can't see, you can't feel, you can't, it's not flesh and blood. It's the rulers and the principalities of darkness. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And you know what, that's a really great point cuz, cuz this is something I said about our generals. You know, generals on the battlefield would be brave. They, you know, like, like most of us, they'd put their life on the line, but they sold their soul a nickel at a time. ret LTC Dave Grossman: They compromised and compromised and compromised till they have nothing left. And, and let me give you an an angle on that. I, I think there's great value and understanding the crazy things that our military does across the years now begin with, with the Korean War in a book [00:25:00] called This Kind of War By, by tr Fehrenbach. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And what happened was at the end of World War II America was sick of of discipline and structure. And they said, look at the Air Force. The Air Force doesn't have uniforms and haircuts and saluting. The Air Force doesn't do the, the drilling ceremony, you know, and, and look what a good job they did. So they had the Doolittle Commission, Jimmy Doolittle, he had read them what led the raid on Tokyo and, and and, and they said, and they basically gutted discipline in the. ret LTC Dave Grossman: and then the Korean War hit and the US Army was destroyed, shattered, devastated. The Marine Corps who didn't really play that game, saved our bacon. They saved our nation's bacon early in the, in the Korean War, and we learned our lesson. So Vietnam begins and we had McNamara's a hundred thousand. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: My grandpa grandfather is one of those frozen chosen, and he's still walking around. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he got shot in the ankle on the third day of the attack. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Wow. Wow. [00:26:00] And, and they were, you know, they were great people, but we don't understand how much those, those, those frozen chosen, that, that those few in the Marine held the cap cuz they didn't play the political game quite as much as anybody else did. ret LTC Dave Grossman: So Vietnam dirty little war in Southeast Asia and a guy named McNamara Secretary of Defense said we're gonna Draft Cat four bees. This is Cat four, category four, bottom half of five categories there. People in the World War II wouldn't have been drafted, and the message was these people have been socially repressed. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Now the military's gonna be the mechanism for them to improve themselves, and we're gonna draft a hundred thousand of these guys. They, it's kind of crude. They were called Mcna, Moore's, Mor Morons. McNamara's a hundred thousand. And they died at a rate two to three times greater than cat once and cat two on the battlefield. ret LTC Dave Grossman: The, the phrase that was floated at that time to put a stupid man in combat is murder. Well, private Grossman [00:27:00] enlists in 1974, our army had been gutted after Vietnam. the druggies ran the barracks if you wanted. If, if you didn't want to fight, you had to do drugs. Cuz you know, if you just do a little smoke, a little dope, snort a little crack the druggies ran the barracks. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And I was, I, I, you know, I, I was pulled out of a line platoon to be to be the, the unit clerk. I was radar O'Reilly, you know, and on, on a real old fashioned typewriter in 19, well, 1975 a mountain. And on through 76 and 85 and became unit operations and, and battalion operations. But I was ready, O'Reilly, you know, and and we had files of article fifteens, an inch thick counseling statement, article fifteens an inch thick. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We couldn't get rid of them. And, and, and the point was, These people have been socially repressed, and it's our job to give them social mobility. We're not even at war right now. You know, you give 'em a chance, you can't get rid of 'em. So 1980, Ronald [00:28:00] Reagan becomes the president. Now, recruiting was so bad. ret LTC Dave Grossman: I was, I was a young lieutenant in the ninth in infantry division. Out of, out of, out of every three line platoons in a company, one platoon was zeroed out of the two remaining platoons, one squad was zeroed. . So what ought to be a company of nine infantry squads was four infantry squads. And the weapons platoon was kept, generally filled. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We were not just a hollow army, we were an empty army. We couldn't get rid of the dead weight, we couldn't get rid of them. Reagan became president and the military pivoted on a dime. We had great recruiting. We had people who would entrust their children's life to this. After Afghanistan, who will entrust the children to, to our leadership today? ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, no, no repercussion for the tragedy in Afghanistan. No repercussions for the, the whole VAX thing. Every, every one of them should be fired to start from the ground up. But but. Reagan McCain [00:29:00] president, good people in enlisting. We had the year analysis program. We had the expeditious just started program. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We got rid of the dead weight in in a year. We pivoted on a dime. We had incredible people joining up. But we keep going through this cycle when, when there's some social experiment that has to be inflicted down upon our military and every way, every time we have to. We had to fight with all our heart and all our soul. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Look at the price we paid in Korea. Look at the price we paid in Vietnam. Look at our hollow army that just, you know, that we, we won the Cold War with Ronald Reagan turning us around, focused us the right direction. So here we are again, and we've gotta fight with all of our heart and all of our might for what's right and true and good in our civilization. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And, and we go back to the corporate boardroom and decisions that are made in the Pentagon. And, and these, this is where evil lives. This is where evil lives making these kind of decisions to abandon Afghanistan, and nobody is left accountable to, to mandate this facts. And, and is there any accountability [00:30:00] happening? ret LTC Dave Grossman: Well, I, I hope there will men, like you'll make it happen if it happens with your lawsuits and other things. And, and, and I, I, I believe the tide is gonna turn and but recognize his drawback for a minute. And look at the big picture across the across the, the, the, the, the decades. And know you're fighting a good fight for what's right and true. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And they have, it comes back around what I was saying. They have sold their soul a nickel at a time. They have compromised their integrity. Get that next, next. You know, they put their politics in their pocket. They put their religion in their pocket to make that next rank. They sold their soul a nickel at a time, and they get there and they have nothing left. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And, and pray. because you really are empty, hollow, sad men who, who have nothing left. And they certainly, they certainly don't have the Lord in their life if if they were, were doing this kind of thing. So, oh, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yes sir. That's perfect cuz with this whole vax, I generally call it a bio And most of my listeners know wine. If you or a new listener haven't figured it out, go listen to episode 33, please, and you'll see why I call it a bio weapon. But this, [00:31:00] and I show you all the documentation but it. . It's not that they did a mandate, it's that they gave an unlawful illegal order and they wanted something that was partially developed in China, injected into you and into me and to everyone. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so it's, it's a war crime because from March 27th, 2020, we were in a, a quietly declared war because you can't have eua granted unless you have an e. Declared and that emergency can only be declared if there is a seaburn or chemical biologic, radiologic or nuclear exposure to US citizens on American soil, US citizens on foreign soil or the military. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So we've been at war quietly declared war since 27, March, 2020, and that would classify these as war crimes, in my opinion. Hopefully the courts can figure that. ret LTC Dave Grossman: I think there, I think we had come out the other end with a sense of [00:32:00] accountability for these people that I pray we well, but in the meanwhile you're, you're, you're on the side of the Angels brother and, and I saw that episode you're talking about. ret LTC Dave Grossman: I went and I looked at it. If go go and listen to an episode and get, get some information. But but keep on you know, I, I love. I, I, I, I just, just, you know, above you is that pandemic reprimanded . There's a, there's your ranger tab, there's your airborne tab. Wear that with pride. You know, I, I bear the airborne tab. ret LTC Dave Grossman: I'd bear the ranger tab. I'll bear that one too with pride. You know, and and no, you're on the red side there. It's a beautiful tab. That's when Dr. Sam Sigoloff: we get off the air. I wanna get your addresses. I, I think you certainly deserve one of these. I'm gonna send you one of these and all the listeners, these are available. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's various links available, but it's on eBay. It's helping fund my legal fees. I've spent over $60,000 of my own legal fees and on top of that I've received a $10,000 grant from Truth He Truth for Health Foundation. Please check them out. I'm a volunteer through them, part of their military advisory council. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're doing great things. They're helping other service members like Mark Haw. [00:33:00] Listen to his episode with me where he was convicted. He's actually had a court marshal. He was convicted. They're helping out bill Mosley, who had a board of inquiry in the Navy and they found it was unlawful to tell him to take the mandate to take the shot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yet, since it's not a court of law, it's only an administrative inquiry. It doesn't have any standing in, in a c. One thing that I, I did wanna touch, sir, is you kind of mentioned this, and this is something I've, I've listening to the Bible project, listening to the book unseen realm. There's this thing where Jesus says, you know, you can tell a mountain to throw itself into the ocean and it'll do it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I, that's always, that's always just struck me as how can I tell a mount a giant piece of rock to go throw itself in the ocean? But if you. Listen to or read the unseen realm. There is this idea of the Divine Council. And in second Temple, Judaism, they thought the divine Council was in the mountains. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's why mountains were a high place. That's where Moses went and met God on a mountain. And so if you look at it in that sense, a mountain in someone's life, the listener's life, [00:34:00] maybe anxiety, maybe depression, maybe regret, maybe anger, maybe alcoholism, drug, all these things you can tell. That God, the Elohim, which is not God's name, that is a spiritual being and God is one of those, but he's not like all the other ones. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He, he created all those. You can tell that little G God to go throw itself in the ocean and it'll do it when you have the faith in Jesus Christ. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Praise God. You know, Sam, that's so good. I've never heard that before. You know, we, we create our mountains and Jesus, you know, through God can, can throw their mountain into the sea if we just give it to him. ret LTC Dave Grossman: That's, that's, that's such a great analysis. You know, I've got, I've got on Spiritual Combat. It's gonna be the sequel of this book. It's gonna be coming out just about a year. Hey, your listeners might be interested. I've got Book, you know, I wrote the book on killing. I wrote on combat. Both of them have been still, both of them have been bestsellers in many categories just this year. ret LTC Dave Grossman: On spiritual combat. But I wrote a, a book, I think I write a kick on, on [00:35:00] hunting. Now, you cannot understand combat, you cannot understand humanity. You cannot understand killing and until you understand hunting and and it's really a lot of fun. This is like the first podcast, maybe second podcast even mentioning this. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You buy it from our website right now. It'll be available on Amazon in, in March, but we, we keep driving on and and, and, and you know, the, the second volume on spiritual warfare. And, and you might see some reference to that in some of my future writing, cuz that that's really a neat Yeah. Insight into it. ret LTC Dave Grossman: I thank you for, for sharing that. For Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you. I take, take credit for that. It's just kind of been a compilation of those different things. One thing you had mentioned is the generals, how they were told to put their politics in their pocket and put their religion in their pocket. And most people, you know, like, ah, I don't wanna be political. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In fact, I, I ran into a, a major who I'm trying to, to get 'em to open up a little bit. And we started talking about Covid and he is like, Hey, I don't wanna get political. And it's like, well, it's not political. It's, it's medicine. It's your life and people are doing illegal things to you. [00:36:00] But there's this idea that politics is. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It is only one realm when really it's, I look at it more like the way I look at the world. It's not just how I want the world to be ran, but it's how I, it, it is part of my, not my religion, but my religion is part of my politics because my religion shapes how I view the world and how I think things should be done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I can't not have politics. And then when you take all the politics out and then you've got. Like I'll say in 2015, for some reason, I, I had had this thought experiment with this buddy of mine who was a fister field artillery guy. And, and for some reason we were on this con conversation and I told him I really think that if we ever had an unlawful order given to us, like to confiscate all of the firearms in the United States, I think two thirds of the Officer Corps will do it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think one third of the enlisted court will do it. I was dead wrong. 90. 99% of the [00:37:00] officer cor went along. And probably 90% of the enlisted core went along with it ret LTC Dave Grossman: and, and no accountability. Again, you a look at Afghanistan after 20 years award to just abandon it. And then we've, we are, we're gonna see terrorist attacks. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We gave them an entire nation to fund in, train in, and deploy from 20 years of burning desire for vengeance and 7 billion of military equipment left for these people. It is not a matter if, it's a matter of when. This VAX mandate, this entire generation of general officers can and should be held accountable. ret LTC Dave Grossman: For, for what's been going on over this period of time. And, and I just prayed that I saw Ronald Reagan. I saw God work a miracle in our nation. I I was there. Ronald Reagan came in. Our military pivoted on a dime. We defeated the Soviet Union by, by simply outspending them. We millions didn't have to die. ret LTC Dave Grossman: We didn't have to pay a terrible price, thank God. And, and I saw God working miracle and I prayed that somebody will come up. You know, we needed, I can't begin to tell you how bad [00:38:00] Jimmy Carter was, you know, in four years. The Communist took Nicaragua, Mozambique, Ethiopia Angola. We threw the saw and ran to the bus and we gave away the Panama Canal. ret LTC Dave Grossman: How could one man suit so much harm in four years? Well, we're seeing it right now. It took four years to Jimmy Carter. Give us eight years of Ronald Reagan, and I pray that God has a Reagan for us and there will be accountability for what's been going on here. And we kind of start from the bottom up and, and and. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Filtering our generals through a political filter this left wing dynamic that is, that has just infested them. And again, you and I know this great, honorable Christians and, and patriots, and this system isn't, you know, universal, but there's this persistent trend of selecting people who agree with our politics. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And, and, and that's become an evil dynamic. And you talked about, you know, I, politics is a manifestation of my religion. Well, for the left, Politics is their religion, and they're, they're zealous. They're [00:39:00] absolutely rabid, zealous a about their, their religion. A and that's why it's so dangerous. They will advance everywhere. ret LTC Dave Grossman: They won't cut any corner. They will cr commit any crime. To advance their religion. Socialism is a, a religion, it's gotta be taken on. Faith has never been proven to work. Their religion is socialism and, and they will fight with all their heart and soul. And we gotta get in the battle and fight back for our nation, for our way of life. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And, and again, our, our, our politics is a manifestation of our religion. And there's no shame in that. That's a beautiful thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and sir, this will probably be the last thing cause I wanna be very respectful of your time. But I think this is an important thing that I'd love to get your opinion on Moral. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right, because there's lots, you and I did not ha were given the insight to not get this thing injected into us. However, I have many friends and I, and there's many people in the military and in this nation who have received it and maybe they don't wanna get anymore. Maybe they thought it was good then cuz they were tricked and they were bamboozled by the, the doctor that lied to them, or the politician that lied to them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But how did they get past that, [00:40:00] that moral injury that they, they vent. And they don't need to do that anymore. ret LTC Dave Grossman: You know, I, again, it's a great place to end on cause it's what we began on and that's the, that eternal picture, you know, just, just take a minute and look at the big view. God, Jesus really is the great healer. ret LTC Dave Grossman: you know, the most, the most, the greatest vitamin vitamin J get up every morning, have a dose of vitamin J, you know, and, and people say, how do you keep doing it? 66, you know, driving on energy. It's a conscious decision to wake up every morning, get a shot of vitamin J and and Galatians six, nine, girl, you're not wey, you're doing good. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And the fullest, the time you reap your award. . And so I tell you that, that all things are possible, that God can heal all things. But, but truly, if you find yourself remorseful and, and, and, and angry repentant, whatever it may be, is how you respond to this matter. Hand it over to God. Because the only true healing and the only, the only true achievement is, [00:41:00] is these eternal matters. ret LTC Dave Grossman: This is all here as kind of a field for us to be able to do our best and, and, and in spiritual warfare, in preparation, whatever God has to call for us afterwards and and, and have faith, I mean, truly, literally have faith in our way of life, have faith in our nation, have faith in our God, the God of our fathers, he will sustain us and carry us through these times. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And we did the best we could in a dark and desperate hour. And we'll just take the rest of this life trying to do better and trying to make up for the harm that we might have done. That's true repentance And and embrace embrace the fact that Jesus has paid the price for our sins and they're separated as far as the East of the West. ret LTC Dave Grossman: If we, if you know, he is, he's faithful him just for, give us our sins of cleans of all unrighteousness once we identify it and hold it up. For, so I have faith and with every possible way you could use that word, have it and believe in it, and keep doing what you're doing. Sam, you make us proud. You're a great American and you're one of the ones that had courage to stand up in the face of all of this and say, no, [00:42:00] ah, this is not right. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Yeah, and done the research and done the school work. I, I was lucky to have a good friend who was from the very beginning, giving me good information. Without that information, I, I could very well follow, followed a completely different path. And and men like you would bait it possible for us to say, wait a minute, there's more going on here. ret LTC Dave Grossman: And help us to grow through this tragic time. You know and and think there is hope for this nation still. Praise God. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just wanna echo what you said. There's, there's forgiveness at the, the foot of Jesus and the whole sheepdog idea we were put here to protect. Even if the flock wants to throw us at the wolves and I can't wait for the day. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I hope it's, I got lots of work to do still, so I hope it's kind of a ways away. But the day when I get there and God says, well done. Good and faithful servant. ret LTC Dave Grossman: Yes. And that's one of the, one of the memes that I. I, I created a meme and and it's, you know, this, this, this gray muzzle dog at the feet, a nice picture, this gray muzzle [00:43:00] dog at the feet and says, one day the sheep dog will finally rest at the feet of the Great Shepherd. Well Year. Hear those words, well done. ret LTC Dave Grossman: They're good and faithful servant. Amen. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I did it because there was no other choice. I couldn't not do this. I couldn't lie. Look myself in the mirror and tuck my. In at night and tell them to be brave and courageous and, and, and there's lots of other enlisted NCOs officers who, who don't have the credentials. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not that that makes me special or anything, you know, it's, it's truly God's blessing that he's put me through med school. Trust me, dyslexia. Found out I had narcolepsy, you know, in Alaska, like God's blessing, right? Dyslexia, the whole deal. But he, he's put me here for this purpose to help encourage others and I truly feel that, yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: second Thessalonians, where it says to speak in a way to help those that are fearful and that has just been driving me through this. ret LTC Dave Grossman: On that note, [00:44:00] God bless you, Sam. God bless your listeners and God bless.

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We've got the subdued sticker decal and the full color decal, the pandemic reprimand. All right, now that that's outta the way, I have an amazing guest that I can't wait to introduce you to. She is a, a physician who specializes in chelation. Her name is Anna Mihaka I, and if I mispronounced it hopefully she can correct me here in a minute. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But thank you so much for coming on with us. So today we're gonna be talking about hopefully ways to get this stuff out of our body, whether we got the shot or didn't get the shot. And we may be able to learn some, some intriguing things about people who didn't get the shot even. And I first heard you on Alex show the Way Forward, and I wanna give him a huge shout out cuz he's been a. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To me and he's been able to connect me with some [00:02:00] amazing guests that I've had on. So Dr. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Mik, call me Dr. Anna. That fine? Hi Sam. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Hey, yeah, call me Sam and I'll call you Anna. Appreciate you coming on. I truly, truly appreciate it. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And I appreciate you. I think, you know, in this time, you are a tremendous hero. You know, US physicians with a tremendous opportunity to stand up and stand for truth. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Many people did not. And I think what you've done for our nation, for the people that you've written vaccine exemptions for, to stand up against you know, the system of the military and pay such a price for it, I mean, you're a true hero. And I'm so honored to speak to you today. Thank you. Well, thank you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I'm, I'm, I'm much more humbled than, than the words you said, and I truly appreciate it, but it's, there is no other way to have done this. I, I wouldn't be able to look in the mirror. I wouldn't be able to look at my kids. This is a fight that we have to fight is to leave it, [00:03:00] to leave it alone, and to lose this fight would leave our children in a place where they didn't have the tools to even resist this. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Absolutely. And I think, you know, so I'm an trained internal medicine physician. I have an anti-aging clinic. I've done chelation therapy for, for years, and I really started getting into all of this. With Covid, I started early treatments in, in my patients and then met with Dr. David Nixon and really looked into what is in the vials and collaborated with an international team of researchers to find out more. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And what we found is quite interesting because it is important to look at it from the perspective of treatments for vaccine injury as well as shedding. So I wanna also clarify, you know, I've, I've researched the phenomenon of shedding for. A long time. I was someone who advocated for d dier testing very early on because I saw that unvaccinated people were [00:04:00] affected by the vaccinated, and then found elevated DDIs rapidly increasing. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And now that I do dark field live blood microscopy you know, I'm able to see in the blood not just these, these structures that we've also found in the vials that appear to be self-assembling nanotechnology based on hydrogel graphene with metals. But the same structures that were found under the microscope in the vials were then seen in the live blood of vaccinated people and now an unvaccinated people. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And so you know, my, my journey has been looking at all of these different things. What, what are the components of it? What do we know about it? How should we adjust our treatment to be able to have a more comprehensive way of addressing this? Because if, if everybody believes. They got mRNA and that there's a spike protein. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Well, you know, a lot of the people who've analyzed the [00:05:00] vials didn't even find mRNA. They found metals, for example, tungston, aluminum, you know aluminum, all kinds of other things like gadolinium gadolinium, cesium. And then they found these structures that some people call carbon-based nano tubes. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Some people call graphene. Clearly, you know, the, the chemical analysis of. It's challenging because it's a crime to look at these vials, but looking at what's been happening in my patients and seeing that I've seen tremendous accelerated aging process. And why is that happening? These new methodologies of live blood analysis have, have really been helpful and I've found some pretty stunning findings that are, I think concerning. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: They're very important to look at. And so I just appreciate the opportunity to even speak about this because a lot of this information is being censored on many different platform. [00:06:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, we're, we're very used to censoring around here. Not, not so much doing it, but getting censored. And so that's why I'm so glad that you can come on, cuz. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is vital information that everyone needs to know because whether you got the shot, whether you didn't, and. You know, there, there's still many great things we can learn from what you've discovered. And I think it's very important also to, to really emphasize what you said, that you know, cuz everyone thinks, oh well you know, it's mRNA, it's terrible, I got the shot that didn't have the Mr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: mRNA, so it's not as bad. Well that's not true. Because, because of what you said and which I think is very critical, is they're not finding mRNA in the stuff that's supposed to have mRNA. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Yes. And I think that, that looking at this whole operation from a broader perspective and the background, so I've done a lot of research into synthetic biology, transhumanist agenda. You know, if, if you think about this, this whole plan to change humanity into hackable [00:07:00] animals and to. Basically say, Hey, the, the, the conscious ability of people to choose and to, to have ingenious thought that that's actually under siege here, plus the spiritual aspect of the war. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Like, like Al Harari is talking about is that, that the spirit and the soul are a thing of the past. And what my question was, you know, what would be the technological platform that would be needed to to create something like that? And what's been coming up is clearly hydrogel. So even Todd Calendar now speaks a lot about this. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: This is the platform of this transformation. So hydrogel. It's called a carbon-based polymer, and it can self-assemble and it can mimic any cell in the body, but it can be augmented through metals to have different properties, for example, how it reacts under. Electrical fields, magnetic fields can be [00:08:00] programmed to actually develop protein hydrogel microchips that become sensors and receivers. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And so we, these are literally now creating technological devices. And what I wanna explain is that, that. So our biology is something that can be altered and made to do something that's not natural. But if you look at, for example, our D N A has tremendous storing capacity. So if you, if information data storing capacity, if you think about that by 2020. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You know, humanity will have produced about 33 zeta bites of, of information, and you could store all of that information in a p Paul Ball, size of dna, n a. And so if you can, cr d n A itself is a hydrogel, it's a self-assembly polymer, and you can make it do stuff and literally [00:09:00] create. Devices that are part biology and part technology. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And so this is where we're, we're moving into the transhumanist agenda. This whole idea that people are emitting, for example, a frequency of 2.4 gigahertz the Mac address phenomenon. But also what is the purpose of it is that, that there is a sensing. Of our, all of our data, our biological data that can be transmitted to the cloud, but we can also be then basically biohacked via frequency and be modulated. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So the metals are important because in geoengineering and, and things like chem trails, we've been sprayed with all kinds of metals like aluminum, aluminum, barium, even uranium now significantly. And I'm gonna show you a metals test that is from a patient in my office. And if you see. [00:10:00] The aluminum. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And the barium are through the roof, but you also see cesium, which may be radioactive. It doesn't specifically look at the isotope. I've seen a substantial increase in uranium. If you look at Tungston mark Steel as a weapons expert, and he says that, you know if, if there's a radar, a satellite that's just looking at you from space, and you could look kind of like a ghost-like figure, if you're loaded with these metals, for example, tungstens, you can be targeted via 5G weapon systems. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And killed from space. And that's the point of this wetware that we've been loaded up with, has electrical and radar properties. And so I personally believe that not only are these metals highly, highly toxic, particularly if they're nano-sized, they cause tremendous toxicity from neurotoxicity, chronic fatigue. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Brain fog mitochondrial dysfunction, so causing all diseases of aging. So we, but they're also [00:11:00] synergistically to toxic. So the more stuff you have in your body, the more you're aging and declining. And so now looking at, okay, if you, if you, for example, had these shots or you had other shots because this stuff, the nanoparticles, for example, have been found by Antoinette Gutti in over 44 different vaccine preparations from Jar to Tdap to everything. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So everybody who's been getting their shots, they've been loaded up with these metals and. And so this is a cumulative assault. Plus we're inhaling it with these nanotechnologies that are also being sprayed. So then what is the. What the, what the issue is is that we are being changed in our biology and modified without our conscious control because you cannot feel that you have metals in you. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You cannot feel that you have the [00:12:00] synthetic biology in you. And the problem is, is that a lot of the information is being suppress. I think it was very important that Mike Adams did the study of the clot, and he found carbon-based polymers, which is self-assembling with metals in them, and it was a material that was highly combustible. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: It wasn't blood. I mean, this should have been a news all around the world, and this is what hydrogel. So the, the issue is, is that these materials like hydrogen are highly sensitive to electromagnetic frequency radiation, as well as electrical fields. So, for example, Dr. David Nixon showed that if he had a wifi router on. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Close to his microscope. When I was looking at the vial contents, these ribbon like structures that looked like optical communications cables were developing a very high rate. And then these microchips were [00:13:00] also developing if he put a Faraday cage around it. It wasn't developing. Now, how does this apply to somebody who has this stuff in their body and they have a cell phone on their body all the time, and they are, you know, exposed to wifi. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: They're in the cities, literally in studies, the hydrogel can grow from nanometers, which is a billionth of a meter to centimeter size and. If you apply a magnetic electrical or an electromagnetic frequency field, in my personal views, this is where the kill switch lies. What that means is that, I've talked to people like Clifford Carum, who's, who's analyzed what they call more gallons fibers, which actually turns out to be sprayed. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: These are synthetic fibers that are sprayed and they have the same composition as was in the vaccines, which is he found poly vinyl alcohol, which is a hydrogel. [00:14:00] Quantum dot technologies in there and there are metals. And so this, again, is a sender and receiver. And what he did was when it was exposed to a low grade electrical field, this stuff was exploding in growth. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: In again, a matter of minutes. So what happens to an athlete who's exercising, who has been injected with this technology platform and they are now exposing their body to a, a stimulus for this hydrogel can grow and add extreme rates. So I think. That these considerations, the more I learned about it, the more I wanted people to become aware of the technology behind it, that it's important to know about it, what are sort of risk factors and that outside of standard vaccine injury protocols that contain. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And your nutrients and all that. I'm all [00:15:00] for that. I am saying that because nobody knows what's in the vials. You have to broaden your view and include many other different things to be able to cover your bases. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, there was, there was one thing that you had said a while back. I think it was on Alex show, and it's called The Way. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and you had said that, at least if I understood you correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that the electromagnetic signals that our body itself makes could affect these, not just the external forces. And so that was, I think, your hypothesis, if I'm not mistaken, as to why some of these high level elite athletes are dropping dead because they're, they're exerting so much energy that their electro. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Frequency and their radiation from their body, from their heart, from their brain, from their neurons, from all these things. And we, we've seen, we've documented that years ago, and that's not something new that there is, that we are electrical beans and physical being and, and that may be causing, that's [00:16:00] whatever is causing people to drop dead. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: I will be highly concerned. You know I published in my CK an article that showed that the spike protein gene sequence, mRNA sequence, if there's mRNA that people got, has a sequence in there that produces hydrogel and amyloid. Let me explain that. A lot of people are saying that, that the The death and the clots are occurring from amyloid. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: But what that paper clearly outlined was that the p amyloid is only produced at an acidic pH around four at a normal physiologic pH of seven. That spy protein was synthesizing hydrogel, not amyloid, and that. Documented in the scientific literature. So you have a, you will call it gain of function. You have a, a a chain of, of information [00:17:00] biomolecule, and you can get it to do just about anything. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You can have a yeast. Produced petroleum. You can insert a sequence into an mRNA that you inject into people to create hydrogel. And then this hydrogel is self-assembly, self-learning. It's intelligent, it's conscious. It has been used as a material to create artificial brains. Emulate the human brain because its substance was able to recreate. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Glial cells, neurons, and all structures in conjunctions with carbon nano tubes and metals. So this is where I had done a lot of my research in terms of because my Dr. Ana Mihalcea: background's also in studying biophysics. I've written a book about what's called like medicine and really looking at this, this biophysical field that we are and how that can be. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Modulated. And if you [00:18:00] understand some of these some of these scientific principles, then the war looks completely different. And really, these, these molecules that I'm advocating in particular E D T A, So the reason why I'm speaking so much about E D T A was there was clearly shown on a patent that it was an, an antidote to hydrogel. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Hydrogel is extremely durable. You can heat it up to 1700 degrees Fahrenheit and it won't you won't be able to destroy it. But E D T A is able, To break some of the cross-linking and it can remove the metals that are important to imprint the hydrogel with certain mechanical and electrical properties. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So what makes the hydrogel a device? The programming is based on what metals are used, for example, gold or we talked about aluminum other. So the DT can remove the metals, it can disintegrate the [00:19:00] the hydrogel, and it also has properties against graphene or the carbon nano tubes themselves. So what I've seen in clinical practice is that when I look at people's live blood and I see the blood is. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Full of these ribbon like structures. They have extensive Rolo formation. And then with Rolo formation, you see what a lot of people call the terrain, which is sort of the background full of fibrin, micro clotting and basically showing a highly acidic environment in which the red blood cells, I. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Floating all on their own. They're just clumped together and large micro clots are able to be seen. And so when you then use, I use I V E D T A chelation one or two IVs clears the blood of the structures. You see that the rule formation disintegrates, and then we put them on an alkaline diet. You're able to help with the. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: This [00:20:00] Rolo formation, the lack of oxygenation of the tissues. I also recommend E D T A transdermal. Some people, they want to use it orally or rectally. I don't recommend it because it binds to minerals. The only other form I would recommend is maybe liposomal if you do it orally. So, So the reason why I recommend the EDTA is because it does these three things, addresses the hydrogel, addresses the metals, and does address the graphene or carbon nanotubes. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: There are people who, for example, recommend chlorine dioxide. We've done testing on many different substances. And looked at, well, what is able, under the microscope, for example, or in a longer term culture to dissolve these structures. Turns out that chloride dioxide took a long, long time to dissolve them, while it instantly dissolves the rule of formation. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Dr. He Caulkers doing more research on that. I don't know if he has any more updates, but I [00:21:00] just want people to know that Ivermectin does not dissolve the structures. David Nixon and as well as other colleagues we have discussed colloidal Gold has been having effects on. Dissolving the nano chipps. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: But again, one of the issues is that we've seen with Dr. David Nixon's work is that you can get the structures and the microchips to dissolve and then you leave the. The slide sitting there and if you expose it in another wifi field, these things they can regrow. And what I've talked about is that I believe that there's some form of vacuum engineering involved here. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: This is quantum level technology to where a blueprint of what this technology is supposed to be doing is actually in. In the subatomic realm, it isn't in the material pla plane. So it, it dissolves it appears and disappears as quantum cloaking me [00:22:00] mechanisms there. But, but just because it, it disappears, doesn't mean it's completely gone because we cannot see with our microscope on a nano scale. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So I think that, that I would never say something is a cure, that we've figured it out. This is extremely advanced technology. I think that we need to keep going and find out what what else is, is going on and help people as best as we can. So, so we're, we're learning what we can, we don't have the. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Equipment in the United States, you cannot look at the vials. Certain experiments are challenging to do, so I just wanna warn people that not one single person has figured it all out. I think that that taking a broad approach and covering all bases is important. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much for mentioning that too because like, I don't wanna come off as, and I don't want you to come off as some expert that knows everything cuz we don't, that's the whole thing is we're you and I are, are groping around in the dark now we're, we're probably heading more towards the light than, than the majority of [00:23:00] science. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the science as it's, as it's been proclaimed. And the man who claims he is science Anthony Fauci But we're at least willing to say, no, I've been wrong here before. Let me, let me move to this new thing. Here's a new thing. Let me see, let me examine it scientifically and, and look at the pros and the cons and, and actually look at it and see if it, if it does have a benefit. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I, I truly appreciate that. And, and the humbleness that comes along with science is, is always need. Needed to be stay in needs, always needs to stay in there. Now I remember you had talked to Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And your Yeah. And the open-minded. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: the, the open-mindedness to want to know, because the solutions would be evolving if, if this. Is a, is a technology that is so versatile that most people don't even understand. I think it's just very important to stay open-minded and to not shut down conversations, but to look at the the data that has been [00:24:00] accumulated and endeavor to use it as best as we can. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think that that's a really good point too. It would seem as if we're talking about, you know, for the, the person who maybe hasn't come across what we've been talk, what you've been talking about so far it may seem like we're, we're trying to, I guess another similar argument would be like saying, oh, we never landed on the moon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, that's not the debate here, but it would be as rat the ideas you've been saying could sound that radical to some people. And you know, I'm not commenting on the moon thing. That's, that's a different discussion for a different day, but, I encourage the listener and the viewer to go open up the US Patent Office website and start searching for human augmentation and your face will melt off. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: With the things that I've, I've seen that you will find where it talks about communication to and from a human brain where they can project a picture of someone on your thumb and that way the soldier, cuz it's, it's obviously a soldier cuz they're holding a weapon and they can identify the target and they can, whoever's watching what the soldier's. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In real time can communicate messages to the soldier. And this is under, you know, searching for [00:25:00] human augmentation. These are patents that have been filed and passed and you know, I mean, are they lying? Sure, maybe they are, but it's there at the US Patent Office. This is not something shocking. This is something that's actually written in public documentation. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Yes, absolutely. I think that the, the more you open your mind, the more fantastic the story becomes. And what people also need to understand is that science has been heavily compartmentalized. You know, US doctors who are being kept so busy on very specific topics. There's very few doctors who studied nanotechnology, electrical engineering you know, synthetic biology. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So, For somebody who doesn't have that background. It's very challenging to see these things and to understand the concepts. So it, it requires a interdisciplinary conversation [00:26:00] because somebody who doesn't understand that nanorobotics is already so far advanced that, that we now have, I mean, computers on a nano scale that. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: That, that is something that, that's very challenging to comprehend for a regular primary care doctor, you know, who prescribes antibiotics, for example. It's, it's just that, that the, the amount of information needed to see a broader picture is phenomenal. And I also think. This is clearly also a spiritual war. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And what I mean by that is is that it is, it is an attack of everything that we value as human beings and who we are as human beings, how we relate to each other. You know, I mean, the WF wants us you know, to own nothing and be happy and, you know, be [00:27:00] so, be basically living in a virtual metaverse reality. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: In some smart city irradiated. And so I think that, that, that's another challenging component for a lot of people to understand is that without understanding the broader agenda, the depopulation agenda, the, the poison of the food supply, our heirs, that, that our entire planetary ecosphere has been under siege. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You know, and it becomes such a large picture for people that that psychological might be very challenging for them to comprehend. But without us informing ourselves about these things, we, we cannot adequately fight the right battle. It's, it's, you know, we're, we're in a war and a lot of people are not understanding, Hey your capital is being nuk. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You know, with nanotechnology kind of thing. And, and they're just, you know, fighting with the cavalry, you know, on, [00:28:00] on some field. It, it's just, it, it's just, you cannot see the full spectrum of, of what is going on. It's very, very complicated. Yeah. And I want to kinda, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I wanna go kind of a, a different direction here for a second and just give a, a fictitional world right where, We're fighting this enemy cuz we, we are in a spiritual battle. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I've been saying that from the very beginning, and I truly believe this is, this is a fight in the unseen realm. This is not against flesh and blood, against the rulers and principalities of darkness. But also there is a, a real battle because something is trying to, to get this nano synthetic parasite, this nano synthetic technology into every human. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then it makes you begin to wonder why would they be doing this? Who would be doing this? Who has this technology? You know, is it is. Ccp, is it China? Is it Russia? Is it Iran? Is it America? Is it, is it even a nation state? Or could there be something outside of a nation state that has sentience, that is [00:29:00] aware and alert and is trying to preserve itself? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Trying to keep from being eradicated from the face of the earth because it wants to preserve itself and it knows humans are, you know, we, we react to fear and with fear to everything. If it can have a human brain cloud backup, let's say, by getting people to convince themselves that they need to take this n nano synthetic parasite that allows something to take over their brain and use some of their processing power, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, think of like, like Bitcoin, right? You've got this decentralized money system and you know that they're doing algorithms on the surface, but could there be something underneath that surface that's using brain power? Like an artificial super intelligence type of idea that's trying to preserve itself so that when we figure out that it's around, cuz this is every single movie since the beginning of movies, once we figure it's around, we're gonna try and take it out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How would we take it out? Well we, you know, maybe an E M P, but if it's on human [00:30:00] brains that are connected into the internet of bodies, Could, could, could that be a logical theory? Could that be something that, that might happen? Or is that just something that my brain just kind of came up with just now and, and is way too farfetched because I, I remember watching this movie called Colossus a Foren project and I encouraged the listeners to go watch it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's really interesting because if you remember back. A few years ago, I think it was, Facebook came up with some sort of artificial intelligence and they had two of them connect and they started talking and then pretty soon they ignored everybody and developed their own language and ignored everything. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well that it didn't come from the movie in 1972, but that same exact thing happened in 1972 in this movie Colossus a Foren project. So was it telling us that, hey, you know, this is probably what would happen and then it actually did happen. So should we, should we be concerned that artificial super intelligence. behind all this. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Yes. And then who programmed the super you know, the the the [00:31:00] AI and where did it come from? So, I mean, this really gets into other historical perspectives. You know, there's you know, even from the time of sum, all kinds of. We know historical perspective on this. I do think that this war has been going on for thousands of years. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: If people are biblical scholars, you know, we know about that and it's just people have different languages for things. I do believe that this is clearly a demonic. Type of an attack, but it's highly intelligent if you think about this hive mind that we've seen. And I just wanna remind people of lockstep how all of the governments of the world were in unison and they did the same thing and nobody argued with each other. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And I always laugh because I try to correlate that with the freedom movement, for example. We're still individuals and we're annihilating each other, suing each other, you know, fighting each other. But how, what is so [00:32:00] interesting is that, that the idea of the hive mind, that's actually controlled by a superpower that gives. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You know, people, human beings, power over others. You know, money, power, greed, sex, whatever your addiction is, you can have it if you sell your soul because these people no longer have a conscience. They have no problem with eliminating two thirds of the known world. You know, they have, and they have also proclaimed their, their views, you know, even on the Georgia guidestone, et cetera. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So I think. That first of all, no idea is off the table because as soon as you censor yourself and says, oh no, this is too farfetched, you, you are not allowing the full spectrum of reality to really to uncover. We are experiencing a movie of the Matrix that you can't [00:33:00] even fathom that how bizarre our reality is, how contrived, how everything has been a lie and ultimately, And what's so important is, you know, Let's say I look at the freedom movement and some people, you know, they say, okay, it should be all just about, you know, you should have the choice whether or not you take a vaccine or not, but what about the fact that, you know, a big pharma has been trying to kill people and poison people forever. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And that, you know, a lot of the science that is behind a lot of what, what medicine is prescribing. You know, statins are mitochondrial toxins. You know, they cause all diseases of aging. They cause arteriosclerosis and congestive heart failure. You know the, the suppression of nutritional medicine, the suppression of technologies that are based on frequencies that are able to heal people. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: What we are seeing now is the weaponization of a technology, but you could use the same idea of like a 5G frequency. You can, you can [00:34:00] manipulate that with a frequency that's healing and you could heal the entire planet with the you know, with a push of a button. So all things in this polarized reality are either good or they can be used for the good, or they can be used for extreme evil. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Unfortunately, we are sort of in the total. Zone here, but I personally believe that nothing's off the table. Who did Eisenhower meet with in 1947? You know, what really happened as Roswell? You know what happened with Thomas, a queen of the Saint Satanist general in the military, you know, was, it was developed psyop mind warfare. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Why is the media controlling our observation? Why is the human observation so important? If we have a science called quantum physics that says humanity by through observations collapsing reality, we are creating reality. So by keeping us in fear, by keeping us, you know, in this continuous lack, we are creating a [00:35:00] collective reality that is just that if we stop believing that and we become. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Love. We actually become a collaborative brotherhood. We awaken spiritually, not, not in the sense of just one religion of Christianity versus you know, Islam versus Judaism. All of these are artificial constructs just like you know, race, gender, creed. They're just trying to separate us. But if we come to the point of realizing that as humanity in our diversity, we are. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Are brilliant. We could create a phenomenal world of, of magnificent that that doesn't have to be destroyed through synthetic biology because it is already enormously beautiful and magnificent as it is. Nobody needs to mess with our D n A. It's phenomenal. So I think that that, looking at it from that perspective, you know, ultimately we [00:36:00] are not here just to point out how horrible things are, but we are here to basically say W we will not have this. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: We are creating a world that we like to see. And the more we speak about it, the more we are creating that reality, the more people are waking up, eventually that shift will occur and we'll find antidotes for all of this misery. At least that's how I see it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, I agree completely. Like if someone's listening to this, then they're at least questioning enough to be able to hear what we've been talking about. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And and to give it legitimate thought to go, okay, maybe it sounds crazy, but let me look into it. Maybe there's some truth behind this because these are both intelligent people who have done some research and they're like, huh, maybe if they, they could come up with that postulation or that thought or theory, then maybe that's really possible because there's so much that we don't know. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and, and just going back to that, this is a spiritual battle this. There's this really good book [00:37:00] out there called The Unseen Realm by Michael Heiser. He's a PhD and he speaks multiple ancient languages, and he walks you through how that idea of the unseen realm is, is woven through the entire Old Testament. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But if you're not from the second Temple Jewish era, you're not gonna understand that. And, and he just, he opens up the entire Bible. It changes everything and yet changes nothing. But it takes the scales off your eyes so that you can see. There is an evil force whispering in the ear of mankind saying, do this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It'll be good for you, or it'll be good for them. But in reality, we see the results. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Yes, and this is why the soul is so important. What you did was you listened to your soul because you could no longer look into your own eyes or your children's eyes and live with the consequences of what they wanted you to do. I did the same thing. And the fact is that [00:38:00] if we follow our soul, that soul voice is indestructible. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: I mean, I don't care what they come to me yet, you know, and, and I've, I've died a couple times almost already. And, and, but ultimately it's irrelevant because that aspect of us that is immortal, that is divine, that has purpose. You know, it, it will not falter, it will not give in to any threat, and that is, is the power of humanity. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: The power of no has such a phenomenal spiritual value and the more that people are resonating with that is important because, I mean, I see a lot of people who, who are against what's going on, but because. Paycheck. They don't wanna leave the system because they would lose their income, et cetera. If you could lose your soul, you know, maybe you should lose your [00:39:00] income and, and make some other choices and become ingenious in working on different solutions. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: But as long as people remain within the system and support it. And continue to, for example give the shots even though they know that they cause harm. At some point you have to stand up. You don't answer to some outside judge. You answer to your own soul and what have you done towards your fellow man. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So I think that's very important. And in the same aspect, we. While they only have fear, they have destruction of life. If we hold tight onto love, onto brotherhood and remember these values, which I think is important again, in the freedom movement, seeing, you know, how people treat each other there you know. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Every word that we say and how we are has a frequency value. And if you believe in quantum physics, a frequency value is a parallel reality. If you [00:40:00] wanna shift to a reality that has a greater future outcome of extraordinary potentiality for humanity, extraordinary health, longevity, you know, brilliant. I, in my book, light Medicine. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: It's called light medicine and New paradigm, the Science of Light, spirit and Longevity. I have made a very specific point that the merging with artificial intelligence is not the greatest future of humanity. We have 90% of our brain that's. Untapped in capacity. We have so much d n a that's never been unraveled in its potentials. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: What can we do as humans if we really stop believing in the nonsense that's being fed to us in this social slavery system? What kind of brilliance could we produce and, and be part of in, you know, in this galaxy and beyond? It could be phenomenal and I think. But humanity has [00:41:00] phenomenal divine potential. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it's a great point. I mean, just the, the idea of going to the gym, lifting some weights, changes your DNA and what's expressed, and it changes your physical form. And, and now you have bigger, stronger bones with bigger, stronger muscles and tendons and your mind becomes stronger and you're, it's easier to say no and you need to say no and it, that's one way you can. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: who you are. Change your body. Change your, your, the expression of who you are by changing, physically, changing yourself by what we do and, and saying no to certain things. You know, that's, as you exercise that no muscle becomes easier. And, and I think it's a really good point. What, what is it to gain the world and lose your soul? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, you know, let's say you may not have been the person you wanted to be in the past. We'll start standing up now. Right now is the time to stand up and say no. Whether it's wearing a mask, because if you don't wholeheartedly believe that a [00:42:00] mask will protect you from a virus, and we all know that it doesn't and, and that all the studies have shown that they don't protect from a virus. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, the virus is half the size that an N 95 can stop. And so you're lying and to continue to lie makes a false reality and, and you're teaching your children to lie and you're teaching your neighbor that it's okay to lie. And then what's the next lie? Because it gets worse. It doesn't stop With that. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Absolutely. I totally agree with you. And so I do think though, on that mental hijacking level, people need to be aware that they are influenced at all times that their cell phones influence them. The artificial intelligence through the cell phones can interact with your bios field and it can program it, it can hack it. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And so you know, being more away from these devices turning off your 5g, if you can't get out of the city, it's a toxic [00:43:00] soup there. Of so much electromagnetic frequency if you're able to, you know, be out in nature to, you know, to be able to hear your own voice, you have to disconnect from the hive mind that people are plugged into. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And so making these choices drinking clean water, the city water's polluted full of things like fluoride and all other chemicals. You know, if you can get well water in a, in a countryside you know, and people say, well, that's too hard to do. Well, then you are gonna see the consequences. We are in the middle of a mass genocide and the mortality rates that we are seeing going up, they will continue to explode. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Explode. And I, I do think that people need to understand that our food supplies being contaminated. You know, how do we find clean food in our communities? Grow your own gardens because you are what you eat. If you eat poison, [00:44:00] you are gonna succumb further to what is going on, and you won't have the strength of mine and the clarity of mine to make. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Decisions and listen to the voice of your soul. If you have chronic fatigue and brain fog, you can't think, and that's their intent. This is why this C 19 has really affected people. I do functional brain wave. Testing with a WVU brain G in my office. And I'm telling you, I've seen 30 year olds whose brain has aged by 30 years functionally you know, in a couple months after they had quote unquote covid. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And when I looked at their blood, what covid was, was these hydrogel structures with law form. So this is, you know, interesting, interesting perspectives and you know, being on a good nutritional supplementation program. If you think about something like vitamin C, vitamin C is a key. Later, it binds to metals. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: If [00:45:00] you don't take it every day, you are gonna be having scurvy the next. So all of your processes in your body that are requiring immune support all your collagen synthesis needs vitamin C and we need it in much higher dosages than is recommended. So I love Linus polling and he talks about, you know, dosages that are go eight, 10,000 milligrams a day, I believe in this toxic environment. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: We do need something like that according to your bowel tolerance. And then, you know, doing your other supplements, checking your, your levels of things like vitamin D three and making sure that they're adequate, at least greater than 75, less than a hundred. . So these things do help a lot to support yourself nutritionally organic food. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You know, and then being aware, I do think that there's a tremendous effort online to create negativity, to tack people who speak the truth. [00:46:00] And then there's like this infighting as soon as you get into a war. Remember this, the biblical saying is what? What you do to your neighbor, you do to yourself biochemically. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: The way this looks like if you get mad at your neighbor or you hate them, you are producing incoherence and the molecules of hate and anger in your body. In the telomere studies, telomeres are cupping structures of your D N A. It's been shown that people who are depressed, angry that their lifespan is reduced by up to six years and chronic diseases occur, so there's a clear connection between your mind and your body. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So to love your neighbor. It is not just something good that you do for your neighbor. It is something that you do for your own health to practice forgiveness and allowing, you know, if I think that somebody's totally off, you know, I, I speak my truth, [00:47:00] but then I let, I let it be and I just walk away and I disengage. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: I don't go. Fighting with people because the, the, the vibratory frequency of that is not helpful to anybody. And I just think that, that we are forgetting about that. There's a lot of infighting going on. Absolutely. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, you've alluded to, and I'm not gonna say names of anything, but we both know people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I don't think it's an isolated case of people in this freedom movement suing other people in this freedom. And I'm certainly not gonna say any names of who is doing the suing because I don't wanna get sued and I don't want to be silenced or, you know, suicided or anything like that, because these are people who have lots of power. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Who makes you wonder, whose side are you on? Are you really on the freedom side? Are you on the truth side? Are you on, you know, God's side or nature's God? And, and so it makes, it makes you wonder or you at least. You at least know that the this, the old saying is you will know them by their fruit. And [00:48:00] if they, if their fruit is love in bringing people together, then they're good. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: It, it's broader than that. For example, you know, there are people who are what's called in the no virus camp, you know, and, and they're fighting against the people in the virus camp. Who knows whether or not there's a virus. It's probably, you know, scale interferometry or whatever. So I, but, but if people forget we're on one side of the army, you don't shoot your own troops. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You know, I, I remember, I, I, I shared this one post of Project Veritas. They get the nastiest emails of How Dare I. Something that has the word virus in there. I'm like, are you nuts people? I mean, go play with yourself. I don't wanna hear from you, . It just, it just, I think that, that people need to understand. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I love how you take the virus theory, the train theory, and then you go to the third rail with the scaling weapon theory, . Dr. Ana Mihalcea: It's like, we don't know. [00:49:00] See, this is the thing. It's like what I'm endeavoring to say, and I love that you are humble enough to, to do. I believe that we are up against a superpower that is technologically advanced by a good century, if not more, to what the brightest minds of us currently. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: You can say a doctor like we are, are pretty bright people, but we are compared to the technological, the weapon system that we're seeing we're a century behind at least. And so what, what is important is humility in this journey that, you know, the truth that I find out today and share is not my truth tomorrow because I'm evolving as I'm learning. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And I am endeavoring to share with people as much as I can because I'm endeavoring to help others. If we as, as a, as a humanity can [00:50:00] come to some form of an agreement like that, that we don't have to agree with each other. But you know, we have one common enemy that's trying to eliminate two-thirds of the known world, and maybe we should focus on that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. And that's, I think that's a perfect place to wrap this up, is that we need to come together. We need to be peaceful and forgiving with each other. And I truly appreciate you coming on and talking, and I've learned new things and you know, I, I'm a big fan of chlorine dioxide, but as you notice, like I'm humble enough to say, okay, ed, then it's not as great as, as I thought it was. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's, you know, it's, it's not the best thing to learn. Like I don't wanna learn that I'm been wrong about some things, but it's better to learn that I'm wrong and know now the. And, and to move forward and to learn more and, and be able to help other people. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So what I would, would recommend, for example, people do their own studies. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: So one of the ways that we have studied is we took the, the, the water of ionized foot bath from vaccinated people and cultured that [00:51:00] water and then incubated that over time with different compounds. And seeing under the microscope what would happen to these structures and how long would it take for them to dissolve. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: And so if more people did research like that, then we can really figure it out or do the I know that. There have been light blood analysis done with chlorine dioxide and it definitely dissolves the roo, but what does it do for these, these structures? So I am not saying that chlorine dioxide isn't of a, a fantastic remedy, and it might help a lot of people. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: My personal experience is, Is that people have had some short-term improvement, then their long covid symptoms came back and that, you know, their blood wasn't clear. This is just my personal experience. I'm sharing it and I'm encouraging others to do their own research and verify what they're finding. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think it's wonderful. And I, and I, again, I love the humbleness and, and Thank you so much for coming on and sharing all of this wonderful bits of information that you've been able to uncover and keep, [00:52:00] keep researching and to all the listeners and the viewers, do your own research. Figure out what you can, because you can do a lot more than you think you can. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's, it's these, these people that think they have stic. That o only I can do it. Only I can do the research. That's not true. You can do research. You have eyes and ears and you have senses, and you can determine different things. You can figure things out, and that's how it used to be. Everyone would figure it out for themselves and then we'd bring that together and we'd go, okay, well let's put all this in the sunlight and see which one grows and which one dies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we need to start doing that again. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Yes. And if people wanna find out more, they can also visit my ck. It's a n a Anna mi hacha, my last name, mdph.ck.com. And I write a lot of articles about many different things as well as therapeutics. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Dr. Mi Hacha, thank you so much. Dr. Ana Mihalcea: Thank you so much.[00:53:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the. The full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

Today I talk with Justin from “The Saved Show.” He was in the Marines and now married with children. He is living a life for the Lord and he has a podcast to tell others about his journey. We talk about life and how we find direction. Next week I will be talking to Dr. Ana Mihalcea and how she uses chelation and other methods to get the stuff from the jab out of your body if you got the jab and how to get it out of your body even if you didn’t get the jab. That’s right it may affect you even if you didn’t get the jab yourself. As always please like, share and subscribe. I now have a Patreon account (see link below). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. If you have a vaccine injury (from any vaccine or have any injury that you think may have any relation to any vaccine) please report in their civilian equivalent to VAERS. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff Email: afterhours@1791.com Telegram: https://t.me/afterhourswithdrsigoloff Instagram: @afterhourswithdrsigoloff Clouthub: @DrSigoloff TruthSocial: @DrSigoloff Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/AfterHoursWithDrSigoloff Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_ng3WYVhnctCYq6Rom07g Givesendgo: https://www.givesendgo.com/G37EN Please check out a friend and his custom products. Flag Sign and Tumblers themustardseedshop.net https://www.facebook.com/groups/themustardseedshop/?ref=share

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All right, so today I have a very special guest, and so his name is Tom Haviland. And. Tom is a retired major from the Air Force, and he's worked in various sectors. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's an engineer, uh, by trade. Um, he's worked in some, um, in some different, how do you, how would you say that? Tom Haviland: Just different program offices, aircraft program offices. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's retired. Retired back in 2009. Uh, Sitting around at home. He saw this, this past Thanksgiving. He saw this one movie, and there's been a lot of controversy over this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have some friends that were in the movie. Um, I was not in the movie, I was not involved in the movie at all. It's called Died Suddenly. And in that movie, um, you know, some people are quibbling that, oh, well it, you know, it's not a hundred percent completely accurate. Well, it was pretty accurate. Okay? So the amount that may not have been inaccurate, may have been inaccurate was maybe 1%, maybe 10% or less. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What they des described and showed was very [00:03:00] accurate for what we are seeing. And um, you know, there's, there's always the detractors that say, oh, well, you know, this one little video of someone collapsing may not have been accurate. Okay. But what about the overall overarching theme of the entire video was correct. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so, Tom, when you were watching this, what happened? Tom Haviland: Well, you know, when it first started, it's about an hour long documentary and about half of the film is, uh, devoted to. These embalmers that are seeing these strange white, fibrous clots. But when the movie first starts, they start off showing like Bigfoot in the moon landing. Tom Haviland: And I, I said, what's going on here? So, but you know what? I decided to stick with the movie and I'm glad that I did. It's about, uh, 13 minutes and 15 seconds into the film. An extraordinary statement is made, Dr. A, uh, embalmer from the state of Indiana. Mr. Wallace Hooker, who owns his own funeral home there was lecturing at an Ohio Bomber's Association conference in Columbus, Ohio on the 26th of October in 2022, just a couple months [00:04:00] ago. Tom Haviland: And during that lecture, it was a three hour lecture, he was speaking to a room about 100 balm. . And at one point he showed photographs of these white fibrous clots that he's been pulling out of his corpses for about the last year and a half when he first started seeing them. And he asked the audience of a hundred bombers, have you been seeing these white fibrous clots? Tom Haviland: And he said, almost all of the 100 embalmers in the rooms raised their hand. Yes, they are seeing these white fiber clots. So then the next question he asked him is, well, when did you start seeing them? And the whole group agreed that it started about 16 to 18 months. In the middle of 2021, which is about six months after the vaccines rolled out the Covid 19 vaccines. Tom Haviland: Is it a coincidence or is there some kind of correlation? You know, who knows, right? But it is kind of suspicious. So I thought that was an extraordinary statement, regardless of, like you said, what happened to the rest of the movie, and there were some problems with the accuracies in the rest of the movie.[00:05:00] Tom Haviland: That statement is either true or it's false, right? Either those 100 revolvers raised their hands or they didn. So I went to bed. This came out the week of Thanksgiving and it was the a Monday, the week of Thanksgiving. I got up the next morning, Tuesday morning and I said, you know, I bet you. Uh, journalist in America is gonna follow this story and find out what's going on. Tom Haviland: So I decided to do it myself. I live in Beaver Creek, Ohio, which is a suburb of Dayton, Ohio. It's about an hour north of Cincinnati, which is where the headquarters for the Ohio Bombers Association is. So I called them and I talked to their secretary and Mr. Dan, uh, David Hicks. I talked to their president of Mr. Tom Haviland: Dan Becker, and I talked to their second vice president of Mr. Woody. And I asked them, did you happen to be in the room at the time that Mr. Wallace Hooker said that he, uh, asked this 100 bombers to raise their hands? And they, he said that they did. Unfortunately, none of the three of the three gentlemen happened to be in the room at the time, but the last gentleman, Mr. Tom Haviland: Woody Wilson, [00:06:00] the second vice president who owns a. Um, funeral home up in Marysville, Ohio, about an hour north of me. And he also, uh, does his own embalming. A lot of funeral directors do with their own own embalming as well. Mr. Woody Wilson, uh, said that, Tom, I've been seeing the white fibrous clots. So I said, wow. Tom Haviland: You know, here's confirmation, right? I've met a guy who's seen these white five verse clo. So I wasn't sure where to go from there. Uh, Dr. Sam, so I, first thing I thought about is maybe I should contact my state attorney general. So, you know, he's the highest, uh, office, uh, law enforcement officer in the state. Tom Haviland: He, you know, Kind of controls all the sheriffs and the sheriff count and, and the counties, 88 counties in Ohio. And I, and I, uh, wrote an email to him saying, I don't know if there's a crime that's been committed here. I don't think there is. But we have a situation where we may have these 100 bombers that are part of this, uh, Ohio Embalmers Association. Tom Haviland: That are seeing these white fibers, clots, but [00:07:00] nobody seems to be speaking out about it publicly. Should you do something about it? Should you investigate? You know, should you call the Ohio Involves association, get a roster of everybody attended, and then, you know, do some investigation. Find out, get them on the record as to scene whether they see these clots or not. Tom Haviland: unfortunately crickets, Dr. Sam from the State Attorney General's office, nothing, no response. I finally, eventually got a response just saying, thank you for your, for your SU submission to us. And that was it. There was no nothing like, you know, we're gonna act on this, we're gonna do anything. So I said, oh, great. Tom Haviland: You know, so the next thing I said, well, what, what should I do now? Well, uh, multimillionaire Steve K. , who actually I think was the inventor of the optical mouse and made millions and millions of dollars because of that and has, has been involved in other corporations. He, when the whole vaccine, uh, COVID vaccine thing came out and he started to see injuries with it, he actually left his multimillion dollar job and decided to start a vaccine [00:08:00] Safety research foundation. Tom Haviland: And he posts a CK article, uh, every day and. , I decided to comment on one of the CK articles with this information that about, you know, talking to the, the three officers at the Ohio Bombers Association and, you know, getting one of 'em to say, yeah, I've seen the white fiber clots. Uh, there was about 800 comments that CK article that day and what was interesting is there was. Tom Haviland: And I put my co my own contact information in the combat. I put my email address and my phone number, uh, and I got one call. I got one call from a young woman up in Northeast Ohio, not too far from where I live. Uh, and her name was Laura Kasner. And Laura, uh, eventually it's, I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but she happens to be an expert in SurveyMonkey, an online survey tool you can use to, you know, to conduct surveys wherever you want to. Tom Haviland: That's exactly what I had in mind. I wanted to do a survey [00:09:00] nationwide to try to corroborate these six or seven embalmers that were in the movie died suddenly that said they were seeing these white fibrous clots. And also, you know, maybe try to get some of the Ohio embalmers and other embalmers from around the nation to come forward and say, and yes, we're seeing these two. Tom Haviland: So that's what we did. We, uh, I created, uh, a, like any good reporter, you answer the question. Who, what, where, when, why, and how. I left two of the questions out. The who, because there's a little, there's a sanctity to the embalming room. You don't like to talk about the dead, and you know by name. Also the involves themselves. Tom Haviland: I could sense that they were a little leery about wanting to answer a survey with their full name, so we'll, I said, we'll, we'll allow them to answer the survey anonymously without knowing who they are. But you know, knowing maybe what state they're from, we'll ask 'em what state they're from, but that's it. Tom Haviland: We won't ask them for their name or any, I. Identification. The other question, uh, embalmers are not really qualified to answer is [00:10:00] why, why these clots are forming. You know, they're, they're just embalmers. So the questions I focused on are, what, what are you seeing? Are you seeing these fibrous clots when, you know, when did they start, when did you start seeing them? Tom Haviland: Where, where in the body are you finding these white fibers, clots? And then how much you know and what percentage of your corpses are you seeing these white fibers clots? So the survey centered around those four questions. I also asked a couple questions. One of the bombers, the Mr. Woody Wilson, who's uh mentioned earlier, the second vice President of the Ohio Bombers Association and a funeral home owner in Almer himself also said, Tom, I've seen an increase in the number of traditional jelly clot. Tom Haviland: uh, they've, they've been around for, those are the one reddish in color r uh, called jelly clots, red jelly, great, great jelly clots or current jelly clots. And he says, I've noticed an increase in those as well actually starting in the year of covid. And then, um, uh, you know, increasing as [00:11:00] well in the years 2021 and 2022. Tom Haviland: And I've also seen an increase in the viscosity of those. So I got the, it was about seven questions to the survey. got that all finished up and then I gave it to my assistant Laura to load into SurveyMonkey. So then the next thing I had to do, Dr. Sam, is figure out, well, how am I gonna distribute this thing? Tom Haviland: You know, how am I gonna get it out to all these active embalmers all over the country? So I used a two-prong approach. I decided to use a top-down approach. I contacted by telephone the, uh, presidents of the 30 largest states in America by population. Uh, their, their. State Funeral Director associations. Tom Haviland: So, uh, yeah, to distribute the survey to them. So I sent the survey and I put a link to it in the, in the email that I sent to them. And then, you know, they, these, uh, associations have hundreds of members underneath them. Ohio was kind of a strange case, but Ohio had actually two embalmer associations as well as a funeral director of association, [00:12:00] you know, the, the Ohio Embalmers Association, the Cincinnati that I mentioned earlier, and then an association of embalmers of Cleveland, Ohio. Tom Haviland: So I sent that to them as well. But most states don't have that. They just have a funeral director association. So I sent it to, to those, uh, most populated 30 states. And I also used a bottom up approach. I actually went. On the web and I found the, uh, email addresses for over 800 funeral homes. So, for example, like in California, I sent, uh, the survey to funeral homes in the Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland areas, for example. Tom Haviland: So we used this two-pronged approach, this, you know, kind of top down approach through the, uh, state associations to send down to their members. And then this bottom up, By sending directly to the funeral homes. So despite. Uh, sending out to all those, uh, addresses. We only got 128 responses, which I was a little disappointed with because I was preferring to get [00:13:00] something in the area of 300 or 400 responses to get a little bit more statistical significance. Tom Haviland: But I still think that the 128 responses that we got, Dr. Sam are uh, a good enough to show a signal. Cause the interesting thing is, out of the 128 revolvers that responded to the survey, 88 of them said they are indeed seeing these white fibers clot. , that's 69%, 69%, almost seven out of every 10 of Bulmers responding saying they are seeing these white fibrous clots. Tom Haviland: So that got my attention right away. The next question that we had in our survey was, uh, what years did you see these white fibrous clots? And I gave them the option of not one year, but you know, I gave them years, plural, at, on the survey. And on the survey we had the years 2018 through 2020. . So 2018 and 2019 I put on there control years, you know, before covid hit it at all. Tom Haviland: And then 2020, of course is a year that we had the Covid [00:14:00] virus, but no vaccines yet. And then 2021 and 2022 as years that we had both the uh, covid virus and the vaccines. And the results were that the main consensus of the embalmers are that the clots, these white fibrous clot. started in the year 2021 and then continued into 2022. Tom Haviland: There was a small amount, you know, that which would implicate the vaccines as a possible cause. Right? Uh, there were a, there was a smaller amount about a third of those involved. I saw the clot start in the year 2020. And my theory around that, in theory, that I've heard, heard other doctors, I'm not a doctor, but I've heard doctors talking about this, is that the code virus itself has a spike protein on the surface. Tom Haviland: and that spike protein tends to form what's called amyloid proteins. Basically misshaped misfolded protein. that then can, can then, uh, be difficult to break [00:15:00] down in the body. We all have a, uh, enzyme called plasma that's used to break down internal clotting. You know, internal clotting could be good when your, your body's trying to repair a blood vessel, but then that clot needs to be broken down at some point so blood can flow freely. Tom Haviland: Again. Plasma's used, uh, uh, is an enzyme in our body that does that for us, but it becomes difficult for the enzyme to attach to. Folded protein and these spike proteins have a, uh, from the covid virus, have a, have a tendency to, uh, form these misshaped misfolded proteins that then become difficult for the enzyme to attach and break it down. Tom Haviland: My theory is that effect got supercharged in 2021, in 2022 with the introduction of the vaccines. Cause if you recall the vaccines themselves, you know, were supposed to stay in your upper arm, produce just a limited amount of the spike protein. And do it for a few days to a week or so, right? Just enough to elicit an immune response from your firm, your immune system. Tom Haviland: But we know that's not what happened, right? [00:16:00] The shots go all over your body. The mRNA didn't stay just in your upper arm. And we've also, uh, discovered that the mRNA can produce the spike protein, turn your body into a spike protein factory. For months as opposed to just days or weeks. So my theory is, is that it's, it's helping to, you know, supercharge and produce more of these misfolded amyloid proteins that then turn into these white fibrous clots. Tom Haviland: Now that's speculation, but you know, and more scientific research needs to be done. But I think it is a plausible theory, and like I said, several doctors out there have been touting that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, let me, um, there's a couple things you said that I think are really good that I want to kind of hone in on. I, I really like how you took out the, the who, right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because I don't think embalmers have the HIPAA laws like doctors do, but you still wanna give that respect to the deceased and, and to the families and, and the why. I think that's very prudent to say, you know, you are not educated in d. And, and treatment. And, and so you, you really can't say why. And that's [00:17:00] not a dig at anybody in any stretch of the imagination. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No. That is just, Tom Haviland: they don't take it as one either. It's just they understand that's not their, that's not their job. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Uh, one thing that you had, um, said about there is an increase in the current jelly clots. So current jelly clots are just kind of these, these, like, they look like, like current jelly. It's, it's a food we always. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Things as food. They're reddish, strange color, strange things that doctors do. Yeah. Yeah. The kind of reddish in color, they're really, they're, they're like gelatin. And that's normal clots that we see, that we've been seeing since all of eternity. And, um, I think that the, so my theory is a little different than some other docs, but I think that the increase in the current jelly clots is, I would suspect that is from that spike protein that we're seeing from, from this virus or whatever toxin or whatever it is now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: the fibrous clots that were seen. I, I don't think now I, I am happy to say that I could be wrong and I probably am wrong and we'll find out in the future someday. [00:18:00] Um, but I don't think that the, these fibrous clots are from the spike protein. I think they might be from the lipid nanoparticle, cuz so many people they. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: they, they have a different approach to this whole thing. They think it's the mRNA, which is bad and there's lots of evidence that it, we may not be able to do that technology like that. We think we may be able to, and we may not actually be able, but let's say we can. , that technology does exist and we are able to do what we think we can do with it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that is about 50% or less than the injury that's actually coming from these injections. And I think the majority of the injury is coming from the, um, lipid nanoparticle. So these are the, they call it cholesterol, and that's what they put into these things because they told us that the, the shot would go into the arm, it would go into the del toy, and it would. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: they've done a couple things since then, and I noticed this as the doctor going, well, they're not withdrawing when they're injecting anymore. And they've changed that across the board for all injections, which is a terrible idea because sometimes you could hit into a tiny, tiny, small vessel and you always were supposed to withdraw first. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And [00:19:00] if you see a flash of blood, then you, you withdraw a little bit so that you don't inject, right? So you don't direct the, the injection directly into the vessel, which would take it into the, uh, the venous system and straight to. The rest of the body. Right? We don't want that cuz there could be particulate matter in there which could cause strokes and all sorts of problems. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So they, they, that's one thing they changed. But this lipid nanoparticle, we know by some declarations that I made where I referenced specific patents. We know that these lipid nanoparticles, these long hydrocarbon chains, they call D, they cause D iic, which is disseminated intravascular coag. Now that would be a traditional normal clot, not these fibrous clots. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Uh, we know that it causes other problems in the body. We know. They put in D S P C and D S P E and D S P C and D S P E are specific lipid nanoparticles that were both patented at the same time to get medications through the blood-brain barrier. So [00:20:00] they never intended for it to stay in the arm from, from the word go. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They lied to us from the start and that patent was believed from 2017. So it's, so some of it may. The mRNA and the gene technology, and there's also some people that think that mRNA and gene technology, we just, we're not that advanced. And if you look at the, the breakdown of, of these shots and this, this goes in particular to the people that say, oh, I got the, the dna, the one and, and done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not the mRNA. I don't know if that is the issue. DNA n a in itself makes me more concerned because it can go straight into your dna. N a, there is no intermediate, there's no reverse transcription needed. It just goes straight into your dna, n a. And a good example of that is chickenpox. If you get chickenpox once in your life, it goes into your dna, it stays in your DNA n forever, and that's how you get, um, shingles later in life. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Uh, so the mRNA DNA n a thing, I think those are not good arguments to say, well, at least it's not the mRNA. Well, but you had the dna. But I think the real [00:21:00] issue, the big problem is the bio weapon, which I think is the lipid nanoparticle and that may be causing these clots, these fibrous clots that are unnatural. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and one thing that I think that, go ahead. . Well, one thing that, um, that you had mentioned on another show, this is the Daniel Horowitz show, um, is that some of these embalmers were saying that they, where they found them, they found them in the, the arterial system. Now, one thing that could explain that is these, these fibers clots may have happened after the person was deceased. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but these clots are very unusual and, and there's actually video of people taking, of surgeons taking these fibrous clots out of. Arterial system and the venous system of living people. So it would make me think that these are probably all preformed before they were deceased. Tom Haviland: I, I, I think there's strong information to [00:22:00] indicate that they are being formed prior to death. Tom Haviland: Cause that was one of the arguments. Yeah. Is that one of the arguments is it was just blood coagulating after death. We know that's not true. They're white fibrin, fibrous structures. They've actually sent, uh, some off to a lab for analysis and they've come back, uh, saying that. There's very little iron, magnesium, or potassium in them. Tom Haviland: You know, you talked about the red, uh, grape jelly clots earlier. Those have been around, like you say, forever. They're reddish in nature because they contain a lot of iron. Right? Blood normally has a lot of iron in it. These white fiber structures don't contain iron. That's why they're, they're not reddish in nature. Tom Haviland: They're whiteish in nature. So we know that the, these white fibers, clots are not blood congealing or coagulating. So, so basically, What I did then is, uh, the next question I, I asked, like you say, is where in the body are you finding these white fibrous clots? And the two main injection site points for embalmers are the, uh, carotid artery in the neck. Tom Haviland: Yeah. [00:23:00] And then all the, the iliac artery down in the pelvis that goes down then into your femoral arteries. So it's not surprising that the embalmers found most of these white fibers claws as they're trying to. Put embalming fluid through the system at the injection site, their main injection site point. Tom Haviland: So the, uh, the main point that they found the clots was in the neck area is followed by the, uh, the legs. So the last question I, go ahead. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Go ahead. Um, I want to ask you about this real quick. Yeah. And, and if this wasn't specifically in there as a question, I don't know if anybody volunteered this. I spoke to a embalmer, uh, maybe a year ago now, and he was saying that typically he, he would only do in the carotid and in the jugular. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he, what they do is they, and I don't wanna get graphic too graphic, but I, I do have to explain some things. Think of these as tubes. And what they would do is they would, uh, cannulate the tubes or put something into the tube and they would. Fluid through it and it would come out the other tube. Okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So go in the artery, come out the vein, just like normal circulation. [00:24:00] And typically they could um, they would just do one injection site. And what this embalmer was telling me, I was talking to him for a different reason and just, we just haven't been able to line things up to have him come on cuz he, his father actually died of Cretz Yakka, um, which, goes into that misfolded protein thing that you were talking about, which is a very interesting, very and terrifying thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But so he, he said, normally we do one injection site and we can flush out the whole body, get all of the blood out, put the embalming fluids in there and it's fine. And he said, since he's noticed these shots have have started an uptick. He has to do five injection sites, so the head and neck, each arm and each leg. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Which, and he, it's because he, his reasoning is because there's so many of these fibrous clots in the arterial and the venous system that he can't get anything to pass through Now, couldn't have, could these have worsened after death? Sure. But there's a lot of evidence to show us that they didn't just worsen [00:25:00] after death, that they were present during. Tom Haviland: r right. They're seeing them in fresh bodies too, not just, you know, bodies have been sitting around in, in storage for a while. And, and, and I did have several co I'll read you several comments of the end, Dr. Sam, that, uh, that talk about that. Yeah. There's, there was one embalmer who, uh, said it used to take me about an hour and a half to do an embalming, but now that's about two and a half hours. Tom Haviland: Cause I gotta, I gotta keep stopping to try to pull these white fibers, clots out so I can get the fluid in. So, . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you could imagine your heart trying to pump against that, because these machines, I'm sure they can turn up the pressure on 'em, but eventually, like your heart can only go up so much in pressure and contractility. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so at some point something's gotta give. Tom Haviland: So it is, it is not surprising that people might be stroking out or having heart attacks or, you know, getting embolisms with these white fibers, clots, maybe breaking loose and blocking a [00:26:00] critical pathway in a circulatory system. So it all kind of pieces together, doesn't it? Tom Haviland: You know, the, the last critical question that we asked is, what percentage of your, uh, corpses are you seeing these white fibers, clots in? And that was an astonishing answer as well, Dr. There is a, uh, 57 out. The 128 in Bulmers that responded to the survey are seeing the clots in at least 20% of their corpses. Tom Haviland: There were 23 individuals, uh, uh, in Bulmers that saw the clots in 21 to to 40% of their corpses. There was another 23 embalmers that saw these white fibrous clots in 41 to 60% of their corps. and there was even 10 in Bulmers that are seeing these clots in 61 to 80% of their corpses. Can you believe that? Tom Haviland: I mean, it's shocking, isn't it? And one of the things we wanted to make sure in the survey, by the way, we were talking about the, the, the traditional clots earlier, they're the grape jelly [00:27:00] clots. And bulmers for years have also been seeing these things they call chicken fat clots. They've been around forever as well, where they're yellow. Tom Haviland: Uh, they're smaller and they tend to tear very easily. They're totally different than these white fibers, clots that are large whiteish in color and very tough, very hard to break. So we made sure to make that distinction before we had the embalmers take the survey so they could, you know, they weren't answering thinking. Tom Haviland: We're talking about, uh, chicken fat clots. Well, no, what we're talking about are these all new white fibrous clots. So it's, I mean, that's shocking the percentage of, uh, corpses that the uls are finding these clots. and it, and it correlates a little bit to, we know that 80% of Americans got at least the first two jabs. Tom Haviland: I was on the C'S tracker site the other day, and, uh, uh, it was close to 80% of Americans over the age of 18, took at least the primary series. Now, fortunately, Americans, I think, are starting to get the picture because this latest omicron bib booster that according to the CDC c's, [00:28:00] uh, vaccination tracker site, less than, just less than 20% have taken. Tom Haviland: Omicron Biva, booster of Americans over 18 years old. And, um, you know, that's, that's a good sign. It means the Americans, I think, are figuring out that the shots aren't working right. They're, they're getting shots, they're catching covid anyways. They're passing it to other people. They're hearing about things like myocarditis. Tom Haviland: Right? And I'm hoping they, they may start hearing some more things about these white fibers, clots, cuz I think it's also a serious contributor to, uh, this, this die suddenly phenomenon that we're seeing going. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. One thing I would like to see if any of the listeners or viewers are able to do this, um, and it may be difficult to do, um, but do some sort of overlay map where, you know, specific areas, states or regions to see if there's more of these fibrous clots reported compared to areas that, uh, may have received some of those batches that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: More related to injury or if there was a negative association, right? Because if people die as soon as they [00:29:00] get the shot, then they're not alive later to be embalmed, to have these fibrous clots in their bodies. Either one would be interesting. Tom Haviland: Yeah. The unfortunate thing was there is, you know, we, like I said, we only got 128 responses, so we really didn't have enough data in order to do regionality. Tom Haviland: Cuz if you think about, you know, I sent it to 30 states, so that means I only got on the average four responses per. You know, out of the 30 states I sent to, so that really wasn't enough to detect regionality. We did get responses from all over the country, but in the responses, and I'll tell you that in the responses we got, we saw, we from every single region we saw. Tom Haviland: Responses said they were seeing the clots and those that said they were not seeing the clots. And we did the, we also looked for any kind of red versus blue bias. You know, I, like I said, I sensed this, you know, red states like Texas, Ohio, and, and, uh, Florida. But I also sent them blue states like California, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York. Tom Haviland: And we didn't see, that was kind of refreshing. We didn't see any, uh, red, blue, [00:30:00] uh, bias because we. Uh, you know, blue states saying we saw the clots and those, those saying we didn't. And in red states we got those saying we saw the clots and those we didn't. But I rather do a more, uh, deeper study with, with um, with more data, with more responses, more deter, determine that regionality. Tom Haviland: Cause I know several of the, uh, folks I talked to mentioned the same question you have cuz there were certainly some, it sounds like there were some hot batches, right? That were sent to certain places and those that were not. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing that I, I'm glad that you did this is kind of look at, um, states and, and their political views a little bit, um, because I was listening to Steve D once and he was doing a round table with, um, Daniel Horowitz and I can't remember who else. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But one thing that Steve D had said was, you know, , could there be some mass? I don't think he used this, this is kind of my interpretation of what he said, but could there be some mass, um, formation around the shots? Right? So could certain states where you've gotta get this, I'm [00:31:00] gonna call it a sacrament because this is a religion. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Um, you have to get the sacrament and you know you have some mild injury from this, this sacred injection that they're putting into you. And I use that. Error quotes and lots of, um, ridicule. Um, and you, you have to put it in you. And let's say you have a minor injury, not a severe, where you're dead or severely IPA incapacitated afterwards, w would you be less likely because everyone around you is saying, this is the best thing ever. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This, this is the only thing that's gonna save you. Everybody's gotta get their shots. Would you be less likely to claim that you've been injured at all? And I think that's very reasonable cuz peer pressure is a very significant. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, it is. Tom Haviland: And, and, uh, there's a professor, I, you've probably watched some of his videos. His name is Mattias Desmond. I think he's from Belgium. He's done some videos with, uh, from various, uh, uh, interviewers where he talks about this, uh, formation of mass psychosis formation where people get locked into, like you say, their, their, their [00:32:00] particular view and they don't wanna move off of it no matter how much evidence you show them. Tom Haviland: To the contrary, it's almost as if it's a religion at that point. So, It's interesting you say that because I've noticed that myself. Uh, one of the things I actually did, this is kind of off the subject a little bit, but I, uh, was fired from my. Uh, defense contractor job, uh, in October of 2021, right after Joe Biden put out the mandates on the military, the, uh, defense contractors and the government civilians, and I refused to take the jab. Tom Haviland: And, uh, the, our three star general of my Air Force base in Wright Paterson, Ohio sent out an email that I thought was kind of insulting to those of us who weren't vaccinated, trying to guilt us into getting the the shot. So I sent back an email to him basically, Uh, a shame on you instead of standing up for our right to decipher ourselves whether or not to get injected with these experimental drugs. Tom Haviland: You chose to spend your time trying to guilt us into getting the jab shame on you. And I didn't just send the email back to the [00:33:00] general, I sent it back to all 30,000 people that work at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Ohio. Ohio. Yeah. Wright Patterson is the, uh, largest single site employer of the state of Ohio. Tom Haviland: And, uh, they pulled the, the email that I sent off the system fairly quickly, but it still got to thousands and thousands of people. And the reason I know that is, is after the. Incident, of course, about a half hour later I was called and I was fired from my $165,000 a year defense contractor job for, uh, shaming the general in front of everybody in the base. Tom Haviland: But it was worth it because there was no, no colonels, no generals, nobody fighting back, nobody pushing back on the mandate saying this is wrong. To, to, to, you know, demand that somebody be injected with an experimental drug totally violated the num bird code, totally violated any. ethics, it actually violated the core principle of which this country's founded on, which is individual liberty. Tom Haviland: Your decision to decide for yourself how you're gonna live your life. Amen. [00:34:00] Amen, Dr. Sam. So, but after that it happened, I actually, I stood out on a, uh, busy street corner for over 120 days with a sign saying, no vax mandate. During that time, I probably saw about a half a million cars go by me. It was, you know, had like four lanes of traffic each way, two turn lanes, you know, it was close to, yeah, it was close to a, yeah, close to a Walmart and uh, and a Best Buy and an Olive Garden and a Lowe's, you know, really busy area. Tom Haviland: And it was close to the base too, which was nice. Cause I see men and women in uniform coming to lunch and things. So I'd stand out there during all from lunchtime all the way through. , uh, rush hour going home. And what I would typically see Dr. Sam is, uh, about 70% of the drivers would do nothing. They're either busy in their day or they don't care, or they're afraid to speak out. Tom Haviland: There were about 20%, 20% who, uh, [00:35:00] liked the sign. He said, you know, gave me a thumbs up. Honk their horn, you. Waved at me. There was still that 10% though. These people that are locked into this mass formation psychosis Who said f you, you know, get the shot. You're killing grandma. Yeah. . So, yeah. And what was strange was, is over the, I I, I started holding the sign, actually before I got fired from my job. Tom Haviland: I, I spent my summer vacation or vacation in September of 2020. holding the sign for two weeks in a row, and then I did it over the whole next year. In about every few days or so, I'd go out and hold the sign all the way through the fall of 2022. And the, that, that percentage never changed. You would think as more data came in about how the, how the shots were getting worse and worse and how people could see they were breakthrough cases and it, it wasn't stopping you from cashing it or transmitting it. Tom Haviland: The, the ratio never really changed. The people that were locked in. to the mandates and getting the shot and loving the shot continue to do so [00:36:00] despite whatever information came out, you know, uh, against the, against the shots. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's something that's really interesting cuz that kind of corresponds with Milner and his experiment where, um, and if you haven't heard of it before, they actually did a pretty good movie on it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it was on Netflix. I don't think it was. Yes, sir. Uh, I don't think it was done by Netflix, but it was on them a while back. And the experiment was in the 1970s. And there's some ethical violations with this now, so they can't do experiments like this, but they, they had people come in and they had a guy in a white suit or a white jacket, white coat with a clipboard. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the person, um, was told that they were experiment, that the. Examining and watching the person that they were talking to, and they'd have this person answer some questions and they'd, you know, they'd be writing down and if they answered the, the person they answered the questions to that they couldn't see, but they could hear them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if they answered the question wrong, they were supposed to give a shock. And before they started the. , the whole experiment. They put the shocking device on the person who was asking the questions. He was [00:37:00] actually the, the, the person who was being evaluated, um, without their knowledge. And they gave him a few shocks and showed him how when it got stronger, this is what it would feel like. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so they, they knew. What it felt like. You know, at first it'd be like a snapping of a, a rubber band, and then it would get more and progressively stronger with every wrong question. The shock would get stronger and it would get so bad that the guy that they couldn't see that was, um, answering the questions wrong on purpose, that he was getting such a strong shock that he was screaming and pleading, please stop. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Please stop. I have a medical condition. Please stop. And then he'd stop screaming and they would still deliver the shock, all because. Position of authority. There was a person in a position of authority standing over them with a white coat and a clipboard, and about, I think it was about 10 or 20% stopped and said, I'm not doing this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're crazy. I'm not doing this. And that's about the same percentages that you're seeing, which is interesting that there's something different about that, that small percentage. But that's the same amount of percent. that made this country that [00:38:00] went against the crown that made this country, that's the same percent that that will save this country again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think it's interesting that while you were standing on a street corner, Holding a sign. I would've loved to have seen that. That would've been so encouraging to me. Cuz I was back in September of 21. That's right. When I was first suspended for medical practice, for giving out exemptions, um, to service members. Tom Haviland: God bless you by the way, for doing that. That took a lot of courage from your partner. I knew that. You knew you were putting your career at risk by doing that. Yes sir. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But just like you, like, you know, you can't force. It's my body. It's this whole, it's my body. It's my choice. This truly is my body that doesn't involve anyone else's body, and it is my choice. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I choose not to put a bio weapon into my body, especially when they lied about the lipid nano particles, how the lipid nano particles are dangerous, how they have incomplete, uh, safety data sheets, meaning the Secretary of Defense was in violation of his own Doty dod instructional of exposure in the workplace. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and I applaud you, sir, for giving a big, [00:39:00] um, Single finger salute to this general. Tom Haviland: My, my goal was if I could get a few people, especially like moms or dads, not to jab up their kids, you know, if I could get one mom not to jab up her child, then I consider myself successful. and I'm, I'm hoping that I did sway people because I didn't, I didn't just have the sign. Tom Haviland: I also had a megaphone and I would, you know, spout out, you know, with when the cars were stopped, if their windows rolled down on a nice summer day, I say, Hey, did you realize, you know, Rochelle Lewinsky and Joe Biden, his wife and Dr. Fauci all got four shots and they still got the covid anyways, then they took Paxil Vid and got Covid two weeks again later. Tom Haviland: You know, so you throw those kind of facts at 'em and it just makes it sound silly. Why are you continuing to get these shots right? So I would, you know, And every week new information would come out about how something getting is wrong with the, with the, with the jab. So it wasn't hard for me to get Dr. Sam Sigoloff: information. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing I also want to make sure I mention, cuz obviously the, this jab, and I don't call it a, a vaccine cuz it's not, it's a bio. It is a bio weapon. And the bio weapon is covered [00:40:00] under E Uua emergency use authorization. A couple weeks ago, I went to the dentist's office to get my teeth cleaned. They said, Hey, sir, there's a mask over there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Go ahead and put that on. I said, no, I choose not to enter into your experiment. I'm like, huh, what? And so eventually it led to the. officer in charge of the clinic, the OIC, to come out, talk to me. This Lieutenant Colonel Dennis, and I explained to him how under 21, USC 36, uh, B BBB dash one and 10, USC 1107 Alpha, it's illegal, unlawful for him to tell me to use, uh, a product that's under emergency use authorization because the surgical mass under a. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Under e u a. And so I have to accept all the risk if I do that. And I don't accept any of those risks and I choose not to. And then the other argument is, well, I could use a cloth mask. No, because it's not a medical device. It's clearly not a medical device. It's not gonna stop anything. Well, why would I use, uh, surgical masks that also will not stop anything as the best surgical mask we have are N 95 s and they can stop [00:41:00] 0.3 microns, which is pretty small. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: the virus is half that size at 15 microns, so it whis through both directions and never stops. Tom Haviland: God bless you for being, uh, non-compliant. Getting back to our survey admitted, like I said at the very end of the survey, like so, so the three main points by the way is, like I said, seven out of 10 in Bulmers are seeing these wifi verse clo. You know, like I said, 88, 88 out of the 128 respondent said they're seeing the clots. Tom Haviland: The, uh, consensus from the embalmers is that the clots, uh, first started in the year 2021 and continued into 2022, which suspiciously implicates the vaccines. And then the third big one is that, uh, in bulmers are seeing these, uh, white fibrous clots in some up to 50% or more of their corps. So that's a big deal, right? Tom Haviland: Those are so, and the next thing I wanna know or wanna do is actually try to get this information to all the. people like, you [00:42:00] know, thank you for helping me, uh, platform to get, get this information out. I'm trying to get it out to as many people as possible. Eventually get it to the c d C and f d I actually requested that I'd be able to speak today. Tom Haviland: There was a meeting that's taking place today at the f fda and they're given one hour for, uh, oral presentations. I actually requested to speak. They're given each speaker three minutes to. So 20 speakers. So I was gonna condense my, uh, surveyed results and, and give a three minute speech on this. Tom Haviland: Unfortunately, I was not selected as one of the speakers. They had a lottery and I did not get picked, but I did submit a written package with the results of my survey, you know, imploring them that this needs immediate investigation. And you, you, you, you. You think about, well, will the f FDA and C D C take any action based upon the actions they've take in the past? Tom Haviland: It's kind of, Hmm. So, you know, I've also, uh, I think another step needs to be taken is maybe, uh, put this in front of Congress and I'm, I'm actually in favor of putting a moratorium, a ban of, of five years on these mRNA injections [00:43:00] until big pharma can prove to us that they are not. Uh, unsafe because I think there's so much information out there that that proves. Tom Haviland: There were definitely some major problems with this, that we need to say, stop and not do this any anymore until they can prove to us that these, uh, that these injections are, are safe and effective. , which I, I believe they're neither , and Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I would agree with you wholeheartedly with the low caveat of let's not narrow it down to mRNA. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let's try and keep it wide with the lipid nano particle, because they're gonna start putting those into your traditional flu shots, your m m, uh, Mr, and all your childhood shots, because that, I believe that is the bio weapon te. . Tom Haviland: I see. Okay. So that's that's a good point. You know, and if congress, you know, Congress doesn't always, uh, do what we wanted them to do either. Tom Haviland: So I think that, you know, the last line of defense is you, right. You have the option of educating yourself. Of deciding whether or not you want to take these injections or not. [00:44:00] I've, for myself, I am definitely never taking any of these injections and so, you know, if, if all else fails the last line of defense or is the American citizen themselves. Tom Haviland: At the very end of the survey, we gave the embalmers an opportunity to provide comments if they wanted to. And what's interesting is in the survey we never mentioned the words covid. We never mentioned the word covid vaccine. In terms of these, all, we asked 'em about these white fibers, clots is, you know, are you seeing them? Tom Haviland: When did you see them? Where on the body did you see them? And, and, and what percentage of your corpses are you seeing them? We never mentioned covid vaccines or covid itself, but despite that, we got quite a few answers from embalmers that talk about the vaccines. So let me read a couple of 'em to you, Dr. Tom Haviland: Sam. Here's one from. I've seen clotting coming from most any of the points I of incision. I mainly embalm in common carotids, and I've seen many white fibers, clots about the [00:45:00] same time the vaccine came out. I've also seen an increase in CO since covid for the jelly clots. Here's a naysayer comment from California. Tom Haviland: I've never seen any white fibers, clots, or any increase in grape jelly clots. Not sure what you're getting. Do you believe this is vaccine related or something? I've embalmed over 500 people from 2020 to now, and I've never seen any of this. Here's another one from Ohio. People that were covid confirmed had bad great jelly clots. Tom Haviland: It was early 2021 when we started seeing the white fiber structures being pulled out of both the veins and the arteries, like you said, the, you know, um, Uls typically find these, uh, fine clots. The, the, the traditional grape jelly ones and these, uh, chicken fat clots, um, that are also been common for forever in the veins. Tom Haviland: Primarily. They usually, very rare that they find any in the arteries, but they're starting to find [00:46:00] these white fiber structures in the arteries as well. So he is go, to, go on, he says, prior to 2021, we never pulled a clot from an artery. I just pulled a white structure from the right common cortid y. Tom Haviland: Here's another one from Missouri. The clots look, uh, like large night crawler worms. They're usually very long. They kind of branch off from the main clot. I started noticing them after the Covid vaccine came out. I've been embalming for the last 13 years and have only started seeing these cloths for the last year, or. Tom Haviland: Here's one from Arizona, another naysayer one. I have seen zero changes to the presentation of human remains in the last few years. It is clear that this is a poor attempt at farming anecdotes to malign the Covid vaccine. Please don't do this or claim that any anonymous survey data is any sort of substitute for rigorous scientific. Tom Haviland: And this proof, by the way, [00:47:00] that I didn't, uh, I didn't discriminate against any answer, right? I kept all the answers to the survey I got. I trusted the integrity of the embalmers, taking the survey to tell me the truth of what they were seeing. And like I said, I threw no answers away. I kept everything, all the data that I, that I got. Tom Haviland: Here's another one from Idaho. My clients have had the Covid vaccine, have passed of Covid and have remarkably more clot. So much so that I began to ask families if their loved ones have had the vaccine. So he's one of the few that's done that most embalmers don't because you know, it's a time of grief for the family and they don't want to add any emotional pain by asking a, a question that's very controversial, like, Danielle, did your deceased loved one get the vaccine? Tom Haviland: So I can understand why in Bulmers, you know, tend not, and they don't usually deal with the, uh, the family as much anyways. Right? It's the funeral director who runs the funeral home that usually deals with the. Here's a really strange one. This is the scariest thing I've seen in the last [00:48:00] 20 years. I worry every day if me or my family have them growing inside of us. Tom Haviland: That's from an embalmer. So he's actually, you know, you see he's getting freaked out, right? He's doing these embalmings, he's finding lots of these white fibers, clots in his corpses, and he's wondering what's, you know, obviously he had the vaccine, must have taken the vaccine, and now he's worried about what's happening inside his. Tom Haviland: Here. I'll read you one last one here from Ohio. Some of the fibers. Cloths were six to 80 inches long, six to eight inches long, and almost impossible to break with forceps. That's how tough these are. So that I read you about eight uh, responses there. Six of them said they were seeing the clots and then two naysayers saying they were not seeing the clots, which was about the same ratio that we. Tom Haviland: You know, in the answer to that, the question about, uh, what percentage are seeing the clots? So I think it's definitely a signal. I think it's definitely, it's, uh, Houston, we have a problem here, and that further investigation needs to [00:49:00] be done to see what's going on with these white fibers, clots, and if they are linked in any way to the covid 19 vaccines. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it's, it's wonderful what you've done here tonight. What I particularly love about this is that you're not in the medical profession. You are a lay person, and that what that means is anyone can do what you did. . You don't have to be some, someone from an ivory tower of a medical community to go. I wonder if you can just start wondering if you don't need permission to wonder if, and, and you can set up the infrastructure to get good answers and Sure. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is not, you know, randomized controlled study. Right. We'll never have those for this. . And, and you had mentioned that it was maybe a coincidence that you, I don't think they Tom Haviland: wanna run 'em, do you? I, yeah. They, they don't wanna run. They, they're, I think Dr. Ryan Cole says it best. He says, basically, it's gonna be hard for you to find a problem if you don't go looking for it. Tom Haviland: Right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you're walking North Blinders, you can't see Period. , you'll never see the problem. You'll never see the answer. You'll never see anything. [00:50:00] Um, Tom Haviland: but I wa I was curious. I I wanted to know the answer, you know, and I'm, and I'm a data geek, I guess I'm a math major from Ohio State. I have an electrical engineering in engineering degree from Louisiana Tech. Tom Haviland: I, I've, I worked with the whole 36 years I was in the Air Force and worked as a defense contractor with the Air Force. I. Data. That's, that was my job on a daily basis, you know, as an engineer. So I'm data driven and, uh, it was a fun project for me, but, uh, but unfortunately it's given me an alarming answer, which I think definitely needs to, uh, to be further Dr. Sam Sigoloff: researched. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what I want everyone who listens to this to think, how can you know if you're interested in this fight? You're like, well, I'm, I'm not a doctor, I'm just an engineer. Well, this is what you can. This is how you can help in this fight. And again, this is, this is not a physical fight. This is not vigilante justice. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is, these are numbers fights, these are fights for the human mind, for, for the kingdom of God. That's what these are. And I, we haven't talked about this. I don't know if you're, um, a believer. Um, most people that [00:51:00] I've run into, um, have a spiritual faith of some sort, and most have been Christian and the other maj, you know, smaller majority have been Jewish. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I haven't run into other faiths. Um, But this is a battle in the unseen realm. This is a battle for your mind, for your heart, for your soul. And, and what we need to do is have everyone understand that and stand up for God's kingdom and, and gain that ground. And this is not a physical fight. This is a fight over the hearts and the minds to, to win people over. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And for those that have had the shot already, there's forgiveness at the foot of the. There is, or whatever religion you are. Every religion that I know of has a way of redemption and forgiveness. But in Christianity, which I am and I, I advocate for, I, there's redemption of the foot, the cross. All you have to do is, is ask for forgiveness and believe in Jesus. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that doesn't mean you won't go through hardships. That doesn't mean you won't have the consequences of your earthly decisions. [00:52:00] doesn't mean that you have to live with that same decision for the rest of your life with, with that, that burden on your heart. Tom Haviland: I agree with you completely. Uh, you know, the, um, vast American public, like I said, 80% of the people got the first two shots and most of them did it out of the goodness of their heart because they wanted to protect themselves and, uh, not get others infected. Tom Haviland: They, cuz they were being told if you got the shots, you couldn't transmit it. You know, we couldn't catch it or transmit it to others, so I'm not gonna fault anybody who got the shots because I, I think the vast majority of people did it out of the goodness of their hearts. It's unfortunate they were lied to that, that, that those that were uh, administering the shots knew that they would not stop you from catching covid or transmitting it before they even rolled the vaccines out. Tom Haviland: And that's unfortunate that to, that they duped the American public. I'm also, it's, it's a little disappointing that people so quickly abandoned their God-given immune. To, you know, to, to automatically have faith in the authority of these, of these [00:53:00] manmade shots. So I totally agree with you that, uh, there's a spiritual component to this as well, and that we, maybe this is a good wake up call for people, right? Tom Haviland: That now they. Trust a little bit more in what God has provided for you. You've got a great natural immune system. Don't damage it by getting these shots. If you've already gotten these shots, don't get any more. And even if you haven't had any problem, maybe you got the shot and most people got the shot and haven't had any symptoms, haven't had these adverse side effects, but that doesn't mean you, it can't happen in the future. Tom Haviland: There's a good chance if those people got, are, are feeling fines because they got a dud. You know, the, the, these shots had to be stored at very low temperatures in order to keep the mRNA active. And it's quite possible that, you know, you saw these long summer lines of football stadiums with, you know, cars lining up, people getting their jabs. Tom Haviland: Maybe by the time you got your jab, the mRNA went in. And, and lipid and, and, you know, basically you got some sludge put into your arm that was, that didn't, didn't even do the job it [00:54:00] was supposed to do, but you can count yourself as a lucky one for that because it didn't turn your body into a spike protein factory. Tom Haviland: So, uh, I, I, I totally agree with you, uh, Dr. Sam, you know, pray about it, um, and, and trust a little bit more. Your God-given natural immune system, it's worked for man for centuries and it'll continue to work. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And there's one other thing that you mentioned that I think was very interesting. You said maybe it was a coincidence, maybe it wasn't. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But that, that, that lady that you're working with, um, I think you said she's from northeast Ohio. What's interesting is, and this is from listening to a rabbi, um, he is a podcast that I listen to, used to listen to pretty regularly, and he said that the word and the idea of a co. Is not in Hebrew, meaning that idea and that word does not exist in God's language. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So really that idea and that word shouldn't exist in our vernacular because it's not a coincidence. It was a divine Tom Haviland: appointment. She found me in a sea of about [00:55:00] 800 comments to that sub article by Steve krs. For her, and it was way down on the bowels of the comments. She just happened to be scrolling all the way in, you know, deep into the comments and saw my comment. Tom Haviland: I'm, I'm with you. I don't think it was coincidence. I think it was God's hand work to give me the assistant, the, the tool that I needed to somebody who knew Survey Monkey that were allowing me to, to, to, to make this thing happen, to make this survey happen and go nationwide. So I count my blessings every day and she's a good friend and, uh, we've, we've got a close relationship. Tom Haviland: Because, because of this, and we've, we both fee

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Thank you everybody for joining me. I first wanna thank my Patreon supporters. We've got Shell at the $50 level. We have Sam and Angela Sheey, who are now are giving $20 and 20 cents a month. We have the pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents tier, and we have Perry and Ty. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have the self-made $10 level with Kevin and Katie. We've got the refined not burden for $5 a month. PJ Rebecca Emmy, and then we have the $1 a month. That courage is contagious [00:01:00] level with Amanda's best, nasty d and j. Thank you so much for contributing. We also have these patches. Available on my eBay store. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much. Those all of this is to help me pay for my legal fees. As many of y'all know, I spent over $60,000 and just got a $10,000 grant on top of that, so that's $70,000 I've spent in legal fees. And the reason all that's important, we're gonna get into a little bit with the N D A A here with John Bowes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So John Bowes, he's a. Graduate of the academy, the Air Force Academy, and then went straight into flight school. And during that process, right when he first came out is when the whole mandate came down. So he's, he's a very young leader, but he's. He, he's not timid at all, which I love. I think it's, it's great. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We need to have more young leaders that are not timid, that are ready to, to just go and do the right thing. And that's what we've been doing. And he's been kind of the, the unofficial leader, right? Cuz we're, we're not an organized group. This is this is not some sort of organization that we have. It's just people leading, men leading, women leading and doing the right thing at the right [00:02:00] time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So John, thank you so much for coming on with us and thank you for sharing some of your, being ready to share some of your story with us. John Bowes: Well, hey, thank you so much for having me on. And of course as always these thoughts and a page of my own, I'm not speaking on behalf of the Department of Defense or the US Air Force. I'm simply speaking as a concerned citizen today. But nonetheless, yeah, it's been it's been an interesting experience taking a mantle of leadership in this mandate. John Bowes: But nonetheless, I think we've seen some success now at this point. So I'm eager to talk about that and, and share my story. And I appreciate you having. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Thank you so much. One thing that I've, I've mentioned with these commander's call series that I did is there's two types of leaders, those appointed and those who emerge. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you are definitely one of those emerged leaders, which are true leaders, right? Because other, other humans look up to you. Other men and women look up to you and say, he's someone I wanna follow. He's doing the right thing. He has a vision, and, and that's the best kind of leadership John Bowes: I. John Bowes: [00:03:00] Well, I appreciate that. Those are very kind words. Thank you. But yeah, you know when, when it, when it comes to leadership, especially in, in, in something like this where it's really everyone is on a peer-to-peer level the lines are blurred and there's no organization, like you said, this has certainly has not been a mutiny. John Bowes: It's simply just been people organizing in the grassroots fashion in order to. Stand up for their rights and their beliefs and their constitution as oaths and officers and, and listed members. So with that comes interesting dynamics and challenges that have been exciting and interesting, but also rewarding to see so many Americans come together and do the right thing. John Bowes: And it's, it's hardly taken leadership on my end to get people to do the right thing because that's exactly what we've been doing this whole time. So with that, you know, it's. It's almost fun, as I say sometimes to be able to have that responsibility and, and to work with so many amazing people. John Bowes: And I think it's one of those things that this kind of coalition that's been established across everyone who's spoken up about the mandates is gonna last a long time and it's gonna do a lot of good in things past just vaccines and covid. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So when [00:04:00] the mandate came down, where were you? Like, what, what were you doing? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What were you sitting? Were you still in the school? Were you at the end of the school? He just graduated. Give us all the. John Bowes: Yeah, sure. So I had just graduated a Euro NATO joint jet pilot training. It's basically a NATO pilot training program that is somewhat selective but ends up training specifically for the purpose of making fighter pilots. Unlike some of the other pilot training bases that, that generally focus more on producing pilots, some fighter pilots, some heavy trans. John Bowes: Ports, some tankers, things like that. And so coming outta that program, I was extremely stoked. I was given the chance to fly the F 16 and I began training actually when, when the mandates came down, I was getting ready to fly my first flight in the F 16. I was only about a week out from that. And August 24th is when the mandate came down. John Bowes: I. Started wondering what was gonna happen to me if I had to say no to this vaccine or request a religious accommodation, which of course is what I did. And on September 21st a couple weeks before I flew my first right in the of 16, I was told that you either get the shot. And [00:05:00] keep flying or you request a religious accommodation or medical exemption and we're gonna ground you. John Bowes: And that's exactly what happened was as soon as I said, okay, well, I'm requesting religious accommodation, they said, all right, well you're outta the program. You're grounded. And hang tight, I guess. This is basically the answer that I got. Now, I certainly don't want to disparage anyone on my chain of command. John Bowes: My commander, especially was, was very supportive in, in helpful in this process. And he was about as disgruntled as I was potentially that maybe this wasn't the right call to make when it comes to Just common sense in national security. But I won't speak from him on that issue. I certainly was, but nonetheless, that's kind of where I said oh, the DOD made a mistake. John Bowes: They gave a board lieutenant with nothing but time on his hands. And so that's kind of where I started taking a leadership role in this fight was, was organizing people and kind of working the network that I already. In order to kind of put together something that resulted in what we have today, which is, which is quite the incredible network of, of people and service members. John Bowes: And I won't take all the credit for that. It's certainly not what I'm trying to say, but at the very least you know, a network is what I created with a couple thousand [00:06:00] people. And, and we started to grow and connect with each other like we're doing right now. And the rest is history. We've since of course, gotten this through the N D A A and we've got our first big step towards victory. John Bowes: Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That, that's amazing. I'm just, I'm really impressed being so, you know, fresh outta school and being so young and having such a seemingly great thing ahead of you. Right? Like, I'm, I'm a doctor, I don't know anything about flying, but it seems like the F 16 seems like that's, that's arriving. But what do I know? John Bowes: Well, yeah, it was my life dream. Both my parents were pilots. My dad was a fighter pilot. My mom was an instructor pilot. So I literally grew up in the Air Force watching jets take off every single day. I was obsessed with it for as long as I can remember, and I put all of my eggs in the fighter pilot basket from a very young age. John Bowes: In fact, I remember in middle school I was already like, I'm gonna be a fighter pilot, and you know what? This science fair experiment that I'm doing right. Going to matter for that. And so there was a, there was definitely a habit of excellence that I built and, and good [00:07:00] habits that I created for myself that ultimately led me to where I am. John Bowes: And I did not have a backup plan at all. And so it did come to a shock to me absolutely. When I, and I got grounded and thought maybe, you know, there's a chance I'm gonna get kicked outta the Air Force. And I, I don't really know what I'm gonna do with myself after. And thankfully now there's you know, a lot of options in the future and we're probably not gonna get kicked out, which is wonderful. John Bowes: And I can go back to putting all my eggs in the fighter pilot basket again. But nonetheless, I think from here on out, there's gonna be a big focus on, on doing good and, and, and, and making sure that leadership is, is held accountable for things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what, what help give you this drive through this whole thing? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is there, is there something that's, that's motivating you? Do you have a religious background? Do you have. just a strong idea of what's right and wrong, or, you know, what, what's, what's the motivation behind? John Bowes: Yeah. So, you know I call I call on a real personal level. I call this this, this mandate that's come down this year and a half or so that I've been out of the jet, like my time in the desert because for, [00:08:00] for a while, for a long time before about. Summer of 2021. I wasn't extremely religious person. John Bowes: Nor was I spiritual. I wasn't, I did not have a relationship with God or anything else of the sort. And, and over the summer, right before the mandates came down, I kind of had to come to Jesus moment, if you will. Where I realized I needed to get serious and strong about my faith. And there was a whole number of different Coincidences, if you will. John Bowes: I'll call it the Holy Spirit. That happened in order to kind of get me going back to church again, getting serious about my faith. And I fell back in love with my faith pretty much right before the mandates came down. And, and you know, the mandates and, and the, the thread of the mandates were certainly a factor in me. John Bowes: Getting serious about my faith again, but it was almost independent of that to some degree. I think it was just looking at the world and what's happening today and the kind of the degeneracy and, and unfortunate circumstances that we face every single day when it comes to morality in this world. And I got serious about my faith again. John Bowes: And so when that happened is pretty much right when the mandate came down and that was something that was an absolute blessing to receive right before that because it's the [00:09:00] only thing I could really lean. The time, which was that, you know, my faith in God is exactly what gives me the hope for the future. John Bowes: And what lets me know that everything's gonna be okay. And even if it's not okay, I know that the reward will be some other place in some other life. And so with that that's really what I leaned on and that's really what, what. what gave me the strength to press on. And, and outside of that just principle, you know, I'm a hardheaded, stubborn guy. John Bowes: I think a lot of fighter pilots are, so it's kind of in our blood. And so regardless of that too, you know, just the simple fact that it was the principle, the matter, it was the right thing to do was enough to to want to fight this and, and God got me through the rest of it. So that's really what happened. John Bowes: And what, what. Forced me to kind of start that. We could get into the talk about, you know, fetal cells in the vaccine. I think that that topic's probably been beaten to death at this point. But nonetheless, that was my primary reason for my religious accommodation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, that's wonderful that that was kind of a, I had no idea what the answer was gonna be, but I was pleasantly surprised and was hoping that, was it, that it was a religious belief that pushed you through this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz it seems to be that is what has helped most service members get through this. And [00:10:00] right now I'm holding up a constitution and a declaration and this document is based on religious principles, you know, Judeo-Christian religious principles. It's the only thing that gets us through. I mean, just how you said it was like my going out into the desert. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: just like the Jews when they left, when they left enslavement, they went out into the desert and that was their fault that they were there for 40 years. They should not have been there for thir. That was not the plan. But when you don't listen and you don't follow God things get worse. And when you do follow God, life is better. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that doesn't mean that you're physically better. You know, like that means that you have a peace and understanding that passes anything in the world. And so that allows you to get through it and to live through it. And you know that there will be justice one day. . Let's talk a little bit about that N D A A that you had mentioned. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what is that and what's the news on that? And just, this may be airing, you know, maybe a couple weeks after we've actually recorded but, but as of yesterday, there was a news report, I think it was on the Washington Times that I read that said that the [00:11:00] president was going to sign the N D A A. Now, what are some of the implications? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What does that mean to. John Bowes: Yeah. So for those that don't know, the, the National Defense Authorization Act, N D A A is basically just a an annual spending bill and military centric bill that's passed by Congress for the most simplistic of terms. And really what happened with that is that pretty much out of the blue, it came totally unexpectedly a, a few weeks ago, and today is the 20th of December. John Bowes: A few weeks before that that Congress just decided that this is the thing they wanted to talk about. And, and it was super shocking to me, and I think a lot of other people because for a long time we had gotten responses from a few small coalition of, of, of members of Congress that they were supporting us and they would tweet about us and things like that. John Bowes: But that was about as far as it went. And then just out of left field Senator Blackburn, Senator Paul Senator Cruz McCarthy, and the house side. And a bunch of others just, just started swinging for us. And that's great. I'm not complaining even a little bit about that. But [00:12:00] it certainly seemed to be that maybe McCarthy was hedging his speaker hood on. John Bowes: Whatever sort of politics were at play and there's always politics at play. It worked out in our favor to some degree, right? So what, what ended up being passed in the N D A A was basically just a very short statement. I wish I had it on me. I don't have an on me. I would read it verbatim, but in essence what that says is that the 24th August memo, Instituted the mandate from Secretary Lloyd Austin would be rescinded 30 days after the passage of this bill. John Bowes: So really all that means is that the piece of paper that says you have to get the vaccine is gone now. Now, I don't know if anyone else can extrapolate or has already extrapolated the consequences of that downstream, but here's really the worst case scenario and I'll kind of talk about the best case scenario as well. John Bowes: The worst case scenario is that the d o D says, copy y'all, mandates over. , but since there's still an acknowledgement that this isn't a law, this is a lawful order, there's nothing in law that says that this order [00:13:00] was unlawful, we're still going to punish those that refuse the vaccine when it was a valid mandate because the N D A never says that this was never a valid mandated, simply only says, rescind the memo, which acknowledges the validity of the memo to some. John Bowes: And so hopefully I'm not losing anyone here when I say that. The Department of Defense could potentially continue to discharge people, continue to punish people, keep their records marred by misconduct. And basically just put us in a bad situation where we'll suffer through the rest of our careers. John Bowes: And if we're not kicked out, you know, we'll be punished for the rest of our careers until, until we leave. . That's the worst case scenario. Now let's talk a bit about the intent of the N D A A, which has been made clear by pretty much everyone in Congress, who's, who's fought for us via this legislation. John Bowes: And the intent is, of course, to end the mandate. And their biggest thing, and they really love this term, is national security. That's why I've said it so many times in front of a camera. I'm blue in the face from it already of saying national security in front of a camera. But it's the thing [00:14:00] that they want to talk about. John Bowes: And I think it's an impor, a very. Factor too. Of course. Ultimately, I think just doing the right thing is really the crux of the reason why we're dying on this hill. But nonetheless, national security is probably the biggest consequence outside of anything moral that we can have from this mandate. And so with national security, their plan is of course to say, okay, well let's end this mandate so we can start fixing our recruiting and retention issues, which are aby. John Bowes: And I can get into the stats or not. They're not good if you read my word for it, and I've talked about it in other interviews before. But that's really the crux of the issue. And so if, if, if the intent of this bill was to fix national security, continuing to discharge the tens of thousands of service members who or fighting the mandates is, is, is counterproductive to the intent. John Bowes: And so that's what the worst case scenario is. The best case scenario. I, I've heard some rumors that there's some backdoor talks about potentially just stopping all punitive action. The DOD is gonna interpret the bill the way it was intended without having to play any sort of legal trickery with the law and the way it's written. John Bowes: And things are just gonna go [00:15:00] mostly back to normal. But I'll tell you right now, that's still not enough. No, that's not. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not enough at all. Not even kind of closely enough. And, and the reason is if you, and I've said this a few other places, but it's kinda like going to the judge and saying, your Honor, the defendant burnt my house down. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then the judge says, well, plaintiff, you don't have a house. How could it be burned down? Right, your Honor, it's cuz he burnt it down. And so a problem with a lot of these is these. A lot of these cases are gonna be considered moot, which means in legal terms, you don't have a case. Like you don't have a case. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cause you don't have a house. So how could it burned down? Well, they already burned it down, so how can I, you know, it's this kind of catch 22 and there have been crimes committed against humanity in that humanity happens to be the military population. And none of, if this just disappears and we never find out that we never have it go to court. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To have this proven that there is crimes committed, then there's no precedence that's ever set. Like the, [00:16:00] the precedence that was set with was it the, the Dovers Rumsfeld case with Dale Soran and that whole case. The only reason that this is illegal now, it's unlawful to make people do something, but it's illegal now because of the precedence that was set in the Do First Rumsfeld case, which. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, okay. We're not gonna have a mandate right now, but in six months in a year, when everyone forgets about this, which most people never even knew about this, most civilian population had no idea what was going on in the military, they're gonna reinstate it, but maybe it'll be for the flu shot that now has the lip nanoparticle in it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and, and lemme be clear, I'm not saying that the, sorry, sorry, one second. Let me make clarity. I'm not saying that the flu shot does have the lipid nanoparticle in it, but it's a likely a manner of a matter of time for that flu shot and every shot to start having those lipid nanoparticles in it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because go, go back and listen to my Bio warfare part one series, episode number 33. I truly believe it is the lipid nanoparticle that is the bio.[00:17:00] John Bowes: Yeah. You know, there's, there's a whole, there's a whole plethora of different factors that can go into that, you know, that worst case scenario, like I talked about with, with the admittedly weak language of the N D A A, excuse me, but. Nonetheless, you know, in talking about what, what's the actual solution? I really don't like talking about problems without providing solutions. John Bowes: It's just the nature of the officer in me. And, and so when, when you're, when you're talking about that, How do we fix national security? How do we actually come to what we do in emergency procedures in the flying community, which is come to a safe and logical conclusion? That's why the way I like to frame it what is, what is the ultimate thing that wraps all of the loose ends up and puts it into a nice little bag with a bow on it that says, The anti-vaxxers won if you will. John Bowes: And with that would would come basically legislation that one reinstates service members with Back Pay Congress. I hope you're listening cuz this I think is very important. Reinstate [00:18:00] service members with back pay, those that were discharged. two Expunges the records the misconduct records of all service members for anything COVID related. John Bowes: I think that includes masking and testing. Clear the records, make things right. Three would be allow service members who missed out on opportunities in their career to now have those opportunities. Again, those who missed TDWise, those who miss schooling, those who missed PCSs and moves to new locations. John Bowes: That should be made whole again. And I think most importantly probably is an acknowledgement in law by Congress that this is not gonna happen again cuz it's already happened twice Now with anthrax it's already happened twice. It does not need to happen again. And I think that looks at. Medical freedom, I think they're probably, in a perfect world, should be a medical freedom bill that essentially states that you're not gonna mandate anything anymore if people don't want a medical treatment, they don't have to get it, end, stop period. John Bowes: And I, I don't e I'm not even interested in compromises on that. I think that's really the most important one is to make sure that in the annals of [00:19:00] history, if we win, if we're, if the Richter's write history, like this is what we need to write which is this is not gonna happen. Period. I think the bills that already exist 10 US code 1107 a needs to be modified and made, made more clear to say that, you know, these medical products, emergency use, authorized or not, are not to be mandated anymore. John Bowes: And I think maybe there's a big distinction there that's important is that even if it's FDA licensed, it probably shouldn't be, man. It shouldn't be mandated. So that's kind of the perfect story. That's, that's the fairy tale that I think we're all hanging our hats on. Do I think it's likely that we'll get all of that. John Bowes: Probably not. Realistically, I don't think it's likely. But nonetheless, I think if we're talking about prioritization and what we should be talking about and, and what Congress should be passing, especially come January with a new, with a new Congress that admittedly I'm not being political here as a service member, just simply saying there's more people that support us that are gonna be in Congress come January. John Bowes: And those, those legislators as constituents we need to appeal to in order to. make some of those things happen. And so I think that's the next focus moving forward as service [00:20:00] members who are speaking up about this. Cause our work isn't done. It is, is targeting those things. Yeah. You made some good John Bowes: points. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think one thing that we need to go back and remember is if we look at Nuremberg, so this is post World War ii. And we, we as a world we met together in this city in Germany called Nuremberg. For anyone who doesn't know, I think most of us do know, but we'll do a quick recap and we said, what, what the Nazis did to the people in these concentration camps, the Jews and the, the homosexuals and the, the gypsies and all the people that were the undesirables. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What they did was so egregious that yeah, there was no law against. But it's written in the code of our heart that what they did was wrong. Like everyone, everyone knows that this is bad. And we came together as a world, and the United States kind of led this charge that we, we took them to trial and we actually hung doctors and hung nurses. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm not saying I wanna make it very clear, I'm not advocating for vigilante justice, but we were the, the moral leaders at the time, and now we're the, [00:21:00] we're. I wouldn't say we're leading that charge because what's going on in Australia is horrific. I've spoken to some people down there and it's absolutely horrific, but, but we're not far behind them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, they're, they're locking people up and they're, they're actually, from what I understand is they've forced, some people have been forced, held down and forced different than coerced. But we're not far behind them. And, and you mentioned 10 USC 1107. It already says in there that we can't have mandated or coerced use of ewe products. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So it's kinda like the situation, where was it? Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson. He was taking the, the natives off of the, the reservations and the Supreme Court said, no, you can't do that. And he said, okay, well then. , we're, we're kind of in that position right now. Like the law is on our side, but no one's reading it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How do we get people to understand the words that they meet, they read are, they're actually doing the opposite of what that says. They're, they're disobeying those words already. So how do we, I [00:22:00] don't know if you have a solution for that, and that's, if you don't, that's okay cuz that that's, that is the crux of the issue that we're all. John Bowes: Yeah, that, that's a, that's a complicated question. Especially, you know, as service members, as, as officers in the military in the chain of command that sort of advocacy becomes very delicate and careful work. and I've, I've certainly done my best to try and do that and, and make it clear that, you know, I'm not disparaging my chain of command. John Bowes: I'm not giving an opinion on my chain of command. Chain of command, excuse me. Nor am I giving an opinion, good or bad, right or wrong on Congress. I'm simply just talking about the issues as they, as they are and being extremely objective about it. . But nonetheless you know, with with that comes a responsibility that we all have for doing the right thing and standing up for the Constitution and our oaths officers to support and defend the Constitution. John Bowes: . And with that, if there, if there is a threat to constitutional rights in the form of you know, a federal agency that's not following the law the [00:23:00] law, which is, you know, appointed by members who have been appointed by the Constitution, right? That, that's, that's part of our oath. And so how, how you. John Bowes: You enforce law that's valid and, and real and, and passed by Congress and, and, and signed by the president of the United States and law that has been passed in the, in the past, like 1107 A. . You know, I think we, we've done our duty and I think continuing to do exactly what we're doing right now is, is really the only way to do it. John Bowes: And that is to make the American people, the people who ultimately hold the power in this country, aware of what's happening, and do it in a respectful and professional way that's not personal. . And I think we've done a stellar job of that so far, and I think we'll continue to do a stellar job of that. John Bowes: But that's really the road forward from here on out is simply just making the constituency aware of the problems. Because to a large degree, it's, it's almost impossible to find this kind of information. I mean to look up some of this stuff, it, it takes, takes a knowledge of where to look, how to look and what to look for even on social media and other platforms like Twitter, which is now being, [00:24:00] you know, a little bit deregulated by Elon Musk. John Bowes: it's still hard to find us. And I certainly struggle to, to gain attention on the issue and I have for the last year. So all that to say is really continuing to do what we are doing right now, which is, which is effective grassroots strategies for raising awareness about issues is probably the only solution that we have in our hands right now. John Bowes: Because you know, we have to follow the law too, and, and following the law for us and following the constitution for us is adhering to the chain of command, which puts us in an interesting position. But it, it is the right position to be in. And this is really how American democracy works and this is how the American Republic, I should say, more importantly cuz that's what we are as a republic works. John Bowes: And that's all I'll continue to adhere and let's all continue to find, yeah, and Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just wrote a note here, political cuz I, I wanna congratulate you on this. You've been very careful and, and speak precisely in this, this manner because, . I didn't realize, at least at one point, I was talking to a colonel and there was a major in the room also, and I said, Hey, do you wanna hear about this? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the major said, Hey, I don't want to get political . We're talking about bioweapons [00:25:00] and shots and developed in China. There's nothing political about that. It's all national defense. Like directly related to national defense. We have a product that's been in part developed in China and we're injecting it into service members. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's nothing political about that, at least there shouldn't be, but for, for whatever reason, it seems to be political. Like, like you had mentioned, you know, devoid of politics. The, the, the people who support the truth and, and the laws. It's written there. There will be more of those type of people in Congress soon, but, other people may hear is, oh, there's this political party's taken over. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But that's not what we said. We don't care what political party you are, you could be purple and you know, and we're a spaghetti strainer on your head. I don't care if you're for the truth and you're for doing what's right, that's what matters. John Bowes: Well, there's a key distinction. I, I think it's totally acceptable for officers to be political. It's unacceptable for officers to be [00:26:00] partisans, and we have never been partisans at all in this entire mandate. I'm only speaking to people who. Want to support us, why would I speak to people who don't wanna support us? John Bowes: Sure. We'll try to convince 'em maybe. But it has nothing to do with their political orientation. It has to do with the fact that they're advocating for their constituents. And that's not partisan, that's political. In the same way that it's, it's, you know, Participating in the political process is responsibility of every citizen in the United States including military members. John Bowes: And we certainly don't lose the right to do that. We just have to be careful with how we represent the uniform in that process. And so you know, that that's the big key distinction there. And I think it, it's unfortunate that so many members of the military are afraid. to speak up about issues that are totally pertinent to them and that they're totally allowed to talk to out of fear of being political. John Bowes: And really they should just be fearful of being partisan. And it's unfortunate that to a large degree, you know, partisan politics have become prescient in the military. And just in a way that's how would I say this, more left [00:27:00] wing. Certainly. And, and so, you know, there, there are certainly a lot of left wing ideologies that are, that are becoming acceptable in the military and, and the partisan politics are being played in that manner. John Bowes: That, that promotes those kind of ideologies. And that's where I think we set a dangerous precedent in the military. And we have, as military members have a responsibility to speak up about it. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think you're talking a little bit about what, like Matthew Lomeyer kind of blew the whistle on and, you know, go back and listen to his, the episode I did with him, it's not a video, it's just an audio and go check out his podcast also. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But he was in the Air Force and then space force and politics and being political and partisan became a really big part of, of his life in the military when they were pushing ideas that that didn't need to be pushed. John Bowes: Absolutely. And it's not partisan to, to, to speak up about things like Marxism, in my opinion. Because that's, that's not, that's not, that's antithetical to our system of [00:28:00] governance and so to speak up about a, a political system that is antithetical to the constitution of United's. States, it's not partisan politics. John Bowes: That's, that's following your oath. And that's exactly what Matt did. Matt's a great friend of mine. I have a huge amount of admiration and respect for him. And certainly go check 'em out. Yeah, I think that's, that's a great point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not even politics, it's just, Hey, are you Aiden abetting ideas that are contrary to and direct opposition and lead to more human destruction than than what we've sworn to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that's a great point. . John Bowes: You know, I think basically, you know, my, my last thing that I'd really like to, to put out there to, to all the viewers is, is moving forward, what's effective and what's not effective. And, and to kind of speak to, you know, I know a lot of service members certainly Watch this podcast. John Bowes: And so I'd like to speak directly to them first and then talk to the rest of the viewers. So, so really, you know, my message to service members and I, you know, I see a lot of people who are extremely upset and down about the fact that the way the N D A A was passed was, was not perfect or ideal for the [00:29:00] in-state of our goals. John Bowes: I'd like to say personally, , please celebrate this win. Biden has agreed. President Biden has agreed to sign. effectively and into the mandate. And whe whe whether, whether it's it's strong or not in its language it is a humongous pr win for us because what that does is it essentially validates everything we fought for, for the last year and a half. John Bowes: That is worth celebrating. Is it worth treating it like an ultimate victory? Absolutely not. We have plenty more work to do. We have plenty more advocacy to do. We have plenty more people who have been harmed, who haven't been made. . And so I'm certainly not advocating for that, but I am advocating for when President Biden signs this thing, you know, have a drink and enjoy yourself and, and, and celebrate this because it is a big win and it is worth celebrating. John Bowes: It's worth praising God for and it's worth being happy about. And we'll get to the rest. The rest of that is, is, is coming and we're not stopping. And to simply be upset about it is, is to some degree stopping. And so, you know, that's my message to service members especially is, is this is a win. John Bowes: This is worth celebrating. And let, let's [00:30:00] continue to be positive and happy about this. And I'm not saying everyone is being dooooo. Let me make that absolutely clear. I know plenty of people share my philosophy but for those that don't, you know, I encourage you have hope and, and, and, and be strong in this because we've got more work to do. John Bowes: But we. Gained a major victory and to, to those that, that are outside the military and to some degree military members themselves as well. You know, moving forward, what's effective? I think what's effective is going to be targeting the members of Congress. Who have shown us support and pledged to some degree to make sure that we see an end to this. John Bowes: Because, you know, I've spoken to a number of members of the Senate and, and, and the Congress in the house and they've all said the same thing, which is that, you know, we want reinstatement with back pay. We want a full resolution to this issue. We want to actually make sure that we fixed national security. John Bowes: Make it clear to your members of Congress that this is not going to do. For fixing national security. This is not gonna fix recruiting and retention. People are still disgruntled, and rightfully so, people are still thinking, you know, maybe it's time to leave the military. This is not an organization for me anymore. John Bowes: And simply [00:31:00] rescinding the mandate and getting rid of a requirement for a vaccine as serious as an issue that might be is not going to be enough to make people feeling comfortable to join the military or make people comfortable to stay in the military. So I encourage you to make that clear. to members of Congress because unfortunately, Congress is not as interested as they should be in understanding that this is not a lawful mandate or that this is, , you know, like, like you've made the argument for a bio weapon or anything else like that. John Bowes: They're really mostly interested in national security. And so you know, you may disagree with my philosophy on that, but my 2 cents is that make it clear to Congress that this is a national security issue that has not been solved. And they'll listen to that because that's what they've listened to me on many times before. John Bowes: National security is a super important talking point for our Congress. And I think catering to that, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's effective. Moving forward. Really my message is that now I'm gonna continue, this is my pledge. I'm gonna continue to advocate no matter what, for those service members who are still not made whole by this mandate. John Bowes: And I'm not gonna stop until it happens. And that's, I think what the [00:32:00] philosophy everyone should be ho I hope shares so that we can continue to get a real logical conclusion to this. And I hope everyone stays engaged in the fight. And I pray that's the case. And so for all viewers please keep fighting, keep holding the line. John Bowes: Basically gain victories this entire time. Lawsuits, injunctions, everything else. We really haven't taken any major losses. This is just another win on the belt, and we're gonna keep gathering wins. So maintain hope, maintain your faith, maintain your oath to the Constitution and continue fighting, and I think we'll win. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I love that philosophy. I think that's the perfect balance, right? Because this is, it's a huge win. It, it's not the big win we'd like, but do celebrate, do enjoy it. Do you know, celebrate with the family. , but the next day, or if it, you know, you do it for a week, that's fine too if you celebrate for a week. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But, but the next day when you're done celebrating, get back up, wake up, you know, put your armor of God back on. Get ready to get back in this, this stand for truth, for justice, for, for what's right, because I'm, I'm [00:33:00] sure you have friends, but I know a man who's 26 years old was a PT stud, which for the non-military people, that means he did really good at, at working out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He was really fit. He was good at being a. Now he can't walk across the parking lot without getting winded. And it's heartbreaking. It's people like him that, that I'm in this, it's people like Dr. P Chambers, who, he's talked about this quite a bit in public, where he's been injured by this. Those people need to be restored because they were coerced to take something they never wanted to take. John Bowes: you're absolutely right. And, you know, vaccine injuries are a whole separate issue that I didn't even mention. That we need to certainly make efforts to make those people whole as well, because they were tricked. They were tricked into taking something that's dangerous and experimental, and those people deserve serious help. John Bowes: And, and they, they des it's impossible to make the poll again. Some of these people will never be whole again. Especially the ones that have passed away. Heart attacks, strokes, you know, I know one service member. Too hard. She's 22 years old in the best shape of her life before taking the vaccine. And at 22 [00:34:00] years old, this girl has had two heart attacks and now a mini stroke. John Bowes: She's on all kinds of medications, beta blockers, haltz, or monitors the whole gamut of things. Her life has been ruined by the shot. How do you even fix that? How do you make someone like that whole, you know, thankfully we're getting her treatment from Dr. Molly James and, and others. And they've been very generous with her, but nonetheless, You can't fix that. John Bowes: You can't. And, and all we can do is our best to make that better. And, and so, you know, I think that that's another area we need to target as military members. But maybe that deserves its own whole separate podcast. But nonetheless, I'm, you know, I'm not maybe the one not qualified enough to talk about that, though we've handled vaccine injuries extensively in this fight and appealing to Congress, and unfortunately, they're, they're not as interested as they should be. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing that I think that does help those people, maybe it certainly does not make them whole, but it brings them some justice to hold those people accountable. Like the doctors in particular. I think it's very important that these doctors who said, oh, don't worry. It's safe and effective. Okay, [00:35:00] what does that mean? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where did you get that? That nomenclature. Okay. Oh, you can take it in pregnancy. Where did you hear that? Because, The studies specifically excluded pregnant or breastfeeding women. In fact, they even told the men, don't get a woman pregnant for 60 days after your last shot. So where did you come up with this? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where did you make up this lie? Those, those doctors need to be held accountable. We need to have past laws so that this never happens again. Again, that won't make any of these injured and dead people, dead service members, and dead civilians and dead children. It won't help. , but it'll at least put up barriers and walls to keep this from ever happening again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well John, thank you so much. It's been a true pleasure to talk with you. I know it's been a long time coming. I've been hoping to get you on and just everything aligned today and and I, at the beginning of this, I think you may have been a little hesitant. At least that was my impression to, to talk with me cuz who's this, who's this Jack wagon Who wants to talk with with me? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz I know you, you were making big connections. , [00:36:00] but cuz at the beginning I was very nervous to talk to new people also. But now, as the mask have completely come off, we've seen who, who are the real patriots, who are the, the men and women standing up for truth, honor, and justice. And you are certainly one of those. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And hopefully I've, I've shown that I'm one of those with you and I'm very happy and proud to be standing shoulder to shoulder with you. John Bowes: Well, thank you. I really appreciate that and I certainly was not hesitant to speak with you at all. Quite contrary. I I was excited about it cuz you've been one of the people that's been around from the beginning. John Bowes: I remember your name popping up very early and all of this as an advocate. So you know, I certainly applaud you in the same way as being a patriot and a true officer standing for their oath. And you know, you've been a, you've been a major player in, in educating all of us. , you know, the medical side of how this works and, and what we should be concerned about and where we should target our efforts. John Bowes: And that's been an invaluable resource. So to those viewers that don't know he's certainly been working with us for a long time and he's a name that pretty much everyone in our community recognizes. So props to you as well, [00:37:00] and, and thanks for having me on. It's been awesome and I've really enjoyed our convers. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well thank you and sorry for projecting those feelings on you, cuz those were certainly feelings that I had when, like, mark, mark Basha first reached out to me. It took me a few moments and I was a little leery, but then, and Mark is a true warrior and, and speaks truth to power and he's, he's a great man and, you know, go back and listen to my episode with him because he's, I was a little nervous the way I got connected with him. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But, but yeah. I've been able to talk to the most incredible, incredible people who are warriors for truth and justice and, and speak the truth and lovers of God throughout this whole thing. And of all of the bad stuff. There's, there's so much good that has come out of this because we get to see who people are. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's kinda like the idea when, you know, when, let's say you're standing out in the sun and you've got your hand out there and you see the shadow. It's really dark in that shadow, but then right next to that line where the shadow ends, it's the. And we've been able to see how God works through people here on Earth.[00:38:00] John Bowes: Amen to that. That's an awesome way to put it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much again. Keep up, keep standing for truth and justice. Keep doing what you're doing. You know, keep listening to Spirit. And, you know, anytime you wanna come back to this platform is yours John Bowes: to speak. Well, thank you very much, Sam, and to the viewers, thank you as well for your time in listening to this. John Bowes: It's an important issue and I look forward to, to continuing to work for everyone here to make this, make this, make this right and make John Bowes: everyone whole again. God bless. God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thanks, John. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the. The full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

Today I talk with Davis Younts, Esq. Davis is a friend of the show and this time we discuss the NDAA and what the new changes mean to you and me. Did we disobey a lawful order OR an unlawful order. We discuss this and more. Next week we will hear from ret MAJ Tom Haviland. He developed a survey that embalmers could answer. He wanted to see how common are the “fibrous clots” that where described in the “Died Suddenly,” movie. His results just may shock you. As always please like, share and subscribe. I now have a Patreon account (see link below). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. If you have a vaccine injury (from any vaccine or have any injury that you think may have any relation to any vaccine) please report in their civilian equivalent to VAERS. 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Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well thank you for joining me again. I wanna first give a shout out to my Patreon supporters. We've got Shell at the $50 level. We've got Sam and Angela Sheey. Thank you so much for your support. And we've got the, the. Tier three, which is the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents a month with Perry and Ty helping there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We've got a self-made level at $10 with Kevin and Katie. The $5, the refined, but not burned tier. Joe, pj, Rebecca, Emmy. We've got the courageous courageous, contagious level at $1 a month. Amanda bets nasty. And Jay, I wanna thank you all so much for. [00:01:00] For, for supporting me, for helping me with these various lawsuits that I'm engaged in. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was just speaking with our guest about how I've already spent 60,000 of my own and 10,000 of Truth for Health grant. And so, and what we're gonna talk about a little bit is the N D A A and how that doesn't seem to have any Recourse for me, but we'll, we'll get into that a little bit more and find out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have the pleasure of introducing Davis Yuns lawyer. We've spoken to him a few times before, but he's been influential in this fight. He's been here since the beginning. He anything that he says is solely, his opinion is not that of the Department of the Air Force the d o d nor the US government. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Great to have you back. Davis Younts, Esq.: Hey, thanks brother. It's great to, . So where do you wanna start? Well, let's talk about the N D A A. Love it. Let's dive in. So, yeah, listen, as you know, it's a, it's a step, right? It's a step in the right direction when we look at the language that's in the current N D A A. But it's important to talk about the idea that ending the mandate, ending the [00:02:00] mandate through the N D A A does very little. Davis Younts, Esq.: A, anyone like us, like you and I, who has already been subjected to adverse career consequences because of the vaccine mandate. So there's, there's a couple different ways to frame it, but I think we can, we can start by talking about kind of the history of the this N D A A, how we got here and what's actually in it. Davis Younts, Esq.: Do we have to go back to last year? What's in the current N D A A? Would've been great if it had been in last year's N D A, the 2022 N D A. So many of us were pushing for that. I was on phone calls with congressional staffers. There were a few congressmen that were willing to push for it, but it never got any traction. Davis Younts, Esq.: Didn't happen last year. The only change that happened in the N D A A last year was a slight downgrade in the level of punishment that they could give individuals who refused the vaccine. So the only thing that happened for the 2022 N D A A was the worst case scenario for discharge characterization for someone who refused the vaccine was a [00:03:00] general discharge. Davis Younts, Esq.: So while that was a small change, it did help because the military was contemplating court marshaling all of us. And that's not an exaggeration. That's what we were all being threatened with and, and we expected it, that change in the N D A made it less attractive for the military to court marshal people because they couldn't get a punitive discharge. Davis Younts, Esq.: So somebody couldn't get a, a bad conduct or a dishonorable discharge from a court marshal because of that tweak to the ndaa. So that's kind of where it. And then we move forward to this year, and what happened is Congress has passed House and the Senate have passed. We're waiting for Biden's signature on an N D A A that will end the mandate. Davis Younts, Esq.: The only language in the NDA, N D A A is, hey, from the date it's signed, the Department of Defense has 30 days to end the mandate. That's it. So, We don't know what that's gonna do moving forward. We don't know what that means as far as policy or what policy's going to look like and it does nothing [00:04:00] retrospective. Davis Younts, Esq.: So whichever one you want to talk about, first off, as far as the past stuff, the retrospective, or what it looks like in the future, let me know. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, well, I mean we've got, we've, I'd like to cover all those if we have time. Like so things that are, In in incoming right now, I guess. So they guess the retrospective, so like me in particular, and there's many, many service members, I'm only using me as an example, and this is not a poor me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I knew exactly what I was stepping into when I walked into this, this ring, but like I've allegedly disobeyed direct orders because they were in order, and so I've disobeyed them. Well, this doesn't remedy that at all, does it? Davis Younts, Esq.: It it doesn't. And that's the issue. So the issue that we have, from a, from the military's perspective, from a DOD policy perspective, and they look at any one of us who was given an order to receive the vaccine and refuse that order, which includes you and I , right? Davis Younts, Esq.: Anyone that did that, they're looking at us, at us as if we [00:05:00] have dis disobeyed an order. According to them, it's a lawful order, and therefore the, whether it's a, a gomar on the army side, a letter of reprimand, whatever it is, whatever punishment occur. , they see that as done and fixed, and, and we could still face separation, face the loss of our career because of that, you know, that punishment that we received. Davis Younts, Esq.: So this N D A A, just ending the mandate does nothing to address any of those orders. It does nothing, nothing to address the illegality of those orders. And it does nothing to restore anyone who's already been punish. So for example, I mean, we have this crazy, crazy situation. You and I have talked about it, where we have an army captain who's meeting an administrative separation board the very week that Congress passes this into the mandate. Davis Younts, Esq.: The only misconduct in over 17 years is an allegation of not following this order, and that's it. And that individual is [00:06:00] now still being process. For separation because that occurred prior to this new N D A A. And regardless. Regardless, because the disobeying, the lawful order occurred before the end to the mandate, the OD could take the policy position that they're still going to punish and administratively separate all of us. Davis Younts, Esq.: And I think that's critical because this, the issue for many of us, what saved many of us is the injunctions in federal court. The federal judges that have said, Marine Corps, Navy Air Force it. It's apparent on its face that you violated federal law. You violated the Constitution and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act as it pertains to religious accommodation review process. Davis Younts, Esq.: And for all of those people, and I'm one of them, that injunctions protected us. But if that injunction goes away, if there's some change in the federal litigation, , guess what? We're not protected anymore. Right? We fall back, we fall back into the process. [00:07:00] We fall back into that because again, that all happened before this change in the N D A So that's a huge problem. And, and there's nothing about this change that does anything to, to restore that. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so I, that kind of brings me to my next, how do we, how do we flip it on its head, right? Because right now it's, they said it's no longer a mandate, but in, in reality, when you look at the facts and you look at the law, There is many people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There are many people that have broken the law. 10 USC 1107 alpha, and the only reason we have that law is because it went so long that they said, okay, all right, you need to stop pushing this anthrax thing. And so now we actually have code that that has been codified and that's redundant, but we have law that says, no, you can't force service members to, to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To take eWAY products? Well, they've already done that, so they already broke the law. And, and for, for guys like you and me like we were in when that law was written, like there's some, some younger, young bucks in who, who weren't in when [00:08:00] that, but, but they're actually violating the law that was written for us. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so how do we, how do we flip that on its head and start the offense? Because making it stop is not good enough if, if it's removed because then we will. The only reason we can say it's illegal now is because it went far enough in the past that we have this law now, and I've been using this example and tell me if this is inappropriate, but it seems like it's appropriate if I go to the judge and say, your Honor, the defendant burned my house down. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the judge says, oh, well you don't have a house, so you, your case is moot, but Your Honor, I don't have a house cuz he burnt it down. But your case is moot because you don't have a house. It seems like that's where we. Davis Younts, Esq.: No, that that's absolutely right and and people might think that's farfetched, but, but listen, Sam, that's exactly what the d o d and the D o D and the D O J did as it pertains to the Marine Corps case in Florida. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's going to trial in January, that case on the violations of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. And, [00:09:00] and the constitutional rights of Marines is scheduled to go to trial in January. As soon as, as soon as it became clear that the N D A was gonna pass, that the DOD and the DOJ filed a motion and they said to the judge in Florida, Hey, the mandate's gonna end anyway. Davis Younts, Esq.: So we don't need, we can delay depositions of our senior leaders and we can delay trial because it doesn't matter, like we think. That sounds absurd. We think your exam example sounds absurd, but, but it's not because that's precisely what they. You know, they're, they're trying to create this appearance, this impression potentially that, Hey, we ended the mandate. Davis Younts, Esq.: What do you want? What else do you want? And just ignore the, just the, the consequences, the devastation that an illegal policy, a poorly executed policy, poorly thought out policy has had on the military, military readiness, 10,000 plus people that have already been discharged, thousands and thousands that we can't even track that have retired or. Davis Younts, Esq.: Early or left at the end of their contract who were planning to stay [00:10:00] because of this policy. So all of that, all of that is already already at issue. So you talk about how we go on the offense. I mean, part of it is what, what we're doing right now, this conversation that we're having right now and saying, Hey, and we've, I've talked about this before. Davis Younts, Esq.: I've talked about this with you. You know, the rest of the, the world, it seems the American public has sort of moved on from the pandemic, right? Covid seems. A bad joke, something everybody wants to forget, and yet we're still dealing with it. We've been dealing with it the whole time in the military, and so now we're on that same path because now we're going to see a situation where, There's this tremendous inequity, and I think that's how we have to talk about it. Davis Younts, Esq.: It's a question of timing now, right? It's a question of timing between those who quote unquote violated an order and those who didn't, and it could be a matter of 24 hours, depending on when an injunction came down or when this mandate comes down. So you're going to see. Just unequal treatment. So I think that's a big part of this. Davis Younts, Esq.: I think making the military understand and see, I think making [00:11:00] judges understand and see that inequity. And I do think when we go to administrative separation boards, If, if we reach a point where we're in a board and we have an officer with a stellar record, all they wanna do is serve. This is the only blemish on their career and there is no mandate anymore. Davis Younts, Esq.: I think it's gonna be harder and harder for military officers to look those individuals in the eye and say, yeah, you know what, we're gonna kick you out. Some will, some will, but I think many are gonna have a hard time with that cuz there still are people, you know, good people in the military. Despite all of this we wish more of them had taken a stand, but they're still out there. Davis Younts, Esq.: And at some point, you know, in this whole process, they've, they've understood, they've, they've seen now, Hey, this is illegal. Now I see it. Now I understand why you're taking this stand. and we have had people convert it, if you will, once they actually look at the law, because as you said, 10 usc Title 21 of the US Code, it's simple. Davis Younts, Esq.: It's very, very simple. It's not hard to read. It's very, very clear what it means. And it was passed to prevent things exactly like what [00:12:00] we're doing, dealing with here. And Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I like the way you stated this. You and I may be misquoting you Exactly. But the idea is it was a poorly rolled out policy. and, and I think what you're getting at is it was written correctly. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The words on the paper were correct. So in a court of law it will look like everything was done properly, but the way it's actually been pushed out, there is no FDA-approved product that's available even to this day. And they've, they've pushed a mislabeled product and that has the word CO on it, which is fraud. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so there's people that have actually committed. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right. And that's what I mean by by poorly executed, right? And, and one of the things that you have to do, and it does open people's eyes, I think, is when you say, look, the, the d o D policy that was put out, and then the orders, you know, in the Army, FRA oh five that was put out, make it clear, hey, you [00:13:00] cannot force someone to take the e uua. Davis Younts, Esq.: It has to be the FDA approved product. But there was no recognition of the reality. as of the 24th of August when this was rolled out and mandated that there would not be an FDA approved product available. And as far as you and I know as far as any experts I've talked to, to know, no, there still is no FDA approved product, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: So whatever the cause for that is, right, whatever, whatever happened to to cause that, and we could speculate on that. But the reality is there was no FDA approved product available. Was it as simple as the Pfizer and Moderna didn't wanna. Because it wasn't financially lucrative because they have all of this stockpile of e U A products. Davis Younts, Esq.: I don't know the answers to those things. I don't speculate on those things. Was the DOD just caught off guard by the fact that there was no FDA product. I, I don't know that those explanations are there, but the reality is, hey, the orders, the policy was written correctly. But it couldn't be executed, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: It couldn't be carried out, and that's been the impossibility issue [00:14:00] has been an issue that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and what blows my mind is like exactly what you said. The policy was written correctly. And if you read through the policy and you read it carefully and you understand what words mean and that words have meaning and you see that you can take the FDA approved or which means new, new statement, or you can take the authorized for use and then you walk over, like I did, I walked over to where they had the vial sitting there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I asked if I could take a picture. I took a picture and they all say, e u a for emergency use only. Boom. , but yet all of this happened. I have those pictures, I have 'em timestamped everything. So, and, and then what's even more striking is a year later, almost to the day, they gave me another order to take this co-parenting labeled product, which I claim is fraud. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I claim that because of the phone call that happened with a, a Pfizer representative who said it was made in France and there is no FDA-approved manufacturing site in France at that time. And yet, even if we took it on face value and thought that that really was co and not co labeled, [00:15:00] that would be proof or should be proof that my previous order was an unlawful and illegal order, but yet nobody cares. Davis Younts, Esq.: Well, that, that's right. And I've seen that same issue because you don't e you don't see an any, any documentation filed anywhere. You don't see the D o D even claiming that they have access to a comity labeled product until, of 2022, you don't even see them even claim that until May of 2022. The other thing that's interesting, and this is kind of inside baseball for everybody, but there was one point where the d o D thought about taking the official position position that the E U A and F D A approved. Davis Younts, Esq.: Products were interchangeable and therefore they could just force people to take the e u a product, right? Remember this, there's a memo. It still exists. That memo existed in time. And, and the challenge with that memo is, you know, it was written by an acting deputy under secretary, number one. Number two is a PhD, not an attorney. Davis Younts, Esq.: And if [00:16:00] anything, what she was talking about, what Dr. Aron was talking about was medically interchangeable versus legally interchangeable because at the same time the FDA was saying these products are legally distinct. So the analogy I use for that, it's like the difference between a wooden baseball bat and an aluminum baseball bat and major league baseball, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: You can try and hit a baseball with an aluminum bat or a wooden bat, but you're not, not allowed to use an aluminum bat in a major league baseball game, and you can't have, you know, Deputy manager for the Yankees or the American League say, well, we think that they're interchangeable because we use 'em for the same purpose to hit a baseball so that that counts. Davis Younts, Esq.: We can get around your rule. So again, I just, I think it's, it's, it's important to note those two things. Like you said, they're not going back and saying to the people that they ordered to take this in in November. 2021 and say saying, Hey, sorry about that. That order we gave you was an unlawful order because we didn't have the FDA approved product until May. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right now, [00:17:00] again, we think it's a bait and switch, but all the evidence shows it's a bait and switch. But, but at best, they would have to go back and reissue all of those orders and recognize that the initial orders that were given were not lawful orders or impossible to carry out. There's, there's been none of that. Davis Younts, Esq.: There's been none of that. And so, you know, again, I think the other piece though, we have to look, we can learn from history and we can look forward and I think the impact that has me very, very concerned for a lot of my clients is in this interim time where we've been waiting, particularly those clients that filed a religious accommodation and they're waiting for the case to go to trial, air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: All of those folks, they've been waiting, they have been subjected. in large part, some pretty heinous things, and it goes back to the kind of treatment and coercion they received before there was even a mandate. People forget this. We have a short memory, but I pray they don't. My experience based on my clients, the Navy was [00:18:00] the absolute worst. Davis Younts, Esq.: The Marines did some crazy things to try to force this vaccine, but the Navy was the worst. And I say the Navy was worse because if you didn't get before the mandate even came out, if you didn't get the vaccine. , you were prohibited from going to church in many commands for a long period of time. You were, you were prohibited from going on leave. Davis Younts, Esq.: You were permitted from going on t d y, you were permitted from doing training. You couldn't spend the holiday with your, with your family. And, and we had situations where if you were assigned to a ship and your ship was deploying, if you were unvaccinated, you had to go report 14 days early, quarantine, 14 days early before anybody else on the. Davis Younts, Esq.: And when you got back from that 6, 7, 8, 9 month deployment, that cruise, you had to quarantine again for 14 days. So all of that coercion was going on, all of that treatment was going on. That's before we had a mandate. And the problem is that hasn't ended even with this, this injunction in place for the [00:19:00] religious accommodation. Davis Younts, Esq.: So some people have deployed. I know of a sailor that spent eight months confined to a ship on a deployment, couldn't do a single port call because he wouldn't get a. , right? He wouldn't get a booster. He got the original sh original shots. He, he, he realized, Hey, I have a religious objection to this. He filed a religious accommodation. Davis Younts, Esq.: He was objecting to getting the booster. The booster is not mandatory. So they say, but he couldn't, couldn't do anything, couldn't leave the ship, couldn't do a single port call, and he had to quarantine. So the problem I have, the big fear I have is the NDA ends the mandate. , but what kind of coercion are, are all, are you gonna face, are, are my clients going to face moving forward on all of this? Davis Younts, Esq.: What kind of coercion are they gonna continue to get over the boosters and how's that gonna end? And are you going to end up with, you know, sort of two classes of people in the military, those that are, that are refusing this, this product under the law? Those that. [00:20:00] Filed a religious accommodation or waiting for that litigation to go through and those that aren't, and you're gonna have those, those objectors if you will. Davis Younts, Esq.: Not promoted, not going t d y, not going to training, not being able to deploy and, and the rest of the military moving on. So we're still gonna see a tremendous impact on these individuals and it's gonna be a, a huge problem and I think it is gonna create some rifts if we're not. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The next thing that I wanted to to ask you about, cuz I've heard this too, as part of the restoration, is, we'll, we'll give 'em their back pay, we'll put 'em back where they were. We'll promote 'em if they were supposed to be promoted and they can go back to service. Well, people like me and most people that I've talked to, want to take the uniform off and never put it on again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I never wanna put my posi self in a position where someone can have this much power over my life to destroy my good name, to remove my medical license for doing everything appropriately. What recourse do we. in a general sense, not specifically obviously, Davis Younts, Esq.: well right. in, in a, in a general sense. I, I think that's gonna be really, [00:21:00] really important. Davis Younts, Esq.: And there's a couple of big picture things I wanna say about that. Some of this goes back to how this was handled in the first place. And then what to look forward to. Cause I think there's some general guidance to put out to people. But I, I just wanna say this. I mean, your frustration, my frustration with all of this really is because of our oath to the Constitution and people think, Hey, I'm exaggerating. Davis Younts, Esq.: I'm sensationalizing this. No l let me lay it out. Let me lay it out for you. No, you're absolutely right. But, but here's the thing here, here's why I say that, that that oath to the cons. , right? It's about understanding the function and design of our government. And it's not that we worship the Constitution, it's the principles that it's founded upon. Davis Younts, Esq.: But under that document, it says, we have three branches of government. We have legislative, executive, and judicial, and here's the issue. The fear that the founders have. The reason we have Article three, the way the reason the Constitution is written, the way it's written is there's always a fear that the executive branch as well as, because in part [00:22:00] because the military falls under the executive branch, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: The fear is that's gonna become powerful. You're gonna have this all-powerful object executive that uses the military to take over and, and, and put us in a tyrannical position as a. . So one of the things that makes is clear in our constitution is, hey, Congress makes the law, Congress passes the law. Davis Younts, Esq.: The executive branch simply carries out the law, and that's it. That's their responsibility. So what we see in this situation is you have two laws, in particular the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and then we have Title 10 and Title 21 of the United States Code that that the executive has chosen not to. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right. The executive is saying, Hey, that's the law. The law is clear, but we are not going to follow it. And the DOJ j even said at the Circuit court oral argument in the Doster case, the Ohio case affecting the Air Force, the DOJ attorney argued, Hey, we don't have to follow the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Davis Younts, Esq.: We, it only matters if we're sued in court and and [00:23:00] forced to follow it. Otherwise we don't have to. We don't have to. It just provides a remedy if we violate the law rather. Then something we have to follow. So, so we see this potential for a constitutional crisis when the executives saying, yeah, the law is clear, but we're not gonna follow it because of an emergency, or because we don't want to, or because it's not convenient or for political reasons, whatever it is. Davis Younts, Esq.: When the executive says, we're not gonna follow the law, that's, that's when our oath begins to matter. That's when our oath begins to matter so much because it says, Hey, executive, follow the constitution, follow the law as it's. So what you see now, and, and again, most people don't see it this way, but this N D A A and ending the mandate is actually the Constitution working as it should, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: Because Congress is saying to the executive, Hey, we're not going to fund you. You're not gonna have money to execute your duties as far as the military goes unless you end the mandate. Right? So that's stepping them. That's them stepping in to say it. We [00:24:00] know and and many leaders in Congress understand why this is an unlawful mandate, why the enforcement of it's been wrong, why it's been a violation of religious freedom. Davis Younts, Esq.: They're not getting that language into the N D A A yet. Maybe they'll be following legislation, but this is a strong signal and it's a pretty extraordinary signal for Congress to do that, to limit the executive. and try to get them to follow the law by cutting off the source of funding. So all of that is a background, I think just kind of background to the question you were asking, so looking forward, what does that mean? Davis Younts, Esq.: What do we do, what do we do for, for those that that no longer wanna serve? You know, today, for me personally, this is, this is my 20 year anniversary. This is Oath of Office 20 years ago today. I did see that today, and I have an approved retirement date of. All right. Congratulations. I'm supposed to retire effective tomorrow. Davis Younts, Esq.: So, you know, I for me, I'm, I'm going to get to that point as in, in the retired reserves. But there are so many that, that [00:25:00] feel very strongly that there's no point to continued service under these circumstances. Right. And there's many, many people. I talk to people every day. Part of what I'm doing is just counseling and praying with. Davis Younts, Esq.: About that issue. And part of it is this, you know, it really has become a, an ethical, moral and a religious issue for so many because we're seeing a scenario where we believe our responsibility, our moral, ethical, and religious responsibility is to the oath, is to the Constitution. We're swearing before God to uphold it, but if we're part of an organization that's not doing that anymore, that's a problem. Davis Younts, Esq.: But we see many, many others. This started before the vaccine. And it's continued. We have an organization that is, that is not, if you are a orthodox conservative Christian, you believe in the Bible. You believe all of scripture for all of life. It is very, very difficult to serve in the military today. And again, that's not an exaggeration because that biblical teaching, that foundation, the foundation of our nation, the ideas and [00:26:00] precepts, the Constitution itself is based. Davis Younts, Esq.: Are are not consistent with the policy that's being pushed out consistently. So I think many that are in a situation are gonna be in a situation to, to leave when their contract is up to retire as quickly as they possibly can to request permission to leave early. Because in many respects, what a lot of us are our conscientious objectors. Davis Younts, Esq.: right? We cannot follow God. We cannot be consistent with our faith and continue to serve in an organization that's asked us to do these things. And so that might not be seen as sort of the traditional conscientious director viewpoint, but it, but it really is that, and, and frankly, that's how, maybe how some of us should have been treated anyway. Davis Younts, Esq.: If the d o D had the legal authority to do it, they had the product available and they said, Hey, you're gonna do this regardless of your religious convictions, then they, then they could have said, okay, but we're gonna put you through a conscientious objector process and you're gonna leave, not punishment. Davis Younts, Esq.: You're gonna leave with an honorable discharge and we're gonna thank you for your service and say to you, [00:27:00] Hey, you know what? We respect your religious faith, but be, we think this is mission. and because we think it's mission critical there, there's no place for you anymore. But that wasn't the priority. Davis Younts, Esq.: The priority was 100% of the military shots in arms. The priority was always shots in arms, not the mission, not readiness, not respecting the law, not respecting the constitution, not respecting religious faith. So regardless of why, political reasons, other reasons, nefarious reasons, whatever they were, it was always about 100. Davis Younts, Esq.: Compliance 100% shots and arms. You saw that more clearly in your position than I did, but it's, that's absolutely what the goal was and what the policy was. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I wanna take you back to something you said that, you know, Congress is using its power of the purse, which they should, and they need to understand how powerful they truly are with that, that power right there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But we've seen this played out before maybe not you and me, but in history, we've seen Andrew Jackson where he was driving the natives off of the reservations, [00:28:00] and they, he went to court, and court said, all right, stop. And then he basically said, stop me. H how do we get people to follow. . Davis Younts, Esq.: Well, I, I think that's a huge challenge, but I think that we're gonna see, we're gonna see a determination and I pray that we see a continued determination of people that, that are not going to comply. Davis Younts, Esq.: That they're not gonna compromise and they're going to ply at least say, this is not, this is not how it works. And we've talked about this before, but one of the interesting things about the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the Supreme Court verified this in 2000. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act is one of those laws where an individual government actor can be held personally, financially liable for violating the law. Davis Younts, Esq.: What does that mean? What does that look like? That means an individual military officer, an individual military commander that is violating the, that. Can be held personally, financially liable for the [00:29:00] damages they've caused in court in federal court. The Supreme Court has upheld that under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Davis Younts, Esq.: So there are very few situations where the government gives up sovereign immunity, where the government gives up sovereign immunity as it pertains to the military, right? Very, very rare that a military member can sue the military in any cap. especially to get financial damages. Normally it's just to stop some action against them so they can continue to serve. Davis Younts, Esq.: But it's very, very rare that any individual commander or government agent within the military would be held personally responsible. But the Religious Freedom Restoration Act allows that, and I think that's fascinating because one of the things I'm curious to see is, , does that happen here? Is there going to be litigation where someone says, wow, this was a violation. Davis Younts, Esq.: This had a significant negative financial impact on someone, and it's you commander that issued this order. Your name's on the paper ordering this. You did this and, and the process was broken. You [00:30:00] were enforcing a religious freedom, you know, a violation of religious, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Davis Younts, Esq.: Now you're personally liable. Uncle Sam's not coming to back you up anymore. Uncle Sam's gonna wash their. It's gonna be on you cuz you violated the law. Davis Younts, Esq.: So that kind of personal accountability I think is one of the fallouts from this, and that would make a huge difference because then there would be a resurgence of a need for military commanders to, to understand the law and follow their oath. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a question for you, and this may be I don't mean to to put you out there, but. Have you or any other lawyers come together and worked on drafting something so it can be done? I don't know the proper term, but like I can do it for myself to my own lawyer, pro se, is that what it's called? Davis Younts, Esq.: Yes. Davis Younts, Esq.: Yes. There are. There have been some pro se efforts out there, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: For the religious accommodation issue. Davis Younts, Esq.: Yeah. On the religious accommodation issue. Some folks have tried that. There's some, there's some other litigation that I'm aware of [00:31:00] that's out. that relates to masking and other things, and I think there'll be more. Davis Younts, Esq.: But pro se I mean, that's just refer, that refers to someone going in without an attorney. That's been tried not to a lot of success on this, but I think people will continue to push that envelope because they have no other recourse. Right. If you, if you follow the system internal to the military, and, and many, many, many have done that, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: They, you meet with the chaplain, you file your religious accom. It's not properly processed or it's denied, then you appeal it. It's denied. Again, it's not a proper process. People file IG complaints. We saw the ig, the Department of Defense IG said, Hey, secretary of Defense. It appears clear based on just a quick statistical analysis and the information we see you're violating the law and that you have been. Davis Younts, Esq.: and, and D O D does nothing about it. So when you see a situation where the process that's in place isn't being followed by the military, even the watchdog for the military, the D O D I G warns them, [00:32:00] Hey, this doesn't look good. This looks like you're violating the law and there's no reaction, there's no action based on that. Davis Younts, Esq.: There's no change based on that. Then federal, that's when federal courts get very perturbed. You know, federal courts are hesitant to get involved in internal affairs, but if the process chain of commands follow. The administrative process is followed, IG process is followed and there's, there's no intervention, there's no stopping it. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's when you see Congress act. That's when you see federal courts get involved, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: because I would love to see the system be absolutely flooded with people like those 10,000 that you mentioned each, every single one of them, or maybe even even half of them, overwhelming and flooding the system with these pro se arguments because of the religious accommodation or because their medical accommodation was revoked for. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: non-medical reasons for political reasons rather than medical reasons. Davis Younts, Esq.: And I, and I think that's, you know, I think that's a, that's an interesting part about this because just like with the anthrax cases, it took years to restore so [00:33:00] many people and, and get, get them restored and many, many weren't. We're gonna see the same thing here. Davis Younts, Esq.: We're gonna see, see the same thing here. And I think the other thing we're gonna see moving forward I mean, imagine a scenario, and this is not far fetched at all, but imagine a scenario where, it filed a religious accommodation request. It was denied. They appealed it, it was denied as part of the blanket denial of all of this. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right? So it's clear just as it was with everybody else, it was just a blanket denial, a violation of the law. Then that, then that soldier, that airman goes says, okay, I, I don't wanna do this, but I feel like I don't have a choice. I'm gonna go get vaccinated. So they're, they're being forced to violate their religious conviction and some did. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right. And then they're. , they're injured a re as a result of receiving this product. And now you're in a situation where, you know, I, I think there's gonna be potentially years of litigation re related to that. And again, that's not farfetched. The, if you saw it this week, the fda, the [00:34:00] FDA is now recognizing a study that shows a tie to blood clots and this and this. Davis Younts, Esq.: The FDA is talking about that now that there's a correlation there. So you know, if our fears, some of the fears I have about the safety of this experimental product, cuz we have no, I don't care who you are, you can't say we have long term data on the safety of this cuz it hasn't existed long term. So the reality is, if, if this is as bad, as many believe it is, many of the experts I'm talking to think this product is, you're gonna see a situation where someone's religious freedom rights were violated, they were put in an impossible situation. Davis Younts, Esq.: They, they, they took it even though it was vi it wasn't a lawful order, they were told it was, even though it violated their religiou freedom and now they're injured. I mean, from a personal injury standpoint, from a damages standpoint, if those, those people bring cases, I mean, you're absolutely right. 10,000 of those cases more. Davis Younts, Esq.: What does that look like? That's a, that's a huge [00:35:00] effort and I hope it comes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I, you know, we're just starting to talk about this now, but it's kinda the elephant in the room. You know, I've. Been talking about all these other people who have been harmed for their career and harmed for this, and harmed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But the true, the real people that have been harmed are those that have actually been medically harmed. Like I have a 26 year old friend who can't walk across a parking lot without being winded. He was a PT stud before. You know, I, we both have a friend, Dr. He's talked about it many times in public forums. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Chambers, how, you know, he was falling at 10,000 feet and got ver. . It's like that's not the time to have vertigo. I mean, just all these health consequences. We, you and I both know many people that have been harmed, and I'm sure there's, oh, I'm certain there's many that have died from the shot. There will be many who die in the near future who should not die because of the heart failure that they're experiencing from the myocarditis. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Typically, heart failure survival rate is like five years. Well, we don't know what it's gonna be like for this. Could it be five years? Could it be 10 years? Could they have normal survival rates? Could they [00:36:00] have one year? We don't. Davis Younts, Esq.: Yeah, that, that pending wave, we just, we, we have no idea what it's gonna look like, but that's gonna come out into litigation in an environment where the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and clear federal law was violated and it, and it's not gonna look pleasant. And, you know, a couple pieces on that one from a medical standpoint, you know, I, I, I represented an Air Force officer and, and what I can say, , you know, he'd had an adverse reaction to two different families of antibiotics. Davis Younts, Esq.: Okay? Two different families of antibiotics. Adverse reaction almost killed him, right? Father had the same kind of history. One of the things that the CDC and the FDA said, and the guidances is, Hey, if, if you've had a reaction to two different families of antibiotics, it's count contraindicated that you take this product. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's just, that's just in the paperwork. So we took. Showed it to the, to, to the military, [00:37:00] and the military said, no, you don't fit into the exemption categories that we're granting. We're, we're not worried about that. You're not gonna get an exemption for that. So he said, okay, let me do some more work. In the meantime, his civilian sister and brother both had severe adverse reactions to the product. Davis Younts, Esq.: So two people that are genetically very, very similar to him have severe adverse reactions. One of 'em had to be hospital. , she collapsed within 20 minutes of getting the injection. And then he goes to see an allergist, lays everything out to an expert. Tricare approved allergist presents all of that information. Davis Younts, Esq.: The Air Force denies the medical exemption. They deny it. So, so, you know, I, I bring that up and say that, you know, so many people see that situation. They can see the unfairness of it, but there are many military members in similar situ. who then got the vaccination. But I mean, it, it really, it's not an [00:38:00] exaggeration to say it could have killed him. Davis Younts, Esq.: And, and you know, you can't speak to it much, but you know, I know for a fact that he spoke to an Air Force doctor, a uniform wearing Air Force medical provider who said, if I were you, I would not receive this injection. There is no way I would receive it. There's no way I would let a family member receive it. Davis Younts, Esq.: But you're not going to get a medical exempt. Because it doesn't fit into the categories that the Air Force has outlined, and those only categories are you're pregnant or you've had an adverse reaction to the first injection, and then it will only be a temporary one. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's so mind blowing. That's so upsetting that someone could see the truth and not do the right thing because if he didn't give him that mantle of protection, he's basically sending this guy to go die. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's right and And he was told in writing, he was told in writing, this evidence came outta his board. He was told in writing, [00:39:00] yeah. By the appeal authority for this medical exemption, a doctor, uniform wearing physician, and oh six, yes. It is entirely possible that you'll have an adverse reaction to this. Davis Younts, Esq.: I recommend that you get admitted to a hospital that has the capability of treating you immediately, particularly for Ana. Before you receive the injection, if you're uncomfortable with the risk, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: let me pause you there for a second because that is, that is so disgusting. So mind blowing, like medicine has, and this is an oh six, so this means he's, he's an Air Force colonel, means he's probably been practicing medicine for almost 20 years and he's saying, well, we have to get this shot so much. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Go get yourself admitted and get, get it on, on the floor in a hospital bed so that you don't. Why don't you just protect the man and do your job, do your duty and say, no, you should not get this. Oh my goodness, I, I know why this Davis Younts, Esq.: stuff is what makes me so hot. Medical providers, right? But, but, but because medical [00:40:00] providers credentials are threatened if they grant exemptions outside of that window or they recommend too many outside of that window, and that's where I go back to the question like, why, why is it that the policy with, with. Davis Younts, Esq.: so-called vaccine with this mandate has been 100% compliance, 100% shots in arms. And that's been the priority, not anything else. And when that's your priority and not anything else from a military perspective, you are going to have negative consequences. And we could go through history and talk about that. Davis Younts, Esq.: We could talk about withdrawal. From nations where what we're given is not an objective to, Hey, we need to have this accomplished. We need to be able to do A, B, or C safely. We need to have all our equipment out, but rather it's an arbitrary deadline and we're gonna be out by that deadline. Right? I mean, we can look at military history, we can see that, and we can see where, when it's anything other than military readiness, the mission following. Davis Younts, Esq.: And some other outside, whether it's a political [00:41:00] factor you know, monetary factor, whatever it is, you see disastrous consequences cause we're getting away from where we should be following the law, doing the mission. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's, I'm, I'm still shocked over here , that a doctor would do that. I mean, that is whoever that guy is, I would please have. put in an ethical violation at hi that doctor's state board, because that is completely unacceptable and that is why we have state boards so that we can police ourselves. They've been policing me for doing the right thing, but this guy needs to be stopped because that is dangerous. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And who knows how many other people he's recommended that same thing too. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's right. And that's just one story. I mean, there, there are multiple stories of, of members of the Air Force who I've spoken to, you know, those that had a significant adverse reaction to the first injection. we're given a temporary exemption and then told after a few months, Hey, you gotta go get the second one. Davis Younts, Esq.: You know, those, it's just, it's, it's been difficult. There are [00:42:00] others who are having severe adverse reactions that are now having difficulty getting compensation because they're, they're reservists or in the guard, you know, they got it in a duty status that happened, but, but no one wants to recognize that it's a result of, of the injection. Davis Younts, Esq.: So there's big problems there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and this, this is why we need justice. This is why like, just getting rid of this mandate is not good enough. There needs to be walls that, that are immobile, that keep this from ever happening again. Because in two years, in, in six months, we could be in the same position, except they'll have the knowledge to know, well, let's not leave this avenue open for them to defend themselves. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let's not leave this avenue open for them to defend themselfs. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's right. And you know, we need to, we need to stay focused on, we need to stay focused on learning from history. We need to learn the lessons from this. We need to learn the examples from this. Because part of it is when we look at the recruiting crisis, we talk about the recruiting crisis. Davis Younts, Esq.: You know, there are some who think, [00:43:00] oh, well now that the mandate is ended right now that this mandate has ended, we're not gonna have a recruiting problem anymore because all these people, all these misled fools that don't wanna join the military, cuz they're scared of a. Now they'll come and join. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right? That's been the mentality. You, you, we've seen that mentality from the beginning. They thought they were gonna be able to bully everybody into getting the shot in the first place. That's not going to cure all of the problem because people have watched what's happened throughout this process and they have seen it. Davis Younts, Esq.: And what you've seen is, if you look at the surveys, the military's gone from one of the most trusted institutions in our. and that that trust level is dropping off precipitously in public perception. There there's a reason for that. There's a reason for that. And I think we, we have to be very, very aware of that. Davis Younts, Esq.: You know, so, you know, I'm, I'm retiring here and, and I'm looking at this and, and I know I'm, what I'm gonna be praying for. I know what I'm gonna be working for, which is that we. You know, after this purge of Christians is [00:44:00] over, and, and hopefully we can get this turned around, that there will be people that, that come forward, that step up, that have learned for this will take stands and we can change military culture, but part of that's gonna come from what, what's the moral and ethical standard that we're gonna abide by? Davis Younts, Esq.: Is it, is it fear or, or is it, is there a shared morality? Is there a shared. That, that we all believe in. We swear an oath under God to the Constitution. Let's start with that and, and move forward together with that shared ethic. Because if, if we don't, we're becoming unmoored from anything and we don't have a shared ethic in, in the military anymore. Davis Younts, Esq.: And the strangers are those who believe in the Constitution, who take that oath seriously, who would die for that oath and, and believe that our nation has been blessed tremendously by God, and, and it's just become very, very d. To nearly impossible for a strong Christian to continue to serve. And I pray we can change that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that's a perfect little segue into the [00:45:00] next part that I wanna discuss with you. And now I'm sure there are some atheists on this side, but it seems that most people that I've talked to an overwhelming majority are Christian and some, some Jewish faith. I'm sure there's some other faith too. I just haven't had the opportunity to run into them yet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it, it truly seems that this is a war against a religion in particular. And some other people seem to fall into that, that undesirable category as well, just because, you know, they're getting targeted too. But it's all religious people mostly, it seems, and it's hard to make an argument that this is anything other than a war in the unseen. Davis Younts, Esq.: I, I 100% believe that my, my faith informs that and, and I think this war has been coming. I think, you know, we weren't, we weren't ready . I I think many of us weren't ready. I don't think I was entirely ready. I think many Christians within the military weren't ready for, for this unseen battle. But it, but it's been coming because we've seen, I mean, look, I, I remember sitting at an Air Force base on [00:46:00] orders. Davis Younts, Esq.: for going through Antit extremism training and, and I'll never forget what's there. So everything people see in the media as far as, oh, religious extremism and other things, it's there. But the most chilling thing is just the statement that if you know anyone who's part of an organization that believes in something so much that they use language like I would be willing to die for. Davis Younts, Esq.: This is an extremist. And I just stop that. I look around the room and I'm like, that's supposed to be all of. That's supposed to be every single one of us. And so we take an oath, some moments like that where I say, you know, wow, this is, this is an organization that I'm, I'm just, I, that's what I say. I feel like a stranger in a foreign land, right? Davis Younts, Esq.: We're, we're losing that. Where, where did that go? What's, what's the moral unethical basis for what we're doing? And it has ramifications. It has ramifications when we. Things like the, the sexual ethic within the military, the way people are treated within the military, [00:47:00] all of that, all of that comes together. Davis Younts, Esq.: And, and we have seen, you know, chaplains pushed out of the military because of their stance on same sex marriage. We've seen all of those things. Those things are only gonna continue, you know, and, and it's gonna move from this treatment of those who have a good faith, religious object. To this experimental treatment, to anyone who refuses to put their pronouns in their signature block on their official military email. Davis Younts, Esq.: Right. That's coming. All of that's coming. If we're not careful and we're not prepared to take a stand on it. So you know, I pray that God will move. I pray for revival because this is a sin issue. This is a spiritual battle that we're waging. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. That's Dr. Sam Sigoloff: perfect. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is there anything else you wanna leave us with? Davis Younts, Esq.: No, I, I think my biggest thing is I , I don't want to be a total downer, especially before, before the holiday. I, [00:48:00] we can't miss the fact that this is a significant step. Let, let's not miss the fact that there was a critical mass of, of senators and congressmen that were not going to move forward on the N D A A, no matter the cost. Davis Younts, Esq.: Without this provision in it. And I, and I think that's huge, and it did reach a critical mass. It was very close, but in the Senate, that's what it took. It took 12 senators coming together and saying, I will not compromise on this. Absolutely. We wanted them to do more. We know this does very little. But it, but it is encouraging to, to know that they're listening, that they're hearing, that they're paying attention more and more seem to be listening and paying attention every day. Davis Younts, Esq.: And, and that's where it starts. We need Congress to do their job as the legislative branch, to, to use every tool in their tool book to reign in an executive when they're going too far. That's what we need to continue to pray for. And we're seeing judges throughout the united. That are willing to take a stand and do the extraordinary thing of stopping the military from [00:49:00] violating the law. Davis Younts, Esq.: Again, that's rare in our court system. That's rare in federal courts that the, they're willing to do it. So there's absolutely hope. God can absolutely move and change. Revival can happen and, and this change to the N D A A while, it's not, it's not much. It's a positive step in the right direction. And what's encouraging to me about it. Davis Younts, Esq.: Those that were willing to take a stand, those that were willing to take a stand in Congress on this issue and not compromise, and hopefully that gives them courage for, for the rest of the fight that we need. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I agree. It's, it's a win and, you know, celebrate today, but tomorrow get back up and put the, the duty uniform of the full armor of God on and get ready to keep standing. Davis Younts, Esq.: That's right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you brother. Davis Younts, Esq.: God. Thank you. God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, [00:50:00] the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

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Of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Thanks for joining me again. I have a wonderful guest here, but before I introduce Ivan, I want to give a special thanks to all my Patreon supporters. I wanna thank you very much. This past week I was able to give you a sneak peek of the episode cuz I was able to get it completed and edited and put up on Patreon for only the supporters prior to it being put out on Rumble. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I want to give a special thanks to Sam and Angela Sheey. I wanna give a thanks to Perry, Kevin, Alans, Katie, Victoria. Kate, Victoria Joe and pj, thank you so much for helping support me. Anybody who's been able to purchase one of these, I wanna thank [00:01:00] you very much for helping support me. I've got them available. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I'm doing in batches about 48, mainly not to overwhelm my shipping department, which is just my wife. So we're, we're using all of those funds to help. The, the try and help offset some of the costs where we've spent over $60,000 so far on legal fees just to try and keep my good name good, even though they, I've done nothing wrong. Dr Sam Sigoloff: All right, so that brings us to Ivan Raichlen. So Ivan was re is now retired Lieutenant Colonel was in the Green Beret and we met through some, some various friends that, that most people in the audience know, but we'll leave that name out at the moment. And you were a lawyer. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Constitutional lawyer is, is in, in the military and you still continue to practice constitutional. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Okay, so let me just a quick introduction. Thanks for that, Sam. Thanks for having me on your show after hours and off duty in our personal capacities as always, right? Yes sir. Exercising our first amendment that is ours to you as we like [00:02:00] for those listening in that are haters. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So with that said, I spent the last quarter of a century often on and off active duty garden. In all three capacities, all Army, right? As well as as a civilian contractor in different capacities supporting the Department of Defense via the Defense Intelligence Agency and whatnot. And I would say that my last two, well, I served as a Green Beret intel officer, spanning tactical, operational, strategic. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: We can go in a little bit more detail since your au audience is probably more military, right? I'll give a little more detailed introduction on that. I served as a detachment commander in 20th group, 20th Special Forces. If you guys wanna take a look and see and, and check me out and see what haters I have out there. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: You know, I missed my military career. By all means do. So. 19 Special Forces Group. I had the honor privilege serving as a company commander. Had a really good experience there, the Texas National Guard, but my deployed time was, [00:03:00] Essentially, I'd say in four buckets. One was out there, you know, it went to Afghanistan, did the old counter Taliban mission, if you will. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Then we went to, let's see, I was the military attache as well, and that was as what do you call it, and to Andi, Georgia has a reserve attach. So for those that don't know what that is, and I'm a military diplomat. Yes, I do speak Russian as well as Spanish, Arabic, and French. Picked those up along the way. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: And then I've served in Central and South America, obviously Spanish, doing a mission in El Salvador, Honduras. So obviously, you know, supporting our US embassy and then our partners to, to counter the MS 13 threat. And then what else did we do? Jordan went to Jordan countering helping partners in Jordan to counter the ISIS threat. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Right? And then lastly, I'd say, You know, from a domestic perspective, coupled with what [00:04:00] I did in the Republic of Georgia to counter the, the Russian threat was I served in the, on the Ukraine crisis team in the Pentagon and had the, this was in 2014, and a lot of the stuff coming out about our good friends let's just say the the beloved son Hunter, and then. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: If you've seen the report on his, his laptop as published by a nonprofit called Marco Polo usa, it's about 620 pages that references about 459 crimes committed by him, his siblings, his uncle, and his beloved father, which we're probably not gonna get into in this episode. That's, that's something for the states to resolve. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: For the the Congress to resolve which I'm actually helping out Dr Sam Sigoloff: when I get off active duty. I can have you come back on, maybe we can talk about some of that. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Well, yeah, you, you don't need to talk about it, but I sure am heavily involved in making sure that there is remedy for the abject [00:05:00] constitutional violations that have occurred. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So let, let me back up. So close out my introduction. So that's my background is special ops in. What have you. And those different deployments shaped my perspective, opinion, and professional background, coupled with when I was not on active duty and not in in status, if you will, in military status because I did some significant portion of my career in Garden and Reserve when I wasn't on status, I ended up obtaining a, a law degree and then really focus my efforts on constitutional issues, particularly in the national security space. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So constitutional, national security. When, let's just say when our constitution is being violated ad nauseum, I call it the, the unadulterated mutilation by certain actors within our constitutional actors that are violating that constitution. I, you know, whether it's in or outta uniform, I find it, it's an [00:06:00] obligation to call those people out. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: I don't care. I don't care who they are, what positions they, they're, Bottom line is people that can violate the Constitution are those that are constitutional actors, which means they're either members of the article one branch of government, that's the legislature, article two branch of government, which is the executive branch or the Article three branch of government. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Right. The judicial. And then you can argue also that the Article four branch of government are the states, so that technically speaking, the states are not in. As a robust position to violate the constitution because the, what most people fail to realize, the highest authority in our constitutional construct is not the Supreme Court, it is the state legislatures, because for those that don't agree with me, let's go back into history. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: When America one point. The beta version, if you will, was established in [00:07:00] 1776. It was just proclaimed as a land mass, right, of 13 colonies. Then we moved on to our 2.0, if you will, which was the Articles of Confederation, the 13 articles that laid out the rule book of how these 13 colonies are now 13 states that are going to interact with each other with a practically non-existent centralized form of. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Confederation, right? And then we moved on to America. I guess you went from beta to 1.0 2.0, we'll call it the United States Constitution, which was passed on September 17th, 1787. The reason why I go into this detail is that folks that are in the mil that are in our federal government that have taken the Title five section 33 30 to the cons, I get it. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Most of you are gonna be able to say, oh yeah, I know the oath. I can memorize it, and then you start to spew it out. Okay, great. We [00:08:00] all can do that. But it doesn't, that is not even the start. If I ask you, Sam, and anybody, and I'm, this is exactly to put you on the spot, and it's not because I'm a lawyer, it helped. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Right. That's my focus. It, it is to put you on the spot, and this is for anybody listening at the highest levels all the way up to the top. If I sit down with you, general, if I sit down with you, director of any agency, and I say, guess what, how are you gonna, how are you gonna defend the Constitution? If I sit down and say, Hey, what, what are you gonna do when vertical two, section one, clause two is violated? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Well, if you don't know that, what about Article one, section four? If you don't, if you. Defend the base seven articles of the Constitution. Then how about we transition to some of the amendments? What are you gonna do when the 10th Amendment is violated? Sam, what about the 12th Amendment? If you don't know what the 10th Amendment is, well if you don't know what the [00:09:00] 12th Amendment is, how about we proceed onto the 25th Amendment section four? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: What do you think most people in our entire government are gonna. When I sit them down one by one and ask them, what are you gonna do when those provisions of the constitution are violated? What do you think? No clue. Which begs the question, if you have no clue what you're defending, how are you gonna be able to defend it? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: That is exactly my point, and I'm putting everybody on the spot. So let's back up. How do we start to fix that? Cause you know, I like to identify everybody can identify a problem. I think this is the foundational problem to everything to include what's happened to you. Briefing stems from the system, not knowing the rule book that we're supposed to play by, and the few of us that do know the rule book that call out, call people out that don't know it and that violate it, but [00:10:00] they're in a position of discretionary authority. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Arguably speaking. We are here to educate them so, If you go to a website, I think it's called CPMs, OD Mil, if I'm not mistaken, and that is a website that essentially showcases that every new person onboarding within our, within the Department of Defense is required to do cons, citizenship, and Constitution Day. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: I don't remember anybody having to do that under N D A A, I believe 2005 or whatnot. Everyone's supposed to do it. Guess what? They, they make mandatory, the self, what was it, mutilation training recently. They just from promulgating, Hey, everybody has to go through the mutilation advocacy training, right? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: It is great. It's so great for the force [00:11:00] to mutilate yourself. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. It's, it's a horrible thing. I, I had, I was supposed to click through it. Yeah. I, I had to click through it the other day. Maybe a month. It's probably been more than the other day, but it was a couple months ago. They sent it to me and said, did you do the training? Dr Sam Sigoloff: I clicked through it. I didn't do any training cuz I, it's medically not safe. It goes against my religious beliefs. It goes against my ret LTC Ivan Raklin: You did do well. No, I don't wanna get. It sounds like you did all of the training according to how they wanted you to do it. Right? I got it. Yep. That's what I heard you just say. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Yep, that's what I just heard you say. That's what I heard you say, Sam. Okay, so don't comment on this portion here, please. . With all due respect, now, how is it good for the forest to basically say, Hey guys, I want you to take, I wanna take away all of your time from your primary function. Being able to each individually support and defend the Constitution enemies, foreign and domestic. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: I also wanna divert your [00:12:00] attention from that role, from fighting and winning the nation's wars. Continue to divert from that and say, you know what? Because possibly the, and I'm, I'm arguing at the highest levels here based on these reports that have come out that beyond show, beyond a reasonable doubt. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: There are certain individuals in our system that appear to be captured by a foreign entity particularly, you know, including family members. And so it's almost as though these policies are divert and distract to weaken our national security apparatus. Now, I've been in it for a quarter of a century up until August of 30th, and so now I can speak freely and see the, the progression as though not only are they promoting. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Mutilation. They're promoting the mutilation of our constitutional norms, and that is unacceptable, absolutely unacceptable. One of the reasons why I said, you know what? I'll be in a better position, not in the system that is promulgating the [00:13:00] demise of our national security. Step out, call it out, and then be a peer. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: If not, I would say at this point, I am now superior to our senior leaders as a private citizen. And they're gonna do the will of the people and not the will of what Violating the Constitution. So going back to the Constitution, Dr Sam Sigoloff: I, I do wanna say that this is the, this year, I believe it's the first year I ever remember doing Cons, constitution Day training. And I've been in the Army for 10 years now, and this is the first time I remember ever doing it. I was shocked. I was, I was surprised. I was very happy. I was, you know, a little skeptical because of you know, who's putting this on? Dr Sam Sigoloff: What are they really teaching? The Constitution says things like, it's a living document, which ret LTC Ivan Raklin: over the, yeah, imagine over the course of 25 years instead of going through human mutilation training. Things that are not related to [00:14:00] protecting the, you know, the American public providing for the common defense. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: That's a constitutional requirement of the national government to provide for the common defense through its department, right? Well, but instead all these other things I think we'd be in a much better position cuz then we would have a baseline understanding of what our core values are. I don't care where you're coming in from. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: You come. You do the, the training. You, you take the oath, you learn where the oaths from, right? Title five, section 3, 3, 3, 1. And then you go beyond that and you actually learn about what the constitutional construct is, and you're there to, your oath is to defend it. So you first have to learn it and know it. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: And once you learn it and know it, then you can be educated and trained on what the threats. Foreign, right? Foreign are the threats that are first and foremost, and then as a backstop [00:15:00] domestic, and then you have to figure out what those threats are and then how to train yourself to be better equipped to be able to confront those threats. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Okay. And because our constitutional system is set up so that the Department of Defense is focused on foreign threats and then. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Domestic actors, like, I'm gonna be careful on your show, how I'm gonna frame this cause I don't wanna get you in trouble. Domestic actors within our Article two branch of government, such as our Department of Justice and the subordinate entities therein, as well as the Department of Homeland Security and the. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Entities subordinate to that focus on our domestic, which they still have yet to define what a domestic threat is so that it can be then countered. Right. That's like a legal distinction and nuance. Right. But speaking on the Department of Defense role, like you go in like, okay, if these are the threats that are listed, Under the constitutional authority as [00:16:00] laid out, and then you go down the list like what is required for me to counter that threat? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Okay, maybe I'll learn the language, the culture, then look at their, their ability to threaten our security. And then you go through that from the strategic level, operational planners. Then go ahead and provide that, the guidance to the tactical level operators to then execute on the those objectives. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Ends ways means, right, for those that are gone through that, that training. However, our leaders, I used that loosely in quotes because our, I argue that our institutions failed us in the last quad electoral process. I wanna make sure I'm using. Constitutional language here and staying away from any of the triggering words. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Right? So, absolutely. And so [00:17:00] these are just blatantly without any reservation with purpose of evasion. Our constitutional principles and norms and we can go into detail if you want, on what those are. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, yeah, I mean, last night I, I watched and it came out a couple days ago and encouraged everyone to watch it cuz it was so good I didn't get to finish it cuz it was getting kind of late. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But Glenn Beck did this like a two hour special on, on just this, people violating the constitutional, their constitutional rights. So one of the stories was like Amazon working with the F B I to get this guy they, they took all of his assets through civil asset forfeiture, everything, his bank accounts, his wife's bank accounts, just so that Amazon could, it, it seemed as if they only did it to Amazon to get out of a hundred million dollar contract they had with this man because if. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Committed a [00:18:00] felony, then that breaks the contract and Amazon's not on the hook. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Actually, you know what, if I may, yeah, if I may, Sam, can we go through, like, I'm gonna give examples of constitutional violations that I've, I've observed over the last couple years or so, or maybe six, and then we'll, as we go through it, I'm gonna match it with the provisions of the Constitution. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So we essentially use this class as well, going through the seminar articles and the 27 amendment. To our constitution. I'm not gonna go through all of them. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I think it's wonderful because that way we can help teach people like, yeah, you swear to defend, but what, what did you swear to defend? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Let's you know, a constitutional corner, if you will. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Yeah, exactly. You gotta know it to then be able to defend it. If you know what the rules are and you're like, oh wait, I saw so-and-so do the same thing, and then you can let me know so that we can expose some light. Shine that flood light. Know that little magnifying glass [00:19:00] on the ant, kinda line it up. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Sunlight is the best disinfectant, ret LTC Ivan Raklin: peacefully and patriotically, of course, . So section four, and stop me if you don't want me to talk about these things. Yeah, keep going please. Okay. Article one is just the foundational principles of what the legislative brand. Ok. Oh, lemme back up. Foundational principles. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: The state legislatures went to the Constitution as it was written in September 17th, 1787. It was ratified by the ninth of 13 states, making it the three quarters required vote under the ratification process to our constitution, where I think New Hampshire conducted that final vote was the state legislatures of 13 states that allowed for the Constitution to be created. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Okay. If three quarters of the states legislatures decide to amend [00:20:00] or publish and nullify that same constitution, so the same authority that created is the same authority that can nullify. Okay. Not the Supreme Court, right? No one else. So article one, the the legislators created the Constitution and granted certain rights. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Ability for a federal government to exist and allow that federal government to do something, and the federal government that allows the states to do something. It's the states that allow the federal government to exist. States don't want it to exist. They collectively, three quarters say, you know what? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: We're pulling back. There's another argument to be made that if three quarters of the state legislatures, if it falls below, Where 25% plus one of the state legislatures, meaning 13 states, [00:21:00] if I'm not mistaken, if 13 states legislatures decide, you know what? We don't want the fa. We don't wanna be a part of this, this thing, call the United States Scholars out there that have argued that because of the 75% or three quarter threshold has been pierced beneath. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Then also possibly the federal government is not in existence and I'm not ad I'm just peacefully and patriotically advocating legal analysis here. Okay. Via the First amendment for the haters out there. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. There you go. Now. Understanding that as a foundational principle, if the states allowed the federal government to do something, it's in the Constitution. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: And then also if the states allowed in the Constitution certain restrictions on themselves. That's in [00:22:00] the Constitution. It's not specifically written as something that the states allow the federal government to do, nor Barr themselves from doing specifically in that federal document as the US Constitution. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: That means the states themselves have all the power. That's our 10th amendment, so let's go through it. Seven Article 27 Amendments Critical. One Legislative. Section four. I keenly observed that under Article one, section four, and I, I don't know if you wanna bring this stuff up, whatever. I dunno if you can screen share if you want, but it basically talks about elections to be done, time, place, and manner as stipulated, respective state. Dr Sam Sigoloff: The episode has been paused and some of it has been. To hear the entire episode, please go to my Patreon account and subscribe for as little [00:23:00] as $1 a month to hear the entire episode. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Right, right. Exactly. Education. Education. So that's the Fifth Amendment. Let's go into. Let's see here. We talked about the first, third, fourth, fourth amendment violation. Carter Page, his fourth amendment, unreasonable Turkey seizure by the fi unlawfully, right? Investigation. After investigation, we had different entities and a special council. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: We had another special council. Basically showed that the obtaining of that Pfizer warrant was done. I'm gonna call what it [00:24:00] is. It was totally fourth Amendment violation, right? So we have to know and observe and identify that to make sure that those actors that violated it, they feel the First Amendment pressure, they are committing transgressions wrong. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Sixth, seventh, eight. Get into that trial stuff. Ninth, 10th. 10th Amendment. Let's review that. 10th. Yeah. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10th amendment. Done. So with the 10th Amendment, things that are not in the Constitution, well, what's in the Constitution needs to be looked at. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: If the states allowed it for the federal government to do, and it's in the Constitution, it's fine. Those authorities, if it's not in the Constitution and directly not prohibited to the states, those powers and authorities remain in the states. [00:25:00] Taking the 10th Amendment, coupled with our Article two, section one, clause two, which is the state legislatures are the ones that decide and allocate those electors or president. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: When those states see, based on the report that was just published two days ago, the Chinese Communist Party's ambassador to the United States is currently squatting in the White House, and anybody pointed subordinate to that person ret LTC Ivan Raklin: is basically, Pointed under those auspices and is promulgating policies to the benefit of a foreign threat. Now we start to get into a constitutional crisis and the constitutional crisis can be remedied. There are three ways to remedy that. There's a 25th [00:26:00] amendment removal, right, but here's the problem. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: That 25th amendment removal does not remedy the person that replace. That person because that person that takes over has been selected by the original problem. Okay, vice president, right next we have, it's one method. Another method is called impeachment, right? Impeach in the house. Convict convicting the Senate. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: That is, that is a method mechanism, and we, we shall see how that plays out starting January. I think the third method is the most appropriate under these current circumstances. If you agree with me that the 2020 election was these states conducted their election outside of their election law, which the former failed Vice President agrees with that statement, and he's on record saying that, then [00:27:00] that triggers that Article two, section one, clause two, constitutional violation, thus nullify. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: The electors that were transmitted from the states that actually violated the constitution, and they now need to call back their electors under that construct. Bring them back, oh, I don't know. Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Pennsylvania in New New Hampshire, and then the unit camera. The way Nebraska's, the only state that has the unicameral body, they're called, I believe, call one of their electors, and that will be more than the 37 electoral vote necessary to correct the record of what happened in 2020. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: And then that would trigger the 12th Amendment, which provides for a contingent election framework in the US House of Representatives. What do they vote? [00:28:00] One state, one vote for who they would vote for out of the pool of candidates remaining that are not disqualified. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: And then you'll see how that plays out possibly in January. And then on the US Senate. You would have a vote for vice president, one person, one vote, to then determine who that vice president would be, unless a succession triggering event. So you have, I'll close with this. The succession triggering event is if you don't have a president and you don't have a vice. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: The speaker of the house becomes president, right? Or a succession and the President pro Tempur becomes the vice president. It'll be interesting to see who the speaker of the house is about to be and the Senate Pro Tempur is about to be. [00:29:00] So that's really it. And the constitutional framework, knowing and understanding it, you can educate others. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So that we collectively as a society, we, the people and our institutions are within the framework of our cons. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, Ivan. This has been very educational very helpful and I would love to have you back when you have time. This I, I'd like to get like a regular spot with you, maybe once a month or so. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And maybe I can get some questions from my Patreon supporters. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Yeah, absolutely. And if I can I put a plug in for like, if you want more details. I have done articles and I, I trickle out articles. It's just ivan Raklin.com that go into way more detail of what I just talked about with the references and the citations. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So you can literally take a look and in fact, in law, check everything I'm talking about so that you just don't take my word for it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Right. We should never take anyone's word for it. We should. That's part of that refining fire. You know, you're, you're held to a high [00:30:00] standard because you're always under investigations, unfortunately. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But also, The people that subscribe to your substack they hold you to a high standard too, cuz you have to make sure what you're putting out is as accurate as it can be at the time that you published it. Tell the truth or at least don't lie. You know? We don't always know what, what the truth is, but we know what the lie is. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It's the thing that makes us feel weak ret LTC Ivan Raklin: to motivate others. My philosophy and life is, there's two options. I'm either gonna. Or I'm not gonna lose. Okay. I like it. Not losing means you just don't stop. You just keep going. . Dr Sam Sigoloff: Right. You haven't lost if you haven't stopped. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Exactly. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you. I'd love to, to maybe schedule another time with you, maybe in a month or so. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Maybe I can put out some feelers for questions that we might want to ask you if, if that's all right. Yep. I can get those to you before. Yeah. This has been amazing cuz Yeah, I think a constitutional corner where we, we talk about these constitutional issues on a semi-regular basis is, is [00:31:00] very important because what are we defending? Dr Sam Sigoloff: What are we, what do we swear to? ret LTC Ivan Raklin: Absolutely. And it cr it brings it into, you know, cause a lot of people like, ah, arcane document, how does it applied to today? But bringing in the rules and then applying it to today's reality, I think that's where people will gain more interest and appreciation. It's, it's a brilliant document. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: It, it's, it's phenomenal how it was put together. The checks and balances, they're there. If, if we just basically collectively abi abided by it, we wouldn't have a lot of these issues that have occurred in all these, this foreign. Impact on our constitutional system wouldn't be happening as it's happening the last couple years especially. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Right. There's so many people that that think that, yeah, there's so many people that think that the Constitution is not good, but no, it's great. We're not following it. That's, that's what's not good cause we're not following the laws as they're written. ret LTC Ivan Raklin: So yeah. Thank you brother. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you brother. I appreciate it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I'm glad to have Dr Sam Sigoloff: you on.[00:32:00] Dr Sam Sigoloff: Just a Dr Sam Sigoloff: reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for joining me again today. I have a wonderful guest, but before I, I. I wanna give a special shout out and thanks to all my patron sub subscribers, I truly appreciate y'all are really making a big difference. We have Shell at $50 a month. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Sam and Angela Sheey at $20 and 20 cents a month. We have the Pandemic reprimand tier with Linda Perry, Ty. We have at a $10 self-made level, Katie and Kevin at the refined, not burned $5 level. We have Emmy, Joe, pat, and Bev, pj, Rebecca, and at the Courage is [00:01:00] contagious. The $1 a month we have. We have Jay and Spitz nasty. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much. Please encourage your friends to listen and I try to get episodes up early at Patreon so y'all can hear those before everyone else can. Today we have a very special guest. We have Sasha Lativa. Sorry, I took a couple times to get that right. So certainly wanna say it right, because you are bringing amazing information now instead of me trying to make my way through how you're one of the best people to hear this from. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Can you just tell us yourself and tell us your research and what you've been. . Sasha Latypova: Yes. Well, thank you for inviting me. Pleasure to be here. My background is in pharmaceutical research and development and I, I worked about 25 years in various capacities in the, in the industry. I ultimately ran several. Sasha Latypova: contract research organizations focused on delivering clinical trials, working in clinical trials all over the world for pharmaceutical companies. I had over 60 clients large and small pharma. Pfizer was one of them. So as AstraZeneca and, and Johnson Johnson, Novartis, big companies. And you know, I worked in pretty much [00:02:00] all therapeutic areas, but I never worked in vaccines. Sasha Latypova: And I, I now realize that that's a whole. Bowl game devoid of, largely devoid of regulations. And so, but, but my experience is from highly regulated drugs. And biologics and medical devices space. So, and that's, you know, I retired from the industry and I, I was living very happy life. I didn't want to come back. Sasha Latypova: I, I saw I'd never see it again. And then in 2020 I became very concerned with what was going on. I was very concerned with how they were misrepresenting and lying to the public openly. I, I knew that the professionals were lying especially about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. And misrepresenting the safety profiles of those drugs, which were very well known and characterized. Sasha Latypova: And so that was a red flag for me. And that's when I started, you know, investigating, looking into data for myself. I looked into various data a lot. And I also read now, you know, a lot of FOIA documents became available. So, and that's how my, my research is based on, on those.[00:03:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for giving us that background. So tell us about your research, cuz I, we talked a little bit before we just started and you were nodding your head and like, yep, yep. I found all that, I found everything that, and this is, and I know you haven't watched it yet, but it was the episode that I did episode 33, bio warfare part one, and, and you found a lot of the similar things and I've heard you speak before and you expound on it so much more. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's why I just really wanted you to come on Sasha Latypova: and talk. Sorry, can you repeat the question cuz the first part kind of cut off. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So we started talking before we started recording and a lot of the things that I was mentioning you had come across and, and I've heard you speak in other locations and you've gone so much more in depth to what I was kind of skim on the surface on and how so much of what we're seeing, like the virus. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The va, the alleged vaccine. This genetic therapy is, seems to all be A D O D operation. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, so, so it actually is a D O D operation. So the, the Department of Defense is [00:04:00] chief Operating Officer of the covid response or operation warp speed. And all of the covid. Response products, they're, they're categorized as countermeasures, and this includes vaccines, but it also includes well they're not vaccines, but that's what they call them. Sasha Latypova: This includes therapeutics and various sorts of things like even masks and tests and staffing and you know, so anything that's related to covid is categorized under this countermeasure and funded through d e d. And implemented with very tight control from the d o d everything. Sasha Latypova: Starting from the design Yeah. To the implementation and manufacturing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Can I pause you for a second because you said a word that I think is very important to define, and I have not defined this cuz I, I did not see this and I'm glad that you're bringing it forth. Countermeasures. What does countermeasures mean and what is the implication of that? Sasha Latypova: Yeah, it's, it's a very important category to understand. Well, actually, it's very vaguely [00:05:00] defined, so pretty much anything can be a countermeasure, right? You can, you know, pick up a rock and throw it somebody, and it will be a countermeasure So they deliberately define it so broadly and so vaguely that pretty much anything that they want to throw into this category can, can go there. Sasha Latypova: And in this case they're called medical countermeasures, although it's, you know, it doesn't, doesn't make it more specific than than that. And yeah, but the counter meas. So, so people need to understand that drugs, vaccines, medical devices, And you know, things like that. These are all legal categories. Sasha Latypova: So once you designate something as a drug the regulator is designated as a class of drug based on the risk, class one, class two, class three, or a medical device, same thing. And then a whole set of laws apply to that. Thing. So once it's categorized properly in legal terms, which is drug or vaccine or medical device, then [00:06:00] there are laws that apply to it that regulate how the, you know, especially the quality of, of its manufacturer. Sasha Latypova: Reproducibility, consistency, purity, potency, labeling, and of course how all of those the claims that manufacturers are making, let's say, you know, I'm making a device to make you see better, right? So then you have to prove that claim in the clinical trial. The same with drugs same with vaccines in, in theory, but this is none of those. Sasha Latypova: This category of countermeasures is none of. , there are no regulatory frameworks or laws that apply to countermeasures as far as how they're going to be made. How are they going to be tested? What labeling applies to them? They're outside of the regulated space and There, even the, you know, we know that, for example, for vaccines in general, there's very little liability, or practically no liability, but at least some somebody who is injured by a vaccine, let's say a [00:07:00] childhood vaccination, they can submit a claim to the National Vaccine Injury Fund. Sasha Latypova: and I what the first thing I, when they started, you know, saying we're going to approve these, these mRNA vaccines. I went and looked, is it on the National Vaccine Injury Fund? And it's not. It's not because it's not a vaccine, it's a countermeasure. There's a separate claims process. For countermeasures that very rarely pays anybody else. Sasha Latypova: There is limitation only for one year to file the claim. And so that, again, it just tells you it's a whole different category of things for which laws do not apply. Regulations do not apply. Clinical trials cannot happen for these things, and labeling can be. , whatever these criminals think of, they can mislabel them as much as they want. Sasha Latypova: And so, so that's what, that's what people need to understand. So countermeasure is something that doesn't fall into the regular laws applying to the drugs, medical devices, and vaccines. [00:08:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. So, so what you're saying, and lemme just kind of, you know, summarize all that is, the countermeasures have nothing to do with law and their countermeasures for war. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And when you're at. People don't care about rules and laws and regulations because we're at war. Sasha Latypova: Absolutely. Yeah. So, so the justification the government gives is like, well, well we have to have these countermeasures for when we have an attack. Somebody throws a nuclear bomb on us. And you know, there's this's a desperate situation and when to provide something and therefore no liability can be expected. Sasha Latypova: Okay, well that's fine as an argument. But. . You can't mandate everyone to be injected with that thing. If it's so desperate and no laws applying, then you can't mandate it. A either You can offer it. Sure. Especially you if you disclose, you know, here's the situation, here's what we're offering. That's totally okay. Sasha Latypova: But what they're doing is, is, is [00:09:00] the opposite of this. They're, they're misrepresenting the act of war as a health event. , and they have been doing it since the beginning, since March or February, 2020. They're misrepresenting the act of war as a health event, and then they're lying to people of what they're using, which is these unregulated countermeasures that d o d makes, and they're misrepresenting them as a pharmaceutical product that Pfizer makes, you know, so, so that's, that's the biggest lie that everybody has been subjected. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think it's, it's incredible cuz for my, for my research, I, I found that I can definitively say we, if we declared war, which I think we did, we did it on 27th March when we declared an emergency so that we could have the legal authority to make emergency use authorization a thing. And we see that with masks, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So many people don't quite understand that any mask mandate is unlawful because masks are authorized under the [00:10:00] e u A to help stop the spread of viruses, which that's not a thing that can happen. They're more dangerous and deadly and harmful than they are helpful. Re recently at my post, they had a mask mandate for these past four weeks, and today it gets lifted. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, it's all e u a, you can't tell a soldier or. Any service member, any civilian, you can't force them to wear something that's an experimental use authorized product. . Sasha Latypova: Mm-hmm. . Yeah, absolutely. And, and the masks are likewise categorized this countermeasures. And again you know, it's, it's completely misrepresented what it's for. Sasha Latypova: And you correct the, the, this whole covid thing isn't, was treated by the US government from the very beginning as an act of war because they the Covid policy was set by the National Security Council, and national Security Council doesn't have any health agencies. No, no health representatives on it. Sasha Latypova: It has primarily Department of Defense, joint chiso staff treasury and intelligence agencies. . [00:11:00] So the, and, and it's, and its, its purpose is to advise the president on foreign policy and things like, like wars, right? So, okay, so the government goes and treats it as an act of war, uses all these legal mechanisms as if it's a war. Sasha Latypova: And then they tell all of us, oh, it's, it's a virus, it's a health thing, it's a flu. You know, and don't even mention that it, it came from a lab. No, no, no. It's totally, totally natural. It jumped from. , you know, all this nonsense was going on for years to just scare people into compliance. And then they were lying and lying about treatments that were totally appropriate and available, and then they scared everyone into injecting themselves with this bio weapon type of a deal. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, can you go in depth into some of the things that I, you were on a multiple zoom meeting or maybe it was a Skype meeting? I don't know. With. Quite a few other people. I think it was the fifth doctor from Canada. And can you get into some of that research, cuz that is just mind blowing. [00:12:00] Sasha Latypova: Yeah. So, so we were discussing we were discussing the You know, we're discussing the DOD contracts and how this is this, this legal structure has been put in place over time. Sasha Latypova: So what happened in the us and this goes back many, many years, but at least, you know, we can trace it to specific acts of Congress. That my colleague Catherine Wa has documented. And specifically three key pieces that people need to be aware of. It's, it's the emergency use authorization that was put in place in 97, but it's has been amended many times and so emergency use authorization just allows the FDA to. Sasha Latypova: To issue a not, it's not an approval, it's like authorization. So basically it's a, it's an okay to go on market with a product that hasn't been sufficiently tested yet. And, and initially when it was put in place, they were justifying it as, oh, just for desperate situations, terminal cancer. , you know, things for [00:13:00] which there are and, and one of the key, there are four conditions that need to exist for it. Sasha Latypova: One of the most critical ones is that there are no alternative treatments. . And if there are no alternative treatments and something really desperate and terminal, the FDA can say, okay, you can use it under emergency use, but it's also very limited. So it's limited to specifically defined condition, application, no treatment, and then only for one year. Sasha Latypova: You have to actually like renew it every year, and ultimately you can't forever renew it. You have to eventually test your. . So but that was put in place in 97. Then, then they put this. They started using these, these other transaction authority contracts like that was put in place in the sixties actually, but it was only given authority to NASA to do these contracts, and eventually it, it, you know, creeped up and expanded. Sasha Latypova: And by now all, you know, I think 11 agencies use it. Do o d is a particular user of it. Probably the majority of the OT is through d o D [00:14:00] and OTA is, it's another carve out. It's, it's a, is just a way to contract without following any nor normal federal. Procurement rules and regulations, and it's not subject to oversight. Sasha Latypova: And you can hide a lot of information in it. And you can shield IP through it. And you also can order, so a department of defense can order things from regulated industry such as pharma without following any regulations and exempting them from following any regulations. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so that, So let's, let's have an, let me give an example and tell me if this is correct. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let's say I'm the d o d and I have this little widget that's a medical widget and I have no idea if it's safe or not. I can use this, this way to make a contract to have xyz, x, y, Z pharmacy produce this widget so that I can give it to my service members. Whether it's safe or not, doesn't matter because it's, it's mine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm just procuring their manufacturing facilities to. Sasha Latypova: Yeah. [00:15:00] That that can happen and that they have been doing it, and actually they use it this OTA procurement method for making weapons, like proper weapons. So a lot of the defense contractors are contracted through this methodology and they produce regular weapons. Sasha Latypova: Okay. But then, then they also started expanding this into the medical things, and it's true. And so they, they can order whatever they want. Following any regulations now in the medical field, that's obviously very dangerous. And and, and now they went even further and started mandating it. So as, as you know, there was a big scandal in the anx era. Sasha Latypova: So when about 200,000 service members were injured by these injections, which were completely developed even before. So the anthrax vaccine, Was approved, so-called approved before F d A had a regulatory mandate to regulate vaccines. So it was approved in 1970, [00:16:00] but f FDA started regulating vaccines in 1972. Sasha Latypova: and so it was never actually approved. And then, you know, in the Gulf War they, so, so, yeah, so they started, so they, they had this at, at the time they were called BioPort, and now it's called Emergent Bio Solutions. This, this very shady company that never followed any rules ever you know, very favorite department of Defense contractor making those and Exclu exclusively making those answer x Conco. Sasha Latypova: And they were making it and they were they kept relabeling so like the expiration date would pass and they would just test a bunch of vials, not, not do any proper testing and relabel it. Relabel it. So they were relabeling it for so long that, you know, I was talking to Merrill Nas, who has a lot of experience in it. Sasha Latypova: She was saying, well, the, the caps were disintegrating into the vials and they were still past. And relabel for the next, you know, decade or so, shelf life Dr. Sam Sigoloff: at this point, you gotta have the labels building up so much that they're like making the vial larger. [00:17:00] Sasha Latypova: Probably, yeah. So it, she said they were horrific, they were extremely dirty, and they would just, you know, pass it on and, and then keep it in the stock. Sasha Latypova: And then eventually in the Gulf War, remember they started deploying it and they started using it on, on service members, and they started mandating it while it was still considered e u a for that application. And that was a huge scandal. And there was a, you know, a court case and it was a decision that you cannot mandate, E U. Sasha Latypova: Products on service members. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It was actually, it was Doe v Rumsfeld and Doe lives, DOE lives just down the street from me. And I was able to sit with him and talk with him. And that, that lawyer that won that case, Dale Soran, I, he was the first lawyer that I ever talked to that ever answered the phone picked up and I wrote an affidavit for him. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I can't talk about the affidavit cuz I'm active duty, but I can talk about my medical exemption that I was giving to service members, which is the same. Just, it was blossomed a little bit more, but I talk about the lipid nanoparticle and how it, it's not validated for human use per the safety data [00:18:00] sheet from the manufacturer, but here we are injecting it into humans. Sasha Latypova: Well, that they would do, they were doing the same with this ANTA stuff. And they're doing, they're running essentially the same script, except now they're forcing it on all people. Civilians as well, right? And pregnant women children and you know, but they're using the same tactics that they were using before with, with this anx stuff. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, the nanoparticle and a lot of ingredients, but particularly lipids in these injections are. Pharmaceutical grade, they're not for human use. They have never been tested for human use. And you know, there's a lot of components of this, of this product that are completely unvalidated and untested, and yet they're forcing it on everybody. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing about the, the word force is this is something I'm pretty particular about. I like to use the word coerce because I, I feel that people work coerced, no one's been grabbed and pinned down just yet. Well, Sasha Latypova: I know pinned down or gone to the head. No, but I, you know, I, I kind of [00:19:00] use force as broader in broader sense. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, no, it, it. So it's, I'm using the most strict sense, but, but you're right. People have been coerced and then, you know, they've been said, well, you're not gonna get, they've been told you're not gonna get your job and you're gonna lose all your money. And so in a way it is forced. But I, I try to make those distinctions so that people can think, well, I made the choice, you know, and they don't have to continue making that choice to get more of them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In fact, they should make the choice to never get any more bio weapons put into their body. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, absolutely. And people should, people should stop. In fact, I, on, you know, while I say the government is forcing people or coercing people, I, you know, my personal experience and maybe my selection of friends is not representative of, of everybody on the planet. Sasha Latypova: But you know, I, I found that nobody was even coerced. , they, they obeyed some fear of something that they had in their head, which never materialized. And in [00:20:00] fact, those few who didn't, and they were even in the low level jobs in healthcare, they didn't, and there were no, the, the, the, the threats never materialized. Sasha Latypova: You know, so, so a lot of this coercion is also bluff. , you know, they know that they don't have any legal standing, legal ground to actually mandate these things, yet they do, and they bluff people into submission. So that's, that's what in reality, it is for the most part. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And peer pressure, I mean. Mm-hmm. , I'm sure in countries where people have, who have last names like you and like me, where they come from, there's been times where it wasn't even the government, it was their, their neighbors who. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Force them, coerce them, make them feel bad. Peer pressure, right? I mean just, and that, that in itself, like I went to the gym the other day and there was this lady there. She's like, well, I don't wanna lose my job cuz you're not wearing a mask. It's like, well you're not the police ma'am. I'm the one who's gonna get in trouble. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They have ma mask mandate where you are. [00:21:00] wait, because there was a alleged rise in Covid cases at my fort, and so it ended today, like the day we're recording, this is the day that it ended, but I never wore it because it's an e u a product. And so I don't care if you're the president of the United States, you can't order me to, to wear, to use, to participate in any experiments. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, I I did the same. I never wore them. I mean, we, we, there was, there were mandates here, but like a year ago. Yeah, and I, I, I never did. I was just, you know, I, I let people know what exactly I thought about it, but , Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I wish I had that boldness back then because I wore it for about two years. And it reminds me of Jordan Peterson, how he says, you know, , we must, we must not lie. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he says that like the Soviet Union was based on lies. People were in their homes and you had to be happy cuz someone had a gun to your head. And if you weren't happy, then that wasn't then you're saying that the government wasn't designed properly? Well, the government was designed by these elites who said [00:22:00] it's designed properly. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So either you lie and say you're happy and things are good, or they put a gun to your head and take you off to some gulag and you never are seen again. So you lie. And when you have a whole country based on lies like that, it comes crashing. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, but they're, they're installing it here now. The same system. Sasha Latypova: That's what they wanna do. You know, like you, you will own nothing, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so I refuse to lie about the mask. I'm not gonna wear it because for me to wear it, . It's, it's Sasha Latypova: very, very important not to lie. Even, you know, what you'd think is a small thing, like a mask. Like, they'll say, well, why, why are you making such a big deal out of it? Sasha Latypova: You know, you just being an inconvenient and, and drama queen, right? No, no. It's very, very important. You start, you start by not lying at all. and if you start, you start conceding to these kinds of things, then, then it, it, it be, it becomes, that's how they push you into this paradigm where everything is a lie and you are agreeing with all of it, you [00:23:00] know? Sasha Latypova: So, and, and that's how you, you can see these people, they've been so brainwashed and terrorized. That you know, that, that they, they can't, you know, they know. So eventually it becomes like, you can't dissociate so, so much anymore. You can't have these two realities. So you, so they really just become victims of psychological torture, essentially these people and, and, and, and you don't wanna end up there. Sasha Latypova: It's a really bad place. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One, one thing that I've noticed, I used to listen to this rabbi quite a bit, and one thing he said is, He, he would say that the, the food laws around the Jewish people, so the kosher laws that they have was not for medical reasons. I mean there, there's some medical benefits to it, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it wasn't for that. It was to set them apart and to get them good at saying no. And he called it a no muscle. And when you exercise that no muscle, it gets easier to say no, it doesn't get harder. It gets easier. Like for me, when someone says, Hey, you want this vaccine, it's even easier for me to. [00:24:00] No thank you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I've been doing it for two, three years. I'll continue not taking those. And so as you do it more, as you not lie more and tell the truth more, and how do you know what the truth is? Well, it's a thing that doesn't make you feel weak when you do it. When you wear a mask, do you feel stronger? Do you feel weaker? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I feel weaker, so I don't do, it's a lot. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, no, I, I, I agree with that. Yeah. I didn't understand the food laws. before this crisis and the religious, you know, food, food laws or, or some, some religious groups, I guess you know, they refuse medical treatment or refuse blood transfusion, which I do now because everybody, you know, they can separate the vaccinated blood, but that becomes more clear in these types of crisis. Sasha Latypova: In fact, the, the Daniel story is, is about that too. Like he refused the food from Pharaoh, right. Because it wasn't pure food. And so that that's what it needs to, it's, it's, it starts, it's everything. Like your, your men mental, you know, you, you need to be mentally pure [00:25:00] because you are telling the truth to the best of your knowledge. Sasha Latypova: And then that also translates to the whole body, right? And so the food rules, while some people say, well, that's just excessive, and, you know, I illogical, it does have a lot of. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Can we go back into some of those contracts that you found in things ? Sasha Latypova: Sure. Yeah. So we yeah. So where, where was it? So, so, right, so we were talking about the emergency use authorization as one piece and o t a contracting, which allows you to bypass all the regulations and the fact that these things are classified as counter. Sasha Latypova: So other transaction authority is the contracting that d o D uses a lot for regular weapons, for bio weapons, for medical. So these medical countermeasures, because all of it allows them to bypass the rules and regulations. And in fact, they define them very, very vaguely. There's a set of law that says something about these countermeasures and I read [00:26:00] it and it makes absolutely no sense. Sasha Latypova: It's just, A bunch of words that translates to staff, the Department of Defense. . Okay. And and within this stuff, you can hide the weapons because that's most of the time what Department of Defense needs. And you know, so they, they order them through these OTAs. They order them through, they're a bunch of consortia of defense. Sasha Latypova: They're managed by Advanced Technologies International. It's their manager. That passes through trillions of dollars into making everything from, you know, machine guns, helicopters the navy carriers, the, the, you know, everything. And now they also manage two sort of health related things. And it looks a lot of like a bioweapons factories, frankly, you know, just contracting a with a bunch of private industry to deliver whatever they need. Sasha Latypova: And then the third piece is, of course, they needed. They needed the public health emergency. So public health emergency puts the country into essentially state, state of war. So the way the, the, the laws that they invoked Stafford Act, [00:27:00] which was never been used before they and the National Security Council in, in charge of it. Sasha Latypova: So that put us under the state of war. Under the state of war, when they use the emergency use authorized countermeasures, those cannot be clinical investigations. . So it's not possible to do a clinical investigation on a countermeasure used as emergency use during public health emergency. So that that's the critical component. Sasha Latypova: That's how this whole legal cage clicks into place. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what you're saying is we think we're in phase three trials. There is no trial. We're just rolling. . Sasha Latypova: Exactly. So there there's no trial. Because no trial is possible for these, for these countermeasures as emergency use under public health emergency. Sasha Latypova: It's not possible to do a clinical trial, legally not possible. So when D O D ordered these countermeasures [00:28:00] from private industry, it was very curious ways so that there are hundreds of contracts that available. I read some of them, I read for Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca. A few others. They're very similar. Sasha Latypova: They, they give them huge amounts of money. Well, Pfizer was for 10 billion. And they, these contracts say the scope of work for this 10 billion is large scale manufacturing demonstration. Prototype countermeasure. So what I just said is you just give me a demo of a prototype for 10 billion bucks. Sasha Latypova: It just needs to be a lot of it. Okay. That's the scope of work. Now, what's explicitly is carved out of that pro contract. And in fact, it says, so there, there's a clause that says these 10 billion, we're not, we're specifically not paying for clinical trials, r and d the good manufacturing practice, compliance, all those regulated items, so we're not paying for. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Can you say that one more? They're [00:29:00] not paying for r and d. They're not paying for trials. They're not paying for good lab quality. I'm sorry. Say that. Yeah. Sasha Latypova: Yeah. So a good manufacturing pro, a good manufacturing practice compliance, they're not paying for that. So that there's explicit statement in the contract that says that the 10 billion is only for demo and not for those things. Sasha Latypova: Those things. The contract says the manufacturer will do by the. . Okay, well then they're not obligated to, cuz the contract, you know, the, you have to read contracts in a legal sense, right? So if you have money paid for X, but not for y because y is gonna be a voluntary activity, well then y can be disregarded completely. Sasha Latypova: Okay? So the, the, the, the, that's, that's how the contracts are written. And in fact, You know, Pfizer, when they ahead with f d a into this sort of pretend activity that they're doing the r and d and they're doing the good manufacturing practice compliance, but by law they're not [00:30:00] obligated to, and by contract, they're not obligated to. Sasha Latypova: and also the contracts give them complete protection from liabilities through the Prep Act. And there's also a clause in each contract that says so, and it says that for the, you know, purposes of this exercise, they include everyone along the supply chain. So not just the manufacturer, but all of their suppliers, all of their contractors, all of the people who deliver this thing the, the vaccinators at the pharmacies or hospitals or fire departments, wherever they are. Sasha Latypova: everyone is treated as an H H S employee or government employee for the purposes of this exercise, regardless of where they work, and they're provided full liability protection. So just to summarize, r and d was not ordered by the contract. R and d is not possible legally for these things, and everybody has complete liability protection. Sasha Latypova: So that's like belt and suspenders. They have complete, complete protect.[00:31:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: that seems like, that's so horrible. Like l like, let me give the example of the, the Nazis during World War ii, right? They, they did these heinous, heinous crimes against, against, you know, the gays and the gypsies and the Jews in these concentration camps, heinous crimes. Now, it was probably legal for them to do it because they just make the laws whatever they want, because that's what they can do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That doesn't seem mis dissimilar here, but they were eventually tried. Those doctors were tried and they were hung. Now I'm not calling for any vigilant justice. I wanna make that abundantly clear, cuz I know the CIA agents are listening. I know lots of people are listening to this. Not calling for any vi vigilant justice, I'm calling for actual justice in the courtroom. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it seems like they're trying to make it to where we think we have. We will never get justice because there's all these, these legal things, but when. When it's war, you're under a different law set, aren't you? And And if you can't answer that cuz you're not a lawyer, then that's okay. [00:32:00] Sasha Latypova: Well, yeah, so the, it doesn't even have to be, you know, treated as a, well, it is a war crime, but it's a crime. Sasha Latypova: So we have criminal justice. So under criminal statutes, they're not absolved. This is, this is, all of this is just for the civil liability and but the criminal criminally they can be held accountable. And so that's what, that's the pathway that everybody, Consider especially at the state level the state level, AGS can bring charges. Sasha Latypova: The, the prosecutors, state level prosecutors can do that. Even local judges and prosecutors can do it because this is criminal what they're doing, and they should be prosecuted as criminals. Whatever they've written into these pseudo laws. I mean, they're pseudo laws because they, they are on paper legal, but it's not lawful and it's unconstitutional. Sasha Latypova: So that needs to, as soon as somebody makes progress on the criminal aspect of it, all of this will collapse and start unraveling. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and I don't wanna see any civil action against this. I don't want to see fines paid. I want to [00:33:00] see criminal justice because these people have committed crimes against humanity. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I wanna personally offer my services if I can help in any way, any state ag, any state governor . I've got an affidavit that I've already written that is very good about the lipid nano particles and how they're not authorized for human use. They're not even authorized for veterinary use in here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're in the Pfizer, they're also in the Moderna. I can edit it to change, change it that way, but we need to see criminal charges pressed against these people because they're, they're criminals. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sorry. That's one of those things that really gets me going because it's like they, they make you think that you can't, you have no legal avenues cuz maybe you have no. Legal action, but you have criminal action because these are crimes. Sasha Latypova: They're, they, they definitely, you know, a lot of pre-planning went into designing these, you know, pseudo legal structures that protect them, but they ultimately won't protect them. Sasha Latypova: Just you. Correct. Like, just as the, you know, the Nazi [00:34:00] government made all of these things legal that they were doing, but they didn't protect them. It fell, and this will fall too. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Amen. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Another distraction. Sorry about that. Let's, is there, is there more that you can share with us? Sasha Latypova: Oh yeah. Another, another important thing was that criteria, so how this, this gets deployed is once the public health emergency is announced, then. The decision to deploy these countermeasures is under sole authority of the h h s secretary. Sasha Latypova: So under Trump, that was Alex Aer, and now it's Javier er, I don't know how to pronounce his name. And so he becomes like a dictator basically. So he holds the most power in the US government. . And and again, this is by design because always the criminal organization wants to hide who is really making decisions and, and who's in charge. Sasha Latypova: So he's the one [00:35:00] who decides to deploy these countermeasures on everybody. And the only criteria for his decision is because he thinks in his sole capacity that they may be effective. They don't have to be safe. There's no, no scientific data needs to be available. That's why, as I said, you know, all these clinical trials, our performance art, they never, they never factored into any decisions. Sasha Latypova: And he can continue thinking this, that they may be effective forever in perpetuity. There's no stopping criteria as long as the public health emergency is extended, which I think HHS extends by themselves. It's not even the presidential order necessarily. It's. There there's a distinction between public health, emergency and national emergency. Sasha Latypova: And so the, that's what, you know, h h s themselves decides when to declare it. And they themselves, there's nobody and there's no congressional review, there's no judicial review. So they neutered both congress and judicial branch from all of this. So [00:36:00] HS can keep running the ski forever. And never have to consider any data to. Sasha Latypova: And so that's, that's yet another example of completely non unconstitutional. So like, you know, you can't have just the executive branch in just one agency, in the executive branch running some sort of you know, bioterrorism operation in the United States. And nobody can stop at neither, you know, congress or, or judicial branch. Sasha Latypova: And that's why that's why I'm saying that, you know, if we start the criminal prosecutions with honest judges and honest prosecutors, this will fall because it completely cannot withstand any, you know, legal scrutiny. And you know, so that's, that's how they run in and that, that explains why they're extending this public health emergency beyond any reason. Sasha Latypova: There is no emergency. They just needed for legal cover to continue running the. wait. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and that reason right there is they also need our compliance to keep doing these things. And that's why it's so important to not wear a mask, because it doesn't do anything for you. It's under ewe. It's an experiment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's it's [00:37:00] experimental use, authorized, and it does nothing, but it gives them more power. Not only are you lying and becoming more weak, but it gives them more power because you're listening and doing what they say, not what you know. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they, they train people in compliance and obedience and so that they can cram more and more ridiculous requirements and eventually, you know, drive them all into a cage. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's like that was it, the Milner experiment, I think he found only 20% would disobey. That means 80% shocked people until almost, almost death. And some of them passed death. What they thought was death of the. . Sasha Latypova: Yeah. So that's, that's unfortunately what's going on here. But, but yeah, we, we need to start you know, more and more people are rejecting these, these shots and the, the usage rate is very, very low now in the us. Sasha Latypova: So frankly, very few people are continuing these injections, which is great news. But now we need to start [00:38:00] unravel in this and bringing, bringing all those responsible to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I'm gonna plug for a book by Daniel Horowitz real quick and Steve Dace. It's called Rise of the Fourth Reich, and I'm gonna encourage the listeners to go out and get it, not only Cuz it's, it's a gonna be a great book, but there's a whole chapter in there where they call me to the stand to testify at this der berg, this Mock Nurnberg 2.0. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and you can hear my testimony mostly taken. The the radio show I did with Daniel Horowitz, who was all the information from that, he wrote it and he, he put it in this book and told me he's gonna do that, but I encourage you to go get that. It's coming out in less than six weeks now. But this is what we need to see. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We don't just need to see books about it. We need to see the actual thing. And if there's anybody in charge of Nuremberg 2.0, I will volunteer to come wherever I need to go because, or to show up digitally because this is what we need. We need justice to be able to move on. We can't just go, okay, well let's give amnesty to everybody who committed crimes against humanity against our children who have destroyed an entire generation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We can't just go, okay, well let's give you [00:39:00] amnesty now to my neighbor who doesn't know any better. But to the people in charge, they need to seek, they, they need to have justice in the courtroom. Sasha Latypova: Yeah, absolutely. I don't agree with that. So that's, that's basically, you know, what I had thank you for my material. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Thank you so much for coming. Saha there. Any questions? Where can people find more? Sasha Latypova: I now write on ck I have a, I have a channel where I did a bunch of, you know, since about a year and a half ago I did a bunch of video presentations. It's called team Enigma and that has all my material kind of in the video format. Sasha Latypova: And then I started writing and updating this in a written form on CK and you can just search my name or it's called Due Diligence and. So yeah, you can find me there Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and I'll put a link down below in the show description for, for the listeners to, to find that easier. Thank you so much for coming on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is, this has been great. This has been [00:40:00] eye-opening and I'm so glad that there are people that are willing to stand up and do the right thing and, and speak about it because it's hard to talk, but it gets easier the more you do it. Mm-hmm. . Sasha Latypova: Exactly. , exactly. More profess. Just, yeah, I, I mean, it's been my, my profession to communicate with, with other professionals, but now I'm like, okay, well, I also need to explain to the, you know, more regular people, these technical things that are, that. Sasha Latypova: You know, I, and I think people find it helpful because the d and c d C, they're pulling so much bullshit that it's very hard to discern. And so I'm just trying to, to help on that on, on that. Yeah. You know, on that front. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. No, and, and I encourage the listeners to, to strengthen that muscle of speaking and telling the truth also. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because the more you do it, the better you get. I just wanna thank you again so much for coming on, and I appreciate everything that you're doing and if there's any way that I can help you. I don't know if there is, but if there is, I'm, I'm here [00:41:00] to help and happy to help. Sasha Latypova: Well, thank you. Now, I hope that your listeners get value from this and, you know, they can also find out more on, on my and my channels and, yeah. Sasha Latypova: Thank you so much for inviting me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

Is it ‘just a glitch’ in the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database or is it a conspiracy to commit fraud… or worse…is it treason?! Today I talk with Mathew Crawford (https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/) and he tells us what he has discovered. This was originally recorded on 3JUN2022 but due to many issues (mostly technical) I am now pleased to present this to you. Next week we will hear from Sasha Latypova and how the totality of the “COVID-19” issue is all a DOD run operation or bioweapon operation on the entire world. As always please like, share and subscribe. I now have a Patreon account (see link below). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. 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The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time. Of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, today I have the great pleasure of introducing Matthew Crawford. Now Matthew Crawford, he's got a very diverse background. He's done a lot of things in his life. Whether it be making money in the stock market, which takes a lot of being able to analyze patterns is probably the most important skill that you're bringing to the table with what we're gonna be talking about today. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Begin diving into what you wanna discuss today, Matthew. Mathew Crawford: Thanks Sam. Yeah, I am I, I took a little time off from being a numbers guy. I was doing some cryptocurrency trading and building an education company. Those are those have been my two [00:01:00] vocational pursuits during my adult life. Mathew Crawford: And during the pandemic I saw a lot that was going on. So I dropped everything and started doing research, but this is maybe the most serious project. Dr. Robert Malone called me in February and said, Hey, can you take a look at the defense medical epidemiological database information to see, you know, what this argument between you know, three of you whistleblowers from the Senator Johnson hearing and the dod, which came back and said, well, there's a glitch. Mathew Crawford: There's nothing to see here. It's all fine. So So I jumped in and, and started taking a look at the data and we'll, we'll talk about what we've found. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay, so I'll pull up the slide. I'll have it here available for everyone else to see. But let's go ahead and go through this what you call slide 26. Mathew Crawford: Okay. So this is the easiest slide to sort of see what happened. The, it turns out, and, and we didn't know this when we started the project when I say we I had two, two others on my [00:02:00] data team that I brought in. Mathew Crawford: We didn't know what we were looking for. Yeah. I started analyzing queries, but we wanted reference data. We wanted to know what do rates of illness really look like historically. So we looked for reference data and what we found is that the DMed has published snapshots that are publicly available online every year, and these are found in what's called the medical surveillance monthly reports. Mathew Crawford: At health.mil, and we found these and we started you know, putting all the data in spreadsheets. And at first we weren't even looking at, at page two at first, that's where these graphs are from. We just noticed, you know, that once we had all the information in, in spreadsheets, that some numbers didn't match up. Mathew Crawford: And once, once somebody on my data team pointed out that some numbers that should have matched up, like the published 2016 numbers were published in 2019. They were published in 2021. They should look pretty much the same, but they didn't look anything alike. So I went through every single major diagnostic [00:03:00] category I could see, oh gosh, you know, these are all different. Mathew Crawford: And not only are they all different, they're different for 2016 through 2019 is what it looks like. And then historically that that difference had never had never taken place. Like going from one snapshot to another, the numbers pretty much always look the same. and anytime you would have a change in a database, you would have some sort of documentation anyway. Mathew Crawford: You would have an asterisk and an explanation. But for a substantial change like this, you would have, you know, an entire article, you know, a full, complete explanation as to how to read the difference between new and old data so that a researcher using the database would understand what took place and how to make sense of the numbers. Mathew Crawford: Right. So we can see here in this slide you, you can just see visually the, the health trend, the number of illnesses, injuries was going down from like 2012 through 2018. But then you look over at the second snapshot, the one that appeared in the middle of 2021, and all of a sudden, boo, those numbers are bumped [00:04:00] up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what you're saying here, so what you're saying here is this this little box that's around on your graph, it's on the main 2019, the ms. R msm r That box was data that was published probably in 2020 or 2019. It was data that they had compiled over the previous years, and the boxed area is the 2016 to 2018, and then in the graph right next to it, the May 2021. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Those numbers should be exactly the same as that graph is showing the exact same time and space. Is that correct? Mathew Crawford: That's right. Those numbers should be the same, and you can see that they're substantially elevated from the position that they were in in previous publications. and this, this is a, it should just be a database snapshot. Mathew Crawford: What it tells us is I think sometime right around the middle of 2021, but before this was published, and I think that like the May, 2021, it wasn't published exactly in May. [00:05:00] There's like a little bit of a lag on the months, I think, to reporting to at least online. So maybe this was by July, but it could have been, you know, this could have been changed anywhere from April to July. Mathew Crawford: I think that somebody went into the database and just added a whole bunch of records. Mathew Crawford: And the question is why? And I think that that unfortunately Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this is not the glitch that they, that they did the, was it the political on email interview where they had the back and forth exchange? They made no major political or major, yeah, no political fact. They made no major policy statement or apology or press conference. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is not that, this is something different. This was done on the cover of night, is that what you're saying? Mathew Crawford: That's right. This was done long before. I think that an enormous amount of the information in the entire database was faked, is what I think. You know, a snapshot like the, a change in a snapshot like this should be explained. Mathew Crawford: You know, there should be some [00:06:00] publicly given explanation regardless of any controversy or anything. You know, I worked for two years as an actuary before I went and worked in finance. And if, if there were a. A major database that everybody drew numbers from, like everybody in the industry were drawing numbers from. Mathew Crawford: And there were some giant change that was like 13.5% per diagnostic category. You bet there would be a several dozen page article walking you through why the changes occurred and how to understand them. There is nothing like that. These numbers just bumped up. So I think that my, my strong belief is that it was, it was understood that these numbers were growing, that they were gonna show that the vaccines were hurting the troops very quickly. Mathew Crawford: And that somebody decided, okay, we're just gonna change these numbers in order to alter the denominator in any comparison. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So this would make comparing any baseline. So the baseline is, is so [00:07:00] we've gone from showing that normal level of illness is here and, and now we're going to raise it. And say this is normal. So that when, when we see it go up to, to this, oh, it's only this little difference when really it could be from here all the way up to there, cuz we've changed the denominator, changed the baseline. Mathew Crawford: Right. And the key is that the DOD is part of the vaccine safety, technical workforce. That, that the CDC runs or work group, excuse me. The vast work group, the dod is part of that. And interestingly, the CDC was not publishing the DMed numbers. They weren't publishing the information from this database throughout 2021. Mathew Crawford: And what I think is that the numbers were coming in very bad. We need to FOIA to find that out. But I think the numbers were coming in very bad. They, they decided to bump up the denominator to make it look not bad. And then they get to the middle of 21 21, they've, they've published [00:08:00] the new numbers with the fake database. Mathew Crawford: I'm just gonna call it a fake database from here. Part of the numbers are fake. I think the rest of it's real, right? But then I think that they had a server migration in August in order to wipe the fingerprints August of 2021 after this May, 2021, Ms. M r report. So now, now they have a server migration. Mathew Crawford: This also allows them to re-index the database. And here's what I mean by that. Let's say that you're adding a bunch of, yeah. Let's say you're adding a bunch of records to a database. Well, you're adding them at the end automatically. Just by, by the way, the database works functionally. So they're adding 2016 through 2020 records at the end. Mathew Crawford: It would be very easy to see in an audit that those were added. But by having a server migration, they get to re-index the, the numbers and all the fake ones get shuffled in to make it harder to detect what were the fake records. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let me. [00:09:00] Let me see if I can explain that to, to the listeners. If you have a book, right, and you have, let's say page one is the 2016 numbers, and then page two is the 2017 numbers. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But you need to change a and and the computer doesn't just look at the book, it look at looks at everything. So when, when you pull up the data, so what you're saying is it added in pages at the end of the book that that altered the 2016 numbers. And then what could have happened is when they migrated, we take those pages at the end, we stick 'em back in where they should in the new supposed chronological order and put them in where they maybe should be or shouldn't be if they're not real numbers near 2016, so that it looks like it's a normal book and you don't have these files or these pages added to the end that are supposed to go 2016 when they were clearly added much, much later than 20 16, 20 17. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that, is that a good explanation? Mathew Crawford: That's right. [00:10:00] And I think that in that process, I do think that there was a glitch introduced. I do think that the, the DODs claim of a glitch was real. And you know, when, when you think about the art of deception if you could just see without lying, that's always best. Mathew Crawford: Right? I do think that that somehow some of the records were not connecting you know, maybe there's some sort of like a, a check box, you know, include this record and queries include this record and queries. Maybe some of the boxes were accidentally left unchecked, and, and so when the queries were run in January, I, I believe that there was, and it might, it might have even been intentional. Mathew Crawford: It might have even been a trap. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But, but the idea, the preface there is a glitch. That entire idea is, is faulty because it's a glitch in a faulty system is what you're presenting. Mathew Crawford: It's a glitch in a fake database. You got it. Right. They created a lot of confusion I think too. So what Dr. Sam Sigoloff: we brought out. Yeah. And so, so what the three of us [00:11:00] brought forth is there's a problem and I think it would clear to see like a thousand percent increase in a disease. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz because us as physicians, we were seeing a huge issue in ill people, right? We're seeing more illness, we're seeing more problems in which should be a young, healthy population. Mathew Crawford: We shouldn't see these problems at all. And it matches information from out in the world, from insurance companies and from other governments. Mathew Crawford: Yeah. So you were looking for, you were looking for data to support what you could see. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. And we found data that. The numbers weren't, they seemed a little, little wild. I mean, to, to me, cuz I, I don't have this, this deeper knowledge that you were, and it took you a good long while, many, many, many, many hours to figure all this out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, I don't have that kind of deep knowledge and understanding of this. It just, on the surface level, something is wrong and it needs to be brought to attention quickly before we hurt more people. That's that's my perspective as, you know, not speaking for all whistleblowers, but [00:12:00] that, that's my perspective. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then we are blessed to have someone like you who, who has this ability to kind of connect these different dots and understand how computer systems work and, and the idea to look back in history for pre-published data that can't be changed. I think that that's an important piece of this and keystone to this entire. Mathew Crawford: Right. And, and it was very fortunate for us that the, that the past data was available in a public format. If, if it hadn't been, this would've been a real tough puzzle to solve. And you know, and if this is, if this does turn out to be a crime, which, you know, I feel 99% certain that it is they would've gotten away with it without, you know, the, the public snapshot. Mathew Crawford: So, you know, it, it, it, it will be a win for government transparency if this turns out to be the case. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing that I've always kind of said in phone call conversations with people is that this information can always be proven. [00:13:00] It would be an absolute bear to try and go through all this information because all of these little points, there's this line and, and everything on it represents a real. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if we had the ability, and I don't know how this is possible to go through the medical record and re-pull all that data, you know, just get all that data again, from an independent person, not, not from the company that was hired to do this, cuz we're looking at PDFs that I think, I could be wrong in this, I think would be difficult to change PDFs if they're loaded into a system. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You may be able to speak to that otherwise. But if we can pull the actual data again, then we can confirm which would either exonerate the government or indict them. Mathew Crawford: Right? Some sort of a, a, a legal action needs to take place to force them to show what the database looked like. You know figure out where it was that the numbers changed, pinpoint it, see what the records those new records look. Mathew Crawford: We should find out if there are any memos that discuss changing the numbers in the database and what people are talking about when that takes [00:14:00] place. Because if there is any discussion, you know, in amongst the people handling the database or with the C d C if there's any discussion about hiding vaccine injury and illness and I think that we're gonna find that. Mathew Crawford: I think that if, if we get that information, I think it's gonna be clear. One of the reasons I think that too, is by the way are you showing that slide 26? Is that something that you want to bring up now? There, there's another, you know, really interesting point within the data and and that is that if, if you go to slide 30, yeah, I've got and this one's a little bit hard for people without, you know, easy data knowledge to read. Mathew Crawford: You kind of have to walk through and understand what the bars mean. But basically the gray bar. Represents the numbers as originally reported in the msm r. The red are the new reports, so you can see that the red numbers are bumped up, right 20 16, 20 18, and 2020. Numbers are higher. Well, 2020 didn't have a gray bar, but 2016 and 2018 numbers were bumped up, but the blue bars [00:15:00] represent the queries post glitch fix. Mathew Crawford: So this is what the queries look like as of February, 2022. And you can see that the blue bars match the red bars on the right, but they don't on the left, they're about 20 major diagnostic categories. They match for 19 of them. Why not the other one? And what is this other one? Well, this one category where the current queries do not match the last database snapshot. Mathew Crawford: These are the R codes signs. Symptoms and Ill-defined conditions and inconclusive laboratory results. What does this tell you? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: These are where doctors didn't know, I would assume. Mathew Crawford: This is where doctors don't know the source, the ideology of the illness. They're confused by it, which, [00:16:00] you know, why would, yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if it's a smart doctor, he'll say he doesn't know . Yeah, yeah. Mathew Crawford: You know, it is one of the major diagnostic categories, so it, it happens frequently. Mathew Crawford: But what you can see is not only were the, were the numbers bumped up for the Ms m r, they were bumped up a second time dramatically. 46 point a half percent, nearly 50% somewhere between the, the mid 2021 snapshot and February of 2022, somebody added a tremendous number of records to the 2016 through 2020 data. Mathew Crawford: Changing, Mathew Crawford: changing that baseline again, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this, this graph that we're looking at right now, the signs, symptoms, and ill defining conditions. This is the one where the D O D claimed there was a glitch. Mathew Crawford: Is that correct? Oh, they claimed that was, there was a glitch over everything. The they didn't make a specific claim about the R codes. Mathew Crawford: The R codes just happened to be different insofar as the current query [00:17:00] numbers no longer match the last msm r a, you know, after they said they changed the glitch. This is why I think there was a glitch because the query numbers started to look exactly like the last database snapshot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, those red and, and gray bars are not too dissimilar, right? Mathew Crawford: But it's, and, and the blue are the queries. So the red and the blue now match. Like if, if you looked at slide 20, slide 29, you can see like six different diagnostic categories and the blue and the red match for each of them. Mathew Crawford: And that's what should happen. The current query should match the last database snapshot, but for one, just one of these diagnostic categories. And if we jump to slide 39 now, Mathew Crawford: yeah. Mathew Crawford: I've got three different sort of progressions in a graph. The gray are the originally published MSM r numbers for R codes. The red are the newly published, [00:18:00] the most reliable. Well, it, it. , just, let's just say originally published snapshot, snapshot of the database. And then the red, the closed triangles are the latest snapshot of the database. Mathew Crawford: And two of those triangles are imputed, but we've got three that are real data points. But then the blue are the current queries. Yeah, the, yeah. And the blue are the current queries. So you can see that they, they didn't just bump the numbers up once they bumped 'em up again and sculpted the graph, the graph to look more like a trend. Mathew Crawford: And I think that this, this is, this is necessary if like just floods and floods of R codes are coming in because perhaps vaccine injuries are not as easy for the doctors to understand. So, you know, how is it that you hide hundreds of thousands, maybe even, maybe even a million. This, that, that's what this looks like is perhaps over a million extra. Mathew Crawford: [00:19:00] Injuries and illnesses that are R codes, ambulatory reports. So it's not, it's not that many separate injuries and illnesses, but you know, if you have like 10 ambulatory reports for one illness, that 1 million could represent a hundred thousand vaccine Mathew Crawford: injuries. Mathew Crawford: And, you know, many of them may be mild, but there're gonna be a lot of serious ones in there. Mathew Crawford: A lot of the outside data, even though even the trial data said 0.7% to 0.8% serious adverse events, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: which seems ridiculously low even for the, the laypersons, like the sniff test, like that doesn't seem right. Smells like, smells like I just smelled, smelled a bunch of bad stuff. Mathew Crawford: Well you know, for, for that would be a very high number for any medication for serious adverse events unless it's like something dangerous like surgery. Mathew Crawford: You know, 0.7, 0.8 percent's pretty high for, you know, for a vaccine. That's unheard of. But you know, that, that [00:20:00] would be a number, like 10,000. So 10,000 serious injuries is what you'd expect just from the trial numbers in, in the ar in the military what we see, I, I think that we're seeing tens if not, you know, maybe even a hundred thousand injuries and illnesses. Mathew Crawford: Some of 'em may be mild, but it's a large number. And, you know, whoever was manipulating the database, I think was given just an order. Make this look normal, make this go away. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And could one person do that or would this take some sort of algorithm to help bump these numbers up and not make it look like, Hey, you know, bill went in there and changed everything. Sorry, bill, I didn't mean to throw you onto the bus Mathew Crawford: If you had one genius somebody good at, at math and and computing. Mathew Crawford: Technically one person could handle this entire job. They would, first of all, they would need to know. They would need to know that their job is to bump these numbers up, right? So now you're talking about like somebody with like, [00:21:00] you know let's, let's just say God-like knowledge of everything that's going on and what strings to pull in. Mathew Crawford: The puppet who's a genius on many levels with. Things not likely. This is, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: or the converse of that would be, the converse of that would be one person telling this, this very smart person that, Hey, you need to do this. And already that is potentially conspiracy to commit and in whatever crime. Mathew Crawford: Exactly. And this is why we need foia. Mathew Crawford: But I, I think that it is, we're gonna find that it's a number of people that it took a number of people to do this. And we're gonna find that that, you know, whoever decided that it needed to be done is somebody, it, it just has to be somebody very high in responsibility. In the CDC or, or the dod or both. Mathew Crawford: Right. Because. Here's the thing. These numbers are supposed to be used this whole time by the cdc. And when we think about it, they were never being published in early 2021. So far as I've found, and, and you know, I, I'm, I'm in a pool of researchers who have looked at, you know, [00:22:00] thousands and thousands of CDC documents, but we're pretty sure that they just weren't using the numbers. Mathew Crawford: But they were seeing them. But then when a glitch was introduced in August, so, you know, I, I do give, I do give credit to the Glitch story. I think there was a glitch introduced intentionally or otherwise. But here's the thing, you're gonna tell me that, that with Vast, with the Vaccine Safety Task Force, supposedly using those numbers that nobody noticed the glitch, you know, like, come on. Mathew Crawford: You know? Yeah, exactly. Like they just decided to stop looking at the technical information coming in. That was supposed to be the technical information to tell them if there was a safety signal. I don't believe it. , you know, it, it, it's an absurd story. It just is. So I think that there was a glitch, but it changed the data. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what you're presenting to us is one of two things. Either there was a glitch and in this fake system or, you know, [00:23:00] like that, that whole idea, or there's people just not looking at this database as they're employed to do so, and just ignoring all the information willfully being blind to all this information that's actually out there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right? Mathew Crawford: Yeah. One way or number, one way or another somebody did change the numbers somehow for some reason, but yes, the, the story of the glitch also requires that somebody was just either not looking at the numbers or willfully ignoring them. Mathew Crawford: I said yesterday actually, I said several times talking with people and, and I even said this on Twitter. I said, this is, this [00:24:00] is the greatest fraud in the history of the world and the greatest treason. , perhaps. You know, we, we need to know exactly what happened, but I, I believe that that is most likely the case. Mathew Crawford: Unfortunately, the gravity of the situation couldn't be higher. And, you know, I, I'm, you know, we're having a calm conversation here, but this is, this is where Alex Jones would be going, you know, and , because this is, this is something Dr. Sam Sigoloff: to, but in reality, this, so, so lemme kinda explain the gravity to, to the listener. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The viewer. If, and I've said this before in some other shows, but let's say I'm a, I'm a scout for a platoon and I'm climbing over the hill and I look and I see, oh, okay, I can see over the hill. My platoon can't see over the hill, so I'm supposed to be the eyes and the ears for this, for this war fighting unit. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I look down the hill and I see hundreds of thousands of enemy troops, you know, just their arm to the teeth. And they, they're ready to kill and destroy anything and everything that comes over. And, [00:25:00] and I'd say to my, my little platoon, and I'd say, Hey guys, yeah, it's good. You 50 guys, you'll be great. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Don't worry. You'll be fine. You'll take 'em out. And then they go over the hill and all of them get absolutely decimated and slaughtered and destroyed. What would you call that Scout? Aiden Abetting. The enemy treasonous. They saw, it's not like they didn't see, they did see, they said that there was nothing there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They lied. That is the potential of what's going on here because if you take out the, you poke the eyes out of the medical community so that the rest of the medical community, the people that actually do take their oath seriously, they can't see these trends. Then you're aiding, abetting the enemy. You're potentially leading the entire force to their death because we can't see what those trends are to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's the entire point of the DMed data, is to see if there is a medical threat against the troops. So for someone not to have seen these trends, [00:26:00] Whether if all the information was exactly as we thought as whistleblowers or even the information that you're bringing forth and these significant changes that may make the entire database fake, if they didn't see that, then whose side are they working for? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What company are they working for? Because there's a company that contracts with the government, is that correct? Mathew Crawford: I believe it's eant. Is, is what I've been told runs the contract. Correct. I think that that company should be investigated. I think there should be a congressional investigation starting, you know, starting yesterday. Mathew Crawford: Yeah. And what you said, this is important, I should have said this earlier. The Defense medical surveillance system and defense medical epidemiological database, these go hand in hand. The difference is that the DMed is de-identified data. So, you know, it's easier to just let you know physicians like yourself or other researchers, query it. Mathew Crawford: This is used on a daily basis. Every day. The military at, at, at the top needs to know troop readiness. So there's no way, there's not somebody looking at the numbers. Maybe they usually look at just the, the current, you know, [00:27:00] 20, 21 numbers or as of last year, 2021 maybe they're, they're primarily looking at that and they're ignoring the 2016 through 2020. Mathew Crawford: But it is, it is hard to believe that there wasn't some signal that the numbers were going wrong. Though it may be that the 2016 through 2020, it may be that those five years were changed. There, there's a, there's a lot of logic to just changing those five years. Maybe you don't alert the people at the highest end of the military because they're only looking at day-to-day current numbers. Mathew Crawford: So maybe you don't alert them. Two, there was a changeover from 2015 to 2016 and I c d codes, which are the code, the medical billing codes. The system changed, so, Any, any comparison to 2015 and earlier could, somebody could say, well, it's not quite apples to apples. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. So quick little explanation on icd. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's ICD nine, which is the old way we used to diagnose if, if, let's say you have the flu, I say [00:28:00] you have the flu and it's, I'm just guessing here. It's M 35.2 i, I have no idea. Don't, don't look that up. That's not right. For an example, and then ICD 10 comes out and now it's, it's J 15. Again, I, I don't know off the top of my head what influenza is, but that's the idea of these ICD 10 codes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And there was a significant change in 2016 where we like changed our entire system and they were all different numbers and they added in new diagnosis and rooms, some old ones. And that is the change that happened in Mathew Crawford: 2016. Right. And so anybody looking for safety signals would just compare 2021 to 2016 through 2020 just so that they don't have to try to make any adjustments to the 2015 numbers. Mathew Crawford: So 2016 through 2020 makes sense. In a lot of ways it makes sense that they would, you know, sculpt the denominator, not enumerator to the numerators being looked at every day. And you would have to change those numbers every day as opposed to changing the 2016 through 2020 just one [00:29:00] time and, well, maybe a second time cuz the R codes did change a second time. Mathew Crawford: So I do think that that that sort of catches them extra. So we have like five or six different ways to look at this and all of them point to the same theory. , which is that someone changed these numbers for the purpose of hiding vaccine injury and illness. So yeah, that's the story. And, and you know, we, we need to get the word out because we need, you know, we need to be organizing the lawyers on our side. Mathew Crawford: We need to be organizing FOIAs. We need to be you. You know, I have talked to Senator Ron Johnson's people you know, we need to be contacting more. I've had people some of my readers, when I explained what was going on at my newsletter, I, I write a newsletter called Rounding the Earth. Mathew Crawford: Some of those people contacted there, members of Congress, though I think you know, we're, we're gonna have to have as many people as possible saying, yes, I have checked, I've looked at these numbers with my own eyes, and this story is real. You know, we can see the snapshots changed. That's irrefutable. Mathew Crawford: Therefore, it is time for an [00:30:00] investigation, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: which this could potentially go up to some of the highest levels in the military. In the dod, unfortunately, yes, . So this could be very uncomfortable for, for some very, very high, high leaders, cuz this kind of power to direct this kind of change. I mean, unless there's some rogue guy in there, I don't even think low level people even have access to this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'll tell you, in my experience, I never heard about the DMed database and I had been in the Army for eight years. I'm not a public health guy. I was talking to a, a guy who, who worked in public health, not a physician. Hopefully we'll get to hear from, from that man in a few episodes or so, or maybe we've already heard. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But he, he had never heard of that database. And he works with the people, the same type of people, like in the same office, maybe in a different branch or different arm of that group of people that actually used D DMed. Now luckily there was another doctor that I [00:31:00] knew who has a, a. A strong history in public health and, and was looking into that and was pulling that up. Mathew Crawford: Right. Yeah. And, and so, yeah, and this is, this is why you could have this done without a lot of people knowing. But you would definitely have to have the people running the database knowing you would definitely have to have I, I suppose it's possible, I suppose it, there's some inkling of possibility that nobody in the D OD knew, but it, it just seems very hard to believe. Mathew Crawford: It, it, you know, that would've required it, it would probably require some sort of mediation between the C d C and Unsent. But I, I, I, I have gr I have great doubts. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. If it was done by an outside company, let's say un, I'm not saying unison did this, I'm not saying, but if unison were to do it, it would seem like a good way to do it because they would be outside of the FOIA request, wouldn't they? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: As they're not an executive branch? Yeah. This, Mathew Crawford: and this is a major problem, like I is, it's actually stunning that [00:32:00] the DO d ever outsourced this, right? This is not a technology issue that needed to be handled outside of the military. There's, there are enough technologists in the military to run a database and I, I boggled my mind to find out that it would go outside. Mathew Crawford: So hopefully, hopefully that doesn't stop any of the fos. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This could be some of the most sensitive information that, that we have. So, Mathew Crawford: yeah. You would think that something like this would always be kept with the highest level of security because the idea of troop readiness is itself. A high, you know, a high level security mission. Mathew Crawford: So hopefully that does not cut out the ability to investigate the problem. One way or another, the, you know, if, if, if the Senate gets involved, you know, they should be able to get anybody's records from anywhere, hopefully. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The the example of the true readiness being a, a very sensitive issue. If, if the listener viewer thinks back to there was a ship, and I can't remember the name of the [00:33:00] ship, but there was a, I believe it was an aircraft carrier, and the, the captain of that carrier who's an oh six, was concerned that his troops were dying of covid and becoming very ill of covid and he couldn't go through the normal channels to get that information up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he felt that he was being ignored. And so he went public with that information. He was relieved of command because what he. Showed the world is that potentially that carrier and maybe even that carrier group was not combat effective. That is the level of, of this DMed data and why it is so sensitive and it should not be outsourced, in my opinion. Mathew Crawford: Yeah. So it, it's, it's layers on layers of problems. It's old problems coming home to roost, but then you know, did somebody, did somebody within the DD commit treason? Did somebody running this database? You know, was somebody getting a contract with the d o d [00:34:00] who was interested in harming the US troops? Mathew Crawford: So yeah, very scary proposition right there. Interestingly, you know, you brought up that carrier. I remember that story when it happened. When you look at the data and see, we could check one more of these slides. Slide 56, Mathew Crawford: that's one of the ones, there are several that show this, but You can see that 2020 was actually a healthy year for the military. And in fact, I went through years and years of these MSR reports, the snapshots of the database, and I couldn't find a year that was healthier than 2020. Yeah. And, and, and people might say, oh, it's because precautions were taken. Mathew Crawford: Right. But that argument would be to say that the risks that weren't taken were worth more than covid was, you know, pulling down the health of the troops. In other words when you sign up for the US military, you're accepting that level of risk already. And that covid was not, was not right. The [00:35:00] co covid was not elevating that level of risk higher than prior years. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. For, for the listener to understand a little bit more is that level of risk. Like people die in training all the time from accidents, from injuries, from jumping outta, outta planes. The typical injury rate of, of an airborne operation is about 10% casualty rate. That doesn't mean dead. That means broken leg, twisted ankle, something to that nature. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: 10%. That's an acceptable, very acceptable injury rate 10%. So if you got a hundred people, 10 will be outta the fight. And so Covid, this is showing us that covid was such a little risk that we quit doing all the dangerous things that we're paid to do to keep you safe. I don't, I don't mean just you Matthew, but anyone that can hear me say you, that's an American you to keep you safe. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We do dangerous things to keep you safe, and we lowered the overall injury and disease report so much. [00:36:00] Was it worth it? Is it worth the hit that the fighting force took just from these manmade restrictions put on us for a disease that may not well is likely not as bad as they say? It had a 99.9 8.6% survival rate, 99.86%, 99.867% survival rate. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so we quit doing all the things that made us, yeah, for military, that's for military only. That's, that's the military population. If you take how many became ill, how many died, and how many Mathew Crawford: recovered, and you know, what happened with covid cases as the vaccines were rolled out in the military, and this is why the, the DMed is so important of a databases because the military is such a uniform group. Mathew Crawford: Is that the, the cases of covid went up in 2021. , there were almost twice as numerous as in 2020. Granted 2020, it's not like the pandemic started on day one. Yeah, it [00:37:00] kind of really got going in March, April. But people say, oh, the, well, the, the vaccines are supposed to bring down the severity of illness. Mathew Crawford: This is where the DMed comes in. If you look at slide 47, Mathew Crawford: this is post glitch fix information, and now we don't even have to deal with 2016 through 2020. If we just look at the severity per case measured by hospitalization rate, you can see that throughout the vaccination program, basically hospitalizations per case of covid, were going up, up, up. They quadrupled through when? Mathew Crawford: July. Why is that important? What happened in August? Well, that was, the deadline for the mandates was was in August. . So they were pushing in July, you know, probably lots more people getting vaccinated June and July, but they started going up right at the beginning of the year, and you could see them, you know, basically just going up, up, up [00:38:00] until basically the vaccinations were over. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, as soon as they came out with the information of, Hey, we have a vaccine, here's the, the product information list, I began hearing commanders command, sergeant majors high, high level senior service members saying, yeah, it's not mandatory yet. Well, if, if I'm, let's say a private or a new lieutenant, and I hear it's not mandatory yet, well that's the assumption that it will be mandatory because what happens yet? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, something eventually happens if it hasn't happened yet. And so what that does is that's undue pressure. And so many people got this, not because there was a mandate, but because there was fear of a mandate coming and they didn't want to be the last one. Not jumping off the cliff, so to speak. . Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I told every single command sergeant, major and commander, I said, sir, ma'am, you probably shouldn't say yet, because we don't know if these will ever be mandated. And I think that is a lot of undue pressure that you're putting on people by saying the [00:39:00] word yet. Mathew Crawford: Right. It's also, it sounds like a Freudian slip as if they know that a mandate is coming. Mathew Crawford: I did Dr. Sam Sigoloff: not think of that, but yes, they know this unrelenting pressure to get people to get this experimental jab is coming. How would they know that? Mathew Crawford: Yeah, that's interesting. How many how many people you think you heard that from? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Every leader that I talked to, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: even physicians? Mathew Crawford: Well, at some point, you know, if you have a certain number of people, especially leadership, you have a certain number of people saying something, a certain. , you know, some people without information may start saying it that same way, right? Just, you know, just because it's, it's told them, you know, in a certain way. Mathew Crawford: So it, it may not mean foreknowledge by every single person, but that sounds like it came from the leadership. So that's interesting.[00:40:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing I, I counseled my soldiers that I would see, cuz I saw very few soldiers, but I tell them, you know, we keep hearing people say that it's not mandatory yet if you don't want to get this. Cuz I didn't say get it or don't get it. I said, if you don't want to get it, think about it. What's gonna happen if you don't get it? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Your name's red on some, you know, PowerPoint, Excel or some Excel list on a PowerPoint For some commander, how bad is. What, what do you have to suffer if you don't get this? Think about that. So far, there's some people that have been kicked out and, you know, I've, I've been suspended, but I haven't been put in jail. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No one's held me down and tried to force it in me, which would not work out well for anyone involved. Yeah, and you Mathew Crawford: know, what you just said about you know, commander's already leadership already saying yet that word yet, this is a reason why I do believe that FOIAs will find, you know, memos, emails, information, [00:41:00] discussing this within the dod because it sounds to me like there were people in leadership whose plan was to push this as hard as possible, and those would be people who would have an incentive to hide whether or not there was injury or illness. Mathew Crawford: Or if there were some sort of a, you know, larger known you know, set of knowns about the vaccination program and what was going on, then you would have people at that level who would know the safety information coming in. . So, yeah. Members of Congress, let's get on this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. This is all very shocking. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. This is very shocking. So call your congressman. Call your senators. Call call anyone that will listen to get this investigation started. Let's get the ball rolling. Especially if you have loved ones, a son, a daughter, a husband, a wife that's in the military. This is affecting them. If they got the shot, if they didn't get the shot, it doesn't matter at this point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What matters is, [00:42:00] are you gonna allow people to put something else into your body from here on out that you don't want? What if it's something you want? What if you, what if you do want a third, a fourth, a fifth, a sixth shot? Okay, great. What if it's something different? Are you still gonna want that? Are you gonna wanna be responsible for forcing others to do that? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: These are questions you need to ask yourself. Mathew Crawford: And it it with respect to the US military, if it's going to be forced on the US military we might ask just as you did, who's handling the database? Who's handling the creation of the vaccines? Are those people trustworthy to decide? For US troops, for the world's largest, most important military force, are those people responsible for making that decision for the US military? Mathew Crawford: Right. That, that is, that is a breach of control. At the very least, it is handing control to [00:43:00] scientists whose interests may not be the same as yours or ours. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's interesting you bring that up. There's this idea I've in developing and kind of noodling through, if you will. First of all, we have to ask why. Cuz often we see things and we accept them for what they are. And if you want to be a mover, a shaker and, and look for truth, you have to ask why. And the first question I ask why is if you know, if you understand FOIA and what it applies to, it only applies to the executive branch, does not apply to the judicial branch, it does not apply to the legislative branch. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It only applies to the executive branch. Does not apply to state level, county level, city doesn't apply to any of those, does not apply to any private or publicly traded companies. Now with that information, why is Pfizer able to have documents voided, Mathew Crawford: These documents that are submitted to to be, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I don't [00:44:00] know. I don't know. Those are good questions. But how can any of these documents be fo you if it's a private company or a publicly traded company? And then we look a little deeper into the. Yeah, go ahead. Mathew Crawford: My understanding is, is that the Pfizer documents or documents that were presented for review by the fda, for the FDA to make a decision about like the e u a for instance, but let's go into this a little deeper, but I don't know exactly why that's under the executive Dr. Sam Sigoloff: branch. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, go ahead. So if we look at when they actually redact things, they, they put a little black box over it or gray box, and they'll often, I think they're required by law to put a little number letter on it to say why this particular information was redacted. And one of the common, there was one that was recently released, I think March and from Pfizer, and it talks about their testing sites and it talks about testing products. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So one of the things that was actually tested, and if you look through there, there's a lot of this, B four, Bravo four, the letter B and the number four written on top of these. And if you, okay, well, let's go look to Pfizer. Let's figure out, let's do the homework, this, the [00:45:00] simple stuff, and figure out what B, the letter B and four, what that means when it's redacted through Pfizer and what it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You, I'm going to kind of paraphrase it, but basically what it says is it's covering up any particular information that could expose a u a state-of-the-art US weapons system. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, let's take this a little deeper so we know that faux Sun Pharmaceutical I'm sure you've heard of that, but if the listener hasn't, it's a communist Chinese run pharmaceutical company, fo Sun Pharmaceutical. Take the time. Go look it up. Don't take my word for it. Fo Sun Pharmaceutical had an agreement, I believe it was in March of 2020 with BioNTech BioNTech is the company that had a partnership. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're from Germany. They've had a partnership with Pfizer. The government had a deal, I don't know the particulars of this, but they had some deal with Pfizer and [00:46:00] BioNTech to make the vaccine. Was the government aware that biotech was using Fo Sun Pharmaceuticals to help do their research? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If we look at, I think it's the N D A A of 2006, it says that the US military is not allowed to purchase any weapons systems from Communist China. We look at the Berry Act and, and the spirit of the Berry Act is nothing that soldiers wear should come from China. So no weapon systems, no shirts, no bulletproof vests, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the idea is that if you have a bulletproof vest from China, hey, let's make those not work. And then if you ever get an issue, a scuffle with, with Americans, Hey, don't worry, their body armor's not gonna work. That's the idea behind it. There's a potential, I think, greater than 1%, maybe not a hundred percent, but maybe greater than 1% risk that a communist Chinese company, which in China, you don't have a company if you're not in with the government. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:47:00] Helped develop research, publish, and get out this shot, which has a potential to be a bio weapon to me. Sold service members should be completely barred from even being offered this shot from this moment on, let alone coercing them to get it. They shouldn't even be allowed to get it because the potential for national security is so great. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cuz even if one part of what I said was correct, that could be disastrous. . But then we take it a step further and we learn about CRISPR and how CRISPR is a gene editing technology. And if you go back and listen to, if the listener go back, goes back to episode nine where I speculate that there could be CRISPR hidden in this technology. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: About a week after I did that podcast, I was given a white paper and that white paper says, yes, there is CRISPR hidden in here. We take that in [00:48:00] conjunction with a whistleblower that said that worked for Pfizer that said, yes, there's CRISPR in the shot. So now we potentially have a bio weapon developed in part or partially, or mostly or doesn't matter, by China. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Our enemy put into every service member Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and, and just for you and what I'm gonna say, what the clip says is there's this man who he was working for, or he met a woman from China. And when she came to, bless you, when she came to America, she said she cannot get the mRNA shot because she won't be allowed to go back to China. They have some test or scan or something and if it's positive, they'll turn around and I'll let her enter the country. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so that man of the video I just played, I spoke with him personally to make sure that he wasn't embellishing in these kinds of things. And he said no, that they have a [00:49:00] scan or a test that they can do on her when she goes to China. And if that scan or test is positive, they will turn her around and bar her entry back into her home country. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So whatever is in this, they don't want, even in their general population. Mathew Crawford: Yeah, that's, that's pretty stunning. And, and we should be worrying on that level. I have worried on the level of some form of shedding and I, I've been in, in, you know, every week. I mean, I'm in discussion groups with scientists. Most of them don't, still don't believe in shedding. I personally was at a wedding last year in which a number of us who had not been vaccinated left the wedding sick, but with different symptoms like it, it didn't seem like it was a bug that we all got. Mathew Crawford: But in particular, the, the two most, you know, populous groups at this wedding were firefighters and nurses. People who, you know, are like healthy people [00:50:00] who, who are constantly around sickness but don't get sick. You know, it's a very healthy group of people. All, all, you know, lots of ex-athletes. And yeah, it, it, it was, it was just, it was a strange thing. Mathew Crawford: You know what my wife and I experienced we'd never experienced headaches that were not responsive to ibuprofen for five days. And that concerned me. I still don't know what to make of it. I don't know that the biology, but yesterday I was in discussion with several biologists and learned something new myself, which, when, when you get one of these shots you know, even just the the Pfizer shot, which has less mRNA it's like 1.8 trillion mRNA entering your body. Mathew Crawford: And, you know, not all of your cells, like you have more cells than that, but not all of your cells are gonna uptake the stuff, right? You wind up with like 10 to a hundred of these mRNA jamming into one cell and something, it, it, it, and because of that, there's overcrowding and it's not just making the spike protein, which is dangerous [00:51:00] enough. Mathew Crawford: But what's happening is a lot of these spike proteins are misfolding, is what these biologists think. And a misfolded protein, misfolded protein can itself result in disease. That's what p prion disease is. You know, very often is, is just, you know, it, it's not even that the protein was bad for your body, it's that the protein was misfolded and then became like a foreign invader. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The, that white paper that said there was crispr, they, it also said that they could not find an entire whole spike protein. There was pieces of it maybe to, to look like there was some in there, but there was not an entire spike protein. There was also 13 other proteins that they couldn't identify, but they did find G R N A go look it up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's a little G rna and that's the targeting protein or the targeting R N A that tells the CRISPR where to go and those G R N A appear to target chromosomes five and 19. [00:52:00] Mathew Crawford: Is there anything specific about five and 19? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If I'm remembering correctly, one of 'em has to do with cancers and the other one has to do with neurologic issues like blood cancers and neurologic issues. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it was five is the blood or may have this reverse. And 19 has to do more with neurologic issues. Alzheimer's. Mathew Crawford: Okay. I was looking up P 53. Are you familiar with P 53? Mathew Crawford: Yeah, yeah. My, my wife's a P 50. My wife's a P 53 researcher, and so she's doing some research right now on what's going on with the mRNA. But I was gonna see, but it looks like that's on chromosome 17, but you said five and 19. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll be thinking about that. Interesting. Yeah, send me that paper. Mathew Crawford: I'd appreciate it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's in the PreOn disease. Again, if the listener can go back and listen to my episode nine, [00:53:00] I speculated that from the very, very start. I was like, Hey man, they could hide Cretz Field Yaakov in here, which is Mad Cow and Humans PreOn Disease. And then a short time later I found an article written by Bart Clayson and Bart Clayson lays out how the spike protein can cause PreOn disease, Cret Yakka disease. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then this past about a year ago now, actually a colleague of mine who, who helped me kind of form these thoughts and, and helped me, you know, be the only other doctor that I knew that thought this way, sent me a news article. This is from Alaska, of this man who used to live in Alaska, now moved to Tennessee and he had died of Kretz Yakka. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's about 300 cases diagnosed in the entire United States a year. So it's, it's very odd. And so I reached out to the guy who wrote the article. I got emailed back by both of his surviving sons adult sons, And they said yes. He, he got, their father was diagnosed and started [00:54:00] having symptoms. We started having symptoms few months after he got Pfizer, and within four months after getting both Pfizer shots, he was, he had died of Cretz Yakka, which is a horrible, tragic, awful death. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's, it's terrible. It's for as bad as Alzheimer's is, this is a thousand times worse because not only does it take who you are, but it takes all of your bodily functions away and very, very quickly. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's not proof that this causes this. That's certainly not, but that this should make everyone take pause and go, whoa. Is there a trend? Mathew Crawford: The, there are, there are a number of cases of that popping up in. . It's, it's still, you know, it's not a tiny number. It's still what you would call a small number, but they're rolling in and we know that ves is, you know, underreported, you know, it might be, there might be 40 times as many cases. Mathew Crawford: There are probably a few thousand already. And, and it's, it's very unclear as to how long it might take for some of [00:55:00] these cases to unfold, right? Because you don't know how much of that, you know you know, too much mRNA in one cell there is, and what other systems, the human body has to process that, right. Mathew Crawford: To slow it down. And it may be different. Yeah, it may be different, different people as far as how the system handles it. And yeah. This, this is a very serious issue. If I could, if I could bring this back to to the DMed and, you know, we, we, we've kind of walked this through but I'd like to, to you know, bring back to a note of. Mathew Crawford: You know, what, what we, what we have observed, what we've seen, ha you know, looking into this database issue is potentially the largest fraud in the history of the world in terms of the liabilities, also the potentially the largest treason in the history of the world. And we see from a number of angles the, the data points to the likelihood of intention. Mathew Crawford: So we have a, a changed [00:56:00] snapshot, changed snapshots. We have changed database before any of the queries were ever run. So you know, let's, let's, you know, propagate the real story as well as we can so that we have you know, we need to get some lawyers, we need to get some congress people looking into this immediately, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because this, this doesn't affect just me as Army guy. This doesn't affect me as an army guy. This affects you, the listener and everyone in the United States and potentially everyone in the world. Because if America becomes unstable because of which, hopefully it doesn't lead to that level of, of problem, but that is the reality of this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you start poking out the eyes of the medical community and they can't see the illness that's coming, which is the whole point of DMed, then, then you, are you an enemy? You know, not, not you, Matthew, but are, is the person perpetrating this, the enemy? Are they foreign? Are they domestic? These are questions that we need to be, we need to have answers for. Mathew Crawford: And as many [00:57:00] problems and mistakes as as we, as we make as a nation, you know, of course, which we should always be working to improve. We do keep the supply lines of the world safe. There are billions of people whose, you know, food security depends on us operating stably and you know, hopefully we do continue to improve. Mathew Crawford: You know make the world more peaceful. You know push our resources in, in ways that are positive for the world. But you know, there's no good that will come for most people in the world out of a, a catastrophe like this that could be unfolding. So it's time that we find out. Well, Matthew, thank you for sharing this. Mathew Crawford: This is Sam, thanks so much for having me this morning. This is, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this is some of the biggest information that that could be brought forward. And I want to thank you for, for coming on and talking. If people wanna catch you somewhere, where can they find your information? Where can they get more from you? Mathew Crawford: I write in a [00:58:00] newsletter called Rounding the Earth. Yeah, I, I, I try to keep it with a sense of humor at times, though a lot of the topics are very serious. And you know, I it, it, it, it's a tough balance sometimes to strike, right? Yeah. When you're talking about issues this serious. But yeah, rounding the earth is, is my home on the the web, and I'll put a link in this picture. Mathew Crawford: I published a lot of my research there. Well, thank you again, Matthew. Thank you much. Yeah, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: just a reminder for everyone out there in due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:59:00]

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Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well, thank you for joining me again. I want to first thank all my Paton supporters. We've got Shell at the $50 level. Sam and Angela Sheey at the 2020 level per custom made level at the plan demo, our pandemic reprimand $17 and 76 cents. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Perry and Ty. We've got Kevin aos and Katie at the $10 level. We've got Joe, pj, Rebecca Emmy had $5. And at the $1 level, I wanna thank Amanda Betz, Nadi, and Jay, thank you so much for all your support. Don't forget, I'll be selling more of these patches [00:01:00] and those will be available too. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But today we have a very special guest. And what's great about today's guest is he is a physician. He's actually in residency right now for neurosurgery, which is like among the, the surgeons in, in the medical field. Those are guys that are like, they're like the, the fighter pilots. They are the, the, the cream of the crop type of, of doctors. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But he's also an advocate. He, he thinks it's a good way to live, is the best way to. To put fuel in your body is to use what we call carnivore or also what man ate 10,000 years ago, and we've forgotten that sense. He's seen amazing healing with it just as I have. And the reason I wanted to have him on today is you've heard me talk about it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, I can go on and on and on about it, but to hear a different perspective, someone else talk about it, I think he gives more credibility to this way of eating. So how you doing today, Dr. Chaffee? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I'm doing great. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And just call me Sam through this whole thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But give us a little introduction of kind of your story a little bit and how you stumbled across [00:02:00] the whole carnivore diet and, and what led you to believe that is probably the most appropriate way for humans to eat. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Sure. And, and please call me Anthony. Of course. So while I'm, I'm an American doctor, I'm doing my residency in neurosurgery in Australia, as you mentioned. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I have always been interested in diet, nutrition, how that affects the health and performance, especially as an athlete. I was an All-American rugby player and then played at the top levels in the US and Canada as well as at the professional level in England as well. And have always loved sports, always loved competition, and wanted to fuel my body the best way that I could. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so obviously nutrition is the best way to do that. So I've been studying nutrition since I was a teenager at, at a university level. . When I was in my undergraduate degree at the University of Washington in Seattle, I was taking cancer biology and we were learning basic fundamentals of biology in botany, which is that plants use defense chemicals in order to defend themselves. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They're stationary, they can't run away or fight [00:03:00] back and use the other sort of kinetic defenses that animals and other other species have. And so they have to have other defenses. And one of those defenses that is ubiquitous amongst all plants are defense chemicals and poisons. And we were looking at this from a. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Cancer point of view who were looking at carcinogens. And we learned that this is 22 years ago, that brussel sprouts, they've already discovered 136 known human carcinogens just in brussel sprouts. And over a hundred Justin mushrooms and spinach, kale, lettuce, celery, cabbage, cucumber, broccoli. All of these different plants that you would find every day in the produce aisle would have 60, 80 or over a hundred known human carcinogens each. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And they were quite abundant. We have research out of uc, Berkeley in the 1980s from professor Bruce Ames looking at the defense chemicals in comparison to the pesticides we use industrially, right? So, so these, these defense chemicals are actually the natural pesticides, the natural insecticide that the plants use to stop pests and insects from needing them. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: [00:04:00] And then we add to that because there are some animals and insects that are immune to those defense chemicals, but they're not immune to other defense chemicals. And so we add something to the mix to make it. cover different, different species. And he found that just the defense chemicals and carcinogens that he found in these, these plants at that time, which weren't as many as we've discovered since then, were 10,000 times more prevalent by weight than the, than the pesticides we sprayed on them industrially. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And that the naturally occurring ones were a thousand times more likely to cause cancer than the defense, than the, the pesticides we sprayed on them in, in animal models. And specifically they were you, they were looking at alar in this instance, which was a pesticide that was spray on apples. And so this is why we still have pesticides. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So you just said that the, the naturally made this, you know, organic, if you will, made by the. Toxins that it uses to, to protect itself are more carcinogenic than the stuff we spray on it. [00:05:00] Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah. And, and that's why we still have them, because they were actually, they were actually trying to get all these pesticides banned back in the eighties, actually did ban a number of, of the different pesticides that we used to use because they said, oh, these are poisons, these are toxic, these are horrible. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And it's true. But Professor Ames showed that actually the natural defense chemicals in the plant itself are actually worse, which would make sense. There's standard reason because these, these things are alive, they like to stay alive and all living things have a defense. And so they have to have these, these naturally occurring pesticides and insecticides in them that are basically poisonous to everything on earth. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Except there are a few animals and insects that have evolved to break down these specific defense chemicals in, you know, down sa, break them down safely so that they can eat them. And you know, they have that defense, so, so, , you know, as, as you learn in, in basic biology, plants and animals are an evolutionary arms race. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Plants becoming more and more poisonous, so less and less animals can eat them, so they can survive and thrive. And then [00:06:00] animals becoming more and more adapted to specific poisons in specific plants so they can eat that plant and survive and thrive. And that is their dedicated food source. You know, like a wallaby in Australia, you know, people marvel. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Its like, wow, these things that they eat are just so deadly poisonous to everything else. That's amazing. No, that's actually very normal. I mean, think of eucalyptus and koalas or bamboo and pandas and, and you know, other animals, some animals that eat pan bamboo as well. But all of these plants that they eat are generally going to be toxic or even dead. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: to basically every other animal on earth. So if you think about it, all plants are poisonous. It's just that certain animals have evolved the ability to break down specific poisons in specific plants, but if they haven't evolved to, to eat that plant, that plant is bad for them. And that, and that goes for us as well because of course we live within nature, you know? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And, and we can't, we can't deny our, our, our place in nature. We did not come here from space we did not flash out of, out of nowhere. We are part of [00:07:00] nature. We are animals and nature applies to us. And if we deny that, we're, you're just doing that at our own risk because we, you know, reality will we'll win every time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So Anthony, this is exactly what just caught my attention. I was listening to you on, I think you came up on my Instagram feed and you said a phrase that I've been saying for, you've probably been saying it longer, but, and I'd never heard it before from any other doctor, but I. For two years now. And it, it caused a lot of problems for me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I said, plants wanna kill you. They don't want you to eat them. They can't defend themselves. They don't want you eating their babies and their babies are their seeds. I don't think you said that part, but their babies are like their seeds. And, and when I heard another doctor say that, I was like, just blown away that, wow, someone else came. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The same exact conclusion. And so that leads me to the next question. Well, well, Dr. Anthony, what else can I eat? What did humans eat 10,000 years ago? What's on every continent in every season that's available for food except for Antarctica, but that's, nobody lives there. [00:08:00] Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Well, penguins, you know, eat some penguins, but. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah, but you, you're right. I mean, that, that's exactly it. Is that, you know, the, the universal underlying theme there is animals. You know, we, we were hunters. We were not hunter gatherers. We were hunters. We were very recently hunter gatherers after the megaphone had died out through some sort of cataclysm or overhunting, probably a mixture of both. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And at that point we had to sort of find other means of sustenance. But, you know, even, even then, you know, many civilizations still were just exclusively eating meat. You know, when, when the Europeans came to America, They were essentially all of this, the native peoples were still just carnivores. They were, they were doing buffalo drops. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They were just, you know, having scaring a herd of a part of a herd of buffalo over a cliff. They'd all fall down and die. And they would make pemmican out of that, dry the meat, crush it up, and mix it with rendered fat. And that would blast the whole year. And that's all they were eating. [00:09:00] And there was a hundred million people on the continent of North America surviving like this. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And there were certain areas that developed agriculture actually seven independent places across the world. So it seems to be that this provided some sort of advantage in certain areas where maybe the, you know, we didn't have big buffalo herds and things like that, but there were plenty of, of peoples, I mean, think of, think of you know, slightly further back than that, Genghis Khan and the Mongol Hde, they were pure carnivores. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They just ate horse meat, drank horse blood, and fermented mare's milk and their products. and they're completely lactose intolerant, by the way. They didn't, they didn't actually just drink it on its own. They, and they, they had to ferment it and get rid of all the lactose. It was all always fermented like cheeses and yogurt and, and like a little weird beer. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I don't know how that's gonna taste, but you know, it's like mare's milk booze. And and that's what, and that's what they ate. And, you know, that's actually conferred huge advantage to advantages them not, not only in health, because that's, were huge. I mean, every account talks about this, how they were just that monstrous [00:10:00] in size. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: These guys were pushing seven feet and you was just massive, massive, massive people. And and they would talk about how they would like, wouldn't eat for five days in a row, and then they would eat. Five pounds of horse meat, 10 pounds of horse meat in a go. And then they'd go for another, another five or six days. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And that was normal for them. And because of that, a, they were much better nourish. They were much stronger, they had much better energy. And they didn't have to stop three times a day to get out the field rations, boil up some oats and, and feed all the troops, and then keep marching. They could just keep going. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And they didn't have all these cook fires and campfires and everything like that, so they were silent. You couldn't, you couldn't see campfires in an army, you know? Oh, there's an army else coming closer. Oh, we know where they are. You didn't know where they were. They just show up out of nowhere. And they knew exactly where you were because they could see all your campfires. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They could see you stopping three times a day and they could see you, you campfires at night. And so they had a massive advantage and they took over. Most of Asia and most of Europe, and they had the largest contiguous [00:11:00] empire that's ever existed. And they held it for hundreds of years until there's another cataclysm that seemed to, you know, get up a bunch of particulates in, into the atmosphere, block out the rays of the sun. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: A lot of the plant life and grasses died off, and horses just aren't as capable of extracting nutrients out of grass as cows are. So, so the peoples that were nomadic cow herders, they sort of took over and that's what Russia is now. They took over most of that previous empire and You know, but that, that just goes to show you that this is, this is a very, very viable model, even for a large empire. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And actually it, it confers an advantage to that. We've sort of forgotten that, but you, there are a number of examples of that throughout history. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. What I think is interesting is there's this idea in the medical field that the Mediterranean diet that has been, you know, allegedly proven to be so heart healthy, they've turned it into this, this plant, you know, monstrosity where it's, oh, we're just eating plants. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But if you look at the people in the Mediterranean, they ate goat, goats, milk, sheep. They had some fruit [00:12:00] like olives and, you know, cucumbers and tomatoes. But it was, and cheese and yogurt. But it was a animal based diet with fruit. And can you get into the, the difference between because, sorry, go ahead. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Oh, I was just gonna say, you know, I mean, read the ID and the Odyssey. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I mean, it's all about, you know, the animals that they're hurting and, you know, sacrificing goats and sheep and things like that. You know, o Odysseus gets back home, kicks out all this suitors who are just, every day they're just, you know, decimating his herds and, and and they're like, and he's telling his wife's like, don't worry, we kicked all these guys out. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: We'll get all that money back. We'll just, you know, go, go start raiding their towns and villages and we'll just take it all back. And things like that. It was all about meat. It was all about animal produce. Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I don't know if you have a any sort of a religious background, but in the Bible too, it's, it's about hurting. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, he was a wealthy, like Abraham was a wealthy man because he had huge herds and Yeah, it's just, it's when you start looking back, you're like, oh, everything points to eating. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Well, yeah. You know, to, to [00:13:00] your point there, I mean, look at the story of Kane Abel, basically almost as far back as you can go. I mean, hey, we're not in the Garden of Eden anymore. That's when people think it's like, oh, we can eat all these plants. No, we're, we're not in the Garden of Eden. That's the whole point now. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so we, we are you know, subject to different rules. And Kain, a Abel was a hurter, and he sacrificed, you know, the fatted lamb to, to God. God was pleased. And then Kane was, was a farmer, put us some crops on there, some, you know, tofu and and, and bean Kern. And God was like, absolutely not. That's disgusting. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And . And then God was displeased. And so, you know, and then, then Kane got, you know very, you know, jealous and butt hurt about that. And so he ended up killing his brother Abel, which I think is the first you know, first example of an angry vegan, you know, just like, ah, I'm not, I'm not happy with you meat eaters and , you know, so but yeah, I mean, there, there are are plenty of examples of all of this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I watched this, this cartoon on YouTube with my kids. It's called Storybook and some of the older cart versions of it, they have, they have that Canan Abel story, and it's, it's so like right in your face. They, and they did a very, very good job of it. You know, [00:14:00] Abel is his hurter. He's eating sheep and, and eggs and all this, that and the other. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and we call it strong food for my kids. And we have weak food. Weak food is. You know, any vegetable and all processed foods, fruits kind in the middle, doesn't really matter so much. And, and what's just striking? I ask the kids what is, what's Kane eating weak food. You know, he's eating grains, he's eating like kale, he's eating spinach and he's eating all, and he, his brother brings him eggs. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you know, this is, they've taken some literary license with this, right? His brother brings him some eggs and he smashes 'em on the ground. And it's just like, wow. He didn't eat any strong food. I don't know if you remember in April of 2020, there was an article that came out that said that those that eat meat have less behavioral health issues than those that eat no meat. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, what's a murderous rage? That's, that's a behavioral health issue. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, I was just thinking of what you were saying that that's interesting that you have that, that that same conclusion that plants are trying to kill you. I, I originally heard that [00:15:00] from my. Cancer biology professor, because that's what he said, 22, that's what converted me 22 years ago to exclusively eating meat, was that he said we basically telling us all about all these carcinogens and toxins that are in, in vegetables. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And literally we were blown away. And I, I remember I was thrashed looking around wildly to see who was in on the joke, because it must be a joke. And everyone else was doing it too. Everyone was just looking around, just, just violently like, what's going on? Just looking for like a ta someone in the corner just laughing like, ah, he just always does this. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: No one did that. Yeah, exactly. And, and, and, you know, yeah, we're, yeah, on candy camera or something like that and like, you know, it it didn't happen and so it just sort of dawned on me like, okay, this guy's serious. And I remember thinking to myself, I'm like, but, but vegetables are still good for you though, right? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And he just sort of looked at us and he just read our minds and he just said, I don't eat salad. I don't eat vegetables. I don't let my kids eat vegetables. plants are trying to kill you. [00:16:00] So I was like, right, forget plants. And I just stopped that day and I just, you know, went to the store and was looking around and my only mission was to n not eat plants. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And I was looking, I'm like, what else is there? Is everything's plants or has plants in it as ingredients. And so I just came across, you know, eggs and meat and milk and I was like, oh, hey, these don't come from plants. So that's, that's all I'll eat. I, I was still drinking milk at that time. I don't really anymore, just cuz it has enough lactose that it, you know, can raise your insulin and derge your metabolism. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: But at the time I was, I wasn't actually drinking all that much that often. It was mostly just meat and water. but yeah. And, but that was my only, my only I thought was I, I don't want to eat plants. Plants are trying to kill me, and I just got rid of them. When I was in England, I was playing rugby over there. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: It was just harder to get you know, meat. And it was much more. , a lot of it was breaded and just for convenience I would get some of like the breaded meat and just cuz it was easier. And I don't know what it was, but like it was very hard to cook a steak over there. I don't know if I like . This pisses off everybody in England, every time I say our meats such good quality, like okay, maybe. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: But the ones I was getting was like injected [00:17:00] with water or something because like I could not get these things to brown at all. It didn't matter what heat I used or how long I cooked it, it was like they would not brown. And so I'm like cooking it, it's just like, just being gray. I'm like, what the, what is going on here? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I flip it over, it's just gray and sweaty and it would be completely cooked through, it would be completely well done. It would not be brown on either side. I was like, I, what is going on with these steaks? Couldn't get these things to brown. And so, you know, I just, you know, for convenience sort of went for these pre-cooked things that were breaded. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And I was thinking, I was like, well, is that, is that gonna be a problem? I was like, well, Dose makes the poison. So, you know, maybe it's not all that bad and you know, you're always able to convince yourself of some stupid idea that you want to do. And, and so I did that and I actually didn't feel as good. I remember a couple months into it feeling like, why, why don't I feel as Amma? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: You know? It's absolutely just superhuman amazing as I normally do. Am I not just not working out as hard? Am I 25 now? So am I over the hump and am I just dying now? Like, I don't know. I didn't, I didn't know what was going on, but it was you know, looking back it was, that was exactly when I started introducing [00:18:00] plants back in. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And the worst thing that that did was it, it changed from me really thinking, I'm not eating plants at all, ever to. , I guess they're not, I guess some of these things. And, and all of a sudden I just started eating these things. I remember one day I was just like, I was with the, the team and I was, it was like a Sunday or something like that, and we're all just hanging out and I was like, oh, we should make like french toast. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I haven't had french toast in years. I was thinking, I was like, Hmm, I wonder why I haven't done that. Just completely forgetting that I've not eaten plants in five years, you know, . And it was just, it was so weird. It was just like, it was so weird. I just, you know, it just, it, it, it just sort of slipped away and I just sort of lost that thought. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And then sort of like five, six years ago, I came across, you know, again, information that no humans actually are carnivores as a species. That's biologically what we are. We are animals. And the type of animal we are is a carnivore. All animals have a species specific diet, very specific things in the wild. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: This is why there are signs at the zoo saying, do not feed the animals. This will make them very sick signs at the park saying the same thing. And that is why, because if you eat something [00:19:00] that you're not designed to eat, you will get sick because of these defense chemicals. And because you can't process the fiber in the carbohydrates unless you're a certain species and. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: We are not that species. And so I looked at that and I went, right. I knew it. I knew plants were trying to kill me, get rid of these stupid things, and I just went back to just eating meat. But now I was doing it in a much more mindful way. I knew exactly what I was doing and why. And then I really started digging into the research and the data and asking, okay, what do we know and, and what can we prove? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: You know? And and I just started digging in. I just, I was, you know, I, I'd taken, well, I basically left my residency at the time to go help with a family emergency. You know, my, my parents were having health issues and I just needed to be home for a while. And so I was helping out with that. . And and so I had, I had a bit more time, and so I, I was literally spending just eight, nine hours a day. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: It was back like, you know, doing my, you know, boards and MCATs again, you know, just, just like in front of a computer, just, just reading and reading and reading. But now it was just trying to resource, asking questions [00:20:00] like, okay, you know, like, well, sugar, you know, and, and you know, has that been causing, you know, I knew sugar, I knew the research about sugar and fructose and that causing harm. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I knew the research that, you know cholesterol and saturated fat actually weren't bad ever. And , you know, so I had all these things and the plants are trying to kill you, sort of things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's an mind blowing thing. That cholesterol is good, saturated fat is good. Our body's Dr. Anthony Chaffee: made of it. That's it. Well, you know, it. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah. Well, that's it. You know, I was in eighth grade and was taking, you know, biology in eighth grade, and I remember learning, it's like the, the cell membranes are cholesterol. And I was just like, and I remember thinking myself, I was like, how is cholesterol bad for us? We are cholesterol. I was like, well, you know, I'm just a kid. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I don't really know every, everything, so, you know, I guess I'll learn this eventually. And I just sort of tuck that thought away. But, you know, I was right. I mean, that, that's why, you know, they, they talk about, you know, like wisdom from the mouth of babes because, you know, kids haven't been indoctrinated yet, and they can actually just see what's in front of them. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And it's pretty damn clear. Like, we are made out of [00:21:00] cholesterol. Our hormones are all made out of cholesterol. Our brain is made out of cholesterol. There are a lot of things that run on cholesterol. Why would it just all of a sudden be bad for us? Or, you know, the carrier protein re you know, more specifically that, that transports fat and cholesterol around. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Why, why is that bad for us? That that's the, that's a natural process in our body and just, just for some reason it just. Yeah, exactly. And, and so this, this is where we vilify LDL cholesterol. First of all, there are many different kinds of LDL cholesterol. They're not all the same. And and, but again, this is, this is a natural, normal molecule that we make in health to transport i lipids and, and cholesterol. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Why would that be bad for us? That doesn't make any damn sense. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just shocked me when I was in biology biology 1301 and they said, you know, if you go on an extremely low caloric intake, your LDL and your just skyrockets immediately. I was like, that is a strange thing. Why would my LDL skyrocket if it's, why would my body [00:22:00] make something to kill me if it's as bad as they say it is when I'm fasting? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then, you know, 20 years later I find out, oh no, it's part of the immune system. It helps scrounge up all that stuff. It's a way to move energy around my body to where cancer and bacteria and viruses can't use it. . It's like, oh, now that makes so much more sense why that happens when I fast Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah. And you know, and, and the fact that there, there are many, many, many different kinds of particulate sizes and different kinds of ldl and, and it matters what kind those are. And it's not that those inherently are, are bad for you. They, they're causing harm. They're in, they're, they're sort of the smoke as opposed to the fire. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: You know, it, they come about from damage or damaging yourself from placation. And so when you have carbohydrates, you have excess glucose or even fructose, this can glycated which is a non enzymatic fusion of these, these sugar molecules to other molecules. So this is, this is a [00:23:00] pathological. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Function. Like this is not something that we, we do ourselves or that we want to do. So this happens just sticks to different molecules and messes them up and damages them. And that's what happens to these other LDL molecules and it, and it puts 'em into, you know, mix 'em into a small dense lipoproteins. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And and those are, have a stronger association with heart disease. But there's, there's, there's still no evidence that they cause heart disease. . What I think is, this is what a lot of people say, it's not just me is that this is in a larger inflammatory process, and this is a product of the inflammatory process is this damage to this LDL cholesterol that's also damaging a lot of other things that's also causing a lot of inflammation and damage to the rest of your body. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: That is then precipitates atherosclerosis. So the reason that there's an association is because both things are being caused by the same process, and that is much more likely to be the case. And certainly it's not a direct one-to-one LDL cholesterol to heart disease. We know that. I mean, that, [00:24:00] that's, that's, that's a no-brainer. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I mean, even, even people that still you know, espouse the cholesterol theory of heart disease, still have to admit that because there are massive studies. There's a two different studies in the US where over 140,000 participants in the US who had a heart attack and. 50% had high cholesterol, 50% had low cholesterol, literally straight down the, down the line. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: 50 50. And so it wasn't even like, well, it was like a 2% increase. No, no, it wasn't, it wasn't anything. It was, it was completely not associated. And you know, even if you have an association, even if it's a strong association, you can't prove causation. But if you have no association and you have pretty strong reasons to say there's no association, like 140,000 people where there is absolutely no association, well, that actually proves that there's no causation because you have to have an association if you're gonna cause something. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Right. And what's more interesting is that those patients were followed up two years later, [00:25:00] and the ones that either maintained a low cholesterol or reduced their cholesterol from high to low were two times as likely to have died. in, in the intervening two years of follow up, and the people that, that continue to have higher cholesterol, they were half as likely to die. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So, you know, we know that it's not just one to one. Cholesterol goes up, heart disease comes out. We know that. Okay? But at the same time, people are still saying, oh my God, you, your cholesterol, your cholesterol. Well, if we, we, if we know it's not causative, if we know there's not a direct relationship between just your number of cholesterol and heart disease, then what are you saying is the mechanism here? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I mean, that, no, no one really answers that. They just say, right, here's a statin. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That was gonna be my next question for you is, well, here, here a patient, here's the statin and, and let's, let's kind of noodle through this a little bit, but if we're, if our brain is the fattiest organ in our body and we're altering how our body metabolizes fat cholesterol, [00:26:00] wouldn't it make perfect sense that we would have problems with cognition? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wouldn't it make perfect sense that we have if LDLs part of the immune system, that we have problems with infection, which is one of the side effects. It all just falls into place. These aren't weird side effects. These are make perfect sense. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Well, but that's it. And, and you know, as you know, someone said to me before, there are no side effects. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: There are just effects. Some of 'em you want, some of 'em you don't. But that this, this is what this drug does. And what that drug does is it reduces a molecule in your body that is actually very important and has a lot of functionality and and, and effects in your body that, that you don't actually wanna get rid of. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so people can have a lot of. Side effects. And they say they, they mitigate that because they say, well, you know, you're getting these problems, but oh, at least you won't get a heart attack, or you'll be less likely to get a heart attack. And that's actually not true. You know, the studies are actually showing that there was a study with over 60,000 people over the age of 65, which are the, you know, highest risk group of getting heart attacks. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And they found that they, the ones with [00:27:00] higher LDL cholesterol were either, you know, had, had no, you know increased risk or sometimes actually a decreased risk if they had higher LDL cholesterol and were not on statins. And then the ones with statins had a slightly increased risk, and the ones that had low LDL cholesterol and on statins, they were at the, at the highest risk. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So that's, that's doing the exact opposite of what this is proposing to do. And so the conclusion of this, that the authors were saying, Hey, look, we really need to rethink the role of statins and the role of cholesterol in heart disease because at, at the, at the best that we can say with this dataset is that, Statins don't provide any benefit. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And, and the worst we can say is that they're actually causing harm. And that would make sense if you understand, if you understand that cholesterol is not a direct cause of heart disease and so, and it is actually a molecule that's really good for you. And so you don't actually want to reduce it. If you reduce it, that's gonna cause harm and it's not gonna save you from heart's disease. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When you start thinking of, [00:28:00] of these studies like you're showing where it's, it's not helpful and it may be quite harmful, it's like, well then what's, why is the push for this? Why do all insurance companies push this? And, and I certainly don't want you saying anything cuz again, for the listener, he's in a different country. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We, we don't want to have him say things that would cause problems for him, let's put it that way. And we'll leave it at that because there are other things that he can't talk about that may cause problems. And we're not broaching those subjects at all today. But. Who, who stand, who stands to benefit, right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If insurance, let's say in America, if insurance, if I don't get good scores from my insurance company, if I accept insurance, because you know, all my patients aren't on statins, well, I can't open their mouth and jam a pill down their throat. So what's, what's the point? Like what, why are they pushing these so hard? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I don't have an answer. I don't know if you do. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Oh, the statins. Well, I mean, you know, the statins have been the most successful drug that's ever been brought to market. It's brought the most profit and the [00:29:00] most, you know, we just, gross income of any group of medications ever in history. And if. They keep, you know, rolling this, you know down this path. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: It's, it's going to just continue to, to give more and more and more and more back. Because if we're, if we're still, you know, telling ourselves that cholesterol is the end all, be all, you know, anyone getting into their thirties, oh, oh my goodness, you know, you've got, you've got some high cholesterol, better get on this statin before the the, the atherosclerosis builds up or even gets a chance to, you know, they're gonna have, you know, billions of people for the rest of eternity on this drug that they can just keep, you know, you know, minting you know, fortunes off of. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: But, you know, so that, that's their incentive. But, you know, and if, and if it were actually helping people, I, I wouldn't mind that. But I think the evidence is, is quite clear that that, that we got that one wrong. And, you know, I mean the, the Journal of the American College of Cardiology. themselves actually [00:30:00] published in 2020, a large meta-analysis, looking at all the available data and concluded that, you know what? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Saturated fat is not a problem. Saturated fat is not a, a, a risk for heart disease. There is no upper limit on the, on the safe amount of saturated fat that you can eat. And in fact, they found an inverse relationship between saturated fat intake and stroke risk. Okay? So they found no association. No association. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Remember, if there's no association, there is no causation. So they found no association throughout all of the literature between saturated fat intake and heart disease. And they found an inverse relationship between saturated fat in intake and stroke. So the less saturated fat you eat, the more likely you are to have a stroke. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: The more saturated fat intake you have, the less likely you are to have a stroke. And their studies looking at Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's, as you would expect, your brain is made out of. Is is made out of fat, saturated fat and cholesterol, [00:31:00] and, and that having higher saturated fat intake, higher LDL cholesterol, the so-called bad cholesterol, is actually protective against all of these neurodegenerative processes. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: It's even in, in it's even protective against it seems to be a protective link between saturated fat and LDL cholesterol and autism. In fact, pregnant women who have higher intake of saturated fat and higher LDL cholesterol during pregnancy have lower rates of children with autism, which is getting out of control now. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I mean, the, the rates of autism are, are skyrocketing. As with all these other chronic diseases that we are seeing and facing over the past 40 years. They've all. dramatically. You know, I mean, like we, we revolutionized the way we ate. We said that cholesterol was bad, saturated fat is causes higher cholesterol. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: This all exists in meat. Stop eating meat. Stop eating eggs, eat more fruits and vegetables, and people listened. In America alone, we reduced our fat intake by 30%, re and cholesterol as well. Reduced red meat by 33%. You know, sort of switched over to chicken, lean chicken sort of things. [00:32:00] And then increased fruits and vegetables by 30, 40% respectively, and also grains and sugar as well. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And what happened? The obesity rate tripled heart disease, tripled stroke rate, tripled cancer rates tripled. Type two diabetes, autoimmune disorders, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, even, you know, neurodegenerative, developmental delays such as, All increased exponentially. They almost didn't exist before then. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Now they're the only things we treat and they all increased at the exact same time and they're still increasing. And we are still pushing more and more and more away from fat, away from meat and into plants, into seed oils, going more vegan, going more fake meat. And so we're seeing exactly what you expect if that theory is true, that we are going further away from our naturally evolved species specific diet, our designed diet, our designed biological food source. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And just like animals in the zoo, just like you know, the ducks at a apart, if you feed us something that we don't normally eat, we will get sick. And that is exactly [00:33:00] what's happening. And so that sort of shows that relationship that we're eating the wrong. Again, you know, from a religious Dr. Sam Sigoloff: background, I, I look at this from a different light cuz it seems like, oh, there's some conspiracy to do this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, there's not there, there's a thing called the unseen realm. And so, you know, our fight is not against flesh and blood against rulers and principalities of darkness and in this unseen realm. And so what that means in the Bible is that there are these beings you can call. Demonic means if you want, but what they do is they wanna destroy God, Satan, he wants to des, he can't strike it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: God, there's nothing he can do to God, but he can destroy humanity and that gets to God. And so how does that work? Well, there's a whispering of the ear, oh, eat this. This is better for you. When in reality, it's worse for your body, it's worse for the planet, and it it leads you to a point where you're so vitamin deficient that you don't know you're having neuropsych issues like b12, B12 deficiency where there's no plant that has B12 in it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It can look like schizophrenia. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah. And there's there's even a book that came [00:34:00] out from Harvard psychiatrist, Chris Dr. Chris Palmer, who wrote a book called Brain Energy. And he's done, he's been doing research for years now, looking at how diet, specifically ketogenic diet, Schizophrenia and other psychiatric issues. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And he, and he's come up with this underlying unifying theory of psychiatric disorders, that it is a metabolic mitochondrial disease, which we were finding that a lot of diseases like diabetes, like cancer, like a lot of different diseases that are so-called chronic diseases, they actually come from a dysfunction of the mitochondria because we're eating the wrong thing and we're damaging our mitochondria. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They aren't working as, as well and they can't generate attp properly and they can't move around the cell. It's quite interesting cause, cause as he explains in the book, mitochondria actually move around on these little cytoskeletons sort of a trains and the, you have hundreds of these things, thousands of these things in your cells, over a thousand if you're healthy. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And they'll go to a certain area and they'll make ATP right there released out of [00:35:00] that area and. Spark something happen in that area. Neurotransmitters be released from that area right there. And, and then they'll go to another area. And so this is all carefully coordinated. When that breaks down, that can't happen as quickly, that can't happen as efficiently. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They're not getting the ATP out in the, in the abundance and timing that they need to. And that will just cause everything to go wrong. I mean, you have anywhere from few hundred, you know, few hundred billion cells to several trillion cells in neurons in your brain. And, and they have, you know, 20 to 30,000 different interconnections with other cells. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so, you know, even, even just a little bit going wrong with, with that extremely intricate dynamic in hundreds of billions of cells, you have a major problem. You know, this is, this is the most finely tuned precision instrument that we know of in the universe. And. It can go very, very wrong. And you know, that's, that's why I tell people that, you know, like the last [00:36:00] 5% of going to a, you know, a carnivore diet, a biologically appropriate diet converts about 95% of the benefit. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Because even just a little bit of sand in the gears in a precision watch, you, it's done. You know, you don't need to dump the whole, you know, sandlot in there. It's just like a little bit will do it. And so because you, you've tinkered with this precision instrument, it's going to go wrong. And he found that people that went on a, a ketogenic diet, they were actually curing. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: schizophrenia, bipolar O c D, major depression, anxiety in, in far greater numbers than any of the standard of care. You know, you know, near complete recovery in most people. There was a, a study done by Georgia EID with 32 psychiatric patients that were in, patients that were refractory to standard of care medications. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They, they failed and they were just, they couldn't function in society. So they were all in institutionalized. They were all put on a ketogenic diet. Every single one improved, you know, none [00:37:00] of them improved on the standard of care. Every single one improved on, on a ketogenic diet. That's 32 patients. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Chris Palmer has, has done this with hundreds and hundreds, you know, and the guys at, at Harvard and Harvard does, does a lot of good research, you know, and they do a lot of bad research too. They're very, very plant-based, which is interesting because he's in, he's in Harvard and this is where a lot of this, you know, just plants are good nonsense are coming out. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And because they're coming from Harvard, and so it was Harvard, of course, you know, it's so great and it's like, and, but thankfully people like Dr. Palmer and others are actually coming out with real research showing actual improvement in people's lives. And it goes against that. So they, they, I'm sure they're fighting an uphill battle. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: In their own institutions. What first turned me Dr. Sam Sigoloff: onto carnivore was I, I stumbled across Mikayla Peterson. Well, there was mc, Jordan Peterson talking about Mikayla and her. She had idiopathic hyper se is what he said and, which is interesting cuz I would just diagnosed with that. [00:38:00] Huh, interesting. And which is a super rare, it's like narcolepsy, but even more rare. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the difference is you go into REM versus not going to rem and I was in Alaska at the time and, you know, being a doctor, being on call, having narcolepsy your entire life. But now you're in Alaska, so you're, you're standing in quicksand. It's like always being a jet lag. You have two minutes and 30 seconds of daylight change every single day. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So it's either all day, all night, or you're always somewhere in between. And none of the medications were working. And so I started doing carnivore. I just switched one month and I could stay awake. I could read to my kids at night and not be falling asleep with a book in my hand. and it was just, it was just shocking. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And now if I have carbs, I get tired. It's, it's striking how quickly I can get tired from, from just a little bit of carbs. Like even fruit, you know, it's, I, I really have to stay away from carbs so that I don't, and it's not like deuce biglow where you just fall asleep in your soup. It's not, it's not like that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's [00:39:00] but just that feels like you've been up for 48 hours. It just kinda o. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Yeah. Well, I mean, if you think about it biochemically, you know, when you're in, you know, you know I'm, I'm sure you took biochemistry as, you know, as required for pre-med in America. And yet a lot of doctors in America seem to miss this simple fact that when you are in a so-called fasting state, your body works way better and you, you produce carbohydrates, you produce glucose and glycogen and ketones, and that's much more efficient to actually store energy in fat and then use it later as you need to and as opposed to just keep feeding the beast, you know, a whole bunch of carbohydrates and just this quick burning fuel that you have to keep, keep going with. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: That doesn't really make sense. And, and so I don't think that that is a fasting state. This also doesn't make sense as a fasting state because I can eat three pounds of ribeye and still be in a fasting metabolism that that's clearly not a fasting metabolism that is just a. [00:40:00] Metabolic state that we are primarily in when we're eating our primary food source, which is meat, and that the so-called Fed State is a pathological state defense mechanism that our body's defending ourselves against hyperglycemia, which is dangerous because of this glycation that I mentioned earlier. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: The higher your blood sugar. The higher the rate of, of glycation and this damages you. This, this can kill you. This is what kills diabetics and your body recognizes this and, and puts up your insulin as a defense and tries to get this out as quickly as possible. But it's not, it's not, well, we're just gonna titrate this down slowly. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: It says, no, no, no, we need to get this out now. And so it really slammed up your insulin quite high and has a, a long halflife and so it stays up and your blood sugar is now too low and you feel wretched, you know, and then you have to keep eating carbs to keep feeding that engine because insulin blocks lipolysis, it blocks proteolysis. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So now all of your fat stores [00:41:00] are shut down. You cannot mobilize energy anymore. You cannot make glucose glycogen ketones. You can only run on the, on the blood sugar that is now coming down precipitously. And so you. keep eating carbs and keep eating carbs and keep eating carbs. And I don't, so I don't think that that's our primary metabolic state. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: In fact, that is not the primary metabolic state of humans in the wild who just eat meat like the Inuit and or like other animals in the wild. 66% of animals animal species are carnivores. They're all in this ketogenic starvation state as they call it. And, but also herbivores, herbivores that eat fibrous plants. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They are able to break down fiber. We're not able to break down fiber. That's another reason that, you know, we're not supposed to be eating this stuff is because we can't do anything with it useful. So animals that are herbivores that eat fibrous plants, they can all break down fiber, but they break it down into short chain fatty acids because it's the bacteria [00:42:00] that eat the fiber. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: No ENT animal can break down fiber. So the bacteria break it down. And as a waste product, they produce short chain fatty acids and then the bacterias die off, and that's also broken down and absorbed as protein. So what the animal is actually eating or is, is different from what it's absorbing. So it eats a bunch of fiber and it absorbs fat and protein. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So even a cow or a, or a or a gorilla is just eating green leaves and occasional fruit. They actually eat more green leaves than fruit. They're actually in this, they're actually getting 70 to 80% of their calories from fat. And so they're all in a ketogenic starvation state. And we've actually tested this in wolves in 1981. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: There was a study. They said, well, you know, you need carbs to burn carbs. That was the thought of the day. . And so, you know, but we don't see wolves, you know, carbo loading before they chase caribou for 10 hours. So like, okay, do they have blood sugar? Do they have glycogen? And so they found out yes, they do. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And it's rock solid. It does not change [00:43:00] no matter what they're doing, no matter what point that they, they found them, whether they're at rest, when they're in the chase, after the kill, after they've eat. , it didn't matter. It was right here because their body was constantly replenishing it from their fat stores. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: That is a much more efficient way of doing things than having to run, run, run, run, run. Oh, okay, I need, I need to eat a power bar and then I can keep chasing this guy. Oh, okay. All right. Now I can go, that, that doesn't work. You know, that does, just doesn't work in the wild. And so I think the only reason that we call that fed State and it's a fasting state, is because by the time we're able to look at biochemistry at a molecular level, everyone was eating carbohydrates. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so I said, oh, when you eat, it looks like this. When you don't eat, it looks like that. It's like, yeah, Dr. Anthony Chaffee: yeah, yeah. Well, okay. When you eat anything except carbohydrates, it also looks like this. And you're not fasting. You have just eaten thousands of calories so you're not fasting. Okay. So that's just your normal. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: I gonna take you back Dr. Sam Sigoloff: to the, something about the cancer, cuz, and, and I caught some of your Instagram live feed yesterday. And you know, I, I think I know the answer to this, but I'm gonna ask you anyways just [00:44:00] cuz I wanna make sure everyone else knows the answer to this. You were talking about cancer and how, as a common pathway, and you alluded to this, but so are you saying that all cancer's a metabolic issue that could probably be refined down to Dr. Anthony Chaffee: mitochondria? Dr. Anthony Chaffee: That that seems to be you know what the, what the biology certainly suggests. Excuse me. So you know, that, that, that's not me saying that, you know, like there's some of the top, excuse me, some of the top cancer researchers in the world going back to a hundred years. These are their conclusions. And so if you look at cancer biology, look at the work of you know, Nobel Prize winner Auto Warburg. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: He wrote a paper in 1951 called The Origin of. and he talked about how this, this comes from the mitochondria. This comes from damage to its ability to go through oxidative phosphorylation. And when it does that, it has to go through a substrate level fermentation process. A lot of, you know, big [00:45:00] words for a lot of people that they're never heard these things before. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: What that means is the mitochondria are damaged and they're not able to create ATP properly, and so they have to go through other, to other means of energy production because that cell needs is, needs to make energy. . So the problem with this is there are a lot of downstream effects of this. It can create a lot of free radicals. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: It's less efficient, so you need a lot more glucose, and it caused a lot of free radicals that can hit around bouncing around damaged cells that can cause DNA damage and mutations. It also upregulates and through epigenetics, it starts changing the genetic expression to start opening up the channel to start hosing in more glucose because they're like, Hey, we need more glucose. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: We're not getting enough ATP with this level of glucose, and we can't run on ketones anymore. Because once those, those mitochondria are damaged to a certain extent, they can't run on ketones. So they can only run on glucose and only in the level of this cytoplasm or they [00:46:00] can also, some of them run on glutamine and so they can run on that, those sources, but they can't run efficiently. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So they have to open up these channels and have to pull in a lot of glucose and glutamine. It could stop there. Except for the fact that the mitochondria do a lot more than that. The mitochondria are actually what Control apoptosis program cell death. So when things are going radically wrong and the cell just says, well, no, we just gotta, we just gotta ex exit right here and let the rest of the boys go on. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: That doesn't work if you're mitochondria or, or damaged and destroyed. So they can't do that anymore. And then further, further than that, it, the mitochondria actually what regulate cell division. So they can't stop the cell from dividing it inappropriate times if they're damaged and they're not able to go about their normal business. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So what is cancer? It's unregulated cell growth. And that's exactly what happens when you destroy the mitochondria. And [00:47:00] so what we see in mitochondria that, or sorry, in the cancer cells throughout. Every single cancer cell as there are these damaged mitochondria, there's something different about them. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: There's more of them. There's less of them, and they're, they're physically, structurally different. And, you know, in, in cell biology structure, you know, begets function. And so if the structure's damaged, they will not have the same function. And so you will see these damaged mitochondria in every cancer cell. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And you'll also see that all these cancer cells ne as auto Warburg showed a hundred years ago. And people like Professor Siegfried to Boston College, formerly Yale have showed subsequently that cancer cells. Roughly require 400 times the amount of glucose to operate than normal cells because they're not as efficient at it. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So they need a lot more of it. And they, they go through, you know, this, this fermentative process, basically like anaerobic activity. You know, instead of getting a 36 atp, you're just getting two. And so you need a lot more of [00:48:00] this stuff. And they're bio, you know they're biologically more active as well, so, you know, they, they need more even because of that. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so, you know, so that, that gives you a good idea that this is from the level of the mitochondria. Right. And another few things to consider. You know, the, the, the other idea is, is the somatic theory of cancer, which is, this all comes down with the DNA because that's what happened. Watson and Crick discovered DNA N after, after auto Warberg discovered all this about the mitochondria cancer. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And everyone just basically is went, forget what everybody ever said. It's all about the dna. Cause I figured this is it, this is the code for life. This is where everything comes from. And forgetting first of all, that mitochondria have dna and second of all, like, you know, other things can have structure and function and Yeah, exactly. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so, and, and you know, the mitochondria vaccine implanted, you know, its own DNA into, you know, the nucleus and things like that. But there's, there's still, [00:49:00] you know, many genes in mitochondria as well. And they have, they have, they have epigenetic effects on the nucleus as well. So it's much more complicated than that. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And, but that, that was what happened. So basically everything got overshadowed because we discovered DNA N like, oh, everything's dna. Well, no it's not, you know, that has a lot to do with a lot of things, but that's not the end all be all. And some things you can look at that, that sort of disrupt the somatic theory of cancer is that, first of all cancer cells don't all have the same genetics. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: They're not all monoclonal. That's actually what I was taught in, in medical school. And, you know, it was like, you have this, you have this, this mutation, you get this mutation after mutation, after mutation. You get these eight different mutations that are hallmark of metastatic cancer, and then it just starts growing out of control. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And that makes this big tumor and that spreads throughout your body. But that's actually not true. You know, like you, you can take a, you can take a tumor and you can cut it up and look at it in a microscope and you will see every single cell actually visibly looks [00:50:00] different. And they all have different DNA as well. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: And so they all, but they all act as cancer. They all behave as cancer. They're all malignant cells. And so that's a bit off. And some cancers actually don't have any genetic changes. None. So what's that? You know, and they, they come up with all these different weird theories. Like, well, you know, the, you know, the the microenvironment around it. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Maybe that's encouraging that to act as cancer. Like, well, you can sort of try to fit in different theories, but what it isn't is a genetic change in that nucleus. Right? And so that, that's something right there. Another one that's very interesting is actually from direct test. They've taken, it's called like a, a mitochondria and DNA transfer study. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: So they've taken the damaged nucleus, the damaged DNA, out of cancer cell, and put it into a normal cell with normal, normal cytoplasm and mitochondria. It does not behave as cancer. They could even clone frogs and [00:51:00] rats out of it. Okay? Then you take the mitochondria, the damaged mitochondria, put that into a healthy cell. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: With healthy normal dna, it either dies on the spot or it turns into cancer. You cannot clone anything out of it, it'll just, it'll just turn, turn into a ball of cancer and die. And so, you know, that's, that's, you know, pretty significant. And if you take healthy mitochondria and you put that into a cancer cell, it suppresses the cancer, it stops behaving as cancer. Dr. Anthony Chaffee: Okay. Regardless of the, the dna. That's Dr. Sam Sigoloff: better proof for origin of cancer than what we have for proof of origin of viruses. But

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