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I'm Tony and welcome to the Jeep talk show the talk show where we talk about all things Jeep from trail riding to overlanding and everything in between Sit back grab a cold one and get ready for another great guest right here on the Jeep talk show. Are you ready? It's time for the Jeep talk show with hoes Tony Josh Wendy and Chuck In episode 442 we spoke with Sean P Holman of Motor Tram. I've raced in the Baja 1000 I've been all over the world testing everything from you know Range Rovers to Ford trucks everything in between just it's it's been an amazing Journey on just bought a new JL But was it the right color in gray it red was in the running I just and I told us to mark out and I said Bring back flame red. Yes firecrackers just a little too orgy for me It your argument is it wasn't read enough 100% support that a Jeep talk show has well over 400 past episodes for your entertainment Yeah, there is a lot of episodes out there. I think it's I think that promo just said 400 We're over a thousand episodes in our back catalog. So go back and get some Jeep talk show goodness From around the world Or from your city and Sometimes just down the street had a neighbor. It's the Jeep talk show interview I Do boys and girls is tough another Jeep talk show interview We're gonna be talking with Tyler and Tyler is a lifelong adventure addict proud father and husband He and his wife Jada co-founded all roads taken with the belief that adventure is an essential part of life Fostering a deeper connection with the planet each other and ourselves Their mission with all roads taken is to inspire individuals to take a chance on adventures near and far Knowing it will always be worth the drive and Tyler I think we sometimes get into our mindset that I don't want to do that because I'm gonna break something or something's bad it's gonna happen or even my luggage is gonna get lost and It quite often is something that you just learn to deal with When you do it and it turns out not to be a big deal. It's kind of like fear ruling her lives Sure. Yeah, we have a saying in our family that we all buy shrines You buy things to enjoy them, you know, and once you get over that part, it's like getting that first little nick on the new car Once you get into it and you're like, this is worth it the whole time, you know, so we don't buy shrines and You know that that we try not to be guided by that fear that happens before you go off and do something right, there's always a little bit of friction or apprehension of the unknown and Typically once you find yourself on the ground The situation is a lot more friendly and approachable than you might have thought it was You know the outset so we try to give her that hump and once we're there things usually pan out Now I'll tell you one thing that I see I don't know if you're a jeeper or not, but there's one thing I see on Wranglers where they do the spare tire delete That's over the line for me Especially for going off-road Yeah, I am a jeeper we have we started out with our first Jeep in 2019 it was a JK and we loved it Unfortunately totaled it on the way out to Colorado. And so now we're in a JL you but I can't you know the places that we go tend to be places far away and You know really adventurous type destinations and I can't I can't really wrap my head around Going without a spare But you know folks that are folks that are in off-road parks and things and really want that extra Departure, you know, I get it but not probably not for me Yeah, I and also to this the whole idea of putting a tramp stamp on your Jeep. You'll love Jeep I don't know. I guess stickers are like tattoos though That's the the only tattoos that I approve of is the the ones on the on the stickers on the jeeps So tell me if you don't mind tell me about the the totaling of the Jeep Was it one that you were in when it got totaled or hopefully not? You know was Certainly protected us we had a

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IDO, join the wave! Toledo G Fest is back. Toledo G Fest presented by Dana is August 2nd through the fourth downtown Toledo. Catch the Yark All G Parade, Park and Shine, Car Show and Vendor Midway. Live music, delicious food and fun for the entire family. (laughs) Details, they're working on it right now. Details at ToledoGFest.com. So Greg Henderson's with us today in his active shop, as you can hear in the background. - Yeah, you might hear a couple of noises here and there. My son is currently fabricating a project. He's in a back room with the door shut, but we still have a little bit of noise. Again, Unofficial Use Only is not a giant shop where, you know, we do big things in a very small shop. So there's definitely gonna be a few background noises, but he stopped with the plasma cutting and the grinding. So he's in another room for a bit. - Doing man shit in a man shop, is this gonna be noisy? - Yes. - All right, on tonight's episode in our news stories, flat towing a Jeep, surely, or I should say surely, you know about flat towing Jeeps, Greg, because you're gonna be the one that we're gonna be talking to about it. - I do know a thing or two about flat towing a Jeep. - Good, and the Gladiator update, and yes, this is raising its ugly head again, Greg. You'll see where I'm going with this later. Lower control arm skids. And it's basically the subtitle is "Why the Hell Not?" and "Must Have for Your Jeep Recovery Kit." - Are you ready? - It's time for the Jeep Dog Show with hosts Tony, Josh, Wendy, and Chuck. - And Greg, you probably don't remember. This is the part where you introduce yourself, but we've kind of already done that. - Hi, I'm Greg Henderson from Unofficial Use Only, and I'm proud, well, I don't know about proud, but I'm really excited to do a few of these episodes and see where it goes. I've been a very happy listener of the Jeep Talk Show for a long time, and I do the Zoom Room stuff, so it's really fun to kind of help you host a little bit. - Oh, yeah. - And see if it works and if it helps out. And if anybody wants to hear any of the drivel that comes out of my mouth. - And you've been actually getting some feedback from people enjoying you on the show, haven't you? - I don't know, I haven't read any of it. (laughing) - Okay, so I don't want to talk about it, all right. - I did get a couple phone calls from people saying that they really liked the edition, but again, I have not gone on the YouTubes or anything and read any of the comments, because even you said that there was a couple. And hopefully they're not all bad. - No negative ones, that they're always positive for the show. Occasionally we get a couple of negatives, but they're fun. They're fun to get negatives. - Right. Well, and hey, all comments are good comments, right? If you think something that I say or something that Tony says is drivel, let us know. - Oh, absolutely. - It's really important to get the feedback. Like even on my personal channels, on my anything unofficial use only on Facebook or Instagram or YouTube, I don't censor anything ever. - No. - If all comments are good comments, because it helps me learn and it helps me grow as a person. So, if you don't like something that I do, please let me know, it's important. - Yeah, I'm absolutely the same way here. The whole show is just like that. We don't mind any comments. We always share all those comments with everybody. I mean, if you do a review, we read them here on the show. All right, Greg. So, I don't know if you've heard about this or even care. There is a recall for 94,000 wranglers. Well, a possible recall for 94,000 wranglers. And it's the 2021 through current four by ease. - What's the recall? Cause I know they've had a few. - So, the US government's auto safety agency is investigating a potential loss of motive, which confuses the hell out of me. I mean, it's not motivated. Anyway, a loss of motive power in more than 94,000 Jeep Wrangler four by ease vehicles, after receiving complaints for cars outside the scope on early recall involving an engine shutdown condition in the same SUV model. So, I take this to mean that it won't go. You press the little skinny thing and it doesn't go. - That sounds like that might be what it is, but I don't know either. - I wonder if they charged it. That might be the case. - It's possible. Maybe they didn't charge it or they had their door open before they put it in gear and it won't go.

How do I how do I challenge this for 26 I'm putting in it. Oh, that's right I forgot he sees he is putting a himmy in there in there because he just didn't have enough oomph out there at the Yeah, I wish I know you wanted to I wish you could have come because it was fun Seeing that group because there was a harder core group on the fourth annual Jeep talk show off-road event and I was with the the easy group, but it did more difficult stuff than what I had done But it was fun. We crossed paths and Zabo was trying to climb up an embankment. I forget which one it was. You may remember it Larry just from the chat on the discord but a couple people had to be winched up it and But I think I can't remember if Rick was if he got winched or not I don't think so So it was it's interesting how you see some of the majorly built jeeps having difficulties And then you have like Rick's TJ that was able to be able to accomplish it. I mean, it's the length. It's the tires It's the the balls of the driver Yeah, then there's that 3,000 pounds lighter. Oh, that's very true. That's very true All right on tonight's episode a modern day Jeep rust I got you know That was something that we I just hated there was so many rusty vehicles back in like the the late 70s early early 80s Nice off-road vehicles that were very rusty and you know We were in the early 80s You know We I mean, it's not like we're right on the Gulf. It's like 60 miles away from where I've lived and But you still get this rust. I'm a yeah my Nova the the wheel wells in the rear Rusted out on me and it was just so depressing to see that type thing and nobody Well, I think that's why we live in California, by the way Mm-hmm, and and nobody knew how to do Bondo properly because you could put six inches of thick Bondo to fix that Fender Yeah, that would fall off, you know like a mud so But but yeah, that's a modern-day Jeep rust So we'll be talking about that and newbie nuggets Wendy shares the kinds of animals you may see on the trails Is this a derogatory thing? Are you talking about the people that don't pick up after themselves? Yes, sasquatch In Fabricating frenzy with Larry other tools you need for the trail. Oh, this is good. I like this one This could go along with the the animals that are out there on the trail And then the most have stuff for your Jeep one person hard top and storage solution say it isn't so seriously You know, I've known about this for a while and I was just cruising around looking for something to report on today And I saw this. Oh, of course. This is wonderful. They show women using it, you know So it's it's not really a modern-day good advertising, but it's like even a woman can do it All right, so let's get this get this show started well, I guess technically has started are you ready? It's time for the Jeep dog show with host Tony Josh Wendy and Chuck Well, howdy, it's Wendy and in this episode what animals do you see when you wheel? Hmm. Hi, I'm Larry. When was the last time you broke down on the trail? Oh, man. Do you guys ever see Bobcats? I don't know if they're if they're in your area or not. We have Bobcats here. I've never seen one But I've recently seen them on the tic-tac and Instagram and they just look like a fun Claw you to death animal to have yeah bigger than life-sized cat kitty cat I wouldn't try to hold that one or give him a bath. That would be the fun All right, so oh let's yeah, we have a voicemail here from DR I'm not used to the voice knows you guys call in the voicemails. We love hearing from you G talk show this is me DR out in Utah. I just finished listening to An interview. I don't know if there's any of you what but was Greg Henderson on there and I am a patreon subscriber now. I'm a cheapskate, but I bought the cheapest one I have to do that because I'm poor. Yes. I don't know. I don't think I'm I'm poor. My wife is rich, but anyway So I'm like Greg when you went up to Forest Service, and I really like Greg. I really do. I respect it because I I'm a Scotsman and I do have a kill and I wear my The Forest Service told me one damn time that I could not wear my fucking kill I guarantee you I would have my balls and I would show them I am gonna wear my kill Greg grossing balls Tell them you're doing something for them Damn what you want? I don't like the Forest Service, but I do like them they do do good things, but they yeah do a lot of shady shit, too Like the blue Corliss and blue redman correlation bill anyway Keep up the good work. Love the show Now whenever he said Greg show them your balls I thought he was talking about something some pants that yeah Crotchless panties or something those are two words to never go together kilton balls Well and wait a minute and show me like that show me yeah, Missouri is a show We get all those together So I don't know if both of you guys know about this and I think it was something that came about on our roundtable Conversation

I mean, I think that's a win. I feel like I've only had one. No, I'm serious though. They're very few and far between. And I don't blame them because I mean, could you imagine having to deal with kids for a job and maybe you go home and you have to deal with kids of your own? So. Your kids are enough as children. So I'm good. Well, actually, actually that's one of the fun things I think about doing this show is that we get to help entertain and teach people and you at High Lift Off Road, you get to see the joy and maybe to the frustration when they don't understand how things work as far as why can't I have a 22-inch wheel in my Jeep? It's so cool looking. And they can, of course, but we suggest them away from that for technical reasons. The drivability really should be number one. And we try to always make that happen. So anyway, like I was saying, Power Nation, Joe Elmore, a true icon in the world of automotive and travel television, Joe, the beloved host of shows like Horsepower TV, Muscle Cars, passed away in the early hours Monday, June 17th. He was 80 years old, leaving behind a legacy that spans decades and touches countless lives. Joe's rise to prominence in the automotive world began with Horsepower TV. That's the one I remember him on the most. That was fun. Those engines. And they did do at least I think a couple of times the Jeep 4.0 liter engine. Yeah, that was a lot of fun because they were getting some really amazing horsepower out of those things. Naturally aspirated, not a supercharger or turbo or any of that stuff. Yeah, I call that cheating. I mean, I don't mind Horsepower anyway you get it, but I mean, I've been around it a lot lately. So yeah. It was a lot of fun. His expertise and ability to explain technical details clearly and engagingly. That's what I was saying earlier. He was a good teacher, inspired countless enthusiasts to start their own projects. And I think that's one of the wonderful things that a teacher can do. And his title wasn't a teacher, but I think that's what he was doing. He was helping you understand this is something you can do too. And that's what I hope we do here. I hope so. Any knucklehead can do what we do. That's right. I mean, you can go to YouTube, you can come to us. We team building in Spiker. Here we go. Exactly. So was there, is there any kind of shows or anything that you were inspired by or individuals that you were inspired by like Joe has inspired me? You know, personally, so my dad was all about being in the garage working on Harley's. So that was my first experience with Garage Time as a little girl. And I loved it so much. He rebuilt a sports store that he received and it was so much fun to watch him and his buddies do it. And I learned so much about that, the Garage Time importance, the camaraderie that it brings. So it's not just working on, let's say the Harley or the Jeep or the vehicle, but there's a camaraderie that happens. Oh yeah. Garage Time is really important. So I feel like that show, Horsepower TV did bring that about as well. It's almost like the original. I mean, now we watch things on YouTube. A lot of people have shows, which is great, but that was almost like the original Garage Time that we could all join in on from anywhere. Yeah, it was a lot of fun and it was a well-produced show. I think it's still on, but ever since we got rid of, I call it cable. I mean, I can call it cable so people can identify, but ever since we got rid of Satellite TV, I cut the cord. A lot of these shows that were just available to me so easily are, you know, you have to go look and find or install on the app. Yeah. So because it's harder, I really haven't kept up. It's like, I told you, I mentioned, because I like name dropping. We interviewed Stacey David and I did not know that Stacey David is still doing gears. So he was on Horsepower TV and then he moved off onto his own. And I think he's been doing gears for like 13, 14 years, but he's still doing it. And it's on YouTube. So I can just go to YouTube and watch the games now. So it's anytime and rewatch anytime. Exactly. That's a wonderful thing about On Demand.

All right, you boys and girls, it's time for another Jeep Talk Show interview. Today, we're going to be talking with Randy from Progressive Suspension. Randy has been involved with suspension, construction and tuning for over three decades. He looks like he's 30, so I don't get this. Working with multiple prominent race teams during the time to develop intricate understanding of its inner workings. For the past six years, he has brought his knowledge of know how suspension mechanics to the progressive suspension team to assist in developing the company's first automotive shocks in its 40 year history. He's a true believer in the patented frequency sensing technology that lives at the heart of every shock progressive suspension produces for the Jeep market. Randy, thanks a lot for being here with us today. I'm glad you made time for us and look at this, man. You're all set up with displays and everything. So I need to make sure we did well, we actually have two shows. We have a audio only show and then we have the audio video that we do on YouTube. So if you want to see what I'm talking about, you need to go to YouTube, to our YouTube channel so you can see this. Randy, thank you for being with us. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having us as a company as well. So really appreciate you guys reaching out and just really, really excited to be a part of this for the fact that we have something that's very unique and it's good to be able to tell that that side of the story for our brand. So I think everybody at some point in their life, maybe not with their Jeep, but I think everybody at some point in their life knows what a bad shock will do on a vehicle Jeep or otherwise. It just gets bouncy or it's rough or something like that. What do you do or what does a progressive suspension do to help the Jeep other than just, you know, slapping another, maybe a longer Jeep, Jeep, a longer shock if you have a lift. What is the progressive suspension? Why should I buy progressive suspension shocks for Jeep or any aftermarket shocks as far as that goes? So a lot of times aftermarket shocks in general, they're good. A lot of different brands out there are good for a lot of different things. So ours is a little bit unique, but we'll talk about another other manufacturers when they have external adjustments, which means you can either adjust the rebound, which would be down here lower on the shock or sometimes on the body or the body itself will have a compression adjuster, which is usually the low speed. If it's got a dual system on it, which is a low speed, high speed, I mean, it's a little more tricky. The good thing about that is that you can adjust it however you want. When we started our testing, we've used a lot of different other manufacturers to get a baseline of where we need to be. So by doing that, it takes I got a five mile loop by my house and our first of all, our engineering team is second to none. One of the guys that left his name Scott Hodgins put a lot of time and effort of this and worked with FST for a really long time. And we have Darrell and his team now that have taken over now that Scott has gone. And it is just really easy to work with this engineering team. I work with John really close on doing valving and stuff on it. But the good thing about external adjustments for any other brand out there is that you can tune it to be able to go ahead and have it off road capabilities. Be amazing. And then you're going to have to get out and put all your settings back in and then go in and hit the street or you're going to do light trail stuff, which is another. So you have to get settings for everything, which is which is fine if you're a tinker or you're a tuner. Just to give you an example, for me to tune a set of shocks that we had, it took me four hours in a five mile loop. I and that that loop is part of going past my house. And I think on the like 13th loop, my wife, my wife looked at me and said, that's it. I can't pass home. Just take me home. She's like, you're constantly pulling over. You're constantly tuning it. But I mean, she gets it. That's that's part of what I do. And I I nerd out on it, to be honest, I really do nerd out on it. So by the time I figured out, I write those settings down and then I got to go up in the dirt and figure out what it does in the dirt and write all that stuff down and figure all that out. With this system, because of the piston, it's kind of hard to see, but there's small ports right here. There's one taken apart. But these small holes inside of this thing, what it is is there is our piston has an o-ring that goes over it more like a Dalron ring. It's not a rubber o-ring. It won't roll on itself as it goes together with this piston does. As this this o-ring will move up and down and that's determining compression to make it either stiffer or harder. Some people would say and rebound as it goes down. It'll add rebound to it, which means

This Jeep Talk Show episode, the flagship episode is brought to you by you, the listener. And we gotta have you guys, you know that. We love you. Even if we don't love you, we say we do. I'm Tony and welcome to the Jeep Talk Show, the premier show for Jeep enthusiasts and hardcore off-roaders. Whether you're new to the Jeep world or a seasoned Jeeper, we've got you covered with the latest news, tips, and advice to help you get the most out of your Jeep. On tonight's episode, we're in our news stories, what tire do you buy? No, don't panic, it's not gonna be one of those things exactly which tire to buy. It's really gonna be a discussion about tires and just how damn confusing it is and how many of the tire manufacturers out there. And I think we have a perfect person to help us in this discussion. And it's Greg from Unofficial Use Only. And also too, we're gonna be talking about do you Jeep wave? We recently have been talking a lot about ducking Jeeps. What about this other thing that is kind of unique to Jeepers, the Jeep wave? In Newbie Nuggets, Wendy discusses what Jeepers do on Independence Day. And then they must have stuff for your Jeep, additional tie downs for your Gladiator Trail Rail System. - Are you ready? It's time for the Jeep Talk Show with hosts Tony, Josh, Wendy, and Chuck. - Well, Howdy, it's Wendy. And what do you do to celebrate Independence Day with your Jeep? Hmm, we'll explore that. - And hi, first time on the show, my name is Greg Henderson. I own a little shop called Unofficial Use Only and I build Jeeps. - Gee Greg, that reminds me of the book of revelations with the Mark of the Beast where you have to be marked on your forehead. (both laughing) - The Mark of the Beast. - Yes, but you have to explain it Tony to the people who can't see us on YouTube because they're listening. - Well, it's really simple. All they have to do is go to YouTube and watch, damn it. (both laughing) - But it's so cool, just for you now. - No, absolutely you're right. So Greg is with us today and he was wearing a nice Jeep Talk Show sticker on his forehead. And it also could be used for blackhead removal from your nose. - Yeah, well, I felt left out because I'm sitting here and getting ready for the show and getting ready for the intro. And I see you've got the Jeep Talk Show hat and Wendy has a sticker on her microphone. So I had to play along and give myself a sticker. - Absolutely, thank you, I love that. That's absolutely wonderful. All right, so let's, we got a voicemail in from Steve-O. He's from Illinois. And he has a comment about a recent thing we talked about on the show. - Hey Tony, Steve-O from Illinois. Hey, just calling about the last episode. You talked about the rock hard. For my four skids for the lower control arms. I put those on. Let me tell you, the pictures online don't do those things justice. They are solid. I put them on before EJS in 2024. I have no regrets, pretty much. It took some hits, kept on going. My only complaint with them is the bolts they supply to replace the stock bolts are SAE and not metric. That I just think is an over said on their part, but it's annoying because now you got to carry these sockets when everything else in the DMG is. - I got you. - So. - I thought he was going for a joke there because one's better than the other, but I'm fine with that. - Yeah, he's just talking about having to carry extra tools. - Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Greg, are you familiar with lower control arm skid plates? - Yeah, I'm very familiar with lower control arm skids. They really do help in a lot of different ways, depending on the terrain that you're tackling. And he mentioned that he had the Rockhard ones and I will say Rockhard is a phenomenal company made in USA. The original owner is still involved. It's a really great company. I've used their cages and lots of other parts. So they really put a lot of effort into building beefy stuff.

This is the only show where you can hear Jeep owners talk about things like mud rocks and giant tires and not get weird looks. So strap in, grab your favorite beverage and get ready to laugh, learn and have a damn good time. On tonight's episode, we're going to be doing a news story about International House of Pancakes. Oh, that's not right. International Four Wheel Drive Training Association, Trainers Association. I can't get it right. Even if when I'm reading the off the documents here, the in our Jeep Gladiator update. A fix for the SAGs with these door pockets. Yeah, we're talking about Greg's door pockets again, and it's just too damn bad, Greg. You're gonna have to talk about them. It's what I want to do. Must have for your Jeep trail, trailgate drop down table. You don't have to be an overlander to make use of this, but do put a pad down if you're going to use it for changing diapers. It's just sanitary. Are you ready? It's time for the Jeep Talk Show. We're going to be doing a new episode of the International House of Pancakes. It's time for the Jeep Talk Show with hosts Tony, Josh, Wendy, and Chuck. See, I didn't remind you about introducing yourself. I was going to see if you, you know, if you've done this once before, I was going to see if you introduced yourself after the intro. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm slow. So yeah, I'm the surrogate Chuck or Wendy today. And again, super honored to even be asked, but my name is Greg Henderson. I own a very small company called Unofficial Use Only, where for the past, I don't know. Oh no. Oh no. Yeah. So well, so I officially started unofficial use only in 2016. So we're on year eight of building, you know, kind of one of a kind unique vehicles. We do them for SEMA and we do them for private individuals or private companies who do them who don't, who want to showcase their own parts. So I'm the guy that cuts them up and makes them crazy looking. And but I strive on functional. So you might've seen some of my builds like the JTE or the YJL or path killer or Frankenbrute or you know, dozens of others, but or even like right behind me, I'm working on a TJ Brute, which is pretty cool. So I didn't think I was going to see another one of those being built. So that was really cool. And not only one, but I'm building two. So this, this is the first one. Uh, and this gentleman found a Brute kit, uh, you know, more than 10 years after they've quit being produced and asked me if I would build it. And I wholeheartedly jumped at the chance because the Brute is what got me. It's what got me into the industry. Um, you know, I was a union bricklayer and Jeeps were my hobby. And back in 2007, I got a fateful phone call from one of the guys at Chrysler and he said, Hey, do you want to help me build a Brute? And I jumped in head over fist. So it built a lot of brutes while I was at AEV, uh, loved every single one of them. I think that the design and the excellence of the quality of the parts from AEV is exceptional. So I jumped at the chance to build this one. And as soon as I made the first social media post that I was building another Brute, I got contacted from another gentleman who's in Alaska and he's like, Hey, you want to build my Brute? So now I'm going to build two this summer and pretty excited about it. Um, the gentleman from Alaska, I did run into him in Moab, uh, this year during Easter Jeep Safari because he has another very famous Brute that was owned by a gentleman named Jerry and I don't know, another fateful part. But when Jerry left AEV, I was the guy who was called in to take his place. So, um, you know, that it's kind of cool that this gentleman in Alaska owns Jerry's old Brute and now I'll be building him a Brute and Tony from the Jeep Talk Show is actually going to help me edit some videos and throw some videos out during the course of that Brute build. So that'll be exciting and, uh, you can watch them on unofficial use only on YouTube, or you'll also be able to see a lot of that content right here on the Jeep Talk Show. Yeah. Looking forward to that. You know, and I know that you know this, I've mentioned it several times, the Brute, uh, just really, um, captured my imagination when I first saw it because other than the, like the seventies, uh, trucks, uh, Jeep trucks, there were no trucks. And then the Brute came along and I'm like, Oh, what is that? That is cool. Uh, how do you, how does that, how does that done? And you know, it wasn't until I did a recent interview with somebody at AEV, I had no idea that there was a, uh, and I don't know if it was called the same thing, but basically a Brute, uh, JK. Uh, yep. Yeah. So the, the TJ Brute, well, we'll go all over all the Jeep trucks so we can go way back to the very beginning and, uh, Jeep produced several trucks for the military and then for, um, consumers, so civilians. So they had, um, some pretty obscure ones like the FC, the FC is actually a truck. Oh, is it? That's interesting

The app is badge of honor badge of honor. And then, uh, then with that app, uh, you just, when you're on or near the trail, you can check in using that app if they're cell service. And I think there's a way to do it. Uh, uh, like, um, do it even though you're offline. And then when you get back online, it takes care of it, but you could, if you're, if you're offline, it has a GPS, the program will boot up and it'll say check in. And then once you get off the trail and you get back into cell phone coverage, it will, it will say, it will remind you to, to, uh, and then you request your badge. Yeah. So, and all you have to do is the inner near the, the badge, uh, I'm sorry, inner near the trail, uh, for the badge you want. And then, uh, and you can get it. I think you can actually check into three different trails there at the parking lot of hell's revenge. So when we were at hidden falls, um, I was at Leslie, was that her name? The other, for her first time we left. I think so. Yes. Yeah. So when we were kind of at an impasse or waiting for some people to come by, um, I was asking her, how was it going? And you like, and she said, Oh, I love it. And then I pointed at my honor badges on the side. I was like, have you checked in? She was like, well, I don't know about this. So I was explaining to her, she was super excited about it. So, um, I think it's important for new wheelers to know about it. I think it's just kind of like a rite of passage and whether you put them on your Jeep or you don't, or you have them on your wall at home, I think it just feels good when you get them in the mail and you're like, yeah, I did that. I did that. So she was pretty excited to do it. Yeah. And I would, I would add to those as well. I don't know if it's like, well, back when I was in the service or whatever, when we would be deployed, we go different areas, we'd always look for the patches and we had always kind of bring it back. So I had several patches from like a lot of the bases I was deployed to or operations I was a part of or whatever. It was, it's kind of, I'm not saying it's the same thing, but it's kind of that same collector. Like this is something I went out and accomplished or whatever. So I like them. And I can tell you, I've been to a couple of Jeep shows and had the Jeep out a couple of times. I've got fairly decent builds. I'm not saying it's Sabo's level or whatever, but you know, it's a decent build, but there's more people that come up and point to those badges that are out there. Like that's one of the biggest things everybody comes up and points to on that. Like, did you go to these? Did you go, this is Colorado, this is Arizona. It's like, I'm like, yep, yep. That's, that's why they're on there. So if nothing else, it's a great conversational piece. Exactly. And it goes along with the whole, you know, getting out there and using a Jeep and, you know, once you get brand new wheels on there, like say you went out and swapped them out and they don't have any rock rash or anything on them, you know, everybody's trying to do the whole mall crawler thing. You still got the badges on the side, right? You'd be like, I just haven't scuffed these up yet. Well, that's what, that's what I like about it is, you know, I'll go fill up with gas or I'll, I'll be out even at a mall, but, but if you're, I pulled up at a hotel and guys would walk up and start looking at the badges and they started a whole, it's a whole conversation, whether they're Jeepers and they're interested or whether they're non Jeepers and they're just curious about what it's about. I think it just, it, it reinforces our whole off-road community and brings up awareness. You know, you talked about having trails selected. I mean, that's the way people nominate the trails is really cool trails for their area. And granted, there are some that are really, really super easy, like in Virginia or Florida that you're like, wow, this is like a level two trail. Why is this on here? But it's because it may be one of the better trails they have in that area, but then you get into other areas and you may have seven or eights or nines that you're, that you're asked to run. But I think it's a great program. It's free. You know, I guess, I don't know whether anybody hates on it as much as they hate on things like ducks, but I like to, I put them on the side of my Jeep just to, just to create conversations. Even when I'm hearing down at the beginning of an off-road and I don't know everybody in the group, they start coming up and looking at, like you were saying, John is, oh, you've been to Colorado. Oh, you've been to Moab. You know, it's cool. I'd agree. So, so as far as, you know, being areas, area specific and being the, you know, not necessarily best trails everywhere. So we've got, I think just over a third of them, we've got 23 or 25 badges. And so, you know, just an example, we did a 7,000 mile trek up through Montana and Colorado and stuff last year

Joiiio's mission to enable every Jeep and Bronco to enjoy their vehicle in the way nature intended it. Topless, doorless, we've got you covered or uncovered. So just go over to, I'm just going to say the letters here, just go over to J-O-I-I-I-O.com. Joyo.com and you can get more information on this service. Alright guys, thanks for being here with me. And who is our secondary guest, Ken? Oh yes, to my left is Brandon Schipper. So Brandon's our first employee and he's been managing our operations here as the general manager at Joyo for, on year two now. So Brandon. Awesome, spreading Joyo love out here. You need everybody topless Jeeps and yeah, it's been a good time. So Brandon, is Ken a hard employer that I think he is? Because he's just, you know, he's very mean and mean spirited here on the last episode that we did. He is so mean man. I'm kidding. No. He's like the backbone of Joyo. He's always keeping the vibes high, always keeping customers happy, making us, making sure we're on track in the shop, but always in good fun. So is every Friday pizza day, does he have pizzas brought in on Fridays? I bring in treats though. Healthy treats. Brandon's a crossfitter and a professional water skier and all kinds of other things that are required to be athletic. So we live healthy lifestyles at Joyo. So I try to bring healthy snacks in. We had, we had deer broths earlier this week. We do chia seed bars, all kinds of healthy snacks, not pizza, but if there's pizza, if there's, frankly, if there's any food around, boys will eat it. So what's the, what's the opinion on bacon? If you guys live a healthy lifestyle. Okay, good. I was getting a little concerned about you guys. Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Lots of it. All right, Ken. So either really easy. One of you can take this one. Tell us about the business, what it is that you do. We had a little bit of it there in the intro, but I think you guys have a really cool and unique business that allows people to do things that they may find difficult to do if they're in a town home or an apartment or even in their house, especially when the garages are full with everything else that they can't fit in their house. Well, Tony, thank you for that question. We think so too. As a 37 year old, 37 year Jeep owner through the years, I've just always known people to struggle with everything that we're doing here at Joyo, essentially hardtop removal, storage, soft top installation. If they, if they own a soft top, if you don't own a soft top, we'll, we'll lease you a one for the summer. And we're also selling soft top stops as well. We remove doors. We place with half doors, remove doors for the weekend, remove full tops for the weekend. So any version that summarizes your Jeep that includes soft tops, sun riders and doors, that's what we do. And we do, and we're very, very focused on those, those level of services. We also have just not even by almost by accident, was really not a part of our initial business model. We're doing a lot of repairs on soft tops. Brandon, the guys are just, we've, we've amassed a good, a good selection of parts and backups when people unfortunately hit garage doors and parking ramp things with low clearances. We end up saving some of those parts and pieces. So we had our customer on Friday came in, just called in, did it was walk in and we had both the parts she needed without having to order them. So we're, we're really, you know, our goal is to just get everyone on the road with our soft tops, with no tops, with no doors, and truly enjoy their Jeeps in our opinion, the way it was designed and the way, as we call the way nature intended. So people, and correct me on this, I'm just remembering from last time and from going to your website and looking at the stuff, what people can do if they, if they don't know how to remove their hard top and freedom panels and you guys don't have any, any limit on the Jeeps, right? I mean, you do TJs all the Wranglers, the modern day ones, I would assume the gladiators as well. So it's, if you've got a Jeep that has a top that can be removed, they can take it to you guys like at the start of summer or whenever they want to do it. And then you guys will store it for them and then they don't have to worry about keeping it someplace.

This Jeep Talk Show episode, the flagship episode is brought to you by you, the listener. And we gotta have you guys, you know that. We love you. Even if we don't love you, we say we do. I'm Tony and welcome to the Jeep Talk Show, the premier show for Jeep enthusiasts and hardcore off-roaders. Whether you're new to the Jeep world or a seasoned Jeeper, we've got you covered with the latest news, tips, and advice to help you get the most out of your Jeep. On tonight's episode, we're in our news stories, what tire do you buy? No, don't panic, it's not gonna be one of those things exactly which tire to buy. It's really gonna be a discussion about tires and just how damn confusing it is and how many of the tire manufacturers out there. And I think we have a perfect person to help us in this discussion. And it's Greg from Unofficial Use Only. And also too, we're gonna be talking about do you Jeep wave? We recently have been talking a lot about ducking Jeeps. What about this other thing that is kind of unique to Jeepers, the Jeep wave? In Newbie Nuggets, Wendy discusses what Jeepers do on Independence Day. And then they must have stuff for your Jeep, additional tie downs for your Gladiator Trail Rail System. - Are you ready? It's time for the Jeep Talk Show with hosts Tony, Josh, Wendy, and Chuck. - Well, Howdy, it's Wendy. And what do you do to celebrate Independence Day with your Jeep? Hmm, we'll explore that. - And hi, first time on the show, my name is Greg Henderson. I own a little shop called Unofficial Use Only and I build Jeeps. - Gee Greg, that reminds me of the book of revelations with the Mark of the Beast where you have to be marked on your forehead. (both laughing) - The Mark of the Beast. - Yes, but you have to explain it Tony to the people who can't see us on YouTube because they're listening. - Well, it's really simple. All they have to do is go to YouTube and watch, damn it. (both laughing) - But it's so cool, just for you now. - No, absolutely you're right. So Greg is with us today and he was wearing a nice Jeep Talk Show sticker on his forehead. And it also could be used for blackhead removal from your nose. - Yeah, well, I felt left out because I'm sitting here and getting ready for the show and getting ready for the intro. And I see you've got the Jeep Talk Show hat and Wendy has a sticker on her microphone. So I had to play along and give myself a sticker. - Absolutely, thank you, I love that. That's absolutely wonderful. All right, so let's, we got a voicemail in from Steve-O. He's from Illinois. And he has a comment about a recent thing we talked about on the show. - Hey Tony, Steve-O from Illinois. Hey, just calling about the last episode. You talked about the rock hard. For my four skids for the lower control arms. I put those on. Let me tell you, the pictures online don't do those things justice. They are solid. I put them on before EJS in 2024. I have no regrets, pretty much. It took some hits, kept on going. My only complaint with them is the bolts they supply to replace the stock bolts are SAE and not metric. That I just think is an over said on their part, but it's annoying because now you got to carry these sockets when everything else in the DMG is. - I got you. - So. - I thought he was going for a joke there because one's better than the other, but I'm fine with that. - Yeah, he's just talking about having to carry extra tools. - Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Greg, are you familiar with lower control arm skid plates? - Yeah, I'm very familiar with lower control arm skids. They really do help in a lot of different ways, depending on the terrain that you're tackling. And he mentioned that he had the Rockhard ones and I will say Rockhard is a phenomenal company made in USA. The original owner is still involved. It's a really great company. I've used their cages and lots of other parts. So they really put a lot of effort into building beefy stuff.

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So these dealerships are having to do business manually. Paper, pencil, hell, I don't know, photographs on the phone, just not the way they normally do business. And you certainly can understand that this would make things increasingly and very frustratingly slow not only for the employees, but for the people that are trying to get service or buy a new vehicle. This is the part that you need to pay attention to. So it hurts dealerships if they can't do business for just one day. Can you imagine if it's three or four days they can't sell vehicles? So use this to your advantage Jeepers. Jeep dealerships should have added as incentive to sell you a Jeep at a deeper, could I say jeepers discount. So this is a great time. You know, maybe Saturday, maybe Sunday, go to a Jeep dealership and test the waters, especially if you've been thinking about buying a Jeep because prices are so far down because of a jeep's poor sales in the last, what is it, last year or so. This might be a way to get even more off of that Jeep. You could get a great deal. So we're not down, at least not yet. You can become a Patreon subscriber for 30% off. This is a limited time and a limited number of subscriptions. $3.50 gets you started with free ad content. Sign up for a full year to lock in this rate. This is a great time to become a Patreon subscriber and help support the show you love, the Jeep Talk Show. From around the world or from your city and sometimes just down the street. It's the Jeep Talk Show Interview. Ideal boys and girls, it's time for another Jeep Talk Show interview. And tonight we're going to be talking with Adam. Adam is the founder and event coordinator for jeeping the saloon. I have to really think about that because every time I read it, I think of salon and that would be something completely different, wouldn't it Adam? You ever thought about cutting hair there at the salon? No, I never. I do realize that y'all have the same initials as Jeep and the saloon JTS. Oh yeah, that's right. I didn't think about that. I saw JTS on one of your podcasts or a Patreon and I had to stop and think a minute before I figured out that it was the initials for your show. Well, how long has the saloon been there? How long have they been using JTS? The Rattlesnake saloon? The Rattlesnake saloon has been open since Labor Day 2009. Ah, they got to speed. We started in 2010. All right, so anyway, the annual three day event, Jeep event that's held on the property of the famous Rattlesnake saloon is on Labor Day weekend. Oh my God, I was going to ask you about this. Pronunciate that town for me, please. Tascumbia. Oh, okay. That makes sense now that I hear it. Tascumbia, Alabama. Yep. So you can find out more about jeeping the salon, the salon, jeeping the saloon. I'm a professional over at Facebook. Just go to Facebook and search for jeepin. And that's G, no G on that. G E P I N a little posturphy, the saloon. Adam thanks a lot for being here and putting up with that really, really disconnected interview. I mean, sorry. Oh God, we might as well start over. Really, really bad introduction. I'm just glad to be here and I'm glad to be talking to you and opportunity to be on the show. Oh yeah, sure. We appreciate you being here. It's so funny. Now that I've set the bar really low, it's going to take all the pressure off of you. You can just enjoy yourself. All right. So how long you guys been doing this, this event, the jeeping the saloon? Got it right. Well, this will be our fifth year. Our first year, it was just a guided ride just to see how it would go. And and it was a guy that had right. And we had, I think 311 Jeep show up on the first very first year. Oh my God. And we wrote, we wrote 75 to 100 deep on a single guided ride through the property. Oh, that's got to have been a nightmare. I bet you took you forever. It was great. Well, it was about, it's about two and a half hours on one trail. So just on one trail. So how do you keep 75 to 100 people from stopping every five seconds and getting out and taking a picture, taking a selfie, taking a picture of the Jeep? I don't know, but I was, I was leading my group. Oh, you didn't care because you were leading. Yeah. We had our walkie talkies, you know, but, but I didn't hear any, you know, one, one person didn't know which way to go on a trail. And I had to give my heads up on that. But other than that, my ride went smooth. So do you get a lot of chatter with that many people on the radio?

So you were talking about, uh, the yellow TJ, like I said earlier, a couple of weeks ago, uh, yellow TJ, how did you get the yellow TJ? Yeah. My, um, my dad and my mom, they're wonderful, wonderful people and very supportive of the Jeep community. My dad always knew that, um, he wanted his kids to be safe in a vehicle and I'm actually a twin. So, um, we were having to turn 16 at once can be a little of a, uh, yeah, especially a couple of weeks ago, you know? But, uh, we, I was very fortunate to be able to get the sport. My brother got a white Sahara and, um, we had a great time in high school, driving those things to school and messing with each other on the road. And, um, it was great. I really liked, and I had that Jeep for 19 years. Actually, there we go. There's the age coming out. Um, but I put that thing and unfortunately I wish I would've known what I know now. It led me to what I'm doing now. Um, or I would've kept it. I didn't realize the gem that I have with that solar yellow color. Was it a four cylinder or a six cylinder? It was the four cylinder. It's a damn good thing. You got rid of it. I know. It didn't have the half doors, which you know, the Mopar half doors are hard to find now. So, um, if you cap it, if you cap it, you could have had them installing a himmy in there right now and killed yourself on the first drive. I know. Hop and wheelies doing all the things. So I did drive across the country a few times with my mom. I used to work on dude ranches growing up. So, um, through college and I thought, well, you got to have your Wrangler. You're going to be a Wrangler. So, uh, we did a couple of road trips to get out West in that thing, um, with the soft top and the half doors. It was a little noisy. So we bought a TJ, I guess maybe 12 years ago is used. Uh, and, uh, when, when we got it, both my wife and I wanted a TJ from way back when the first Jeep that we got was a 98 XJ Cherokee XJ. Um, so we finally got the TJ and the first thing that we did was took all the top and everything off. Uh, and I can't remember, I think we had two doors, maybe not. It might've been completely doorless and we took off, uh, on a run through, uh, around central Texas, nothing, no, really no highways, some highways, but mostly just two lane roads, lot of trees, a lot of cows, a lot of yelling moo out the, out of the other Jeep. And it was so much fun, but we couldn't talk. It was just too loud, 40, 50 miles an hour. Even it's just, it's just too loud. And yeah, I've never come up with a, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I never made it to get the license of a private pilot, but I did a lot of flying. So you know, and that you had to have a headset system, intercon system. If you wanted to talk to your passenger, and this is kind of the same thing that the Jeepers need if you're, if you're driving any distance off road, because if you want to, if you want to hell, if you just want to listen to music, you need a intercom system. So I've never found one that was cost effective because they make them all for airplanes. And if it's airplanes, it's very expensive. Yes, it is. I mean, that's good though. Try once, you know? Yeah. Well, that's true. All right. So, uh, anyway, yellow Jeep, you had it for 19 years. So you, so you got it when you were like a negative 20 or something. So, uh, that was fun. Uh, how long ago did you, uh, did you sell the, the, the TJ and I'm assuming you sold it. Uh, I did know. I traded it in for credit. How long after you sold it, did you realize it was a mistake?

Jeep under $25,000, not $25,000, not $26,500, not $27,000, not $24,000. Well, I guess it could be $24,999. Yeah. It would be a way to work that. But wait a minute. I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean you're talking about our Jeep. You're talking about one of the brands underneath Jeep. Is that what you're thinking? One of the models. Yeah. So they're talking about bringing the dreaded renegade back. Okay. Well, they've got a place. It does. And it's actually a little capable vehicle off-road. I mean, it's very deep in the earth and there's fire and lava, but they do have a place. But how are they bringing it back? Like, are they just gonna? E V of course. Of course. As they take the gas away. Great. Mm hmm. I don't know this to be true, but I suspect that a lot of this has to do with Tesla's drive to have a $25,000 EV sub $25,000. And I think, and I respect Jeep for actually going this direction because they need to be able to compete with Tesla as do all the other manufacturers need to be able to compete with Tesla. But I think Ford's already thrown in the towel. It's going to be interesting on that renegade. Like where are they going to put the batteries? Because it's already a small little compact thing. It's a trailer. Yeah. So many of them nowadays use that roller skate that basically it's just the lower chassis, the batteries in the floor, whatever. What body do you want? Exactly. Mm hmm. And the battery pack or whatever is actually, well, at least in Tesla, it's actually the part of the vehicle. It's the midsection that the front and the back bolt onto or however they do it. So it's an integral piece of the body or of the frame. Be interesting. Yep. So the Jeep Renegade will return in 2027 with an electric power train and starting price under $25,000. Jeep will also launch a new generation of the compass. Oh, thank God. As well as refresh the rest of the gas powered lineup. So that actually means it's going to, they're going to be doing something to the Jeeps that we consider Jeeps. So then if they get a big version, will it be a grand compass? It's going to be one of those really fancy compasses that the kid and the Boy Scouts had you and you just hated them because it folded out, did all this kind of crap and you could eyeball it. So compasses, those compasses were pretty cool. They didn't know how to use them, but they sure did act like they knew. But anyway, after killing off the Renegade sub-combat SUV in 2023, which I think all gave us hope, Jeep has decided to bring the Renegade back in 2027 only reincarnated as a EV. And if you've been hiding under a bush, that's electric vehicle. Outside of an official name and segment, the 2027 Renegade EV will be a new model that has little in common with its gas fed predecessor. So they're going to redesign it as well? Like it'll be a different body style. Well, like Larry was saying, I think they're going to have to at least the portion where the batteries go. Well, so I understand that, but you know, it kind of has its own draw that little boxiness to it and squareness to it. So I don't know. Yeah. But if you look at all the models Stellantis makes, there's so many small cars that if you will, any one of those can be retrofitted to an EV and you're not wheeling with this thing anyway. So we really, what you're talking about is an on-road vehicle with a Jeep brand. It's an EV. So it doesn't really matter. It fits the mandate of, Hey, we got EVs, but we'll not have to go after the stuff that we like. Why? And it's small. So that means it should be lightweight minus the batteries. And those are the kinds of things you need for any kind of decent range in an EV. Yeah. Let's call it what it is. Cafe standards come down. If the more of those EVs you sell, the better cafe standards are. They also are having issues selling EVs right now. I mean, if you look at any kind of news thing about any vehicle, they're all having problems. They're struggling. I mean, look at how many customers are sitting and waiting to be sold that are just sitting around. Well, they're expensive. They all are, you know? Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, I'll go back to the cell phone technology. Whenever the cell phones were only being used for playing snake and making phone calls, those were really nice. It was amazing to have that level of technology where you could just be pretty much anywhere as long as you were close to a major thoroughfare and you could make and receive phone calls. You could make and receive phone calls while you were driving around. Oh my God. The technology was amazing. And then smartphones started coming out. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but the Motorola flip phone was the phone to have. That was like Star Trek. And then the smartphones came out and now you can do all the same things you were doing before, but you can load up apps and the battery life was a lot longer and not at first, but it got longer. And now can you imagine having that Motorola flip phone or the Nokia phone that the things were Bulletproof. They were wonderful. Oh, the Blackberry, which was a big thing back then. That was big. Yeah. So that was all replaced with the smartphones. I mean, they break easier, but just having the ability to do so many things with it. And do any of you guys talk on the things anymore? I mean, it's text messaging, it's sending messages on social media. There's direct messaging and then there's not even, I mean, I think most people use text messages because who has time to talk on the phone? Yeah. I still use the phone.

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- Not somewhat yes, dear, but yes, there is just dear. - So I've mentioned it already on one of the other episodes, but I wanna mention this again. Bill and John Lee were the primary people behind this. Bill, you correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you guys were the two that were responsible for all the configuration and the Thursday run and the Friday run. All that is stuff you guys came up with on your own. And feel free to say that John wasn't a part of it at all. - No, it was a joint effort. And so Friday I kind of took the lead on Friday for the Little Hill Country Ride and barbecue outing. And then Saturday John was leading the group ride for the easy group or whatever. And then Zabo and team were on another group with I think the Platinum Off-Road guys were there doing kind of their own run. But I would say I probably got the better part of that deal in terms of barbecue and not having to get in and out of my vehicle. I think John was in and out of his vehicle nonstop. And at the end of the day, the sun burnt and wore out and he was like, "I'm done wheeling. I just wanna sit in my chair and drink a beer and smoke some cigars." - He did a wonderful job. I mean, certainly trail riding, but we had a brand new lady out there from the standpoint of she had a Jeep. It was, as far as I remember, it was not modified. And she was an absolute beginner. She had never taken her Jeep off-road before. And I am just so proud that she came out. I think we talked about it last Zoom meeting because she was messaging me on, or really rather the show on Instagram. - Yeah, you never did post her picture. - But she doesn't have any pictures online. I did apologize for you guys. I mean, I invited her to the Discord server and did apologize how you guys act on the Discord server. And she says, "I work with men in oil and gas. I'm fine." - Yeah, I mean, he had scrapes from some fall on the trail and bruises and sunburnt. And so, like I said, I think I got the better end of that deal. - John Lee looked like he'd been put through the ringer. That's for sure. - Were you the tail gunner, Bill? - I was, yeah. On the day two, I'm like, "I'm gonna sit here in the back and hang out with Andrew or whatever." - So your job was basically, yeah, we all made it over the obstacle. - Yeah, it was to help with the stragglers and just keep things moving. - So, yep. - So how was the barbecue? - It was good. Yeah, I got some to go and had it for dinner later on that night, so. - Yep, same here. Barbecue, it was a very unique experience. That's the first time I've been to a pit barbecue like that where you actually line up in front of the pit first, you go through and you pick out what you want. And they got everything in that pit. Pick out what you want. And then they wrap it all up in this pail and take it in and cut it all up for you. And then while they're doing that, you go in and you pick out your sides and stuff. And they're extremely, extremely friendly, extremely helpful. It was a very, very pleasant experience. And the food was good, really good. - I mean, good brisket barbecue is just, it's heavenly. It's wonderful if you find a good place. - Yeah. - That's Rick from Arkansas by the way. I know I forgot to introduce myself. - All right, well, man. - Yeah, I was curious to see what you guys thought of that, that ride on their little hill country ride. I mean, it wasn't technical by any means unless you consider the heat as technical and you're Rick driving out there at no top in the dust and all that, but I'd be curious to kind of get some feedback on what you guys thought of that. - Yeah, it's a good thing to do next year. I think is where Bill's gone with that. - Yeah, Rick from Arkansas again. I enjoyed it. It was just, it was a nice leisurely, no pressure type of deal. We just kind of cruise through. And like you said, through the countryside, I saw a lot of Texas countryside that I would not have got to see other than the, I mean, the dusty rocky stuff, like in the picture behind me.

Well, everything... One of them's got a piece of tape over it, so even if they did turn them on, they put the tape over them at the... When the trucks come in. Hey, Robert, John, Bill and I think Aquaman or Mindsarlet, they're doing a fire if you want to go join them over there. Or if you want to sit in the AC, I don't fucking blame you. So it's 99 degrees out and you guys are doing a fire? I'm not. I'm in my fucking house in a... It was 99 this afternoon. Who bit? Who bit? But it wasn't bad. I survived. That's why they call it. That's right. Yeah, I was trying to catch a jackrabbit. He ran out of the hole. So you're saying he failed. Yeah, it's all about the top off. But man, as soon as I walked outside and felt the heat, I'm like, fuck that. Not on the four and a half hour drive. How many people do you have there, John? Well, right now, just a couple of us, Rick, Bill, Garrett, my. Well, I think Robert's down hell at the 10 site. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're. We're. Yeah, I'm not sure. You just keep coming down the road towards Area B at the general store and look for the Starlight Hotel room that has all the jeeps out front. OK. And the upside down pineapple. None of that. Wrong weekend. Wrong weekend. You got to come back. Chips out there. Back later. Andrew, are you going? Yeah, I had some shit come up at work, so I was going to drive over there tonight, but unfortunately, I'm not going to be driving until tomorrow afternoon. Go out there. So the LJ you're taking the LJ, right? Yeah, I'm waiting for the sun to go down before I go load it up on the trailer. Yeah. Oh, OK. I thought you were going to drive. Don't fall on your ass this time. Thank you. Thanks, Dino. Wouldn't that be weird if we. If I went again, we thought we all forgot that, right? I was hoping you fuckers dead. No. We never forget someone else's misery. That's true. It was a champion. He was a champ about it. Got a broke tail. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And we're going to fucking video about it, which is glorious. Oh, yeah. That's the real world was awesome. You got to mute. I'm going to mute. You're not. Am I not muted? No. Gosh. I used to be in on my phone, so it's not muted. What? It's, it's, I'll be there tomorrow night all the way from Tijuana. The Ethan, you're with us to kill. That is the racist sound of Mexican accent. I thought it was pretty good. You thought it was pretty good. Yeah. Well, the expert just gave you a pass. 833. That was right. Yeah. Sunset. Yeah. Oh, the Rob needs to chop chop. I mean, fuck you and fucking bill will get there in about five seconds. I'll drive with the deals. I tune machines. I got a three point. That's everyone else you got to wait for. What's my tune about my little tiny V6? The fucking shocks. Don't. Dude, I'll tell you this. There was a old TJ and a glad you had absolutely no problem keeping up with us today. Yeah. We didn't midnight run. We did a lot of trails. That's a new trail. Yeah. We didn't reduce trail that we had done. We're going midnight run. Yeah. Garret's had damage to prove it. We've got a new, he needs a new bumper. Don't. That's a still rear bumper. It's still. Yeah. Fuck the real buffer. What the hell he hit. It's Chinese. And that's my bro. It was a little bit of a, it's a gladiator. A little bit of a drop off. Yeah. We'll drop off. Fucking huge drop off. No, you know, I don't like climb up 45. Like you come up at a 45 degree angle up off of the right or take off the big ass drop. It was like a big dip where you go down and you come back up. And so, yeah, this wouldn't have been a trail. You probably done Andrew. Cause we hadn't done it. This was, I remember there was one trip. It was the guy from. So I'll mention really quick, what they're talking about is being out at a hidden balls adventure park for the fourth annual Texas Jeep talk show off road event, Texas. And, uh, Bill, John, a few other people are there on Thursday. Uh, and of course you're listening to this on Tuesday, but this is a prior to the big event on Saturday, the eighth. And, uh, yeah, so they're out there having a bit of fun and you get to be a part of it through our episode here. Yeah, I did it on my 31st. It was not a fun time. That bit of Well, there was a lot of stuff on that trail.

- That's a good shot of Steve. So if you guys don't know, I mean, I know you get frustrated. I know you get frustrated. - Oh, you mother fuckers. (laughing) - Hey, leave the short fat man alone. He was hungover, man. Come on now. - I know you guys get frustrated when we talk about things that you can see on the round table, the Zoom meeting here. - I'll be a part of the round table. - Well, that, and you can also watch the episode on YouTube. Just go over to JeepTalkShow.com and find the YouTube link or go straight to YouTube and just do a search for Jeep Talk Show. You'll find us. Every episode we do is now with live video or recorded live video on YouTube. All right, so if some of you guys might be remembering some of these questions from last week, well, that was because we didn't get to all the questions. I think we did one question last week. But it was great, because it was a great conversation. It actually wasn't just about that one question either. All right, so I thought this was kind of a cool question. I've thought about this before, but I don't know what the answer would be. If two Jeeps crash into each other on the trail ride or while rock crawling, who pays for the damage? - I've always been told the guy going uphill has the right of way. Because it's easier to roll downhill than it is to go uphill. So if two Jeeps are coming face to face and one guy's going up, you got to get out of his way and just be courteous and know that he's having the hardest time. So don't be a D-bab. - Well, I mean, that might keep the accident from occurring, but what if the accident does occur? That might be a way of establishing who's at fault. - Yeah, I don't know. - Might be a solution from the Discord channel. I would say whoever's got the most trail cams to catch the footage. (laughing) - This is Larry's fault. - Oh my God. - This is Matt from North Carolina. He's both have steel bumpers, so it shouldn't matter. - This is Larry from St. Louis. I would say it just depends on how much damage we're talking about. You guys bump each other on the trail, then you just go about your own way. We talk about you really destroyed somebody's Jeep because you were being an a-hole on a trail. That's all yours. - Right, but how do you establish fault? How do you establish who's going to be paying? I mean, there's a possibility that there's the person doesn't even have liability insurance for an off-road only vehicle. They should, but there's always a possibility they don't have that. - Well, an off-road, you don't have to have a street legal vehicle out there on the trail. So there's Jeeps 24-7 where we are in URE. There's Jeeps that are not legal on the road, but they're on the trail. I was actually with Matt a few weekends back. We're going up backside of Diggy Bell, I believe, and we're in a traffic jam, and there's Jeeps coming down above me on not so much a trail, but above me to my driver's side, and I'm just watching this guy, and I'm like, he's going to roll over on me. It's just going to roll down into my Jeep. Nothing happened, it didn't, but at that point, I'm sitting still just waiting for traffic. They decided to go around every which direction, and yeah, I do have dashcams. I have everything set up. I was sitting still, but it would have been on him. I've also seen side by side jump on top of the Jeep in URE, just literally being jackass idiots roll over on top of the Jeep. - Sounds like a good old ass and an ass-flustered man. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Whoever's the better fighter. - Yeah, for fun's sake, just beat the fist out of him. I mean, you might lose, but you might win. - Right, so it's in situations, it's life. Had that Jeep rolled over on me on that point? Yeah, he would have been at fault. Just don't be an idiot. Chuck was saying, you see the trail, the trails are marked. If you're going around or you're doing something stupid, it's going to be on you for doing something stupid. - How do you establish that though? If they do have insurance, how do you establish that they're going to pay? I mean, it's not like you can call the police to come out there and write a report. - Well, Tony, Tony, I apologize. This is Chuck from Candor. I mean, it's just like the guy that keep your hood. Did he ever pay?

I can't sit straight in the chair. My ass is too big. Are you ready? It's the Jeep Dog Show, Chick Chat. Hey, it's Jamie. I'll be your host for tonight's episode. Welcome to Chick Chat, your passport to Jeep Adventures, the podcast where style meets substance, and the conversation revolves around all things Jeep from a distinctly feminine perspective. Join us as we rev our engines and dive deep into the world of off-roading Jeep culture and everything in between. So grab your favorite pair of sunglasses, buckle up, and get ready to hit the trails with Chick Chat because when it comes to Jeeps, the journey is just as fabulous as the destination. Welcome everybody to Empower Hour. I'm so excited for our second one. We're going to start off discussing our first Empower Hour. So found out that some of the feedback from the first one, which we all had a great time at, was that some of the men did not like us talking about going to the bathroom on the trails. For anyone that's been on on Tuesday nights, for the roundtable there with the boys, it tends to be a lot of potty. So why is it okay for men to talk about going to the bathroom, but it's not okay for women to go to the bathroom? Are we supposed to wear diapers? Women don't poop. That's why women don't poop. We pee in private. And we don't fart. Right. That's not ladylike. Me too. Nobody ever told my six-year-old that because that's the first thing she does when she wakes up in the morning, literally aims it at you and farts in your direction. Lisa's kind of girl. Lisa had a daughter that would be her. Yes. So I watched the show the other day. I've watched it several times where I'm watching on the big screen in my bedroom and Lisa talking about it and I was hysterical. Like I could not stop giggling. I called her. I'm like that old line does a bear shit in the woods has now changed us to does Lisa shit in the woods and the answer. So question would be yes. So Lisa, you're now famous. We now have a new tagline for you. Hey when nature calls you got to take care of it just because I'm a female doesn't mean I can't go to the bathroom in the woods. I just you know, it's just we have to take a couple extra steps or processes outside of guys. If I could go as easy as guys in the bathroom, it would be great, but I can't so I do what I need to do and you know, I dealt with this stuff in the military. It's just kind of all your female you're not you shouldn't be doing this and that and the other look I have to poop. I pee you poop you pee you fart I fart you sneeze whatever, you know. Grow up your burp. You burp. Yeah, I burp. Yeah, she's good at that. She's like a human beatbox. No, not that much. Cough cough. So I just need to get that out there that women do the same things that men do. It's just men don't like to hear about it, but we are the stronger species. We have more fun. Yes, you know, and if you could I could do it girl could do it. That's what this empower hours all about. So you guys ready for my first question for this week? There's nothing to do with going to the bathroom. So we're going to keep it clean first question. If you were to go camping, do you sleep in a tent? Do you have a camper? Do you sleep in your Jeep or you have a rooftop tent or are you way camping is just not for you and you got to go the the Princess Way and hotel it. So love to hear your answers. I think first. I'll go to Tina. Go to Tina. No, no, no. I think the Princess Way is having a camper which is why I have one. I don't do a tent. I do a little scam. That's my preference for camping. I like it. Lisa. Okay, I prefer tent camping. I'm I have a tent that I can just pack up and throw in the back of my Jeep. I have a cot just because I have a sleeping bag. I throw on top of the cot, you know, it's just easy to throw in the back of my Jeep get to my site and depending on where I'm going and how long I'm going to be there. Basically, I may throw my 10 by 10 canopy in there too, just so I have what I need, but I don't really need the canopy. But I have a little two-person tent that does great and it holds up pretty doggone good about two months ago. We saw that with the hellosius winds that we had at Roush Creek where my tent was, you know, kind of that way and I was inside of it. But yeah, I have I prefer tent camping. I like camper tamping. Thank you air conditioning. I could snuggle with the puppies and have the air conditioning, but it's not required. I just think it's easier and simpler to and I don't hate on people that glamp or hotel it. My thing is I don't mind a tent and I really do like it. It's fun and enjoyable. You've got a big camping trip coming up in 14 days 12 days. Yeah, I do.

I think this is that. Why it's not being sold in the U.S. right now, I think is well, because of the market, frankly, nobody wants to buy electric vehicles. Europe has small streets. Yeah, and make you small as cute as you want. I don't care if you add four wheel drive. Nobody wants an all electric vehicle. Not selling. And so I think that FCA or Stellantis rather kind of saw the writing on the wall here in the States and they said, yeah, this isn't going to be a winner there. So let's try this in Europe. Let's see how it does. If we if it just gets stellar sales, maybe we'll go ahead and add it to the U.S. lineup. I don't think we're going to see it here. So check this out. Yeah. So check this out. The Jeep gets four wheel drive and a lifted suspension. But, you know, they don't say what the lift is. I'm guessing about three quarters of an inch. If you're looking at the picture that we're looking at, it's it. It looks like it has a similar stance to like a Renegade track trailhawk. You know, you get exactly a bit of a boost and maybe one size bigger tires. If that you got my get some traction. Yeah, it looks a lot like a Grand Cherokee to me, but you're right. It probably is really small. Oh, by the way, I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but the Renegade was very popular in on the circuses. The clowns really liked it. This looks like a clown car. I was going to say to your grand, your grand Cherokee. If you were to take a grand Cherokee, drop it into dry ice and chop it in half. That's kind of what you get here. It's a shrunken down smaller version of a grand. So probably without half the bells and whistles. So the Avenger four by E. Yes, it's a four by E. It has a tiny one point two liter gasoline engine fitted with a with a mild hybrid technology. It's a three cylinder turbo. Who could God this sounds like a great motor, not a motorcycle on a lawnmower that develops one hundred and thirty six horsepower, which isn't bad. I mean, that's that's Jeep four point. Oh, no, it's bad. I mean, the last three cylinder car that we had here in the States, I think, was the Geo Metro. And that was one of the cylinders was dead, right? That's you had to pay extra for that third cylinder. Yeah, I know only sometimes it worked. And I think that thing had like forty six horsepower. So I mean, it was just gutless. I actually owned one of the first wedding I ever DJed. I DJed out of a Geo Metro. Well, once you get in there, it's hard to get out. I understand. Look out all the seats except for the driver's seat. I'm a gear in the hard enough time, but not the stuff in the XJ. Yeah. Anyway, the this. It's one hundred and thirty six horsepower and routes the output of the wheels via six P'd dual clutch automatic transmission. What dual clutch automatic. OK, whatever. Joining the ice are two electric motors, one at the front of the vehicle and one at the rear, each developing 28 horsepower. Well, you don't need much to drive a milk crate down the road. I mean, top speed, one hundred and twenty one miles an hour. Yeah, yeah. OK, right. It speeds up to 19 miles an hour. The adventure four by always works in four by four mode with a 50 50 split between the two axles. Up to 19 miles an hour. OK. Yeah. From 19 to 56, it defaults to front wheel drive. Oh, yeah, because, you know, front wheel drive is wonderful. But the rear motor is always ready to intervene. Should the need arise faster than 56 miles an hour and the rear motor is disengaged to reduce fuel consumption. Wait, I thought. I thought the rear motor is electric. Yeah, it is. I guess it's a parasitic drag or. That's what I'm like. I'm like, wait a minute here. Where does the fuel consumption come in into an electric engine? Electric motor, especially one that is detached from the rest of the drive train up front and is in the back. Maybe it ejects it figuring if you're going 56 miles an hour, we're going to dump some of some of the weight of the vehicle, improve miles per gallon. You just have to circle back and pick it up. You get all wheel drive up to 19 miles per hour because reasons. Yeah, I guess there's, you know, too many burnouts. They don't want you spinning the tires. You get a better acceleration, better launch. It's actually it's going to feel like the car is actually quicker than it really is. More traction and rain and snow, too, I'm sure. I suppose for, you know, because, yeah, you're not going to be doing a whole lot more than 19 miles per hour when you're driving in ice or taking off in the rain. Yeah, I don't know. It's I don't know how they come up with this stuff. But yeah, I just found the whole thing interesting, especially the the 1.2 liter engine. So the again, it's not going to be sold in America, which is the majority of our audience. And you might say, why would you even talk about it on the show?

I think this is that. Why it's not being sold in the U.S. right now, I think is well, because of the market, frankly, nobody wants to buy electric vehicles. Europe has small streets. Yeah, and make you small as cute as you want. I don't care if you add four wheel drive. Nobody wants an all electric vehicle. Not selling. And so I think that FCA or Stellantis rather kind of saw the writing on the wall here in the States and they said, yeah, this isn't going to be a winner there. So let's try this in Europe. Let's see how it does. If we if it just gets stellar sales, maybe we'll go ahead and add it to the U.S. lineup. I don't think we're going to see it here. So check this out. Yeah. So check this out. The Jeep gets four wheel drive and a lifted suspension. But, you know, they don't say what the lift is. I'm guessing about three quarters of an inch. If you're looking at the picture that we're looking at, it's it. It looks like it has a similar stance to like a Renegade track trailhawk. You know, you get exactly a bit of a boost and maybe one size bigger tires. If that you got my get some traction. Yeah, it looks a lot like a Grand Cherokee to me, but you're right. It probably is really small. Oh, by the way, I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but the Renegade was very popular in on the circuses. The clowns really liked it. This looks like a clown car. I was going to say to your grand, your grand Cherokee. If you were to take a grand Cherokee, drop it into dry ice and chop it in half. That's kind of what you get here. It's a shrunken down smaller version of a grand. So probably without half the bells and whistles. So the Avenger four by E. Yes, it's a four by E. It has a tiny one point two liter gasoline engine fitted with a with a mild hybrid technology. It's a three cylinder turbo. Who could God this sounds like a great motor, not a motorcycle on a lawnmower that develops one hundred and thirty six horsepower, which isn't bad. I mean, that's that's Jeep four point. Oh, no, it's bad. I mean, the last three cylinder car that we had here in the States, I think, was the Geo Metro. And that was one of the cylinders was dead, right? That's you had to pay extra for that third cylinder. Yeah, I know only sometimes it worked. And I think that thing had like forty six horsepower. So I mean, it was just gutless. I actually owned one of the first wedding I ever DJed. I DJed out of a Geo Metro. Well, once you get in there, it's hard to get out. I understand. Look out all the seats except for the driver's seat. I'm a gear in the hard enough time, but not the stuff in the XJ. Yeah. Anyway, the this. It's one hundred and thirty six horsepower and routes the output of the wheels via six P'd dual clutch automatic transmission. What dual clutch automatic. OK, whatever. Joining the ice are two electric motors, one at the front of the vehicle and one at the rear, each developing 28 horsepower. Well, you don't need much to drive a milk crate down the road. I mean, top speed, one hundred and twenty one miles an hour. Yeah, yeah. OK, right. It speeds up to 19 miles an hour. The adventure four by always works in four by four mode with a 50 50 split between the two axles. Up to 19 miles an hour. OK. Yeah. From 19 to 56, it defaults to front wheel drive. Oh, yeah, because, you know, front wheel drive is wonderful. But the rear motor is always ready to intervene. Should the need arise faster than 56 miles an hour and the rear motor is disengaged to reduce fuel consumption. Wait, I thought. I thought the rear motor is electric. Yeah, it is. I guess it's a parasitic drag or. That's what I'm like. I'm like, wait a minute here. Where does the fuel consumption come in into an electric engine? Electric motor, especially one that is detached from the rest of the drive train up front and is in the back. Maybe it ejects it figuring if you're going 56 miles an hour, we're going to dump some of some of the weight of the vehicle, improve miles per gallon. You just have to circle back and pick it up. You get all wheel drive up to 19 miles per hour because reasons. Yeah, I guess there's, you know, too many burnouts. They don't want you spinning the tires. You get a better acceleration, better launch. It's actually it's going to feel like the car is actually quicker than it really is. More traction and rain and snow, too, I'm sure. I suppose for, you know, because, yeah, you're not going to be doing a whole lot more than 19 miles per hour when you're driving in ice or taking off in the rain. Yeah, I don't know. It's I don't know how they come up with this stuff. But yeah, I just found the whole thing interesting, especially the the 1.2 liter engine. So the again, it's not going to be sold in America, which is the majority of our audience. And you might say, why would you even talk about it on the show?