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OPS Super took place between 8 and 14 March 1982 in Namibe Province, southern Angola. Many say it was the most successful operation conducted by 32 Bn ever. It started with a Special Forces patrol finding the enemy, killing 9 and capturing 3 SWAPO soldiers. Not one escaped. The captured spoke about a terrorist base in the vicinity and the operation was on to find and destroy it…32 Bn was called in and Neil Ellis, commanding the gunships, won the HC during the battle. It was a continuous firefight taking hours and at extremely close range. This is the story of what happened that day told by Neall Ellis and two 32 Bn members, Kenneth Schwartz, and Piet Neethling. All did outstandingly well. There might be a follow-up episode on the battle in due course, from other 32 Bn members besides the ones above. Links: 32 Bn Veterans Association PayPal: deposit32va@gmail.com (legacy) Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com www.legacy-conversations.org

A group discussion with veterans of the battle that took place on 13 March 1982, Neall Ellis, Kenny Schwartz, Piet Neethling and Peter Burley, together with a group of interested parties. A fascinating story with some light humour included, although that is in hindsight and was extremely serious on the day. If you have questions, leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Links Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 TELEGRAM https://t.me/legacyconversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

This episode is out on 31 Dec 2023 or 12-31-23 - a day that will never repeat again. Steph Naude served with 32Bn Recce Wing before moving on to CSI - Military Intelligence where he stayed for years. This episode covers his views on famous SA soldier, Col Jan Breitenbach. He is also a man that will never be repeated again. If you have questions for our guest, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Steph Naude served with 32Bn Recce Wing before moving on to CSI - Military Intelligence (Episode 3). This is his story where he reveals how they supported UNITA and SA Forces at that Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. If you have questions for our guest please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Steph Naude served with 32Bn Recce Wing before moving on to CSI - Military Intelligence (Episode 2). This is his story where he reveals how they supported UNITA. If you have questions for our guest please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Steph Naude served with 32Bn Recce Wing before moving on to CSI - Military Intelligence (Episode 2 of 5). This is his story. If you have questions for our guest, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

We speak to Sgt Rick Lobb. He started his career as a national serviceman in 4SAI before moving to the School of Infantry where he volunteered for 32 Battalion. Once there, he passed the 32 Bn Selection, then the Recce Wing Selection and went on many operations, some of which are described here including blowing a bridge behind enemy lines. Then Rick used an RPG-7 to shoot out an enemy truck during an ambush - the first to use the RPG like that in the unit. Since then, he is known also as “RPG.” Today he is a chemical engineer with an MBA degree owning his own company. If you have questions for Rick, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com

On 8 Feb 1978, a firefight took place close to Mamuandi, Angola, between 32Bn and SWAPOl, a place where more than one contact took place during the years. Overall, on the SADF side, 12 were killed in total - that is 6 on 8 February with another 2 KIA 2 years earlier and 4 a year earlier. We held a group discussion on the event. Martin Venter, a veteran of the operation, tells his story and the other guests are given the opportunity to ask questions. A fascinating discussion and a new format to consider for other operation anniversaries under the guidance of Legacy Presenter Andrew Whitaker. Links: Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com

We speak to Martin Venter. He started his army life with the Technical Service Corps (basics) and then to 3 SAI from where he and a few mates left to join the Rhodesian Light Infantry up north. After completing a parachute course in Bloemfontein, he was recognised as a South African Army “deserter” and sent back to South Africa where the Military Police waited. After a military trial and being sentenced to the DB for 21 days (suspended for two years) he found himself at 32 Battalion. Within days he was involved in the Battle of Eheke (Operation Kropduif) where Recce’s lost 7 men (the most in one battle in their illustrious history). 32 Bn also had losses as well as the other units involved. Martin further explains that the Parabats never rescued 32 BN despite the rumours to the contrary, and much more. It is a fascinating story not to be missed. If you have questions for Martin, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Author and Attorney Marius Scheepers served as a signals officer at 32 Bn at the age of 18 years. His views are fascinating, to the point and as a historian factually correct. He describes one of the most formative years (1983) in the long South African Border War as well as the significance of the attack on Cuvelai. All in all, he spent 13 months nonstop in Angola, a record which cannot be broken. If you have questions for Marius, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Marius's books can be found at http://www.30degreessouth.co.za/move_the_border.htm DONATE to Legacy - https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/LegacyConversations Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Steph Naude served with 32Bn Recce Wing before moving on to CSI - Military Intelligence (Episode 2). After 14 years of war, he is back in South Africa and having PTSD. This is his story where he reveals how they supported UNITA. If you have questions for our guest please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Kim Zocher speaks to us about his time at the School of Infantry, and then the elite 32 Bn infantry unit. He describes life at 32 Bn and much more about his experiences as a military veteran attending parades in the UK and Europe. A fascinating conversation. If you have questions for Kim, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org

32 Battalion was een van die hoogs gedekoreerde eenhede in die SAW. Dit is sleg Spesiale Magte was meer medaljes vir dapperheid ontvang het. Die eenheid het bestaan tussen 1975 en 26 March 1993 toe dit ontbind is agv politieke druk. Daar was vier Kruger broers in 32 Bn. Die oudste, Sarel, is later oorlede in 5 VK. Die oorblywende drie, Jan, Gert en Freek Kruger praat vandag met ons oor hulle wedervaringe in die eenheid. Dit was Gert Kruger wat op die laaste parade opgestap het om die troepe te verduidelik dat hulle verraai word deur die politici. Druk die klokkie om ingelig te word van volgende episodes. As jy vrae het, los dit hieronder asb. Links: Donate to the 32 Bn Veterans Association - PayPal: deposit32va@gmail.com (Legacy) DONATE to Legacy - https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/LegacyConversations Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

Jennifer Holloway (now Barron) speaks to us about her time as a nurse attached to the elite 32 Bn infantry unit, circa 1980. As a young woman, she had many adventures with the soldiers beginning with the aftermath of Ops Protea (also dealt with by Kevin Johnson). She describes life at 32 Bn and much more about the nursing profession. A fascinating conversation. If you have questions for Jennifer, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org

We speak to Lt Col Hannes Nortmann, HC, an armour officer. He started his career at 1SSB and then attended the School of Armour after becoming involved in the development of the Rooikat armoured fighting vehicle. But it was in Southern Angola where he made his name commanding the armour part of 32 Battalion’s Support Group. His Ratel IFV, armed with ZT3 laser-guided anti-tank missiles, stopped an entire enemy brigade, shooting out three enemy T55/T62 main battle tanks in a row. A fascinating conversation not to be missed. If you have questions for the Colonel, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org

Peter M Lipman got called up to the Medical Corps, a place where he certainly did not wish to be and so he volunteered for 1 Parachute Battalion where he did his basics. During jump selection, he developed a hernia (he qualified for his wings in 1980) and was sent to Loathla Battle School from where he volunteered for 32 Battalion, then virtually unknown and very hush-hush. At 32 Battalion he joined the Recce Wing. Peter had many adventures including being at the Battle of Savate where the Battalion suffered its most losses ever in one engagement. If you have questions for Peter, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Peter’s business –www.amst.co.za AMS Technologies (Pty) Ltd Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com

32 Battalion was one of the most highly decorated units in the SADF. Besides Special Forces, this unit received more medals for bravery than any other. The unit consisted mostly of black soldiers with white leadership (in the beginning) and existed between 1975 and 26 March 1993 when it was disbanded due to political pressure. If you have questions, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. NOTE this episode is in Afrikaans and English. Links: 32 Bn Veterans Association PayPal: deposit32va@gmail.com (Legacy) DONATE to Legacy - https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/LegacyConversations Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

We speak to Sgt Oliver Sabatino. He started his career as a national serviceman in Walvisbay before moving to the School of Infantry where he volunteered for 32 Battalion. Once there, he passed the 32 Bn Selection, then joined the companies taking part in Hooper, Excite and Displace. Oliver was also involved in the Battle of Tumpo 1 as a platoon commander in Echo company. At Tumpo, the SADF experienced the heaviest enemy bombardment of the war. If you have questions for Oliver, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations records the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In three years, more than 650 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Koos Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations

We speak to Thinus Marais and Louis de Lange who served as national servicemen with 32Bn Recce Wing behind enemy lines. They talk in Afrikaans and English, explaining their adventures. An episode not to be missed. If you have questions for our guests, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations records the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Louis de Lange's charity https://sociotech.co.za/ Legacy Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1691879831285859/?ref=share_group_link&exp=7ffb Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Koos Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations To Advertise on Legacy https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rCaM8ytISNxOG9QESp_AXq4Kf73hFtWN/view?usp=sharing

We speak to Kevin FitzGerald & Joe Santa Clara who served with 32Bn Recce Wing. Joe is a Portuguese speaker and was a national serviceman. He explains what he found at Amuoni Base. Kevin tells us about vehicle operations not known to most. If you have questions for our guests, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations record the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - 4xsamil@gmail.com Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations To Advertise on Legacy https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rCaM8ytISNxOG9QESp_AXq4Kf73hFtWN/view?usp=sharing

Andrew Whitaker speaks to three members of 32 Bn's Founder Members - Radies Rademeyer, Leon Britz, and Koenraad Stoltz on how the famous Unit was created and how they got involved with it as young men during Ops Savannah. If you have questions for our panel, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Legacy Conversations records the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - PayPal.Me/LegacyConversations Andrew Whitaker email whitbr@iafrica.com Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Koos Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations To Advertise on Legacy https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rCaM8ytISNxOG9QESp_AXq4Kf73hFtWN/view?usp=sharing

We speak to Major Apolinaro who fled Angola after the Marxist takeover. He then volunteered for 32 Battalion. Once there, he became an officer, one of the very first. This is his story, If you have questions for our guest, please leave them below. Subscribe and activate the bell to be informed of new episodes. Links: Ops Dignidade (Reference) 32Bn VA FNB Centurion SWIFT FIRNZAJJ Checque Acc 62123516653 treasurer@32va.co.za (Martin Venter) Legacy Conversations records the memories of South African Security Forces Members of all ranks, units and races. In two years, more than 500 videos were recorded and made public. We need your assistance to carry on. If you so wish, become a Patron for $5 per month which will give you access to exclusive content: - PATREON link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Donate via PayPal link - https://patreon.com/LegacyConversationsPatreon Alternative Channel https://odysee.com/@LegacyConversations:8 Book Links for Print on Demand inside South Africa: https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2969/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-1-college-days https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2970/mean-streets-life-in-the-apartheid-police-book-2-the-mean-streets https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2971/oath-of-evil-the-war-on-protestantism https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2944/code-name-butterfly https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2943/code-name-wrangler https://burbleonline.co.za/p/2942/code-name-angelique Sponsor - www.georgemjames.com Website - www.legacy-conversations.org Legacy on Telegram - https://t.me/legacyconversations To Advertise on Legacy https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rCaM8ytISNxOG9QESp_AXq4Kf73hFtWN/view?usp=sharing