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NEWT: Well, first of all, I don't think she's going to force President Trump to spend anything because he's going to beat her in every single primary in the country. That's just going to happen. Second, the longer she stays in, the more she will alienate Republicans. This theory that she's hanging around in case something happens to Trump so she can then be the choice. No MAGA Republican, no Trump delegate is ever going to pick Nikki Haley. They will pick any of a dozen or fifty Republicans who are acceptable, but they aren't going to pick her. And you saw that in Nevada, where she lost by 2 to 1 by none of these candidates. I mean, when none of these candidates beat you by 2 to 1, there's a there's a hint that maybe you're in the wrong game this year. I hope she'll drop out. I hope she'll become part of the effort to beat Joe Biden. I do not think it's helpful to have her out there saying nasty things about the Republican nominee. And as far as I'm concerned, Donald Trump tonight is the Republican nominee. This is over. And the issue is to focus on the general election and why Trump would be a dramatically better president in 2025 than Joe Biden. NEWT: Well, we just saw this happen again in the special election in New York, where the Democrats won the early vote. And then we had a snowstorm on Election Day. So that suppressed the normal Republican Election Day turnout. I'm very encouraged that Laura Trump is going to make a major part of her co-chairmanship building a case across the whole country for early voting and for getting those ballots in. I think that's very, very important. And one of the places where, frankly, Republicans have been at least three election cycles behind where the Democrats are. If Laura can do her job and get people around, she's very attractive, very intelligent and I think very articulate. She goes across the country and convinces people, this is how you do it. We're going to be much stronger this fall. NEWT: Well, first of all, President Trump reacted exactly right, came out in favor of in-vitro fertilization, as did Speaker Johnson. And I think we can clear that issue out pretty quickly. Almost all Republicans are going to be in favor of in-vitro fertilization. Second, if you look at the young lady who was killed in Georgia at the University of Georgia by a Venezuelan illegal immigrant, you can make a pretty good argument that the party that does not protect women, the party that is did not defend the innocent is the Democratic Party. And that, in fact, what they're doing with illegal immigration is a far greater danger to the average woman than anything Republicans are charged with.

NEWT: Look, I think the she has every right to run through her home state. She's apparently, according to every poll, is going to lose by a huge margin. I think she is much better off to drop out at that point because this theory that if she stays in and anything happens to Trump, the convention would turn to her, gets less and less likely. She has become the anti-Trump candidate. The delegates are all going to be pro-Trump and they're going to pick anybody but Nikki. So I think the longer she stays in after Saturday, every right to run in her home state, but I think she's going to be crushed in her home state. And at that point, she starts to look both silly and her attacks become strident and frankly harmful to Republicans. NEWT: Well, for first of all, I don't think it's going be the case. I think the the nominee and probable next president is Donald J. Trump. And I all I would say at this point is, who knows? I mean, the Trump family under any circumstance will have enormous influence in the Republican Party. And Don, Donald Trump Jr. will be one of the players. That would be real. But we have a very deep bench between governors, senators, a couple of House members. There'll be a lot of potential people. And it would be an interesting convention because we haven't had that kind of open convention. But my personal belief is that President Trump is going to be the Republican nominee and he's going to become president again. NEWT: Well, I think that's a big reason that Trump is likely to carry Michigan this time. But I want to go back to your New York story for a second. What we're watching is essentially a financial assassination. When you have all the different corrupt judges in New York and the corrupt attorney general of the state of New York and what they're doing to Trump is literally a financial assassination. They are methodically trying to destroy him in a way which is so utterly, totally un-American. A friend of mine said the other day, you know, you don't need Siberia if you have New York City because you can destroy your political opponent out in the open. And that's exactly what they're trying to do. Remember, the judgment was not only a massive, absurd fine in a case in which there are no victims. No one lost any money and nobody came in to say they'd been defrauded. But in addition, he said the judge said that Trump and his two sons could not do business for the next three years in New York, basically in exile. And then he went on to say, no New York Bank could loan Trump the money to pay the fine. Now, this is a pure vendetta. That is just crazy. It's it's worthy of The Sopranos or the Mafia. And it's a deliberate out in the open. This is not about the rule of law. This is about the rule of power. And if you look at the other cases in New York against Trump, every one of them is an act of corruption that is purely political. If he was not running for office, he would not have any of this happening. And to Kellyanne’s point part of the reason he's gaining ground, is people simply admire his courage in taking this kind of a beating in order to represent the United States. NEWT: Well, look, I think it's really very confusing. Here's a person who had been attorney general in California, a U.S. senator, candidate for president. And the more we've watched her, the less there is. And I think that it's scary as it is to have Biden be semi aware of what's going on. It's even scarier to imagine Kamala Harris replacing him. I mean, this is not some, you know, show this is not a sitcom. This is the presidency of the United States in a world where nuclear war is very real and where we could, in fact, end up losing our civilization. And the idea that the commander in chief could be Kamala Harris, I think is is truly terrifying. It's not a joke. It's not funny. And you have to wonder, how did she get picked? I mean, did these people not have any idea how how incompetent she is? NEWT: You know, you have to ask yourself why people on the left dislike America so much that they want to drown it with people who come here illegally. And that's really AOC’s position. She's deeply against traditional America. She thinks it's terrific to have say, Venezuelan criminal gangs that are beating up cops because after all, at least they're not, you know, middle class, patriotic Americans. And you have to ask yourself that China is a totalitarian state. How do 20,000 people, almost all of them young males of military age. How do they magically show up in the American border? When Carter was president, he had an open border policy with Cuba and Castro dumped everybody from his prisons and his mental institutions. Many of them ended up at Fort Chaffee in Arkansas and were a factor in Bill Clinton not getting reelected to governor in 1980 because people in Arkansas were so angry. Well, I think you're beginning to see in Chicago, in New York and elsewhere, a level of anger about the impact of illegal immigration and the amount of money it's taking away. American taxpayers today are subsidizing people who are breaking the law. And in New York, they have this nutty idea that they're going to give them credit cards. So you come here illegally, you're in New York illegally, and you're friendly New York government and Mayor Adams are going to give you a credit card, which for a family of four can be worth $1,000 a month. But but you have to promise you're only going to buy nice things with it. Now, how stupid do you have to be to have a policy like that? NEWT: Well, the fact is and this is why Biden has a dilemma. He has told us for three years that he can't control the border. It turns out, of course, Donald Trump did control the border despite any new laws. He used the power of the presidency and he controlled the border. If Biden actually does it by executive action, he just proved it for three years he has voluntarily allowed millions of people to come into the US illegally. I think he's probably going to try a gimmick and write something that will guarantee go to court, and that at that point will be totally hung up. And he can say, I tried, but his position's hopeless. His left demands open borders. The rest of the country demands closed borders, and he's caught in the middle. NEWT: Well, look the truth is Nancy Pelosi's in better shape and smarter than Joe Biden. Last time, Callista and I saw Nancy and Paul, you know, she's terrific. She's doing fine. she doesn’t look like she's nearly as old as Joe Biden. And if you watch him walking right there, she's actually making sure he doesn't fall. She's not worried about herself. So I also have to say it's weird, but there aren't a lot of things Biden does are weird.

NEWT: Let me say, first of all, I thought your interview last night was terrific and you did a great job of drawing out of Trump a number of observations and a tone which was as good as I think I've ever seen him. So I really commend you for last night's town hall meeting. But let's be honest about where we are, because I think, very frightening you have a Biden administration failing in the Middle East. You have a Biden administration which collapsed in Afghanistan. You have a Biden administration which in two years has not come up with a strategy for winning in Ukraine. And the world's getting dramatically more dangerous. And in the meantime, you have a secretary of state who thinks one of his most important jobs is to send out a letter reminding all of the State Department employees to worry about their gender and to put their appropriate gender name with their emails. I mean, this is an absurdity. They have to attack and lie about Trump because the truth will destroy them. The truth is that they're undermining Israel at this very moment. The truth is that they've failed totally to intimidate the Houthis, who hit three ships in the last couple of days. They failed totally to intimidate the Iranians, who continue to expand their terrorist operations across the Middle East. They have absolutely failed to figure out a strategy to stop Putin. And let me say, I warned as early as 2014 during the Crimean fiasco when Obama collapsed totally that sanctions don't work against Putin. Putin is a, former secretary of defense, said, Bob Gates said he is a stone cold killer. He's a KGB trained operative and you have to deal with him at that level of toughness. And the idea of Joe Biden trying to deal with Putin is silly. Donald Trump was right last night when he told you he's the one who sent real weapons, which Obama remember, Obama wanted to send them meals ready to eat and sleeping bags and non-lethal things. Trump actually sent real weapons to Ukraine. Trump actually cut off the Russian pipeline. Trump was much tougher. And then Biden comes along and goes back to appeasement and the appeasement fails. And I am confident that Putin has total contempt for Biden. NEWT: Look, I mean, he's been very clear about that. He believes that he can negotiate from a position of absolute strength and can convince both Ukraine and Russia, meaning Putin, that they need to get to a truce. Here's the problem for the Ukrainians. They're not going to beat Russia. They don't they, we can provide them lots more weapons. They can lose a lot more people. But if this goes on for two or three or four more years, it's really a tragedy. And I think what Trump's trying to think through is how do you end this without strengthening Putin and how do you end this so Ukraine survives as an independent country. That is a long way from the rhetoric of Joe Biden. NEWT: Let me just say bluntly, it's all a lie. This is an administration dedicated to keeping the border open, dedicated to allowing thousands of Chinese males of military age to cross the border, dedicated to allowing a Venezuelan gang that’s very violent, which we saw beating up New York policemen. I don't know why they're so passionate about keeping the border open. They could have agreed to a border deal with the Congress and they could have gotten aid to Israel and to Ukraine and a package and the border to them, keeping it open and keeping illegal immigrants flowing into the US was more important than helping Ukraine and Israel.

NEWT: Well, look, way back in 1973, I said in the Atlanta Constitution that Republicans have to win by at least a 4% margin just to offset Democratic vote stealing. The party of Tammany Hall has always stolen votes. They're very good at stealing votes. And I think we have to start with two different sides. One is Republicans have to get into the game of getting people to vote very early, getting them to go to the polls, vote by mail, do whatever. But I was very disappointed in the New York special election where clearly the Republican National Committee's Bank the Vote effort had failed totally. So if you're not in the game, not even trying, you shouldn't expect to win. But in addition, Scott Rasmussen recently did a report and said that among the top 1%, the people who are the head of NBC News, ABC News, the head of all the bureaucracies among those folks, 67% said they would be glad to steal an election if that's what it took. Now, that is like, you know, ten times the national average. So you have to start with the idea that to beat Donald Trump, these folks are going to vote early, they are going to vote often. They're going to cheat. They're going to do everything they can. And Republicans need to understand, they need lawyers who are as tough, as ruthless, as aggressive, and they need to get into the fight and they need to get into the fight certainly by the end of July, because the elections now are so much longer than we're used to and all too many Republican consultants haven't caught up with reality. NEWT: Why? Why would you ask somebody who is a crook to describe himself as a crook when they can explain he was only borrowing a few things permanently? And I think Craig is a perfect example of that. All I would say, and I thought it was a great segment, by the way, all I would say is everybody who wants an honest election should know that in the long run, we need the French model. Everybody votes on the same day. Everybody has a photo I.D.. Everybody is accounted as a person. But until we get to that. If Republicans want to win this year, under the rules that exist this year, they need to out vote the Democrats by about 5%, which is a margin big enough that it can't be stolen. They need to have everybody they can get to vote very early so they can focus on the late voters and get them out. And they need to have the largest possible number of volunteers. In Philadelphia, in Milwaukee, in Chicago, across the country, trying to stop voter theft. And it will be a it will be a look, this is a real fight. The Democrats understand. NEWT: This is life and death.

NEWT: Well, I think there was a fairly direct answer that serves the interests of the American people. Forget Republicans and Democrats forget the Congress, and that is to release the transcript, take out anything which involves a genuine secret and release everything else. If it's true that, in fact, Hur did not ask the question about Biden's son and that Biden himself brought it up. Then what does it tell you that part of Biden's deliberate defense at a White House press conference is to lie to the American people or it's possible once again, he just forgot he didn't remember who did what. I think that's a very serious issue, as you know. I think that's way beyond politics. I think if it's true that we have a commander in chief who is literally incompetent, who couldn't go I mean, and I think the issue for the attorney general is pretty straightforward. I mean, Merrick Garland has got to decide, is it true that they cannot prosecute Joe Biden because he is too old and he has too weak a memory and he would be too sympathetic, in which case, I think they have to look at the 25th Amendment, because how can you tell the world we have a president who is so incompetent and has such deep problems cognitively that he could never get through a trial and a jury would always be sympathetic because they would think that he couldn't possibly have done anything deliberately because he's not capable of it. Now I think Biden is enraged at that image. But if he is enraged, then the alternative is that he's he's available to be tried. They can't have it both ways. And I think that's what Hur really set up as the choice. And I think Hur’s testimony to the Congress will almost certainly be devastating just because it will reemphasize that this was a professional, methodical, serious effort, sort of the opposite of what we've been watching with Fannie Willis in Atlanta, and that Hur reached a conclusion that is pretty devastating about the capacity of the President of the United States to actually do his job. NEWT: Well, look, the standard for all this was set by Hillary Clinton, who had staff take a hammer and physically destroy the hard drive, who herself apparently deleted 32 or 33,000 emails. I mean, she is sort of the model for simply destroying the evidence. And as you know, they refused to prosecute her even though she clearly was guilty of very significant violations of law about dealing with those kind of documents. So now you have the same thing happening. One of the challenges in our current totally one sided legal system is that if you're a Democrat, you can assume that, in fact, the Justice Department, the FBI will protect you, favor you, do everything it can to avoid hurting you. And if you're a Republican, you can assume that they will do just exactly the opposite. It is a terrible moment for America, for the rule of law and for the Constitution.

NEWT: Well, look, I think the very clear language and the very clear examples that are in the special report put on the table a very straightforward challenge. This is not about politics. This is about the survival of the United States. You have to worry about North Korea, Taiwan, Iran, all of the Middle East, Ukraine. And we're now told we have a president based on the Department of Justice report who really doesn't get it anymore. So at a minimum, I think the Congress should demand a cognitive test by outside sources. And if he is, in fact, as bad as the special attorney, her study is, I think they have to invoke the 25th Amendment. And as much as I disagree deeply with Kamala Harris. She is at least rational. I think, and she's probably less of a danger to the country than a Joe Biden who doesn't know what's going on. Remember, he is literally the person who can start a nuclear war or he's the person who can avoid a nuclear war by doing the right things and everything. We're saying he's just not there. So you don't know what staff person is making which decision, but it's clear Joe Biden isn't. And I think after yesterday, my whole opinion changed because that report and I urge every American to read the key parts of that report. It is so bad and so clear that you can't allow this guy to be commander in chief and not as a political decision, but as a matter of national survival. NEWT: Well, I think at a minimum, Merrick Garland, the attorney general, has to drop the trial against Trump, because if you look at everything Hillary did and did not get charged and now you look at the very specific things that Biden did, including, by the way, his his coauthor erased the tapes just as Hillary erased 32,000 emails, his coauthor erased the tapes of their conversations. So it is much harder now to figure out exactly what they did talk about that was secret. And this idea that the documents happened to be in his garage next to the Corvette, but they were really okay. I mean, this is but I think that's secondary. Normally, I would have said, you know, this is a big deal. But I think the cognitive part is so much greater a threat to the country that we have to insist that somehow he be tested. And if he if he can't be tested, then I think we have to insist that they implement the 25th Amendment. I can't overstate this. Nuclear war can be a matter of minutes. The idea that this guy, particularly when he has a secretary of defense who goes awol away without leave for a week and doesn't even tell him, although you have now ask the question, if he had told him, would would would Biden have remembered? I mean, I think this is really not funny. It's not Woodrow Wilson had a very serious stroke, was totally incapacitated. His wife actually ran the government for about a year. But that was after World War One as a relatively peaceful time. And she literally would not let anyone talk to him. We now have a president who has to make decisions that potentially involve nuclear war. And I think to allow that to be a person who is clearly mentally incompetent is terrifying.

NEWT: He couldn't remember what year he was vice president. He couldn't remember what year his son died. You can just go down the list and it makes you feel sad and it makes you wonder how his family could allow him to be this publicly humiliated. So I have no idea what he's going to say at 7:45 at one level, and it won't happen. You can imagine him saying, you know, I read the report and he's right and I can't really be president, so I'm resigning. And Kamala Harris will be the new president. That has its own set of problems and is the best argument against the 25th Amendment. But I read this report today and I'm now increasingly convinced he will not be the Democratic nominee. The party will rebel and will figure out you can't possibly ask the country to give four more years to a person who his own Justice Department says is mentally so incompetent that it wouldn't be fair to try him because he couldn't possibly know what he was doing. That's the essence of what they're saying. Well, if that's true, how can it be commander in chief? How can they be dealing with Iran or Russia or China? I think this is a big, big problem and should be a serious national debate. NEWT: Which, by the way, Hunter Biden was working on. Look, I said as soon as I read this, I said, they don't prosecute Hillary Clinton. They don't prosecute Joe Biden. They should drop the case against Donald Trump. I mean, how can the attorney general justify a case against Trump for doing less than what Biden did over a shorter period of time. And the truth is that Trump, in fact, offered to cooperate. The FBI came and visited and called a couple days later and said, would you put an extra lock on the door? I mean, this makes the Justice Department look even more totally outside the law. And I think the attorney general has a real challenge now. I, I want to hear his explanation for how they avoided Hillary Clinton after deleting 33,000 emails and physically destroying her computer. And now they're going to avoid Biden. And remember, Biden's ghostwriter destroyed the audiotapes that they had made once he learned there was a special prosecutor. So when you talk about obstruction, they certainly were engaged in obstruction. And I don't understand how any reasonable person can think that it's okay to ignore Hillary. It's okay to ignore Joe Biden. But now this Donald Trump problem that's real. I think it puts the entire Justice Department process totally in disrepute unless the attorney general says we have to apply the same standard to Trump that we've applied to these two Democrats and therefore, the case is dismissed. NEWT: Yeah, look, I think people have to understand the president of the United States has a military officer with him at all times carrying the briefcase, which has the nuclear codes to launch weapons and potentially create World War III in a matter of minutes. And we're now told we have a president who literally is so cognitively impaired based on his own Justice Department that he can't be tried because no jury would think he was capable of doing something deliberately. I mean, if you read the actual language and it's all available, all public information, if you read the actual language of the report. NEWT: A reasonable person can look at that. It raise the question, would it be less of a risk for America to have Kamala Harris as bad as she is, to have Kamala in charge because she's at least aware she's at least here. NEWT: Well, let me take this to a slightly different level and closer to where I think Victor Davis Hanson was. This isn't political. The president of the United States, the man who could create a nuclear war, has been declared by his own Justice Department to be mentally incompetent. Remember, their argument for not trying him is that no jury would believe that this pathetic aging person who has no memory could have done anything deliberately. Now I find that terrifying. I mean, if we literally tonight have a president on stage who is that incompetent? This is the worst thing since Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and for a year, his wife ran the White House with nobody realizing he was totally incapacitated. We now are being told publicly by the Justice Department that Biden is, for all practical purposes, incapacitated. And this is the man who could start a nuclear war. I think it is the most sobering thing I can think of, frankly, in American history. This is a huge crisis and it's way beyond politics. It's about the very survival of the United States. NEWT: North Korea probably has enough nuclear weapons now, and they are increasingly belligerent and increasingly leaning towards attacking South Korea. So add all of these things up and then just say this to yourself in every major capital, the intelligence officers tomorrow morning are going to walk into their leader and say, here is what the American Justice Department has told us about the president of the United States. He is mentally incompetent. I find that as sobering as anything I have seen, including in the entire Cold War. This is a really dangerous moment for America. NEWT: I think we're very close to it. If, in fact, he continues to decay and I think this speech is really important in trying to assess, you know, what, what is he going to try to communicate to the country tonight? And my hunch is that nobody in the White House quite gets the devastating nature of the way in which he was dismissed by the special counsel as being literally incapable.

NEWT: Well, look, I think for all practical purposes, President Trump is the Republican nominee. He won Iowa. He won New Hampshire in an ironic way he won Nevada without being on the ballot. I mean, if you get 61% of the vote against your opponent and she only gets 33% when she's on the ballot. I mean, let's be real here. Nikki Haley will not be the Republican nominee. She's a smart woman. She was a very good ambassador to the United Nations. She was a good governor of South Carolina. And she will be a failed candidate for president. Question is how long will it take her donors to realize that and how long will it take her to learn it. But I would think from her perspective, to go into her home state, having lost to none of the above, is about as weak as you can get. In the latest poll this week, which was a Washington Post poll, showed Trump beating her by about 30 points in South Carolina. So if she can't win Iowa, she can't win New Hampshire. She can't win Nevada. And she's about to not win South Carolina. Donald Trump's nominee, period. Everything else is details. NEWT: Well, I think the biggest of the Trump anti-Trump donors sit on their hands for a while. And the question I have is whether Joe Biden drives them to support Trump. If you look at the most recent NBC poll, for example, which I listened carefully to an explanation of it, and it is clear that Biden is decaying at a rapid rate in terms of popular support. People don't believe he's capable of being president. And so I think that may drive these donors ultimately to be for Trump. NEWT: Well, I'd like to hear their explanation of why they think total failure on the border. Total failure to obey the law. Total failure to protect the American people is not impeachable. My guess is in a few weeks they'll bring that back and they will impeach him. I think that's what the maneuver last night said, which I thought was done well. Look, it's a very smallest majority in American history. It's tough to govern with that small a majority. But I think that Speaker Johnson is gradually getting it done, and I think it will get done. NEWT: No. Well, they're united. If he had all but four, you had two hundred and sixteen to four. It strikes me two hundred and sixteen to four is pretty united. And it’s the same problem. There are a handful of people that say, you know, I'm so smart and I'm so clever and I'm so principled. I'm not going to go along with two hundred and sixteen of my colleagues. NEWT: Well, look, this objective fact. Trump is the most dominant political figure we've seen, I think, since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He you just saw it again in Nevada. They organized among their supporters, voting for none of the above. Just as another brushback pitch at Hailey. Then Trump has the capacity to. I think if he if he will do it, he has the ability now to pivot, go to the country and actually go for example, he mentioned in his Iowa speech after he won the caucus that he wants to help the big cities. Well, imagine if Trump goes to Chicago and Detroit and Philadelphia and actually gives serious speeches about reaching out to Democrats to actually save the cities which are in the process right now of collapsing. Yeah, I think when you look at, for example, Washington, D.C., the Congress ought to take it over. And Trump talks about the need to save our national capital where they've had over a thousand carjackings. And just last week, a former Trump official was killed by a carjacker on 14th Street, which is the heart of the business district. I mean, things in Washington are crazy in terms of crime. NEWT: Well, I think that President Trump has absolute control of the Republican National Committee. I think that Ronna has been a very, very good leader who spent a long time raise a lot of money, did everything she could. And I think the president probably wants new energy, new new drive, a new effort and it's always true that the nominee of the party gets to pick the national committee chairmen in both parties. It's impossible to survive against the president. Either president. So Trump will get the person he wants.

NEWT: Look, I think I think on the left, whatever they have to say, whatever they have to do to keep power, they're going to do. That's a reality. But I have to say, Sean, tonight, really for the first time, I'm beginning to think maybe Biden will not be the nominee. And I say that because the rate of his cognitive decline, the number of recent examples where he couldn't remember what he was saying or he couldn't remember who he was talking to, you could imagine with the weakness at the border, the weakness that we just hear a report about from Portland with drugs, the weakness in Iran, the weakness in Ukraine. At some point there may be a genuine rebellion in the Democratic Party that says we can't put this guy up this fall because it'll be hopeless. The NBC News report, the poll they did was devastating. Almost a day later, CNN had a similar poll. It's very clear that Biden right now is drifting into Jimmy Carter territory where people just think he's not competent. It ain't working. And in their personal lives, they think that he is causing them enormous problems. NEWT: Well, look, I mean, I think the biggest argument in favor of his survival is your question. You know, Kamala Harris could make the argument that she should be the replacement and in the left wing of the Democratic Party, that’ll be fine. The rest of the country would recoil in horror and she would lose in a landslide. You know, you could have the governor of California, who you've had on with a debate with Ron DeSantis. You could have the governor of Michigan or Pennsylvania. You could have. I think it's very hard to imagine Michelle Obama, but I have some close friends who are very smart, who are absolutely convinced that she's going to be the replacement because she trumps Kamala Harris in being a black woman on the national ticket. So my I think part one is how do you talk, Dr. Jill and President Biden into agreeing to go back to Delaware to bicycle the rest of their lives when they've got all this stuff part two is, does it get bad enough that the average delegate says, you know, we just can't do this to the country. So I would not have said and until tonight, it just hit me. Is it it's all coming in. And it made me realize that we really have to think about the possibility that it may just collapse the the plausibility. And I think that's where the NBC poll and the follow on CNN poll are a real warning to the Democrats. So I would not have said and until tonight, it just hit me. Is it it's all coming in. And it made me realize that we really have to think about the possibility that it may just collapse the the plausibility. And I think that's where the NBC poll and the follow on CNN poll are a real warning to the Democrats. Remember, also in the NBC poll, the Republicans are now ahead by a significant margin. In which party do you want to have run the Congress? So if you're a Democratic operative, you're looking at a catastrophe, at least comparable to 1980 with Ronald Reagan. And you begin to think, you know what do we do to avoid this? And the answer can't involve Joe Biden.

NEWT: Well, why not? I mean, look, he's totally out of touch with reality. Take the clip you just had from Secretary Austin. If he truly takes full responsibility, he should resign. I mean, it's nonsense to say, yeah, this whole thing was totally screwed up and it's my fault. Now, let's go to the next topic. You have a secretary of defense who's clearly incapable of running the department. You have a president who's not a commander in chief. He's an appeaser in chief. You've had 150 plus attacks on Americans in the Middle East. To the best of our knowledge, the Defense Department had no plans, had not thought this through, even though the first attack was back on October 18th. You have Biden, who is as weak with with Iran as he is on the border. So you have a president who is sort of the epitome of being out of touch with reality, of being weak, and of just plain lying. He would pick on the Israelis because it's dangerous to do something directly to the Iranians. And the truth is that this president and his administration aren't quite sure that they want Ukraine to win. They're certainly not sure that they want Israel to win. They definitely do not want to get involved in the fight with Iran. They say it all the time. I mean, we get hit, we lose several young Americans. And immediately the spokesperson for the Defense Department says we do not want a war with Iran. The Iranians are at war with us. The Iranians are trying to kill us. And yet you have a president who absolutely refuses to recognize reality. NEWT: I just wrote a newsletter for tomorrow at Gingrich360 in which I said, basically it's a question of who intimidates who. The Iranians clearly today intimidate Joe Biden, the left wing of his party intimidates Joe Biden. What we did know under Donald Trump was he was prepared to kill the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, General Soleimani, in a way which intimidated the Iranians. He was prepared to cut off all their oil money. He was prepared to throttle down their economy. They knew that if they hit him, he was going to pulverize them. And so the result was we've gained great ground with Saudi Arabia. We bring great, great ground across the entire Arab world. Israel was at the most peaceful it had been. And now with an America that is weak, confused and frankly, incompetent, the world grows every day dramatically more dangerous. As a historian, I think this is a very dangerous time, and I just hope we can get through to the end of the year without something disastrous happening. NEWT: Well, look, I think James Carville said it perfectly on MSNBC when he said their job is is to take basically a meat ax to Donald Trump every way they can, because if they don't cut him down in size, he's going to clearly win. So every time you watch some weird thing happening, the recent case in New York is an example where it was a total absurdity with a woman who could not even remember which year she was talking about. She gets an $83 million award. That's just another meat ax. And every time you turn around, you're seeing the Democrats go at Trump every way they can. The amazing thing and I think that's a great tribute to the American people, is that most Americans now see through this. Most Americans understand that it's all political. And by the way, on the border, remember, Rasmussen just reported 69% of the American people side with Texas against the federal government. Only 27% support the federal government. And if you ask strongly, 52% strongly favor Texas. Only 15% strongly favor the federal government. That's three and a half to one. These issues are dead losers for the Democrats. And frankly, it's a good sign about the health of the American people that they've decided that having rapists, murderers, drug dealers, carjackers brought into the United States with no checks is just wrong. And they are going to punish a Democratic Party, which as recently as today had a large number vote against deporting people who clearly are a danger to the American people.

NEWT: Well, look, the Democrats have a huge problem. Rasmussen, for example, today said that 69% of the American people side with Texas and only 27% are siding with the federal government. These these are real. This isn’t Newsom having a fantasy. As the former mayor of San Francisco. This is the American people saying that this administration is a failure. It is failing in the most basic job of defending America. And as you brilliantly pointed out earlier, it's failing to defend our troops overseas. And Newsom, who again, he's a little bit of a flake. He was the mayor of San Francisco. He lives in a fantasy land. So he can around saying anything he wants to. But the truth is there is nobody who is going to be able to defend Joe Biden because the Biden record on so many different fronts is going to be somewhere between an embarrassment and a disaster. NEWT: Well, and frankly, Kamala Harris makes it harder because given the demographics of the Democratic Party, you can't just walk in and casually get rid of an African-American woman no matter how incompetent she is. And so this is where the tribalism effect of the left traps them. And so, I mean, my personal guess and here I'm a big fan of Mark Halperin, and he and I are in total agreement. I think Biden is going to be the nominee. I mean, under what circumstances? I mean, the more I think about it, you have the White House, you have Camp David, you have Air Force One, you got Marine One, or you can spend the rest of your life bicycling in Delaware. What what's the upside for Joe Biden leaving the White House voluntarily? Now he's going to leave the White House because the American people are going to repudiate him. And by the way, there's a London Telegraph poll this morning that’s amazing. Trump's now carrying people under 30, which is an area where Biden had a 26 point lead. But they're looking past ideology and they're saying, I can't get a job. I can't buy a house, I can't pay off my student loans. I'd like to go back to that guy that got things to work. A huge underlying shift is going on in this country. NEWT: Well, I've been an active Republican my whole life. Every once in a while, part of the party becomes suicidally stupid. That Bill is suicidally stupid. It makes no sense. I will oppose it every way I can. And I hope that every Republican activists in the country will oppose it. It is a total sellout and it's just dumb. I mean, it's like having I feel an absolute winning hand and saying, please, can I just lay these down and lose the game anyway? I mean, all they've got to do is say, we want to stop everything now, not. When I first heard that has has 5000 people a day gets to come in and that doesn't count as illegal immigration. I thought these guys had got I don't know what they're drinking, but it's not good.

NEWT: Well, first of all, I agree with everything you said about Governor DeSantis. So I do think has a great future, has been an extraordinarily good governor. And I hope that he will stay active in public life. I think that I just did a newsletter for tomorrow, at Gingrich 360, pointing out this is about to be the longest general election in American history. I think it's something like 287 days from Wednesday until Election Day. Donald Trump tomorrow night will be the Republican nominee. If Ambassador Haley is wise. She'll find a graceful way, as Governor DeSantis did, to get out of the race. If she's unwise, she will go to South Carolina and she will be decisively defeated in her home state. And that will just shrink her. Right now, you have to have great respect for her courage, her determination, her energy, her articulation. She's about as high as she's ever going to get. And I think if tomorrow night ends, as Matt Towery suggests, and I think he's right, it's going to be Trump somewhere between 15 and 30 points ahead of her. Well, two primaries in a row against the man who totally dominates the party nationally. The objective reality is it's over. And I think if that's what happens tomorrow night, then I hope Governor Haley will decide that she's done her best just as governor. DeSantis did, but that, in fact, this is now Donald Trump's party and we need to unify to defeat Joe Biden. NEWT: Well, I mean, the objective reality is that at a performance level, this is a disastrous administration. Biden's illegal immigrants alone would sink a normal candidate. And there it's just going to get worse, is not going to get better. Chicago announced yesterday they have no extra space. New York got so desperate they kicked out American schoolchildren for the night and brought in illegal immigrants because it was so cold. I mean, every time people turn around, the illegal immigration policy of Biden pushes a deliberate policy to open the border and have the maximum number of people enter the U.S. illegally. That's blowing up on the Democrats everywhere. Second, the country is not at all convinced by the woke left wing radicalism. Simple example. 6% of Americans are willing to buy an electric vehicle. The Biden administration wants to make that 100%. Well, you can't, in a free society, coerce 94% of the country into doing something they don't want to do. So I think on both policy grounds and performance grounds, Biden will get worse and worse, weaker and weaker. Democrats will become more and more terrified and I think this will be a bigger blowout than Reagan over Carter. I think that this is one of the amazing moments in American history. And Trump will have over 280 days to crisscross the country, strengthen the Republican Party and campaign among groups who normally never see a Republican. I mean, we will have the time now to design a true general election strategy of trying to unify the whole country. And if you watch his tone, he has very correctly begun to move towards a unifying bring us together, solve problems. For example, fix the big cities, not something Republicans normally talk about. So I'm encouraged that this could be a remarkable general election. NEWT: Just pisses people off. I mean, I had a woman today, literally we were at, Calista, and I were at Giant doing some grocery shopping, and a woman came up to me African-American works at the store. She said, you know, I'm not quite sure I'm for Trump, but I hate what they're doing to him. And I think it's really unfair and it really bothers me. And I think that's true of almost every American. If they had picked one fight and gone after him legally on one ground, that might have made sense. But when you see them coming at him from every single angle and of course, now with with a problems, if any, Wallace has in Nevada, it begins to be like theater of the absurd. NEWT: I was just going to say when people realize that the District of Columbia voted 95% for Biden, that the current judge is a radical left winger, that the current prosecutor is so out of the rules that the Supreme Court actually admonished him for having broken the rules in trying to get another Republican politician years ago. They're just going to say this whole thing is rigged and I don't care what they try to do to Trump when it's rigged, the country is going to rally to the individual against the establishment and all they're doing I think they got Trump the nomination at least a month earlier. I really thought he would get it by the time we got to Super Tuesday. I never dreamed he would get it by the end of the New Hampshire primary, which was really the last great stand of the non-Trump Republicans. And it tells you that what's happened is the radical, corrupt Biden judicial department, the Justice Department has, in fact, so alienated people that given a choice, whatever Trump's weaknesses may sometimes be, he is the person standing and representing all of us who need protection from an out-of-control left wing government. And I think that gives him a strength that we have probably not seen in modern times.

NEWT: Well, look, I think when you realize that President Trump was born in Queens, spent most of his life in Manhattan, he's a he understands American cities. He sent all over the country in cities. And he recognized, as he said the other night, I was very pleased with his speech in Iowa after he won. And he said very clearly that Washington has to be cleared up. They've had over 6300 cars stolen last year, for example. They're averaging about 14 cars a day being stolen right now. The city's a disaster. That's our national capital. We have an obligation for it to be a good, safe, visitable national capital. But he also is aware that New York is a mess. Chicago is a mess. San Francisco is a mess. And I thought and he was very clear in his speech in Iowa and said he wants to reach out to Democratic mayors, Democratic city councils and find out can we, in fact, have a reform program that brings about safety, that fixes the education system, that creates jobs, and that returns us to a world in which America's cities are healthy, clean, wonderful to visit, And people both feel safe and the people of the city have a better future. I thought it was a very important break, and I think he's the first presidential candidate other than Jack Kemp, who really has begun to focus on the cities. And I hope he's going to come back and give a series of speeches because there are policies that could dramatically rebuild the cities. NEWT: Well, I thought what you heard the other night in his Iowa acceptance speech was actually the beginning of how he will govern not just a general election language, but I think he has in his own head a vision of bringing together virtually everybody except the hard left, working together as a very practical team and getting real things done. That also fits his career as a businessman. This is a guy who likes projects, He likes achievement, he likes getting things done. He proved it for four years. The polling data is overwhelming. The people feel like he was much more successful in their lives and improving their future than Joe Biden has been. And that's going to be both a great strength in the election, but more importantly, it's going to be a great strength in terms of governing the country starting in 2025. NEWT: I think he will. Look, I think he has a real shot at carrying New York. I know that's going to sound like blue sky, but you look at the disaster that the current governor is you look at the disaster that the mayor is you look at the anger people have over illegal immigration and over crime and over the drug epidemic and of the size of the taxes, the amount of corruption. I think you could find out that Lee Zeldin was a forerunner and that you're going to have a much more Republican New York in 2024 than anybody thought possible.

NEWT: Well, as you know, I almost never write anything down. And listening to the two brilliant people, you know, you just had two of the best analysts on American politics that we have. So I got five quick points. One, this is the people's victory. Despite every media, despite every lawsuit, despite every effort to destroy Trump, the people of Iowa have stood up and said, no, he is our candidate. Number two, he's the nominee. Get over it. He is the nominee. He's going to win the nomination. The news media doesn't want to say that because they they need to somehow hype please watch us while we go through this charade. There is no candidacy for number two. There is no number two. There are irrelevancies you get to be the leading irrelevant or the second irrelevant or the third irrelevant. But nobody is going to be number two because he's going to dominate totally If you look at the country at large, where he's at like 62 or 64% approval, Trump is not a candidate. Trump is the leader of a nationwide movement to take power back from the establishment. And that's why every time he's attacked by the judiciary, every time he's attacked by the news media, he gets stronger because people go, yep, that's what I thought. That's exactly what those corrupt people will do. And of course, starting with the Russian hoax, it's just clear these people lie all the time. Finally, Iowa has turned red when I first got involved in politics. Iowa was a very competitive state, and sometimes it was sort of Democrat state. But over the years, Iowa has moved away, and Trump is a big part of this. If you look at the who's winning elections in Iowa today, they're Republicans. If you look at which party is collapsing in Iowa today, it's the Democrats. That's a harbinger, I think, of what the next few years are going to be like. So that's my sweeping introduction. NEWT: It is irrelevant. It's hey, look, it's like, you know, being the nicest person in the school while you lose every game. Fine. I mean, he can go home and say he did the best he could. Nicki can go home and say she did the best she could. Ramaswamy can go home and say did the best he could. None of them are going to be the nominee, period. It is over. If you have any doubt about this, watch the returns come in tonight. This will be historically the largest margin ever for a Republican candidate in a multi-candidate field ever. At some point, people got to say to themselves oh he is going to be the nominee because not not because of him, but because the American people want him to be the nominee. He's going to be president because the American people want him to be president. NEWT: No, no. He is the nominee I mean look at the way. So in a worst case, there is 49 states. In the best case, he carries 50.

NEWT: And Al Gore tried it in a church in Pittsburgh in 2000. Now, certain basics that run through the Democratic Party. But I'll tell you what I think Republicans have to worry about as the Democrats panic they're going to increasingly use the Justice Department to literally try to destroy Trump so he can't compete. Whether that means knocking him off the ballot, whether it means locking him up, I mean, I think the judge in Washington, D.C., who is a total radical, relishes the idea of an excuse to put Trump in chains, literally in chains. And I think we should not underestimate that faced with the break of everything they believe in. And that's what Trump represents, is an alternative world where criminals stay in jail, immigrants stay out of the United States. We actually take steps to be strong again. And their view of that is that a Trump victory is the end of their world. And I think their ultimate response is going to come through the Justice Department and there's going to be an effort to, frankly, with total unconstitutionality, destroy Trump as a potential contender and just literally lock him up. NEWT: Look, but with all respect, I'm a historian, not a lawyer. You're an attorney. The people you interview are attorneys. They actually act as though the law matters. What you're dealing with is a team that believes in the rule of power, not the rule of law. And I think you I don't think we can imagine how prepared they are to do whatever it takes to make sure that we can't win this fall. I'm I'm genuinely worried for the country, really for the first time in my life, I think I think you're faced with a totally corrupt, radical ideology that is prepared to in every way, it has to use every element of power that it's got. And frankly, with the federal government, the New York state government, the attorney and Fulton County, they have a lot of tools to bring to bear to try to destroy us because they're terrified of us. NEWT: No, no, look, I agree with that entirely. My only point is we had better have a strategy all of us who are activists for what we do if you have a radical judge and then a district that went 19 to 1 against Trump with a radical U.S. attorney deliberately trying to destroy the election, I think that's the great threat. I think that Trump will win. I think he'll probably win in a landslide. But notice also your description of the Senate Republicans, they don't get it. The country doesn't want them selling out to the Democrats. The country wants us to aggressively stand up for America and take the heat if necessary. NEWT: Don't do it. Don't try it. Turn it down.

NEWT: Well, listen, happy New Year and you look at those numbers it's really hard to imagine in the next week how Trump is going to do anything except sweep Iowa. He's built his lead. He's actually worked the state. You know, Ron DeSantis gets 200 people, Trump gets 7000. That sort of tells you something. And Iowa is a caucus state where people have to care enough to turn out. And I have no doubt that the Trump system has identified over 100,000 people who have committed to turning out for the president. So you have to assume and we'll be talking I'm sure you and I will talk about it after it happens. But I think we have to assume that next week is going to be a huge victory for Donald Trump and a big step towards the nomination. A week later is probably the most dangerous state in the country for him because independents can vote there. The Republican governor is opposed to him and, you know, he may only capture, but my prediction is he'll probably carry New Hampshire by a significant margin. When you add that in, that means, for all practical purposes, the Republican nomination race will be over sometime in January or February, and he will be the nominee for all practical purposes and will be in a general election choice between a failing, amazingly destructive incumbent who every single month gets weaker and a president who reminds us that we had better gas prices, better inflation, better employment, better international relations when he was president. NEWT: I think that's very likely true. You know, I know there are a lot of Democrats who would like to get rid of Biden, but they can't figure out a way to do it, and I don't think they will. So I think the fact is our primary choices this year are going to be between former President Trump and the current president. And given the economy, given that the 12 million I mean, think about what Jim Jordan said. 12 million illegal immigrants, those are Biden's illegal immigrants because it's Biden's illegal immigration policy. It's deliberate. That's going to be a big issue. Crime is going to be a big issue. The economy is going to be a big issue. And every one of those issues, Joe Biden is going to lose. NEWT: Well, let's divide the two. Government shutdowns is Joe Biden's problem. He's the president. It's his job to figure out how to keep it open. If it doesn't stay open, it's Joe Biden's failure. He won't negotiate. He won't talk. He won't confront the border. He won't do the obvious easy things. So in the end, the country is going to say the Biden administration failed once again because the House Republicans will have a proposal. They will get it through. I think that the speaker, Mike Johnson, is doing a pretty darn good job of unifying his conference, as you pointed out, to Jim Jordan. I mean, with a two vote margin, I can't imagine as a former speaker trying to get as much done as they're going to get done. So, first of all, any failure will be Joe Biden. Second, I think when you get to these court challenges, they are a perfect example of Venezuela or Russia or any other place that has totally phony systems. When you look at the attorney general of New York asking for $375 million in a fraud case in which there are zero people claiming fraud, not a single person came in and said that Donald Trump defrauded them. But the politicians of New York want to destroy him. When you look at the case in D.C., you have a radical left wing judge who is openly contemptuous of the president. You have, I think, a totally out of control prosecutor. And you have a district area where the voters were 19 to 1 against Trump. You're not going to get an honest an honest jury. They're going to have a chance to have a jury of your peers and the American people know that. So I think every time the Democrats use the law to try to destroy their opponents, they actually increase the strength of Donald Trump. NEWT: How do you do that? I mean, you have a president of the United States who is spending trillions of dollars paying off all of his friends to the most corrupt administration in history he’s going to have all the delegates. They will have voted for him. You know, he's gone through the primary. He's gone through the conventions. How do you how do you show up suddenly and say, why don't we dump the guy that every single one of us is committed to? And furthermore, how do you do that and jump past Kamala Harris for somebody else? I think that the part of the black community that's deeply democratic would explode if they saw Kamala Harris being dumped for somebody else. And so I don't I just don't see how they do it.

NEWT: Well, I think law and order will be one of them in a variety of ways. First of all, Biden is not enforcing the law at the border. So you have a whole question there of just, you know, obeying the law. He swore an oath to obey the law, that he's not obeying the law. You have, I think, green corruption. We're going to find out billions of dollars have been stolen, much of it by people who donate to the Democratic Party. You're going to find that Washington, D.C., which frankly, a Congress should take control of. We just had 975 carjackings, 975 in one year. The guy you just showed on TV already had charges in two states, had a record of being violent and frankly, shouldn't be on the street. We have we're at a crossroads between civilization and the kind of collapse which will take generations to recover from if we ever do. You saw some of that on the universities where you had people openly saying they favored terrorism, they favored genocide. Those of us who believe in civilization have to stand up and firmly commit ourselves to taking this country back in a direction of law and order, of real opportunities, of people having an ability to be safe and to have an ability, frankly, to pursue happiness without somebody mugging you or robbing you or carjacking you. These are all real issues. NEWT: Well, my sense is that a lot of people who are moving have figured it out and they're not going to go back to the kind of crazy left wing policy. You have the governor of New York now, for example, recommending a reparations commission. A totally stupid idea that has no possible. And it would be one more effort to take things away. You know, you have California. California adopts all sorts of nutty rules. And I think that what you're going to have is an election this this year between continuing down a road that most of us know doesn't work or taking back America and returning to a path that has made us the greatest country in the world.

NEWT: Well, look, I think at a practical level, when you look at all the information, what you have is essentially what I called in a recent newsletter the Delaware Sopranos. This is a crime family. They were willing to sell out the interest of the United States, as somebody said the other day, you now have, in effect, a Chinese Russian paid agent sitting in the Oval Office. It's very hard for me to think that any normal person looking at the amount of evidence that every single day gets bigger. And Chairman Colmer has been a part of that and has done a good job of digging into this. You also have people at the Ways and Means Committee. You have people, with Jim Jordan at the Judiciary Committee. Every day something new comes out and presently you're going to have such an enormous mound of evidence that it's going to be very hard for reasonable people to not at least say, we need to know what's going on. I'll be very curious as all of this develops, whether there won't be some Democrats who vote for the impeachment process when it comes to the floor of the House. And I can't imagine, given everything which has been surfaced, why any Republican would vote against them. Remember this is not a vote on impeachment. It's a vote on investigating and using the system in order to bring to the surface things that at least today look like there amazingly criminal. NEWT: Look, there are a couple of clear things here. First, Joe Biden is a liar and a crook. Second, there was an amazing amount of foreign influence pouring into this country from Kazakhstan, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, China. I mean, this is clearly the biggest presidential scandal in American history in terms of sheer influence peddling. In addition, it's very clear to me at least that they built an entire structure. You have to say to yourself, why would they have all of these shell companies? Why would they have this elaborate system of trying to hide what was going on? We know more and more that there were all sorts of emails. I saw one report today that Joe Biden as vice president may have sent several hundred emails to various people who worked for one of the companies that Hunter had set up. But but here's the bigger picture. You didn't go around, you know, go about this leaf or that leaf. You can argue about this tree or that tree, but when you see the whole forest, it's pretty hard to reach any conclusion except these people methodically set out to make money doing things that they knew were wrong to take money from foreigners, including our major competitors in the world, and then to methodically lie about it. I mean, it's very hard to look at the bigger picture and not reach that conclusion.

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NEWT: Well, because the fact is, their idea of standing up for Palestine is to wipe out every Jew in Israel. Remember when, when Hamas talks., they're very clear about this, they say not a single Jew will remain. So let's not kid each other. The people who are out there rallying for Hamas are rallying for terrorism and for genocide. And frankly, we should be much more aggressive in responding to it and much more aggressive in deporting any student who's here on a student visa who's involved in this kind of pro terrorist, pro genocide position. And we should also be investigating our universities who have become basically hothouses for growing people who I think are crazy I mean their position would involve wiping out all the people in Israel. And I don't think they understand it. I think their professors have totally misled them. And I think that it's time for decent people to stand up and say, enough. NEWT: Look, I think having billionaires or multi-millionaires like John Kerry fly around the world, remember, there's an entire climate change industry. There were 400,000 people, 400,000. They're all gathered together to earn a living off the taxpayers of the world, selling us stuff that doesn't work. The Europeans will tell you relying on wind and relying on solar means, one, you'll go broke and two, you're going to be very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer because the systems don't work enough to replace fossil fuels. What you have and you're seeing this, by the way, with automobiles, were auto dealers have written Biden and said we can't sell the cars. Government mandates don't work if the customers refuse to show up. So, I mean, Kerry is basically represents the insanely extreme wing of the environmental movement. I taught environmental studies. I think there are a lot of practical, commonsense things you can do, none of which would appeal to John Kerry. NEWT: Well, look, I think if you're a Democrat, you have to ask yourself, do you want to vote against learning what happened with Chinese money, Russian money, Kazakhstan money, Romanian money, Ukraine money. Do you really want to go home and say, yes, I defended Joe Biden's right to be a crook. If you're a Republican, do you really want to guarantee a primary opponent by voting against looking at it? This doesn't impeach him. There's simply gives Congress additional power to force the White House to reveal documents and to force people to come and testify. And frankly, given the amount we've learned already about the money that came in from all these dictatorships and the degree to which the Biden family is essentially corrupt, I think the American people deserve to know whether or not their commander in chief is, in fact, in debt to the Chinese dictator, the Russian dictator, etc.. It is really pretty shocking and probably the biggest presidential scandal in American history.

NEWT: Well, look, I think that the left is deeply committed to taking your money. Spending it on their friends. I mean, think about the irony. You go to the Middle East, the center of producing oil and gas in order to have a conference about why you shouldn't produce oil and gas. And they're good enough that they say with a straight face. I mean, this is, you know, an amazing Broadway show which goes all over the world playing from place to place. Its John Kerry flying in to the next five star hotel to go to the next gourmet restaurant in order to be deeply worried. At which point he has to go back, get on his plane to go to the next five star hotel, to the next gourmet restaurant to be even more worried. This whole thing is an elite rip off of everyday workers. And that's why you're seeing in Argentina and Holland and Italy and across the planet a move towards the right from people who begin to realize they're the ones paying. You know, when John Kerry talks about giving away money, guess what? That's your money. John Kerry is cheerful about taking money from you to give to these people he's never met who will then, by the way, mostly squander it. They won't achieve anything. It's an absurdity. And historians will someday look back and say, how could they have been so stupid for so long? NEWT: His words suggest a redistribution because they want to skim off the top to take care of their friends. If we had a list of every green energy project the US government has funded, which has failed totally and then said, Well, where did the money go? You'll find virtually all of them are donors to the Democratic Party. This whole thing is a rigged game. NEWT: Well, let me say, first of all, Callista and I are going to watch because I think it's, you know, in Newsom's case, he wants to be the available candidate in case anything happens to Biden. He can't be too aggressive. He can't say anything negative. But he wants to be the number one person. And if anything happens to Biden and the Democrats become desperate for a candidate in DeSantis case, he wants to restart a campaign which didn't do very well for the first nine months. But I think the choice here and I've talked to Sean about this, you have two profoundly different philosophies with two amazingly different results. You have people moving into Florida at a wild level. You have people leaving California. And to just say to each of them, explain why you think people are coming to your state. And in the case of Newsom, explain why you think people are leaving your state. Remember, San Francisco was such a disaster. They created an entire Potemkin village of fakery so that Xi Jinping could arrive without being embarrassed. And the day he left, they took it all down. I mean, the whole system in California is collapsing so badly that it's kind of astonishing. But the Democrats have so much power and the media out there is so irrelevant that the state just keeps stumbling towards disaster. And as a result, millions of people are leaving California.

NEWT: Well, I think they're doing a lot of it. I think that if you look at the bills, they've been passing aid Israel, but offset by cutting money out of the Internal Revenue Service, a series of steps, a very strong parental rights bill that virtually every Democrat voted against. I think there are a lot of steps they can take. But you also have to be realistic. I think what Speaker Johnson decided was that keeping the government open was the practical next step given where they were in the mess that they'd been in, and I suspect that was right, now they're going to have some big fights over appropriations. But in the long run, there are a lot of other things the House Republicans are doing that are going to end up mattering. The fact is that the Biden family increasingly looks like in a newsletter recently I called them the Delaware Sopranos. We get more evidence every week from people like Chairman Comer and Chairman Jordan and Chairman Smith. Every single week. We're getting more evidence that this is just a family of crooks. And that's an important job, which would not be happening if the House Republicans didn't have a majority. So I think you're going to see both the process of legislation and the process of investigation moving forward. But but let me also be clear. If if Biden can't solve the challenge with Israel, the challenge with Ukraine, the challenge on the border, the challenge with fentanyl, the challenge with crime, the challenge with prices going up everywhere. Callista and I were just out shopping yesterday and I mean, the degree to which grocery prices keep going up affects every single American. It's not about polling. It's not about advertising. It's about pain. NEWT: Well, I think the I've done a lot of work on what happened in the midterms and what happened just a week ago. And part of my conclusion is that Republicans do not yet understand the scale of the Democratic machine. When you take the Service Employees union, you take the teachers union. You take the left wing activist groups. You take billionaires like Soros. The total weight if you go U.S. Senate race by U.S. Senate race, for example, or narrow House races or in Virginia, some of the legislative races, we're just not big enough. And we're like a mid-sized college team in the Super Bowl. And we're going to have to really get a grip this year on what are we going to do to offset the sheer weight of left wing money, which is desperately trying to retain control for a practical reason, Joe Biden is spending six trillion two hundred billion dollars annually. Now if you're a left wing union or a left wing interest group, losing control of 6.2 trillion gets you pretty darn motivated. And that's a big part of what's going on. NEWT: Well, I think it's very dangerous for the Republicans and very dangerous for the country. What you have today is a nationwide machine on the left, a machine made up of interest groups. I mean, for example, the New York City Democrats are going to be asking for billions to pay for Joe Biden's illegal immigrants. Billions. And they're going to want the money. The city of Chicago, the mayor is going to want billions. You go across the whole country and what you see is interest group after interest group that's going to want the money. What you have on the Republican side are people who are really worried about the budget. They really want to get to a balance. They want to save Social Security and Medicare. Well, all those things are a direct threat to the interest groups on the left. Now, the difference in a presidential race, particularly if Donald J. Trump's involved, is he is such a huge figure. He is not a candidate. He is the champion of millions of Americans, the leader of a movement very different than anything we've seen in most of American history. He can rise above, no matter how much money the left has. He has the capacity to reach the American people despite them. And you have to say, as of tonight, he's certainly going to be the nominee. And the odds are much better than even maybe three out of five or four out of five that he'll be the next president, which, as it sinks in, is going to drive the left crazy.

NEWT: Sure. It's not complicated. If people are passive, if they're timid, if they're afraid. Evil dominates. This is not complicated at all. When good men and good women refuse to stand up for the truth, evil dominates. So let's look at a couple of And first of all, as my wife Callista just said in a newsletter, TikTok should either be banned or they should sell it to an American company. But the idea of having a Chinese communist propaganda system in the United States is just crazy. Second, we need to learn to say to young people, this is wrong. You are stupid. We need to stand up for civilization and not be timid and not be confused when babies are beheaded. It is evil. It's not confusing. It's not complicated. Osama bin Laden was a terrorist whose goal was to destroy the United States. Now, let's you know, this is why I think we should go back to having the Pledge of Allegiance in every classroom, every morning. We need to re-instill in people a sense of patriotism. This country is unique. It is valuable. It has human rights at a level no country has ever had before. And we have to be prepared to defend it. And today, our elites are so confused that they're dominated by people who are basically mentally ill. NEWT: Look, you have in the Democratic Party on the left, a group of people who don't believe in America. They want open borders because they want to drown America with foreigners. They also, frankly, don't believe in American patriotism. They don't believe in America as a unique civilization. So this is a fact. That's a reality. And the Biden administration is trapped by these people into a series of policies that, by any reasonable standard are insane. The fact is that we have to have control of our borders. But beyond that, there are students who are here who have been demonstrating for anti-Semitism, demonstrating for genocide in Israel. Those students should all be deported, period. Whether they have a student visa or whatever kind of visa they have, they have no right to be in America if they're in favor of evil. And I would regard the kind of things we saw Hamas do on October 7th as pure evil and therefore worthy of standing up to it.

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