Caleb Hegg

In this video, we start our coming-of-age series by looking at covenants. What is a covenant, why are covenants important for the Bible, and understanding that God is a covenantal God. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters, a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this installment of our covenants study, we look at the term "Old Covenant" to see how it is used in the Bible. We also look at various places that talk about the Spirit and how this relates to the New Covenant believer. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters, a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this portion of our study on biblical covenants, we look at the New Covenant and highlights some of the things that many seem to skip over. We also talk about how the New Covenant is not time bound. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters, a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this installment of our study on biblical covenants, we look at suzerain/vassal treaties and how the ten commandments and the book of Deuteronomy follow the pattern of these 15th century BCE treaties. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters, a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this installment of our study in biblical covenants, we look at the Covenant of Grant in the ANE and how it applies to the Abrahamic covenant. We also discuss various aspects of the Gospel and how it is found in the chapters of Genesis. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters, a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this first installment of our study in covenants, we look at what exactly is a covenant and attempt to define it. We then move to a list of covenants that is put forward by "Got Questions" and push on some of what is presented. We also look at the "Covenant of Works" and consider if this is a biblical concept or not. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters, a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this intro video to our new series, I talk about why I have chosen this topic, some of the things we will cover in this series, and the basic schedule I hope to follow in releasing these videos. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters ( / messiahmatt.. , a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In the final installment of our study on Acts 15, we look at verse 21, a verse that has puzzled scholars and preachers for hundreds of years. We also look at an article published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society on this verse. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

Acts 15 is a wonderful chapter that is often misunderstood. In this series we will look at the historical context of this chapter, how mainstream Christianity has interpreted it, and we will look at different views including a newer proposal that I have put forward. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

What does the Bible say about mental illness? And what does the Law of God say about someone who commits a crime but is mentally ill? In this video we look at the law and how God's judicial system deals with mental illness. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this video I look at the history and formation of the Hebrew Roots movement. With no faith statement or main leader it is difficult to pinpoint what constitutes this belief. In this video I suggest there are three theological points that set this movement apart. Links: Assemblies of Yahweh https://assembliesofyahweh.com/sacred-name-broadcaster/ Debate Between Joe Good, Anthony Buzzard VS. James White, Michael Brown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4joi2P9lupw&t=0s List of Sacred Name Organizations https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/sacred-name-groups-0#B Hebrew Roots Network https://www.hebraicrootsnetwork.com/

There is a movement that has been called "Messianic Judaism," but what is this theology and does it differ from the Hebrew Roots movement? In this video I discuss Messianic Judaism, Messianic Jews, and the history and theology of this movement. International Messianic Jewish Alliance https://theimja.org/about/ Messianic Movement – by MJAA https://mjaa.org/messianic-movement/ UMJC History https://www.umjc.org/history Wikipedia on Messianic Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

In this clip from my response to Messian[t]ics (https://youtu.be/f4qDG-qhqK4), I show the total double standard that is pushed. If Gentiles reject Jewish tradition it's anti-semitic, but if Messianics reject Jewish tradition, its just fine. Messian[t]ics Show #160 https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jAES7BHP3oLZw4TltxaAF?si=kd5pY30xSZuYtE7zjSWSOg Messiani[t]cs Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/6KQcCMPj5lWXEuQPrAzsln?si=8f06f25e6ebe4eb5) Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this clip from my response to Messian[t]ics (https://youtu.be/f4qDG-qhqK4), I respond to the idea that rejecting Jewish tradition is somehow anti-semitic. Messian[t]ics Show #160 https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jAES7BHP3oLZw4TltxaAF?si=kd5pY30xSZuYtE7zjSWSOg Messiani[t]cs Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/6KQcCMPj5lWXEuQPrAzsln?si=8f06f25e6ebe4eb5) Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this clip from my response to Messian[t]ics (https://youtu.be/f4qDG-qhqK4), I discuss the idea that Gentiles share in the blessings and covenants of Israel. Messian[t]ics Show #160 https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jAES7BHP3oLZw4TltxaAF?si=kd5pY30xSZuYtE7zjSWSOg Messiani[t]cs Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/6KQcCMPj5lWXEuQPrAzsln?si=8f06f25e6ebe4eb5) Rockhill Statement https://rockhillstatement.com/ Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this video, I take the first half of the Messian[t]cs Podcast and show why I believe these arguments are not only wrong but unfair to those who are attempting to claim the title Pronomian Christianity. Messian[t]ics Show #160 https://open.spotify.com/episode/4jAES7BHP3oLZw4TltxaAF?si=kd5pY30xSZuYtE7zjSWSOg Messiani[t]cs Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/6KQcCMPj5lWXEuQPrAzsln?si=8f06f25e6ebe4eb5) Rockhill Statement https://rockhillstatement.com/

Many Christians are pushing against the idea that Christmas is pagan in origin. The argument goes that Christmas comes from Christian tradition and is fine for believers to celebrate. But there is one thing that many scholars and apologists say that seems to be against Scripture. What is it? In this video I look at three pro-Christmas clips and respond to the common belief in all of them. Videos Used Dr. York SBTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-qnRII5QZ0 Mike Winger: Is Christmas Pagan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugxJBb0lPXQ&t=1525s Inspiring Philosophy: Christmas is Not Pagan 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcvJWPTY64&t=2s Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, a website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this video I address a comment on my video about Hillel and Shabbai (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VRgx1Ps90), that talks about the emerging Pronomian movement. If you would like to help support my work and the website Pronomian.com, you can do so by becoming a member for as little as $5 a month: https://pronomian.com/store/ Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this quick response, I look at an objection to my video on Hillel and Shammai (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VRgx1Ps90) which states I made the video because of my "Calvinist outlook." If you would like to help support my work and the website Pronomian.com, you can do so by becoming a member for as little as $5 a month: https://pronomian.com/store/ Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this objection that came in opposition to my video on Hillel and Shammai (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VRgx1Ps90), someone suggests that this stance comes from a want to distance myself from Jewish worship. Find the prayer book I compiled titled, "Praying the Scriptures" at this link: https://pronomian.com/product/praying-the-scriptures/ Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this video, I look at a comment that was in response to my video on Hillel and Shammai (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VRgx1Ps90), and asks the question what is the endgame of this point of view? If you would like to help support my work and the website Pronomian.com, you can do so by becoming a member for as little as $5 a month: https://pronomian.com/store/ Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

Inh this video, I respond to some of the critical comments that have been posting in regard to my last video on Hillel and Shammai (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VRgx1Ps90) where I suggest that the saying attributed to HIllel and Shammai were later inventions by rabbinical sages to give weight and authority to rabbinical literature. This time, with reference to scholars. If you would like to help support my work and the website Pronomian.com, you can do so by becoming a member for as little as $5 a month: https://pronomian.com/store/ Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this video, I discuss my unorthodox view of the two famous houses of Hillel and Shammai. Many believe these two rabbis dominated the thought of the first century and that we should read their debates back into the Apostolic Scriptures. But is this a legitimate way to think of these two figures? Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

Chris Rosebrough from Fighting for the Faith recently made a video that looks at Rosh Hashanah and why this isn't a biblical festival. In this video I give the reasons I believe Mr. Rosebrough is wrong and right about Rosh HaShanah. Learn more about Pronomian theology: Pronomian.com - http://pronomian.com/ TorahResource - https://torahresource.com Let's be friends: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/caleb.hegg Twitter - https://twitter.com/calebhegg Gettr - https://www.gettr.com/user/calebhegg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/c-1412364 Who I Am: My name is Caleb Hegg, I am from Tacoma WA. I make videos about theology and living a life of faith from a pronomian (pro-law) perspective. I am also the co-host of Messiah Matters (https://www.youtube.com/c/MessiahMatt..., a weekly show that discusses theology. Beyond this, my wife and I run Growing in Messiah, I website dedicated to helping parents raise godly families. I am also a student at SBTS in the M.Div program. Currently, my wife and I live in Tacoma WA. with our four children.

In this Covenant Conversation, I talk with Andrew Schumacher who has been vocal in his stance against the theological position of the Mosaic law being binding on Christians. We discuss some of his views on covenant members and their relationship to Israel, the New Covenant, and how he views some of the laws that seem to be biding even in the end times such as the Sabbath and the kosher laws. Join the conversation in the Pronomian Theology Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/434173231452994 Find pronomian resources on our site: https://pronomian.com/ Andrew Schumacher is the founder of Beginning of Wisdom (https://beginningwisdom.org/) and bachelor’s degree in philosophy. He has been a guest on shows such as Cultish and has been a vocal voice against heretical Christian views in his writing and videos. Caleb Hegg is the founder of Pronomian.com, a site dedicated to the study of God's covenants and law. Caleb has lectured at various conferences around the world, and written multiple published articles, most notably, several articles in "Celebrate the Feast" (TorahResource, 2019). Caleb Hegg received a two-year certificate from TR-Institute. Caleb is currently enrolled at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in an M.Div program.