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Today I talk with Former SSG who was in the 75th Ranger Regiment, Mike Glover. Mike comes from a long line of soldiers, his Dad was in the Army Special Forces (Green Beret) and his grandfather was fought in the elite MACV-SOG. Mike has fought his battles that risked his life but when he was challenged to stand up to his peers…he stood strong and did not waver his morals. Hear more about Mike in this podcast. Learn how to purchase the best meat I’ve cooked. This meeting will take place on October 10th at 8pm CST. Register for the zoom meeting at Joinmyproject.org As always please like, share and follow. Please check out my Patreon account (https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. 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On this podcast, you'll be encouraged to question everything Nurse Kelly: and to have the courage to stand for the truth. Nurse Kelly: And now to your host, Doctor Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank everybody. For all your support, especially my Patreon supporters, we've got an anonymous donor at 20. 20 a month. We have the Plandemic Reprimando tier at 17. 76 a month with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian. and Megan, and we have the self made 10 level with Kevin and Patton Bev. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have the refined, not [00:02:00] burned level at 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer. Ken, Rick, Mary. We also have Addison Mulder giving 3 a month and Frank giving 1. 50 a month. And then, the Courage is Contagious tier at 1 a month with Amanda, Jay, SpessNasty, Darrell, Susan, BB King, and Caleb. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank everybody, all the new supporters on. There's a few new ones there, new names. If you want to get your name on this list and be mentioned every time at the beginning of every episode and in the credits and help me look at my Patreon, see if it's something right for you. I want to introduce my next guest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's very special. He is Mike Glover. Not the Mike Glover that you may have seen in other places. This Mike Glover was in the Ranger Regiment. Mike, great to have you on. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I appreciate it, Sam. It's good to be here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay, so we had a technical difficulty, but now we should be back. All right, Mike Glover, great to have you on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Tell me your experience because you have a unique [00:03:00] experience. You were in the Ranger Regiment and you did some work with them. And the reason you're no longer in the military is because of the whole COVID shot issue. Tell us some of your story. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I did just under 10 years in the 75th range regiment. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I did six plus a couple of months, six to seven years in first range battalion. I was went through the normal progression of a enlisted guy from, private, just carrying a rifle. I was a gun team leader ended up being a sniper team leader. And then I fire team leader is my last job. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: While I was there, I did six deployments in my six years. And then about halfway through my last deployment they were requesting guys to go up to Fort Benning to go be instructors at RASP, at Ranger Assessment Selection Program. So basically it was, gonna be probably one guy from each company had to go, one or two. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was on that list and I said, okay, yeah, it sounds like a good deal, be a good break. So I went up there and I was a marksmanship instructor. And then I worked in the What's called pre RAS, which is basically the holding cell for candidates before they actually start the RAS [00:04:00] program. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I did that up until from 2019, late 2019, up until September 14th of 2022. And that was my last day on active duty because I got chapter obviously for refusing the vaccine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, before we started recording, you told me a little bit about what was going on, but when word of the shot first came out, what were you, what was your feeling, what was your impression, what was going on, with, let's say, you and your wife, was she on board with your stance, or did she... Did she get on board with your stance at a certain point when she realized things were different than what they were telling everyone? Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Oh I think it, to make that decision, it went back a little bit farther than that. So on my fourth deployment I was in Syria and that was, I think the first time I actually got to see the second and third order effects of what we were doing at the time. And it, this ties into to it later. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I saw oh, wow, we're not just. [00:05:00] The U. S. government. doing the U. S. government stuff. We were actually helping people trying to clear ISIS out of the city. So then I did, another deployment to Afghanistan, and then I went on my final deployment, my sixth deployment to Afghanistan. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Great time. I worked with some of the greatest people I've ever met. Still talk to most of them today, to this day. But what I thought was weird is we were action, or actioning targets left and right. Had a pretty active summer. So we But my first objective that deployment, then my last objective on that deployment were relatively close to each other to the point where it was almost in a almost the same village, if I remember correctly. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And it got me thinking I'm not anti war by any means, but I'm like, what are we accomplishing here? So then I started that kind of opened my mind up a little bit more to. I guess think on my own. So then I go up to be a instructor at Fort Benning. But what year was that? I worked with guys from that was in, so I was deployed for the summer of 2019. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And then I went to Fort Benning in November or December of 2019. [00:06:00] So I had a, I opened it and I grew up, my dad is a retired Green Beret. That's actually how I knew John funny enough, but he's retired Green Beret and then he was a government contractor. So I grew up around the military and around the deployment lifestyle. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But anyway, we when I was up at Fort Benning, basically, I think I did maybe one class and I was a brand new instructor. So I was a. Shadowing the other more senior guys at the time, and then the whole pandemic kicked off. Everything started locking down. I started really questioning everything then, because every to my knowledge, every or at least most other schools and selections in the SOF community or just in the military in general were put on halt. I actually had a buddy who got turned down from going to CAG selection twice. He got accepted once and then turned down two more times after that. Because of covid brass was still running. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: We were still running classes, full classes. We were only we were doing three day work weeks, but it was still running. So I started questioning it as I was like, I'm around [00:07:00] anywhere from 50 to 165 students on a daily basis. Is this is really as dangerous as we think and most rangers are pretty, pretty healthy people. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Most green berets. Most people in the soft community are pretty healthy athletic guys. And it's a virus with, a 99. 9 percent survival rate. So I personally never got it. And if I didn't know I never missed a day of work for it. I started questioning it, went through all the different theories on. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah. Is this real? Is it, is this just a a sign up against the American people from our own government from whoever. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So you were saying that I want to make sure I got this right. That all of these schools. Stop making, stop taking students. Is that what you said Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: to my knowledge? At least most of them did where they were shutting down schoolhouses. I'm not sure about airborne school, which should be actually the 1 that I know the most about other than RAS because we sent them straight from Rasta airborne. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But it was just weird to me that, I'd [00:08:00] heard I could be completely wrong in this, but I had heard through the grapevine buds while I had stopped. SFAS had stopped CAG selection had stopped and not permanently, but a couple that, were, I think they were waiting to figure out what was going to happen, but we kept running. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Range regiment kept, we kept the machine continues to turn. So that's made me be like, what are we doing here? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just want to draw attention to that decision. The, these pipelines stopping for a short period of time means that those men at the tip of the spear, the ones that fight the wars these days, they, we weren't making them for a period of time, a month, two months, I don't know how long. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's how scared everyone was, that, when you had doctors saying, Yeah, it was incredible. It's not that bad, it's a 99. 86 percent survival rate. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, it was a it was weird to me to see the upper echelon and not, I was a staff sergeant. I was an E6. By the time information got to me, it was completely different. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But it was weird to see that. And some people within my chain of command[00:09:00] took that as we're 75th range regiment you need a job done, you give it to the 75th Ranger Regiment, we'll make something, no matter what, we make stuff happen. At first, I was like, yeah, okay, yeah, that's true. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: You give Rangers a task, we're gonna make it happen. But also on the more intellectual side of that, I was like I don't think so. To me, that just sounds like something that command teams push out to motivate the guys, or whatever they want to call it. But, yeah, the, so I made my decision after I, I was like, I don't need a shot. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: That's experimental. That technically was illegal at the time because, there's a going on, but they weren't actually authorized. The, to my knowledge, the order that. Lloyd Austin put out was actually illegal. I told my company commander, I said I'm I took an oath just like everyone else did and my morals don't allow me to follow unlawful orders. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And my oath doesn't. Obviously, I, I've seen that people who take the oath seriously are looked down on now. Basically, if you don't tow the line and do what you're [00:10:00] told, you're a problem. So anyway, I made the decision I'm not going to get it. And I was actually going through some brain scans and some neurological stuff at the time. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Just from, and every Ranger has this. Every, anyone who's been in combat has this. Just a lot of TBI's and brain issues, sleep, irritability, all kinds of stuff. Memory loss is my biggest problem. I told my company commander I was like, Hey, sir, I don't I'm gonna hold off from getting the shot because I was trying to buy myself some time. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I went over to the I said, I'm gonna buy myself some time so that I don't because I'm worried about the blood clotting. I don't want to die. At the time I was 27 or 28, 29 now, but I was like, I don't want to not going to die. over this over a shot. And he said, Okay, that's fine. But the next step in the counseling is you have to go talk to your medical provider. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I walked across the street to the ranger clinic there and talked to either a P. A. Or doctor. But, it was a ranger wearing a tambourine scrolling a shoulder. He's a major. I wish I remember his name. And I voiced my concerns to him. And without missing a beat, he said, Oh the covert shot will actually help with your memory loss. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And at that point, I [00:11:00] just, said, Roger, sir. I turn around and walked out and that was when I made the decision. I was like, all right this is the end of my career. This is it for me. So I went back into my company commander's office and told him he was a good guy. He was a good commander. I don't knock him necessarily. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I do knock him because he was in line with all the other officers and senior NCOs that said, Oh, I'm just doing my job, but I don't knock him because he did go to bat for me. A couple of different times to have the process, make sure I was taken care of anyway. I told him, I said, Hey, sir, I'm not taking a shot. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He's it's a medical is a religious and you and I discussed. I'm not a at the time. I wasn't very much a very religious guy since I've changed. But I said, no, sir, I was like, it's a moral thing for me and. I told him what the doctor said, and I said, I'm just gonna be honest. I'm just not gonna do it. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So tell me where to sign so we can start this process. And that was sometime in late 2021. Took him a year to get me a year and a half to get me out of the army. It seems like he was good about it. And we actually skipped quite a few steps. I got a it's supposed to be like a 6 week process. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: There is something I can't [00:12:00] remember off the top of my head where you got to go talk to this person and they're not allowed to take any adverse action against you. That was in Secretary Austin's office. Directives and his orders. So they gave, I part of the I call it the coercion steps. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: It wasn't counseling. I was, they were trying to coerce me to get it. They said if you don't get it, you're going to get a GOMAR, general officer's memorandum of reprimand. I was like, okay you just tell me where to sign. I got a GOMAR. I actually plan on framing that and put it next to my ranger plaques. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Were you in that auditorium when some general. I don't know if it was Major General Donahoe was giving everyone a go mart, and there was a man in a suit who was a captain, Captain Ritter, and he stood up and said, You lie, or something to that nature, and said, You don't have co marity, and they escorted him out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Were you there? No, I wish I was though. He's another friend and I've interviewed him a while back. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah. It sounds like it's cut from the same cloth. That sounds like a good American to [00:13:00] me, but yeah. And, I ended up talking about it. They didn't know what to do. It was my company commander told me and you talk to any officer in Ranger Regiment, they go back to the conventional army back and forth to go do time there before they come back. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So they spend half their career, the conventional army, and a lot of them joke around and say, yeah, most of your job as an officer in the conventional army is actually disciplinary action and kicking people out of the army. But when it came to the covid shot, they're like, we have no idea what to do. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: We didn't expect this. So I'm like, okay. I kept working, kept doing my job, would go to work every day. I'd run PT with the candidates with, the other cadre up until probably I'd say my last 4 months. And I remember I told my NCUIC guy named Dylan, a real good buddy of mine, good guy, but he I told him, and I told the, I say the boys, I told the other guys that I was instructors with, I said it was a Friday, I was like, hey, I'm not going to be here on Monday. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: They're like what, you taking leave? And I was like, nah, I was like, I'm getting fired, man. I was like, why would I continue to work if I'm getting fired? I told Dylan and they were all yeah, that makes total sense, man. There's a couple couple [00:14:00] people that didn't appreciate that, but my company commander did tell me cause I would come in maybe once every week or two, had a big mustache, wearing gym clothes the whole time. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But I went into my company commander's office and I was like, Hey sir, just touching base, trying to see where we're at. And he's I, we got nothing blah, blah, blah. And I told him, I was like, Hey, I'm going to be traveling quite a bit, going to different job interviews out of state. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And he was really good about it. Like I was saying earlier, he was like, you told me, he's dude you do whatever you need to do to take care of yourself and your family. And he actually recommended to the battalion commander that I get an honorable discharge. So he folded, but he also there's horror stories of other guys whose chain of command were. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Ruthless to him. Actually, a friend of mine got kicked out of the Marine Corps and got an other honorable discharge because of it. So I'm fortunate enough that I did at the time, my chain, they ended up switching out about my last three months and, but that chain of command I had at the time, my company commander, my first sergeant were, they were rock stars about it. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And my battalion commander and battalion sergeant major, they were good about it, but it was not to rant But it was also an eye [00:15:00] opening experience and just for anyone is it would be actually I sent an email to my battalion commander and a long story short. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I said, I see everyone across the soft community, the military across range regiment. Everyone's a sellout right now. And I said we, to my knowledge where the, and it's not me patting myself on the back at all. I was just fortunate enough to be in a great organization. We're the only unit that deploys to, combat and we're not deployed to Japan, but deploying to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, name your name, your war zone every single year. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Rangers have been in combat every single day since, October of 2001. I was like, me. The one thing we're really good at not to sound like a war monger, we're really good at killing bad guys. And we love to do it. But so these guys, they're okay with leaving their families, going to war. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: That's all we look forward to is deployment as a Ranger. That's all you care about is, I just want to go on deployment. But they were afraid to say no. To the chain of command for this, so they're not scared to go get shot, blown up, kill people faster [00:16:00] about helicopters in the middle of the night onto the, doing an X landing on a roof, but they're afraid to say no to their chain of command for a shot that they know is dangerous and I know guys that have that are within regiment or outside of regiment both that are having medical problems now that were. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Physical specimens, only thing that changed in their life was they got a shot. And now there's guys with heart problems, all kinds of stuff. You're a doctor, better than I do. But because of that email, I actually had to my battalion commander email me back and he said staff Sergeant Glover, I appreciate your concern, but I would like to if you would like to have a teleconference, I'm willing to do that. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I read this email out loud to all my buddies who were all E 5s, E 6s, and E 7s also. And one of them, a guy named Damien, he said he said, Mike, that's your cue to shut the hell up. So I was like, nope. I emailed him back, typed up. I said sir, instead of a teleconference, I'd like to have a face to face meeting. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So he said, okay, be in my office, March 7th or whatever it was, at 09. So I went over there and I'd sent this on a template actually on staff [00:17:00] duty because you have to do a one up one down kind of thing. And on the template, it literally says, use me, do not save over me. You're not, just from this interview, I'm a caveman with technology and I saved over on an accident without my knowledge. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So everyone who had been on staff duty since then had seen, Oh, what did Mike say? So the whole battalion saw this. I didn't know that I go up to S3 and I'm waiting in the S3 office, talking to some of my buddies that that were former cadre with me and they're like, Oh, you're here to talk to the commander? Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I'm like, how do you guys know about that? They're like, dude, the whole battalion, most of the regiment knows about what you said, right? Great. So I ended up, I go into the office. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You hit reply all. Don't hit reply all. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: That's basically what I did. I was like this is going to be a good time. So I go over there and I'm talking to Colonel Ootlout was his name. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I think he just switched out of command there. I don't know where he's at now. He's another good guy. And He was doing so much computer and he's hey, give me like, 5 minutes. The major wants to be in here for this now as a NCO. I was like, I'm going to get a lot of major wants to hear this. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So now [00:18:00] it's going to go downhill. It did it. I go in there. They close the door. I sit down. I talked to him for about an hour and a half voice. My concerns not only with coven, but just, how the militaries. Turning bloke and all that other stuff that we know about and I thought it was going to be a shut up. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: You're wrong. Do what you're told conversation ended up being probably 1 of the best leadership development moments in my career. And when I was leaving I told him, actually 1 important thing by, battalion commander, Colonel Lou Loudgood, told me, he said, hey, I do agree with the vaccine mandate. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I told him, I was like sir, I actually respect you for even admitting that to me, because every other officer in your battalion right now has told me they don't agree with it, but they're still going to enforce it. So I guess he had the officers of the battalion got talked to after that. But when I was leaving gave my salute, ranged the way, sir, shook their hands. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And my battalion commander said, this is the best What's it called? Not sensing session. Climate command climate survey I've ever had. He's this is the best one I've ever heard. I was like I appreciate it. You have to hear, you have to hear from the the mid level guys, the guys, for lack of better terms, boots on the ground. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So guys that are actually doing, I [00:19:00] don't say doing the work. Everyone's doing a job, but the guys that are in the trenches, you want to call it that. But it was a good conversation. I don't have any bad blood with, yeah. With my command team, necessarily, I do I did lose a lot of respect for them and some of my very close friends, because, like I was saying earlier, we all went to war quite a few times. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Everyone's been on target. Everyone's, most guys have been shot. I personally have not. I'm good at finding cover, but guys have been shot, blown up, killed people, lost friends, all kinds of stuff. And I told him, I was like, it's scary to me that we are, we're scared to say no to this, but we're okay with doing that. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So it was an eyeopening experience. So for sure. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What I think is amazing is those men are just like you said, they're not too afraid to go put their life in, in, in the line of jeopardy where they could die. They could be maimed. They could never see their family again, but yet just saying no defend the constitution and the declaration of independence, which they. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Raised their right hand, all of them, swore to [00:20:00] defend. That's too difficult. Putting their life on the line, they can do that. But saying no, and potentially giving up their career, which is not deadly and there's always a safety net that God always provides for those that love Him. And, tell us you have been caught by that safety net, if I'm not mistaken? Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yes, sir. Where are you working now? Yep. Right now I'm working for a so I live up in Pennsylvania. Fell on hard times as we're getting out right before I got out. They issued my orders about a month early because I I was saying they didn't know what to do with me. And then 1 day, as 1 called me and said, hey, you got 5 days to be out of the army. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was actually, I had to go to a job interview, so I had five business days and it knocked it down to about three, but so the army didn't pay me my final paycheck or the 57 or 58 leave days. And then I have to pay back a re enlistment contract from 2018. Basically, the army tried to financially screw me over. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Eventually I'm gonna, I'm gonna, that's gonna be a [00:21:00] court case. But so I live up in Pennsylvania and we had to move in with my in laws. So I'm technically a homeless, unemployed, disabled veteran. But no I worked for a company called direct action resource center that we're we're out of Little Rock, Arkansas, and I was actually applying to be a game warden up in Indiana, which I honestly had no interest in, but I was like, whatever, I got nothing else. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Let's see what happens. Myself and one of my best friends, we were a sniper team together, grew up together in regiment. He was the one that talked me into it. Me and him both made it to the final interview and we were turned down after the, excuse me, after the final interview, because we didn't have enough outdoor experience. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I'm glad it happened. 1 day, I'm driving home from Fort Benning and I call direct action resource center. Scott Darcy. So I call the owner of Darcy's name is Rich Mason. And, I talked to him in 2018 trying to go to a Darcy course while I was in 175 didn't make it down there, but so I knew who he was. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I somewhat knew about Darcy and I told him, I said, Hey I know you can't hire me, but I would is there anyone in the industry that can't hire me? Cause at this point I was like, you know what? I'll just open up a marketing ship. [00:22:00] One man marksmanship show, but I need to go work for somebody to learn how it works first and get, acquire some capital. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So I talked, ended up that ended up being a 3 hour conversation with him and he's the out of all these other guys that I had talked to in that industry. He's the only 1 that actually extended an opportunity. He said, what are you doing on these dates? This is back in September. I was on the phone with him, in August. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He said, do you want to come out here to a job interview? And I was like, absolutely. I told him, do you want me to shadow as an instructor? And he laughed and said, no, you're going to be a, you're going to be a student surrounded by a bunch of civilians who haven't slept in 4 day. I'm gonna see how you work as a leader. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was like, that sounds like a blast. So I went there. It's a course called tusk. And I guess they like what they saw, but rich Mason I owe him and his wife, Caitlin as well. I owe them a lot because it's a job. It's 100 percent a job. They are my employer, but I also look at them as like a, like mentors, like a cool and uncle that, we're always there to help you out. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So they, they extended this opportunity and we're here a year later. [00:23:00] I'm going down there next week. I teach a redeveloped designated marksman course for him. I help teach tusk. We're moving down there. So I can be a full time employee sometime in the fall. So that I can so once I'm working there, we'll be, I'll be assisting with the explosive breaching stuff that we do in the counterterrorism and we got sniper programs and all that kind of stuff. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: But Darcy is definitely, yeah. I'm actually wearing the hat, but Darcy is definitely I'm not like I was saying, I've somewhat become a little bit more religious. And I say, that's also because of my parents who have also become religious. And because of rich and Caitlin they're religious, but they don't push it. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And rich actually uses the Bible history book, which I found very interesting. I had never really looked into it and I don't know what it was, but I made that 1 phone call and it wasn't because of me that I got that job, but somebody was looking out for myself, my family and. My wife and I got a 6 month old daughter, which was also a great part of getting kicked out of the army. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I was like, hey, my wife's pregnant. And you're like, good luck, man. Figured out. But [00:24:00] yeah, Darcy's a it's a training industry. It's a business, but if you talk to anybody who's ever been to a course, they'll ran about the best thing on earth. So I owe them a lot and I plan on giving them the best instructor capabilities that I possibly can. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Until I'm burnt out or they get tired of me and also on top of that like I was saying, somebody was looking out for me. My buddy that we were going to go be game wardens together. He got out of regiment. He was in Indiana or Indiana National Guard and he got out of that and was like, okay, I'm going to move down to Arkansas to work at the SIG ammo plant 1 time when I'm down there. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: We're like, hey, send me your address. Send me where you're at. He's 20 minutes from the compound. So we're going to try to get a house in the same neighborhood as this guy. So somebody was looking out. I got 1 of my best friends that I've deployed with multiple times and. Known since I was 18 down there and I got a great job. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So things are looking out for a while there. It was definitely a meat Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: grinder though.[00:25:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's amazing how God works all things for good for those who love him. And I'm glad you're seeing that come into fruition now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One of the things that I should have mentioned earlier I was talking about, I grew up in a I don't want to say a military household. We moved around a lot, but when people hear military household, they think like dads and they're doing a white glove inspection. My, my dad was not like that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But so my granddad was a Mac V saw guy in Vietnam, old school, bad ass 87 still jumping around. Yeah, he's a bad ass. So then my dad My dad was a Green Beret and that he was a government contractor right around the same time. I refused the vaccine. So did he and I was talking to him on the phone. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was like, Hey, I'm I'm gonna this is the hill I die on. He's oh, that's cool, man. I'm probably going to get fired. I was like, what the what did you do? He's I refused it. And I'm not taking anymore. Ironically, they've asked the United States government has asked him to come back. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was unofficially asked if I wanted to come back in. Both of us have said the same decision. The way that you treated people and are still treating [00:26:00] people and the way that you. People folded like paper. I'll, I will probably never go back into the military. I don't knock, I don't knock the guys that are in. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I do not the guys that said, and there's plenty of them that said, I'm not gonna get it. I'm not gonna get it. They can't make me. And they all folded like paper. So I did lose respect for those guys. But what I'm saying is let's say it's a bloodline thing to be noncompliant on some issues. My mom didn't get it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: My brother didn't get it. My wife didn't. My daughter's not going to ever. She's only six months, but she's not going to get it. I didn't get it. I'm fortunate to be part of a family and married into a family of strong, good Americans, for sure. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's amazing. It's great that your dad, independent of you, y'all both said, I'm not doing this. This is not right. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yep. Yeah, it was weird because I didn't know he was doing it. And I don't think that he knew that I was doing it. It was it's strange that it all came to that came to a head. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Like you're saying God works everything out. I'd hung [00:27:00] out with my dad on two of my six deployments, which I thought was strange to see him overseas. And then, and now we're both in the same boat. He's 64, he's retired, enjoying life, he's yes, he was all, he was actually really worried about it We're running out of time here, but he was actually worried about it financially. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He's man, I went from making quite a bit of money as a government contractor for the last 18 years. I guess he retired. No, 3 got fired in 21 or something like that. For roughly 18 years, he was making pretty good money. He's retired lieutenant colonel. Now he's living off retirement. Then about a month later. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: He was like, man, this is the greatest thing ever. Nobody's calling me. Nobody emails me. He's this is awesome. It's I should have done this a long time ago, but he's a good American. So is my mom. My mom, somehow they've been married for 35 some years. And she, a lot of times military marriages don't last and somehow they've stuck it out. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And they've she's a rock star. She's actually the rock of the family. Yeah. She's the shadow governor, I'd say. She's the one that keeps it all together. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, my great aunt would always say that, yeah, the man may [00:28:00] be the head of the household, but the woman is the neck, and she directs the head where to go. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, my mom always used to tell us, she's your dad may be a colonel, but I'm the general when we were kids. But yeah, as we're talking about family my wife was she was pretty indifferent on it. She she's a rock star. She's awesome. Love her to death gave me a beautiful daughter, but, she was indifferent on it, but the reason that I think she's so great, one of the many reasons is she did not grow up in a military family. I met her when I was in Savannah, Georgia. She was going to school in Beaufort, South Carolina. And, fast forward, we're married, blah, blah, blah. She moved with me, has, she's from a small town in Pennsylvania. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I told her, I was like, Hey I'm probably gonna get kicked out for this. She said, okay, I'll follow you wherever you go. And now we're moving to Arkansas, randomly. And she's okay, let's do it. So she's. She's been my rock. She's awesome. We got a beautiful daughter now and things are looking up for sure for us. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Hopefully, hopefully good things keep happening. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, no, it [00:29:00] sounds like things are working very well for you. And again, God works all things for the good for the, of those who love him. And, keep getting closer to God, keep with that struggle. The name of Israel means to wrestle with God. And sometimes you can, you have the choice to either walk away from God or to sit there and wrestle. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just as Jacob did where he wrestled with the angel of the Lord and had his hip broken from it. And that was actually a blessing for him because he... from all of his problems. And now with a broken hip, he couldn't run from his problems. So that was a blessing for him. And it, the people of Israel are still around today and they and all those that love God and follow the Bible and Jesus they wrestle with God every day. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, absolutely. And my wife and I actually discussed it. I'm not baptized, neither is she a couple of weeks ago, she randomly brought it up. She said, Hey, should we, my, my daughter's name is Rosie or Rosalie, but I call her Rosie or Rosebud. She said, Hey, should we get Rosie baptized? I said, yep. I was like, but she's, I told her, I was like, I'm.[00:30:00] Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Hilarious that you brought this up because I wanted to bring it up at some point also. She just beat me to it. Once we moved to Arkansas as long as everything works out with that, with moving down, I'm like, we're going to start going to church. We're going to baptize Rosie of that, maybe, probably, but I was like, we're gonna, I'm going to go, I want to shift my lifestyle. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I don't, I'm not a, we're not drinkers or partiers or anything like that, but I'm like, you know what, we got put through the ringer and it came out on the other end. Because of somebody was looking out for us, God was looking out for us and everything's falling into place. I'm like, all right I'm going to raise my daughter better than what I would have, 2 years ago, 3 years ago, if I had been a dad then. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: So that's my main concerns. But as long as my daughter's happy, taking care of and, I can pass on to her to be a strong, good American. I'm like, I've done my job. Then Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this was so amazing out of this whole COVID disaster. [00:31:00] That's, through after the two weeks to flatten the country and the pandemic and everything, the good things that have come out of it are these individual wins where now you're closer to God. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Your wife is closer to God. You're going to raise your child closer to God. And these are the things that we need to focus on. Absolutely. I once heard someone say that. If you're standing in the sun, and you have your hand sticking out, and you can see the shadow underneath your hand, the dark spot close to the white spot, it's the contrast right there is so definitive. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You've got dark shadow and bright white. But that's where God is. He's in that bright light. And so the darkness is right there. It's right next to it. But also, if you just look at the right thing, and change your perspective of how things work and run to God, because He's always there with open arms. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You can have the best things in life. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah, it's definitely like you were saying it's wild how it worked out. And I, yes, I made a hard decision. And that's something not, I don't wanna ever wanna pat myself in the back, but that's something I'm proud of the stand that I [00:32:00] took and the hill that I died on, for lack of better terms. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: And I'm proud of my wife for going through with it. At any point she could have said nope, I'm done, I'm not doing this, I'm not, I don't know what's gonna happen. At the end of this tunnel, she stuck with me through it, but at the end of the day, I'm like, Somebody, somewhere, made something happen. And I'm like, it was God. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: It was, a I had an angel looking out for myself and my family, and I get, I got a healthy daughter now, so I'm like I can't ask for anything else. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Mike, we're running up on a hard time here. Sorry, this episode is a little shorter. We had some technical difficulties before we got started. But I want to thank you and, you'll be in my prayers and I hope the audience will be able to pray for you that you continue to follow God's will. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: I appreciate it. Thanks. I told John Franklin when I reached out to him I said, do you I said, Hey, I don't care about the publicity of it. I was like, but anyway, to get the [00:33:00] message out and I appreciate you accept, letting myself and John Franklin do this as well and having a platform that goes against the grain that Americans can listen to. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Hear firsthand accounts of like of what actually happened. It's not all the sudden the military is not all sun shines and rainbows. I always tell people military is not a Toby Keith song. It is a corrupt machine and it spits people out and that's what it that's what it did to myself. John, you had your. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Your whole fiasco with it too I'm just glad that there's Americans that are still willing to go against the grain, and listen, and act on it, in a peaceful manner. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what being, that's what being American is going against the grain. We've been doing that since 1776, going against the grain. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yeah. I'm a firm believer in it, too. I always tell people, I'm like, don't comply. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sir, thank you so much for your stand. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Just don't comply. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Thank you so much for your stand, and I'm proud to be standing shoulder [00:34:00] to shoulder with you and all the, Other 8, 500 plus service members that were discharged for not getting the shot. Former Army Ranger Mike Glover: Yes, sir. I appreciate it to you also, I guess saying I couldn't be happier. I appreciate. You give me the opportunity to tell the story tell my small story because there's a lot more guys that have guys and gals that have happened to myself and john are one of 8, 500. So I appreciate it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Thank you. God bless. God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there. Duty uniform of the day. The full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:35:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: These are the best steaks I've ever had. They're from River Bend Ranch. Find out how you can purchase these steaks and cook them at home. With the rising prices of meat, this is one of the best places to go. 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Dr. John Littell: You need to find some diagnoses. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: These are the best steaks I've ever had. They're from Riverbend Ranch. Find out how you can purchase these steaks and cook them at home. With the rising prices of meat, this is one of the best places to go. They're better than grass fed to grass finished. They have no growth hormones, no antibiotics, and no mRNA vaccines. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Join me on October 10th at 8 Central PM. Click the link below or go to joinmyproject. com That's joinmyproject. com [00:01:00] J O I N M Y P R O J E C T dot com joinmyproject. com Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigaloff. On this podcast, you will be encouraged to question everything Nurse Kelly: and to have the courage to stand for the truth. Nurse Kelly: And now to your host, Dr. Sigaloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for joining me again. I want to thank all my Patreon supporters. I, we have a twenty dollars and twenty cents a month anonymous family donor. We have the Dr. Sam Sigoloff: At 17. 76 with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, and Frank Brian, Shell, and Megan. We have a 10 level [00:02:00] with Kevin and Patton Bev. We have the Refine Not Burn level at 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken, Rick, and Mary. Addison Mulder has started his own 3 level. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we have Frank giving 1. 50 a month. And then we have The Courageous Contagious at 1 a month with Amanda, Jace, BestNasty, Darrell, Susan, BB King, and Caleb. Thank you so much for all the support you've given me. It truly is helpful. Now that I'm out of the Army and I'm in between jobs, this is very helpful and I truly appreciate it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Today I have a very special guest. I have Dr. Littell. He is a family medicine physician in Florida. And the American Academy of Family Physicians came after him and said we're going to take your board certification away and he has good news to give us today. Dr. Littell, how are you doing? Dr. John Littell: Great. Dr. Sam, good to talk to you. Dr. John Littell: I'm doing well. I just finished a very chaotic morning in the office and so I'm glad it's a Friday. [00:03:00] So that's good. And I'm feeling strong. We've got good news. As you, you mentioned, I think a lot of folks might've seen Epic Times came out with a nice piece and then it went all over from there, but about how the American Board of Family Medicine, which is the entity that allows us to practice in our specialty fields. Dr. John Littell: In our case, in my case, family medicine had Come to the conclusion that my misbehavior as someone who was opposed to the universal vaccination against covert injections and other issues that my misbehavior would cause me to be decertified for a three month period, and then I guess they decided that was sufficient punishment and they said, okay, you can be a family doctor once again. Dr. John Littell: With all the privileges thereof. So that's where I sit right now until probably until the next time I open my mouth, I got the summit in November, and then they'll say, Hey, didn't you learn your lesson the first time anyway? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and it'll probably come after both of us once this episode comes out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm surprised they haven't come after me yet. I've had Texas come after me. They've dropped the [00:04:00] investigation. Thank the good Lord. I'm waiting for an Arizona license at this point. By the time this airs, I should have an Arizona license. So can you get into the details of what exactly they said that you said was inappropriate? Dr. John Littell: Yeah, it's a 10 page letter of and I, and they did actually three different investigations. I've got all totaled about 25 pages. But they tend to rehash the same things. They, first of all, they did not like that I ever referred to the Pfizer, Moderna, J& J vaccines as products of genetic engineering. Dr. John Littell: Now, it's interesting because they don't, I don't know what, why they have a beef about that. Why do they care that I'm saying their products are genetic engineering? Is that, we had to do a lot of things. We have, our insulins are a product of genetic engineering. Recombinant DNA. Dr. John Littell: Most of our biologic agents are because of what we've done with biological genetic engineering, the treatments for rheumatoid arthritis, the treatments now for diabetes, a lot of these medications. [00:05:00] But I brought it up mostly from the perspective that as products of genetic engineering manipulating. Dr. John Littell: The mRNA initially, of course, that's what these are made out of messenger RNA strands that are being injected into the us and then get incorporated into our nuclei. And then we have the production of the spike proteins eventually. The ribosomes in the cells. But I was pointing out from the perspective of that, that this should not be allowed to take place without incredible amount of research into the safety long-term effects of these injections. Dr. John Littell: So they, they would say, no, these are not products of genetic engineering, and therefore I'm a missing former. Number two, I mentioned that they would do harm for children. And they did not like that I said that and they said I'm a misinformer. They say they're perfectly safe and Children, despite all the facts out there, despite the fact that you're most European, if not all European nations have said, do not using Children except, America stands alone at putting our Children's health and [00:06:00] being. Dr. John Littell: In the backseat and to achieve a secondary agenda of universal forward vaccination. And the 3rd thing that they really talked them off was and they said, this is where I was the most unprofessional. So you have being a misinformer and they have being unprofessional. So I'm unprofessional because I had the audacity to compare. Dr. John Littell: The American medical system as it now stands to to Nazi Germany to the end. And I use the reference, that the idea that positions in Nazi Germany were forced to march lock step with the policies. We indeed have been told to do the same. And, and it's really, you're laughing and it's humorous that they would say, no, we are not Nazi Germany. Dr. John Littell: We are not like Nazi Germany. You are now punished for not being honest with us. It's exactly what it is. It really proved my point. It's precisely. It's exactly what it is. You don't have the opportunity in medicine to differ with the narrative. Anymore, like the good old days where we could actually have a conversation about, at Journal Club and discuss the pros and cons [00:07:00] of a new drug or vaccine or whatever. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it's pretty rough. It's precisely what it is. And the military, because I've just got out of the military recently, is even worse because we're actually wearing a uniform that and they're using their military authority to silence doctors. It's. It's insane how dark this country has gotten. Dr. John Littell: Yeah I, interesting timing of this call because I just had this conversation with a patient this morning about the military this guy was former army as well. Then went to go work for the National Security Administration in cyber security and had to leave his job because of the vaccine mandates. Dr. John Littell: You're familiar with that scenario. And he's got a wife and little kids, but. I told him, he was giving me all this, these attaboys and all this recognition for the work that I've done. I said, I'm not always proud of how I was because clearly I had, I'm on a journey. I was an army doctor as well. Dr. John Littell: I was director of soldier care [00:08:00] at Fort Gordon during Desert Storm. And I oversaw a lot of the vaccination programs. We, And you know how this was we wouldn't even think to question the protocols as physicians. I knew I was a pro life doctor and thank God in that military back in the nineties, we weren't allowing for abortions, and then things have changed since then. Dr. John Littell: But there were still some things I was doing as a doctor that I'm not proud of today. And certainly lining up the troops and doing the shots in the arms, multiple times, not even. And even knowing that they've been recently that they've previously been vaxxed against a particular illness, we'd say, I forget that we're going to be the same vaccines all over again, a whole new battery of vaccine. Dr. John Littell: So no questioning on my part at that time of my career very early, obviously, right out of residency, but. But that's what we're dealing with in medicine across the spectrum right now is people not questioning the protocols. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I wouldn't feel bad about that because I was the same way too. I've personally said if you can't find the record, I'll just take another [00:09:00] shot because I'll never find the record. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is when I was in med school. Nowadays, I'll be like and you'll never get a needle near me again, good luck trying. That's how I am these days. Dr. John Littell: That's right. Yeah. This is all what's happening now. This is why we've got to change that. And I see hope, with the medical students that are, I'm still able to teach thankfully because my board certification was reinstated. Dr. John Littell: So you know, had they decided to permanently decertify me, I would have not been able to be on the faculty of medical schools and I've been teaching medical students for years. Since I got out, while I was in the army, we were teaching medical students. I was a faculty member at the residency program at Fort Gordon, Georgia in Augusta. Dr. John Littell: So I love teaching. I was a teacher before I became a doctor and to not be able to impart whatever I've learned to future positions would have been for me, really troubling. And I think particularly in the light of what's happening in the world, very troubling for our profession, because these [00:10:00] young students really like seeing a doctor. Dr. John Littell: He's not owned by the hospital is not owned by a greater entity and doesn't have the freedom to say what he or she wants to say about a particular, situation in medicine. Yeah, the medical students that I'm seeing, they're open to being critical thinkers at just that the odds are stacked against them because I'm just one doctor in the majority. Dr. John Littell: Doctors in today's world seem to have cowered or they're just too lazy to even try to think outside of the protocols. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that was a question I've been wanting to ask you is, why can't we just throw off the shackles of the American Board of Family Physicians? And I guess you, you personally answered that already. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you want to continue to stay on faculty staff, which I think that's very commendable to be able to. To be maybe the only other voice that these young doctors, student doctors ever see. I enjoy teaching student doctors and residents. But if I lose my board certification, I don't know, if I never have to pay them again, that, that's actually a benefit in [00:11:00] my book because they stand up for things that, like the American Academy of Family Physicians, they stand up for a lot of things that I don't agree with. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: their stance on guns, their stance on abortion, their stance on gender. And the list goes on and on. Dr. John Littell: I, you're mentioning two entities there and I just, I disenrolled from the American Academy of Family Physicians some time ago. I was, involved at a very high level for quite some time. Dr. John Littell: I actually, my couple of doctors and I used to write for the Journal of Family Medicine, the American Family Physician for years. We had a a feature there every month called Diary from a Week in Family Medicine, and it was a tremendous honor to be able to write that along with Dr. Walt Larimore, Dr. Dr. John Littell: John Hartman. And these were big names. These were the best known doctors in the field of family medicine back in the 80s and and 90s. And I was fortunate to join their practice and I was really involved with the American Academy of Family Physicians, which is like the certifying body. Dr. John Littell: Our academy, that's our, who we get together with for our continued [00:12:00] education, et cetera, et cetera. The American board is a separate entity that just is in charge of making sure that we keep up on our CME continued education and that recognizes us as being specialists. So it's two different entities and you're right. Dr. John Littell: They're both incredibly woke, incredibly off the rails. But and there are plenty of people out there who are no longer board certified because they don't want to give their money to the American board of family medicine, which is a very unscrupulous and a very wealthy organization. I might add. They have all these specialty board organizations have millions and millions of dollars there. Dr. John Littell: They've got us over a barrel. Because not only do I not teach medical students, they also are in cahoots with the hospitals who insist that you be board certified. And even though there's other specialty boards out there that have come up in recent years, I can think of, 90 percent of the hospitals don't recognize them as legit. Dr. John Littell: They're gonna stay with the ones that have been around really since the 70s. All of these entities arose in the 70s. Before the [00:13:00] 70s, you had general practitioners, and you had general surgeons. And then you had, maybe a few other specialties, but since the 60s, we've seen this explosion of the specialty boards and they've gone out of control. Dr. John Littell: They're tyrannical. They're wealthy, as I said, and they're, and they. are telling us who we can take care of and how we can take care of them. They've come between us and our patients. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I believe one of the boards that you alluded to just now that's not WOKE, that's not the American Academy of Family Physicians or, I'm sorry, National American Board of Family Physicians, is the National Board of Physicians and Surgeons. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I also have a board certification through there, but they're not recognized, as you said, and so the problem is, you try to go to these other boards, but like when I was in the army, if I only had The board certification through National Board of Physicians and Surgeons, they wouldn't pay me my specialty pay. Dr. John Littell: Absolutely, you're not recognized. And you're right, [00:14:00] the alternative to the AMA, which has also gone off the rails with Obamacare and since then, not hardly anyone belongs to the American Medical Association anymore, is the American Academy of Physicians and Surgeons, AAPS. Which is just an amazingly wonderful group of doctors and that's actually older than the American Medical Association. Dr. John Littell: But again, people don't, and they do their own projects, but they don't, they're not a board specialized. They're not just going to give you your board certification. So we do, we are in a world of hurting medicine, trying to figure out how to get all this figured out when you have the hospitals, the insurance companies. Dr. John Littell: And the medical schools, right? Those are big, three big things, not to mention the federal government, probably, but they're all working together to silence physicians who dare to speak contrary to the narrative. And so that said, the majority, I think of the public has woken up to this, they're figuring this out and they're. Dr. John Littell: looking for doctors who think independently. And that's [00:15:00] where I get really concerned because some of the doctors who are independent thinkers, let's say there's some that you can trust and some you can't as well. You really have to be careful to make sure you have a doctor who's at the end of the day, competent. Dr. John Littell: If you don't have a competent doctor, if you have a lay, there's lazy doctors out there that are going to some fields, let's say for a one alcohol functional medicine, there's some amazing people in this world of functional medicine. I get it personally. I don't think the term should ever have come up. Dr. John Littell: I think what they're basically doing is taking Hippocratic traditional medicine, the way it was taught and supposedly doing the right job, they say that they're going below the surface more than regular doctors. I would argue, no, we were supposed to go below the surface. We're supposed to look at the psychosocial aspects of disease. Dr. John Littell: The role of the family and disease the role of the mental health challenges in any disease, right? Which is huge right now, right? It's most of what I deal with our mental health challenges, the spiritual wellbeing of the patient. This is going beneath the [00:16:00] surface. This is traditional medicine. Dr. John Littell: This is what I grew up with my doctor who was my mentor as a child and then so it's not the concept of functional medicine seems amazing. I think it's just regular good old fashioned medicine. First do no harm. But what happens is a lot of these folks are doing the same thing that traditional medicine is guilty of. Dr. John Littell: Now they're over testing. They have batteries of tests. They give people all kinds of diagnoses and tell them they need to get all kinds of supplements that they sell from the right net, pull it off the shelf and give it to the patient for a hundred bucks. So they're basically perpetuate the same problems that what my beloved medical profession is, has done is really making, creating sickness, profiting off of sickness and ultimately at the end of the day, the best doctors are the ones, as I see it, who can keep people out of their office and allow people not to spend a lot of money on. Dr. John Littell: Be well, because it shouldn't cost a lot of money to be well. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I [00:17:00] agree, and I, I agree with you that as a good doctor, I should see my patients less and less until I see them none at all. The unfortunate part is it's hard to to keep in business, but with the way that the medical community is going, there's plenty of new patients that need to be seen to get on this level of new health to where they can actually control their own health and do the proper things, eat the proper diet have the proper lifestyle, change their habits and their family structure to where it's more healthy for them and for their family. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That was When I became a, got into do DR of osteopathy medical school, I didn't really know the difference, but it, their philosophy is also what you just pointed out, which is what any good doctor should be getting to the root cause. Getting to that under level underlying surface level to, to give healing, not just, and to find health, not just treat the diseased organ. Dr. John Littell: You, I was way back, believe it or not, I. Dr. John Littell: 1977, I started the holistic [00:18:00] healthcare study group at Cornell University, so I was very much, I got very involved in that field, and when I, by the time I left Cornell and was applying to medical schools, I wanted to be a DO, because I had read about Dr. Still and his approach, body, mind, spirit. Dr. John Littell: Interestingly enough, I got into a DO school, but then I got, by really a crazy set of circumstances, I got accepted to George Washington School of Medicine. And that was what God intended for me to do, to go there. It was extremely expensive compared to the DO school, so I had no alternative but to sign up with the military. Dr. John Littell: You probably same route where they give you the scholarship. Had it not been for my military service, I wouldn't have met my wife and I wouldn't have had a lot of other amazing opportunities for learning. So God works in strange and mysterious ways. But yet the deal mentality, the holistic mentality has stayed with me, obviously, for this entire time. Dr. John Littell: And it's what really changed me. Leads me to be such a critic of medicine. I wrote a book called The Hidden Truth, perception [00:19:00] of Women's Healthcare, and I talk in there about how doctors have become very robotic in their practice of women's healthcare. And I, there's a lot of very just really insightful information in there that people should look at as they raising their own daughters. Dr. John Littell: Are they even men who's taking care of to know about their own wives and what their wives are going through? But, and women throughout the entire spectrum, and then of course COVID hits, and the same thing there, you start to see doctors who are just robotic in their behavior, so I'm, the holistic perspective, let's be very careful when you see doctors who put that shingle up and say, I'm a holistic doctor, because for very many of them, And they'll use other titles, as I said, integrative, functional, alternative. Dr. John Littell: For a great many of them, it's, they're doing a whole lot of testing, and they call that holistic. They're ordering 20 pages of blood work and saliva testing, and all kinds, heavy metal testing, and toxicology screens, and this and that, and I just don't [00:20:00] see that's necessary. I think if you have people in front of you, spend time getting to know where they've been, where what is their life been like, what was it like growing up in their home? Dr. John Littell: And as you find out more about what it was like growing up in their homes. And you see how many people are suffering because they've never had a father in their life, or their mother was an alcoholic, or they were abused as a child, in whichever way you can imagine or they were married to an abusive husband or, you go on and on. Dr. John Littell: And it's almost, it seems some days like it's everybody that I see, but, and then I have to sit down and explain to people that what you're really suffering from is the cumulative toll of all this emotional, physical, psychological Abuse and that you've kept it together until just, this whatever period of time their symptoms have erupted and a great deal of them. Dr. John Littell: A lot of them are being told they have long haul coded or they're being put on detox formulas and they're not really dealing with that. They're dealing with post traumatic stress disorder. So to me, that's going beneath the [00:21:00] surface. And it's a very it takes a, you don't have any five minute visits with those kind of people. Dr. John Littell: individuals and that's a lot of people. So we just take our time and we pray for more doctors to be able to take their time with patients because that seems to be a very precious commodity medicine. These days is time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. It seems like what has really pushed the doctor so hard is having to hit the metrics for insurance companies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To be able to keep the doors open, understandably, but they get in, they don't listen to the patient. They tell the patient what's wrong with them, which that's not how this works. The patient has to tell me what's wrong with them and they'll tell me if I listen long enough and ask the right questions and then allow them to come up with the answer. Dr. John Littell: You're so right, Sam. That was the scene. One of the benefits in the military when I was in the military, the doctor was you didn't have this insurance company being so intrusive into the relationship. You had other factors, of course, but the insurance companies were not at that time and you were not a factor. Dr. John Littell: But and I'll be talking about this, in many [00:22:00] different ways at the summit on COVID in November here in Ocala. But, I modern medicine now it's called value based health care. And they want more bang for their buck. So really, the goal in medicine, as the insurance companies lay it out there, is to have the sickest patients on paper that you can possibly get. Dr. John Littell: So they get upset with me, and they'll say, Doctor, let's tell you, your patients can't really be that healthy. You need to find some diagnoses for them. And why this is important to them. And ultimately to doctors out there is if I can have a patient and give him 12 diagnoses, and at the end of the year, that patient hasn't been admitted to the hospital or the insurance company will give me a pat on the back and say, you've done a great job of keeping Mr. Dr. John Littell: Smith out of the hospital, despite his 12 diagnoses, you create things, you create all these terms for them, and I won't get into all the detail about that. And then, as opposed to someone who has no diagnoses, they're just living wonderfully well and they're saying how the hospital insurance company says [00:23:00] you didn't do any work for him. Dr. John Littell: We don't need to pay you as much. What did you do for Mr. Smith? Never mind the fact that I got him to quit smoking. I got him to lose 30 pounds. I got him to get his blood pressure down. As a result, I got him to get his diabetes resolved. So he's no longer diabetic, he no longer has kidney disease, no longer has hypertension, no longer has XYZ. Dr. John Littell: Now he's healthy and now the insurance company says that can't be, now you don't get paid as well because your patients are too healthy and you don't have to do any work. That's a sickness in itself, isn't it? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wait, it's interesting you mention that because one of my clinical investigations they did into me and when they were looking at my charts they said, oh you didn't give this lady blood pressure medications. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, because we changed her diet and she didn't need them anymore. She was no longer hypertensive. Why would I keep giving her more when she doesn't need it? Dr. John Littell: If you leave that diagnosis in there, and every patient I'm taking off diagnosis it seems, but if you leave a diagnosis of hyperlipidemia in the chart, and the high school graduate at the [00:24:00] insurance company says, Oh, the doctor tells patient has hyperlipidemia. Dr. John Littell: And they're not on medicine. And the same thing with hypertension. So the trick is to get rid of those diagnoses. Because some high school graduate clerk is going to tell us we're doing a crappy job of our patients. But again, you get rid of those diagnoses and you're back where I just talked about. Dr. John Littell: You're with healthy patients. It's a vicious circle and people say, Doctor, you should get out of insurance because they're evil. I agree they're evil doing this. I totally agree. I'm not getting out of insurance. I'm playing the game until... Frankly, until Donald Trump gets reelected and healthcare changes in this country, that's what I'm going to tell you right now, because had he gotten his way and if Senator McCain had not done thumbs down, I was actually going to be in the white house with five other doctors from all over the country. Dr. John Littell: I had security clearance. I was going to be one of those docs in there. I had spent, on my own dollar, I had been to D. C. at least 10 times to help craft the alternative to Obamacare that would have been patient care centered, primary care driven, and [00:25:00] it would have been perfect. It was such a good plan, a lot of congressmen had bought off, and senators were ready to sign off on it, except one guy out of Arizona, McCain, who didn't like Donald Trump, as you may recall. Dr. John Littell: So that's really what's gotta happen. We need healthcare reform. That goes back to preserving the patient physician relationship. And that's my passion. Has always been my passion. I'm sure it was yours as well. And we got to get the insurance industry out of the exam room and the federal government and God knows whoever else is in there with us. Dr. John Littell: But listen, I've had people knocking on my door here, trying to get my attention for myself, patients that showed up unexpectedly, even though it's supposed to be only a half day on Friday. So I'm going to have to wrap it up pretty soon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. I want to be respectful of your time. I know. You didn't have much time today and I greatly appreciate you coming on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I pray and I hope my audience will pray that no matter who gets elected next, they still look to that same team and can get you in there to help get the insurance companies out of the exam room. Dr. John Littell: That's a great prayer. Yeah. No [00:26:00] matter who's elected next, we know what party it's gonna probably have to come from, but but I. Dr. John Littell: pretty confident we can get a solution. So as long as I have any fight in me, I'm going to be fighting for my patients and I know you did as well. So thank you for your service and great to know you better today, Sam and God bless you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: God bless you and thank you for your service Dr. Sam Sigoloff: as well. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.

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This is some of the best beef I've ever had in my life. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff. On this podcast, you will be encouraged to question everything, Nurse Kelly: and to have the courage to stand for the truth. Nurse Kelly: And now, to your host, Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for joining me again. I will first want to give a shout out to my Patreon supporters. We have a an anonymous donor family at 20. 20 a month. We have the Plandemic Reprimando at 17. 76 a month. With Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian, Shell. We [00:02:00] have the self made level at 10 with Kevin and Pat and Bev. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The refined not burden with 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken, Rick, and Mary. Addison Mulder has made up his own level at 3. Frank has done that at 150. Courage is Contagious level at 1 a month with Amanda, Jace, Best Nasty, Daryl, Susan, BB King. I want to thank you all very much for supporting me, all the support you've given me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have so far put about 120, 000 in my lawsuit to help defend my good name. Um, and I just hope that everyone's praying that this thing can be, if it needs to be appealed, we can do that. We only have one, um, One of our courses of action left, uh, but I have a very special guest today. He's been in this fight longer than I have. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's, he's a veteran in fighting the government, fighting corruption. Uh, Sam, it's great to have you today.[00:03:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So you recently came out with a news article that was kind of exposing who you are and who you work with and the group that you've been working with. Tell us a bit about that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Okay. So, um, I'm one of the admins for terminal CWO. Get the mug right there. I wish I was rocking my own mug, but. Unfortunately, the handle on mine is broken, but, uh, yeah, so one of the admins for terminal CWO and, um, a bright bar article just came out on August 1st. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: That was the day of my retirement, basically broke down what had taken place behind the scenes for an investigation into myself. So I was the only one out of my crew that was investigated. The, uh, the folks who thought that they were, they were going after my crew didn't go after anybody. except myself because they're idiots, but they, what I found out when the 15 six was given to [00:04:00] me. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And this is what went into the article that was written by Christina Wong at Breitbart was that, uh, an illegal investigation took place behind the scenes. So for those who don't know, you have to have, you know, you have to have certain, uh, authorizations conduct an investigation on, on persons on us citizens. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And, uh, That's got to be done through the chain of command, and it's got to be basically blessed off on by the commanding general. And that was not done. A three star general at TRADOC and then a bunch of other folks were involved in a behind the scenes investigation into doxxing myself. And in fact, some other folks who had nothing to do with Terminal CWO, such as my homeowner, which was... Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It was funny until I found out about it and I realized that the guy who owned my home who I'd been renting from for several years was was investigated as well, which just that's that's garbage. But anyways, um, yeah, so that they were conducting an investigation behind the scenes into myself, [00:05:00] uh, in retaliation for, uh, work that we had done to expose various levels of corruption and, uh, Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I think nefarious is too strong of a word, but, um, improper conduct that was going on with official resources. And yeah, so that came out and, and here I am, my name is Sam, um, like you, it's a great name. And, uh, here we are. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We've been requested of God for the, this position that we're in now, um, to expose the corruption. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Amen. Amen. So. I didn't really have an agenda for this and I'll be, I'll be honest with you, I'm going to need you to lead on this because this is my first cup of coffee of the day and I just happened to find these K cups laying around. So I am, I'm getting caffeinated as we speak. And it is blissful, but, uh, [00:06:00] I was hurting for a minute. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And at the time of recording, this is, uh, three in the afternoon, just, uh, for me, at least, um, but yeah, so, um, so you've been involved in a lot of helping expose a lot of problems. It seems like that should have granted you some whistleblower protection. Um, just because you're blowing whistles on all sorts of bad things going on, but it doesn't seem that that worked out that way for you or to whistleblower protection, just not matter anymore. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: They really don't. And, uh, and I, uh, I do technically have whistleblower protections that never entered into the investigation. I didn't try to insert it into the investigation because here's the disconnect. Uh, I have whistleblower protection through multiple representatives offices based on, uh, information that I have brought to their attention. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And I suppose if things had gone the route of. turning into a criminal [00:07:00] matter, which they didn't because myself and my team never conducted any criminal activity whatsoever. We didn't expose classified information. We didn't do anything that was illegal whatsoever. We simply information that was publicly accessible in one way or another unclassified information. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And we packaged it together and we blew the whistle on a whole number of folks. And we still are, we are still doing that to this day. Um, but yeah, so with that whistleblower protection. It's really not worth the paper it's written on. And I think it's evident if you look at some of the retaliation that's been done against the folks that came out from the Department of Justice, FBI, IRS, you know, all these federal agencies that had whistleblowers and they were whistleblower protected, but they were still retaliated against and who stepped in to protect them. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Well, a congressman getting up there on CNN or MSNBC or Fox News, wherever they go, and they say this person's protected, they can't do this, outrageous, is not [00:08:00] protection if the person is still being retaliated against. So, my matter stayed at a non criminal level. Like I said, the 15 6 was found inconclusive. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Basically a preponderance of the evidence said that I was likely connected to the account, but they couldn't say conclusively and they couldn't say what exactly I had posted. It was just conduct unbecoming and, uh, uh, insubordination and disrespect to senior, you know, senior officers and stuff like that, um, based on some of the stuff that went out over the years, but that was as far as it went. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And so I didn't worry about getting representatives involved and all that stuff. And in fact, to my bonus with what they did in the illegal activity that they Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: partook in, it was, [00:09:00] how do I put this? There are representatives and there are people working now based on that information and what they did behind the scenes. And that's why I haven't really commented on it too much. I'll let, I'll let that play out on that end. And, uh, whatever happens there, then Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: the, I don't have a lot of hope that anything will happen, but we'll see. You know, there are people that are working on it right now. So, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: okay. So we just had some technical issues, which is strange because, uh, you're past the MI guy and I'm stationed or I live near an MI post and things are working great until a few minutes in, but we'll see if we can stitch all that together. Um, interesting. So let's talk about some current events that are going on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cause I know you're, you're keeping your ear close to the, to the ground on that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah.[00:10:00] Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Okay. So, so what are we seeing? We're seeing, uh, we're seeing our nation is under attack, right? With the, uh, Southern border. I mean, absolutely under attack. They're pouring through by the tens of thousands, uh, weekly, monthly, hundreds of thousands monthly. And, uh, one of the things I just put out was a Frago from the Massachusetts National Guard, where they are activating 250, excuse me, 250 personnel to, um, to basically be social workers and concierge for illegal immigrants families, uh, within the greater commonwealth area of Massachusetts. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And I don't understand the logistics of all that. I don't understand how those families are moved all over the United States. I've seen how everything's happening with the buses and going to New York and Los Angeles and all these different places, but we don't, we obviously, we often don't calculate into the. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: In [00:11:00] the rest of the state, especially Massachusetts, that's usually smaller. It doesn't get as much mentioned, but, um, but yeah, they're activating National Guard right now to go be concierge social workers of some sort for these families that are going to be staying at local hotels. So, we're seeing this start to play out and it's affecting our, our troop readiness. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: We're calling troops down to the border right there and then. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: We're not hearing any, I guess my biggest issue is this. If you look at what's going on, you got to stitch a few things together. So you take Tuberville, for instance, Senator Tuberville, he is, uh, he has his blockade in place, preventing a blanket promotion for all general officers and admirals. And what a lot of people don't understand about that is they could still individually promote these people if they went through and they selected [00:12:00] them. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It's only like 300 people. So it's not that cumbersome of a task, but they want this to play out in the media circus. But, but let me move to my point. My point is Tuberville is stopping this because they're breaking the law. The DoD is actively breaking the law and they have been. Why do you and I, why are we in this position right now? Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: After hours with Dr. Sigaloff is in this position because you pushed back against an unlawful mandate when they tried to poison the entire DOD with this vaccine. And before it was even known that it was poison, it was just unlawful. We knew it was unlawful because it was experimental. And so you and I exist in large part because Or at least our, our outreach because of the activity of the D. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: O. D. And so if you look at what has taken place within the flag officer ranks and they're the ones steering this. Okay. I want everybody to understand this. Your, your average troop, your boots on the ground. These are just folks who raised their right hand and wanted to, you know, wanted to serve [00:13:00] their country. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: They had that patriotic, Uh, calling and duty to serve their country to stand up and do something, even though we're not in a wartime, whatever, but they, but just like generations before them, they said, I want to serve my country, but these flag officers who have been put in place, we, we, we purged with Obama, Obama purged approximately like 190 flag officers. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Now we're here with what we have now, which is a bunch of very Marxist and. The ideology of outright communism to socialism and how that bleeds into the force and what they're doing and the agendas that they're pushing and then you see how that all that ties in with the other federal agencies who are doing the same thing, the Department of Homeland Security and these folks who are supposed to be in charge of, you know, securing and protecting our border and the poorest nature [00:14:00] of all of these immigrants flowing through and we're starting to see not just It's not just these folks who are like downtrodden and they're they're Suffering oppression we're seeing coming in from africa from the middle east from all over central latin america The cartels have have capitalized on this and turned this into a thing where they can push their they can push Humans across through human trafficking and then just vast amounts of drugs. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And this is all being assisted and facilitated by our government. The DoD is the same thing. And, and a lot of people that don't educate themselves think that the DoD is going to save us there. They're the white hats. We're just people, but the DoD is not there to save you. They are the federal agency, just like the rest of them. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And they have been the people that have been put in place, like the secretary of defense and all these branch chiefs, they are, they are there for a reason. [00:15:00] They are there to facilitate and move and, and allow the federal government to collapse into this Marxist, socialist, communist, ideological state. And we're watching our country be taken over as we speak by these individuals. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So when I see this stuff, I feel... An overwhelming need to point it out, even if it seems small, such as the Massachusetts National Guard facilitating, you know, helping these families and hotels. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't help them, but I'm saying the manner in which it's being done in the lack of pushback from our senior officials, lack of pushback from governors. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Uh, very few governors at that and, and we're seeing that play out in New York right now with the mayor and he's saying that we're going to collapse and all this other stuff. If we, if we keep taking in all these people, New York will not survive and he's right. Now they're trying to keep everybody in Texas because they want Texas to collapse because Texas is a, a beacon for freedom right now and they want us [00:16:00] to turn blue and all that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So I know I'm on a soapbox and a rant right now, but just. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just recently in Texas, the Attorney General has been impeached. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah, Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: it will. I don't know much about that situation, to be honest with you. I've, I've seen the charges go against him, but now what I'm seeing is I'm seeing a lot of really weird evidence come out in the, the proceedings that are taking place right now, as far as accusations that these people who were whistleblowers and turned over evidence to the FBI didn't turn over any kind of evidence, and then they deleted their emails and their texts for follow on. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: For follow on review, which is really weird. I don't know why you would turn over supposedly this incriminating evidence and then delete it after the fact. [00:17:00] And, and they're crying on the stand, and they're, they're blustering, and this and that, and I, I, it's weird, I don't understand what's going on with that, but you're right, um, but they are, you know, I, I talked to some friends of mine, and they're actively trying to take over Travis County, which is in the Austin area, trying to take over the Attorney General, they're trying to, uh, take over the Sheriff's Office, and they are trying to shore up these very powerful positions under very progressive individuals to allow for the facilitation of these people to come into our country and We're being taken over. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: This isn't uh, what's the term xenophobia? This isn't xenophobia. This isn't like I hate people from a different country. It's retarded to even say anything like that and to assume that I would. That's the issue here. What the issue is, is we are we are collapsing the state from the outside in. We're purging out, Just call them patriots, if you will. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It's a generic term, [00:18:00] but we are, we are purging folks from within the institutions, you know, within the FBI, the DOD, the DHS. We are pushing out folks who are constitutionally minded, and we are allowing this to open up for folks who are not constitutionally minded, such as immigrants. In fact, Chicago was one of the first areas that said illegal aliens can now be officers. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: They can be police officers in Chicago. That's crazy to me. So, you can be a police officer, an alien, a non citizen of the United States, and arrest a citizen of the United States for a federal crime, even though you are literally living a federal crime yourself. And that, to me, is just mind boggling. But that's what we're doing. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And it's little pieces here and there. It's not a mass thing. It is just chipping away at the block. And this, this is allowing, this is being allowed to be done because they use things [00:19:00] like what they did to us to try to silence us. To try to bring investigations against us to try to, uh, basically stop gap, any dissent, anybody who would speak out against this and cut us off and force us out of the system so that we can not, we can not expose that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Well, it's a whole lot of that's what's going on here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you look at it from this direction, so, um, if you wanted to take over a country without firing a shot, what if you sent a million people over into their country and they gave up? And now they're sitting around, and you gotta feed them, and you have to house them, and you have to clothe them, and you have to give them bathrooms. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because that's the humane thing to do. And then the next day, there's another million people that cross over, and they give up. And then another million people the next day, and you just keep doing that pretty soon. You've got an entire population sitting inside of your borders, collapsing the country because you don't have the resources to feed and house and enclose these people, Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: right? Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah, absolutely. [00:20:00] And some of the areas where we've seen the most vocal proponents of this kind of stuff taking place, this kind of stuff being. This mass illegal immigration are the places that are hit the worst of themselves, such as San Francisco, look at this place, excuse me, look at San Diego, look at San Francisco, look at all of these, these California, you know, hubs of culture and civilization for decades and decades of Just vast wealth and luxury and everything else and they are just slums right now. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I mean absolute poverty stricken slums of of drug users and filth and decadence and everything else and These are the places that still have a voice because they still have such a large population that is saying Continue to do this at the same time. They're [00:21:00] they're watching in real time. What this is what is happening to their own city and This is what's being done in America. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And yet those who have to actually pay for this stuff and take the brunt of the hit for what is happening, such as the rural communities that whose taxes pay for this stuff, whose agricultural produce goes to feed the nation and everything else, their voice is silenced and they have to bear the responsibility of this illegal immigration. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And a lot of times. A real, a serious physical threat as well from what is actively coming over, especially down in South Texas and a lot of these places. Anyways, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: absolutely. And you recently did an article or at least you. You covered it about the, um, Chinese nationals coming over and getting, quote, lost or finding themselves on U. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: S. posts and taking pictures and gathering [00:22:00] information. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah, that, that wasn't my article. That was a national article that went out. But so, so I followed up on that and that's wild because I was not aware of this problem. So I see this came out. It was like a Fox News article. It was something big. It was, it was a big media article. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So I posted this stuff on Instagram. And the message box started to fill up, especially from Alaska, your hometown, or once upon a time, Anchorage. I've been there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They have a lot of Chinese nationalists coming over for, um, tourism. In fact, there was even a specialist that I worked with that I was, I was concerned. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was like, this guy, I don't know, he's a little bit older and he just seems a little odd and he just makes you wonder if, you know, when he starts, someone starts doing something illegally and it's like, why is this guy who, why did he go to China and then come back while he was active duty? [00:23:00] That just seems like an odd thing to do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: we've seen a couple of, of Chinese nationals get rolled up for espionage stuff. But what I was not aware of was how prevalent this was. And especially in Alaska, they get, they, they are under attack constantly. And just back in June, they had somebody try to run their gate. Um, it was a group of what was, what was described to me by some folks in the provost Marshall there was military aged Chinese male. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So for those who don't know what that means is typically, you 15, 16, like. 23, 24, something like that. It's a military age male, um, military age, male Chinese nationals who tried to run the gate on, I believe, believe don't quote me on this JBR, which is, uh, Elmendorf there. And, uh, yeah, anyways, I found out like this happens all the time.[00:24:00] Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: This is not, this is not a new thing. Like this article came out and they're like, yeah, it's old news, but we didn't know about it. We didn't know that there's constant pervasive attacks happening from China to infiltrate our installations. And you wonder why, but why not? If you were, if you were just constantly tried trying to explore security gaps and you could do it, you could do a lot of things. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: First of all, you could collect on the local area. You could collect on the local military population, but you could also continue to just probe and keep slamming the gate. And you're not really losing anything because you pay some idiot, a few hundred dollars, a few thousand dollars to run the gate. And he goes to jail and gets deported back to China. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: What have you really lost? Nothing, but you gain a lot out of exploring those vulnerabilities and that's what they're doing. [00:25:00] So our, our enemies are taking this stuff seriously. They are absolutely exploring our weaknesses and our vulnerabilities. While we have general officers, flag officers, admirals, generals, all that stuff who are promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Like it is the, like it is the foundation. For lethality in war fighting in the military, mind boggling how not I do believe that a lot of these people are not only out of touch, but I also believe a lot of these folks are in touch and they're doing this very purposefully to be subversive and to destabilize and destroy our industry from within are the corporation of the United States, if you will. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think you're absolutely right. I think any time in medicine, in the army, when we're focusing on transgender training and how to [00:26:00] provide, you know, care for transgender transitions in the military, well, the military is not a, it's not a charity, right? You join the military for a job. And if you're in transition in the military, you're non deployable for maybe a year, maybe three years, depending on how long it takes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then really, technically, you might not be deployable after you transition, because you have to have a continuous, constant stream of medications. Well, in a deployed setting, you might not have access to those. So you might be start res Reverting back to whatever your gender was before, which it's always been. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You've never changed it. You've just changed hardware on the outside. Your, your chromosomes have always been the same and they never will change and nothing will change them. And the sooner that these, these people that are living this psychosis, really, the sooner they understand that and come to terms with, I just feel different. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm, I'm a man if I'm a man, or I'm a woman if I'm a woman, and I can't change that, so I'm gonna try and change other things in my life so that I feel loved and accepted, [00:27:00] rather than trying to change hardware on my body. Because that's what it is. You know, we, we don't facilitate psychosis in people who are in mental institutions. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We don't go, oh, here's your tinfoil hat to keep all, you know, the CIA out. No, we don't do that, because that would be inappropriate. We bring them back down to earth and say, look, that that's not accurate. You know, this is reality. Reality is a little different than what you're experiencing. Let's help you get on the right path. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah. And what you're, what you're talking about just came out recently with the, uh, sorry, man, I forgot your name. Journalist from the dossier, Jordan, Jordan Shacktell, uh, just released that article with the, the memo that came out of Fort Bragg. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Broke that down. Literally, you are non deployable for 300 days. Uh, for 300 days from your last hormone treatment, well, you as a doctor know that you continually take hormone treatments, which means, you [00:28:00] know, by default, you're never going to deploy. So, not only will you never deploy, but they also don't have height and weight standards, they don't have to take physical fitness tests. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So, they don't have to keep, you know, they don't have to do what everybody else in the service does. They don't have to maintain physical fitness standards. They have a full crew of multiple doctors, both therapists and psychiatrists and all this stuff, along with different things that you need for any transgender in the operations you've had to, to provide their care. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So, we're devoting millions of dollars to their physical. to their mental as well as they don't have to deploy, they don't have to maintain physical fitness standards. And you wonder at this point, what are they doing for the benefit of the United States military? Well, they're not, because our job is to, our job at the base of it is to deploy, fight, and win our nation's wars. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So you, you run twofold with this. Not only do you allow this thing into the [00:29:00] military, which is just By, by definition of what we've introduced into the military, it is, it is jackassery at its most, I mean, most pure form. It really is to, to bring somebody in you, it's like, it's like having a professional sports team and you pay this guy the salary that you would pay your quarterback. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: But he does nothing. He sits there and watches the game because it's, it's inclusive, because we're trying to take care of him. Well, that wouldn't make sense. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't waste your money on that. He needs to go out there and win a football game because, but that's what we're doing. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: These folks contribute nothing to a warfighting procedure and you could argue that there's a lot of folks who don't contribute anything. But, but, but they could, but they haven't been, they could, and they're not purposely removed from that ability. That's the thing. But this is a small [00:30:00] population pointing out range. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Exactly. They are, these folks are purposely removed from that, but then even bigger is what it does to morale. Excuse me. I keep drinking this coffee and it's making me burp. But anyways, um, what, what it does to morale, the rest of these troops have to live with this and they have to go through this, this training and they have to be around this and they have to look at this and be like, this is nuts. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And a lot of these folks come from middle America and they're not exposed to this. And hell, I was never exposed to this stuff growing up. This wasn't a thing. This isn't a thing until much later in life as an adult that I've even known about this stuff. And yet these folks have to, they have to listen to this as somebody tells them flat out this, this female who still has male genitalia. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So you're like, what did he just say? This female who has male genitalia, so you mean a male woman with a female and they're allowed to go into the shower room. So women, it's [00:31:00] okay if you see a female in there with male genitalia, it's okay because it's really a woman. Don't, don't be upset or alarmed. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: That's not hyperbole for me. That's not, that's not me just making something up that these are literal text messages that commanders have sent out to their, I brought this up the other day on another podcast, a commander literally told his, his subordinate commanders. So he was either at the 05 or 06 level, but he said, if you see a female in the showers, let your female population know that if they see a female in the showers, and they, you know, female genitalia, not to be alarmed, but this is actually a female. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It's okay. What? No, dude. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And how does that predict the females? We're, we're the feminists on this one. Because, because now you've got a man, because that's what he is, he's a man with a penis, and he's in the women's showers. It only takes a moment for him to rape someone. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Right. And even if he doesn't rape someone, let's say he's the most calm teddy bear in the world and and truly just has a whole lot of [00:32:00] mental disorder and is trying to live his best life. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Regardless, you've, you've subjected an entire population of your troops to, to this, this climate where they have to accept this insane thing that biologically, psychologically, whatever. A li g that you can, you can tie it to their body rejects because they know through and through that this is not real. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: This is fake. This is insane. I, I identify a threat by observing my surroundings. If I see a guy, if. Who I'm not going to apply characteristics and get labeled racist or, or misogynistic or anything else. So I'm just going to say, use your imagination, but I have been as a human being born with instinct, just like every other animal I'm born with instinct. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And then through my [00:33:00] cultural upbringing, I am, I am raised to identify threats, pattern recognition, exactly to say, this is a threat. I need to remove myself from the situation or I need to do something. I need to take action because this is a threat in front of me. And basically this female population is being told, ignore all of that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And ignore all of your instincts, ignore reality. This man is not really a man. It's a woman and you're like, but it has a penis. I know that, but okay, I need to retrain my brain to say this, uh, this, uh, man, or this, a woman, this, a woman, this, a woman, this one, your brain can't accept it. Cause it's not real. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It's not true. It's fake. It's made up. It's nonsense. And yet our flag officers, not a single one of them, just like, just like when it came to the COVID mandate, not a single one of them spoke up about the unlawfulness of it. A complete lack of FDA vaccines, not a single one of them is speaking up [00:34:00] publicly about what is happening with this issue with transgenders and with males who identify as females and in what is happening to our female population, not a single general officer anywhere on active duty is speaking up about any of the ailments in our military right now and and just calling a calling a duck a duck like you're you're you're not even being asked to be bold. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: You're just being I I expect you as a general officer to come out and just go a duck is a duck So brave, it's not brave. It's just reality Yeah, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: right was even but here we are more amazing is the medical community wants to do these Herculean things for these people to try and help them because it's a they you know It's a life saving treatment when the evidence shows I think there's a 30 year study out of one of the Scandinavian countries It showed that this doesn't save lives. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is a life endangering treatment [00:35:00] as their risk of death goes up 20 fold Whether it due to cardiovascular disease, from all these hormones that shouldn't be in them, or suicide goes up significantly, these people are at much higher risk of dying. It's not helpful. It's not helpful to rub them with warm butter that ends up killing them. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: That's a good, that's a good saying. I like that. Not helpful to rub them with warm butter that ends up killing them. I'm going to remember that. Um, yeah, you know, and, uh, I, I think I, if I, if I, if I, if I look at this a different way and I address this from a different vantage point, death in the military is off the charts right now, it's, it's not, you know, people are going to instinctively think, oh, because I'm on, you know, Dr. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Sigalov show, he's talking about the vaccine. No, no, no. Let me, let me break this down. Death in the military is off the charts from [00:36:00] multiple different issues. We have skyrocketing crime on military installations. Truly. Yes. I could cite a number of articles and just a ton of data talking about the amount of drug use. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Uh, trafficking, uh, all sorts of issues going on, uh, on military installations. Specifically, I would talk about the vaccine because we have young 20 to 25 year old males and females who. Should, by all accounts, be in the prime of their life, and I get it, there's going to be some one offs. If three years ago, we'd have been like, man, that's crazy. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: This guy, this guy had a heart attack at 22. We need to see what's going on, because that would have been an oddity. That would have been crazy. That would have been like, this very weird thing that this young male who is physically fit and does physical training every day, and, and he's, he's been tested because he came in the military, he's gone through, but maybe he, he slipped through the system. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It happens. It happens all the time. The amount at which it's [00:37:00] happening now of... These 20 to 25 year old males and females that are dying and you know, I talked to a doctor the other day that explained to me how between the hours of 02 and 06, and you can attest to this, tell me if I'm wrong, but between those hours, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're absolutely right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is why I have heart attacks and strokes. Why you always hear ambulances at two or three in the morning because the adrenaline spikes, your blood pressure goes up and what's going to happen happens and it's what you're about to say. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah. Your, your adrenaline shoots and if you have myocarditis and if your heart is scarred, Then that adrenaline causes you to go into cardiac arrest and the amount of individuals we've seen that we have found in their beds dead and they're calling it natural causes. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I mean, dude, dude, you can, you can say natural causes about somebody who dies at 65. Hey, what is the average life rate of a, of a, an American? I think it's like, what's let's just say 72, 73, something like that. That's that's the [00:38:00] expected. That's the average life, right? 65. You have a heart attack. I'm not going to say it's the vaccine at 22. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: You have a heart attack or go into cardiac arrest. I'm going to go, that's the vaccine. That's what's happening. That is definitely what's happening. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Like a story you covered recently where a young man was at the, at the controls of a helicopter flying nap of the earth and had a cardiac arrest, died at the controls, and thank God for the quick acting of everyone in the bird because they were able to recover it and not smash it into the ground and kill everybody on board. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Right. And, and it's important to understand that because when I talk to pilots, I'm not a pilot. So disclaimer, not a pilot. Um, when I talk to pilots about the training that takes place in, in, in that Nova cell, formerly Fort Rucker, uh, is that this is high adrenaline activity. So this guy was on goggles, which basically means he's on night vision goggles, flying a [00:39:00] helicopter, nap of the earth. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Right. Nap of the Earth, which means he is flying like 600 AGL above ground, whatever. Um, a lot of adrenaline, a lot of focus is applied. And that stuff's gonna surge through your heart like we just discussed about. And if you have myocarditis, it's very well could be the thing that shuts you down. Um, this has never happened in training before, ever. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: In all of Fort Rucker slash Nova cells. history never has a student pilot keeled over behind the stick and died. Literally died. He died. He came back. They brought him back with the fibrillator. Never has anybody died behind the stick like that in training a student. And so if you look at that and then you look at the skyrocketing suicides, and there's just a myriad of reasons for that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: But my point with all this is Is that deaths in the DoD are off the charts right now. I mean, daily, [00:40:00] weekly, we have articles coming out. We had that one Air Force base where they were talking like 20, don't quote me on this, but I think they said like 23 people died or something like that within a, was a month or two month timeframe. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Staggering amount. We don't know if they were all service members. It could have been civilians or whatever else to put that in Dr. Sam Sigoloff: perspective, 11 of those to put that in perspective for the listener. That is close to the number of service members that died from COVID from 2019 to 2020 until we started getting shots to put that in perspective. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think there was like 26 that died until they started giving shots. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Wow. But yeah, this was at. I wish I could recall the Air Force Base. If you Google this, it'll pop up. But they attributed 11, I know this number for sure, they attributed 11 of those deaths to natural causes. No, no, no, and freaking no. We are just not wired [00:41:00] to die. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, if it's natural causes, that should make everyone go, who's attacking these people using something that looks like natural causes? Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Right. You would think that in the KGB, we're, we're going around poisoning people and making it look like, you know, sticking people with syringes full of something and making it look natural. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I mean, that's what an assassination looks like, but what we're seeing is people just dying in their beds and not showing up to formation and they don't know what to call it. But everybody has been spooked into not saying what it actually is in the DOD and they're calling it, they're saying. For operational security measures, for mission readiness purposes, to keep our enemy from knowing what our true numbers are. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And they said, whatever you want to attribute it to, they put this blanket over it and nobody gets to know how many are actually dying. But you have reporters that are coming out that are digging into this stuff, installation by installation, and they're finding these staggering numbers of people that are dying, that are being [00:42:00] sidelined. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: That pilot that I talked about, he'll never fly again. No, never. I can't talk about much else with him and I can't identify who he is, but he'll never fly again. He's done. His career is over and the amount of people that are being sidelined. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He'd be lucky if he can tie his shoes in the future with, with having a cardiac death like that and not having blood flow to the brain. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Oh, geez. I can't imagine. It's, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: it's horrific when you don't have blood flow to the brain and it's fast. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And yet we will sit here on a podcast like this. And we will talk about the reality of these things. The reality, this isn't conspiracy anymore. This is actually happening. These are hard statistically driven. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Facts that are happening in real time. We are literally taking numbers off spreadsheets in black and white. And we are saying this is happening. This isn't speculation. This isn't, this isn't something that's been spun through [00:43:00] a, you know, you know, some crazy kook website or something else. And we're trying to twist it and turn it. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: These are real hard, evidentially based facts and people will still go. That's a COVID right there. That's somebody who just doesn't accept the science. What do you do with that when somebody refuses to accept what is taking place in front of them in black and white in the reality of this? I don't know. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I don't know how you can convince anybody beyond what they are seeing in front of them because they have refused to accept. And I think a lot of it comes down to cognitive dissonance. And we talk about that, that, that cognitive dissonance that says, I pumped this crap into my kids. I pumped this crap into myself. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And I can't accept the fact that I intentionally poisoned my offspring, and I get it. I would have a hard time with that as well. I would live with constant guilt and regret if I had done that to my children. I would. I live with regret that I did it to myself. [00:44:00] And for those that don't know, when this thing first came out in March of two, uh, January of 2021, I got it in March. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: A couple months later, I didn't think anything about it. My friend told me not to get it. It's a vaccine, dude. It's like everything else. It wasn't a vaccine and it wasn't like everything else. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this is what makes me so angry is that you should have been able to trust doctors. Doctors should have told you the freaking truth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sorry, this makes me so angry that my friends have been hurt by this. And there needs to be justice. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Uh, and I did have side effects. And I, I know you know, but for those who don't know, I had this whole side of my face, and if you get in there and look at it, I healed up pretty well, but this whole side of my face, my eyeball, and everything here was just ripped up with shingles. Okay, I was... How old was I at the time? Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I am 40 now. I believe I was 38 at the time. This was in the spring. [00:45:00] It was a year and a half ago in the spring. I still have extreme, like, extreme pain that comes up through here. Uh, I get some really bad itching and craziness here. Anybody who's had shingles can attest to that. Um, it's, it can be some nasty business and it was at a time. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: It was, it was some of the worst pain I've ever been in. The point is... The doctors asked me at the time. They said, do you have any autoimmune disorder and I had three doctors, three separate doctors because I went to an ER that was out of town. I was, I was on vacation at the time, went to an ER. Then I went to. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: The ER again, when I got back and then I went to a follow up appointment, all three doctors asked me, Do you have any kind of autoimmune disorder? And I just laughed and just, you know, crossed my eyes and looked at him like, Well, I do now, I didn't, but I do now. And thanks to this vaccine that every time I take my kid into the doctor and I say, Hey, you know, my kid's sick. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: They go, [00:46:00] well, is he up to date on his vaccines? Here we go. You know, and I have to have this conversation where I'm like. Actually, he is, and I regret that he doesn't have the COVID vaccine. He'll never get the COVID vaccine. In fact, he'll never get a vaccine again, as long as, as, as I'm alive, because I won't allow my kids to be injected with anything that you people did, because you were supposed to protect me and my kids. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: You were supposed to be the medical establishment that took care of my family. And yet you pumped this crap. And you said, trust Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: the science. And we know that now. And you expect me to believe you with everything else. Well, it's very important your kid gets these other vaccines. No, no, you're not going to fool me again, bud. We've been down that road. I don't Dr. Sam Sigoloff: know more vaccines and I will use my dying breath to prevent them from getting any needle in their body. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Same. Absolutely same. And I'm not a scientist. I don't sit there in a white, white coat and study the information and [00:47:00] get behind a Petri dish. I'm an idiot who happens to observe things around me. I'm pretty good at observing what's taking place right now. I said, no, no, you went too far on this one. You guys took the lie too far. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And, uh, now I just don't believe anything you say. So I've got to go with the, I got to go with the crazies. Believe that Dr. Sam Sigoloff: there's this radio commercial in the area that I live in. And it's a clinic. And they, this guy gets on there and says, uh, he's the thing. He says he's the directors. I don't know. Um, he says he's a medical professional and he says, we have boosters for your kids. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's like, good Lord, what reality are these people living in? Have they not seen anything? These, these soccer players, football players dropping dead kids. Can you imagine tucking your kids in at night, going in the morning and not knowing if they're going to be alive or not? I can't imagine the stress. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Oh, I, I actually. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I don't live with the stress myself because I'm like, [00:48:00] and I've talked to you about this before offline, but basically I had my expiration date years ago, and so I consider every day from here on out a bonus day and it's actually what makes me effective and what I do because fear from retribution or retaliation. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I have none. You can do nothing to me. Okay, you come after my family. It's just gonna be me that much more resilient and resolved to to do what I do. Thank you. Myself, personally, in my own well being, I, every day is a bonus day, so I don't think about my own impending death, but I do every once in a while think, you know, is my day going to be coming soon, where my heart just says, nope, whatever they did to me, my heart's just going to give out because of this nonsense that, that I injected into my body. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I don't know, but it's something, but, but if I had to think about that with my kids, oh my goodness, I'd, I would absolutely despise and hate [00:49:00] myself. And so I understand where someone would have that cognitive dissonance and they'd say, Nope, I don't believe this. I don't believe it's reality because everybody told me it was safe. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I know it's safe and I'm going to accept that it's safe. And I'm just going to horse blinders and ignore the world around me. It's not real. It's not real. People aren't dying. It's because of climate change or it's because of something, but it's not because. It's not because of this thing that I did willfully and intentionally and maybe destroyed my chance of ever being a grandparent or maybe, you know, cut my child's life short because I did this. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I refuse to believe that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Example of that people understand it is this pediatric cardiologist that I knew I got, he was in the army probably still is. Um, I got an argument with him on, on a Army doctor Facebook group, the same group that I was silenced in for a week for causing too much turmoil, um, when I was the one being harassed, but whatever he told me that he couldn't wait till the [00:50:00] end of his shift that day where he was gonna take his child to go get the shot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because myocarditis is very treatable. Well, in some sense, yes, it's treatable. You can treat myocarditis, the inflammation of, but the scar tissue that's left behind stays forever. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Yeah. And I know, I know you've told me this and a number of other doctors have told me this and it, it's, it's hard to listen to that because when you say that it's, you're taking a, you're taking a risk and offsetting it with another risk. I'm going to risk my child in this thing because I'm, I'm afraid of. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: this thing, knowing that this could be the outcome of it. But I also know that this is a risk and I'm saying that, okay, if something does happen, it's treatable and you know, better, you know, better. Cause you're, you're it's, it's like cutting somebody, you know, I'm going to [00:51:00] slash your arm and it's going to scar up, but, but it's, but it's treatable in the meantime, but you just left, you just scarred me up permanently. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: But it's even more, more serious because it's your heart, literally the center of your entire body. So, yeah, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: it's the cognitive dissonance is just, it was spiritual blindness. I mean, cause like you can't see you, you won't see it's too painful to see. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: That's, that's the reality. Um, and I don't know how we overcome this. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: In the meantime, my purpose, and I don't even know what my purpose is anymore. Honestly, I will continue to bang the drum when things are brought before me with corruption in the military, with this kind of stuff. If they do this again, I'll go down this road again. And I'm tired. [00:52:00] I'm tired. I'm not getting paid for this. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: made absolutely zero money. There's no financial benefit in doing what I do. You know, I, prior to this, I was, I was planning on staying in the military. And after the trust, the trust that I lost in, in the chain of command and everything that I saw, I said, I can't stay in any longer. And it's probably a good choice because when I declined my rank, I'd already turned in my retirement packet. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I declined the rank cause I was getting picked up for W3. I made the list last year. And so I turned in my declination promotion memo. And it's a good thing because that, that investigation, the official investigation and the GOMAR I subsequently got would have prevented that rank from happening anyway, so it's a good thing I was getting out. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Regardless, it was, it's something that did affect my career. I know it affected your career. You, you, if this, none of this had happened, I know you'd be in, you'd be a lieutenant colonel by now, you'd be moving on up, you'd be doing your thing, and you'd never thought twice. But [00:53:00] because of this, now you're out of service as well. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: And I think about how many people. That I've worked with personally and I've spoken to in the amount of senior leadership that has been purged, the mid leadership that has been purged, and the military has, specifically the army I know for a fact has a senior leadership crisis right now where they do not have enough O5s, lieutenant colonels. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: They are bleeding, they are begging dudes to stay in, just stay in, just... For another year do this the the promotion rates have gone up like 150 percent for lieutenant colonels because they're like we just we need to get people in the seat and so you just we're making our force worse by everything we've done it. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Everything is a spiraling effect for the degradation destruction within our armed forces, which ultimately affects our national security. And this is happening all across all the brand all the federal agencies everywhere you look who is who is running the show who who is [00:54:00] pulling the strings. I don't know. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Let you guys make, make the decision on that. It's hard to say Dr. Sam Sigoloff: it is when you have people like, um, Senator Ron Johnson, when he, he wrote that letter on my behalf to Secretary Austin and said, preserve the D med data. Do not change any of it. Don't also don't retaliate against these people, but don't change any of it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then he changed. He took the entire database down and changed it. The database that showed if there was any damage to the troops that showed if there was an enemy attack eminent or happening, took all that and changed it. I would call that aiding and abetting the enemy. I would call that treacherous and treasonous behavior. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And since it took more than one person, I would call that conspiracy to commit treason. But that's just in my opinion. I'd like to see that played out in front of Congress for them to look into it to see if they agree with my opinion. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I would like to see that as well and, [00:55:00] you know, what I've always said about that situation in particular is the fact that SecDef Austin is an unelected Official in the, in the government and he just flat out ignored. He didn't even respond with a note or a screw you. He just ignored the secretary of defense. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Multiple letters that were written over multiple issues. And he ignored every single one refused to respond. I mean, that's wild. We just have complete insubordination and disregard for elected officials right now. And it's just who, who is, who is steering the ship, man. I don't know. Wild. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what's next for you in life? Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I don't know. You want, you want to know what I'm doing now? If anybody made it this far, you can, you can know what I'm doing now. I'm training dogs right now. Yeah. I'm uh, I'm training dogs. Um,[00:56:00] Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I don't, I'll tell you what I want. I want in my life. It's to have that purpose. Helping others. Expose stuff. Keep fighting for truth and justice. Just throw out other cliche buzzwords. And get paid for it. That'd be beautiful. I think they have a job for that. It's like something like investigative journalist or something. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I don't know. I think people are getting paid to do that, but I think there's also a lot of people that are getting paid to do the opposite and cover stuff up and call themselves investigative journalist. So I, I find purpose in what I do. It also takes a lot of time and a lot of energy and I got to pay the bills. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So. Right now, I'm training dogs. And we'll see where the road goes. I don't know. I would, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: uh... So if anybody, if anybody in the [00:57:00] audience knows someone who needs an investigative journalist, especially with, in regards to, uh, military corruption, we, we have a man, we have your man here. Reach out to my email below, After Hours with Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sigoloff, or After Hours at 1791, and I'll get you hooked up with him. Uh, cause he's looking for employment in the investigative journalism field, and he's good, he's got all the contacts, he's got a network. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: I do have a network, and I'll tell you, uh, I'll take any remote job at this point. I've got my, one of my children has, has some health issues that have made it, made it difficult to juggle, um, care for care for him. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: But basically his health issues are significant enough. They kind of have them in a bubble at the moment. Um, and that's just the reality without going into too many specifics, but it's made it difficult to juggle back and forth working and taking care of him and not putting him in daycare and stuff like that. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: So, you know, we're, we're feeling that I'm other parents have those same issues and that's just life, [00:58:00] you know, but that's, that's kind of where I'm at at the moment. So I am actively looking for that, that remote employment, but whatever, God will provide and I'm not worried about it. Um, I'm, I'm doing what I have to do in the meantime and. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Getting to play with some, some doggos while I do it. So not too bad. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Sam, thank you so much for coming on. And I, and, and the audience will be praying for you. At least I will. I hope the audience will be praying for you as well. Um, that you find the purpose, you find God's position for you. And that when he calls you, you say, here I am Lord, as you already have multiple times. Ret CW2 Sam Shoemate: Indeed. I appreciate it. Thanks, Sam. Thanks for having me on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank Dr. Sam Sigoloff: you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:59:00]

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Jodi Meschuk, how she cured her sons autism === Jodie Meschuk: [00:00:00] And when I did try to start asking questions, I was gaslighted from the very beginning. So when I asked the pediatrician, hey, is it possible that we could delay the schedule? I was met with you can't come to this practice at all if you don't vaccinate according to the schedule. Nurse Kelly: Welcome Nurse Kelly: to After Hours Nurse Kelly: with Dr. Sigoloff. Nurse Kelly: On Nurse Kelly: this podcast, you will be encouraged to question everything Nurse Kelly: and to have the courage to stand for the truth. Nurse Kelly: And Nurse Kelly: now to your host, Nurse Kelly: Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Thank you for joining me again. I first want to thank all my Patreon supporters for all the support they've given me. I've even had a few up level or up tier in their support. Thank you so much. We have an anonymous family that's donating 20 and 20 cents a month. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: We have the [00:01:00] Plandemic cents a month with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian, Shell, And Megan. We have the 10 level that was made by Kevin, and Pat and Bev have also joined this tier. We have the Refined Not Burned at 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken, and Rick. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Addison Mulder has started his own 3 level, Frank is giving 1. 50 a month, and our Courage is Contagious tier at 1 a month with Amanda, Jay, Spetsnasty, Darrell, Susan, and b. King. I want to thank you all very much for your support. In the upcoming time, the legal fees have You know, coming to the point we're at now, legal fees have been over 100, 000 for the fight against the Department of Defense and the DOD. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: I appreciate any prayers, any monetary support you can give. My next guest, very special is a mother, Jody Meshchuk, and her son had autism. And she says had autism because [00:02:00] she figured out how to reverse her son's autism. And this should make everyone just stop wherever you are and pull up a chair and have a listen to Jodi. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Because she's got some amazing things here that I want to hear, how she was able to reverse autism. So Jody, thank you for coming on. Jodie Meschuk: Yeah. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. It's always good to try to get this truth out there because as it's really hard on other platforms and people need to know that there's absolutely something you can do for your children. Jodie Meschuk: Whether it's autism or whether it's ADHD or quite honestly, the thousands upon thousands of labels that they give children today. And they're coming up with new labels every day. So yes, thank you for having me. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: So tell me what you think started the autism. And then what road you went down to try and help relieve those symptoms. Jodie Meschuk: So I always, when I [00:03:00] talk about my story, I always take people back and help them look at their own journey too, because for me, as a new mother I, and this was now 13, 15 years ago, that we first started weathering this, and I had my first child 15 years ago, and when you're in that place, as a new mother, there's a lot to navigate. Jodie Meschuk: There is a lot of noise both actually on both ends of the spectrum I find nowadays back then You would find most of the noise more in the allopathic or the kind of conventional Western medicine realm And what you find typically as a new mother is you find that there's a lot of shaming and gaslighting that happens when you start to ask questions, when you start to dig deeper. Jodie Meschuk: For me, in that stage, I was brand new to it, like many first time mothers are. And back then even just 15 years ago, there was a lot of conversation kind of bubbling to the surface surrounding vaccines [00:04:00] surrounding really just the conversation of do vaccines cause autism. And at that time, many of you guys will remember if you've been around for a little while, you'll remember that's when Jenny McCarthy was the one out there speaking about this because of her own story with her own son. Jodie Meschuk: And so here I am as a new mother trying to figure it out and the one thing that doesn't go through your mind as a new mother is that would ever happen to your child. Nobody ever really thinks to themselves, Oh, my child is going to go down a road of, a, an autism road, let's say, or anything like you just don't think about that as a new mother. Jodie Meschuk: And although I was listening to the things that were going on, because you're. You're trying to be aware of all the things, you're trying to, nobody wants to harm their baby intentionally, I don't think, sure, we obviously have, we hear stories far and few between in the media of things that happen with parents who make, really poor choices, but I don't think the average mother [00:05:00] goes out there and says Hey, pump my kid full of vaccines. Jodie Meschuk: Let's harm them. That's just not a typical thought process. So as mothers, you're, you are aware and you're looking for how do I have a healthy baby? And how do I have a healthy pregnancy? And what about the delivery? And the thing is when you start to go through that line of questioning or just even critical thinking, You're very easily pulled into the system and that's what I think people need to be on guard first And that's where for me in my situation I think I was just a little bit too trusting of the system and I find that is now 15 years down the road where I now help parents recover their children and I give them an action plan and work with them closely to be able to see these things. Jodie Meschuk: I think, when you're in that position, you just assume that there's no way that the hospital would do something to harm your child. There's no way that a pediatrician would knowingly or willingly do something to harm your child. [00:06:00] But the reality of it is. They do, whether they do it intentionally or unintentionally, the system is not set up for parents to take control of their health or to take control of their family. Jodie Meschuk: So that's first and foremost is that's where I found myself. is I do believe looking back, that is what contributed to the path that we went on for our first child. So here I am and it's a little, I'll try to shorten the story as much as possible because we only have an hour and there's a lot to go through. Jodie Meschuk: But I do want to say that if anybody wants to read our full story or know exactly what they can do, that is why I have my book that I wrote, Autism Reimagined, because we have to start reimagining this epidemic. This epidemic is not going away. In fact, it's getting worse and it is predicted that one in two boys will have autism within the next few years. Jodie Meschuk: And that should scare the crap [00:07:00] out of people. The problem is it doesn't. Because we don't ever think that's going to happen to our child and we put our faith and trust into a system that does not care about the health of your child. The bottom line is they actually really don't care about the health. Jodie Meschuk: They treat them as a number. It's in and out in a well visit, pump them full of vaccines, and you're on your merry way. And then if something happens, guess what? They're not responsible. How convenient. They're not responsible. I go back to this initial process of, Here I am, I'm pregnant, and you hear all the things like, Don't eat sushi, and don't do this, and don't do that. Jodie Meschuk: Which that's a whole other podcast, but you're doing the best you can, right? You're doing the best you can as a mother. And then you go through that process of, okay, what do I want my birth to be? And for me, the situation that I was in at the time was I wasn't super trusting of. My own ability to be able to give birth on my own meaning having a home birth [00:08:00] or doing it unmedicated There was a lot of scary things that there's a lot of scary things You're told and a lot of fear that can creep in you could talk to a fellow mom who is like Oh, I had the worst experience ever. Jodie Meschuk: It was so painful. It was so horrible. Make sure you get the epidural that just automatically taints Your experience right off the bat without even having an experience. So here I was basically think of a conventional pregnancy, right? So I did all the ultrasounds, which a lot of people don't realize that in that initial period where the baby is in the womb and life absolutely begins at conception. Jodie Meschuk: So the baby is in the womb and you what is the standard protocol at six to eight weeks? You think you're pregnant, you miss your period. You go in and the standard protocol is to get an ultrasound. A lot of parents don't realize that those cells are splitting super fast at that point, and now you hit it with some radiation. Jodie Meschuk: What do we think happens? So this [00:09:00] conversation of autism, and I'll pull people through, based off of my story, some of these facts that people don't know or realize, is that autism is very layered. A lot of people like to say it was the vaccines that solely caused the autism that can be very true in certain situations. Jodie Meschuk: Absolutely. I believe in that. And that's a part of our story, but it's the entire process. It's what was the mother exposed to in pregnancy ultrasounds right from the very beginning. Then that horrible orange drink that's full of chemicals. Then they try to coerce you into a flu shot and a Tdap shot. Jodie Meschuk: If you are getting something injected into your body. Your baby's getting something injected into their body. We have to remember that always. It is not like they're in this little bubble. No, whatever you are exposed to, both emotionally and physically, environmentally, your baby is exposed to as well. Jodie Meschuk: Autism, I love it when the haters come at me on social media and say My child didn't get any vaccines, [00:10:00] and they got autism. Congratulations if it's actually true your child didn't get any vaccines, because that's pretty rare, in my opinion. But, you're right, is that it is multi layered. Often times it's the vaccines that are the straw that breaks the camel's back. Jodie Meschuk: Or it's the vaccines that are the underlying root of why the immune system just simply cannot function. And then you have other hits coming in, right? And we'll talk about those hits. So traditional pregnancy, thank the Lord, I did not get a flu shot or a Tdap because I was offered it many times, but I did get the ultrasounds and I did do the stupid orange drink. Jodie Meschuk: And then I went in and here I am, going in for one of my last appointments. And oftentimes what they'll do in that last appointment is give you a group B strep test. So I was group B positive, which 50%, sometimes 30 to 50% of women end up being group B positive. And the standard protocol in allopathic medicine is just hook you up to antibiotics and give you anywhere from one to three rounds of antibiotics. Jodie Meschuk: [00:11:00] while you are in labor delivering your child. So that was me. I was group B positive, did not know that I could reverse it on my own, did not know that I could decline the test. Mothers, you need to understand that you are in control of your body, and your birth, and your pregnancy, and you can say no at any time to anything, even the stupid orange drink. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: How did you reverse your group, or how could you reverse your group B strep? Jodie Meschuk: Very simple. It's honestly, number one is you can decline the test because the the metrics in terms of what they say is the danger is actually faulty science and faulty research, which we see across the board in anything that they're trying to get women to do in terms of things like, traditional testing also vaccines. Jodie Meschuk: We know that's just 100 percent faulty science across the board. So first of all, the science behind Group B strep is faulty. Second of all, you can just put a probiotic [00:12:00] up your vagina. As simple as that. Literally, you start recolonizing the vagina. And with probiotics and not doing a douche, but probiotics and eating healthy is a big part of it. Jodie Meschuk: Just building your terrain, right? Remember the germ is not the enemy. It's the terrain that matters. So it's actually very easy to reverse it, but also you have the ability to decline not only the test, but you can also decline antibiotics. And the reason why the antibiotics are a concern during birth and what happened to me is. Jodie Meschuk: I'm hooked up to antibiotics. Here comes my baby through the birth canal. So exciting. But guess what? That baby has a permeable leaky gut. In fact, a lot of women and parents don't realize that the baby is actually born with a leaky gut. So that means anything that they are exposed to is going to cause. Jodie Meschuk: An increased ability to cause damage in the body. Okay, both from, think about vaccines, think about the iGOOP, think about [00:13:00] the baby wash with toxins that they wash the baby in right away. And then think about the fact that most babies, if they are born C section, actually all babies who are born C section, Never ever get colonization from the mother's bacteria. Jodie Meschuk: So as the baby's coming through the birth canal, if I took antibiotics, it wipes out every bit of colonization that my baby is going to be exposed to coming through the birth canal. So now they're born with a leaky gut. with no natural colonization from the mother. That's the issue because now this baby has entered the world and what happens is they're either set on a path of conventional medicine, which is inject them with a hepatitis B immediately within hours of birth, which by the way, most people don't realize also there's going to be a lot of most people don't realize in this is that hep B. Jodie Meschuk: What baby is sexually active? Please tell me what baby is sexually active. I hope to the Lord that they are not, or there's not some issues there, [00:14:00] right? But the Hep B is designed basically for people who are drug addicts or sexually promiscuous. And so instead of testing mothers who are in that category of vulnerable, like they come into the hospital, they're a drug addict, or they're sexually promiscuous, test them to see if they need to get the hep B shot. Jodie Meschuk: No, they just do it for everybody because it's just easier. And it's a huge moneymaker. It's billions of dollars just to pump hep B into these babies who are not susceptible, who have no chance of getting hepatitis B. And so that's the first assault. on the baby. Second assault is obviously the eye goop, the antibiotic eye goop. Jodie Meschuk: Why are we doing that? They should be getting colonization from the mother's womb when they come out. And the third assault is the baby wash. Johnson and Johnson, boy, they make billions of dollars putting their products into hospitals that are full of endocrine disruptors and full of toxins that again, interact [00:15:00] with the baby's gut. Jodie Meschuk: And can often start that process right away of baby acne, eczema, gut issues, reflux, all of those things. So all that together is your standard American birth. But by the way, we didn't even talk about Pitocin because how many times do women, they're laying there laboring and oh, you're just not progressing. Jodie Meschuk: Let's give you some Pitocin. There's a huge fallout to taking Pitocin and to having an epidural. So all these things, you just need to weigh, you have to critically think about them. And I do speak about those in a lot of my things that I do via my books or via the Warrior Center that I have. So this was my son's journey. Jodie Meschuk: This was his journey was the standard American birth and he got every single one of those assaults because I didn't know any better. And when I did try to start asking questions. I was gaslighted from the very beginning. So when I asked the pediatrician, Hey, is it possible that we could [00:16:00] delay the schedule? Jodie Meschuk: I was met with you can't come to this practice at all. If you don't vaccinate according to the schedule, there was no conversation. There was no, Hey, can you imagine if a mother sat down with a pediatrician? And said their concerns and the pediatrician came back and said, tell me more. Jodie Meschuk: Can you imagine if that were to actually happen? It would be a whole different ball game, right? But that doesn't happen. You're met with, if you don't follow these rules, you are not going to be allowed to come here. Now, I personally believe everybody would be better off not going to all checks at all. Jodie Meschuk: They're totally ridiculous. And they're just a trap to get your child vaccinated. And you have every ability to be Dr. Mom at home. You have every ability to be that, but we get. Trapped in the system of fear and we no woman. No, especially women men are a little bit different. They're wired differently I always tell people bring your husband with you to the visits because you are both wired Differently and if you really are gonna go to a well check you need to go with an army behind [00:17:00] you Because they will gaslight you and they will take advantage of you in the very beginning, this is, this was my son's journey. Jodie Meschuk: So I look back and I go how did this autism start? How did we get to this point where he was now given that diagnosis or he actually started to show signs at 14, 15 months? Let's go through that first year of life. So he had those assaults at a newborn, as a newborn. Then we start into the system of well visits. Jodie Meschuk: I was actually. I will say lucky that the first pediatrician that we went to for about six months was giving me the ability to delay his vaccinations. And so that's what I would do is I would go in and I would get one and I would go back a few weeks later and get another one. I actually believe that played into his autism not being as severe initially as it could have been because most children when they go in for those well checks, they are getting eight to [00:18:00] nine to 10 to 11 to 12 vaccines at one time. Jodie Meschuk: It is actually very common for a child to get nine vaccines in one visit and the mother doesn't even realize it because they're just poking them and they're told this is what's going to save your baby. Maybe if they get Chickenpox, they're going to die. That's literally what they're told. Which, nothing could be further from the truth. Jodie Meschuk: Because we know the role that measles, chickenpox, many of these diseases, actually are cancer protective when you acquire them naturally. But they don't want to tell you that. So we go throughout his first year of life and he's getting these vaccines little by little, but then all of a sudden the ear infections start to creep in. Jodie Meschuk: I was having some difficulty nursing. I wanted so much to nurse, to breastfeed, it was, it's emotional. It's a very emotional process that I think obviously is not talked about enough in terms of having solutions for that. And so as I was trying to nurse, I was also supplementing with formula.[00:19:00] Jodie Meschuk: Albeit, I did choose organic, but it was still milk based and milk and dairy, cow's dairy will actually increase the opportunity for ear infections. It increases mucus in the body, but I didn't connect those dots. I didn't think about that. So here come the ear infections. Now here come the constant rounds of antibiotics because you're not told that you can reverse ear infections naturally. Jodie Meschuk: Also ear infections aren't typically bacteria. They're not typically bacterial, so it doesn't matter the antibiotic. And so they're just dosing out these antibiotics for every single ear infection that's not really an infection at all. And now the immune system is getting more suppressed and more suppressed. Jodie Meschuk: So you can see how this cycle goes, right? And this is a cycle that so many parents find themselves in and they just don't know what to do, which is the vaccine. Now the immune system has to try to respond to that, but you have a whole host of toxins within those vaccines, like formaldehyde. Jodie Meschuk: Polysorbate 80, aborted fetal tissue, aluminum, [00:20:00] all of those things, nobody would inject into their child singly. So why are we injecting it in a vaccine? That's what's so interesting to me is the thought process is nobody would ever purposely inject formaldehyde into their baby or aluminum, but you are when you're taking a vaccine. Jodie Meschuk: And so then the ear infections, because the immune system is basically freaking out and not knowing what to do. So then you get the antibiotics and it's just this constant cycle that keeps perpetuating itself. We get into about his first year of life, 13 months, 12, 13 months. We'd already been kicked out of two pediatric practices because I finally started to wake up a little bit and go, this isn't right. Jodie Meschuk: My child is not... healthy. I keep taking my child to you. My child keeps getting sick. What is the problem with this? And so I said, we're not vaccinating anymore. Got kicked out of a practice, got kicked out of another practice. Finally went to another [00:21:00] practice that was recommended in the area and had a good conversation with that pediatrician. Jodie Meschuk: He was okay with me delaying for a bit. And so that was fine because I still felt as though I didn't have the confidence to stand on my own two feet. And we went in for his 13, 14 month visit. The, this was the turning point. Okay. So this is like. The straw that broke the camel's back of our story. Jodie Meschuk: So already my son is handicapped in a way with his immune system and the assaults that he's had in his body. We're still trying to fight our way out of that, but I am getting a little bit smarter. But I go in for that appointment and I'm very pregnant with our second son. So I'm at that time, maybe seven months pregnant. Jodie Meschuk: I go in. And we check in and I was told that the regular doctor that we had made a relationship with was not there and it would be the on call pediatrician. So here I am sitting in the waiting room and this is where I cannot stress enough to mothers [00:22:00] that your intuition has been given to you as a gift by God. Jodie Meschuk: The most important thing that we could ever do is listen to our intuition, and mothers don't listen to it. Women, we don't listen to it, and you've got to listen to your intuition. It will never steer you wrong. So I'm sitting in that office, everything in my body... Think of like you're in fight and flight and you're paralyzed, right? Jodie Meschuk: This is what fight and flight does. We either think in an emergency standpoint and do something, or we freeze. And I froze. Here I am, frozen in the waiting room. Everything in my body was saying, pick up your child and leave and come back. Pick up your child and leave and come back. But for whatever reason, I didn't. Jodie Meschuk: I don't know. To this day, for whatever reason, I didn't. And so I go into that office, cold white walls. Nurse comes in, does her little initial checkup. Still my body is frozen. And everything is telling me to walk out. Then the pediatrician comes in. I begin to [00:23:00] ask him questions because he said, He basically looks at the chart. Jodie Meschuk: Right? And he goes, So it looks like he's really behind on his vaccines. We need to catch him up today. Because if you don't, your child will die of a disease. That's basically what he said to me. And I said, what do you mean? Yeah, I'm like, what do you mean? What do you mean he needs to catch up? What does that mean? Jodie Meschuk: He goes he's behind on this one, and this one, and you know we By the way, we have an epidemic of measles going on right now. They always like to throw that in there. An epidemic of one child that really, hey, once again, measles is very important to our immune system. So throwing all this stuff at me to guilt me. Jodie Meschuk: And I said to him, I said, because by this time I'm sweating. right? So I'm frozen, but I'm sweating. And here my child is sitting on the table. He's already a mess. I just really wasn't at a place to admit the full mess that he was in terms of his body and his system, because I think I was also in self preservation a little bit.[00:24:00] Jodie Meschuk: And he said, I said to him, I asked him, would you give your child all of these vaccines? Because basically what he listed out was nine vaccines. 3 in 1, 3 in 1, 3 separate ones. This is what parents don't understand. Your 3 in 1 vaccine is not 1 vaccine. You are injecting your child with 3. So if it's a 3 in 1, a 3 in 1, that is 6. Jodie Meschuk: And then you add on three other single ones, that is nine. And that happens every day in this country in a pediatrician's office. Every single day it happens. And I asked him, you're telling me you would be comfortable giving your child nine vaccines. Oh, without a doubt, is what he said. Without a doubt, I would have no hesitation. Jodie Meschuk: Vaccines are completely safe. Stop listening to the pseudoscience, stop Googling, just basically shame and gaslighting me to the point where I'm literally frozen and [00:25:00] I am sweating bullets. And then he proceeds to say, if you don't do this, I will be forced to call child protective services for you. Jodie Meschuk: Not this is one of the Jodie Meschuk: reasons why parents. Cave to the system is because they are guilted and shamed and gaslighted at every turn and they have no idea the power that they have within them to say no. To walk away. I'm sorry, measles is not going to kill your child. If it does. You were talking about a massive outlier situation where that child probably had a gazillion underlying root causes, but we have gone from a place of revering disease and the, and what it can do to help the body to fearing every single germ that comes along. Jodie Meschuk: And we can thank COVID a lot for that too, right? We also can thank COVID and that whole pandemic for helping to wake [00:26:00] up some people who are willing to wake up because that's a choice. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: I woke up because of COVID. I was often like that pediatrician. Maybe not huge catch up schedules like that, but I'd encourage him. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: I thought, yeah, this is good. This is what we do. This is, it was how the system was designed to make doctors think that this is good. And to not do it is you're to be ridiculed if you're, if you don't encourage it. Jodie Meschuk: Thank you for admitting that because that is so true, right? And I'm always, I do obviously specialize in naturopathic medicine and different things like that, which I got into that whole field because of my son. Jodie Meschuk: I mean it never would have been something that would have been on my radar. I was totally a, like I work for corporate, I love the system is there to save us. And now I'm the total opposite, get out of the system. Anyway, so there I am in the office. And he's saying this to me, and I just... Jodie Meschuk: I just freeze. I literally just freeze. And then he leaves. And as the nurse is the one that comes in with the vials on the tray and does it. [00:27:00] Oh no, the pediatrician never does it. They don't want blood on their hands. So the nurse comes in and does it. And I just watched her. Literally, I felt like I was in the twilight zone. Jodie Meschuk: I just, it was like boom. And my son is screaming and crying. Now here's, this is very important for parents to understand, especially when it comes to this conversation of Jody, it is, it has been debunked. That vaccines cause autism. So tell me how this is possible whether it's obviously as you know There's a lot of ways that the body works and there's a lot of entry points and there's a lot of assaults that can happen But I want parents to think about this for one second. Jodie Meschuk: Imagine your baby that is laying on that table Now your baby has an innate ability in them to feel fight and flight That is a part of the human body. What a baby or a toddler cannot do is raise their hand and say, Mommy, I'm in fear. Raise their hand and say, [00:28:00] Mommy, I'm scared. They don't have the ability to do that. Jodie Meschuk: So they scream and they cry. And there's a very different scream of fear versus the scream of I'm hungry or the cry of I'm hungry. So when you have a child on that table, they don't know what's coming at them. They're scared. What happens when the body is scared in fight and flight? There's actually a little mechanism in the brain that opens up especially at that young age of infancy and toddlerhood now That part of the brain opens up because it's in fight and flight We inject, or they are injected, with aluminum, polysorbate 80, formaldehyde. Jodie Meschuk: But let's just take aluminum, because it's a heavy metal, that we know is a neurotoxin, and causes brain toxicity. If they're screaming it in fight and flight, And you go and you inject that aluminum, which is supposed to pool at the site, right? That's what they [00:29:00] say is, oh, the aluminum just helps to enhance the antibodies, helps to spur the immune system so that the immune system can now recognize these antibodies and start to spur a response to it. Jodie Meschuk: It's supposed to be a kind of an activator. Where does that aluminum go? Potentially, where can it travel into the blood into the brain and under fight and flight? With that screaming baby. And that brain is much more open than normal. Where do we think the aluminum goes? So now it goes to the brain and you do that over and over again. Jodie Meschuk: And it's a bioaccumulation that one shot may not do it. That third shot might do it. That fifth shot might do it. That 10th shot might do it. We see autism pop up. at around age two. And we've always asked Western Medicine, so can you explain to me why it pops up at age two? Magically. We have better diagnostic now. Jodie Meschuk: We have better testing. [00:30:00] That's just when kids start to develop and talk and so we can see markers of it more. Oh no. How many shots do you think a child has had by that point up to age two? Bioaccumulation. So it may happen earlier for a child, depending on the ability of their body to detox or how strong their body is. Jodie Meschuk: It may happen at that MMR shot at 12 months old. Because they've had so many assaults to their system and their brain is collecting the aluminum over and over again. And once that aluminum is in the brain, it's very difficult to get out. If you look at side by side, the symptoms of mercury or aluminum toxicity and what is seen to be as autism, they mirror each other with symptoms. Jodie Meschuk: They mirror each other with what a child outwardly is showing. So that was basically art. What happened is I stood there and I can actually now tell the story without crying my face off [00:31:00] because I would love to give anything in my life to go back to that moment and walk out of that office. I would give anything in my life to do that, but that is now a part of our story and I will not let my son's story die in vain. Jodie Meschuk: I will not let it because there's too many babies to save. There's too many parents that just don't understand that are willing and ready to listen. And there's parents that aren't willing and ready to listen. And that's their choice, but I will not let his story die in vain. So it happened. I'm crying as I leave the office. Jodie Meschuk: Nobody said, are you okay? Nobody said I'm sorry. Nobody said anything. It's just, it's cattle. You go in and you go out. You go in and you go out. They do not care about you. There are very few pediatricians that do, and that's great if you find them. We drove home. We were actually on the way to the park because we were going to have a play date with some other mom friends of mine, and he is screaming in [00:32:00] the back. Jodie Meschuk: He is the most high pitched scream I've ever heard in my life. And at the time, I did not know that it was encephalitis, but if you hear that high pitched scream, that brain is on fire and it is on fire from what is in those vaccines. So we go to the park, I'm crying my face off. My girls are trying to make me feel better. Jodie Meschuk: He'll be okay. We'll pray all these things, right? We get home. He didn't stop crying for hours on end. He never stopped all night long. So then I called the pediatrician's office and what am I told? Just give him Tylenol and Motrin and rotate it. It's normal. It's not normal. Oh, no, my friend. It is not normal. Jodie Meschuk: And the minute that you dose that Tylenol, you completely wipe out their body's defense system of glutathione to maybe, hopefully, correct some of that damage. Which, by the way, he was, it was too far gone. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. But I gave him the Tylenol, which further depleted his [00:33:00] glutathione, and within days, he lost all the words he had. Jodie Meschuk: Within a couple weeks, he was banging his head against the wall. He was not there. It was as if he just went into his own little world. And that was basically the start of a whole new path for us. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Thank you so much for sharing that, that heart wrenching story. Wow. So now let's get to the hope part of it. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Let's, tell me what things you discovered to, to reverse some of these, some or all of these symptoms. Jodie Meschuk: And I do want parents to understand that there is hope. Like my platform and what I do is not only from a standpoint of you can Set your family up to be out of the system and to not even have to deal with this stuff Prevention like actual true prevention to me Prevention is here [00:34:00] Prevention is having the knowledge of what you're doing and the knowledge of why you're not choosing something. Jodie Meschuk: To me, prevention is standing in your power as a mother. And I just want people to know that if you are in a place of just thinking about having, starting a family, or you are pregnant right now, You have every right to choose things that will alter the course and path of your family and your child forever. Jodie Meschuk: But the sad part is we are in a place right now where the autism numbers and chronic illness across the board is skyrocketing and it's an epidemic. And so we have to have hope and parents need to understand that even if you've gone to this place where we went Where lost my child completely gone. I he could have died actually in this day and age 15 years later, it is never lost on me in a single day that I could have [00:35:00] lost my child that night. Jodie Meschuk: He could have died. And we see that happen all the time. You guys, SIDS? SIDS is not random. SIDS is 100 percent vaccine induced. 100%. I could have lost my child. And there's many parents who do go through that. But if you find yourself in this I'll just call it a crossroads, where you've been given a diagnosis, Or your child is, you see these red flags and you're not sure. Jodie Meschuk: You have to first have hope and belief that the body knows how to heal. Now that is going to be different on a wide spectrum, so to speak, for all children because there's a myriad of factors that are there. But I truly believe every person's body has the ability to heal and thrive. And especially especially when we look at this epidemic of autism. Jodie Meschuk: I will say the earlier that you can start to intervene, the better because their body and their brain is more malleable, but [00:36:00] that does not mean that I have not seen kids at older ages and even adults heal because I have seen that as well. So when this first occurred and I detail, again, I detail more of this out in my book, but basically I had a friend in my life who was very courageous and she called me up one day and said, Jody. Jodie Meschuk: I see these things in your son, I really think that you need to go get him tested. Now here's the thing is, if she wouldn't have called me that day and risked our friendship, I would have never actually gone and gotten him tested because all the things coming in from the outside were, he's fine, he'll grow out of it, everything's okay. Jodie Meschuk: You have to listen to your intuition. My intuition said, no, he's not. Okay. There is something that happened and I knew inside of me, it was the vaccines. I knew that I knew it was the antibiotic use. I knew it was everything that occurred in his first life. And then those nine shots were just. Basically the gun that went off [00:37:00] you load the gun and that's the trigger So I went and I got him tested He and actually ironically The day that he had his testing I went into labor. Jodie Meschuk: So this is all a very quick process. This was all within a couple months that this occurred. And so I went into labor with my second son. So my parents actually had to take my other son to get his testing, which ended up being a good thing because they were able to see it with their own eyes and be able to accept What I had been saying for so long. Jodie Meschuk: So now we have this. Hey, your son has this thing. There's nothing we can do for you except therapy. And that's basically the options that parents are given. So I knew that he needed to get into therapy. I have nothing against therapy. I do think you need to be careful which therapy you're doing, but we got him into therapy immediately. Jodie Meschuk: And then I started the researching and I'm gonna tell you there is nothing Like a mama bear on a mission, there is nothing. [00:38:00] I spent hours at my computer Googling, and this was before Google censored literally everything. And I was searching, and searching. And the one thing that I kept coming back to was gut health. Jodie Meschuk: I knew that at the end of the day, everything that was in my home, everything that we did as parents, was within my control. It was at that point that I finally realized I have control. Why have I been giving away my power all this time? And so I started with his gut. I didn't need to go to a doctor. I didn't need to have anybody prescribe anything. Jodie Meschuk: I could change his diet and what we were using in our home within my own control. So that's really where I started was we got him into therapy right away. He was going for six to eight hours a day. We basically lived out of our car. I would take my newborn. I would, be having him in therapy the whole time. Jodie Meschuk: Or we'd go for a walk or I drop them off at my parents. And basically this was our life. Our life was in therapy between [00:39:00] OT and PT and speech. And we did neural feedback and cranial sacral and all of. These things that I was just like, I don't have time. I need to heal my son. I don't have time. And that was my mission. Jodie Meschuk: And that is the place that mothers need to root into is you have got to do this and do it now. Forget the noise. Forget the haters, forget somebody in your family who doesn't understand, do it, because you are the one that's going to be up with your child at 2 a. m. Not a pediatrician is going to come to your rescue, right? Jodie Meschuk: And they're not going to apologize for what they did, by the way. They'll never apologize. This is what we did right away, is I was like, we've got to change his diet, I've got to get him off gluten, I've got to get him off dairy. And then fast forward, maybe, it was probably about three weeks after I got him into therapy, and I thought to myself, Okay. Jodie Meschuk: Maybe I should have a neurologist see him because I needed to get more therapy and back then I had to manipulate the system a little bit and go to my [00:40:00] insurance company and say, Hey, this doctor is prescribing more speech therapy and I had to be the squeaky wheel to keep getting more hours and more hours. Jodie Meschuk: Today, I will tell parents, I really caution you against getting the diagnosis. You don't need anything on paper to know that you have a child that needs help and that you can do things for him. You don't need to necessarily have anything on paper. And so just be really cautious with that. But I did make the appointment with this neurologist who was known as the most, popular, good neurologist in California at the time. Jodie Meschuk: Of course, I wanted the best for my child. Of course, I went to the best, right? And here we go in for the appointment. I've got my newborn. And I've got my oldest son. And we go in, and at the time, he was just creeping up on about age two at the time. And she does her testing, and I'm watching through the two way, mirror there and seeing what she's doing. Jodie Meschuk: And he wanted nothing to do with her, by the way. I do think our children will tell us. Very much what [00:41:00] they like and what they don't like if we're looking for those cues. He wanted nothing to do with her. So she did her testing. I could tell it wasn't going well. I had this sinking feeling in my gut like, Alright he really does have this diagnosis. Jodie Meschuk: What are we gonna do now? So we go to her office. We sit down. He's having a hard time, obviously, even just sitting down. And I've got my newborn baby. And I ask her some questions and I say, Hey, Doc. I won't give her name, but she really should lose her license at this point. And I said, Hey doctor, I've been researching all of this stuff about how you can heal autism, how you can do things like fix the gut. Jodie Meschuk: And she said, I'm going to stop you right there. Don't listen to that quack science. She said that none of that works. She said, listen, I have two boys with autism. I'm going to tell you right now. It doesn't work. First of all, maybe you should go to another neurologist if that's the case. If you find that you're going to a neurologist that doesn't even believe that you can do anything. Jodie Meschuk: And she said, don't even listen to that. That's garbage. There [00:42:00] is nothing you're gonna be able to do for your son. In fact, you should get ready to institutionalize him by the time he's 18. I just want to prepare you that he's gonna need to be institutionalized. He's two. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Wow, talking about stealing hope. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: It's not a doctor's position to steal hope. Jodie Meschuk: But that's what a doctor does every day in this country. That's what they do. And so she said that to me, it gets better. Then she pointed at my newborn son and said, autism is genetic. You should probably be prepared that he's going to get diagnosed too. Jodie Meschuk: He was like a month old. Then she pointed at my belly and said, you should really consider not having any more children. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: I would be so livid. I am livid. I'm not even there, and that was years ago. My goodness. Jodie Meschuk: But here's the thing, is that's what I needed. I actually [00:43:00] needed that. Now I am a I'm, I believe in Jesus. I believe in divine intervention. I truly believe that God does not give us more than we can handle. And it has taken me a long time to come to that place, because I was very angry at God for a little while. Jodie Meschuk: I was very angry at him. And I just truly believe that appointment was divine intervention for her to say that to me and for me to go watch me heal him. So I left that office crying, driving home, like literal, I was like this on the steering wheel, just so angry. But here's what you have to do, is you have a choice. Jodie Meschuk: This is what happens, is parents will either turn anger into, there's nothing I can do, and just feel defeated. And I call this the camp of misery loves company, I detail this out in my book. The camp of misery loves company is the most [00:44:00] destructive place that you can be. It is the most destructive place you can find yourself. Jodie Meschuk: And you take any diagnosis, I want you to just go to Facebook and search autoimmune diabetes. Heart disease, heart attack whatever it is, you name it, the label, there is a Facebook group that want you to feel like you're not alone and that there's nothing you can do. This is the Camp of Misery Love Company. Jodie Meschuk: And this is prominent in the autism community because I've been in those pages before where I've commented like, Hey, have you considered like what he's eating? And I get deleted just by saying, have you considered what they're eating? You guys, human beings. Want self preservation. They don't want to know that they did something wrong, that the actions that they did could have contributed to something, and they sure as hell don't want to take personal responsibility because it's so much easier to sit in the camp of misery loves company. Jodie Meschuk: The other choice. is you take your control [00:45:00] back. Now, this is why so many parents I believe a lot of parents don't go this route, where you take your anger and you transmute it into action and hope. Because it's harder. It's harder. If I go and I change my child's diet, which we did at the time, he was eating McDonald's chicken nuggets and yogurt. Jodie Meschuk: Those were the two foods he was eating and that was it. McDonald's chicken nuggets and yogurt. Two of the worst things that you could ever give kids, right? But I felt like I had to because he wasn't eating. If I tried to offer him something else, he would cry and scream and have a fit and meltdown until I'd go I don't want to deprive my child of food. Jodie Meschuk: Okay, we'll just go get the McDonald's chicken nuggets. That's easier. What's harder is working through the absolute meltdown of that child detoxing from gluten and dairy, caseomorphines and gluteomorphines, which act like frickin cocaine in the brain. Do you know how hard that is to weather a child coming off [00:46:00] of that? Jodie Meschuk: But let me tell you, the other side of that is hope and beauty and healing. But that's where parents quit. They tap out and they go, I can't do this. I can't watch my child scream and cry. Would you rather have your child screaming and crying because they're locked within their own body? And they have heavy metal toxicity. Jodie Meschuk: Or, would you rather go through a week of screaming and crying, Oh, but now they just detoxed off of this drug that they were on in their brain. And now, they're talking. And now they're self regulating. And now they're sleeping. And now they're smiling. And now they have eye contact. Which road would you rather have? Dr. Sam SIgoloff: One thing that I do for our kids, and I encourage other people to do, is we talk about foods as either weak foods or strong foods. And this is great for adults too, because a weak food, you eat more weak food, what is it going to do? If you are what you eat, you become weak. Who wants to be weak? And there's strong foods. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: And for us, anything that's a strong food [00:47:00] is anything from an animal. Anything that's weak is any processed food and all vegetables. And fruit's kind of in the middle. You can have fruit, doesn't really matter. But we say, you need to eat more strong food than weak food, so that you can continue to get strong. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: And what that does is it helps that relationship with food, so they're not like, oh I want to eat this and I'll treat myself, I'll reward myself with this weak food. No. You can have some weak food, but we gotta eat more strong food so that we stay strong. And when you start to do that, then you can start to see, Oh, after you... Dr. Sam SIgoloff: And you can have these conversations with your children. Oh, you had a meltdown after you ate this weak food. It's either one of two things. You're throwing a tantrum, and you can control it, and you need to. Or, you can't control it because you just, ten minutes ago, ate that weak food. And, to help you, I'm going to be a good parent and have you eat less weak food. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Just if there was a giant meat cleaver, and the child was screaming and crying because he wanted to play with it, I would say, no, it's dangerous for you to play with that. Weak food can be dangerous as well. [00:48:00] Jodie Meschuk: Yeah, absolutely. And that's a great, I love that. I think it's incredibly important to understand in this autism conversation, but I actually call it the four A's, which is not new. Jodie Meschuk: It's not a new concept to call it the four A's, but you have this epidemic of, autism, ADHD, allergies, and asthma. Now you can also put, of course, other things in there because we see the epidemic of obesity in kids, the epidemic of diabetes, all of these things, right? And so when you're looking at the four A's, All of them have the same undercurrent or root, which is the gut. Jodie Meschuk: So when you go through that process of healing the gut, you have to take that gut almost back to a stage of infancy. And this is why and I'll just give this little nugget for your audience. In my personal, sorry my dogs are barking all of a sudden, in my personal opinion, the GAPS diet, which is the Gut and Psychology Syndrome, is the gold standard. Jodie Meschuk: So what that means is, [00:49:00] what the GAPS diet is doing, we implemented this very quickly with my son, is you are taking their gut back to that stage of permeable gut in, like in infancy, and you are resealing it. Now, when you reseal that gut, and you take away the triggers you take away all the things that are assaulting the body, which, The most common is going to be gluten. Jodie Meschuk: Gluten's not necessarily always the problem. The problem is, almost 99. 9 percent of gluten in this country is hybridized. So that means it's full of glyphosate and it's the wrong chromosomes. If babies... We're to skip that stage that every baby seems to go through in this country where it's super cute and fun six months and start To introduce baby cereal that's full of all these chemicals that's literally the first thing that they're getting is hybridized wheat not to mention if they were on formula And had dairy. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: You know it's interesting, so through all my troubles and trials and tribulations, I get ridiculed for saying that [00:50:00] we should feed our children strong foods or meat, animal based products. And it's interesting, because in Canada, they say some of the first things that you should introduce at 6 months old is eggs, liver, meat. Jodie Meschuk: Yeah, absolutely. And you look at other countries, really, it is creeping into other countries, which you'll notice, like even in Canada. There's obviously a lot of things that have crept into there that are very U. S. based, poor, like sad, the sad diet, the standard American diet. And you can just see the fallout beginning to happen in other countries that are adopting this is that you begin to see their rates of autism and other, the four A's creeping up. Jodie Meschuk: You begin to see their rates of obesity in children, early puberty in girls. I am so passionate and on a, basically it's something I'm talking about a lot right now on my own social media. It is not okay that girls start to menstruate at nine. That is not normal. It might be common, but that is not normal. Jodie Meschuk: And that is completely [00:51:00] indicative of eating poor quality meat full of hormones and birth control residual from the water and the soil because what are women doing is peeing out the birth control all the time and xenoestrogens from fragrance and toxic products. And then, you have, again, just this umbrella of toxicity around them that is causing all this hormone and endocrine disruption. Jodie Meschuk: But anyways, all the things that are common right now, be very careful of how you see that they are normalized. And they are normalized to make you feel like you, you did nothing wrong. And that it's genetic. There are very few things that are actually genetic. In fact 0. 01% It's actually genetic in things. Jodie Meschuk: So we just have to, with the GAPS diet, I just want to throw that little nugget out for people. If you're in this place of where do I start is start with food. You don't have to go to a doctor for that. In fact, you're probably going to go through this entire healing [00:52:00] process without a doctor, like without an allopathic doctor, because they're going to just laugh at you the whole way. Jodie Meschuk: So much of it you're doing on your own within your own home, and you have every ability to do that, but that's really where we started to see, we did a lot of things for my son, again, I detail it out in my book, but starting with food, healing the gut is the number one place to start, you have to stop the toxicity, you have to turn the tap off, you have to stop vaccinating, I'm sorry to say it, but there is no if, ands, or buts about it, don't, in my personal opinion, do not vaccinate. Jodie Meschuk: At all. There's no need for it. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: One of the things that I wish I could go back and do over again is go back and give give my kids no vaccines. I wish I could go back and do that because it's what I've learned now. But there are things that are in my control and my kids have not been visibly injured by it. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Thank the good lord. But there's toxins every day around us. There's toxins that we clean our house with. There's toxins in our air fresheners. There's [00:53:00] toxins in the things that we wash our clothes with. There's in the foods that we eat. We're just surrounded by all of these toxins that affect our endocrine system. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Even plants have phytoestrogen. Chemicals that look and act like... Estrogen in plants. Soy is one of the biggest, culprits of this. And it's like, why would I want to give my son or my daughter more estrogen? I don't want to give it to myself or my wife. So these are the things that you have to look at the environment that we live in and that we're exposing ourselves to and take control where you have the ability to take control. Jodie Meschuk: 100%. And just like you said, in the beginning of what did that look like to heal your child? You have to have hope, the amount of times that I speak with mothers. And their confidence is so low because they have given their power away for so long that they don't really know what it feels like to take that back and to listen to their intuition. Jodie Meschuk: And so you have to practice that every day. Like right now, maybe in Canada too, [00:54:00] it's the back to school season. So the biggest stressor a lot of times for mothers is well, what do I do about vaccines now, especially think about if you live in a state like California or New York, where they make it appear and seem like you better follow the rules or you're not going to be able to go to school. Jodie Meschuk: What does it feel like to listen to your intuition and to practice that is a perfect time to start is by going. No, I am not going to vaccinate my child. How am I going to navigate this system? Sometimes that's an outward thing. Sometimes that's an inward thing where you're just flying under the radar and keeping it to yourself. Jodie Meschuk: You have to decide what works for your family. I can't tell you how to listen to your intuition. All I can say is you have one. You have to practice listening to it every day by doing the action piece every day. Even something as little as when your child gets sick. Practice not fearing the fever. That the fever is the answer. Jodie Meschuk: The fever is the solution. Practice what do you do when a fever happens. Not go run to the Tylenol because I'm [00:55:00] scared of the fever. It's Educate myself on what the fever does and the purpose of it and have the things in my home, fill your home with your doctor, mom toolkit. So you don't feel like you have to run to the system to save you. Jodie Meschuk: So you've got to practice that muscle every day. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Kind of along those lines, there's this book called The Gift of Fear, and another book in that kind of series is Protecting the Gift, and I encourage, especially parents, to read Protecting the Gift, but in The Gift of Fear it's not fear like, oh, I'm afraid that something bad's gonna happen it's that intuition that you've seen these Cues throughout your life, and you don't always understand them, but you have this innate sense of, I'm going to die in this situation, I need to remove myself from this situation immediately. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: And it's getting you to able to listen to that, and protecting the gift, the children are the gift. And it's that same idea of, you recognize these patterns in certain situations, and you listen to that's what the intuition is. And you remove yourself and your child from those situations, so that you don't risk [00:56:00] your life or their life. Jodie Meschuk: Absolutely, that's why I tell parents, listen, if it's stressful for you to go into a well check, why are you going? Why are you going? Why would you put yourself in the line of fire? Just don't. And now that starts the process of, do I even need to go to a well check? Why am I going? What's the purpose? Jodie Meschuk: You have to start down that line of questioning in order to be able to get to the answer. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Where can people get your book? Jodie Meschuk: There is my Autism Reimagined book, which you can just find on Amazon. It's called Autism Reimagined. It's also available in audio and Spanish, both printed and audible. You can go to my website, thewarriorcenter. com and be able to purchase it there directly as well. Jodie Meschuk: If it's international, just purchase directly from me because Amazon can be tricky about that. And then also, I do have the Warrior Center, which I set up as basically a place for me to help parents and walk [00:57:00] them through this process. I have courses in there, I have my autism reversal course in there, I have loads of other things in there that parents can use and especially mothers can use to help equip them and listen to their intuition and really become Dr. Jodie Meschuk: Mom. I am on Instagram at the Warrior Center. And yeah, Facebook too very easy to connect with me. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: I'm just writing these down right now, because I'm going to put them in the link below, so that people can easily click on these. Jodie Meschuk: Yeah, thank you Dr. Sam SIgoloff: thank you so much for the, giving me your time but giving people hope. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Because... I believe that's what we're called to do here is not take hope and not give false hope, but give real hope, allow people to see that there is hope in the future and that things can work for the good of those who love God. And it seems that you're a fellow believer and I truly appreciate that and been able to get past those barriers that, that the evil ones put up to keep us from living the life that God designed us to live. Jodie Meschuk: Absolutely. A hundred percent. Thank you for [00:58:00] inviting me on and hopefully this will inspire some people who need to hear this message and just know that, I often say hope is the greatest natural drug ever because it really is like the cornerstone to everything. The minute that we lose our hope and belief, then we are very easily controlled. Dr. Sam SIgoloff: Thank you so much and God bless. Jodie Meschuk: Thank you. Just Dr. Sam SIgoloff: a reminder for everyone out there, duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God. 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Today I take with Kyle Robins, D.O. We went to the same residency program and never met each other until COVID started. Dr. Robins decided it would be better to give up his Army career than to wear the mask. This got him a GOMOR and an other than honorable discharge. Are you looking for a way out of the big box stores? Click here to learn more! http://Patriotswitch.com/AfterHours As always please like, share and follow. Please check out my Patreon account (https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. If you have a vaccine injury (from any vaccine or have any injury that you think may have any relation to any vaccine) please report in their civilian equivalent to VAERS. 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And so again wicked state. I think we're in a wicked state in our society. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff. On this podcast, you will be encouraged to question everything Nurse Kelly: and to have the courage to stand for the truth. Nurse Kelly: And now to your [00:01:00] host, Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for joining me again. I want to first start off by thanking my Patreon supporters. We have a 20. 20 level with an anonymous family donor. I want to thank all the Plandemic Reprimando donors at 17. 76 a month with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian, Shel, and Megan. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Kevin has made his own 10 a month level. The Refine Not Burned level at 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, Pat, and Bev. TJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken. We have Addison Mulder, who made his own level at 3 a month. We have Frank with 1. 50 a month. And Encourage is Contagious at 1 a month. With Amanda, Jay, SpessNasty, Darrell, Susan, BB King. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And Rick, if you want to have your name announced here, please look at Patreons, consider supporting. Thank you for all the donations that you've given through give, send, go still fighting this battle. Now, my [00:02:00] next guest, very special guest. We never met each other before all of this COVID started, even though we went to the same residency program. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He started as I graduated. And so we have that connection even though we never met each other until about a year into my fight and I get a text message and then we have a phone conversation and he's he tells me, I want to quit lying. I don't want to live in lies anymore. What do I need to do to quit wearing the mask when I see patients? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Kyle Robbins, Dr. Kyle Robbins. Pleasure to have you on. Great to see you face to face for the first time. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah, I'm excited to be here. It's the time of your story. Tell me what happened. I'll listen to all your podcasts and I'm excited. Yeah. Just like basically everyone else, that all of your followers, from the very beginning, things were a little fishy, all the mandates, Dr. Kyle Robins: all the measures that we were taking, it didn't make sense. Why are we quarantining healthy people? Why are we masking people that are asymptomatic? Dr. Kyle Robins: Why [00:03:00] are we shutting down free speech and all this stuff? I had my concerns from the very beginning. And even at the, from the start. There was plenty of research out there to show that masks don't help. I guess I, I did what, we're supposed to do. And so I was compliant and everything. But then they started coming out with the vaccine and I, along with everyone else, a few others chose to not get the vaccine. It was actually interesting. They called us all together. Yeah. So if you recall back in, in 2020, we were all isolated. It was hard to find out who was awake and who wasn't, who was for the vaccine and who wasn't, because if you spoke out then, you can get canceled. You get, It was just a hostile environment. But they called us together to have our counseling. Dr. Kyle Robins: Anyone that put in an accommodation or was refusing the vaccine called us together to get our counseling for that, which was [00:04:00] actually a blessing because I met some other people that were. Like minded some guys that works at my clinic and major O as a psychiatrist. So we were actually able to get to know each other. Dr. Kyle Robins: I had not met them prior to this. And so made new friends and then started networking. And I recall there's, I think an army times article that talked about the underground networks. Of the COVID conspires or whatever, and it was true, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: A little to inform that a bit more. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So some of those guys that you ran into they had reached out to me a couple of months prior. So this is maybe July of. I think it was 21. I could be mistaken, but I think it was July of 21. I was in a closed Facebook group for military physicians, mostly army physicians, and the administrator, who's a full bird colonel silenced me for about a week in that chat group because I was causing so much drama [00:05:00] because people were harassing me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So they silenced me because I was being harassed. And that led to A physician reaching out to me, and then they had a little texting group, and then that blossomed into what I end up calling the Nehemiah group. And it's this texting group of about, ah, probably 30 or so, mostly active duty, mostly physicians and it was a way that we could encourage each other. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, I'm not going to mention any names of anyone who's in that chat group because some of them, most of them are out of the military at this point, but some of them are still in the military and it's just a way that we can encourage each other. The times article you were talking about makes it sound like we were, trying to overthrow the government. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not at all. We were just trying to encourage each other because there was a concerted effort to separate, divide, isolate, and then attack us. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And, is it I feel, I believe everyone in the group is faith based, Christian believes strongly in god and that is the moral compass for all of them. And like you said, it was a place for us to come together [00:06:00] to, seek that refuge. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one more thing about that group is it's not only un vaxxed people. There, there's a few physicians that are vaxxed. There is one that we did have to remove from the group because. It just wasn't the right group for him. Dr. Kyle Robins: But yeah, so that, that's the early on COVID phase. I put in a religious accommodation for that and it was interesting cause I didn't know what to include in that, but I put in my RA that was two years ago. I think it was if I recall, it was August 15th and I have not Dr. Kyle Robins: heard, oh yeah, religious accommodation. All right. I have not heard anything Dr. Kyle Robins: from the army on that at all. No initial appeals or denials or anything just went up into the ether and I don't know did human resources, did they get that or did they not?[00:07:00] But yeah, Dr. Kyle Robins: so I, I had that that religious accommodation submitted shortly after that they decided to Dr. Kyle Robins: implement a mandatory testing twice weekly which I also fought cause that's unlawful. Dr. Kyle Robins: There's no medical reasoning behind it. I was asymptomatic. I was perfectly healthy, no cough, no sniffles, nothing like that. And, why are, like, why are we doing this? It was, it absolutely was vindictive. You didn't get the vax. You are going to get, a swab shoved up your nose. So I thought that I told my command, hey, this, it's not lawful. These are emergency use authorized. They're, they aren't fully tested. We don't know everything about these. The law prohibits it. And they fought it. They, they argued with me. I actually talked to a couple of lawyers and. They agreed with me that, Dr. Kyle Robins: yeah, it's not lawful, but Oh, you're in a losing battle. So I didn't get tested for, a week and a half, three of [00:08:00] those. And I got counseled each time. And then I got the threat that, if you keep on declining the test, we're going to have to escalate this and it's going to have some pretty serious negative outcome. And so again, I talked to the lawyers and they're like, yeah, it's a losing battle. I caved on that and I got tested a few times, but then interestingly enough I think this mandate only lasted like a month and a half or something. Actually probably a month and then they rescinded it. So I continued on. Working in the clinic. And I don't think I mentioned I work at Desmond Doss out in Hawaii, Schofield barracks. I work at an urgent care. Yeah, if anyone's sick, we're the ones seeing them. If they feel like they have COVID, we see them. The embedded clinics, they are pretty good, but we are walking, so we'll take anyone. The other thing I wanted to mention with the vaccine. I was pretty outspoken with my medics. I have a great relationship with all of them and the nurse and stuff. And I would say at least half of my [00:09:00] medics did not Dr. Kyle Robins: want to get the jab. But when push came to shove, the deadline came. I show up to work. I had not. Gotten the shot and all of my medics had gotten it and all the nurses except for one one civilian And so that that just broke my heart because I was a major at the time You know, there's plenty of people that outrank me, but I have you know as a major you have a little bit of clout Whereas these medics they're specialists sergeants. Dr. Kyle Robins: They felt like they had no other options They felt like they could not stand up for themselves. They had to do what big army said to do. Which was sad, they all got vaccinated. Thankfully none of them have had bad outcomes from it which we are seeing a lot of in the army now in the military, but, as far as I'm aware, even the ones that have PCS or ETS thankfully, nobody has myocarditis or anything like that. Let's see.[00:10:00] Dr. Kyle Robins: So that's the early stages of COVID. Again, going throughout the whole. That whole Dr. Kyle Robins: time I was irritated with all the mandates that were going on and the mask and, the silencing, the propaganda against cheap and effective medications like hydroxychloroquine, which had been shown to be effective against SARS one and ivermectin, which, both of those medications have ample studies showing their effectiveness, but Yeah, just irritated and confused as to why we, we were so close minded, focused on just the vaccine. In march of 2022 after lots of study, lots of Dr. Kyle Robins: fasting and prayer seeking guidance from God, I decided, you know what? I can't do this anymore. I took the Hippocratic oath, which said do no harm. And people are coming to me looking for [00:11:00] medical guidance. And if I'm there wearing a mask, talking to them so they can't see me, can't hear me, you can't. I'm a hypocrite if I do that and, I believe that it's not helpful and it's harmful and the evidence suggests that, it's pretty solid that it's it's harmful and it's ineffective. And if I wear a mask, then I'm portraying a falsehood and perpetuating that falsehood. So again, it wasn't just the medical evidence, the research that solidified my my decision, but it was praying to God getting his guidance. Cause I don't think I could have just done it with my intellectual knowledge. Cause I'm definitely lacking a lot in that area, but so I decided, I'm going to stop wearing the mask. And I got a little Dr. Kyle Robins: pushback from my OIC. He's a great friend of mine. He had, he gave me a few gentle [00:12:00] reminders. Oh, you got to wear a mask up. Policy is to wear a mask and I just yeah, it didn't follow. I was never rude, never, never anything like that, but I just never wore it. Dr. Kyle Robins: And. So I did that for 3 months, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: let me pause you for a second because I want to make it clear that I have a previous guest that came on and he actually went to court martial and was convicted for not testing and not wearing a mask. And both of those these tests and the mass were covered under emergency use authorization, meaning under 10 U. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: S. C. 1107 alpha. It is unlawful and illegal to tell a service member to use any product that's covered under emergency use authorization. So you have the law on your side. I want to let all the listeners understand that it doesn't matter if it's a policy of the clinic. The policy of the clinic cannot supersede United States. Dr. Kyle Robins: At the time, I actually didn't [00:13:00] realize that the masks were EUA, emergency use authorized. But yeah, so I went without the mask for three months. And then in May of 2022 the clinic commander came walking through and he saw me without a mask. Funny enough, he didn't really approach me himself, or try to correct me himself. He sent that down his chain of command. I don't know. But yeah, so the next day my OIC talks to me he says, Hey, command saw you without a mask. We need you to wear a mask. And then I hop on my computer check outlook and the deputy commander had sent. An email, a mass email to the whole clinic saying, Hey, this is the policy. We all need to wear a mask. So I was like obviously this is directed at me. So I went and talked to I wanted to talk to the clinic commander, but got routed to the deputy commander. And. Told them my reasoning as I told him, I [00:14:00] was like, Hey, I can't, this is not an order I can follow. They are mass are ineffective and they are harmful. We've, we didn't understand the harms of mass at the beginning of the pandemic. But we do now we've seen significant issues, not I would say mostly in children. There's a huge increase in speech impediments and cognitive Dr. Kyle Robins: delays. We are social creatures. God designed us to interact with one another. And for a kid to only see this, all the time, they are not going to develop appropriately. They aren't going to learn how to speak. They aren't going to learn social interactions. They're just going to have troubles. And I don't... We don't know, but I don't think that they will ever fully correct from that. We'll see. I gave him that reasoning. I asked for some accommodations, anyone who is coming into the clinic with COVID symptoms, we have them marked as virtual so we would give them a call and talk to them and [00:15:00] if we deem that they need to come in we'd bring them in but otherwise we typically just would test them and send them on their way, send them home with quarters. So I asked to just do the virtual stuff. And that, that was, I'd say that was probably a third of our patient load. So it pretty significant portion. So if we're seeing, if we have four or five providers, I'm seeing a third of them. So I thought that was pretty fair, but he didn't want that. And so sent me back to the clinic, but I was not allowed to enter the clinic without a mask. And so there was a, Fun little, couple days where I tried working out on the ambulance bay, and that's not what they wanted, and I eventually got sent home for a week while they deliberated and tried to decide what to do with me. Is this when you were seeing patients outside? During that time, yeah, I saw patients outside. So Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I love it the workarounds. [00:16:00] Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah. Yeah. It was weird. At one point I was actually sitting in my car in the parking lot Dr. Kyle Robins: calling patients. I was like, this is so dumb. And I was, it was summer. I was baking so hot. And so that's when they sent me home. But during that time, I actually submitted Dr. Kyle Robins: a religious accommodation for the mask. And I would encourage all of your listeners to do this. Yeah. Study the word face in the scriptures, look up all instances where it says face and you'll see there's three three themes there or three subjects. So one is seeking the face of God. So when we are in a righteous state, we see and try to seek the face of God. Another is God hiding his face from us. If we are in a wicked state and the other kind of similar to that would be us hiding our face from God and so again wicked state. And[00:17:00] I think we're in a wicked state in our society. We are embracing all sorts of falsehoods and evil and promoting it. And I think this is a literal hiding our face from God. And so I submitted that, to my command and I don't think it got anywhere. It was actually during this time that I reached out to you Mark Bashaw and you connected me with Davis Yance and a few other freedom fighting attorneys. And that's actually when I found out that all masks are under emergency use authorization. So bye bye. Cannot be mandated. So of course, upon hearing that I submitted that, I told my command about that the response was this was vetted by the army attorneys. So it's fine. All right. It's you giving that order, not them. Dr. Kyle Robins: So it's probably something you want to look into, but yeah, so that got dismissed also. So [00:18:00] anyways, I got sent home for a week while they tried to decide what to do with me. If you remember, I requested for accommodations to do the virtual. So after punishing me, they decided, yeah we're going to do the virtual. So they sent me to a remote clinic. Desmond Doffs, for those that have been there, you'll know this, but it's shaped in a U. So you got. The urgent cares like down here, they sent me all the way up to this clinic up here. So I was on the second floor in the very back very, like very last hallway or very last office in that hallway. It's there, there's a few public health nurses. That work there, but otherwise there's it's a non patient care area. Nobody goes up there. And my instructions were, you're going to go up here. You're going to go to your office. You're not going to talk to anyone. And you're just going to call virtual patients, which isolation is also. A an unlawful [00:19:00] order. They don't have that authorization Dr. Sam Sigoloff: to authorize. Someone is illegal and unlawful as well. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yes. So now did I follow that? No, I actually became really good friends with those public health nurses. And, I was a little apprehensive at first because their public health. And so my thought was, Oh they're seeing all these cases of COVID. And when all is positive COVID, you're going to think things are worse than they are on the ground, so I thought they were, I thought they'd be following the narrative, but it turned out I was sitting in my office one day and I hear one of the guys talking about shoot, what's it called? Dr. Kyle Robins: When when you change a virus to be more harmful or Dr. Sam Sigoloff: the mutations. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, Dr. Kyle Robins: I don't know what whatever the Wuhan lab was doing. They changed to make more Oh, the gain of function. Yes. They, I hear gain of function research and I was like, ding. [00:20:00] Let me go talk to him. He's obviously awake. And then I talked to a few others and yeah so I actually ended up becoming pretty good friends with them. But yeah, so while I was up there, I continued to call all the virtuals, virtual appointments, and it made me laugh because, of all of the providers in the urgent care, I'm the most likely to say, Hey, you know what? COVID's just influenza. You don't need a test because for a 25 year old guy that has flu like symptoms, if you have the flu, I'm not going to test you because Dr. Kyle Robins: it's not going to change anything. If you have COVID, I'll do the same thing. I'll send you home because you feel like crud. Yeah it made me laugh that I was the one taking care of the COVID patients, but yeah, so I was up there. I don't even remember how long I was Dr. Kyle Robins: isolated in my office. I definitely found plenty of time to. Swing down to the urgent care and hang out with the medics and nurses and stuff.[00:21:00] But yeah, so during that time I did get an article 90, that was in June of 2022. So that is failure to obey a lawful order from a commanding officer. Wow. So I got an article 90 for that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not a lawful order. It goes against 10 U. S. C. 1107 Alpha. It's mind blowing what Dr. Kyle Robins: they're doing here. Yep. And so I put that in my counseling statement for that. That, it's not a lawful order. It's EUA. But this, that resulted in a GOMER, General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand. That was in August. And it, again, it made me laugh because in the GOMER. Yeah, it's an honor to be in that club, but in that Gomer, they said, Dr. Kyle Robins: we're considering putting this in your permanent file. We will consider any rebuttal that you put in. My thought was, I've given you everything. I've told you [00:22:00] that the masks are harmful. I've told you that they're ineffective. And more importantly, I've told you that order is unlawful. So it's whatever I submit, it's not going to change anything. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When I was given that option, when I was given that option of, Hey, watch out, this is going to go in your permanent file, my response was my permanent file is not on earth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's with our Lord in heaven. That solidified it going into my earthly Dr. Kyle Robins: permanent file. Yes, I'll frame that gomor, but yeah, so I don't know if this is policy Dr. Kyle Robins: everywhere, but I've heard it's policy here in Hawaii. If you get a gomor, that automatically triggers an elimination. September I got a memo saying that, they're initiating my elimination. And they were going to give me a general discharge characterization. So general under honorable conditions. Some of your listeners are not going to be military, but it goes honorable, [00:23:00] then general, then other than honorable, and then dishonorable. So I never had any concern for a dishonorable or I guess there was some concern that I'm. Dr. Kyle Robins: Might get an other than honorable, but honestly, I think I've had a great military career and I deserve an honorable honorable discharge. I talked to davis, my attorney, and, Dr. Kyle Robins: We put in a resignation in lieu of the separation with a requesting that I get an honorable they. declined that and then decided to send me to a BOI, a board of inquiry. So a board of inquiry is a legal case that is just in the military. So it has no legal standing outside the military. In, it's basically the same because like I, I had my attorneys, there was the prosecuting attorneys and then there was a board, so three panel members that determined my fate. Yeah, [00:24:00] that was January of... Last year or no, January this year, sorry and, I'm super, super grateful and blessed to have had the support team that I had. Again, I mentioned Davis Yancey was my attorney and then I had the troop defense services. Captain christopher Lynn and Specialist Alex Van Wagner, they were my attorneys, Dr. Kyle Robins: I recall when I went to them initially. They heard that, this guy, this fool he just didn't want to wear a mask. But as I showed them, yeah, as I showed them the evidence, their minds were blown and they're like, man this guy's done his research. He actually knows what he's talking about. And he's right. It is emergency use authorized. It is unlawful. And yeah I think I got them really excited about it. And I guess all of. TDS. So they were a great team. Really appreciated them. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone that I worked with. Yeah. I had a lot of help and support from you and Mark as well.[00:25:00] And then, in the Nehemiah group and some of these other chats that I was working with. But I got dan, he was the, that works at my clinic. But yeah, I had some great support from from those in my clinic. I had Wendy Howland. She was a civilian nurse that worked with me. And she was the one that didn't get the vaccine. She was, yeah, she testified in my behalf senior chief petty officer Dixon Brown. He was in, in the groups. I had never met him before. But he's just, he's stalwart. He's such a stud. He flew himself out from California on his own dime. I asked him if I could pay for his flight and he's no, I want them to know that this is important enough to me that I'm flying out. And then he... Yeah, he requested permissive TDY so that he wouldn't have to use up his leave, but I think, if I recall, he had to use his [00:26:00] own leave he contributed significantly to my cause, to the or the cause in general and he was a great support in that and then I had Steven Petty, so he is an industrial hygienist, person so a lot of people think that doctors know about masks and prevention of infection and stuff. Dr. Kyle Robins: We don't get really taught that at all. Maybe briefly touch on it and stuff. We learn how to scrub into surgery and stuff like that. But an industrial hygienist, his job is literally to study how to stop the spread of infection or, prevent people from getting sick in the community. Dr. Kyle Robins: And he's testified, I forget his numbers, but I think he's testified in like over 200 legal cases and stuff like that. And has been outspoken about the ways to mitigate risk in a pandemic. And the way to do that is good airflow. So [00:27:00] work on your ventilation system, push the, any virus out of the building and into open air and then sunlight will kill the virus. Dr. Kyle Robins: So get outside. He says, masks are not even on our algorithm. They aren't even in the pyramid of treatment options. So I had a great team that came and testified in my behalf. And honestly, I may be a little biased, but I think that anyone who had an open mind, if they were sitting in that board they would have determined that yes the masks are ineffective. They are harmful and it was an unlawful order. Yeah, so we had the board the three panel members deliberated. I think it was one lieutenant colonel and two colonels. And one of them, interestingly enough, he was he implemented a lot of the COVID measures. So somewhat of a conflict of interest there, for him to say, Oh, yeah, my order was [00:28:00] unlawful. I guess this guy's off the hook. He didn't refuse himself to put him on the case. So very convenient. Yes. But they decided that. It isn't, this is a direct quote from the president of the board, that, that same colonel. It is not our job to determine the legality of this order. And me and my two attorneys are just like, are you kidding me? What is the point of a board? Why did we have this? If not to determine the legality of this case, so of this order clear legal error there. First off, he should have refused himself, but I really just wanted to be like sir, simple question. Sorry, I'm simple minded. How do we determine legality of orders? Where, what is the means to do that? But, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if I can interrupt you for a second. Yeah. Your lawyer, Davis Yountz, phenomenal man. He actually defended a man, Bill Moseley in California at a board of inquiry. And they determined that [00:29:00] the order to take the shot was illegal. But the problem, because it's a board of inquiry, it doesn't have legal standing, so it made no legal impact. Even though the colonels, the three colonels that were on that board and go back and listen to when Davis was on this show, I think the first time, and he talks about this and how it was they're like, oh man, this is an unlawful order. I gave an unlawful order. Unfortunately, Dr. Kyle Robins: my board did not have that integrity to. Yeah, so we put in an appeal saying, Hey, this is a legal error. We either want an honorable discharge cause they decide we're going to proceed with the general characterization. We either want an honorable discharge or a repeat BOI with board members that will do what they are supposed to. But human resources decided. That they were going to decline my appeal and decide to proceed with separation. [00:30:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Did you ever get reported to DHA and the National Practitioner Data Bank? Did that ever, that algorithm ever happen for you? Dr. Kyle Robins: Not that I'm aware of. I've never heard anything, thankfully. So yeah Dr. Kyle Robins: as of yesterday, I got my DD 214 and I am, Out of the army now. So pretty excited. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yesterday was August 3rd, 2023. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yes. Yep. Really excited. I will say, cause I think some people as they, as I tell them they think that I. Hate the army or I didn't enjoy my experience with the army or anything like that. I would say quite the contrary. If I were to go back and do things again, I would absolutely have joined the army again. I think I got a great [00:31:00] experience, great education, great training. I got to go do a lot of fun things. We you and I went to residency at Fort Benning and I was able to do airborne during one of my electives. I don't know many doctors that, yeah, I don't know many doctors in the United States. Yeah. Yeah. That have jumped out of a plane. I was also able to do jungle school out here and fries and spies repelling out of a helicopter. So yeah, a lot of cool things that I've been able to do. Dr. Kyle Robins: I've met some amazing people. I think that, especially our enlisted those that are, boots on the ground, they are some great people that love this country. And they will and have volunteered to sacrifice their lives for this nation. So I'm grateful to have been associated. Dr. Kyle Robins: With all of our soldiers. So yeah, I would absolutely repeat my steps. I would commission again with the army. I do my residency and training through the army. I would have come out here to Hawaii [00:32:00] and worked in the urgent care. I love my clinic. I love my the doctors I'm working with, the nurses, the medics, the support staff. I've had a great time. And I would also, even though in the, I think in the long scheme of themes, did my stand change much? No, I think the army is not going to change any policies because of it I don't know that anyone in my clinic is going, I don't know, maybe it affected them I hope that... Dr. Kyle Robins: It may have inspired some to realize that, Hey, they have freedoms that they can stand up for. Yeah, I think the only thing I probably would have changed is I probably would have fought it sooner. That's probably the only thing I would have changed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I agree with you. I think joining the army was, it was a great choice. I think doing my residency at Benning was a phenomenal choice. I also got to become a five jump. I don't know if you've done more jump since then. But what I think really is a testament to, I think it's a huge testament to. It's a Martin Army Community [00:33:00] hospital and the residency program there is, with all this craziness that's going on and the incredibly small percentage of doctors that have stood up to do the right thing, they train two of them and they may look at this. The wrong way right now, and say, man, we got two of those yahoos. But in reality, two of those men who were able to stand against this came outta that same program, so they're doing something right. Whereas I don't think there's a single residency program that had two people stand against this. Come out of any other residency program. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah. One, one other thing Wendy Howland, the nurse that testified on my behalf she also, she actually pointed this out, but not too long ago, it was probably four, maybe five years ago. They changed the name of our clinic. It used to be Schofield barracks health clinic, but now it's a Desmond T Doss health clinic. Desmond T. Doss, if any of you have seen [00:34:00] Hacksaw Ridge, he is the soldier that refused to carry a weapon during World War II. And he was attacked, he was persecuted but he stood his ground. He knew that was his right to be able to fight peacefully in a war and be a support and help. And he saved countless lives. But he failed to follow a lawful order and now he's honored for it. And so just the irony that, they recently changed the name of our clinic to honor someone who failed to follow this order because it was unlawful. And now they're persecuting people. Dr. Kyle Robins: For doing the same thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it's a great role model and I encourage every viewer to listener to go check out Hacksaw Ridge because that's definitely at least a one time watch, but it's incredible to see the heart of this man Who he was a medic and he climbed up he scaled a cliff [00:35:00] to pull wounded Soldiers off of there and save them and he saved basically the whole unit And he didn't carry a weapon the entire time. Dr. Kyle Robins: And it is our duty to disobey unlawful orders, even if we think, Hey, for example, with a mask, even if you think, Hey, I think masks are helpful or, whatever else, if it is unlawful, it is our duty to point out the unlawful nature of it. If you don't, then it's a snowball effect. Dr. Kyle Robins: More unlawful orders will come and it'll just get bigger and harder. So Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I hope that this episode in particular is a not only a lesson for people to study how it is to gain that courage as you did, but also to look to you as an example to do what you've done to be in. In it for a while and be like, you know what? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I realize this is now illegal. I'm going to stop lying. I'm going to stop following unlawful orders. [00:36:00] And, damn the torpedoes, it doesn't matter the price, I'm gonna do it. And I commend you for that, because I didn't really know what the price was gonna be. I thought it would be bad, but, yeah, I did not get a general discharge. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: At least it hasn't happened yet, but I'm supposed to be getting an honorable discharge. And for you to willfully step into the ring and to exit the military with a general discharge, I think is a huge win to your credit to show the world. Look, I stood against this and even Though it took great personal cost to me and my family because your family has to live off of whatever you can earn in the future, and this may have some impact on that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hopefully, I pray it doesn't. I hope future employers, if they need to, look back at this episode and say, no that's the doctor we need to have in our clinic. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm actually glad you brought up family because my wife has definitely been a huge support, I definitely could not have done this without her. Dr. Kyle Robins: It's interesting. So in Hawaii, [00:37:00] I still see all sorts of, heroes out there driving around alone with their mask, saving the world. It's just so ingrained. Into the population here that, you just wear a mask and I'm like, oh, my gosh, what are these people thinking? But so back in, in March of 2022 and I. When I decided I needed to stop my wife had already stopped wearing a mask. So she she and my kids, they would come to church and not wear a mask. And they'd been doing that for a couple of months. But I was in the Dr. Kyle Robins: bishopric and the leadership of the church. And so I sat up in front and I, so I had some. Dr. Kyle Robins: conflictions. I was like I'm sitting up in front and, literally everyone in the crowd is wearing a mask. And so for me to go up without a mask, that just would bring, I don't know, I thought undo attention and, make me out to be a rule breaker. But so my wife is, She's awesome. She's a saint and she fought that battle by herself for a [00:38:00] long time and Was an inspiration to me to do what was right as well. Amazing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a question is typically when you serve a period of time You then have to go into the inactive ready reserve. Did they absolve you of that obligation? Dr. Kyle Robins: So I've paid my eight years So I don't have to. Good. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Good. Because that, wouldn't that be something that may just stay in four years for the inactive? Yeah. I think with Dr. Kyle Robins: an involuntary separation, my understanding is that I can't recommission. Okay. I could be Dr. Kyle Robins: wrong, but. Yeah, it's not that I really want to Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, for those of us, or those of you out there that think, oh what if our country needs us, if our country needs us that bad, then we'll be near our families to protect them and those around us. [00:39:00] Absolutely. We won't need to go to some far away place to fight a potential war that we may have no dog in that fight to lose our life in a foreign country or something that. We have no dog in that fight. And we, and our value system has diverged greatly from where the military is today. Dr. Kyle Robins: Absolutely. I feel like the wars that we're getting into now are corrupt wars and not, they don't uplift, they don't bring freedoms to, to people. I'll put political maneuvers and corruption. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what are the next steps for you? What's next on the docket for you? Dr. Kyle Robins: We are moving out to Idaho. And, we plan to, so we've been homeschooling Dr. Kyle Robins: for [00:40:00] five years now, four and a half, five years. So we're going to homeschool and we decide to homestead out there. So we want to be self sufficient. So we're going to have a big old garden, a bunch of animals. We got some good friends out there that have the same thoughts. And actually, Northern Idaho is a pretty unique place. The majority of the population, they are prior service. So prior military, prior police officers, firefighters. So they they are also freedom lovers that have served their nation, their community their state. So great people up there but yeah, I, my, my plan is to eventually open up a direct primary care clinic for those that haven't heard of direct primary care, DPC. It is a Dr. Kyle Robins: membership based program where [00:41:00] you cut out the insurance. So you'd probably still want some catastrophic insurance, for the what ifs. But basically you have your primary care doctor take care of all of your primary care needs and you pay for it yourself it's a rising Way of practicing medicine in the United States and has really gained traction out on the east coast and is gaining traction More, you know out west more, but I think it has a lot of advantages over the current Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think it's amazing and look into opting out of Medicare and doing paper charting because that can save you a huge overhead with all the electronic medical record keeping. Yes. And you also get the added benefit. You get the added benefit of not having electronic medical records that can never be hacked because they're paper in [00:42:00] a cabinet that's locked in an office. And then you dispose of those after a certain number of years. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah, I think there's a lot of bad advantages for the patient the doctor for the community. On average, the numbers I've seen are on average in a fee for service that, the traditional insurance based medicine, you get seven minutes of face to face time. Now, if you're coming into your doctor and you have. Heart problems, lung problems, kidney, all sorts of problems, there's not much you can do in seven minutes, right? It's just, all right, let's refill your medications, go on your way. But in direct primary care clinics, you have fewer patients. Because you don't need to just fly through all the patients to, to get your salary and pay off your all your overhead fees, your support staff that need to bill and, haggle with the insurance agencies. So you, you have fewer patients and so your average time is 30 [00:43:00] minutes face to face time with a doctor. You can get a lot more done that way. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sounds wonderful. Sounds like you're going to have a lot of freedom in your future. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm hoping. Kyle, thank you so much for your stand for your faith, for your leadership. I'll be praying and I hope the listeners and the viewers will be praying for you in your future that things go right and you are continued to be led wherever God wants you to be, to make that impact wherever he puts you. Thank you. Dr. Kyle Robins: Yeah, and thanks for letting me on the show. I appreciate you for all you've done Dr. Kyle Robins: not only personally for me reaching out to me, giving me that support, keeping me in touch with others that, that can support and help me but also for your voice with this podcast. I think you've reached a lot of people and have given them hope and support and strength and also, for the voice for God [00:44:00] that, that you are, I appreciate that you bring God into everything. Cause he should be in everything. Yeah, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: cause I, I would not be able to make this stand. My family wouldn't be able to withstand this pressure if we didn't have God close in our lives. God bless you. Thank you so much. Dr. Kyle Robins: Hey, thank you. You take care, okay? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God lets all make courage more contagious than fear.

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Today I talk with Former Army Special Forces Captain John Frankman. He gave up a carrier in the Army due to the covid shot. mylibertyproject.org As always please like, share and follow. Please check out my Patreon account (https://www.patreon.com/Afterhourswithdrsigoloff). This is mostly to help with the legal fees. Please consider contributing but if you are unable to donate money please give prayers. truthforhealth.org for COVID illness and long haulers syndrome treatment protocols. If you have a vaccine injury (from any vaccine or have any injury that you think may have any relation to any vaccine) please report in their civilian equivalent to VAERS. 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John Frankman: And being unvaccinated was just almost the worst thing that you could do. So I think we might have seen some similarities and seen a lot of problems with what was going on with the culture. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What if a bunch of us little guys banded together? What if we joined together to cancel woke companies? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We know what happens. Look at Bud Light and Target. When we say, no more, those companies lose millions, if not billions. When we band together, we are a force to be reckoned with. You may ask, what can I do to help? Here's the thing. We have to stop shopping at these woke companies. But we need an alternative of where to shop. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's what I want to tell you about. This is something we all can do right now to kick the deep state in the teeth. Stop funding our enemies and vote with our [00:01:00] dollars. We have a parallel economy for around 450 household products. Not only can you cancel brands like Procter Gamble, Johnson, Unilever and more, you can also cancel the stores. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have access to a conservative manufacturer that will replace these brands and the stores you buy them from. It isn't an additional budget item because instead of turning right into Target or left into Walmart, you're gonna go shopping online directly from the manufacturer. This is an underground patriot movement that is happening right now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In fact, every 47 seconds, the United States and Canada, a shopper, is switching to our online store. And we need you to partner with us, join us, and band together. Show them the power of our numbers. We vote with our dollars every time we spend money. So stop supporting these companies that hate you. We have the alternative, patriot owned, conservative manufacturer that will deliver straight to your door. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you will love the products. Oh, and I didn't mention yet, we have beef. [00:02:00] Beef that is completely free from mRNA, free from growth hormones, and free from antibiotics. It's even better than grass fed, grass finished beef. I will be hosting a Zoom meeting on September 5th at 8 Central Standard Time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Register at MyLibertyProject. org. I will share all the details and show you how to cancel all the woke crap. Enough is enough. Register at MyLibertyProject. org. That's MyLibertyProject. org. See the link below for MyLibertyProject. org. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. [00:03:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Alright, thank you for joining me again. I first want to give a shout out to my Patreon supporters. We have an anonymous family donor at 20. 20 a month. We have the Plandemic Ripper Mando with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Donner Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Anna. We have Frank, Brian, Shell, and Megan. We have Kevin who's made his own 10 level. We have the Refined Not Burned at 5 with Linda, Emmy, Joe, Pat, and Bev, PJ, Rebecca. Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken, we have Addison Mulder, who made a 3 level, we have Frank at a 1. 50 level, and then we have the Courage is Contagious tier at 1 a month with Amanda, Jace, BestNasty, Durrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank all the Patreon supporters for supporting me. If you're interested in having your name mentioned here, please go ahead and go on to Patreon, look me up, and start subscribing. So we have a very special guest today, John Frankman. John, tell us a bit about your story, because I'm seeing some things on the wall behind you there that would make me think [00:04:00] that you're a Green Beret. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Am I correct in that? John Frankman: That is that is correct. I just left the military July 1st, was assigned at 7th Special Forces Group, so that was my last assignment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what were the... the particulars around you leaving. Was it, you're happy to go or is this kind of bittersweet leaving but know it's the right thing to do? John Frankman: So I think it's more of the latter. It's a bittersweet leaving but I know it's the right thing to do and I'm at peace knowing I prayed, discerned, tried to figure out God's will and tried to follow it. But it was mostly around the COVID shot, the difficulties with that implementation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so what is the, and obviously I know you only can speak on your own behalf, but what kind of feelings were you getting around other people in your group, in your team? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Who were in the special forces who maybe did or did not want to get the shot? What was the feeling? What was the gestalt at the time? John Frankman: Yeah. So like at the time you got to break it up into different periods. So I think 2020 was just a different year for [00:05:00] everybody and everyone was excited to get back going out the door in 2021. John Frankman: And that's when the COVID shot started rolling out. And what I think you'll find talking to people who held out in special operations units is that the pressure that we received was a lot stronger before the actual mandate went out in August of 21, that it was a lot stronger beforehand. By and large, it seemed as though officers were more or less getting it. John Frankman: I remember there being a sign up January, February of 21 on who wants to get the shot and just seeing that I was the only officer in my company who wasn't going to get it. A lot of the enlisted didn't really want to get it. And I think early on that first couple months, maybe 20, 30%, but there was just a lot of pressure and I didn't feel judged. John Frankman: I'm very grateful for my unit. I think that obviously not trying to get Stockholm syndrome. I think there's more that leaders could have done throughout the entire process of this, but I know other buddies in different special forces groups, different units who had it. A lot tougher than me. So I think there was a frustration from some [00:06:00] leadership because as you might've read in my op ed, my team lost the mission because 10 of 12 of us were not vaccinated and it was to a country that did not have a vaccine requirement at the time. John Frankman: And it was before the mandate went into effect. So yeah, more or less, it seemed that guys didn't want to get it. They acquiesced as first special forces command us army special operations command made it a requirement for deployments. For TD wise and they would change the amount of time that you had to stay in one location or to What do you call it? John Frankman: Quarantine before, after exposures, things like that. So in order to be more efficient and you know how it is, they made it a readiness issue, so there's just a lot of pressure from the top to get it. I think guys at my level were more or less understanding. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay, and so did you see more of the, it sounds like more of the officer corps were ready to roll up that sleeve and get it without thinking about it, whereas maybe more of the enlisted said, Hey, wait a second. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I've seen this with anthrax before. John Frankman: [00:07:00] Yeah, I think that special forces green rays are bread and butter is unconventional warfare for an internal defense, and that is operations activities taken to Queries disrupt, overthrow, and occupy in governments or power, and that involves different psychological operations. John Frankman: And our selection process involves an IQ test. It involves team assessments. It involves trying to think outside the box and it's unconventional. We're not just trying to look at a cookie cutter answer. So we are supposed to ask. Those questions you're given an order and it's not just supposed to be, yes, sir, and go on. John Frankman: It's supposed to be, why do you need us to do that? Is this, that the best thing? And one of the difficult things about having a more highly competitive group is that the officer corps, it is a little bit trickier to continue to progress that career. You have to get a certain number of most qualified OERs hit certain checkpoints. John Frankman: And to be the unvaccinated officer or the team that is not able [00:08:00] to deploy just getting green boxes on PowerPoints through having the most vaccinated team. That's that are in points. And I remember team leader telling me, Oh yeah, I had the first team that was fully vaccinated. I'm like, bro, I hope that your team wanted to get it and don't have any heart issues later on. John Frankman: But yeah, I just told my team as that as a senior Raider, I will neither punish or reward you. I personally don't want to. And then I think it's amazing that 10 and 12, the guys didn't, and they were well informed. So I think if other guys stood up that these numbers could have been much different. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then you were a captain in the green Bray. Is that correct? John Frankman: That's correct. John Frankman: Yes. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. And how long had John Frankman: you been in? So total active duty time when getting out was about nine years. Okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now you brought up a really interesting point that I never really put this together. I thought about it, but you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the Green Beret are, you're specialists in the you specialize in unconventional warfare. Now, was there any concern at the time throughout this that, [00:09:00] hey, this could be unconventional warfare used by our leadership against us? John Frankman: So I don't know how many guys would, I think that maybe within the team room, there might be joking of, oh, it feels as though we're in our own unconventional warfare. John Frankman: There's PsyOps that are being used against us. I think that we saw on a larger scale. A lot of the misinformation was, yeah, communist divide tactics along different lines. And being unvaccinated was just almost the worst thing that you could do. So I think we might have seen some similarities and seen a lot of problems with what was going on with the culture. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the reason I ask that is I'm referencing my, I think it's episode 33 that I did, where I used public source documentation to show how the shot itself, not the vaccine, but the shot, was a bioweapon developed in part by China. And I have all the documentation. I show you the Bravo redaction code, which says that, to expose this part of this document would inhibit the application of the state of [00:10:00] the art U. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: S. weapons system, and I encourage any listener to go back and check out episode 33. It's, since then, we've now discovered that some of those redaction codes what was underneath it was Shanghai, China, was the testing location. And it makes you wonder if the guys in the Green Berets... Don't see this as a psychological operation, then it's that good. John Frankman: Yeah, it was, it's incredibly disheartening to not see leadership look at just some of the common sense factors within it. As a religious issue, I took issue with it because every shot that was made was either. Involved using boarded fetal cells in the testing or in the production. And to me, that is the murder of an unboard child and the continued theft and use of its body parts. John Frankman: It's not just from material that is here and present now. So that's a moral issue. And then just, do you need it? We all have natural immunity. Everybody's gotten it. My team, many of us went to get our blood drawn to get tested for antibodies to try to prove and show to [00:11:00] leadership. And then just the negative side effects. John Frankman: We were tracking issue, heart issues. Early on so there was just absolutely no common sense piece of it. I think a lot of officers might say they try to be apolitical, but to me, trying to be apolitical in the military seems like you're trying to bury your head in the sand for the sake of your career. John Frankman: That's my thoughts on that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, I agree with you because episode 33, before I put that into an episode where I talk about the bioweapon, I took that to a commander and I said, sir, look at this. I said, I might be wrong. And if only 1% of what I'm saying is correct, then this is a terrible disaster on the entire military and you need to do something about it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And his response was you may be right, Siglof, and it's a fight. You need to continue fighting, but outside the military. John Frankman: And it's an incredible bait and switch, and we all know about just Pfizer and Comirnaty and that switch. And my team, I think we had a unique experience in that 10 of 12 of us were not vaccinated by the time the mandate [00:12:00] came out. John Frankman: And a lot of people who aren't in the military might be like, Oh, that's fine. You weren't required to be vaccinated by then. No, that's an incredible feat. We were actually in the middle of the joint readiness training center in the middle of the woods in Alabama for two weeks. And during the 12 hour break that you have sent a major out to counselors, like that's how vehement they were in trying to get this done. John Frankman: Fortunately, that got pushed off. I told leadership. That it's insane to expect these soldiers to make a career decision without the proper medical religious leave of work resources here in the field, to have them make a decision within 72 hours, whether they're going to receive a shot or not. And that if we're trying to tell soldiers that learning to train and fight to win wars is more important than administrative bullshit. John Frankman: And we're doing this in the middle of the woods then. I can't convince them of that. And we're just not going to get training value. And unfortunately the training value did diminish, even though. We were able to push that off till later. I remember the Cadre saying we were one of the best teams they had seen, [00:13:00] but it definitely was very disheartening to think, Oh man, our leaderships, they're not really respecting our space, allowing us to train, but when we got back I think every, just about every soldier of mine, when they were getting counseled, they brought up the EUA distinction. John Frankman: They said that community is the only one that got approval. Pfizer did not get the approval. How is this a legal order? And I still have my counseling statement. And it has various bullet points. One bullet point says that COVID's dangerous. Okay. COVID shots are safe and effective. And I put they're not safe. John Frankman: That there's has 10, 000 dead at this point. I forgot what number is. I know it was like 30 K now, but. But it's not safe. We've had this many killed. It's also not effective. There have been a number of people who have been vaccinated. They still get COVID. Also, you said I'm ordered to receive an FDA approved, DLA labeled vaccine. John Frankman: However, none of those are available, so I can't comply with this order. Disagree. And I think a few of my guys might have done that as well, so that was pretty fun. But I put the religious exemption in. Anyway, [00:14:00] I don't know, maybe I should have been gutsier and just let it go to the courts, but who knows. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and I did it all, right? I did a medical exemption for myself, but that's not that's just me, that doesn't help anybody else. I gave out medical exemptions to service members, and I also put in a religious accommodation request. John Frankman: Right and my team, we actually had to talk to the group surgeon. John Frankman: So the group surgeon, the other group doctor, They, the week we got back from that month long trip to Louisiana, which is one of the least desirable kind of trips you can do if you've been we were, yeah, then forced to stay late to get counsel the first night to talk to the doctors the next day and just the most yes men you can run into. John Frankman: It was incredible. And we're like, Pfizer community. They're like, Oh, medically interchangeable. We even brought up Dr. Long and what they said was like, Oh she was a little weird. It's really, can you want to try to respond to the arguments we're bringing up or the data we're bringing, instead of saying your data is good and our data is bad, it was just [00:15:00] infuriating. John Frankman: And Yeah, definitely crushed morale. And then people had to wait till yeah. Late Thursday to once you had not gotten it. Yeah. Get the shot or get a go more. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's coercion. That's exactly what that is. Yeah. It's John Frankman: Nuremberg. When I, yeah, when I was leaving the military, I had an exit interview with Fulbert just as a captain. John Frankman: And I just asked a number of questions. Do you think this order was legal? Are you tracking, you need an FDA approved shot? Do you, have you heard of the Nuremberg Code? Are you doing anything to look into service members who have been hurt by this? There have been more medical things. I'm not going to speak to the statistics of it, but just weird heart attacks, things like that. John Frankman: Yeah, there's, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's an article out that Brad Miller, who's been a guest here, he did an interview with a service member and she's, I believe, about 21 to 23, somewhere in that age, and she's had three heart attacks already. John Frankman: Yeah, it's so sad. It's insane. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So yeah. Tell me about your religious accommodation request, because you're Catholic [00:16:00] and you started talking about that a little bit, but let's go in deeper into what your argument was. John Frankman: Sure, yeah in my background I am Catholic. When I was 15, I decided to become a Catholic, went through Rite of Christian Initiation for adults, and then in college, went to a Protestant evangelical school, where as a new Catholic, I was challenged in my faith a lot, and it made me love my faith more, and made me consider being a priest. John Frankman: So I spent four years studying for the Archdiocese of Washington, D. C. in the Military Archdiocese with the thoughts of becoming a chaplain in the military. However, it's a six year program if you already have a college degree. I discerned out before receiving any ordination and then went from seminary to iBullock Infantry Basic Officer Leadership course, where my platoon nicknamed me the machine gun preacher and then thought, let's give selection a shot. John Frankman: So yeah, the religious piece was, that was huge, but I think that the unfortunate thing that our culture does or that the military does in having you talk to a chaplain to make sure your reasons are religious. is it sees this distinction between [00:17:00] faith and reason, and it's not there. The God of the eternal law, the God of truth, he speaks to us through both the divine law and his revelation, but also through the natural law, through science, when done properly, through philosophy. John Frankman: But I knew early on that the COVID shots all used aborted fetal cells. And I had heard the argument that is remote material cooperation, that if... The risk is grave enough, if there's sufficient danger, no other alternative, then it's something that you can use. I knew it wasn't that risky or dangerous for me to to not receive the shot. John Frankman: At first it just seemed sketchy, but then as I continued to research and learn more I heard that it explained as though, even though it uses an aborted fetal cell that was developed in the 70s or harvested, killed in the 70s that we still, that, that was what, HEK 273, something like that, so 273 had been harvested beforehand, killed beforehand and it's the continued theft of that baby's body [00:18:00] parts. John Frankman: So it's not only the sin of murder, but it's also the sin of theft. We have no rights to that baby's body. There is a reason why, when service members are killed overseas, We try to do everything we can to recover their bodies, to inter them here at home, because the body, it's the house of the soul, it's something sacred, and we should show respect to it. John Frankman: That's not only for service members, but for human beings who, from the moment of conception. So just all of those various factors in there, and I really appreciated a priest putting it in terms of this, that, Thou shalt not kill is a commandment as well, and that means harming yourself too. John Frankman: It's not prudential to get this shot, the risk reward. So he explained it as a mortal sin with regards to the aborted fetal cell, but also grave matter with regards to prudence. So if there's grave matter on both of those sides, it's just not the right thing to do. And just through prayer, discernment, trying to hear God's voice, I just found I was at more peace. John Frankman: And I knew there were options of.[00:19:00] Getting the shot without getting the shot. And I just didn't want any of that because I think that causes the sin of scandal, where if I think that it's a sin, I can't do something that makes people think I did it and then cause them to fall into sin. So I was trying to find what's the best, most perfect way to try to glorify God. John Frankman: And. I sin in a number of ways, and I know this issue wasn't clear, so it's, try to, stay as humble as I can, but that's just the choice that I feel God gave me the grace to make. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was listening to Dennis Prager talk a while back, and he was talking about, it's a sin to lie, but is it a sin to lie? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When you're in Nazi Germany, and you have Jews underneath your floorboards, and you're protecting them. And anyway, he walked through that, and how it's not a sin to lie. And some people use that as reason to fake their vaccine cards. But I think you bring up a better point, that we're not there yet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This actually isn't Nazi Germany, or at least not that bad yet. And to get a fake card, I think, will allow other people who would have stood, had they been standing with [00:20:00] others. Have allowed them to fall and I commend you on your stance of not doing that because I from what I can see from What I understand it seems like that was pretty rampant throughout especially this the community the special forces community to get the fake card John Frankman: Yeah, I don't know I don't know anyway. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And throughout the military, just in general not only the special force community but the military. And it's because, I got to continue my career, I've got to feed my family. If you're an infantry guy and you don't have anything to fall back on, what, how do you feed your family? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's not a lot of jobs kicking doors and shooting people. John Frankman: Yeah, and, God'll provide, and He'll bring good out of the evil. So I know it's a difficult situation. Everybody has different crosses to bear, and I know that mine has not been one of the tougher ones. But Yeah, he's definitely bringing some good out of this tough situation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and I think it's, I think the stance you've taken is commendable, and it's a wonderful thing, and it's a testament to God's glory that you're able to do that, and [00:21:00] to show people how it's done. Yeah let's get into some of your sacrifices that you had to give up for this which, obviously, the reward is worth any sacrifice, because you're not going to have those heart problems, you're not going to have those moral injury to yourself, you're not going to have those concerns about sin that, that it's not that we don't sin, we're all sinners and we've all fall short of the glory of God. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But we also don't want to purposefully go sin more just to get more grace because that's not really how it works. John Frankman: Yeah. Yeah. I was pretty explicit about that. Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. But tell us some of the things that you've had to give up just Off face value, like right away, like you may not know in the long run, what that could have led to eventually, but some of the things you've had to give up. John Frankman: One of the things was a J set to another country. And when guys join special forces, they go in order to deploy. That's like why you go into special operations unit, why you go through. Six weeks of SUT, three weeks of SEER, small unit tactics, three weeks of SEER, survival, evasion, resistance, escape, just a couple years at the qualification course and just hard, hard training [00:22:00] because you want to get out the door and you want to deploy. John Frankman: And with Afghanistan winding down, there are not as many trips. So that the trips you do want to go do, you absolutely do everything you can to get to. And teams will try to show and maneuver how good they are in order to take advantage of those trips. And there's JSETs or Joint Combined Exchange Trainings. John Frankman: That teams will get to go on it. And our team had one plan for six weeks. And in June of 21, before the mandate was out I think first special forces command changed it to where you needed to be vaccinated in order to go TDY. And my team was 10 to 12, not vaccinated at the time. So I talked to the company commander and he said, Hey, John, I know your team does not want to get the shot, but it's now a requirement. John Frankman: So what's it going to be? Is your team going to get the shot or. Are we going to have to take the J set from you? Are you going to have to give it up? And I had talked to everybody about this situation beforehand, and there was only one person who would be willing to get it. So I just [00:23:00] told the commander you're going to have to take that. John Frankman: And it was heartbreaking. It was tough. And that would have been my only trip out the door as a team leader. So that was one thing. And then after the mandate went into effect, team had another trip coming up and I had my team time cut short. So because they were going to go on a trip and I was not vaccinated. John Frankman: I would not have been able to go. So got taken off the team early. I'm still appreciative of my leadership for trying to help me out career wise, not totally tanking my OER. So that was another thing. And then I was accepted to teach philosophy and ethics at West Point. So ethics, ha. And so it was through the Simon Center Military Ethics. John Frankman: I'd gotten into all the schools I wanted to get into, was able to try to convince him to let me go to various Catholic ones, University of Dallas, Catholic U. And. I put the exemption in October of 2021, and I thought at least I'll know by next summer, which is when I will have to PCS. So summer of 22 was when I was supposed to PCS to go to two years [00:24:00] of grad school and teach for three years, and then I would have three more years of a commitment. John Frankman: So I was going to be a career officer. That was what I made my decision up for. And that's a lot of security, a lot of knowing what you're going to do. And I just enjoy school. So unfortunately didn't get the exemption back in time, had to give up that opportunity. And then even after the mandate was rescinded, I called West Point, I called Human Resources Command. John Frankman: And my contacts at West Point said they had already filled up their slots for teachings, that was one kind of impossibility. And then the other was that Human Resource Command said I was already up for a Promotion II major. And that means that they couldn't change my year group. So just these rules and it's like, what am I going to do? John Frankman: I just spent a year in the three shop. Am I going to be a year and a half, two year post team captain, just trying to continue on and take a company. And it just totally threw off the trajectory of the career as well as other ILE.[00:25:00] John Frankman: a trip there and I wasn't allowed to go TDY. So traveling within the country was something I was not allowed to do while the vaccine mandate, while my religious exemption was pending. Which is funny, because I went to Spain a couple times I don't know, it's just yeah, it's, welcome to Wally's World, there are no rules, it just makes no sense. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Did you ever get a religious accommodation request granted? Because for me personally they rejected it, they rejected it twice, and going to appeal it again, and then the mandate went away, and so they're like you don't need it now. It's but I still want it, because this is going to come back again. John Frankman: So yeah, the mandate, it it just went away. So I sat there for a year and three months. It never got answered. We actually had a two star general come to seventh group and he had a talent hall meeting and. He was just fishing for questions. So I joked with my buddies, Oh, maybe I should ask him, about about the shot, things like that. John Frankman: And he was just you got to that kind of lull where it's like, all right he's looking for some [00:26:00] questions. Do I have some fun? He's like any gripes, complaints. And I'm like, all right that's a sign from God. Raise my hand. Hey, sir. Captain Frankman AS three over three, seven, two weeks ago, the CDC changed its guidance with regards to people who are vaccinated, not vaccinated. John Frankman: And they said that there is now no distinction. There's about 31 of us here at 7 Special Forces Group who are not vaccinated and we cannot go TDY, we can't deploy, we can't PCS, so that said is there any kind of conversation about rescinding the vaccine mandate or doing away with that and when are we going to hear back from our religious exemptions? John Frankman: And, yeah, I told him it had been over a year and he just shouted out have you heard of Novavax? And I said, yeah, he uses aborted fetal cells. I think he was shocked to know I knew that, or, I don't know, he's man, my talking point didn't work. They briefed all of us generals, it works every time. John Frankman: I don't know, it's just it, yeah, it's tricky. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And my concern with Novavax, because they offered that to me also, and I said, but it says it has cholesterol in it, and it doesn't [00:27:00] describe it anymore, and my concern is these cholesterol, which is the lipid nanoparticles, which I believe is a bioweapon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it, they wanted, they told me to get it when it had been less than a month after me having heart surgery and I was still on anticoagulants. John Frankman: Yeah it's insane. And people are just in such denial about this being the cause of their side effects. I remember running into a major at a bar and he, he's a little sloshed whatever and just like hearing his wife having such bad reactions just like shingles right after and that's the first dose and you go back for the second dose and it just doesn't make sense and just Oh, doctor said it wasn't related at all. John Frankman: It's like really 24 hours, 48 hours later. I think people are forgetting how science works, like cause and effect and looking. I studied chemical physics undergrad, and I just remember being in analytical chemistry and trying to find... What is that agent that's causing everything and when you have just this Totally new set of data with just some totally new thing that's being [00:28:00] thrown in there's it's impossible to not look for some kind of correlation, but Yeah, people are blinded right now Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When using that, that, causation isn't correlation BS that's going around, there's still if we don't know anything about it, and there's any safety signal, the prudent and wise thing would be to immediately stop administering something that seems to be associated with Terrible disastrous outcomes to the way we defend our country. John Frankman: Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm just, what do I know? John Frankman: Yeah. John Frankman: Yeah. It's pretty wild. The decisions that were made, not made and just everybody more or less going along with it. So yeah, it just makes me grateful to, for whatever reason, just being able to think critically through it, having the fortitude to follow my convictions and That's where in my article, I try to say, what do we do from this? John Frankman: Where do we go from here? We can say always do the right thing, no matter what, but that's just cliche. I think there needs to be just a [00:29:00] reassessment of our principles and values, and I firmly believe you get the leaders you deserve. If we had a super morally straight service class, like captain below major blow, whatever, we wouldn't just blindly follow whatever orders that were given. John Frankman: There would be some kind of critical thought. There would be an adherence to principle over expediency. And right now, I think that a lot of the factors are just political expediency, career expediency not wanting to be apolitical yeah it's it's tough. We got a battle, but it's exciting. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I think one thing that's important is, when you come to the table and you're Christian, whether you're Protestant or Catholic or whatever you identify as Christian, that is a part of you. And you can't separate that from how you think because it is a part of you. It's the lens in which you view the world. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so when something goes against that, you have to stand against it. John Frankman: Yeah, absolutely. What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and [00:30:00] loses his soul? And we're not called to be successful. We're called to be faithful. And I think that the greatest success story that we have in this world is Jesus Christ who suffered, died, was buried, and by all human means that does not seem successful, but God brought the, our salvation out of that and just his complete glorification. John Frankman: Yeah, we need to suffer with him to the best extent we can. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is, this is an argument that I would, I'd be curious if you had not heard this before. I'm sure you have. Because you were applying for a religious accommodation request, and you're Catholic, and I believe the Pope said that to get the shot is an act of love, which I completely disagree with, and most Catholics that I've talked to also disagree with this particular Pope about many issues. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So how did you square that? What argument did you use? John Frankman: And I, I included that in my religious exemption and the Catholic faith, what's, man, there's so many ways to go, but I guess [00:31:00] I would start by saying that there's different levels of ascent that's given to different teachings. So we know that the scripture is God's infallible word and there are traditions that just have to be held no matter what. John Frankman: And that's the creed, different councils, de fide statements. So there are things that you have to hold de fide, there's things you hold de tenenda, so on and so forth. And the Pope, when he says something on a plane or in an interview, or he just writes something in an encyclical that's not, there's different levels of assent that you give to it, but it's like a faithful obedience. John Frankman: And another thing I pointed out to other people is that, is Pope Francis batting a thousand? Not exactly. He's said some questionable things, and at this point, I think it's okay for a Catholic to be a little skeptical, hold to the teachings that has been handed on. If anyone teaches a different gospel. John Frankman: You have to reject it. So I think with a few things, he's been off a little bit, but what that came down to was a congregation of the doctrine of faith, now dicastery for the doctrine of [00:32:00] faith statement that said that it's morally acceptable to get the shot because of the danger of COVID and because there's no other means available, but if a person wants to abstain, then they should be allowed to follow their conscience. John Frankman: I just disagree with all of those premises. I think that except for the conscious thing, but COVID wasn't that dangerous. For those of us who had antibodies, I know some people who died from it. People got very sick from it, but for our young, healthy population it was not that dangerous. John Frankman: And then I think that there were alternative cures out there that were hidden from us. Unfortunately, in order to get you a vaccines approved. Which is just extremely malicious on a whole nother level. There were also Cardinals, Bishops who had disagreed with the Pope and who had expressed their support for individuals who were not going to get the shot. John Frankman: I followed my conscience. I followed other religious leaders who I respect. And that doesn't mean that you can just go on ahead and disagree with things the Church teaches. You have to hold to those day to day teachings. And I'm a [00:33:00] faithful Catholic. Love Pope Francis. Encourage everyone to pray for him. John Frankman: But, I think on that point. He was misinformed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah and I agree with you, and I'm not trying to, the space of light between you and the Catholic Church, but I think it's important that you stick to those traditions, because in, in Catholicism, tradition is, from my understanding, is quite important. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think it's good that we call, we pray for our leaders, even those that we may not agree with, because that's how we can change hearts. If not their heart, we change our own heart in how we look at them, and how we interact with them. John Frankman: Yeah, I think we need to do that, especially there are a lot of leaders and a lot of people who are listening to this or who didn't get the shot and they experienced extreme persecution, like beyond what I've experienced, you've experienced but to pray for them to Try to understand where they're coming from to see their fallenness, their sinfulness, understanding if you didn't have the grace you got that maybe you would have fallen even further. John Frankman: And I can, not every, my [00:34:00] leaders, they didn't all go to seminary for four years. They don't all have the same relationship with Jesus Christ that I have. I encourage them to enter into that kind of relationship to seek Him who is truth. But to really pray for them, try to understand, but still to work for justice so that something like this doesn't happen again. John Frankman: We already had Nuremberg, and I heard this called Nuremberg 2. 0, and I do believe that there are way too many similarities. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and we always have to remember that our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers and principalities of darkness. And so the guy who. who's trying to destroy me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's something in him that I'm fighting against, but I'm, I should love him, which is hard to do. I'm going to tell you it is hard to do. To love these people as, it's easier to love my neighbor who is confused, but it's harder to love, let's say, the commander who suspended me. But to pray for them is what's good for their soul, and hopefully through this terrible disaster of all of humanity, we'll have more souls in heaven with us than if this didn't happen. John Frankman: Yeah, and, how was Christianity [00:35:00] spread versus Islam spread? And actually, it's funny, I had to actually answer that to the, to the colonel I talked to, because as I was asking him these questions, he got into gaslight mode and accused me of extremist mode to where it's you're in a dark space, because I asked him. John Frankman: He's like, why are you leaving? And I just went through everything. I told you about my team and what happened to me and asked, what would you do if you were in my situation? It was like, okay, sure. And then I asked, do you think it was legal? Do you understand it requires an FDA approved shot? He said, Oh I'm not a doctor. John Frankman: It's your doctors are yes, men. I think I might've said that way. I probably should have said it different. Have you looked in that people have been injured and people have been injured. Have you heard of Nuremberg? At this point, he's you're in a dark spot, too much. And I said my conscience is clear. John Frankman: I feel good. And then going into too much extremism is bad. Have you heard of the crusades? And I'm like, yeah, I think that's, I thought that was a little bit off topic, but I tried to give a brief explanation that that's Islam spread through the sword Christianity. It's spread through the blood of martyrs through people who [00:36:00] martyr is a witness, but they're willing to die for their faith. John Frankman: Yeah, I was asked a number of other questions, which was pretty fun, but anyway. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wait and what's interesting with the Crusades is, I think people forget, the reason the Crusades, and I'm not saying they're right, I'm not saying the Crusades were a good thing because more death and destruction and chaos and, that is not a good thing, but they were a response to be, kicking Christians and Jews out and murdering them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's they felt justified in doing it. It doesn't mean it was right, but it wasn't unprovoked, let's put it that way. Chris John Frankman: Yeah, I'll have to do a little bit more historical research, but I think some of them were fine just fine. Didn't need to sack the Eastern Church and cause that kind of schism or problems. John Frankman: But yeah, I think we forget that, gosh, there's so many battles where Christianity could have been lost. Charlemagne, Our Lady of the Rosary. Just, yeah, I should just be a better historian right now to better explain it, but just, Spain was almost all moreish. I know. That's what Europe looks like now with John Frankman: A lot of the, it's going back, going on. Yeah, it's going back. It's, I saw a great meme. It's do you know how you see, say cheeseburger in [00:37:00] France and it has Arabic and, yeah. I don't know, but Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but we digress, right? As they say we digress. Yeah. No, I think that, yeah. That's, those are good arguments and I want to really the main reason for saying that is that you can disagree with your, your, let's say your corporate religious affiliation, like the Catholics, or the Lutherans, or the Protestants, or whatever, and still have your own personally held beliefs, which need to be respected, even if you're an atheist, You can get a religious accommodation because they're your deeply held beliefs. John Frankman: I would say as a Catholic I can't go on ahead and get a religious exemption to say, I want my girlfriend to get an abortion, even if that's a deeply held... Oh that's, yeah, that's completely outrageous. That's but I think Yeah. Yeah, and it's tough, man, and that's what's tough about the situation that the church, the Catholic church is in right now with a lot of kind of malformation, things like that, but When it says follow your conscience, we mean [00:38:00] inform your conscience and follow it, that you have a job and a responsibility. John Frankman: Jesus Christ, like the we are like God in his image insofar as we have an intellect and a will, and we were made to know him, and then our will is made to serve him and to follow him. So it's on our, it's our responsibility to inform our intellect. That means to inform it of what's right and wrong. So I wouldn't just say you can necessarily just disagree with corporate things. John Frankman: I think that just, yeah, I hate how nuanced it has to be, but right now if what the Pope is saying contradicts a former council, so let's say people are saying, Oh Vatican too says this. So everything in Trent is wrong. Everything in Nicaea, everything in Ephesus, it's like we're Catholics and we follow every council and anywhere that councils disagree with each other, you're interpreting one of them wrong. John Frankman: I know that's maybe a little off topic, but I definitely enjoy chatting about these kind of things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, I think you're absolutely right. And, I've been studying the Old Testament more, and it seems like there's times where there's almost a different God, but in reality it's a misunderstanding of what's going on because, like, why would this [00:39:00] happen? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Why would that happen? But it's really, once you get into deeper meaning of it and get into the original text and the meaning of those words that were used, then it's oh, okay. And something as simple That I learned, it always confused me, when, was it Ham looked upon his father's nakedness. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is an interesting thing, it's, he didn't just look at his drunk father laying there. What that means, looking upon your father's nakedness, is means having sex with your dad's wife. So he raped his mother, that's what that means, in the ancient Hebrew text. John Frankman: Yeah, another level, yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so usually, the misunderstanding in English is because we don't understand the original text. John Frankman: Yeah, a lot of original texts, a lot of yeah, just people not having enough time to just study for themselves, and that's, one reason I'll push for Catholicism all day long. You can have 10, 000, 30, 000 plus churches with the same Bible interpreting it differently, but I think that's where you need the authority. John Frankman: And just scholars to help you work out the theology. But I think you're totally right that there are a lot of things that people on the surface, let's just say a lot of [00:40:00] maybe modern people who they just want to point to the text that judge not lest you be judged and leave it at that. You can't just select that piece of the scripture. John Frankman: You need to live the whole thing. You need to read the whole thing. And that applies to this COVID shot, too, that you can't just be a Catholic on Sunday or Protestant on Sunday. You have to follow out these convictions these, your faith everywhere. And that includes in the decision to get a shot that is linked to abortion, the murder and the theft of an aborted baby. John Frankman: Body parts, fetus, like the baby itself for disease, you have a 99. 99% chance of surviving. And that is what I answered that colonel. He asked, what would you say to a Christian who got it? I said I would ask if they can justify that kind of action. And if they were Catholic, they should consider going to confession to a good priest, because I do think that. John Frankman: The gravity of the matter that I think it is a sin and I know there's different levels of culpability, so perhaps not knowing it wasn't a [00:41:00] sin, but I think with proper knowledge, it's, it is a, it's a problem. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, following that up, because there are plenty of people that listen to this and watch this that, that have got the shot because they didn't know when they thought they could trust, let's say their doctor or their neighbor or whoever there's forgiveness at the foot of the cross. John Frankman: Yeah. Yeah. And if you also didn't know, if, let's say you're Catholic and all you did is hear Pope Francis so you can get it and you got it, there's no sin in that. You didn't the matter is bad. I guess we, we look at sin having multiple parts, having the object, having the intent, the circumstance, but not knowing it. John Frankman: There's just a way different level of culpability there. And yeah, there's absolutely forgiveness for those people who got it. But what you need to do in all parts of your life is if you fall below the standard is repent and then you're raising yourself to that standard instead of, Justifying yourself living down to that standard. John Frankman: So raising yourself to new heights in Christ. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Repent. There's always forgiveness. And, don't continue living in sin on purpose just to get more grace, because we already said that does, that's not how [00:42:00] that works. Yeah. But and John Frankman: I'll make sure that I humble myself too and say that this COVID shot thing, very blessed to have just gotten, talked to some great priests, been able to pray about it and just come to the conclusion that, hey, this isn't a thing I should do. John Frankman: But you know what, even though this is a lot more confusing and I was able to figure that out. There are so many things that I know are sins and I continue to do them just regularly. So amen. I'm a sinner. I confess my name to this is not a judgment thing. This is just about trying to do what's right now, trying to reconcile what happened and move forward so that we can have a. John Frankman: better life for ourself, like spiritually, eternally, but also just for this country. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing I want to encourage the listeners is if you repent and you come to Jesus and you have that moment where you confess your sins forgive yourself too. Don't keep living in the past of the sin that's been forgiven. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because it's not helpful for you now, and it's not helpful for those around you being concerned about those things when you've. Done all the things and you've changed your life and you're making those direction [00:43:00] changes forgive yourself John Frankman: and move past it Yep, you're not greater than god if he forgave you then you need to forgive yourself. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. I like it so just something unique that you've seen John Frankman: Yeah. So one of the biggest surprises that I had at seventh group was when I went to seventh group, we got assigned to our battalions and it was a haphazard way. It was like, okay, we're sending five captains to third battalion, and then we're just going to switch first battalion, second battalion, first battalion, second battalion. John Frankman: But of all places, I ended up at third battalion and one of the. The surprises that I encountered there was my battalion was then deployed and the acting rear detachment battalion commander was a transgender major. So that I think was the, one of the first moral dilemmas that I just had never thought I would encounter in the military that I had to encounter. John Frankman: Cause one I'm called to love this person, to respect him and it's a man who identifies as a woman and I'm not trying to seek martyrdom, and I think [00:44:00] that's something that hopefully those of us listening aren't trying to do, so I called legal assistance, I asked, hey, what am I legally required to call an individual who It's a man identifies as a woman or this person and got the legal assistance, got back to me in a week or two said, okay got back levels at the Pentagon. John Frankman: And the yeah, I know. I'm like, Whoa, okay. I guess this you had to go up that high with legal assistance, huh? And he asked are you sure this person's your commander? I'm like, I'm not sure, but right now this individual, and I had to just be super like third person singular, weird pronouns. John Frankman: This person is here. Cause I'm not trying to misgender with a lawyer too. I'm not sure, but right now this person is acting as the, yeah, the rear battalion commander. And she was like, alright can't misgender, you can do rank and last name, that individual is going to know what you're doing, you're going to know that person knows, yeah, you guys are both going to know what you're [00:45:00] doing, it may affect the perception, but you'll be legally okay. John Frankman: I'm like, cool. It was, good morning major such and such, how are you majoring such and such, what can I do if you're majoring such and such. And, as far as I could tell, I was the only person doing that, and I don't know, I just, and it's to be charitable, because, if we believe, if we're Christians, we really, we shouldn't lie, and if someone suffers from a mental debilitation or a psychological disorder someone with schizophrenia, we're not going to encourage that behavior. John Frankman: We're going to try to love the person. And I would encourage everyone to please, pray for this individual and pray for this individual's family as well. Like the person's kids, like it's a tough situation, but it was yeah, it was interesting. I ended up not going to, to his company, went to a different company. John Frankman: I think that was one of the better personnel decisions that, but and it was completely cordial, respectful I think he did fine work, but it's, yeah, it's just crazy how that's how, and just with the shot [00:46:00] going on, it's okay, they can identify as someone of the opposite sex, but I can't just not get a shot, like what kind of accommodations are we making here? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I applaud you for making that distinction. Cause it's not the person that, that. That we dislike, that we love the person, it's just, it's, we also don't want to enter into their psychosis, really, I don't know how else to describe it. John Frankman: Yeah, and I think that conservatives are very much losing the battle, the cultural battle, because to say that, okay, it can't be we'll allow gay marriage, but just, we don't want people to be transgender, or you can be a transgender when you're an adult. John Frankman: I think that everyone has, a culture has the duty to try to legislate. What is morally expedient for the greater good of the culture and you're trying to create like this false legislation, positive legislation by legislating immorality and trying to create a farce of what people think is right and acceptable and it's not acceptable for two people of the [00:47:00] same sex to get married. John Frankman: That, and that is a bad standard to show to children. It's not fair to children to grow up in those families. Anyway, I'm just getting myself cancelled here and there on my first podcast, but... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, that's okay, you're getting me cancelled on my whatever podcast. No, these are good reasons to go against this, because I have to be careful any show that I show my kids. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, look, that little child over there in this show that we're watching has two dads or two moms. It's so now we've had that conversation already. And these are homeschool kids. These aren't kids going to public school. They're getting exposed to everything. And we, we tell them, we're to love them and they're confused and we pray for them that they're become less confused. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's where we leave it at this age because they're still very young. John Frankman: And obviously it's going to take some baby steps that legislatively, we're not just going to go back to 1950s tomorrow. If we went back in 2024, but it would just be nice if there were more kind of social conservatives who were actually socially conservative and tried to understand. John Frankman: If people tried to [00:48:00] understand the value that those social issues, the family being the building block of society is such an important thing. And if you just don't have a strong family, you don't have strong children. You don't have strong citizens. I know I'm a single guy, here saying this, but firmly believe it and support it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, but you're right. You're absolutely right. It's the family is the building block that makes up the society. And when the family is destroyed or when fathers are made to look like bumbling idiots on almost every TV show that we have, and then families don't respect the father, then there's legislation enacted back in the sixties that made fathers redundant. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so now it's more. Financially beneficial to have single parent families and the research shows that if you have a single parent family and it's only the mom Versus only the dad the families that raise the children where it's only the dad are equal to two parent families. Whereas Households that have only the mom they don't finish high school. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They don't you know, get out of high school without having a teen pregnancy [00:49:00] just all these issues, John Frankman: right? Yeah. Yeah, there's a few research studies just like that on If the mom goes to church every Sunday versus if the dad goes to church every Sunday the family with the dad going is going to be 75% likely to go and I think the mom only is 25. John Frankman: It's incredible. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and it just, and this is a call to men out there to be men, to be leaders in your family or to be leaders in your community or to take that role of leadership that you've been given, whether you want it or not. It's an uncomfortable mantle to be a leader. When I spoke to Brad Miller before, he said the people who are the true leaders are the ones that are willing to give up that actual leadership in the military, the, where you're put into a position like that means that you're actually worth it if you're willing to give it up for a reason that was worth giving it up for. John Frankman: Yeah, definitely an incredible example. And unfortunately, we don't have more leaders like that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, but you, sir, are one of those leaders. And I want to commend you for that. John Frankman: Yeah, thanks so much. I am just trying to discern God's will, [00:50:00] follow it as I can. And I think that God knows what sinners we are right now. John Frankman: Insofar as what incredible things have I done in the military? I didn't call a transgendered individual a man. And I also just didn't get a shot that I thought was going to be dangerous for me. And that is somehow an exceptional feat in society. So I think God's given us some softballs right now to try to... John Frankman: Build up virtue and, but I do appreciate the kind words. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: John I know you, you started this long, hard road. I want to commend you for your your bravery, for your willingness to follow God, even when... It seems that in the ways of the world, what you're doing is not wise. It is. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We find that the foolish will confound the wise, and I think this is one of those perfect examples of what the world considers foolish is actually quite wise. And I'll be praying for you, and I hope that many of the listeners and the viewers will be praying for you that you've Find the way that God wants you to take, whether that be seminary, or whether that be becoming a priest, or some other way of following. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm sure you will follow whatever path He has [00:51:00] put forth before you. John Frankman: Thanks, Sam. Thanks so much for everything you're doing. I'll pray for you, pray for your family, and please continue to spread the good word. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, and God bless. John Frankman: God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:52:00]

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Specialist Karolina Stancik: And that was heart attack number one. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. Government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Alright, thank you for joining me again. I want to first thank all of my Patreon supporters. We have an anonymous family donor at 20. 20. We have the Plandemic Reprimando at 17. [00:01:00] 76 a month with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian, Shell, Megan. At 10 a month, we have Kevin and Patton Bev. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have the Refined Not Burned tier at 5 with Linda, Emmy, Joe, PJ, Rebecca, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer and Ken. We have Addison Mulder who's made his own 3 a month level. We have Frank giving 1. 50 a month. And then we have the Courageous Contagious tier at 1. 00. With Amanda, Jace, BestNasty, Durrell, Susan, Phoebe King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank everyone for supporting. And today we're gonna give you the link to a Give Send Go to help our next guest. Our next guest today is Carolina Stancic. Carolina... Tell me your story. Tell me what's going on in your life and what's happened to you through the time that you've been in the military in this very short time that you've been in the military. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Hi, Sam. Thank you so much for having me on your show. Before I start, obviously, [00:02:00] still in, so every opinion, thought, view experience will be my own and it won't be representing the DoD or the U. S. Army. With that being said, I joined the military in February of 2021. That was right around the time that the military decided to start mandating a vaccine that we didn't know much about. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And I received the vaccine in March and April of 2021. Since then, I've experienced a pretty drastic responses from the vaccine. Three heart attacks later, a mini stroke, a diagnosis with POTS. Postular orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. I just recently got diagnosed with mitral valve prolapse. And on top of that, I have severe asthma as well of, as well as pending neurological. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How, and if you don't answer any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering, but how old were you when you first joined the military? And what medical issues did you have prior to getting the shot? And which [00:03:00] shot did you get? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I was 21 years old when I joined the military, had just turned 21, and I... Specialist Karolina Stancik: Oh no! What was the other question? I'm so sorry. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's okay. I know it's okay, there's a lot of questions. Which shot did you get, and what medical issues did you have prior to joining the military? Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I actually got the Moderna vaccine one and two. So both of those were attributed. Both of those contributed to my medical conditions. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I've never had any medical conditions leading up to that. I was playing five sports year round. Between basketball, soccer, swim, softball, cross country, things like that, and never seen the inside of a hospital, don't know much about the medical field leading up to that point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. You're like most young people that join, and join when they're young. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Most are very healthy, and no medical issues, but then life changed, and you said it was in March when it, when life significantly [00:04:00] started changing for you, is that right? Correct. So take me down that road. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So when I first got the vaccine in the first 24 hours, I had a headache. I had sinus infection symptoms, stuffy nose, pressure in my face and my head. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I was a little bit dizzy. And that was pretty typical, like the shortness of breath. That's pretty much how the sinus infection symptoms go. I was told to not report to drill the next day because of my symptoms appearing as COVID, right? That was normal symptoms for the COVID vaccine that I was told. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Second vaccine when I got it in April of 2021, I had experienced all of that, but on top of that dizziness, high heart rate, pins and needle feelings throughout my whole body pretty much feels like a tattoo throughout your whole body. And I also was experiencing my first fever my whole life. Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, so to help parallel our stories, because our stories do come together even though we've never [00:05:00] met before. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: At this time, I'm in Alaska, and I'm consenting my patients. Usually it's beneficiaries and talking to the spouses, saying, Hey, what do you, what are you willing to accept? So you're read on a list if your spouse doesn't get this, okay. And I would tell them these are the potential concerns that I have is the ingredients in Pfizer and in Moderna are these lipid nanoparticles. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you look at the material safety data sheets on them, they're not valid for human use. They're not valid for, validated for veterinary use. And so I would like to believe that many of my patients ended up not getting it because of that counseling that I got. But it seems that you never got any counseling like that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No physician ever spoke to you about the realities of this. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Not at all. I was working at the hospital in a surgical center at the time when I received the vaccine. That's not who administered it, right? I got sent to Fort Pickett, Virginia to go get the vaccine. But at the time when I was working during the week, I was in [00:06:00] that surgical department and I would see the news with different updates and they would talk about the J and J with the blood clots or whatever it was. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They would say it was rare, but it was. Something that they had seen, and I was never informed of any of that for Moderna or Pfizer, but those were none of the things that were being broadcast at the time. And the medical providers that had spoken to us, if there were even truly medical providers, had definitely not disclosed any of that information. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Did you remember any of the counseling that you received by the physician beforehand? Is it just yeah, it'll help you. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They told us that we would have a sore arm, potentially some COVID symptoms. And that was that. And, oh, and on top of that so they made us wait 20 minutes after. You didn't have any symptoms within 20 minutes, then you were free to go. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And did they, they counsel you at all about, potential risk of being pregnant, and how you should not take this [00:07:00] if you're pregnant or be, trying to become pregnant or any, breastfeeding or anything like that? Specialist Karolina Stancik: Nothing at all. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And I want to remind all the listeners that... Specialist Karolina Stancik: Honestly, that wouldn't even have crossed my mind. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, typically young... It's... That's not something, but as a physician, that is something that needs to be discussed. Especially when all of the tests we now have learned specifically excluded pregnant and breastfeeding women. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In fact, went so far as to say it told the men who were in the study to not get your partner pregnant until at least 60 days after your last shot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I remember hearing that, but not through any of the providers that I had spoken to directly. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All that information was hidden and covered at the time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It didn't come out till sometime later. I believe it was in 2022 when that information finally came out. Yep. But doctors didn't care. They didn't care to ask. They were just like everybody gets it. Even if you've had anaphylaxis to it in the past, we'll have an EpiPen ready. I've actually heard that from an, from someone who knows a allergist.[00:08:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. Not much to say to that one. That's terrible. Yeah. Okay. So let's keep going down that road. So you got the first shot and then you had some issues and then the second shot, was there more issues at that point? Specialist Karolina Stancik: There was more issues at that point. So I had already discussed the fever that I had never experienced until that day. Specialist Karolina Stancik: It was pretty much all night and I was in bed for about four days. And I was just told these are uncommon, it's uncommon that you are experiencing this much or this many symptoms this soon. But they had said it's possible, right? And so I was given ibuprofen, things like that. And I just took that, went home, slept, and prayed that things got better. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Give it about a month, and then I was in basic training, and my health had just completely done a 180. It went from, cold symptoms, sinus infection symptoms, back to, a severe cold and trouble breathing. It progressed over the next eight weeks and turned into [00:09:00] what they thought was bronchitis. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And I was prescribed multiple medications, inhalers, and was experiencing really bad dizziness, coughing up blood, high heart rate, all those things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Coughing blood. Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And where'd you do basic at? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I was at Portland, Irwood. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. And did they take care, , did they take care of your medical issues, and did they take them seriously, or did, because you were private did they oh, whatever, this is just sick call, it's no big deal? Specialist Karolina Stancik: Sick Hall, no big deal, didn't do any real testing on me, and just pretty much handed me medication, said go back to your company. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I did, and I was told, obviously if you go to Sick Hall, you have to be wise of when you do it, otherwise you're not going to graduate basic, and at that point, everyone's just trying to get through basic, because who wants to get recycled? Specialist Karolina Stancik: No one. Okay. And. And this interview I'm doing with you is going to be published just after another interview I did with another [00:10:00] service member, and he's a senior Sergeant First Class who had some issues with his chain of command and then requesting HIPAA information from him. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And so if you've had any experience of why are you going to the doctor? What is the diagnosis that's taking you to the doctor? Please mention that too, because that is, seems to be rampant throughout the military, and it's completely illegal. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I definitely had a lot of HIPAA complaints, things like that. One big case that I had experienced was, they took my my name and my information, right? And they supposed, this could be a mistake, it could be... I don't know what was really going on, but it just seemed to be very common for my eight months in Fort Huachuca that they had mixed me up with another girl at a completely different company and were calling her with my medical information and leaving her voicemails about my Holter monitor results sending my Holter monitor to different locations, things like that. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And they were talking about, Hey, you need these procedures, these [00:11:00] appointments. And then also I found out from my platoon that they were discussing my appointments with my platoon. As to why they could or could not have me go to those appointments. And so my platoon versus my drill sergeants were coming to me and telling me, Hey, stanzak, your things are getting canceled. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Or, hey, this is what they told us. And then I would go down to the drill sergeant office and ask them, Hey, what's going on, right? Give them a chance to say it for themselves. And I would get completely different answers. And then I would call the next day. For instance, I called the next day to Fort Bliss, Texas, where I was receiving care. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And asked them what's going on. I need a phone recording. I need something to verify what is going on. And they said that your appointments got canceled. On literally bold faced lies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And just so the listener knows, the only one who's allowed to speak to the doctor, to the physician, is the company commander or a commander who is designated a commander. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not the first sergeant, [00:12:00] not the drill sergeant. And even then, the physician is not allowed to spill specific HIPAA information. Let's say you saw me as a patient because I was the medical director for a period of time while you were there, and unfortunately I had no idea that the situation with you was going on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But let's say your commander needed to talk to me, I would say yes, you're having some serious medical issues, and Consider you out of training until further notice or consider you just excuse you for all of your appointments if you don't need to be completely removed from training. But I cannot say the diagnosis. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I can't say, the specifics only how it affects the mission. And with the last interview I did, his master sergeant was requesting specific diagnoses, which is completely inappropriate, Specialist Karolina Stancik: right? And I think on top of that, the other issue is that, obviously. Things happen, miscommunication happens, and things get lost in translation, right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: But, to a certain extent, how much grace can you give? [00:13:00] Because, my appointments are getting cancelled, but they have to be verified by date of birth, and social security number, and by my name. So who is providing that information, right? And they're literally putting out my information to whoever, by whoever. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Without my consent. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the two identifiers, name and date of birth of the patient, they're not given by the medical provider. I don't call you and go, Hey, is this so and so with your date of birth of such and such? I say verify. Yeah, can you tell me your date of birth? Okay, now I've verified it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so that clearly wasn't done, or your health information was being put into the wrong patient chart. Because how else would they look you up and find the wrong number? Specialist Karolina Stancik: And the other thing that had happened, right? So I did my own investigation because they told me I had 2 years to use that phone recording. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I decided to call back probably 2 months ago. I called Fort Bliss, Texas. I asked them about, hey, I want to pull up this phone recording by this [00:14:00] person. This person is who I spoke to a it was like the lead. Of appointment lines. I don't really know her position, but basically the head of it. So I gave her name and they said, Oh, actually she doesn't work here anymore. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And so I was like, okay, so can I still get that phone recording? And they were like, no, there's nothing we can do about it. And I said per her, and this is her phone number. This is her position, right? This is what she told me. I have two years to use this phone recording. And they said we can pull up this and this. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So those things were that they could pull up when my appointments were made. What appointments I attended and when I was there, right? And so I said, okay, pull up any appointments that you guys have scheduled for me. Pull up when I attended those appointments and any cancellations. And the appointments that had been scheduled for me, which I had emails verifying those scheduled appointments, all of a sudden didn't exist in their database. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And then on top of that, there was appointments that were supposedly made. That a provider I will be careful of saying [00:15:00] their name, but a provider at Fort Huachuca who actually signed me in and said that I was there in Texas. And I was actually in Arizona at 5 45 in the morning. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I just want to caution you, let's not use any names to avoid any lawsuits, but there are times where I will suggest and you and I spoke prior to this, that there is a nurse and again, let's refrain from using names who I believe you need to figure out where she has a license and put a complaint against her license. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And okay. So that's what's going on now. So at some point you eventually moved to Fort Huachuca. Is that right? What point do you, what point did you move to Fort Huachuca? Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I was in Fort Huachuca, August of 2021. Okay. And just for that month, I left end of February, 2022. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Yeah. I was medical director from July to September. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. They removed me that quickly. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Just overlapped. [00:16:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And during your short stay at Fort Huachuca Now, I remember you telling me a story of you went to sick call because you were having some issues. Can you tell that story? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I did. So I went to sick call September. I want to say was within three weeks of being there. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I was still undergoing the medications and the treatment plan that Fort Leonard Wood had given me right before I graduated basic training. So I went to Fort Huachuca, things got worse. I was taking my physical fitness test. I was blacking out. I was dizzy. I was dealing with Throwing up. Not throwing up, but coughing up blood again, and it felt like what was, a lot of chest pain, right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: So felt like palpitations, things like that. I didn't really think of what I was experiencing. I just knew what it felt like and that I probably should report it because it was getting worse. So I went to sickle almost, I want to say in like the first three months that I was there, I went at least three times a week. Specialist Karolina Stancik: either reporting symptoms or they would give me appointments and things like [00:17:00] that to follow up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so let me give a little insight into someone showing up to sick call three times a week. Cause you would think, wow the normal thought should be, wow, this person is ill and they haven't been treated appropriately. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's why they keep coming back. That's what you should think. And that's what everyone in the world should think. But unfortunately, in reality when someone shows up to sick call, they get this there's this idea It's always around that, oh, this person's showing up, they must be trying to get out of training. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They must be a dirtbag, right? Yeah. There's no way they could have serious medical issues that never went unresolved, and that's why they keep coming back. Even though that's the reality of the situation. When I was in residency, I learned, if someone comes to the ER, treat them. If you can't find any reason to treat them, then okay, then get them out the door and get them set up with an appointment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If they come back again... You missed something. Something is wrong with this patient and you need to be careful that they don't die. You gotta figure this out. And if you can't figure it out, and let's say they come back a third time, give it to a different [00:18:00] doctor who has clear eyes that can see what could be the problem. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you were going three times a week. Now, sick call is not exactly the emergency room, but it's as close as you can get without having to be driven off by an ambulance. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah. I was getting seen obviously three times a week. They were making appointments for me and it pretty much was just the same old this, what you're experiencing. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So they would give me a profile, for chest pain or they diagnosed this, what they put on my profile was asthma. And I had not had any sort of. formal diagnosis for asthma. They had also put on my profile, I had a rib injury, aka fractured ribs from coughing so much. And I had not had any scans done. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So there's these big claims being made that are not technically true. And I'm getting treated as basically I'm incapable of performing duties. But they were not even sitting there and testing everything under the sun. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Like it's [00:19:00] fraud to put in diagnoses that haven't been verified. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And so there was one point where you came in and was it due to chest pain or was it a different symptom? And then this particular nurse told you to look around. Go ahead and share that story if you can. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Oh, so not even a nurse service member. She had told me to come. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That captain is a nurse that captain is a registered nurse. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes. Oh, good. Okay. So I suggest you find her information, figure out where she's licensed and put a complaint against her license for this story that you're about to tell. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Awesome. Okay. So for about two and a half weeks, I was experiencing what felt like a balloon in my chest, right? And it would. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Expand, push up against my sternum, cause severe pain, and then it would slowly deflate. That's the sensation I was getting. You could call that a palpitation. That's pretty much what I was experiencing, but I didn't really ever know what that felt like [00:20:00] before. And so that's just the closest I could come up with. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I went into the clinic actually three times in one day. So I went earlier than I was supposed to because they said, Hey, you're having chest pain. Go to the clinic for sick call. So I go to sick hall. That's at 5 in the morning, right? I'm missing PT for this. I go to sick hall. I said, Hey, I have chest pain. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They were like, okay, come back. You already have an appointment. And then someone else said, no, actually, we're going to move your appointment earlier. So I go back in. I walk into the door and this individual, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Can I pause you for a second that you're going to a clinic for chest pain in your chest, and they're sending you to a clinic appointment and scheduling you for an appointment later that day. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That is mind boggling because if I were to ever hear, Oh, you have chest pain? Let's call the ambulance. Let's get you to the ER to make sure it's not something life threatening. And then once we know that it's not life threatening, then we'll have you in the clinic later today. And if you go to the emergency room and it is life threatening, don't worry, we'll cancel your [00:21:00] appointment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We'll get you back in whenever you get released from the hospital. But that's not what they did. We're going to schedule an appointment for your chest pain. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I went in for my appointment and this individual, obviously registered nurse decides to tell me, Hey, why are you here? And I said for chest pain. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And she says, look around. I look around the waiting room and she says, we look busy, don't we? And I said, yes, ma'am. Obviously respecting rank. And she goes, come back another day. And I was like, Yes, ma'am. So I turned around went back to the barracks told my drill sergeant and I said, hey, you know I don't know what to do I'm experiencing this and they had been tracking my situation at that point right drill surgeons are only gonna have so much room to work with and They had suggested which the first time this was ever brought to my attention that you can call a register Oh, the nurse hotline right and they tell you where to go And so nurse hotline was like you need to go to the ER like now so [00:22:00] I went and that was heart attack number one. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Very I don't even, it was like very uneventful. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I can't stress this enough that you were having chest pain. That's one of the big red flags of, hello, symptom, problem needs to be addressed immediately. They scheduled an appointment for you after hearing you had chest pain. Then a registered nurse who is also a captain. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Again, you must you must put a complaint against your license. Yeah. Said, look around, it's busy, why don't you go back to training. When you were there for your scheduled appointment for chest pain, wow! If I knew any of this was going on, I would've, oh, heads, oh, it would've been bad. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah. I'm new to the medical community at this point, right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: This is the first time I've really seen medical field and like what it entails. I'm not expecting to hear at 21 years old that, hey, you had a heart attack, whether it's minor or not, right? It's still damage to the heart. [00:23:00] And so at this point, I'm 21, right? So I'm just like, oh my God, what is happening? And they gave me, wait for it, aspirin and pain medication. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Did you stay in the hospital? Specialist Karolina Stancik: Probably eight hours. And then they released me, and I was on bed rest for two days. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And being a lay person, not a medical professional, I would expect you to have no idea that chest pain is such a big deal. That's not your responsibility. That's the nurse's responsibility. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's the medic's responsibility. That's the doctor's responsibility to, To go, Oh, you're complaining of chest pain. Let's get you to the emergency room. Not to a scheduled clinic appointment that ends up getting cancelled because some nurse suggests that you should leave. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And I laugh about it now because I'm like, honestly, looking back, you couldn't get any dumber in decision making. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It was [00:24:00] completely selfish decision making. It's, there's too much work to be done today. And I'd rather you go home and not deal with it. I don't care what happens to you as a person. You could drop dead because it's chest pain. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I don't really care. I just want to do less work. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And the fact that appointment would not have been documented specifically for chest pain, right? Once I get seen by a provider, they put that in their notes. But if I don't even see a provider, no one's putting that in their notes to say, Hey, we have we understand where this soldier is. Specialist Karolina Stancik: We know where the soldier is because of chest pain, blah, blah, blah. They got sent to the ER, all that. There's probably no record in that system that says that I went there that day for chest pain, other than what papers I have. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it because if you didn't, even if you had a scheduled appointment, if it didn't say for chest pain and they cancel it, it's gone forever. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Wow. Okay, so let's keep going down the road of what happened. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I got diagnosed late October, so that was October 18th, specifically. I [00:25:00] got diagnosed with asthma without any proper diagnosis, right? They put that on my profile, that chest pain is being caused by asthma, shortness of breath is being caused by asthma, whatever. Specialist Karolina Stancik: That's a different provider at the exact same clinic who is putting all these statements in. November comes around. Yeah. November comes around and they said, if you want to see a pulmonologist and mind you, I've probably been in that clinic about 11, 12 times in a month. So I'm doing my followups and I'm requesting providers different providers. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And. They tell me, Hey, you need a pulmonologist, right? For breathing issues. So I'm like, okay, I call every pulmonologist that I was allowed to write within the TRICARE system. That would be covered. They said I wasn't going to get seen until that May. So we're October to May. That's about eight months. Wow. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Eight months waiting to find some sort of help for breathing. Okay. So [00:26:00] if it's a life altering condition, why are we waiting eight months? I don't know. They told me because of COVID. So I was like, there's got to be another way. My godfather, retired Lieutenant Colonel, he. Got on the phone with me and he was like no. Specialist Karolina Stancik: There's a bigger medical facility in Texas. It's called Fort bliss. And he was like, you need to push for that. So went back to the clinic. I said, you guys like, is there anything else? Can I go to, Fort bliss? Can I go to what's the one in DC? I forget what it's called. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Walter Reed there's a BAMC in San Antonio, which is a massive medical center. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In fact, what's insane about this is during this time, maybe just before this happened, because I was suspended on 13 September of 21 probably early August, I was talking to my nursing staff about A spouse of a service member who was recently diagnosed with MS and couldn't see a neurologist shortly after receiving Moderna. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Never had any problems with [00:27:00] MS prior to Moderna, got Moderna, had a flare of MS. Couldn't be seen by any neurologist in the state for about 8 months or so. And so they put in a request for medical TDY. Which is, you get moved to a new location just for medical reasons. They should have done that for you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You shouldn't even have to me, but yeah. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I had to go through another training. I had to, in the letter I wrote to my commander, right? This is the second company I was with. I requested, I was like, Anything for me to get better medical attention and my symptoms to get better. I will take it at this point. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I give them three options. I said, I've done my research. I understand your position and the power you have. I understand my rank and the power I probably don't really have but this is what I do now. And I gave them three options and I said i'm willing to do any of these three options. They moved me to Virginia to complete a second training so I [00:28:00] could receive medical care. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But that's the thing is they can move you to a different medical facility Just to receive medical care like in San Antonio Specialist Karolina Stancik: refused to do it My godfather called battalion commander and asked about it and they were like it's not happening Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow So like in San Antonio, they actually have housing for service members because they know people go there and stay there while they're being treated So they actually have specific housing just for certain It's very nice housing just for service members to be treated at the hospital. Specialist Karolina Stancik: You know what the nurse case manager told me We only do that for people that have the s like the issues as severe as cancer. So they said if you don't have cancer, you're not dying right now. That's not gonna happen. Heart attacks told. Yeah. So the 21 year old, they told me that. They said they flew someone there. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They told me they flew someone there with cancer and I was like, okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Which by the way is on the rise since people who have been receiving these [00:29:00] shots. Okay. So you ended up get moving, moved to Virginia, is that right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I got moved to Virginia. Yep. Fort Lee. Right where it all started. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And you received treatment there? Yeah. Okay. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yep, at the Naval Medical Center. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. And did that treatment help? Treatment. Did they only treat your lungs, or did they refuse to admit that it could possibly be the shot, and most likely the shot? Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I mean with I want to say I was in the hospital about six or seven times in my time in Arizona, right? So that's a lot of hospital visits. I was then also taken to the hospital again in Virginia I was only there for two two and a half months. So Almost a hospital visit every month. They didn't really treat anything other than my asthma and they had put me on all these inhalers and medications and what not. Specialist Karolina Stancik: But everything was like, oh we're going to run this test and we're going to run that test. We're going to do this blood work and we're going to do that blood work. [00:30:00] But nothing was definite on what kind of treatment plan they wanted to have me on. I had still yet to see a cardiologist. So mind you, this is two heart attacks later. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And I still have never ever seen a cardiologist until April. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It just boggles my mind, because if they say you had a heart attack, that means they drew troponins, which is a blood lab that shows if there's heart damage. And if you have positive troponins, then you've had a heart attack. And it's not a lung issue. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There could be a concomitant lung issue, like both happening at the same time. But if you have positive troponins, you have had a heart attack. And you need to see a cardiologist. Wow. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah. Like time now, . Yeah, so I was in with Fort Lee, Virginia waiting, obviously to get seen by a cardiologist. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I saw a pulmonologist, I got a echocardiogram done while I was at the Naval Medical Center. And they had me doing a workup with the allergy clinic as well, because apparently [00:31:00] I was allergic to everything under the sun. That was something new to me as well. That was like the least of my concerns, but obviously that with your breathing is not a good situation. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So they were concerned about that, but I left there. I got released from active duty to be precise. I got released from active duty and they said, if we don't tell you anything, then you're good to go. And at this point, I knew what I was supposed to, I knew what was supposed to happen, right? I knew they weren't supposed to release me from active duty with all these medical conditions that were either one undiagnosed, right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: And still pending evaluations, or two, they don't have any treatment plan or didn't fix me. At this point, I'm tired of the medical system within the military. I'm getting pushed around doctor to doctor, state to state, and provider to provider. I was like, enough's enough. I'd rather just go home and figure this out and not do their job for them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what you just mentioned is Which, which [00:32:00] you did not mention, and I want to bring attention to this also, is the idea of a line of duty. When you're on reserve time and let's say you get injured, you do a parachute jump, and let's say you break your ankle, before you leave that active duty time, you get what they call a line of duty, meaning this injury happened in the line of duty. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they failed you in that sense. They did not give you that line of duty, which means that TRICARE will not continue to pay. And that's what you're experiencing now. Is that correct? Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah. 100%. 70, 000 later. Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you have a give, send, go set up. Is that correct? Yeah. And I'll put the link down below. Yeah, I do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Please consider giving. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So it's crazy because, yeah, I obviously released from active duty without any line of duty. I was sent to my unit and I had, I think it was my third or fourth Holter monitor. I was prescribed. In that time being. [00:33:00] And so I had told my unit, I was like, Hey you guys want us to report for drill this month. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And let's say it was a week or two from that point. And I said, I have a whole term on it or on, I cannot sweat with this thing. Cause it'll come off and they're doing, an evaluation on me. I'm on a profile as well. And what did they tell me? They said, don't come in. You're on a medical eval. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Don't worry about it. Then there was paperwork I had to do just as a reservist, whatever, in processing that I needed to do to go to my next unit. From your initial unit to your your home unit, right? I guess you could call it. They were supposed to do paperwork with me. I went in, like I was told to, and the sergeant there had no idea that I was supposed to be there. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And what did I do for eight hours that day? I built bikes. They had me build bikes. I didn't fill out a single ounce of paperwork. Then I emailed them, I called them, and everything for months on end, and didn't receive any sort of [00:34:00] notification back as to what was going on. So October rolls around, right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: This is April to October. Count the months on that one. No sort of news. I had no idea. And I was like, I'm gonna go to Florida because that's where my family is. That's where the best medical care is. And at this point, I'm on my own. They've literally abandoned me at this point. Wow. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And the bills were pouring in from active duty as well. I was getting billed for active duty time as well. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this is an issue I ran into early when I first got out of residency is when I was in Oklahoma, there was, let's say a private who went to see a doctor for whatever reason in the civilian world and was supposed to be completely covered by TRICARE. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the contract between the doctor and TRICARE is if you bill TRICARE, you do not bill the patient. Because TRICARE covers it. And the patient was coming to me, concerned, because they had a 5, 000 bill.[00:35:00] That's illegal for them to do that. It's not legal for the doctor to charge TRICARE and charge the patient. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's medical fraud. And, I talked to our billing department at our hospital and they fixed that issue. But you should not be receiving bills if they billed TRICARE. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I honestly, I was shocked. I was like, oh, $800 here, $2,500 here for blood work. I was like, oh, they're charging me for the CT scans that the Army sent me to go get. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I was like, that's insane. And then I call, and they said if you don't hear anything back then it's gonna be this much money. And oh yeah, wait for this number, 35,000 plus dollars for me to cover. And I was like, that's not even the amount included into what I had said about $70,000. I believe that amount had gotten, that 35, 000 had been wiped out. Specialist Karolina Stancik: But at that point there's still multiple thousands of dollars and all the thousands and thousands of dollars from hospital visits I've had since then. [00:36:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And eventually what they'll do is they'll send you a couple notices, then you'll put you in collections and they'll destroy your credit. Specialist Karolina Stancik: If that didn't already happen, say that with a grain of salt because it's starting to happen. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I want to encourage the listeners, please go take a look at her gifts and go, the link is down below and give whatever you can to help her. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So it's been quite the uphill battle. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so now you're in Florida. Is that correct? I am in Florida. Yep. Okay. And receiving treatments, are things getting better or are they about the same? Specialist Karolina Stancik: Things seem to be getting better, but it's if it's not one thing, it's another, right? And so I'm trying to go the holistic route, because at this point, Western medicine has completely failed. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They just keep prescribing, and they tell me, we see something on the scanner. We see whatever it is, right? So they saw something wrong with my spine, something that they could do surgery on. And I guess because I'm 23, they [00:37:00] don't care to do it. They wanted to give me an antidepressant used as a anti nerve pain agent. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They gave that to me and it completely sent my heart into an arrhythmia. Was having it pause for seconds on end. And on top of that, I was waking up at 180 heart rate, just opening my eyes. That was probably a month ago. I was seen in urgent care in May for another heart attack. So that's number three. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And it's just there's, there was a seven month period where I was out of the hospitals and I was okay. And then obviously. You don't know until it happens. And then there's like really big spikes and when those spikes and flares happen, it's just terrible. But I don't wanna keep going back to the doctor. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So there's, someone's gotta cut some slack at some point. . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And I would encourage you if you haven't already if you're still willing to give Western medicine a try look at F L C and see if you can find a doctor that's been trained in how to treat vaccine injury patients. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: 'cause they did a whole convention [00:38:00] in Fort Worth at the beginning part of this year. I attended it, and there's many doctors there, and there's probably many of them in Florida that would be able to treat you for the issues that you're going through. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah I guess I would have to go and look at those doctors, right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I'm talking about like modern day Western medicine where the doctors are there for like ego, or whatever, or the clout, I guess to say that, Hey, yeah, I'm a doctor. Yeah. I'm a cardiologist in the Tampa region or yeah, I'm a neurologist and whatever. And the neurologist passes me off to the PA who completely butchers a skin biopsy. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So I'm on a blood thinner because I have clotting now from all of this. Crap. And I'm on a blood thinner too, actually. So one was Eloquist. And if you know anything about Eloquist, usually old people are on that, but they put me on that as a preventative measure on top of an adult aspirin every day. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I made sure that the neurologist was aware of that. That was documented that I was in there. They put that in [00:39:00] their records. Day of the skin biopsy, right? They didn't tell me to ever get off of it. They said, oh, you're not on that much of a blood thinner. So it won't be an issue. It's just three small incisions in your leg. Specialist Karolina Stancik: In my leg. So I have POTS. All the blood stays in my legs to begin with. Why I black out all the time. Doesn't take a doctor to know this. Going for the biopsy. And I was like, just a reminder, I am on blood thinners. In case you guys are not prepared for that. Oh yeah. That's fine. It won't be that big of an issue. Specialist Karolina Stancik: We'll just put pressure on it. I go back and they had documented before they met with me that day that we confirmed with the patient she is not on blood thinners. And let me tell you, I bled for four days after. Four days. Within three minutes, I was back in their office I'm dripping blood down my leg, you guys need to fix this. Specialist Karolina Stancik: It was taking I was taping and gauzing my leg in three different locations for four days, [00:40:00] and it's still not healed, and it was like three weeks ago. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I would not, personally, I would have sent you to someone else to do that biopsy, if it needed to be done with that kind of medication on board. And there's no reversal agents for Eliquis. Which is why it's not such a great thing for young people, because if you bang your head, you get in a car wreck, we can't reverse it. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Exactly. That's the stuff that I'm experiencing, and I don't know what it is with the medical community. And at this point, I don't think that it's just me going through this, right? This may be flaws across the board, where there's just carelessness, recklessness, I don't know. These providers are not taking it seriously. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And they look at me, they're like, you're 23, there's nothing we can do for you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And one thing that you have to understand, looking at it from the other side, is these people have an idol. And that idol is the shot. And quote, science. The science, as they say. And to [00:41:00] insult the science is to insult them specifically, as Fauci had said. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And what you're doing is you're poking holes in their belief system. And just the mere presence of you being there and being injured by this shot is poking holes in their belief system. And now this may not be every doctor that you've seen, but this is the driving force as to why it would seem like these doctors are acting like complete idiots. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And not doing what's appropriate why nurses are sending you home, or sending you back to training when you're there for chest pain. Poking holes in their God Dr. Sam Sigoloff: sounds about right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what are the next steps for you Specialist Karolina Stancik: next steps? Trying to go integrative medicine, trying to go holistic route. Just treat my body from like the core at this point. A lot of rest. I've been focusing on my sleep schedule, things like that, natural remedies, infrared saunas, laser therapy. [00:42:00] That's pretty much the route. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I've been going IV therapy. There was a doctor who put me on IV therapy and I've noticed a big change in it. Positive impact. It's made on me personally speaking. And obviously I've been speaking out as well. So that's what I'm looking at, but. Everything's up in the air now fighting the VA as well. Specialist Karolina Stancik: So yeah, it's been a crazy couple of years and I know it's going to be a crazier year and a half. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. One thing that I want to stress is that this is your story and this is happening to you, but this is not, unfortunately, this is not a unique story. This happens to many people who are unwilling to don't have the means to speak about it or don't have the means to be able to get treatment. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so I want to encourage you to keep speaking about this as you are a leader now. People will turn to you and look for courage and strength that, Oh, maybe it was the shot that hurt me. Oh, I need to keep speaking out so that I can receive the treatment that I need. And then... As that continues, you will still continue to be a [00:43:00] leader, Specialist Karolina Stancik: right? Specialist Karolina Stancik: And I guess it's also that if people don't understand what was the only difference in their life, where they went from 100% healthy, I was able to run a 10 miler every single week. And that was what I was doing. I was like, just my physical training. And that's the physical capabilities I had, I was doing that every single week. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And. Going from that to sitting there and being like, standing up is really difficult, right? Because I'm blacking out or even the depression that it's associated with to get up out of bed and go take a shower or Go to the gym step foot out of your door is like a big task now, right? And I know i'm not the only one experiencing that and so people need to start opening their eyes to What is the only thing that changed? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I didn't do anything different except that Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and that's exactly what Dr. Chambers, Dr. Long, and I tried to show when we released the DMED data, the Defense Military Epidemiologic Database, that showed [00:44:00] horrible injuries to the fighting force, because it was only of the active duty military population, and it showed increase in blood pressure, increase in clots, increase in testicular cancer, ovarian cancer, heart attacks, strokes, all of these issues. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we never made the claim that the shot caused it. We made the claim that nothing else changed other than the shot and we need to take a knee and immediately stop the vaccination, which they're not even vaccines. Stop the shot process. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah. Stop the shot, please. So I got a text message. This is just for a story. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I got a text message about three days ago, right? And this is after we found out every single possible negative thing that this shot has done to anyone from ages. Infants to old people, especially the younger generation. And there's a survey, or I guess you could say a what are they? [00:45:00] It's like an experiment or a trial. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah, it would be a trial that these parents would sign up for if your kid is one and under, one years old and under, basically a newborn to go and get their kid a shot for 1, 200. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Wow. That's so sick and disgusting. That's only 1, 200 that goes in the parent's, yeah, that's 1, 200 that goes in the parent's pocket. And we see what shots and vaccines have done to kids with like autism rates and different disorders, physical, neurological, psychological disorders that have taken place over the years and have become more and more common. Specialist Karolina Stancik: That's so much money. That they're putting back in their own pocket. So yeah, I'm sure 1, 200 is worth it. If you're making millions off of one kid dying at such a young age. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And who in their right mind would allow their child to be experimented upon like that? Man, that's mind blowing. People that are Specialist Karolina Stancik: Desperate for money. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Imagine anyone that has [00:46:00] two brain. Okay. I don't want to say it like that, but anyone that has done the research, right? Anyone that has done their research and understands what. These types of groups that want money and are money hungry, anyone that understands that will sit there and be like, something's wrong with this situation. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Why are they paying us to inject our kid with something that we're not even sure is healthy for our kid? Why? Our children should not be experiments. Yeah. And then on top of that, we have this other this influx in people with pulmonary issues, post vaccine, right? And post COVID, whatever, long haul COVID and post vaccine injury, they're coming into the pulmonary clinics for testing. Specialist Karolina Stancik: And they're getting pulmonary function tests. And I was in there because this most recent hospitalization and I'm seeing the pulmonologist, the doctor himself. His guy that does the testing is actually contracted with the DOD. He comes in and he goes, Hey, so we have a [00:47:00] pregnant woman over there. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Is it safe for us to do a pulmonary function test on her? Given that she's two months pregnant, he's, obviously, because she's two months pregnant, worried about the baby they're giving the mother albuterol as treatment to see how much it, it's affecting her. They might do a methylcholine challenge test, whatever it may be, and he goes, that's basically not pregnant. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Why does it matter? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow, I Specialist Karolina Stancik: was like, oh, my gosh. Yes. If you don't care about the smallest things, you will never ever care about people as a whole. You really won't. People are just heartless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's one of the things that's come out of COVID and in a strange way, it's a good thing that we can see how heartless and how evil so many doctors have been and even nurses who have told patients with chest pain, having heart attacks to go home, go back to training. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. How heartless can you be? How uncaring? [00:48:00] And. And in my opinion, not needing to continue to be a nurse, and that's why I want to strongly encourage you to go report that behavior to that nursing board wherever she has a nurse, nursing license, because that is completely unacceptable. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Yeah, I guess after this, I'm going to ask you a couple of questions regarding that and see how I can navigate that route. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Sure. I don't want to say it on air. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. Yeah, we'll talk after. Awesome. And I want to encourage the listeners, if you haven't gone back and listened to my episode 33, please go back and listen to episode 33. What I do in that episode is I use all public source documentation to show you how I believe that the shot itself, not the video. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not the illness, but the shot itself is a bioweapon developed in part by China. And I took that information as soon as I stumbled across it, I took it to the garrison commander of Fort Huachuca and I got some crazy looks and he said you may be right, but you got to keep fighting that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: outside of the [00:49:00] military and the reason I brought that to his attention is if only 1% of what I postulate is correct, 1% of it correct, not a 1% chance of it being correct, even a 1% chance of it being correct, everything needs to be stopped immediately and no one in the United States should be allowed to even get it, even if they wanted to, they shouldn't be allowed to have it. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Florida is trying to ban it completely, make it a crime. I know there was a couple other states in the Midwest that had banned it completely, made it a misdemeanor, felony, whatever it was, I forget. But, yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I've got some connections to people in Florida, and I was trying to get my affidavit, which is basically my medical exemption to some of those leadership in Florida. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because what I state in there is that the three lipid nanoparticles in Pfizer, if you look at the material safety data sheets on those, it says that they're not validated for human use and not for veterinary use. And it specifically says, I saw that, if there is... If there's any injury caused by these, it's not on us, the [00:50:00] manufacturer, it's on the experimenter who's using this. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we're injecting it into people. It's just mind blowing. Yeah. Specialist Karolina Stancik: There's not much, yeah. I don't know where this country is going, or where medical community is going. They said that, the love of money is the root of all evil. And that's so clear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, if you don't want to go down this next road just stop me, but how was, how has this affected your spiritual life? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you want to talk about that, if you don't, I understand. It's a very private thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Honestly, Specialist Karolina Stancik: it's positively impacted it because it just, it's very clear the parallel. There's not even really a parallel, right? There's like a crossroad of, do you have faith or are you going to rely on people and people will fail you all the time? Specialist Karolina Stancik: So something else has to carry you through this, obviously it's why me and why did, bad things happen to good people and that's been like a big [00:51:00] struggle with me. But if I didn't go through it, someone else would have to go through it. And would they be able to fight the fight? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I don't think so because in the end of the day, right? Like I talked to a cardiologist about this. I was like, if I died in my sleep, it would end all the pain, all the suffering, things like that. And that was, probably about eight months ago. I was saying that. But there's a reason why I'm here and going through what I'm going through and I have to acknowledge that, accept it, and just keep fighting. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Someone else needs me to fight it for them, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: because there's, unfortunately your story is not unique. There are many service members, even generals, who have received the shot. I know of one general in particular who was a Marine general, and he's allegedly a war fighting general, like a man who would kick down doors, and his right hand became dysfunctional to where he can't even pull the trigger. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so he had to be discharged. Specialist Karolina Stancik: That's so sad. And... Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And... It's like we need those service members who have been discharged to get the bravery to speak out as you are [00:52:00] Specialist Karolina Stancik: right, and I think obviously there's a There is a standard and a stigma right there's a standard for service members to basically uphold a certain extent of Obeying the law, but then at the same time are you going to stand up for freedom? Specialist Karolina Stancik: That's what you're fighting for, right? You're going to fight for that. And I didn't know when I joined the service that this was going to be my fight and whether it's domestic or it's foreign, I'm still fighting something. This just happens to be domestic and people, they really don't know what to do. Specialist Karolina Stancik: They're afraid, who's going to look at me, who's going to come after me, who's going to sue me this at the other thing. And it's honestly, at this point, I'm not afraid of all that other. BS that could happen, right? My unit calls me they're like, yeah, we know what you've been doing. We know you've been online We know you've been talking about all of this stuff and I was like, okay, that's good What are they gonna do about it? Specialist Karolina Stancik: I've already signed like protection acts. There's not much they're gonna do Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, and that's why the name of the [00:53:00] show is After Hours with Dr. Sigaloff, because I was told, Oh, you can't talk about COVID vaccine or virus during the duty day or in uniform. And so the name of the show is After Hours because it is after hours. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Exactly. And they said, as long as you're in uniform, you can't talk about it. Guess what? I'm never in uniform. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And by the 31st of August, I'll never be in uniform again. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Okay. Yeah. I probably won't be in uniform for a really long time. I have doctors saying that I'm not allowed to report for duty or any of that stuff until further cleared. Specialist Karolina Stancik: I don't think, I don't foresee myself getting cleared anytime soon. So at this point, they can have that one, eat that one up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Karolina, I want to thank you so much for your fight, for your bravery, for your courage. I want to encourage the listeners to pray for you, and if they have it within their funds to go to the GiveSendGo link down below and help contribute to help with your medical bills. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And [00:54:00] if there's any way that I can help you in the future, please let me know. Specialist Karolina Stancik: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, the duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, lets all make courage more contagious than fear.

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That's how committed she was to what she was doing to the point where she actually had me doubting myself. SFC Walter Flores: The Nasreem Flores: return to work slips were no longer satisfactory. She wanted that not. I'm sorry, she didn't want it to originate from an email from my husband. She wanted it directly from the doctor's office. She wanted to correspond with the actual doctor's office on where my husband was, when his appointments were, and if he was actually there. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or [00:01:00] on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Alright, I want to first start off by thanking my Patreon supporters. I have a 20. 20 a month anonymous donor. We have the Plandemic Reprimando tier at 17. 76 with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian, Shell, and Megan. We have a self made 10 level with Kevin and Pat and Bev. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have the Refined Not Burned tier at 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, and Ken. We have Addison Mulder giving 3 a month. We have Frank giving 1. 50 a month. And the Courage is Contagious tier at 1 a month with Amanda, Jay, SpessNasty, Darrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank all of y'all very much for helping support me in this fight against the DOD and against the government. If you... Can't support me there, please give prayers or consider give, send, go. But I want to introduce my next guest. So Sergeant first class [00:02:00] Walter Flores is a man who's been going through some difficult medical issues now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to, I don't want to steal any thunder from you, so I want to give you and your wife the opportunity to first introduce yourself and just take us down this road of what your journey has been for the last few months or year. Yeah, SFC Walter Flores: no, absolutely. First of all, me and my wife want to say thank you before we start on anything. SFC Walter Flores: Thank you for allowing us an opportunity to... Continue to spread the word of what's happened. So from the bottom of the both of our tired hearts We just want to say thank you for this but to continue the Summary, I can start off with and we can just start nitpicking the details Is I was an e7 I am in the active duty e7 and I was Being told through email Text messages and DA form 4856, which are counseling statements by my first line supervisor in E8, Master Sergeant [00:03:00] Eumann. SFC Walter Flores: She was actively preventing me from seeking and going and scheduling any and all medical services. Simply because I would not give her my redacted information regarding help and the services I am getting. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And to make it clear this information she wanted was your HIPAA information, your private health information that she wanted you to divulge to her. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I keep saying her to really emphasize the importance of this because, do you mind sharing your diagnosis? Sharing this diagnosis with, now that you're speaking out about this, and I want to thank you very much for speaking out about this, but just the problem of you sharing your diagnosis with a female who's in charge of you, who it's none of her damn business, it causes a lot of problems. SFC Walter Flores: It causes a lot of problems on so many levels but the most important one being the [00:04:00] She is asking for information that nobody should have other than my wife and me best. And here she is literally wanting to speak directly through the doctor via me as the liaison. Regarding, Hey, where are you going? SFC Walter Flores: Why are you going? And I need a sign. Again, this is all can be supported by documents that I have given to everybody. She, at many occasions, told me to return with a doctor's notes confirming I was there with the date name. And legible name of the doctor, it got to that level of extremes. And again, on a personal level, it was bad on a professional level. SFC Walter Flores: It was even worse because that caused so much internal chaos within the shop. It wasn't just me who was seeing the attacks. [00:05:00] Other people in the shop were coming up to me. Hey man, we're on your side. We're on your side, bro. What she's doing is dirty. I'm like then why it was Frustrating to say the least it is frustrating and my wife Unfortunately had to hear all about it every single time. SFC Walter Flores: I came back from work and with her being retired Military, I'm sorry was medically retired my wife being medically retired. She knew All about HIPAA, the medical services, the medical treatment, or lack thereof. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Give us a, if you don't mind sharing your diagnosis and going down that road. SFC Walter Flores: Yeah, I completely got off topic. I'm sorry about diag Extremely emotional topic. So yeah, I got beer off from time to time. Please brew me back in both of you. So I was diagnosed with testicular cancer once I finally finagled my way into going to an on [00:06:00] posts ultrasound. Normally it takes about three days to hear back from the diagnosis from the appointment. SFC Walter Flores: The results of the diagnosis, the results of the appointment, I was called within 15 minutes. Leaving the office by the urology department, a completely different department in that hospital within 15 minutes of leaving. The ultrasound is telling me, hey, we normally don't call until after three days from the appointment, but because of what we see and what we know, you have cancer. SFC Walter Flores: We need you to come in immediately for surgery. And I got that phone call on a Monday, no Tuesday, I'm sorry, a Tuesday. And on Friday, I was in the operating table to remove my left testicle. Because it had, the cancer, we discovered after the results of the tests, the removed testicles returned, that the cancer [00:07:00] had consumed 97% of the left testicle and confirmed signs of spread. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And so while you're dealing with the diagnosis that, no one should have to deal with, that it's, I can't even begin to fathom what that's like to go through that diagnosis. You've got your. Your leaders, breathing down your throat, asking questions that, one, they're not legally allowed to ask, and two, it's just, it's not polite, it's not kind, it's not from a heart of caring, it's, I gotta know, cause I gotta know. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, you don't need to know. Did I get any of that wrong? SFC Walter Flores: Believe it or not, Bess, please, go ahead. Nasreem Flores: No, you're absolutely correct. It has gotten to the point where Master Sergeant Newman said that sh Nasreem Flores: I'm sorry. She didn't want it to originate from an email from my husband. She wanted it directly from the doctor's office. She wanted to correspond with the actual doctor's office on where my husband was, when his appointments were, and if [00:08:00] he was actually SFC Walter Flores: there. To clarify that, she didn't want me to forward the email I received from my doctor to her. SFC Walter Flores: She wanted the email to be sent directly from the office. After I have given her my redacted information, name, date, time, and location, After I have added her on the Microsoft Outlook calendar, So she doesn't have to finagle through the endless amounts of counseling she's given me, It pops up on her Microsoft Outlook account. SFC Walter Flores: So she has to do nothing after I spoken with the company first sergeant company commander brigade EO rep submitting a formal complaint. She was still demanding as if she was like, I know what you're doing, but it's not going to work. And it didn't work. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is just shocking. [00:09:00] Sorry, I'm just... That someone would do this, and that... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How would she ever expect a doctor to communicate to her? She's not a loved one. She's not... She's not the wife. She's not the mother. She's not a child. There is no relation. As a doctor, I would never communicate with the first sergeant. SFC Walter Flores: Exactly. It's none of her business. Every step of the way. Every step of the way. SFC Walter Flores: And every counseling session that I was in, I told her, you cannot do this. The remarks in my response portion where you cannot do this, explaining to her what she was asking for is wrong every step of the way. And it only fell on deaf ears, which is why it is now at the level where it is like nobody listened. SFC Walter Flores: Okay. Now you have no choice but to listen, except now it's just not going to look as good as I was trying to prevent it from looking like by keeping it at the lowest level. Like we were trained as soldiers,[00:10:00] lowest level. We did that and it failed. How can anybody as a leader preach something and then not. SFC Walter Flores: Utilize it whenever a soldier you have been teaching to reach out to reaches out. It's contradictory, it's counterproductive, it's... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's illegal. And it's reprehensible. SFC Walter Flores: It's illegal. It's reprehensible. And here we are. And she recommended me for Article 15. She didn't threaten, she recommended for Article 15 after a certain point. SFC Walter Flores: And I went to the, I went to the company commander Hey, sir, stop. And at this point, like I was essentially, an everyday visitor in his office because of an everyday counseling. So that specific day with the threatening of the counseling, he was just like, all right, I'm done. You're moving. SFC Walter Flores: You're moving to company. You're working [00:11:00] directly for first sergeant and me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, so let me explain a little something for the listener and the viewer who may not have too much military experience. Is, and I want to make this very clear, I'm not insinuating at all that you're a dirtbag. But what happens is, when someone gets targeted, and they get counseled after counseling for stupid, menial things, pretty soon, see they have these big meetings where the company commander and all their staff are in a room and they're like, Oh, Siglof's up there again? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Siglof's up there again? This is... Four times this month, why is Siglof he must be a dirtbag. Siglof is a dirtbag, and so when you go into the company commander's office, after all these other things have happened behind closed doors, he already thinks, oh, Flores, he's a dirtbag. And so he brought Flores underneath him to keep a close eye on him, because he knows Flores, Flores must be a dirtbag. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Which is not the situation. SFC Walter Flores: And the reason why I am in complete agreeance with my wife endlessly, to the point where I was even doubting myself, I was like, [00:12:00] maybe I am a third bag it was that, she was that committed to her cause had me second guessing, am I being an asshole here by not giving her my doctor's name? SFC Walter Flores: That's how committed she was to what she was doing, to the point where she actually had me doubting myself. And sure enough, again, because my wife medically retired, she went through her own nightmare whenever she went in and I'm a completely different, but even better story regarding the army. She was actually the one who corrected. SFC Walter Flores: Some of my misconceptions regarding medical and medical care, X, Y, and Z. So she has played just as a crucial role in trying to get the word out there. And we're finally glad it did. And here we are. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And Nasreem, tell me your side of all of this as it's going down, as it's happening in real time. Nasreem Flores: It's really unfortunate. Nasreem Flores: My husband was previously at three core. And he was already going to these [00:13:00] appointments. He had already established the medical care. And just, unfortunately, they moved him down to 11 SIG. And that's where it all started. There was honestly no reason for it to have begun because it's not like he got transferred over. Nasreem Flores: And then he just started going to appointments after appointments because he didn't want to be there. It was something that he had already been doing for an established period of time. And it was, in my opinion, an abuse of power. Then that master sergeant, it was an absolute abuse of her power, because if the commander tells you, you are only authorized the date, the time. Nasreem Flores: And what was it? The date, time, and location. You're only authorized to date, time, and location. There's no reason for you to ask who the doctor is. How long are you going to be there? What is the reason for your appointment? Cause if I say, Hey, I'm going, because. My neck hurts on my back hurts. I could sit there for the 20 minutes. Nasreem Flores: It says on the appointment slip, or I [00:14:00] can sit there for an hour because the doctor is behind. You can't give me a, your appointment slip says 20 minutes, and you didn't return. And that was one of the cases that she made. Sergeant First Class left for an appointment at 1130 and didn't come back till 1400. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So as a doctor, so as a doctor, who runs behind, because I don't think I've ever seen a patient on time, and because I know that I run late, I take the time with every single patient to make sure I address almost every issue that I possibly can. And my patients leave happy, even if they're leaving late. I completely understand that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not unreasonable to allow the patient, more time, to allow the soldier more time. And to contrast that what things were you missing at work that was so important? I'm sure it was nothing. I say that very facetiously. Nasreem Flores: My husband didn't even have an actual slot. Nasreem Flores: When they moved him down to 11 signal, he was not slotted. So he was supposed to take over for a soldier who was currently pregnant, I believe. [00:15:00] SFC Walter Flores: Yeah. So I ended up moving from three core G six where I was in charge of essentially other divisions worth of. Communication logistics, so two years there and I was stable, which means I'm secure to not PCS or move from Fort Hood and or Cabasos until 2025. SFC Walter Flores: So that's why I went from three core to 11 with the track record. I had at three core. I went in there with the mentality. Hey. What I have done with, and for three core, I can now do at a smaller level because I spent the past two years at a echelon level. So almost immediately I start implementing improvements, not changes. SFC Walter Flores: I start implementing improvements. All documented via email that I told her why I was doing what I was doing, even stating this is not in a vindictive or defensive response. This [00:16:00] is in a senior seasoned E 7. These improvements that can be implemented in an already thriving infrastructure. I've never wanted to change it, never wanted to take over anything. SFC Walter Flores: It was as soon as I got there, she hated me. And again, it's not just me, my peers and co workers who were in the same office with me. I see that. And then that's. It's not, that's not good about it. It's people saw it and I said, okay, I'm not taking this anymore when I've done nothing and to know, and I got cancer along the way. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Have you, and I'm sure you've which point or if you have, at which point did you contact JAG to see, to get them involved? SFC Walter Flores: I never contacted JAG. What I did, this is the steps of chain of command. I, in chronological order, I sent Master Sergeant Yuma Master Sergeant Yuma an email, a very detailed email, [00:17:00] explaining the trends that I'm noticing. SFC Walter Flores: This is well before her first counseling statement with me. It was a trend via an email that I sent her, stating the trends that I see her asking of me and only me. Along with a bunch of other what I have noticed. Indirectly, via email, 12 days later was the first counseling. Again, all timestamps, all documented. SFC Walter Flores: First counseling, direct. Master Sergeant, in the email, I said you were going to do this, because of what you are targeting only me for. Two weeks ago, I sent you this email. Now, you are literally proving what I wrote two weeks ago. And ever since then, everything has literally been going as I have been calling it. SFC Walter Flores: I tried indirectly with her, directly with her, nothing. I tried first sergeant. He, alright, just let me know whenever she [00:18:00] counsels you. Let me know whenever she counsels you, okay? I went open door policy via first sergeant and the commander. This is the, where it gets real thick. The company commander at the time actually set me and master sergeant human down and told me the captain sergeant Flores, I am giving you a verbal order to give her name, date, time, and location. SFC Walter Flores: Everything I've been giving her already. A verbal order, which I agreed to. And annotated in the counseling statement. He said only X, Y, and Z less than 12 hours later. She counsels me for not giving her W. After the company commander gave me a direct Gave us. Us. She was there too. She gave me a direct verbal order. SFC Walter Flores: Hey. This is what you've been giving her is what you are going to continue giving her. Roger that, sir. No issue. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: She asked you for who like which doctor and [00:19:00] SFC Walter Flores: She wanted me to remove the name of the office, which is essentially had the doctor's names like baylor scott and white has it up as a perfect example, but a more of a personal level with the specific bill Yeah whatever, ear, nose, and throat clinic you don't need to know I'm getting my nostrils enlarged. SFC Walter Flores: It's comedy, but that's essentially what she was trying to do, but in a little bit more of a serious level because she was preventing an active duty senior NCO from getting medical services and being targeted. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think you just brought up a great point too. Is you're a senior NCO. You've been around the block. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You've been in, how long you've been in the army? SFC Walter Flores: We're going on 18 years this month actually, right? 17 years. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You've been in for 17 years. Now imagine a private who's going through this same issue and doesn't know their rights and is only just barely not a child anymore. Doesn't know what's right, doesn't know what's wrong, gives all their private hip information, they get spilled all over clinic, all over the command suite. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This [00:20:00] is the big issue is you're not just standing up for yourself, you're standing up for the younger enlisted who have no clue what right looks like. Because it's their leaders who are leading them wrong. SFC Walter Flores: Oh yeah it's like a... It's a double edged sword. I'm trying to fight for one me too. I'm trying to show the lower enlisted soldiers Hey, look, he's sevens are getting it to now. SFC Walter Flores: We're just focused on you guys, which is fine because you should be But what I need you guys to desperately know is East seniors So I've been getting messages from sergeant major lieutenant colonels. Hey, this is going on with me, too Thank you for speaking up. Like it's not just me. It's not just her whenever she was going through her nightmare. SFC Walter Flores: This is Something that is only focusing on the lower enlisted, which is fine because they are the less knowledgeable per time and service understandably But that's not to say it's not still going on within the senior ranks and nobody's talking about it I just so happen to [00:21:00] be the guy that spoke up Coincidentally ended up getting cancer which put a little bit of razzle to the dazzle Nasreem Flores: I think it's unfortunate because a lot of lower enlisted don't know to go to sick call whenever they get Under the weather or injured because a lot of the times the senior enlisted just tell them to suck it up Go to work. Nasreem Flores: You can go to the doctors later And that's a dangerous game because now you have people who are ignoring their physical needs their physical health And it helps deteriorate them because now soldiers already don't go now. They have to face The consequences of not going and Unfortunately, when they get out, it affects them on the VA side too. Nasreem Flores: So their physical body's deteriorating, which leads to their mental to deteriorate their work performance, their family life. If we're saying people first, where's the people first here, where is. Go to the doctor. I don't need to hear what it's for. Go focus on your health because you can't [00:22:00] do nothing at work if you're not right here or if you're not right here. Nasreem Flores: And it's unfortunate that an E 8, among other senior leaders who already knew the situation, they did nothing. They stood by and said, I don't see a problem with it. It's accountability. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'd say they did worse than did nothing. I'd say they stirred the pot and made the situation much worse than it should have been. SFC Walter Flores: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, they did. Absolutely. And it's, again, it's just. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I was going to say that in probably the week after I put your episode out, I'm going to put out an episode about Karolina Stancik. And she was told by a registered nurse who was a captain at sick call, do you see how busy it is here? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Why don't you come back tomorrow with some other time? And it turned out she was having a heart attack in her early twenties. Here at Fort Huachuca, where I'm stationed. SFC Walter Flores: It is extremely disheartening. Never in my life did I ever imagine I would be [00:23:00] that person who is speaking. Who is speaking from a position of being failed? After doing what was instilled, instructed, and coached for me to institute as well. Only for it to be for nothing. I have cancer that has spread. SFC Walter Flores: And I tried to tell Master Sergeant Newman, do not do this. I have to ask. I remember speaking with her. This No, go ahead. Go ahead. Keep going. Sorry. I thought you were, I remember. I'm sorry. Yeah. I remember telling Master Sergeant Newman, I remember telling Command Sergeant Major Shower. I remember telling First Sergeant, I remember telling the commander with every sit down, this has the potential. SFC Walter Flores: To be big all I ask for is that she Gets coached. I didn't want her kicked out. I didn't even want her in [00:24:00] trouble I just wanted her to fix her mindset because that is one toxic two Deadly and who knows how many people she's done this to she used to be a first sergeant before she was the master sergeant three shots She used to be a first sergeant with this mentality, preventing soldiers from going to medical. SFC Walter Flores: She's as confident with A 7. Imagine how little adversary and euphorical her was whenever a first sergeant came in and said, Nope, you're not going to save her. She endangered her own soldiers, and I am the one who is saying you are not doing the same. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I commend you. That's... SFC Walter Flores: At least not while I'm in your circle. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's a hard stance to take, and I commend you for that. Now, I want to since we're throwing people under the bus, I want to throw your primary care doc, which we don't need to mention the name, but I want to bring it to the attention of everyone that your primary care doc is a dirtbag, because your primary care doc should have been in [00:25:00] communication with your chain of command saying, hey, he has a serious diagnosis. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm not allowed to tell you, and that's okay, and you shouldn't be asking. But he has a very serious diagnosis that affects the mission, and basically, he needs to be excused to reach every appointment that he ever needs to get to. SFC Walter Flores: I'm sorry, I'm laughing while you were talking, I apologize. It wasn't in a disrespectful tone, it was because me having Nasreem Flores: to talk about this at a great length please. So your previous... Primary care was major SFC Walter Flores: It was yeah, it was a major and then Nasreem Flores: and when he had caught wind of what was happening when Command sergeant made i'm sorry when i'm my sergeant human had said that she had spoken to the 11th signal brigade SFC Walter Flores: Let me pause it. SFC Walter Flores: And I'm going to take a time out because what she said is significantly important. She's put in the counseling statement. I spoke with the 11th signal brigade chief [00:26:00] surgeon, and he. Confirmed. There was no hit. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let me pause right there for a second because the only one that the primary care and this is as speaking from a primary care doctor who is a major who was a medical director multiple times at multiple different sites. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The only person I am allowed to speak to is the company commander or the battalion commander or the regimental commander. Only commanders in rare instances. Am I allowed to speak to the first sergeant if there is and that the paperwork is too difficult to do? So I won't do it. I'll just talk to the commander when the commander is available. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And even then, I'm not allowed to spread HIPAA. I'm only allowed to say, this is a serious diagnosis that will affect your mission. Basically, he needs to be pulled out of any mission, essential, anything, because he needs to take care of himself first. Sorry, I'm getting heated over here. SFC Walter Flores: Yes, that is what I thought. SFC Walter Flores: No as, Nasreem Flores: No as you should be. His original PCM did say the same thing, essentially. He said, did the 11th. Signal Brigade surgeon tell [00:27:00] her she was wrong and when we said no, he did not he was equally as appalled but unfortunately, it wasn't the rank that he could have pulled because of the position in which the 11th Signal Brigade surgeon Dr. Sam Sigoloff: held. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Unfortunately, that's so that's a misunderstanding on that doctor's part because what he can do is he can go put a HIPAA complaint against that other doctor He can put a complaint against his license because rank doesn't really matter so much in the doctoring world. A doctor is a doctor. SFC Walter Flores: Oh, yeah. With that being said, I guess now that we're mentioning names and I don't even know what they are. SFC Walter Flores: The major that she's talking about, if he hears this, the major from Houston, hey, thank you so much. Thank you for everything, not everything that you did, but everything that you are. Thank you for being the breath of fresh air. While I was literally figuratively drowning. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the problem is a lot of doctors, [00:28:00] they think they're in a caste hierarchy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they think that they can't say something. And so what I just said was not a dish against him, or a diss against him. It's, he needs... I agree to understand that. So an example that I like to give when I was a resident. So I was a third year resident. Like I am the last man on the totem pole when it comes to doctors. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I was a captain. I was a third year resident. So at least I was in the last year of residency. But there was a lieutenant colonel who wanted to have a patient who had a serious diagnosis that could have seizures at any moment. This is at Fort Benning, wanted him to walk up to the I. C. U. And be admitted directly. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I said, No, sir. I will not allow that because what's going to happen is he'll walk up to the floor. No one will know his name, his allergies, anything about him. He'll start seizing and the nurses won't know what to do because... Who told this guy to come here? He needs to do the appropriate thing going through the ER, just like every other patient that comes in here that's seriously ill. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You can't go from walking on the street to sitting in an ICU bed. You need to go through the ER to do it appropriately. And that's when I started building that [00:29:00] spine, is me as a lowly third year resident and a captain talking to a lieutenant colonel and said, No, sir, I will not allow you to do that. I will call the patient and tell them to go to the ER if you're not willing to do that. SFC Walter Flores: Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's something that, believe it or not, is a dying art form. And this isn't a stab or a jab or a low blow. It's none of that. This is observational fact. It is something that is now considered going above and beyond what was once considered the bare minimum as a leader. SFC Walter Flores: And now these are the types of toxic leaders that we have in a place where allegedly they put people first. And they changed the name. No, they just put a new paint job on it. It's already starting to print. And I was literally trying to repaint it on my own. While not even knowing. All SFC Walter Flores: while still dealing with bringing [00:30:00] my work home and bless her heart. She has been through unfortunately all of it with me. Without any of the recognition or any of the, Hey, he's being treated. No, she has been here for no ounce of payback other than she knows this is just as wrong. And she is with me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And unfortunately you've been filled at multiple levels. Your first sergeant, your master sergeant, she, the one who's doing this, should have not done this. The company commander should have stopped it. Your next level commander should have stopped it. To where it should go up to post commander quickly, and should have stopped it. SFC Walter Flores: At every level, it should have stopped. You are 100% correct. But it didn't, which is why I just kept on taking it to the next level. Which, unfortunately, was the public. Never wanted to take a day ever, but [00:31:00] I will SFC Walter Flores: be good. And then almost immediately there was an investigation, which I never even wanted an investigation. I never, I just wanted her mindset to be fixed. I never wanted her to be removed from the shop, which she is never wanted her to be flagged, which she is because she's under investigation. I never wanted any of this. SFC Walter Flores: I just wanted to go to. A medical appointment, which to me was something so insignificant of an issue that now has transformed into what is turning into a movement with how many sergeant majors, colonels, E 5s. Hey, thanks for speaking up. This is happening to me too. What should I do? Where do I go? It's a blessing and a curse is what it is. SFC Walter Flores: It's a blessing because people are finally, [00:32:00] hey, I didn't know they couldn't do this, but I've been giving it to them. And this isn't an attempt to try and disrupt the force, disrupt what they are trying to do. This is an attempt to try and write something people didn't even know was wrong. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Unfortunately, our leadership has gotten so good at breaking laws that they don't even know they're doing it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm going to tie this into what started this podcast is the COVID 19 shot. It's illegal and unlawful under 10 U. S. C. 1107 Alpha to tell any service member to participate in anything that's under EUA, Emergency Use Authorization, which means masks, testing and the shot itself. And I've been trying to help protect soldiers since the start of this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, I, you, answer this, don't answer this if you don't want to. I don't want to pressure you at all. But I will say is, there is an association, as part of the DMED data, that I and other whistleblowers came out with, saying that there was an increased rise in testicular cancer following the shot.[00:33:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then, they dropped, yeah, they took the entire database down when Senator Ron Johnson wrote a letter to Secretary Austin and said, protect all this information. Don't change anything. About a week after that, all of the data, the entire database was taken down, everything was put back up, and every single number had been changed, and then about a week after that, we went into this Ukrainian war. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Distraction? Perhaps. And then a short time later one of my colleagues Lieutenant Colonel and Doctor Teresa Long, went on the stand to testify, and the... D. O. D. gave her a piece of paper, didn't look official, just looked like a piece of paper with the new cancer rates on it. And it had testicular cancer at a 3% increase. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If something is causing a 3% that seems low, it's not. A 3% increase in a mostly male force, that should make the entire... U. S. government go, let's take a knee, let's figure this out, what's causing testicular cancer in our war fighting men? [00:34:00] It didn't. They didn't care. SFC Walter Flores: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm sure you've seen more of what I'm about to tell you, I saw, because of your position as a doctor, that I have friends, peers, coworkers that have gotten removed from the military because they refused to take a shot. SFC Walter Flores: And now they're actually doing it. Trying to fight to come back in since they if I've been please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not up to date with any of this now. They're trying to fight to come back in because they were wrongfully Separated. Oh, you're absolutely right more to it. But some are well, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: you're absolutely right They were wrongfully removed and I have heard from actually two different people That didn't know each other that service Huachuca as a quote failure to train And the reason they were called a failure to train is because they were not allowed into the schoolhouse here because they didn't have the shot. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So that's not a failure to train. That's kicking people out for refusing to get the shot, [00:35:00] which it's illegal to tell them to get the shot under 10 U. S. C. 1107 Alpha. And now that Congress has rescinded this alleged mandate, which was illegal from the start, because Congress has rescinded it, that word rescind means to restore as if it never happened. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so there's many service members who were thrown out. They're trying to get back in to get their... They're paid to get their promotions that they are owed because you're supposed to restore the party as if it never happened. SFC Walter Flores: And again, without going too deep down that rabbit hole, because I can't even imagine how many. Theories regarding what's going on. They're all out there and I don't have an answer for that will Satisfy anybody any portion of perspective people who wanted a Beautiful feeling. Go get it. Get protected people who are mandated to go get it. SFC Walter Flores: Hey, [00:36:00] it is a moral dilemma, but a professional mandate. That is where that's where your crossroad is. What do you value more? Neither answer is wrong, right? Some people join the military for money. Some people join for country pride, whatever. People now are, they were forced to, they were forced to confront and pick their moral values over their professional progression. SFC Walter Flores: And there is no right or wrong answer, it's whatever the soldier values the most. And unfortunately the army made them pick, which again, without going too deep into that rabbit hole, that is. It's a very unfortunate situation, especially for soldiers who raised their right hand knowing they have no control over their body or their future. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I want to make it clear that I'm not faulting any service member for taking this because they were put in a terrible position where their leadership never should have asked them to take it. Where it was [00:37:00] illegal from the start, where it was harmful from the start, where it never should have been offered, where you should have been able to trust your doctor, your commander your chaplain. SFC Walter Flores: Agreed. 100% agree. And that's now we're coming back to square one, the trust in your leadership. We just literally went full circle here, doctor. I promise you we did. Now we're going back to the trust in your leadership. Okay. I don't trust master Sergeant Newman because she is preventing me from getting medical help. SFC Walter Flores: And this wasn't even keep in mind this before the cancer was discovered. This is just me. Hey, neck, back, old people, injuries, right? She was preventing me from seeing. Those services. Now, just imagine if I was a leader. Already sick. How she viewed me already. Now, let's add a little bit of cancer to it. Yeah, the treatment was already toxic. SFC Walter Flores: Now, if I was already in there with the cancer discovered, it would have probably been worse. No, you can't go. No, you can't go. Show me where you're going. [00:38:00] And all the while, this isn't even considering the mental health of it all. Hang on, we haven't even discussed, doctor, again, I know, I feel like I'm rambling, please feel free to stop me, but we haven't even discussed the mental health portion of it all. SFC Walter Flores: Cancer, mortality, death, funeral, speaking to your children, seven of them. We have seven children. Wow. Y'all look so young. Ranging from 19, ranging, thank you, appreciate that, but no, it's... A hell of a story. I promise you, but they range from 19 to six. So speaking about death in so many different age levels, cause you can't talk to them like I'm talking to you about death and, so it was difficult. SFC Walter Flores: Do you want to share some of that? Only to just drive. And I don't want to pressure you. Yeah, absolutely. No, I have no. Cat's out of the bag now, doctor. And I don't mean that in a, oh, man, now they know too much. No, like now, okay. You tried to prevent me from seeing it. Now let's let everybody in on this. SFC Walter Flores: I have cancer. I have seven kids. [00:39:00] I have an E7 who is about to go, undergo chemotherapy within this month. SFC Walter Flores: The kids were just as beautiful as I expected them to be. That's not to say there were some dark moments. That's not to say there were any tears. That's not to say there weren't any tough questions or even tougher answers, but it was a family meeting. It was tough. It was tough, but it was approached at the appropriate age level at every level. SFC Walter Flores: Thank you. SFC Walter Flores: To give you a bit of an insight, I can go a little bit deeper in terms of what exactly was discussed, but I think that's going a little bit too deep into the weeds. I don't have a problem, but... No, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: don't share anything that's SFC Walter Flores: private, just... SFC Walter Flores: Yeah, it was somber. The cancer itself, the cancer diagnosis was somber and, they just put a little bit of [00:40:00] Master Sargent Human preventing me from getting seen, which potentially could have discovered the testicle with less than 97% cancer, potentially not spreading. SFC Walter Flores: The what ifs is what kills a lot of people. Yeah, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: A lot of people. One thing that I discovered a while back at this duty station that I'm at now at Fort Huachuca, is, so our leadership was mostly female. The company commander was female, the hospital commander was female, and if a service member wanted to go, let's say, get a vasectomy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So that, that is a permanent contraceptive for males. And let's say he wanted to go do that. He would have to go, and this was hospital policy until I discovered it and said, How much legal problems do you want to get in? You want to fix this before it becomes a huge legal problem. Is, the service member would have to go ask permission from the company commander, not for a procedure, not for a medical appointment, to go get a vasectomy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It was on the paperwork. I'm getting a [00:41:00] vasectomy. I would like to have permission to do this. That was changed in about two days when they ran that up the legal poll and they said, yo, thank you Sigiloff. Thank you for telling us that this is a huge problem. SFC Walter Flores: It's extremely, no, it's extremely upsetting because I think you asked the question in the beginning of this conversation was what if the roles were reversed? SFC Walter Flores: Let's just say my wife is an E7. She's coming home from work. Angry. Frustrated. Hey this E8, honey, he's asking, I have women appointments to go to and he is asking to see where I'm going to. Let's just assume we have plans for something or something is going on within the family that we are trying to medically address. SFC Walter Flores: Now we have this original concern. Now we have a concern where a superior is asking my wife about hey, what womanly doctor's offices are you going to and why are you going? Now, again, [00:42:00] same situation, just the sexes are on the different side of the table. Would anybody bat an eye? I don't know, I can only assume. SFC Walter Flores: Which is why I was not. Unfortunately, surprised whenever all of my cries were on deaf ears, I had to make people listen, but if the tables were reversed, it would not have made a lot of pain. It's disheartening is what it is at the end of the day, just to, it's a pretty much to summarize everything that's going on. SFC Walter Flores: We're still dealing with the cancer. The kids are doing beautiful. School's about to start for them. I'm currently on leave and will be taking convalescent leave because of the chemo. And here we are just taking it day by day, man. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Good. Nasreem, can you, as much as you want to share and don't share anything more than you don't want to, but if you're able to, wanting to, walk us through when he was diagnosed and then some of the family side of, and please don't share any more than you don't want to.[00:43:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But as much as you can, give some insight to that for people who aren't in the military and don't have an understanding of. What it's like to have a superior breathing down your neck, as has been happening? Nasreem Flores: Like I said previously, he had already been going to all of his doctor's appointments. So we knew that something was going on just because of the symptoms that he was feeling. But it was incredibly frustrating to know that he was actually seeking the help after getting nudged by me. So it was me telling him, go to the doctor, go to the doctor, there's something here. Nasreem Flores: Or another, not only another woman, but another NCO to say, you're not going. It was like a slap in the face. Oh, especially when you're trying to make sure that he's okay. And it, especially if you don't have a mission and you don't have an assignment, you're just a body in the shop. What is the problem? Nasreem Flores: If you're going to a medical appointment, what is the problem? The fact that you can't have eyes on them. [00:44:00] So it was incredibly frustrating that. We knew things that needed to get done, but it was slow as molasses And if it was done a lot quicker most of the health issues that my husband is probably experiencing Would have been nipped in the bud We would have been able to address the issues that actually needed addressing instead of trying to cure the symptoms Of what went on unaddressed because now because it has spread It's a whole other issue. Nasreem Flores: Yes. He had the surgery it was removed, but now it's spread. It's no longer just And that is, it's very difficult because now I'm not only at home taking care of seven of the kids, So Nasreem Flores: I've been driving him to the appointments, and we live about 40 minutes from base, which pulls me away from our family, our kids. So it's... It's unfortunate that it [00:45:00] had to get to this level in order for it to be addressed and fixed Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Are spiritual things important to y'all? SFC Walter Flores: I'm, sorry Dr. Sam Sigoloff: are spiritual things important SFC Walter Flores: Oh, you know that maybe a month ago i'd be like no But with everything that's been going on with me, and of course everything my answer right now is a new yes Nasreem Flores: yeah, my my spirituality is extremely important to me, but I gotta It's times like this that really make you frustrated and second guess even your own self, your own beliefs, your own foundation, because you start to think, am I wrong? Nasreem Flores: Have I been looking at this wrong? Have I been leaning on, again, my own understanding and not seeing it for how it is? It has you second guessing yourself and that's not a comfortable feeling SFC Walter Flores: And[00:46:00] SFC Walter Flores: this could have all been SFC Walter Flores: prevented none of This was going to happen the cancer that was going to happen, but the army the master sergeant human I'm, not even going to say the army because a lot of people have been asking me. Hey, are you mad? Are you mad? Are you mad? I'm not mad anymore. I was once enraged. I was once filled with hate. SFC Walter Flores: I was once filled with such rage over everything with, of course, the cancer being the final igniter. With time and support and the fact that they're telling us that the chemo will take, hopefully, care of a majority of it, you start to heal and you don't hate anymore because you realize. The mortality of it all. SFC Walter Flores: You're not nearly here for a long time. Why waste your energy on something that's already happened? I'm not mad. I just want to [00:47:00] not risk any other soldiers who are already losing it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that what I can see, and I don't know if you've seen this yet, but what I can see the good that's coming out of this is, if you would have had cancer and let's say you didn't have all these problems, perhaps you could have been diagnosed earlier, perhaps not. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I think You being the leader that you are, you being the backbone of the army, because that's what we call in COs, the backbone of the army, you're standing up and changing lives of people you've never met. And I think you have been designed for a time such as this. SFC Walter Flores: That's good. That's really good. SFC Walter Flores: I like that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so no matter what the outcome of I'm inclined to agree. of this cancer diagnosis is, the lasting impact that you will make, not only in your family, but across the entire army, is having people look at themselves in the army and say, Am I... Am I doing this? Am I doing the [00:48:00] wrong thing in this situation? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Or am I experiencing the wrong thing? Can I stand up with as much courage as Sergeant First Class Flores is? That's what this is. It's showing who you are as a man and who you are as a woman, who you are as a family and how you're so much bigger than the situation. SFC Walter Flores: Absolutely. SFC Walter Flores: That was good, right? Wow. That was, that's a fresh perspective. Honestly, that's, I think we've been spending so much time fighting that we just forgot to just, Hey man, we're on the same team, dude. Let's work together on this instead of. Individually, and yeah. Thank you for that. SFC Walter Flores: Honestly, we needed to hear that. SFC Walter Flores: And Dr. Sam Sigoloff: it's hard to see that when you're in the middle of it. I've, in my own fight not nearly as, as somber and as scary as what you're going through. SFC Walter Flores: The fog of war, is insane, man. You don't know, when you're going straight [00:49:00] right up or down, all you know is that you're moving, you're thinking forward. SFC Walter Flores: Yeah, thank you. SFC Walter Flores: But, you've already mentioned that you've been... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Many people have reached out to you and contacted you and said, Hey, I'm going through the same thing. What's the next step? You were made for a time such as this. And your wife to give you the support that you need to push through Dr. Sam Sigoloff: this. SFC Walter Flores: I think that is what is the spiritual underlying out of all of this. Like you could not have worded it better. She went through her hell exiting the army because of her toxic leadership, which in doing that, she is assisting me through my hell, which in doing that, I am now. Assisting everybody through that. SFC Walter Flores: I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. And you're not wrong. Hopefully we can just continue helping each other. Help each other.[00:50:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank you for your stance. For your courage that you're showing your wife. You're showing your family. And your family coming up and holding your arms up. In, in the biblical sense of that, when I think it was the Israelites were at war, and I'm forgetting at the moment, I can't remember if it was Moses or if it was Joshua, but every time they raised their arms up, They'd win the fight. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Every time they lower their arms, they start losing the fight. And so men came up beside him and held his arms up for him when he couldn't do it anymore. And I want to be that for you as your wife has been. I want to help encourage you and to keep this fight no matter what happens in the future. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To show this bravery to your children that, if you're blessed With a normal long lifetime that they'll say wow dad was really great here, or if God forbid The lifetime isn't what we would expect That you leave them with the courage that look how strong your father was SFC Walter Flores: [00:51:00] That's good you got a talent for this because normally I'm the one that's doing the motivating. I just want to, I feel, I really feel like I want to run five miles as soon as I hang up with you because of what you just, how you just hype me up. I'm never on the receiving end is what I'm trying to say and holy hell, it feels amazing. SFC Walter Flores: Thank you for that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you Dr. Sam Sigoloff: for your stand. Is there anything else you want to leave us with? SFC Walter Flores: Thank you so much. SFC Walter Flores: Yeah. To anybody who may listen, may agree or may disagree with what I, we are trying to change. It's okay. It's okay to disagree. It's okay to agree. It's okay to not care. It is not okay to ask somebody who needs help. If they come to you with their problem, congratulations, as a [00:52:00] leader it is now your problem. SFC Walter Flores: Help each other and pay it forward. That's the message Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have. Wow. yea, is it's hard to be a leader. Like it's hard to become a leader, but it's hard when you are a leader because people, if you do your leadership correctly, they come to you because they trust you. They come to you because they know you've been through this problem. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, absolutely. They know you can help them. They know that you're going to care. And that's what's... The great and terrible thing about being a leader. Exactly. And I want to thank you for being such, such the leader you are. SFC Walter Flores: Absolutely. Thank you so much once again for having us and allowing us an opportunity to continue spreading the word, honestly. And we're we're trying and we're not going to stop. This isn't until the phase runs out. No, this is until I no longer have breath. SFC Walter Flores: Thank Dr. Sam Sigoloff: you. God bless you. SFC Walter Flores: Thank you so much.[00:53:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, the duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, lets all make courage more contagious than fear.

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Or there has to be something out there that allows me to drop excessive fat. Feel good, sleep well at night, function properly. Alexander: What is that diet and why is it so complicated? Why do I need 18 different ingredients to make one dish? Why can't I just have 2, 3, 4? What did we do before? And carnivore brings you back into this, the ancient ways of doing things. Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Nurse Kelly: Now, to Dr. [00:01:00] Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Alright, thank you for joining me again. I want to first give a shout out to my Patreon supporters. I want to thank the anonymous family donor at 20. 20 a month. We have the Plandemic Reprimando level at 17. 76 a month with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna, Frank, Brian, and Shell. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Kevin, who's made his own level at 10. We have The Refined Not Burned at 5. With Linda, Emmy, Joe, Pat and Bev, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken. We have Addison Mulder at 3. Thank you. We have Frank at 1. 50. And then we have The Courage is Contagious at 1 a month with Amanda, Jay, Speznazdy, Durrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one of the benefits of that is you typically get an episode a few days. We're up to a week early before everyone else gets to see it. But today, I have a very special two guests, a married couple Alexander and Christiana. And they have been doing... Carnivore [00:02:00] for when did y'all first start? Alexander: Oh The first time I attempted it was right around the start of covid so about three years ago right after jordan peterson did his interview with joe rogan that's when I first heard about it And then from then on we started, she started doing carnivore about a month after that but it wasn't true carnivore, it wasn't very strict carnivore, it was like carnivore plus Popeye's, carnivore plus ice cream, but it was obviously better than just, eating out at a restaurant every day and then in the last really month that's when month or two, we've really honed in the diet, been much more strict and, all the, any excess weight we've had, we've been just starting to shed it, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and you bring up a really good point because so often when people hear carnivore they're like, oh, I can't be that disciplined And it's not always being so disciplined, it's, let's make better choices today than we did yesterday. Let's do a little bit better today than we did, let's forgive ourselves for when we screwed up today, and let's make tomorrow better than today.[00:03:00] Alexander: Sure, and even if you're just moving the needle in the right direction, every step in the right direction is still a step in the right direction, right? Because prior to doing Carnivore, we would essentially spend, a morning breakfast having nothing but pancakes, potatoes, eggs and then we'd go for lunch at a ramen shop and then we'd get dessert at a boba tea place. Alexander: And then maybe there'd be a second breakfast since we're a hobbit. Like it was absurd, the amount of destruction we were doing to our body. And we were also living in a big city where, it's very easy to be too busy to cook for yourself. It's you're too busy to do the right thing. Alexander: When COVID hit and I was starting to work at home and she, she. Still had to go into work because she's the medical professional. That gave me a lot of time to basically just cook at home. But after a while I started to realize cooking meat is very simple, very easy, very sustainable, very, like you don't have to think very hard about it, especially if it's just salt and pepper. Alexander: So it's not complicated. It doesn't take a lot of time either. You can't even [00:04:00] burn steak, right? You sear it. So Alexander: Exactly. So people are like, Oh, I burn water. Yeah. You'd sear a steak burning water. Okay. Now it's your turn to tell your side of the story. How did it go for you? Christianna: Sorry. Super nervous. Yeah. So my husband told me about carnivore and me work. I'm a pharmacist. So when he first told me about that, I was like, no, you're Crazy, like you need the carbohydrates, you need the vegetables, it needs to be balanced, and as far as diet goes, like what he was mentioning, the ramen shops and the all you can eat Korean BBQ and boba tea and ice cream. Like, when we first started dating, that's all we did. Because it was fun, it was something that we enjoyed doing together. But, we realized soon after, after the weight gain and not feeling so good, that it wasn't going to be sustainable. Christianna: He mentioned carnivore one day and said, I'm just going to eat steak every day. And I said, no, like at least have lettuce [00:05:00] or spinach or something with it, to be balanced and so he did it and I watched him do it and he showed me all the videos, looking into Jordan Peterson and hearing Michaela Peterson talk about her story. Christianna: And then I got me really thinking like, wow, this is actually, he might actually be onto something. And that's when we came across Judy Cho's book, The Carnivore Cure and looked into that, read that. And I was like, wow, this is, it's very contradictory to everything that I had learned in school, everything that we grew up learning or was even taught, and. Christianna: After he did it for a month, I gave it a try. It was very difficult for me growing up because I am Vietnamese, so we eat everything. We from the noodles to the, Alexander: to the brain, to Christianna: the and we love our sugar, our fish sauce and everything in between. I think that was one of the hardest things for me to really get into when he was just eating beef, salt, and water I really need my variety [00:06:00] understanding and really looking into the diet and seeing, Judy chose, laid out where yeah, you can have the variety actually there's a lot of different type of meats you can have. You can cook it in different ways, I definitely relied on the seasonings and sauces at first because my palate was, I need variety. Christianna: I can't eat the same thing every day I think that is how I got into it. As far as the vegetables, I definitely lean into that. So I was more definitely doing keto than carnivore. But the more I looked into it, the more research I did and then just understanding how my body felt. Cause I think one of the really big surprises is as you cut out. Christianna: So many different fillers and ingredients. Your body really is intuitive and it tells you exactly what it is that it needs. And so Alexander: It also tells you how sensitive you are to something, if you're just shoveling everything in your mouth at the same time, it's like you're overloading the senses and in your digestive system. Alexander: And when you're used to feeling a certain way, having a food coma after every meal, you just [00:07:00] think, Oh that's a signal that I ate really well. When you're, when you don't realize you have now overloaded your glucose system, your blood sugar spiked real high. Now you're crashing really hard. Alexander: And you're about to pass out because your body thinks, Oh God, if I don't put you out, like you've done so much damage, I need to start repairing now. And then when you cut all that out, I went, when I went down originally, it was just salt and pepper. And then I realized I was starting to get really sick from the pepper. Alexander: And I was like, it's black pepper. It's not even that much of it. It's ground. And it didn't matter. So I cut that out and this, okay, I guess it's just salt now. And it wasn't until more in the last three or four months we started introducing sodium, potassium, magnesium as a supplement and. One of my friends had told me that he found a doctor that talked about how if you have sodium and potassium present in your stomach at the same time, it actually helps to relax the sphincters that let you produce sulfuric acid. Alexander: So if you have more of the acid in your stomach[00:08:00] you can actually digest and process a lot more things. So I said, okay, let me give this a try. Sure enough, after having some sodium and potassium in me it ended up completely changing the sensitivity that I had where now I can actually have like I can go get like a barbecue rub or something like that, I can sprinkle it on the crust of my steak and I'm not going to feel sick I'm not going to have stomach pains, I'm not going to overreact. Alexander: It's just that's how my body responded. Now most people use that for the electrolyte because sodium is an electrolyte but for us we were just trying to feel better eating. I guess what is the point and that was the whole reason why we wanted to do carnivore Was you know, I said look I'm either gonna commit to being fat for the rest of my life And I'm just gonna eat whatever I want Because I don't want to be thinking about food anymore Or there has to be something out there That allows me to drop excessive fat feel good, sleep well at night, function properly. Alexander: What is that diet and why is it so [00:09:00] complicated? Why do I need 18 different ingredients to make one dish? Why can't I just have 2, 3, 4? What did we do before? And carnivore brings you back into this, the ancient ways of doing things. When we were all hunter gatherers and we did not have agriculture, what did we have to do to survive? Alexander: And that's the answer to that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think that's a really good point is that with as fast pace as everything is these days, slowing down, taking those few extra minutes to cook at home. Taking those, cooking like we did 10, 000 years ago, where maybe we had some salt, maybe we didn't, and we cooked meat. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, I think people probably ate plants only when there wasn't enough food to sustain them. But the food that they ate, was the only food source available across every continent that humans live on in every season. It's animals. It's clearly animals. And you had mentioned with some of your... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Familial history, cultural history, background, you have, y'all eat some strange things. I grew up Hispanic, I'm half Hispanic, and we eat some strange things, too. Cheeks of cow, tongue of cow, eyeball of cow. I've [00:10:00] had sheep brain. I won't eat brains of animals now because of Creutzfeldt Jakob disease, because of my concern for that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But the internal organs, those are considered strange things to eat. They're actually one of the healthiest things to eat, and they're one of the most cost effective things to purchase. And so it's really interesting how so many of these cultures, they eat those. Like manudo. Maybe without the pepper these days but the stomach lining is very good for you. Alexander: Yeah. Christianna: Yeah, that's definitely something that we in the Asian culture, too. Like pho, you have tendon, you have tripe, it makes a really good soup. So Alexander: I grew up a lot more whitewashed. So it was mostly like bread, potatoes. I'm half Hispanic too, but it was mostly like the arroz con pollo and all that kind of stuff. Alexander: I, I didn't have a lot of the exotic wild foods until I met her. I didn't even grow up eating shrimp or pork or anything like that. It was basically just beef and chicken and Turkey my whole life. And then I met her and then, with. I sit down at a meal with [00:11:00] her family. It's like there is no chicken. Alexander: There is no beef. There is no turkey. It's all shrimp, crab, crawfish the whole nine yards. It is just one of those little differences. And I did find some sensitive sensitivities to food that I didn't eat growing up, but for the most part, as I've tried all the different meats, it seems as though and I've heard this from a lot of people have a similar reaction. Alexander: It seems as though beef is king in the sense that not only is it king nutritionally has the most nutrients per pound of meat that you're going to eat But, I just feel way better. If I ate nothing but chicken, I think I'd feel very famished. If I ate nothing but shrimp, I'd feel very famished. Alexander: Even if I soaked it in butter, I'd feel famished. But beef, it just seems to settle everything, and then I'm not going crazy hungry, and I'm not, wanting to throw her off a building because I'm so hungry because she doesn't want to let me eat yet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: One thing I discovered with beef, there was this [00:12:00] one particular place that I would, when I was living in Alaska, I'd have to go work at a distant site. It would be, hour and a half drive and I'd be there for a few days and I'd go to The PX they have there or the commissary, I'm sorry, it's like a grocery store, and buy their beef, and I'd cook it, and I always get sick afterwards. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then one time I did a reverse sous vide, where you put it in some water, and, actually, no, I just, it's not a sous vide, but it's yeah, I guess it is sous vide, where you boil it in water to cook it a little bit, then you sear it. Yeah. And I didn't get sick that time. And I did some research into it, and they, some beef, they'll actually spray things on it to keep from growing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so if you notice you're getting sick from beef, look into it, see if that might be the issue. And so from then on, I'd always soak it in water, boil it a little bit first to cook it. And then I'd sear it. And I never got sick again. It was the strangest thing because beef had never made me sick my entire life until I started going to this remote place. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's very remote Alaska. And I guess they put that on there to keep the meat. To make it last longer.[00:13:00] Alexander: Yeah, it's very interesting. We, like I said, we used to live in a city and on the East coast and now we're in the Midwest, there's more cows and people out where we live now. And so where we're shopping, we actually shop at a local butcher shop as opposed to the grocery store. You know the one we have in town But we shop at a butcher shop and most of the meat, we know the butcher We know exactly what they do with it. Alexander: The cow was probably killed yesterday. It was probably killed that morning. We're getting something super fresh You know if it's been frozen, it's in that negative 30 degree freezer so even if it's been sitting there for a week, which is unlikely because people just buy that stuff up like it's water, we're very fortunate to be right next to a lot of access to something that's literally farm to table in the truest sense. Alexander: But if we were back in the city, I'd be looking for as close to that as I could find. So instead of in the beginning, what we were doing was going to Costco and just getting the [00:14:00] bulk whole. whole New York loins. And then I would take it home and cut it up myself, right? I'd sharpen my own knives and then I'd cut my own steak so I could have them as thicker, as thin as I wanted. Alexander: And then I think the next step for us at that point would have been to find some kind of either local butcher in the city or find a butcher that operates out of a ranch just outside the city. So maybe we have to travel 30 minutes to an hour one way to get there. But now we have the farm there and we can talk to the farmer. Alexander: We can buy cow in bulk. So if we need half a cow, if we need quarter of a cow and then whatever comes with that, all the ground beef we can even ask for the organs. We can ask for the the beef tallow, which is fantastic to do because they normally throw that stuff away. So if you ask a butcher or rancher, or even if you go to the grocery store, sometimes they just have all these trimmings just left over. Alexander: You can ask for that. Stick it in some heat, whether it's oven or I like using a crock pot cause that seems to not burn it [00:15:00] and ends up coming out really nice. And then you can use that as your cooking grease. And I use cast irons almost exclusively. And I season my pans with beef tallow. So I'm not worried about, introducing vegetable oils or flax seed or rapeseed or anything like that. Alexander: Into the cooking process. We've gone as far as we could to basically make sure if it's in our body, it's coming from an animal. And then there are exceptions to it on a rare occasion. Whether it's for social or where we've been traveling and we don't have access to what we would normally want to have. Alexander: And if you go to a steakhouse, sometimes you can ask them to cook whatever they're cooking in butter, right? Because they normally don't have tallow but if you wanted to get, your steak seared, you can ask for them to, cook it with butter instead of with canola oil, which is what you would normally find, either canola or vegetable oil. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and I think that's a very good distinction that you're making is get all the vegetable oils out of the foods that you're eating, out of even seasoning the pan. Because it's, that's what causes a lot of the metabolic disease that we're seeing. [00:16:00] So when we get those seed, nut oils, and the vegetable oils, it causes metabolic problems. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what leads to metabolic disease, leads to diabetes, leads to hypertension, leads to all these disease processes. Leads to facial swelling. You can usually tell how fit a person is. Even if they look thin, they'll have lots of facial swelling around the neck, around the cheeks. And you can tell, and there is an episode I did with someone that I went out to eat, I made the best choice I could, but for three weeks my face was swollen from the amount of vegetable oils that was put in the food that I thought I was making a good choice, but I clearly wasn't. Alexander: Yeah, it taxes on you pretty quick, especially once you've eliminated for a while. And you start reintroducing some things, you sit down at a nice steakhouse and you start saying yes to the bread and then suddenly you realize, Oh my gosh, my, I'm sleeping different. I'm feeling different. My brain feels different. Alexander: You could even start having just symptoms of slight depression or you're just a little more moody and maybe you're upset a little easier, more irritable, [00:17:00] so there's a whole, Swath of things that change when you've eliminated everything and you start reintroducing these foods, you start to see how much your body can really tolerate that stuff. Alexander: And some people can tolerate some stuff fine, right? They'll reintroduce fried chicken and be like, oh, this is fine, I don't care. Or they'll reintroduce something simple just white rice and they go, yeah, I probably wouldn't do it every day, but it didn't make me feel sick. Alexander: Other people, they'll have, a total At the borderline anaphylactic reaction to this kind of stuff, they'll start, feeling dizzy. They'll go to the hospital, stick it up. You put it in your arm. It's like what is going on, right? Because you suddenly are having a much harder reaction to the food now that you've gotten it all out of your system. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what are some physical health changes? If you don't mind, as in depth or as shallow as you want to go to, I don't want to pressure to say anything that you don't want to say about your personal health, but what are some things that some changes that each one of you have seen? Christianna: Yeah, for sure. Christianna: For me, I think the biggest, as far as health issues, I [00:18:00] would say acne was one of our, my big ones, acne my quality of sleep. And I actually had, I think one of the biggest motivations to do the carnivore diet is for the anti inflammatory benefits. In 2021, I was actually on my one wheel on my way home from work. Christianna: And I had fallen the day right before Thanksgiving and I thought it was no big deal. I had gone over that bump countless times, million times, but I had fallen on my elbow. Just perfectly so that I fractured my the head of my radius. I ended up having surgery on it. I have a couple screws in there now. Christianna: They're permanent. The doctor had recommended that I get surgery so that it would hopefully prevent arthritis in the future. But knowing so, just moving on from that, I realized I'm going to have to change my diet if I want to make sure that, I can use my arm. And it's my. Right arm, which is my main preferred arm. Christianna: I think [00:19:00] that was one of my biggest motivations for that. As far as acne. completely clear, completely fixed. I know I've done something wrong or had something or indulged when I do have acne. And that's very rare now. And then sleep. I would say, I think when I first started carnivore, I think that was one of the biggest things I wake up in the morning. Christianna: Deepest sleep, completely refreshed, didn't have to sleep too many hours either. Growing up, I've always not really slept too much. Maybe about six, seven hours and I was good. But as I got older, six or seven hours started to get really... I still felt really exhausted, in the morning but after switching to that diet, I, six, seven hours, got up in the morning, completely fine, refreshed didn't need any coffee, didn't need tea. Christianna: I started to rely a lot on tea. I'm very sensitive to caffeine and coffee, so I never really got into that, but I started to drink a lot of tea prior to getting onto Carnivore, and after I went on Carnivore, I pretty much don't need anything to really wake up anymore, and I wake up, So I think that [00:20:00] was some of the biggest benefits for me Alexander: and it's fast too. Alexander: She's waking up within, she pops up out of bed and within two minutes, she's fully alert and ready to go. I'm trying to have conversations with him and he's I can't even do it. Don't talk to me. I'm not ready yet. Let me at least shower and brush my teeth or I don't want to feel better before I open my mouth. Alexander: But for her, she's just, she's up and she's asking questions. It's Oh my God what the heck is this? Yeah. So it's a total difference. And as far as the arthritis goes, like whenever she had her surgery initially, there's a lot of inflammation, obviously after an initial surgery. And so she could tell right away, why don't you tell them about it, the, when you'd have a little flare up and you could feel the stiffness in your arm. Christianna: Oh yeah, it would get really stiff. I wouldn't say it was very painful or not, but it was just very stiff and sore and hard to move. And I would say therapy, oh my gosh, I had never done physical therapy before. I'd never broken anything until that day. And gosh, therapy was terrible. Christianna: It hurt. They had to stretch it. Actually, it got to the point where [00:21:00] I had to use, oh gosh, it was the contraption where you put your arm in and there are like little tiny screws that you had to tighten. And you would just continually tighten Alexander: Until you finally, Christianna: right. And I had to do that for a couple of weeks. Christianna: It was awful. Yeah. My therapist really didn't want me to have to do it, but it wasn't really budging either way. So I'm pretty sure being on that diet helps recovery at least much faster. And I have full range of motion now, weight bearing everything and I have no issues with it. Yeah. Christianna: And I, yeah. It's funny. One of the first things he made for me after I had gotten out of surgery was an oxtail soup. I would say probably that helped me a lot. He basically just cooked broiled oxtail, made it into a soup with some salt, and that's what I lived on for a couple days. I'd say that probably helped a lot. Alexander: Yeah. She also, basically gave birth to a [00:22:00] carnivore baby, went through a whole pregnancy carnivore. Yeah, Christianna: that was really interesting. Yeah, the first trimester was really difficult. I had actually reached out to Judy on that one, because, so I got pregnant with our son last year. Christianna: And there really, I couldn't really find too much information about carnivore pregnancy, or if there was, it was... There were a lot of disclaimers and whatnot, and there was nothing really definitive about it. When I actually looked at it recently, a month or so ago, I found out that Dr. Kiltz has something now, and I think Judy came out with something else too, but Navigating that during my pregnancy was, it was actually difficult, and so I, we just went with how I felt. Christianna: Doing carnivore impregn When pregnant, that first trimester was really difficult. I had a lot of meat aversion and I found out now that it's basically because the stomach acid has reduced and so you need that to digest your meat and so your body tries to stay away from that just mainly because of it. Christianna: But yeah, so that first trimester [00:23:00] was tough. I definitely stayed, I still stayed away from the grains. But I relied heavily on dairy. My husband actually would make me this Alfredo sauce with just Parmesan, heavy cream, and some salt. Alexander: Yeah, that was it. Parmesan, heavy cream, salt, a little bit of butter. Alexander: And and then we'd pull apart a rotisserie chicken and just put it in there like it was a, like it was a soup, you Christianna: know, I had that basically on everything. So like the ground beef. Yeah, it was awesome. I think that's what really helped me. So I, what I found is increasing the fat. And the dairy and then, after the first trimester, I was able to eat steak again, couldn't definitely could not stomach the medium rare that. Christianna: It's how I usually like it, but yeah, for the well done Alexander: seared giving birth is a very bloody experience, very traumatizing, Christianna: but after that I would read it to, how well that pregnancy actually went, [00:24:00] I was a little nauseous, I think the first trimester, but that was pretty much it. I didn't have any vomiting issues. Christianna: I, in the second trimester, it was wonderful. I probably worked and functioned as if I wasn't pregnant obviously my stomach was growing. And so that was an obstacle. But other than that, I felt great. Every time I went to the to talk to the doctor about, how I was doing and updates, blood work, et cetera, like everything looked fantastic. Christianna: My blood pressure stayed great throughout the entire pregnancy, and we really didn't run into any issues. And I would say, being on that. More protein and fat based diet helped me a lot tremendously, and as far as the weight gain for the pregnancy, I did gain about 40, 50 pounds, but I felt great, and lost it immediately right after the pregnancy, pretty much lost all of it. Alexander: And it's most of it's water weight, you're trying to. Keep the baby alive. You're trying to give the baby its body. And who knows, maybe some of the, the fact that she was a very boring patient for a doctor, right? Maybe some of that is a little bit of the genetic gift that she [00:25:00] has. Alexander: But, she, like she was saying, the glucose was steady. The blood pressure was steady. There was, they check it and they'd be like You're normal, there was nothing wrong. They were looking for something to be wrong and they couldn't find it, right? So at the very least, what we can know from our personal experience is that at least we were doing something that we know wasn't harming the pregnancy in addition to that. Alexander: It because it was good for her body in general, regardless of the pregnancy, we assume that it was eliminating small factors. And, instead of having a super clean, super boring pregnancy, maybe she could have had a little bit of morning sickness and that could have been as bad as it got if she was on a normal diet. Alexander: But we would have never known because we never did it before. We don't plan on, sticking her on the traditional American diet for the future, pregnancy. So it's not really experiment we're trying out. Yeah. But that's just how it worked out for us. Christianna: And we were really lucky that I had a really open to it too. Christianna: Initially I was a little scared to tell her. I was like, Oh yeah, no, [00:26:00] we wouldn't Alexander: tell her. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Usually advise patients. To say the modified Mediterranean diet, they're going to tell another doctor that they're doing Alexander: something like this. We told them it was a non restrictive ketogenic diet Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What's amazing is you know, so many doctors will get so upset by this because there's little known There's not a lot of research on it. But if you look at a, like a newborn baby, one hour after they breastfeed, which is the normal way to do things, that's how the, humans have been doing this for 10, 000 years is breastfeeding, not some man made stuff we've been using, and obviously there are some women that have difficulty with breastfeeding, and so it's not possible for everyone, but when a baby, less than a year old, is breastfed, they're in ketosis within an hour after breastfeeding. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How can you make the claim that it's dangerous if a newborn baby is in ketosis [00:27:00] within an hour after breastfeeding? And, they eat pretty often, but at some point they get within four hours of eating and they're still in ketosis. And so it's, to make the claim that ketosis is bad for the human is, it's pretty tough to make that claim. Alexander: Yeah, that's true, and a lot of doctors would probably argue you can't breastfeed your whole life. And you could argue that's because mothers give up too soon, right? The 33 year olds, they should be breastfeeding too. But no, obviously they're, your body does change as you get older, but there are some foundational things that don't, right? Alexander: Like you're saying, the being in the state of ketosis inherently is not bad because it's something you do from the beginning in the same way. Eating something is not inherently bad, right? We may be eating bad things, but the actual process of, eating food at all is not actually detrimental to your body. Alexander: We have to eat. The second you stop eating, when all your muscle and all your fat stores are gone, you've got a few days left to live and then you're gone.[00:28:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What's really interesting about newborns and, I think yours is probably too young for y'all to start seeing this. Our kids are a little bit older. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it really hits you when you're eating this way and you're breastfeeding and you're like, Okay, so the child is eating, nature's way of feeding a child is It's sugar and fat. That's breast milk. It's got sugar, so carbs and fat. Humans, adult humans don't typically eat sugar or carbs and fat together. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it's a great way to gain weight. That's why cows, baby cows do it, baby sheep do it, baby humans do it. Because it's a great way to put on weight quickly. And you have... Those babies get teeth, and then those teeth eventually fall out by the time they're, 4, 5, 6, they start falling out, and they get their adult teeth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's around the time that they quit breastfeeding. So it's interesting that you quit eating sugar, and then you get a new set of teeth to last you for the rest of your life. And most human diets, if you look back at the traditional diets, they didn't have a lot of sugar or carbs in them, because if they did, they wouldn't have any teeth, and then they wouldn't live very long. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you don't have teeth, you don't have a blender, [00:29:00] because it's 10, 000 years ago, you're dying. It's that simple. And if you look at humans, and you look at the skulls of humans 10, 000 years ago, their teeth were pristine, perfect, strong, straight. Their jaws were actually bigger, so they didn't have to have their wisdom teeth taken out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That was just the next set of teeth that they got as they got older. Alexander: Isn't that amazing that the, as far as we've come as a civilization, we've become weaker than we've ever been? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's, yeah, we think we're stronger, but we're... Most likely, not as smart as we were then, because we're not eating as much saturated fat. And the brain is the fattiest organ in the body. We're giving people statins to reduce, or to change how they metabolize saturated fat. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one of the obvious side effects is a brain fog. As a pharmacist, you... You know that, you see that, and then we're confused as to why are they having brain fog when we give them this medication that alters how we metabolize fat when our brain is the fattiest organ in the body. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's like taking your computer out in the back, kicking it around, plugging it back in, and expecting it to work the Alexander: same. It [00:30:00] might if it's a, if it's a Mac, it might work. That'll piss off all the Microsoft people, but... PC Master Race, yeah, whatever. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So as a pharmacist, I'm sure you're wanting to do this. And I don't know what the legalities of this, because I'm not a pharmacist, but coaching patients on diet and how they can potentially reduce their medications, Since no one here is a patient of yours, I want to give you the platform to talk about how changing diet can help one reduce medications. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And again, there is no medical advice given here because there is no patient, there's no established patient relationship here. So this is just two people talking and take the information as you will. Christianna: Yeah. As for my journey and my husband's journey and just learning about this diet, Carnivore is what they call the ultimate elimination diet. Christianna: And when you are able to eliminate a lot of the different factors that you're putting into your body is able to heal.[00:31:00] And fix itself, fix that lining in your gut fix the microbiome in there so that you're able to digest and whatnot. And a lot of the diseases that you see today, diabetes, hypertension are caused by our body not being as effective, after all the damage that it has taken, like you had mentioned the seed oils and whatnot, right? Christianna: So it's not as effective anymore. And so by taking medication, sure, you can take a medication to help fix something. But the way that I see it now is that a lot of medications are just bandages, You can take something to help bring your blood pressure down. But, to actually fix the root cause of why your blood pressure is high in the first place what we're finding is that diet can fix that, or, for example type 2 diabetes. Being able to fix your diet so that you can actually have your body function to its fullest is... going to help you in the long run versus having to, just take the typical pills or take insulin[00:32:00] to help lower it. And it's just temporary. Christianna: It's not going to fix it. And so what I've learned is that if you're able to get onto a diet carnivore in particular you're able to allow your body to heal itself. Once the body is able to heal itself, and reset itself then you don't need the medications anymore. You don't have to rely on taking something every morning or every evening or in the middle of the day. Christianna: Your body is actually fully capable of doing that itself. You just have to allow for it, give it the opportunity to do so for you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so a couple things that I want to talk about with you is. I completely agree with carnivore to heal, and I think for some people that it's sustainable, they can do it for the rest of their lives with no problem I think some people can be a little difficult. And so I think that they give and take on that because we have to look in a real world and make life better for people, not just make something that's unsustainable. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so for patients that have significant medical illnesses I'll suggest carnivore and if they're willing to do it, [00:33:00] I'll tell them, Hey, let's just try it for a month. Many of them at the end of the month are like, life is so much better, I'm never going back. But some of them, they want to start introducing new foods, which I think is fine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But... I have this kind of tear step approach. Keep the processed foods out completely, like none of them , right? If you wanna stay healthy, and then you know if you can keep the vegetables out, okay, keep the vegetables out because they make poisons and toxins, which can hurt you. Introduce some fruits, see which ones don't bother you, and then, and see which ones you can enjoy that way and see if that gives you the variety that, that some people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Feel they require, Alexander: right? Christianna: Yeah, I definitely agree with you on that too. I understand even through our journey doing the whole carnival. Like we, we have, there are days where we get it perfect. And then there are days where we're not as perfect. And it's a work in progress and it's learning and It's really just, getting to know yourself because I think one of the coolest things about this diet is just really getting to know your body, going back to like side [00:34:00] effects. Christianna: So we know we've had something or indulged if we have gas now or constipation, when we're on the diet I probably have a bowel movement every couple of days and it's normal and it's, and I feel great. When I was on a regular standard American diet, it had to be every day, maybe twice a day. Christianna: If I didn't, I felt terrible, but on this diet, if I go every couple of days, no big deal. I don't feel any pressure or any pain or anything like that. It's just, you go when you need to go and it's completely fine. For anyone who wants to go on this diet, like you had mentioned, some people continue, have done it for 10, 12 12 plus years and love it. Christianna: And then there are some people who just do it for a couple of months, just so that they can get to a good place, a good weight, feel better and then may try to want to incorporate foods back into to their diet. And that's okay too. The important thing is being intuitive about it and listening to your body. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I agree. I think one of the interesting things about the poop part of it is really interesting, especially since you have a newborn or a very young one, is with kids babies is [00:35:00] when they're breastfed, they digest everything and they turn it into a lot of urine and a little bit of poop. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And yeah, sure, some babies can poop seven times a day or once in seven days, but you'll notice that they don't poop very much for as much as they take in. And the reason is. Their GI tract absorbs all of the stuff and they turn it into their body. And when you're eating this way, it's almost like it was designed this way, but your body can digest everything. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And there's very little waste that comes out of you when you're eating carnivore, even if you're eating, a two pound ribeye, there's not a lot of waste that's left over from that. Most of it is taken and used. Yep. Christianna: Yeah I 100% agree. With our, so our son right now is nine months old and he. Christianna: When he was first born, it was, he probably had two or three big poops a day. But once he got to about three or four months old it was maybe just once a day. And now, I'd say for the past month and a half, two months, it's been probably every three days is when he would actually have a really big poopy diaper. Christianna: But, he has a wet diaper [00:36:00] everyday multiple wet diapers, but as far as the actual poop or fecal matter, it's every couple days. And he's fine. He's not complaining or dis it, having any discomfort or anything like that, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. And that's one important thing with people who try this eating way is they go, Oh no, I haven't pooped in a day or two and they're like, I must be constipated. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Constipation is more than just the number of. Bowel movements you have in a day or in a week, it's are you uncomfortable? Do you feel backed up? Do you try and go and nothing comes out? That's more of the issue or like Christianna: the urge to need to go, right? So for me and my normal every couple of days, but I don't have that urge to go. Christianna: It's just, okay, I'm going to go and then you go and. Relieve and that's it. But there's no dis, you're, like you had mentioned, there's no discomfort or pain or anything associated, or I really have to go, but it's not coming out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And those are issues we see with people who have IBS or irritable bowel syndrome. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And this can cure a lot of that for [00:37:00] most people. And personally, I know if I eat something I shouldn't have, I know I'm going to pay for that with bowel discomfort. Alexander: That's very true. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Interesting thing I was listening to another podcast where a doctor was talking and he was talking about blood pressure problems and how, you mentioned that we're just putting band aids on it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And he brought up an interesting idea that blood pressure is actually elevated to compensate for whatever injury is happening. And so perhaps trying to lower the blood pressure to get rid of that compensation may not be a good thing. It may be best to get to the root cause and fix it that way. Christianna: Yeah, I definitely agree with you. Christianna: Just going back to your body is, your body knows what it needs to do. And so when it's trying to fight decrease your blood pressure because it's really high or release a lot of insulin because there's a lot of sugar floating around or glucose floating around, it's trying to compensate for something that's going wrong in the body. Christianna: And so going back to the diet, if you're able to fix. You allow your body to heal and fix itself and essentially you don't need to have to worry about it.[00:38:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think before when we spoke, I told you about this, but I had a patient who was taking 80, that's 8 0 units of insulin every day. And on the first week of carnivore, and just want to throw a little disclaimer out there that every time I have a patient that's on anything that lowers their insulin or is injecting insulin into a patient, anything to lower their sugar or increase their insulin, sorry, I always make them be on a continuous glucose monitor. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the reason is, this patient went from 80 units down to 10 units in the first week of carnivore. Wow, Christianna: that's incredible, actually. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And within two months was off all pills, all medications, all insulin, all everything, including blood pressure medications. Wow, Christianna: that's fantastic. And has the patient Dr. Sam Sigoloff: continued? Sorry, did I say two weeks? I meant two months. Oh, okay. It's been over two years now, and it was at a different duty station, so I would imagine they've continued. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Christianna: That's super exciting. I so going back to [00:39:00] the continuous glucose monitoring, I was actually on that during my first pregnancy. I guess what's really interesting and I did some research on it but I guess I'm not too sure I have a specific answer. Maybe you might have something to add to it. Christianna: But as far as the glucose intolerance test, right? So I had done this during the pregnancy. I actually failed it. And then I actually did the three hour test and I also failed that as well. But I mean the only thing I could really. Who come to reason with is, my body isn't used to, the shock isn't used to that amount of glucose and it doesn't have a reserve of insulin ready to just pull it out of the system. Christianna: When I looked at the numbers, I was pretty much normal after I would say, 'cause if you fail two measurements, I think is when you fail the test completely. I would fail the first two, but shortly after that it would, my blood sugar would go back to normal. So if you have an answer to that'd be super great as to why that happened, or if that's something that does happen if you are on Conivor, or if you even should be [00:40:00] doing a glucose tolerance test in a pregnant patient if you are on Conivor, and if it is even reliable. Christianna: But I ended up being on a continuous glucose monitor for the rest of my pregnancy. And what was really interesting that I found is that, my blood sugar levels were... consistent throughout the day. If I had a little bit of sugar, which I experimented with, because I did have one, I would have some honey, you'd see the spike. Christianna: But it would come back down. My blood sugar was always higher in the morning ranging, like on average, about 99 to 100. And then it would decrease throughout the day. Just settle about 65 to 70 towards the end of the day. It, as I ate. What I guess what I learned from that was they call it a dawn phenomenon, that sometimes when you are very low carb your glucose level tends to be a little bit higher in the mornings, but then it regulates throughout the day. Christianna: But I guess that's not really a question, but yeah, that's interesting. That's something that I learned from my pregnancy. Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah.[00:41:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Can I tag team you with Alexander? Christianna: Yeah, so he's actually our son just woke up. Alexander: So our screaming baby, you know how it is when he wakes up and he goes, Mama, there's nobody that can... Yeah. Not dada, not grandpa. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, the blooper reel at the end. Yeah. Okay, so now that you've we've switched off so we can take care of the little one. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So tell me some of the health benefits that you've noticed, some, things that for some people may not seem like a big deal, but it could be a life changing thing Alexander: for you. If we're talking big macro before we get to the specifics, the big macro is that my body just feels better. Alexander: It's a very difficult way to explain it. But the overall is I sleep better, I wake up better, I have better energy throughout the day. I'm not, when I'm hungry, hunger is different. Hunger is, it's closer to a suggestion, not a demand, right? Like before it, hunger [00:42:00] was somebody has a gun up to my head and if I don't eat, the trigger's going off, right? Alexander: And that's just what it is. But When you're eating high protein in general high protein, high fat in general, but especially when you're getting the nutrients you need, my body seems to be much better off with beef than anything else. Suddenly hunger is no longer a demand. Alexander: You get this sense that, okay it's telling me that I'm hungry, but if I wait a half an hour, It's not a big deal. Or if I'm busy, right? And I can't eat right in two hours past, I'm not angry that I haven't eaten. I might feel like the suggestion is getting a little stronger. Hey, it's been a couple hours. Alexander: Can you at least drink water, please? And then drinking water may actually pacify me just a little bit. But but on the specifics yeah, sleep was definitely much, much better. One thing I was doing for a long time up until this last couple of months was I was having a lot of coffee, mostly drip coffee about, I don't really know how much. Alexander: When I [00:43:00] say a cup, the mug could be, this big, so I'm having one or two of those, so it could be a lot of coffee, but, I was just having black coffee. I wasn't having any dairy or sugar or stevia or nothing with it, just straight black. I could have espresso on occasion if I was out and about, and I wouldn't want a big latte or anything like that. Alexander: And, there was a point very early when I started the diet I had gone to an endocrinologist to have my hormones tested and she said, congratulations, everything with your thyroid and your hormones are normal, except, it looks like there's something going on with your adrenal glands I want to get some imaging. Alexander: I want to take a look at it. And I ended up never actually getting the imaging I needed because none of the clinics or services for imaging could provide the images that my doctor wanted. And then she couldn't change her mind on the type of imaging before I ended up moving. I never got the conclusion on that, but What I started doing, I bought a book, I can't remember the name of the author, it's called Caffeine [00:44:00] Blues and it goes into the details of how caffeine reacts with the human body and how some people have greater tolerance for caffeine and how some don't, and because everyone's threshold is on a sliding scale not everyone can have. Alexander: Three cups of coffee a day and some people can have Ten cups of coffee a day and it not have a huge negative impact on their system And one of the things that you mentioned was That your adrenal glands are responsible for producing cortisol and I always knew that caffeine does Create a cortisol response in your body. Alexander: It is a stressor to your body And so I said I remember a couple of years ago. I was having You know, what may be at its very best, just adrenal fatigue. Why don't I cut out the coffee, see how that goes. And I saw an Andrew Tate video recently where he said he cut out coffee in prison and he was like, yeah, I just felt sleepy. Alexander: It sucked. I went back to coffee. I'm going to be caffeinated all the [00:45:00] time. And and I had tried that, and yeah, that's exactly how I felt. I was sleepy all the time. The headache, I only had a headache for a day, and it wasn't even that bad. So I didn't even take anything for it. I just dealt with it. Alexander: But for an entire month, I felt like I could not wake up. It would take me an hour to get out of bed. It was absolutely awful. Terrible experience, but the book was talking about how that could be part of your withdrawal symptoms. You could actually have legitimate exhaustion for a month, two months, three months before you actually feel normal again. Alexander: For me it was about a month and maybe about a week. So after about that four or five weeks I woke up just about as fast as my wife does. I still don't want to talk because I want to brush my teeth, but at least I'm alert, right? She says something and I hear it. It doesn't just sound like a ringing symbol or anything like that. Alexander: The coffee made a, cutting out the coffee for me made a big difference. My body does seem to be very sensitive to food in particular, more than a lot of people. I have terrible seasonal allergies on the East coast because of the [00:46:00] density of trees and the amount of flower pollen, tree pollen, grass pollen. Alexander: I'm unbelievably allergic to all of it. Moving to the Midwest actually did help that because we do not have the trees out here. don't even have the density. If there is a tree like these, there's not even that many of them. And, that's just how it is. So I don't really suffer from the seasonal allergies this far, if you were to draw a line from Kansas city, basically West of that, it seems to be okay for me. Alexander: And then just food in general, right? All it took was I think after some time during the carnivore diet when we were doing carnivore plus ice cream I started noticing that when we would go out to Dairy Queen and I would just get, the same blizzard that I would always get and I wouldn't be having three of them a day. Alexander: I'd eat perfectly throughout the day. And at the end of the day, I would have a dessert, right? About an hour or two before I went to bed. And I started noticing that My heart felt like it was about to jump out of my chest, and it was an awful feeling, and I knew it was the sugar. I knew immediately it was the sugar. Alexander: So I [00:47:00] stopped getting Dairy Queen, tried to find a lower sugar alternative, and then that's when I realized this has gotta go too. And I tried doing the no sugar, make your own ice cream. I bought an ice cream maker and everything. It's just not the same, so I said, you know what I will mourn it a long lost dog or something like that, and hopefully I can get another one later. Alexander: But I ended up having to cut that out too. And cutting out the sugar, cutting out the inflammation. It's all these little things add up to the larger picture of you feel better. And I could go on for a long time about what things made me feel what way. But I'd say that the biggest ones were sugar and caffeine. Alexander: Alright, so when I cut out caffeine, even green tea, I even tried decaf coffee for a little while. I was like, let me just try two weeks of decaf. This'll be great. Nope, can't even do that. And then I found out that decaf coffee is used as a pesticide. And then I was like... Yeah. I don't want to do that. Alexander: So it just, it didn't work out for me to be able to have a little bit of sugar here and there, a little bit of caffeine here and there for other people. It may [00:48:00] be totally fine and it may be totally fine for some people to, once once a week have, a bowl of rice, no bigger than the size of your hand, maybe, but it depends on your lifestyle. Alexander: It depends on your goals. It depends on your level of activity. It depends on your genetics. There's so many things that it depends on. I know if I was working out three hours a day, I could probably be eating fruit and honey all day and be totally fine. But I'm not working out three hours a day. Alexander: I don't have a physical activity that I enjoy for three hours at a time. So you know, maybe 30 minutes, 45 minutes. And you're alluding to Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Saladino, how he calls himself the carnivore doctor, but he's eating piles of fruit and honey a day, which is fine. He eats an animal based meal, which I think is good. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But he also surfs three hours a day, which is an incredibly physically Alexander: active sport. It is. And I think it should also speak to the What does your body do when you are exercising? I think Saladino actually does I don't [00:49:00] think he's self aware of it. So he doesn't preach it in his message. But one of the things that I do seeing is the fact that if you are working out three hours a day, That makes a difference. Alexander: There is a physiological change that happens within you when you build all this muscle, when you are enduring this activity. And I'm not saying you can't endure that level of activity on just a pure carnivore diet because Dr. Sean Baker actually proves that. Otherwise, right? Alexander: Because he works out like a freaking monster. Now, he does not, he's not working out like Liver King does, so he's not doing it every day, but the intensity is there and it shows. The guy looks like a freaking bodybuilder. He's... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's also not using steroids, exactly! Liver King, Alexander: Liver King stopped it, but, we all get to make fun of him for a little bit for that. Alexander: Ha! Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they're not disparaging. There's people that take testosterone, and if you take it, that's okay. As long as you're doing it with a doctor who knows what they're doing and you're honest about it. That's the biggest thing, is just being honest with [00:50:00] what you do, and there's Paul Saladino, which is too far one way for me to try and preach exactly how he does it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because it's too strict for most people. Same with Sean Baker. Too strict for most people. I'm more in line with Dr. Ken Barry, who's yeah, make a better choice today than you did yesterday. That's the family medicine approach. Let's make it better today than we did yesterday. Okay, so you failed today. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We gotta redo tomorrow. Let's make it better tomorrow. Alexander: And I think another element of the what is better could also be subjective to where you live as well, because, and I don't just mean are you in the cold of Alaska versus, the the jungle of the Amazon. That's not what I mean. Alexander: What I mean is what western country are you living in? Because the food and the quality of the food that you're going to get, let's say, in Germany, France, and Italy is very different than what you're getting in America, and it's very different than what you're getting in Japan, and it's very different than what you're getting in Venezuela. Alexander: And you have to take a lot of that into consideration. We're here in America. And so we have to understand what is going on with our [00:51:00] agriculture and you have to understand that corn is not what it used to be, at least not here in America. We genetically modified it so that way it can resist the pesticides that are based on Roundup that we've known about since the eighties. Alexander: They did the same thing to soybean, right? And so a lot of people are saying, Oh, so it's killing all of our testosterone is killing off our body. It very well could be. It could also be. And it could be the wheat too, because they desiccate the wheat with the pesticides as well. So meaning that they spray the pesticide at the end of the season when they harvest it, not at the beginning. Alexander: And so when you actually go out and buy a bag of flour in America, you're getting trace elements, of whatever was on the farm, right? If they sprayed any kind of pesticide, regardless of what it was, you may be getting a trace element of that spray, which is a good advocate for, community gardens and, growing your own food. Alexander: food in your backyard and all that kind of stuff, because you can micromanage and control down to every element how these plants live and how these plants grow. And if [00:52:00] I think that would be a fantastic thing to be more culturally normal for us to be totally responsible for our own food and not outsource it to a massive industry. Alexander: Not saying there isn't a good place for it but I think if you really want to master your health, I think a lot of that has to go back to those times of when we actually did have to master our food, whether that was we had to go find it and kill it. Now, obviously, there's no such thing as a wild cow, so I can't exactly get a hunting license for cattle. Alexander: That would be hilarious if I got to do that, but... A really angry farmer with a really big rifle standing right next to it. But aside from, the cattle aside from, the chickens, you can hunt things like turkey, you can hunt things like deer, you can hunt elk and, you can grow. Alexander: Any kind of food that you want as long as you have a little bit of a backyard, I live in an apartment. I got neighbors that have just, not very big. They have some pots and they grow herbs in it. It's come on, if you live in an apartment, you can at least grow some [00:53:00] herbs. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're getting a little less of those. A little less heavy metals, maybe a little less appeal, that's, getting put on many produce now. Doesn't take a lot of acreage to own chickens, if you're able to do that, if you're outside of city limits. In most cities, consider getting a North American dirt parrot if you live in the city limits. Alexander: Don't get me wrong. Like I'm not much of the wild animal kind of guy, right? Like I don't want to deal with, cow poo and poo all day long. I don't want to get dirty. I'm very much a, a well groomed human being because I grew up in the city, if push came to shove, I would do it now. Alexander: Since I don't have to do it, I at least try to find the best alternative, right? Is somebody else doing it right next to me that is doing it at the quality that I would be doing if I had to do this job? And that takes a little more diligence, right? You actually have to pay attention. You have to ask questions. Alexander: You have to talk to people, get to know them, build a relationship with your butcher. Get to know their name, figure out, how long they've been doing that, why they've been doing that, [00:54:00] what are some of the things that they've seen in the industry, the, they can tell you all the stories about, when this storm hits and this many animals died, ground beef was so cheap

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Scott Jensen === Dr. Scott Jensen: [00:00:00] Remember the words of Edmund Burke, the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. So we don't get to choose doing nothing. We've got to do everything we can, even if it doesn't seem like a lot, because if you think you're too small or too inconsequential to make a difference, just think of the last time you tried to get a good night's rest and there was one mosquito in your bedroom. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue, so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his, and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty, or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right thank you for joining me again. 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I want to introduce Dr. Scott Jensen, he is a physician that finished medical school in 1981 and in 1982 he received an award, the Meade Johnson [00:02:00] Outstanding Resident Award, that only 15 residents in the entire nation received. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In 2016, he was named Family Physician of the Year by the Minnesota Academy of Family Physicians. Also in that same year, he wrote a book about relationship matters. The foundation of medical care is fracturing. And in 2017, he became a Minnesota State Senator. So this man has done quite a bit in his life, and he's come across quite a bit of controversy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Scott Jensen, thank you for coming on. Dr. Scott Jensen: Thank you, Dr. SIgoloff, for having me on your show. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Tell me, I understand, because I looked you up and I heard you on another radio, on a radio station once, and you were talking about some lawsuits. Now, you are suing the medic, the Minnesota Medical Board and Keith Ellison. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that correct? Dr. Scott Jensen: Yes, I am. During the course of the pandemic, I experienced things I'd never experienced before, as so many of us did, but in June of 2020, for the first [00:03:00] time in my medical career, I was being investigated by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice, and it was based on complaints from people who had never been patients of mine and never received health care services from me, but they did not like my narrative, my political speech at the time I was in the state Senate in Minnesota. Dr. Scott Jensen: And. Yeah. I did address many of the issues of the day with the pandemic. I was vice chair of the health and human services committee. I'd been chair of the Senate select committee on healthcare access and affordability earlier. And essentially I was simply skeptical about many of the policy decisions that were being made and that rankled some folks. Dr. Scott Jensen: And so they submitted complaints and the first complaint came around and I filled out a charm. Basically a response that was about 70 pages in length and it took a long time. And I turned that into the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice. And within a [00:04:00] few weeks, I know I was notified that all of the allegations had been dismissed. Dr. Scott Jensen: And then a month later, again, I was being investigated and this kept going until I was being investigated for a fifth time. Starting in November of 2021. And at this time, I was in the middle of running for governor in Minnesota. And I responded as I had the previous investigations, but this time the board of medical practice didn't respond. Dr. Scott Jensen: And literally for more than a year, this investigation hung over my head like a dark cloud throughout the campaign to be governor, the fact that I was. Actively being investigated by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice was used against me politically during the campaign by my opponent, the incumbent governor of Minnesota. Dr. Scott Jensen: He had a tweet on Twitter [00:05:00] indicating that if I was being investigated by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice, what kind of a candidate would I be to be governor of Minnesota? So after the race was over and I lost in November of 20 22, 2 months later, I was notified by the board that they wanted to have a. Dr. Scott Jensen: Person to person conference, there was a notice of conference and we went through that process and after we met face to face for about 90 minutes, the board took a recess, came back 15 minutes later, said all of the allegations had been dismissed. The case was closed and it was over. Now I could have walked away at that point in time, more than a year. Dr. Scott Jensen: I could have walked away at that point in time, feeling good about the fact that I had been exonerated. But that would not have been right because it really wasn't simply about a family doctor in Watertown, Minnesota. [00:06:00] It was about the everyday person, whether you own a restaurant or a pub, whether you have a hair styling business, whether you're a nurse that does home care services, whether you're a dentist, a lawyer, anybody. Dr. Scott Jensen: Who's beholden to any type of government agency for licensing or registration or a permit. Anything like this is susceptible to a government agency being weaponized. And I'm convinced that this is exactly what happened to me. There were people who repeatedly felt that if they could make my life hell on wheels, maybe I would shut up and go away. Dr. Scott Jensen: And so I believe the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice, through no fault of their own, Dr. Scott Jensen: And so I felt at that point in time, after being completely exonerated and vindicated, that it was time for me to step [00:07:00] up and say, listen, I am entitled to my first amendment rights. I'm entitled to free speech. I understand absolutely that the Minnesota board of medical practice has a responsibility and a mission to protect patients of Minnesotans, but that has to do with the Professional conduct as it relates to the practice of medicine, it does not have to do with the free speech of a sitting senator or a candidate for the governor of Minnesota. Dr. Scott Jensen: I believe that the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice stepped over the bounds of their jurisdiction, and I believe they did it with the assistance of the Attorney General's office. And you're exactly correct, Sam. I have filed a case, a suit, against the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice in the Federal District Court. Dr. Scott Jensen: And I have filed a lawsuit against the Attorney General of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, in the State District Court. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, I'm looking [00:08:00] at your lawsuit against the Minnesota State Medical Board. And it says, cause of action, count one. First Amendment. Abuse of investigatory power and chilling effect. Now, can you explain what the chilling effect is? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because I feel like that's, the U. S. government is trying to do the same thing to me, to use me as the chilled person to keep others from speaking. Can you explain what that means? Dr. Scott Jensen: I'm convinced that physicians, not only in the United States, but literally around the globe, have felt squashed and endangered. Endangered. If they were to speak their mind, after the election and in the months of 2023, as we have seen the pandemic and its effects and its policies lifted, I've seen more and more physicians reach out to me, whether it was through the [00:09:00] give, send, go initiative that we initiated to help pay for the lawsuit. Dr. Scott Jensen: But I have seen physicians in person, online, through phone calls, through letters, step forward and apologize for not being able to stand by me publicly while I was going through that process of being investigated. But the reason they weren't was because they did feel suppressed. They did feel the chilling effect that if they spoke up. Dr. Scott Jensen: They could lose their job. There was an article recently that talked about the fact that 77 0 70% of physicians in America are employed by the hospitals or corporations. Optum a division of United Health Group alone employees, 70,000 physicians. There were many physicians out there that could not afford [00:10:00] to be fired. Dr. Scott Jensen: Or let go and so I understand it, but do I think the medical profession stepped up and met their responsibility of the day during the COVID pandemic? I do not. I think that doctors and the medical profession collectively were remarkably quiet during the course of the pandemic. And I think their silence was deafening. Dr. Scott Jensen: I believe honestly that we should have been the ones to tell the FDA and the World Health Organization and the CDC, what you're doing doesn't make sense. We should have been the ones demanding that when we got PCR tests for patients being tested for COVID, that we be told. How many cycles were being utilized to obtain these results? Dr. Scott Jensen: We should have been doing more [00:11:00] serial antibody investigations. We should have been leading the charge for science, but we weren't. And so I think the chilling effect of censorship and literally squashing any narrative other than the legacy media's narrative was problematic at a level that I've never seen during my lifetime. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think the medical community failed in its biggest sense of the word to protect patients. Dr. Scott Jensen: I think so too, Sam, and I think Sam that I agree with you. I think the medical profession did fail, but there was, there are numerous players in this failure. But another one that needs to be recognized is academia. Dr. Scott Jensen: Academia just. Did not step up. They went along with big pharma with its clear monetary [00:12:00] interests was a powerful force. The censorship, the big tech. Was able to carry out at the request of big government has been well documented just within the last couple of weeks in Missouri versus Biden. Dr. Scott Jensen: We had judge Doty come out and tell numerous agencies in the federal government, as well as specific contacts in the white house to stop the chilling effect. Of suppressing and contacting various tech platforms. There were so many people, myself included, that were throttled, suspended from various accounts, kicked off, shadow banned, had stamps of disapproval because of violating community standards. Dr. Scott Jensen: This was carried out through the collusion of big government and big tech. And big pharma was always a part of the equation. Pfizer set all time records for the amount of gross [00:13:00] revenues they were able to receive off of one product. And that product was one that they had no liability for. Unheard of. In the billions and billions of dollars. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I gotta ask, this is more of a personal question, if you don't want to answer this or if you don't know how to, that's fine too. What gave you the strength and the courage to stand up for what you've done so far? To question the narrative to be different? Because there's very few of us, and it seems like the educational system selectively, Picks out those that have been in the system the longest to stay in the system the longest to become doctors who are Most likely to become indoctrinated and to do what they're told and not think outside of the box what gave you that spirit of in curiosity? Dr. Scott Jensen: I think it's an excellent question. I was raised in a family where My dad, who is an attorney and a judge, always encouraged us kids to be skeptical and to ask questions. And if we didn't have anything [00:14:00] to contribute to the conversation we should listen so that we might understand how best we could ask questions. Dr. Scott Jensen: I believe that one of the most effective ways to teach people is the Socratic method of a question followed by an answer followed by another question frequently helps us arrive. In our own conclusions, but I don't want anyone to think that I'm some hero, because I'm convinced that if I had been shown the breadth of what I was going to go through over those three years, I might well have moved to Zimbabwe, Africa. Dr. Scott Jensen: But the fact was little by little, these things happened to me. I oftentimes think of the story of Jonah. Being asked in the old Testament to go to Nineveh and it was a pretty tough job. He was being asked to do. And he said, Oh no, not me. No, thanks. And he ran the other direction to the Mediterranean to take a cruise. Dr. Scott Jensen: And then the whale got in the way, but I feel like that's what [00:15:00] happened to me. At those moments in time where I wanted to bail out and not be this person, because I've had a wonderful life. I've had a wonderful medical career. I've been. Honored with awards and I have just incredibly good patients and I have the chance to work with my daughter and my wife's a veterinarian and my other daughter's a physician and my son is an attorney who knows healthcare. Dr. Scott Jensen: And so I truly have been blessed, Sam, but. One thing led to another, and it started really with a commentary that I was an author of in a newspaper in March of 2020, when I pointed out that I thought that some of the decisions being made to lock down certain businesses were potentially capricious and not thought out. Dr. Scott Jensen: That initiated a response by. An antagonistic Democrat on the [00:16:00] other side of the aisle. And that was why I was asked to be on a news program. And it just happened to be that shortly before that news program had me on as their guest, I was the recipient, as thousands of physicians in Minnesota were, of an email from the department of health in Minnesota, advising me as to how the rules were going to change in regards to completing death certificates. Dr. Scott Jensen: For COVID 19 and I read this email carefully and I clicked on the link to the CDC additional information and I was astonished. In my 35 years of medicine prior, I had never seen anything like this happen. Never with a flu epidemic, never with any type of disease outbreak. And the fact that we were being told to use COVID, even if it was nothing more than a contributing condition as the cause of death, but to not do that, if it were [00:17:00] emphysema or asthma or something else was alarming to me. Dr. Scott Jensen: And so I, at this news program, where we were talking about how it was that certain businesses were being shut down, I raised the point. I said, I think Minnesotans are going to be frustrated with a lot of what happens during the pandemic, because I think we have a citizenry that typically likes things straight up, transparent, and honest. Dr. Scott Jensen: And I said, for instance, this decree from the department of health. Is not going to help build a public trust and the interviewer on TV asked me to elaborate and I did and literally, Sam, that was the beginning because a day and a half later, I think I was on the Laura Ingram show and ultimately I was the topic of discussion by Rush Limbaugh and I was on the Tucker Carlson show and I became a regular on cable news and I had never been this person [00:18:00] before, so it was literally, I think, step by step that my life unfolded and there were so many supporters out there, so many prayer warriors, so much goodness that I felt that shield of protection that for whatever reason I was being put in a place where. Dr. Scott Jensen: I needed to be strong, and I needed to be honest and authentic, and I tried my best to do what I felt I was being called to do, and I think some people might maybe mistakenly think that I'm some incredible, Rambo kind of courageous guy. I'm not. I'm just an ordinary person who was put in an unordinary situation, and I did what I thought was best. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if you look at the Bible... It's interesting because that's, I love that humility, sir. But it's got [00:19:00] that same idea as how the disciples felt. I'm just a normal guy who got selected to follow Jesus. And they got thrusted into these positions where we know who they are now. And so I certainly want to thank you for all that you've done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I want to take a step back for a second, though, because you mentioned changing the death records. Nick, can you just dive into the magnitude of what that actually means for the viewer, for the listener? So they understand this is changing something that for time immemorial has never been changed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That It would make one think that the death rate of COVID is so much higher than it ever should be even though at the end of the year, if you look at total numbers of deaths, there was no excess deaths until the COVID shot came along. Dr. Scott Jensen: Let's step back and just take a look at human nature. I think many of us who have lived at least a few decades will recognize and agree that Humans [00:20:00] don't do their best thinking when they're frightened. Dr. Scott Jensen: So I think this epidemic of fear that sort of ran side by side with the pandemic of COVID was problematic at a very root level. I believe that abusive relationships that people have between one another frequently are born of fear. In that situation, I've always felt that the way to break through the fear is to get some context. Dr. Scott Jensen: So if I have a patient that I have to tell has prostate cancer, immediately, their life is upside down. But if I tell them that at the PSA number and Gleason stage that they're at, Their 15 year survival is greater than 98%. In an instant, I provided [00:21:00] context that lets them step back, take a breath and say, Oh, okay. Dr. Scott Jensen: Can we talk about next steps? What might we do? That's what I tried to do with the COVID death counts, because I realized right away that if in Minnesota. The revision of how we complete death certificates would result in one additional inappropriate death being counted as a COVID death, when perhaps it was a patient on hospice with stage four colon cancer, who clearly was dying. Dr. Scott Jensen: If every county did one per day. In Minnesota, that would be a hundred per day. And in the course of a year, that would be 36, 000 deaths. And in the course of, if you will, [00:22:00] three years, that would be a hundred thousand deaths that could be identified as miscoded. So we needed to take a step back. So I told. Dr. Scott Jensen: Minnesotans and Americans, you need to realize that we have approximately 325 million Americans. So let's just round it up. We have 300 million Americans. Will 3 million of them die every year? That means that one out of a hundred of us will pass in the next 365 days. That's a time honored statistic that you don't get to argue about. Dr. Scott Jensen: It's just context. So what I talked about was if we, out of those 3 million deaths, understand that more than 20% of them are going to be due to heart disease and more than 20% of them are going to be due to cancer. And we've got emphysema and suicide and drug overdoses and Parkinson's [00:23:00] disease and pneumonias and infectious diseases. Dr. Scott Jensen: And we have a whole plethora of deaths that make up the federal registrar for causes of death. If we start coding heart disease deaths as COVID deaths and we drop it 20%, what's going to happen? We're going to see the drug companies come up and say, see. We need to put more people on Lipitor. We're coming to save the day. Dr. Scott Jensen: We're the cavalry. We told you that statin drugs are miracle drugs, and now you can see it. There aren't 650, 000 deaths this year from heart disease. There's only 500, 000. But the fact is we were simply seeing numbers manipulated. That's why it was so terribly important that we not corrupt the way we code deaths. Dr. Scott Jensen: The New York Times, Sam, today in the New York Times, the headline article was measuring [00:24:00] COVID deaths. The article was written by David Leonhardt. They talk specifically in there about the fact that many of the deaths that had been coded COVID 19 were not deaths caused by COVID 19. We had public health advisors and directors in Illinois. Dr. Scott Jensen: Say in 2020, just because it says on the death certificate that they died of COVID 19 doesn't mean they died from COVID 19. We had Deborah Brooks on national TV say nobody dies with it. If you've got it, if we identify it, you die of it. So I was simply saying, folks, we're putting ourselves in a world of hurt. Dr. Scott Jensen: Unless we can get on top of this and recognize that what's happening here is we're losing sight of context. We're absolutely bullying two year olds, demanding that they wear masks that a two year [00:25:00] old cannot wear. We're throwing 20 years of literature out the window that had already been clear that a cotton mask doesn't stop. Dr. Scott Jensen: An RNA viral particle of 0. 1 micron, whether it's influenza or Corona, it can't stop it because the pore size is 50 times larger at five microns. That's why I said, if you believe that, then you're the same person who thinks that a chain link fence will keep the gnats out of your backyard. We needed to provide context. Dr. Scott Jensen: And I felt like that was the biggest. role that I played. And yet I was absolutely eviscerated for making these comments. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I heard this one lecture from, he was an engineer, and he was pro mask, and he was giving this lecture that was, when you look at the facts, it was clearly not pro mask. He would say, if you take a 5 micron [00:26:00] droplet no, it was a 500 micron droplet, and you drop it at 5 feet, it hits the ground in 5 seconds. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you drop a 5 micron droplet at 5 feet, it takes 72 hours before it'll hit the ground. And the virus particle is 15 microns. So it's a fraction of the size that takes 72 hours to hit the ground. So virtually, it never hits the ground. And the smallest particle that an N95, the alleged best mass that we have, the smallest particle it can stop is 0. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: 3 microns, which is double the size of the virus. And that's taking into account that, if the virus is what we say it is, if everything is on face value, and there's other theories out there that, Do hold credibility. We don't have to discuss that now if, you don't want to. But if the virus is what they say it is, there's no way an NA5 can stop it. Dr. Scott Jensen: I think the danger, Sam, was not getting in a bickering match with someone regarding what percentage of filtration would take place, whether it was 15 or 40 percent. The danger [00:27:00] was that people who were highly susceptible to the Virulent effects of COVID 19, people that were over 65 with multiple morbidities, people that had chemotherapy on board. Dr. Scott Jensen: When these people were told that if they wore a mask, they would not get COVID. This was irresponsible because literally you were putting their lives at risk by giving them a false assurance that you really had no right to give them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you can just look back at human history, if a cloth mask could work, then we wouldn't have had the flu pandemic of 1918. We wouldn't have had all these other pandemics throughout time and memorial because all they need to do is put a little piece of cloth Dr. Scott Jensen: over their face. Exactly. Dr. Scott Jensen: I think that we had. Extensive research done prior to 2020 that showed that [00:28:00] masking was not a successful tool of prevention for influenza epidemics, and the influenza virus does have many shared traits. With the coronavirus in regards to its RNA makeup, as well as its approximate size, and also its ability to be spread both in large particle droplets, as well as aerosolization. Dr. Scott Jensen: So there are many commonalities between an influenza virus and a COVID virus. But to say that out loud in 2020 and 2021 was to open yourself to a remarkable level of ridicule. So again, I'm going to comment on the article in the New York Times today, talking about measuring COVID deaths. The fact that this has come out is an indication that we're starting to regain our equilibrium. Dr. Scott Jensen: And we're starting to have conversations about what went wrong. And I think we're [00:29:00] recognizing that locking down businesses willy nilly didn't make sense. Locking kids out of school hurt. The underperforming kids far more than it hurt other kids. It absolutely disrupted our ability to identify kids that were the subject of such sexual and physical abuse, because quite frankly, teachers and schools are one of our best reporting sources to try to identify those kids who are in harm's way and locking nursing home patients into a facility that was rampant. Dr. Scott Jensen: With active COVID 19 disease was one of the most heartless things we could do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And just before I came on with you, I watched a video that you recently put up on Instagram and they had this I can't remember if he was Swiss. Or he was some Eastern European country, and he said that they didn't lock down their schools. And he gave the number of how many school children, school age children they had, and he asked, do you want to know how many died? Dr. Scott Jensen: There were [00:30:00] one, there were 1. 8 million kids, 1 to 15, in Sweden. And they were not locked down, schools were left open, daycares were open, and zero kids died. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, isn't that incredible? Shouldn't that just be a slap in everyone's face to wake them up, to show them that every single lockdown for any school age children was absolutely and demonstrably wrong? Dr. Scott Jensen: I think that we were fortunate to have a country like Sweden be willing to go against the grain, because it certainly has given us a chance to understand with much greater clarity for sure what did not work. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It will take us years to figure out the damage we've done to this generation, but at least we have Sweden to compare them to, because they didn't lose a year [00:31:00] or more of education. They didn't have all these problems that we will have in the future. Dr. Scott Jensen: I think you're exactly right, Sam. I think that we're going to find over the next five to 10 years that the damage that was incurred against our kids is not something that we simply accelerate lessons and teaching programs so that they catch up. Dr. Scott Jensen: This isn't like a game of golf where you get a mulligan. There are no mulligans. We took pivotal years out of kids lives and it's likely that they will never be able to regain what they otherwise would have had. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the reason we're talking about this is we're family medicine docs, so we see children, but we're not the child specialist, if you will, because I remember when this started, I saw an actual child specialist who worked in developmental, he was a specialist in [00:32:00] developmental issues, and I asked him about masking, and I said, isn't this going to be a problem? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Kids not seeing faces and hearing words, Pronounced clearly and precisely and see how lips form words and he's ah, don't worry about kids will bounce back. It'll be fine Dr. Scott Jensen: Yeah, we'll see how that works out Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah It's and at least we'll have one country in this on this planet to be able to Compare to that didn't do that And I don't know if they did masking or if they did not do masking But at least they didn't keep their kids home and destroy their economy just to flatten the curve Dr. Scott Jensen: other topics that you wanted to discuss Sam Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want, because I want to be respectful of your time, I know you said you only have a little bit of time left. Where can people reach out to help you? And I'm going to put a link down below of whatever you mentioned. Dr. Scott Jensen: The best thing to do is simply to follow me on social media Dr. Scott Jensen on Facebook and basically the same on Twitter. [00:33:00] I'm pretty easily found on social media. And if people would like to read my book, I wrote a book called We've Been Played. Dr. Scott Jensen: Exposing the triad of tyranny. And in it, I'm making the case that big tech and big pharma and big government shared an agenda that ended up raising complete havoc with America and frankly, with countries around the world, I use real patient stories the patients I've taken care of to make the point that. Dr. Scott Jensen: Patients are being treated like pawns. And in many situations, physicians have either betrayed or abandoned their patients. We no longer seem to have a patient centered system of caring for them. It seems like it's more centered around insurance companies, algorithms, and specific accepted [00:34:00] medical narratives. Dr. Scott Jensen: This is problematic at multiple levels. We've really gone away from a mind body spirit kind of approach. And so people can go to drscottjensenbook. com and buy my book for 20. It's D R S C O T J E N S E N B O K dot com. And I think you can get a lot of material in terms of what's been happening, not just during the three years of the pandemic, but for the decade prior to that, because clearly we have seen an incredible change in the way patients are treated by physicians and hospital systems and insurance companies. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it's almost like they're... Most doctors are afraid to see a patient because what if they get sick? That's what we signed up for. We knew that going into this. That was part of the plan. We're going to go see sick people and take care of them, and you know what, we might get ill in the process, and that's okay. Dr. Scott Jensen: [00:35:00] Yes, I think we've lost our mission, especially in family practice. I think family practice we clearly signed on to, to be there for our patients. We're not the... The captain of the ship we're a navigator. We're there to help. We're there to I oftentimes compare it to being in a boxing ring and life is being in that ring and when that person goes out and lives everyday life and gets bruised and bloodied and needs support and help and care and healing, they come over to the corner. Dr. Scott Jensen: And we're there to stitch them up and help them out and send them back into the arena of life. And I think that's really changed. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It sure has. We're over there telling them, Don't go back. You could get hurt. Life could be a little scary. It could be a little unsafe. When, that's what life is. It's scary. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's unsafe. But it's the bravery that gets you through it that allows people to do great things to help those around them.[00:36:00] Dr. Scott Jensen: I think, Sam, people have asked me, what can they do going forward? And I oftentimes will remind them, This isn't about Scott Johnson. This is about the everyday, every person, American, our constitution has been put through a stress test like never before. It has been at times kicked under the bus and ignored. Dr. Scott Jensen: This is a huge issue. We all need to recognize it. While our constitution may not be perfect, it's been a remarkably vibrant document. That's helped us get to be almost 250 years old and to be the champion for freedom around the globe. We need to really lean into the constitution and recognize the wisdom of the founding fathers and putting it together. Dr. Scott Jensen: And we need to recognize that government. Over the last three years has used emergency executive powers to expand its [00:37:00] controls and authority like never before. And we're all worried that when you stretch a rubber band beyond its elasticity, it will never come back. to its normal configuration. We have to be concerned about that in regards to our government. Dr. Scott Jensen: Our government has demonstrated an appetite to grow relentlessly and regardless of the Constitution. We have to stop that and never let that happen again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's right. The government is fire if it's in its proper place. It lights, it provides light and heat for everyone. If it's in its improper place, it burns the house down. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Scott, thank you so much for coming on. I truly appreciate it. Dr. Scott Jensen: Sam, thank you and thank you for your service. And thanks for being a family doc. And let's do that, which we can all do. Remember the words of [00:38:00] Edmund Burke. The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. So we don't get to choose doing nothing. We've got to do everything we can, even if it doesn't seem like a lot. Dr. Scott Jensen: Because if you think you're too small or too inconsequential to make a difference, just think of the last time you tried to get a good night's rest, and there was one mosquito in your bedroom. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Beat that mosquito. Dr. Scott Jensen: Have a good night. Thanks, Sam. Thank you, sir. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:39:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a new affiliate, Harvest Right Freeze Dryers. Take a look at the link below, and see if it's right for you. It's a great way to store food for you and your family up to 25 years, if stored properly.

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Mark Bashaw === Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: [00:00:00] Majority of service members didn't want to participate with this. And so they were trying to shape that perception to increase the uptake. But when the mandate just before the mandate came out in July, 2021, what they did was, and this is in the evidence that I provided to Senator Johnson's office. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Their goal was to decrease the percentage of exemptions that service members would file and just increase uptake. Nothing about that is scientific. That is purely a psychological operation. We know these products are experimental. We know they're emergency use, authorized. We know you, you have to provide proper informed consent. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: They had a perception management project going. It was a psychological operation that was weaponized against service members and doctors like yourself who didn't go along. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where he can [00:01:00] share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the U. S. Army, D. O. D., nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hey, I wanna, first off by... Start by thanking all of the Patreon supporters. Shell Pace, at the 50 level, we have an anonymous family donor that's giving 20. 20 a day. We have the Plandemic Reprimando at 17. 76, and in that tier is Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Anna, Frank, and Brian. We have Kevin, who's made his own 10 a month level. We have the Refined Not Burned level at 5, with Linda, Emmy, Joe, Pat, and Bev. PJ, Rebecca. Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken, and then we have Frank at the 1. 50 a month. And then our last tier is Courage is Contagious at [00:02:00] 1 a month with Amanda, Jay, SpessNasty, Dorrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now today I have a very special guest. He is recently out of the military, so he doesn't have to give the disclaimer that his views do not represent the U. S. military because his, he's no longer in the U. S. military. And that's what we're gonna talk to him about today. Talk to him about today Mark Bashaw, pleasure to have you back. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: appreciate you having me, Sam. Good to be with you. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Give us, we've had you on a while back and I can't remember if it was just after you were convicted. I think it was shortly after you were convicted and you were going through the process because there was an interesting thing that happened. You were convicted and stop me if I get any of this wrong, but you were convicted for not getting the shot, which was illegal and unlawful to tell you to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To take it, but then not only were you convicted, you were given no punishment and wasn't there a recommendation to to dismiss the conviction, if I'm not mistaken. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, so the, I was convicted for [00:03:00] refusing to participate with the emergency use authorized masking testing and testing because I was unvaccinated. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And you're correct. The judge gave me no punishment and even recommended to the commanding general to. to drop the findings entirely. The findings, which over my shoulder here to drop them entirely and recommended that the commanding general do that. Now the commanding general obviously has the command authority to either. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Take that recommendation or not, he chose not to take that recommendation and instead use the conviction as means for justification of elimination from service after 17 years of active duty in which I served 14 years. Enlisted in the Air Force all the way up to E 7, Master Sergeant. And then I did a direct commission back in September of 2019 into the Medical Service Corps where I spent the last close to four years serving. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: So how many years total was that? [00:04:00] So I have just just under 17 and a half years total. Wow. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So just shy of... Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Just shy of that 18 year mark where they can, where you meet that I forget what they call it, but it's almost once you hit 18 years it's pretty hard to eliminate somebody at that point. But yeah, so they eliminated me and gave me a general discharge with. A characterization of unacceptable conduct for my refusing to participate with these products, but also refusing to, also trying to communicate the risks associated with these products and the whistleblowing activities. And all of that information that you and I worked with a little bit behind the scenes and submitting that information to Senator Ron Johnson's office, only to see the department of defense completely ignore a sitting Senator, which [00:05:00] was. It should be disturbing to every American listening to this right now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and the retaliation that you've received due to this whistleblowing. Whistleblower has there's actually an act, a whistleblower protection act, that prevents and makes it illegal for people to retaliate against you. And I would say all of this is retaliation. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, you're absolutely right. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And it specifically says an army regulation lays it out black and white that anytime a service member submits or communicates violations of regulation, violations of federal law, the constitution, or specific and substantial dangers to public health and safety, that's considered protected communication and covered under that statute that you just mentioned. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: But for the past three years, a chain of commands have. completely ignored what their service members have bringing to their attention, and instead have destroyed them and many of them have been, find themselves in the situation I [00:06:00] find myself in where, we've given a general discharge with this characterization and that has a far reaching impact. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so what does general discharge mean for the lay person? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, so you have different different characterizations. So you have honorable discharge. You have a general under honorable conditions, and then you have a general discharge other than honorable conditions, and then you have dishonorable discharge. And so what they're doing, what they've done with service members is given them a a general under honorable conditions for a lot of them, but gave them a characterization of like for mine, for example, was unacceptable conduct and some others was discharged for a a serious offense or something like that. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: So it goes along with for the lay person at home. It goes along with some of the [00:07:00] benefits that a service member may receive after being discharged. So an honorable discharge you maintain all your benefits your reemployment rights, your post 9 11 GI Bill and things like that. When you get a general discharge, those start to fall off, so I no longer get post 9 11 GI Bill, completely lost that, I lost re employment re employment I forget what the proper term is, but re employment rights, I guess you would call them and a few other things. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And then the farther you go, let's say you get a general other than honorable, then even more benefits drop off the table to where they start flagging you in a database to where if you happen to go purchase a firearm, a flag goes up on your record. Which is, so that's a little explanation on those characterizations. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When you say a rehiring that the limitation on the rehiring is that because there's a service member, you typically have [00:08:00] a slight advantage because you were a service member. Is that advantage taken away? Is that what that means? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, exactly. So if you wanted to get potentially apply for federal employment Your constructive credit. So mine, for example, the past years of service wouldn't apply to towards retirement or give me any benefits over another applicant that might be applying for the same job. They lose that as well. Yeah that's awful. And that's all for a lot of these service members. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, exactly. It's all for me doing my actual job as a medical officer trying to communicate risk, refusing, lawfully refusing and legally refusing to participate with these experimental products. Communicating properly to my chain of command and anybody who wants to see some of this documentation, they can go over to ff1776.[00:09:00] Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: com and click on Lieutenant Bashaw Saga and start with the article 138. That was my official complaint to my chain of command to perform a redress for the unlawful orders that we were receiving. And the, and then you can see the retaliation that ensued after that with the charges for a court martial sending me to a court martial and all the retaliation afterwards. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: So it's all there on that website again, ff1776. com. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I want you to say that throughout this so that we know how to get to you so we know how to, if you have a give send go set up, please share that. Often you got to say it at least three times so the people can remember so I can remember. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, for sure. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: I've got that over there as well. On that website. And like I said, I think the documentation, anybody who opens it up and reads it can get a good understanding on what was going on, what I was trying to communicate. And then what [00:10:00] happened to me after the fact Dr. Sam Sigoloff: can you give a Reader's Digest version, the highlights of some of the big egregious things that you can go through? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah. So after I submitted that protected communication of my chain of command, I was charged with disobeying. Disobeying orders so article 92 UCMJ, they call it disobeying orders. I was threatened with Leavenworth imprisonment. I was sent to a court martial, I was convicted, I was given no punishment, but the commanding general decided to use that as means for elimination. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: I was called an insider threat, and this was documented after I submitted medical data to a federal court case that showed 1100% increase in viral vaccine injuries in 2021 when the, when these injections, these experimental injections were rolled out among active component [00:11:00] service members and service members in general. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And yeah, they took my. Government computer for me strip me of all my access to all army public health center facilities. So I was banned from even going into my place of duty for 413 days. And my record was flagged for 573 days. A promotion was withheld from me after getting notified of promotion to captain. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: They withheld that promotion and family advocacy program was then. And then weaponized against my family. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You said you were deemed promotable, but you were never given your promotion. So that means that you were so good amongst your peers, that not only did you already reach E7, which is a feat in itself, but then you, amongst your peers, you were selected to be promoted to captain, but someone put something on your, put a flag on you that kept you from being actually promoted. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that? Am I hearing that correctly? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: That's correct. So I even got [00:12:00] emails and a notification from the two star two star medical service corps general who notified me of my promotion and said, congratulations. And this was only for me to be, later court martial. So I also got various different emails from different places notifying me of promotion only for it to be stripped away from me during the process of retaliation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And then let's talk about the it was a family advocacy that was in used as a hammer against you and your family. If it's okay to go into that, I know that some of those details might be a bit much to talk about here. And if you don't want to talk about it at all, I completely understand. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: No, it was completely egregious because what happened was I was trying to communicate the fact that at the childcare my son was going to that these kids were being forced to muzzle with these face diapers these experimental [00:13:00] masks. And then they were notifying their employees that if they were unvaccinated, they were forced to test. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And I was simply communicating the same thing I was communicating with my chain of command. The fact that these are experimental products, you must give the individual the right to accept or refuse. You cannot force these upon children at, and so that's what I was communicating anyway. A month goes by, CPS calls, and there's some bogus neglect case. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: That popped up. And then later on after that was unsubstantiated the commander decided to open up and bring forth a neglect case on the military side. So even after the local CPS unsubstantiated based upon no evidence whatsoever the command decided to bring one forth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So you were found. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not in any violation by Child Protective [00:14:00] Services, and then your commander said let's just hammer him again. Let's just use the military version of CPS. Just to make his life a little more difficult. Paraphrased, obviously. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what they were thinking because I notified him. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: I said, hey, this has been unsubstantiated. They decide to bring it forth. Based upon no evidence whatsoever. And it's just more of that coercive retaliation that we see across the board. And they did the same thing with the behavioral health. They escorted me to behavioral health appointment to, to for what reason is there was no probable cause as a commander to command, direct somebody to behavioral health. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: You have to have some sort of behavioral issues going on. You have to have some sort of. probable cause and They didn't and decided to weaponize that system as well. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is there any Blowback for the commander for that issue. Is there any like legal avenues that you have to [00:15:00] help prevent this from happening again? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: I certainly have standing in in a federal court, to my understanding, after going through all internal processes to obtain redress for this to no avail and then continuously being retaliated against for bringing this protected communication. So there's definitely an avenue there. And my goal at this point is to do is to conduct a discharge review board. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: At this point in time because prior to being eliminated, I went all the way through the Army Court of Criminal Appeals System and they just kept on Rev refusing to review my case, not even reviewing it, but refusing to review my case, denying me over and over again to the point where, I ended up emailing the Secretary of the Army directly after she authorized my elimination laying out the facts of the situation. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: The fact that you [00:16:00] can't force and coerce and manipulate people into participating with these experimental emergency use authorized products, but that's exactly what was going on. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: So after that, they ended up on substantiating the case. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. So after they unsubstantiated your FAP, your familial advocate, family advocacy program case did they leave you alone or did they try to mess with you more again? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: No. So they left me alone and they ended up unsubstantiating it. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: The commander ended up signing off on the closure letter, which arguably wasn't highly advised given the fact that there's known retaliation for the past. 473 days at that point. And then they proceeded to have an they handed back my access badge to me, but they didn't document the, they didn't document that process. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: They gave it [00:17:00] to an enlisted soldier to hand me back. And so it was it was really under the table Oh, give him his access badge back. And then I'm walking out the door after being After being counseled and getting my government computer back and things like that. And they have a sergeant first class hand made my access badge back to all the facilities after 473 days. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: It was just. It was complete insanity, but not, nothing was logical the past three years, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: so you're allowed back in there, because personally, I was escorted out as well. They took my badge. Still haven't gotten it back. Still not allowed in the building, even though there's a new commander. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's probably, that, that counseling has probably been removed now, but I'm not going to chance it because I don't want to get arrested or anything like that. But they allowed you back into the building after they gave you, or they didn't say anything. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, they just gave me my badge back and then tried to give me new duties new duties that were [00:18:00] completely unrelated to my actual specialty as a preventive medicine officer, entomologist, medical entomologist. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And yeah, I basically did more or less of that until they finally eliminated me on what was it, June 26? So Last week, Monday last week, I think it was my, yeah, Monday last week was my last day after 17 years of service. They they gave me my discharge papers, which I refused to sign because it's not a lawful discharge. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: None of this is lawful yeah. I refuse to sign and you see my DD 214 at the bottom, it says member refused to sign. I'm not going to sign something that's completely unlawful. And I have an oath to the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. And this is a complete foreign belligerence of our executive branch. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And anybody who doesn't realize that at this point in time and can't see the writing on the [00:19:00] wall. Now, I don't know what it's going to take for those individuals to see what's going on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: As part of that unlawful part of all of this, it's clearly unlawful because it all stems around emergency use products. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I also did an episode a while back with Todd Callender where he talks about the Secretary of Defense and not being able to FOIA a oath of office from the Secretary of Defense, meaning that every order that he's given, if true, there is... No legality to anything he's put out, Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: right? And then we have this this squatter in the White House, this puppet who's sitting there in the White House. Anybody who has a brain realizes the election was fraudulent at some point in time. And now we have the evidence coming out more and more. But even early on, we had. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: We had civilians going out of their ways to write affidavits of truth to to tell, to show the American [00:20:00] people, to show, to file this, the fact that they were seeing fraudulent activity. And now this guy comes in with all of his quid pro quo whatever connections in Ukraine and China and everywhere else. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And then we see the unlawful orders start coming down to the force. And being weaponized against these products being weaponized against the force almost immediately. And so I actually, I just released a, I just submitted a declaration to Senator Ron Johnson's office on. What was it June 6, 2023 that shows that the public health apparatus was running psychological operations against service members to increase uptake of these injections and decrease the possibility for for exemptions that were, that we're going to possibly come through. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And so they started this program. It was called the COVID 19 vaccine perception [00:21:00] management program. The public health apparatus started this program in February, 2021. And basically their target was individuals like yourself. Doctors at the local military treatment facility level. And what they would do was they would create informants out of them, record their conversations, and they would get a read on the patient population's perception towards the injections. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: So for example, if somebody, a pregnant woman came in to her physician, a pregnant service member came in to her physician, and she had concerns about. The vaccinations X, Y, and Z because of whatever her concerns were, they would take those perceptions that she had and they would weaponize a risk communication strategy to. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: To increase the uptake. So basically, take the information, whether it was legitimate or not, that this [00:22:00] individual, her concerns and basically say, oh, no, that's, that's not a concern, safe and effective for pregnant women, or or women who want to get pregnant in the future, or... The infertility issue, it's not an issue and they would basically counter those perceptions with this psychological operations that they were running at the strategic level and push it down through the flight surgeons and public health personnel at the military treatment facility levels, local level. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They made videos at the beginning of all this. That we were required to watch this propaganda if we decided to refuse this shot, this EUA shot. Is that part of the same propaganda? Because it seemed like propaganda when I watched it. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, so it evolved. So it, initially this program came out in February 2021. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And if we remember at the time, [00:23:00] in February 2021, there was no mandate. But they were still, they still had this perception management project going to shape the perception towards these injections because nobody, majority of service members didn't want to participate with this. And so they were trying to shape that perception to increase the uptake. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: But when the mandate, just before the mandate came out in July, 2021, what they did was, and this is in the evidence that I provided to Senator Johnson's office. Their goal was to, they said it in the communication, to decrease the percentage of exemptions that service members would file. And and just increase uptake. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: But here's the thing. Nothing about that is scientific, nothing about that is a health that is purely a psychological operation, because if we're talking science, we're talking the scientific method, [00:24:00] and we know these products are experimental, we know their emergency use authorized. We know you, you have to provide proper informed consent. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: That's the proper way to do it, right? Look at what happened to you. You tried to provide informed consent. You tried to... Provide exemptions to your service members and got absolutely crushed in the process and we wonder why They had a perception management project going. It was a psychological operation that was weaponized against service members and doctors like yourself who didn't go along and properly applied the scientific method of the first thing to a scientific method is question and build a hypothesis that was completely devoid in their programs. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: It was, if you and I want to highlight this again, FF. 1776. com. You can go over there. It's the second file from the bottom and Lieutenant Bashaw saga. You can read this [00:25:00] whistleblower declaration and what they were doing with this perception management project. But It was all hands on deck, let's weaponize the information, whether it was social media, whether it was senior leaders, get senior leader buy in to, to push this upon service members. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: It's no surprise to us because we've lived it. We were. We were the targets of this program, but I think for the average American to hear this, to read this information, to read this documentation, it's quite startling how the Department of Defense, how their hands were in every aspect of what I call a Hegelian dialect, which is a problem reaction solution. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And they didn't want to talk about the real problems which is mental health, which is which is proper nutrition, which is the holistic approach to health. They don't want to talk about that. [00:26:00] All they wanted to talk, which is hydroxychloroquine, possibly ivermectin, some therapeutics. They didn't want to talk about any of that. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: It was simply shots in arms, psychological operations problem reaction solution. And it was very evident for anybody who was paying attention in the very beginning that was the case. But for the average person that's coming along now to realize. It just came out yesterday, I believe, that in a federal court the government was targeting social media were. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Side by side with these social media executives in their companies and censoring individuals like yourself and myself who just might happen to share some information about the FDA documents, for example, or there's data on Twitter that was being cut down by our own government was censoring that information, so they had their hands in the problem, [00:27:00] the reaction and the solution. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: All the way around full circle. And now we're dealing with the problem, which is the problems from these injections. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's interesting. Let me have you say your website one more time. And then there's a point that I want to bring up just because I can't remember the website. What's the website. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yes. Yeah, FF1776. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: com. You can get there also through FreedomFighter1776. com, but I've made it easy and just FF1776. com, it'll automatically bring you to FreedomFighter1776. com where you can click the menu, you can click Lieutenant Bashaw Saga and read all these things. declarations, all these complaints and court documents, transcripts and things like that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's FF as in Foxtrot one seven seven six dot com FF one seven seven six dot com. Okay. Just so people remember.[00:28:00] What I wanted to tell you was. Is when I first got my onboarding at this duty station that I'm at now at Fort Huachuca at the time, the hospital commander she met with me, the whole meet and greet when you first get a new commander, man, I wish I knew more. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I wish I was more wise in the ways of the world and I wish I had a video or audio recorder on me at the time as Arizona is a single party state. But she told me, how are we to know what the truth is when the White House is suppressing speech? My response? Ma'am. That's my boss. We can't be talking about my boss like that, even though it's your boss as well. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And she certainly showed later that her face was a different face. And she came down on me hard like a hammer to destroy any, anything that disagreed with the propaganda. But I wish at that time I knew how the world worked so that I could have had a recorder with me to show how that is disparaging remarks to the president of the United States.[00:29:00] Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, there's a lot of that out there. Yeah, it's incredible the I, sometimes I'm just left speechless. I don't know what to say. It's crazy. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But she's now been taken out of command after two years of command, which typically most commanders are in there for three years. So I don't know, maybe she got promoted. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Maybe she got relieved. I don't know any of the particulars of that situation. All I know is she's no longer the commander after two years. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, I'm sure she'll get promoted. With this upside down world we're living in and this up is down is up. I'm sure she'll get promoted. That's my pessimistic attitude coming through. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: There's an optimistic side of me. But that's my pessimistic side of it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm hoping that eventually all these people will be breaking smaller rock, or big rocks into smaller rocks and will be restored. But we'll have to wait for that day. [00:30:00] Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, Lord willing. God will have his vengeance. That's all I got to say to that. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: God will certainly have his vengeance. And The thing is the entire time, I've been working with you for quite a while and the many other service members who have been retaliated against the entire time we've been communicating with these individuals like, Hey you're breaking the law. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Here's your chance to work with us instead of against us. And they chose to just destroy us. But my God is so much bigger that, I'm not worried about a 20 year retirement. I was worried about glorifying my God and carrying out my oath of office. And making sure I didn't break the law, but communicate when I saw those issues so I could perform a redress properly so we could work together instead of against one another. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And what I witnessed was service members with the same uniform, destroying me for the past 573 days. [00:31:00] Yeah. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's almost as if truth is not allowed in the military at this point. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: They're just dull. And it's crazy because being in the scientific medical field, that, that's the basis, when you're looking at like vector borne disease or risk communication strategies, you're having to evaluate this information, the signals, safety signals, medical signals and promote a proper risk communication strategy to protect service members, but that was yeah. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: That's been completely thrown out the window with this plandemic, I call it from the start. We can go back to the PCR testing and all that stuff, which is highly manipulated. We know the department of defense was running these tests at 45 cycles. It creates an immense amount of false positive but not just the department of defense. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Look at these hospitals and these various hospitals that were running [00:32:00] these at immensely high thresholds and it was all incentivized. To do so by the government because they were paying these stimuluses For positives and all this other stuff during a this quote unquote emergency Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, and being in on your side of it Do you have a much more clear view of that with your history and what you do for medicine? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, and I would attribute that to my experience in the air force. When I was in the air force, I dealt with a lot of real problems and had to implement real solutions and I would need to understand the problem. So when I was in the air force, I did civil engineering, pest management. Vector borne disease entomology type work. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And if you didn't understand the problem you were facing with, you would have to go out and reapply [00:33:00] a new strategy. And so it was very advantageous to do a proper inspection investigative work to figure out what we were dealing with and how we could effectively implement a solution. And there's a right way of going about it and there's a wrong way of going about it, particularly there's a psychological aspect, for example, when I was in Africa. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: There was black mambas and black mambas are the fifth deadliest snake. They're their world's fastest snake. And the psychological aspect is this, the improper way for me to take care of the service members at that location would. Would be through fear. I, and that's Hey guys, you gotta be careful. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: We got black mambas fifth world's deadliest snake. They're the world's fastest snake. If you get bit by one of these, you're going to die. And if you get the anti venom, there's only a 50% chance of living, right? Which all of that is [00:34:00] true, but. But it's not completely the whole story. And so the proper way to go about it is, yes, we do have Black Mambas here, but the Black Mambas are more afraid of you than you are of them. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And more times than not, they're gonna go the opposite way. It is important to stay Cognizant of your surroundings. And if you see one of these reported so we can come over, we can look at it, we can do an inspection and what we'll do in that inspection is we'll make sure, we'll look at the cracks and crevices and the avenues of entrance and we'll help you out where we can. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And the best way to kill a snake is to cut the head of the snake off. And sometimes you had to go in and cut the head of the snake off. And so we would do that. That was my primary mission was to deal with these problems and implement proper solutions. So those service members can carry out their mission and not have to worry about a black mamba in their room [00:35:00] while they sleep or whatever the case is. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: There's many different examples. So when we apply this to the public health apparatus. It's not that at all. It's fear. We've got a deadly virus and the only solution is going to be an injection. And that is so far from the truth. It's ridiculous. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: First off, we need, we still don't even understand what we're dealing with here because we're using a faulty PCR method to categorize this, whatever the body's going through what is it going through? What is it being? Is it a virus? Is it a disease or is your body detoxifying from elements in the environment, whether it's the water you drink the air you breathe or the food you intake, right? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And so we've got the test to where we can categorize the body and say, you've got COVID 19 because we ran it at 45 cycle thresholds. And [00:36:00] then you've got the media in your back pocket with the reaction, and then you swoop in with the solution, which is this another beginning to a problem, which is an injection that doesn't work and has been incredibly. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Dangerous and deadly, or at the very least injurious to the person who participates. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'd go even a little bit further and have the listener go back and listen to the episode I did called in the COVID with Alex Zek and or in COVID with Alex Zek and in there, he gets into our viruses, what we think they are they a thing or are they something else? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Are they some anomaly that we see everywhere that we're looking at incorrectly? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, no, that's correct. And I believe, yeah, I believe the answer is somewhere in the middle. I don't, I think you have to take a holistic approach. I, you, in my opinion, again, that's just my opinion. That's just my thoughts. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: I, [00:37:00] you have to, from my experience, taking a holistic approach to something is a much better outcome than saying, Oh, Hey, it's this. It's this, and it's only this, and this is what, no, I'm sorry, but nope, I just don't buy into it. I don't buy into that fear propaganda. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think that's, I think you're absolutely right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The answer is in the middle. And when you buy into the fear, you're more susceptible to become ill because your body gets dragged down and it can't fight whatever is there or whatever toxin is there, whether it be a virus or not a virus. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, you're absolutely right. It puts a stressors on your body and it just creates an environment. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Ready to create some sort of process to where you're having symptomologies, whether it's headaches runny noses your body's trying to get rid of that stuff, trying to purify itself. But that's the beautiful thing [00:38:00] about spirituality and the fact that this is largely a spiritual warfare that we're in me personally, when I submit to my Lord and Savior and I asked for that divine providence the power of God is amazing and the ability God has to heal oneself in the individual is, it's second to none it's but there are other options out there on the table. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: It's just, we're not even discussing them as a medical community. We're not talking about holistic approaches. We're not talking about healthy lifestyles. We're not talking about any of that inside the military. It's, and in the medical mill, industrial complex in general is not talking about that. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And that's why a lot of doctors have left and gone off to do their independent thing, which, I think more of that needs to happen because at the end of the day, those are the individuals I want to work with. I want to discuss with, [00:39:00] I want, if I'm going through something, be able to go to them for assistance and help versus this mainstream establishment that. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Has nothing to do with helping oneself heal, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: right? It's about take what we're going to give you and you can't have your freedoms until we give it to you. That's not freedom, right? That's slavery. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's complete and utter slavery and just, tyranny. And for the service members out there some, for the service members out there at what point in our documentation in that contract we sign, whether it's a, whether it's our oath of office, which is an official document, it's a department of the army form 71, or if you're enlisted out there. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Which is a department of defense form four. That's your oath of enlistment. What part of that document, open it up, find it, look at it, read it. And what part of that document [00:40:00] says, when you sign that dotted line, you lose your rights, your God given rights. What part of that document says that you become the property of another man. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Or woman what part of that document says that another man or woman can administer right with a property without right? None of that does. And that's the beautiful thing about an all volunteer force. It's an all volunteer force. We all voluntarily raised our right hand, signed that dotted line to support and defend the Constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: But at no point in time do we lose those constitutional those God given rights, we are to secure those rights. Those rights aren't even given to us by the Constitution. They are God given, unalienable rights, which is unalienable. A lien cannot be placed upon those rights. And those rights are your [00:41:00] property. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: So again, what part of your documentation, when you signed up to serve show me where it says you signed away those rights. It wouldn't make sense because that's why we serve. We serve to secure those rights. We serve to protect defend and protect the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: And it surely looks the past the past two years plus that we have a domestic foreign belligerence within our ranks. And get your minds right. Get your minds right and you better whip out that book that Dr. Sam Sieloff raised up there, the Constitution, and read it and understand it because that's exactly the only legitimate contract you have, is to support and defend that contract, which is between the we, the people in our form of government. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's beautiful. That's exactly right. We never give up any rights, and our rights don't come from any [00:42:00] state. They don't come from any other man or woman. They come from God. And if you're not a believer in, in, in a god, they come from the mere fact that you are a human. That you are alive. It doesn't matter what state of being you're at, you could be mentally incapable. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You could be a single cell human. There are single cell humans out there, and they're gaining more cells as seconds progress. They have the same rights as you and I do. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, in the beginning, God created man and woman, and he gave man, woman, dominion over the water, Genesis 1, 26 through 28, go read it but if you don't know who you are. In a man or a woman, how could you possibly stand upon your God given, unalienable rights? When you think you're a woman, when you're an actually born biological male, how could you stand upon your unalienable, God given rights? Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: You're turning yourself into a [00:43:00] slave is what you're doing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you're lying. You're lying to yourself and you're forcing others around you to lie. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yeah, it's a big illusion. It's a demonic illusion. It's a deception. It's not real. It's fake. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, Mark. This has been great. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Thank you so much for coming. It's always great talking to you, Sam. I think that is a perfect place to stop. God bless you. I Dr. Sam Sigoloff: can't see topping what you just said. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So people can find you at, tell me one more time, in case anybody wasn't listening. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Yep freedomfighter1776. com or ff1776. com Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we'll be praying for you, I'll be praying for you. And if there, I hope that you'll have some legal [00:44:00] recourse in the near future where you can set all this right. And if not definitely God will make all this right someday. Former 1LT Mark Bashaw: Appreciate it, God bless you Sam. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: God bless you, thank you. 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Even though faking the moon landing killed more people than 9 11, and even the Kennedy assassination witness list, it's the one that would probably bring about the most change in the government because it would outrage. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue, so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his, and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty, or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. [00:01:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I first want to start thanking all of my patreon supporters shell pace at 50 a month Anonymous family donor at 20 and 20 cents a month. We've got the pandemic reprimando at 17 and 76 cents and there we have Ty Charles tinfoil Stanley. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Anna Frank Brian We have a self made level at 10 with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned 5 level with Linda, Emmy, Joe, Pat, and Bev. PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken. Frank has made his own level at 1. 50 a month. And then The Courage is Contagious at 1 a month. Amanda, Jay, SpessNasty, Darrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much for all the support that you've given me. It's truly been very helpful in knowing that this is... Needed content and helping me fight this fight. If you are unable to become a patron supporter, please consider prayers and giving a gift saying go that my wife has set up. The next, the guest that I have today is amazing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: His name is Bart Sabrell and he. [00:02:00] Directed a movie called, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. He also did a movie called, Astronauts Gone Wild, which is not like some of those other Gone Wild movies out there, but there is someone that gets punched in the face, and maybe we can get him to talk about that a little bit. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then, a book that I just recently finished called, Moon Man. Now, sir, what is your your premise in these books and what's the direction you're going? Because it's a novel topic that many people haven't heard of. Bart Sibrel: I think people have heard of it, but they just haven't pondered it seriously. Bart Sibrel: The term conspiracy theory, was created by the CIA in the 60s. To make people who think that Oswald did not kill Kennedy talk about them in a derogatory way. The fact is, half of all crimes are more. Our conspiracies half are done in the heat and the passion of the moment and the other half are plotted out in advance. Bart Sibrel: If you really think about it, probably more crimes are plotted out in advance than are passion crimes. So [00:03:00] conspiracy is a federal term. It's a federal indictment often used against gangsters. And when our federal government has become gangsters, which is basically murderers and embezzlers, which they are, then they conspire. Bart Sibrel: to pull off their crimes. And so the term conspiracy theory came about and you could say Kim Trails could be in that or whether modification could be that, although both of those things are factual. The, you could say quintessential. Conspiracy theory is the one that the moon landings were filmed on Earth in a TV studio. Bart Sibrel: And, as someone who grew up believing in the moon landing wholeheartedly to the point of having a shrine, of them in my home, wherever I went, a dedicated area of Apollo 11 pictures. I assumed they were real. And then when I found out that they were not, what's really shocking, Sam, is [00:04:00] this most preposterous thing that the government is so arrogant to fake the moon landing is actually true. Bart Sibrel: And I know you talk of things from a biblical nature, and when I was first asked, To produce this movie. Basically I as a 14 year old up until, from age four to 14 was when I was four, when they allegedly walked on the moon and got a picture of my father from my father who was in the Air Force. Bart Sibrel: This packet. 9x12 color prints and I cherished them and built a shrine. Every bedroom I moved to, which you know in the military is every couple of years, had that shrine to Apollo 11. So when I'm 14, I see a former contractor for Rocketdyne, who worked on the Apollo program for six years with very high security clearance, say they couldn't do it, so they bluffed like in poker. Bart Sibrel: I'm an open minded 14 year old, so I go back to my bedroom shrine, [00:05:00] look at these pictures with... A little bit more critically than I had before, and sure enough, you can see where the real soil ended and the fake backdrop began quite easily in the older pictures because they have since color corrected them. Bart Sibrel: The original ones had the moon's soil, caramel brown, which it actually is, and the backdrop kind of, grayish blue. They now make the soil grayish blue in all the moon pictures, but in the original ones, if you can find them, it's a very caramel brown, so makes it pretty easy to discern where the real Earth is and the fake backdrop begins. Bart Sibrel: And so that kind of planted a seed in my mind, and if you fast forward ten years into the story, at 24, I'd become a filmmaker. Making fake pictures look real is the whole point of the job, right? That's what filmmakers do, they make fake scenes look real. And I was producing or editing a program for the guy Who had [00:06:00] produced the show. Bart Sibrel: I saw it 10 years earlier as a 14 year old. And was like, who was that guy on your show who said we didn't go to the moon? He put me in touch with them and he suggested as a filmmaker, I produce a film about it. And after investigating it first for about six months, and finding incredible inconsistencies in the picture. Bart Sibrel: Really, you can prove the moon landings are fake with one picture. I could share the screen or you could add it in later. But it's a picture where they claim is on the moon where the shadow of the astronauts going in the 12 o'clock direction and a shadow of a rock about 5 feet away. It's going at 9 o'clock. Bart Sibrel: A 90 degree difference in shadows from objects 5 feet apart, where if you go out in your front yard and two friends stand beside one another on a cloudless day, you'll see your shadows of your body always run parallel and it's impossible for them to intersect because the sun is 93 million miles away. Bart Sibrel: So to claim that this picture was taken in sunlight [00:07:00] is completely false. So really, you can prove it legally, ethnically, and scientifically. That the moon missions are fake when you have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees from objects 5 feet apart. If you add to that the fact that the Soviets launched everything first animal, first satellite, first man, first woman, first spacewalk, and they had 500% more man hours in space than we did, and we suddenly went from being in space for 15 minutes to walking on the moon. Bart Sibrel: And eight and a half years, it seems a little bit odd when it can't be repeated 50 years later. And then the behavior of the astronauts is really bizarre. And then there's so many, things that stand out that when I first realized it could very well be true that they faked it, I turned it down for fear of my life. Bart Sibrel: And because I thought, if the CIA or whoever did fake it and I start overturning these rocks, it [00:08:00] could be hazardous to my health. I originally turned down the project. And then, a few years later, a client challenged me to read the Bible, which I did. I got a one year Bible and read the Bible five times from cover to cover. Bart Sibrel: over the next five years, and I came to the conviction that, first of all, there is right or wrong. It makes sense, there's a judgment for what we do in this world. And, I realized, if they did fake the moon landing, that's actually more profound historically than if they'd actually gone. Do you see that? Bart Sibrel: Either they planted a flag on a rock, came back, or... They deceived the whole world. It's mankind's greatest accomplishment by allegedly the, the shining light country on the earth. And it's all a forgery, embezzlement, murder to cover it up, lying to history, lying to their citizens, if that's true. Bart Sibrel: That's actually much more profound historically than if they'd [00:09:00] actually gone. And when you realize, as I gradually did, that they really did fake it, it just blows your mind. When I changed my mind, I said, I'm gonna die anyway. And you might as well go out in a blaze of glory for a just cause. And I changed my mind, and as serendipity would have it, a few days later, I met a millionaire who builds rockets for NASA, who knows the moon missions are fake. Bart Sibrel: He gave me a million dollars to produce these films, and I still said they probably went, but you never know. And then three and a half years into the seven year project, I pop in a tape, it says don't show to the public, it's behind the scenes, unedited footage, dated two days into the flight, of them faking being halfway to the moon with a one foot model. Bart Sibrel: And the CIA on a third track of audio telling him how to fake a four second radio delay. And when I saw that, Sam, I'm like, oh my gosh, they really [00:10:00] did fake the moon landing. And I just was horrified that mankind would stoop so low, be so lost, that they would do such a thing. And for the most incredible conspiracy theory to be true... Bart Sibrel: I think this is the fear of the government of it coming out, even though faking the moon landing killed more people than 9 11, and even the Kennedy assassination witness list, it's the one that would probably bring about the most change in the government, because it would outrage. the public, because whoever did 9 11, all those people are dead. Bart Sibrel: Whoever killed Kennedy, he's still dead. But this is a positive lie. Taking that away, taking that candy away, taking Santa Claus for adults away, and telling them it's all a lie, giving them a turd in place of their candy, I think there would be outrage. In fact, a news director at NBC Saw the footage I uncovered, agreed [00:11:00] 100%, it conclusively proved that they did not go to the moon, refused to broadcast it for fear it would cause a civil war. Bart Sibrel: He says, I'm not gonna go down in history as the man who caused the second American Civil War, because he figured the American public would be so outraged. And that's why to this day you type in moon landing fraud On Google, you don't get anything about the fraud. You get a thousand links about how no, we really went. Bart Sibrel: Come on. If I went around saying that Mickey Mouse was the first president instead of George Washington, do you really think there'd be a thousand videos to refute me? Come on. And something made out of straw has to be constantly supported and that's what they're doing and thanks for letting me ramble on. Bart Sibrel: Sam, I'll let you ask your next question. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, this is great. And, I just want to put this in context because it was a funny encounter I had with another guest who said something because, I like looking at what, at things that other [00:12:00] people feel uncomfortable looking at ever since I've had. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I gave you a background of my story. But ever since I've had the mask taken off of me and I've been able to see the truth with diet we didn't talk about that, but many of my listeners, viewers know that I have a very different opinion on diet, and I learned nothing in med school, and then with the whole COVID vaccine issue my opinion on vaccines has significantly changed, and then I start looking into different subjects, and I've actually had one guest say to me, in reference to another guest I've had on, tinfoil hat. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm not saying that about you, it's just, it's, The thing that he was talking about, people might say that he needs a tinfoil hat, but what we need to do is not come to the table with our conclusions that, oh, this is crazy because I saw it, I knew it, this is what I was taught. Maybe there's more to it, especially when you show things that, to me, would be proof. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Every one of the things that you've mentioned seems like it would be proof that you could use in a court, unless you can defy physics in certain places like those pictures, where the light intersects. Bart Sibrel: This is the. Yeah, a lot of these [00:13:00] films, my book that you mentioned is interactive, there's 16 video clips. Bart Sibrel: I write a chapter and I say now go to sobrell. com and watch clip number one, clip number two. All these clips are available for free, to watch at sobrell. com. If you want to buy the book, it's on audio, which I read, Kindle or print. And yeah, we actually have four times the proof that would prove it in a court of law. Bart Sibrel: All we have to do is get a jury and say let's go outside and see if we can get somebody standing and put a rock five feet away and see if we can get these shadows to intersect at ninety degrees and you can't. And then you go into the courtroom, turn off all the lights, bring in a studio light, have a person stand in the 12 o'clock position to the light, put a rock over in the 9 o'clock, and you'll see, oh, okay now we see that it can only be duplicated with an electrical light, which means they're on Earth. Bart Sibrel: So that proves it. Secondly, NASA today, we're talking about with five decades, better rockets and [00:14:00] computers, the farthest they can send a human being into outer space, is 250 miles. The moon is one thousand times farther away. That's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon now. So what they're really claiming is, in 1969, when all of NASA's computer power combined had one millionth the processing power of a cell phone, they sent astronauts on the first attempt ahead of schedule, one thousand times farther. Bart Sibrel: Then NASA can send astronauts today with 50 years better rockets and computers. So they're saying that they had 1, 000 times greater technology in the past than in the future, but you can't have greater technology in the past according to historical precedent and science, which means the claim. It's a forgery. Bart Sibrel: That's what it means. [00:15:00] And then the third proof is this classified footage that I uncovered. You can see it for free at Sibrell. com. They claim this is the Earth floating in space. The lights come up, and it's a one foot model. And there are the astronauts, and it's dated two days after they left. And you hear a third track of audio of the CIA telling them to fake a four second radio delay to make it look like they're halfway to the moon when they're still in Earth orbit. Bart Sibrel: And two news directors... Agreed. It proves they didn't go to the moon. And then we have, revealed for the first time in the book Moon Man, the deathbed confession of the chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base, who I witnessed the filming of the fake moon landing June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 1968. If I am in court and I say I saw Sam shoot that person, I think they take it very seriously. Bart Sibrel: And so an eyewitness testimony is doubly powerful when it's a deathbed confession. [00:16:00] And not only this, he also confessed that he murdered a person. This guy said, as he's dying, trying to get right with God. Fearing hell, said dear Lord and my son, who he's talking to as he's dying, I killed another person. I killed a fellow worker at Cannon Air Force Base because he eyewitnessed the faking of the moon landing fraud and he was gonna tell a reporter. Bart Sibrel: And I killed him to keep it a secret. You don't make that stuff up as you're dying, do you? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And telling your son, like your son would, like if it were my dad telling me that, I'd be more willing to not. Publish that information because it puts my father in a poor light. It seems like it was that important that this son divulges that information because it's that important. Bart Sibrel: Yeah. I didn't put the murder in the book because his son was still alive and didn't want to deal with it. He was dying himself. When I was writing the book, so [00:17:00] now that he has died, I'm free to tell that information. There's a lot of stuff in the book that I did not put in the film if anything happened on the way to the moon, because certain people asked me to wait until after their death, including the murder of the crew of Apollo 1, who was gonna be the first crew on the moon, and this isn't my opinion. Bart Sibrel: If Bobby Kennedy... Junior, okay, who has access, more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone, says that his uncle was killed by the CIA. You better believe it. And if the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon tells you that on January 26, 1967, her husband comes home, who was a whistleblower, who complained publicly on TV that NASA was 10 years away from going to the moon. Bart Sibrel: He said, hon, for some strange reason the CIA is all over the launch pad [00:18:00] today, monkeying with the equipment. I wonder why. Never seen them here today for the first time. Why are they here? Next day, the guy's dead from faulty equipment. His widow told me he was murdered by the CIA. His son, 747 pilot, said he was murdered by the CIA. Bart Sibrel: So we have the government killing their own people in a country that's founded On the principle that when any government becomes destructive of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, they need to be altered or abolished. They're murdering their own people. Not my opinion. Opinion of the dead man's widow. Bart Sibrel: In fact, Robert McNamara, Defense Secretary during the Vietnam War, who said the public isn't behind this. What are we gonna do? We need a Pearl Harbor event. He says he and the CIA just made up the Gulf of Tonkin incident of an alleged attack on an American ship. It never happened, he said, as he was dying. Bart Sibrel: That led to the [00:19:00] death of 3 million people, including 58, 220 Americans. So I think if they're willing to kill their own president, willing to kill their own astronauts, willing to kill 58, 200 of their own soldiers, I think they're willing to fake an image on TV. But what this means is, this is our government. Bart Sibrel: They are murderers and embezzlers, right? They are destroying life, killing their own people. They're destroying liberty. I have to ask permission to have more than four people at my son's birthday party in California. And if I have five people there instead of four, they will turn off my electricity and drag me off to jail. Bart Sibrel: That is slavery, not freedom. I have to ask permission to open my business, ask permission to go shopping. That's slavery. How is that freedom? It's the exact opposite of freedom. So they've taken away [00:20:00] life, they've taken away liberty, and if the pursuit of happiness is going to church or opening my business, they've taken that away. Bart Sibrel: I don't care if 9 people are dropping dead. It is my right to go shopping under those circumstances or to open my business under those circumstances. After all, 10% of the people are still alive. They need to buy tuna fish and toilet paper. Can't I sell it to them? This is ridiculous. And as a doctor, I'm sure you know something that many people don't know. Bart Sibrel: We're told we're the most free nation on earth when we're the most enslaved. And we're told we have the best health care in the world when it's the worst. Because if you remove... heart disease and cancer from the number one and number two cause of death, number three is medical malpractice. It's a statistical fact. Bart Sibrel: And then, you have seventy percent of Americans taking prescription medicine. That means that seventy percent of Americans [00:21:00] are sick all the time. If there's any nation on earth That has 70% of their people sick all the time. That country has the worst healthcare in the world. Absolutely. And we're told it's the best. Bart Sibrel: It just boggles the mind. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I actually had a doctor chastise me because I had a patient. I saw the patient, and this guy was reviewing my chart, and I saw the patient, and he said, Oh, you took them off their blood pressure medication and their statins. Basically, how dare you? And it's isn't that our goal as primary care, as family medicine physicians? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To get people healthy so they don't need medications? Seemingly not. Seemingly it's to put them on more medications. Bart Sibrel: Did you say that to that individual? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Didn't quite have the opportunity to. I can't divulge the particulars of that situation. Bart Sibrel: No, but did you give them that rebuttal? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: In the best way that I could at the time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. And the patient was happy, like the patient had normal blood pressure. Bart Sibrel: What was their response, what was their response to your rebuttal? [00:22:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Unfortunately, there was no back and forth, just the situation the way it played out. But the patient, their blood pressure was normal that day when I, and they hadn't taken it for weeks when I took them off of it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They were already off of it, and if you put someone on a blood pressure medication when they have normal blood pressure, they'll pass out and hurt themselves, bounce their head off the ground. Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I don't know. It seems weird. And this is harder for people to see the moon landing fraud because they fallen in love with it. Bart Sibrel: They, it is that candy. It's that Santa Claus for adults. And the longer it goes on that they claim they could play golf. And drive cars on the moon in the 60s, but today the best we can do is only orbit the moon with mannequins. Something's wrong with this picture. And and it just epitomizes just the total corruption and arrogance of the federal government. Bart Sibrel: And I don't know what to say. You know the [00:23:00] Bible. When Jesus warns, I think it's in Matthew 25, that the tribulation in the last days will be greater. I believe because we'll have multiple tribulations going on simultaneously. We'll have pandemics, food shortages, war, earthquakes, and meteor showers all going on at the same time, in my opinion. Bart Sibrel: And then he says, unless God intervenes, No one will be saved. So I interpret that to mean that the evil people who run the world They're gonna succeed and they're gonna gain the world and lose their soul technically honest people in government in society could Change their government, but I don't think it's gonna happen. Bart Sibrel: No offense Sam. I could do 300 push ups a day That's not gonna happen right now And you go to any restaurant, you see this Sam, go to any restaurant, get up, walk around. And [00:24:00] 90% of the people at the tables have their faces in their cell phone instead of talking to the person next to them that they went to the restaurant to have fellowship with. Bart Sibrel: How can we, when we watch two and a half weeks of television per month, two and a half work weeks worth of time, change the world? We're literally hypnotized. All that we heard, we're hypnotizing ourselves. Everyone lives in a virtual reality. And then the sad thing is I have a nephew. I go over to his house, I'm like his favorite, Uncle Bart. Bart Sibrel: And then as soon as I get a hug, he sits beside me on the couch, watching videos on a cell phone on YouTube. So I'm sorry, and I'm like, you don't want to talk to people here with your favorite uncle. What's happened to people and it's making people crazy is what it's doing. And when you're like that, you cannot perceive the truth and how ironic, the film, which you can see for free. Bart Sibrel: It's a braille dot com. A funny thing happened [00:25:00] on the way to the moon. financed a million dollars by someone who builds rockets for NASA who knows the moon missions are fake, it opens up with the Tower of Babel. To boast, it says Genesis 6 to be the best, the nation, the tallest building in the world, never finished. Bart Sibrel: And the Titanic, in 1912, the largest machine ever built by the hand of man, they put in publicity posters. The ship that God himself could not sink. I think God rebuked that. Also, never finished. And then tricky Dick Nixon, when he knew they were not on the moon, said anyway. Putting a man on the moon is the greatest event since God made the universe. Bart Sibrel: How about that? How ironic, in our fallen world, that world leaders, knowing they're not on the moon, have the arrogance to say that, and that mankind's greatest accomplishment is a [00:26:00] complete lie, in a world run by, Satan. I remember once, Sam, I went to a midweek at a church, where, if you go to midweek, it's a little more interactive, it's not like... Bart Sibrel: On the Sabbath, whatever day that is for you. Where you basically listen, it's more interchange. And the preacher on a Wednesday said Who's the Lord of the Earth? And everyone's Jesus! And he says, Wrong. Read your Bible. Luke chapter 4. He's being tempted. Satan takes him to a tall, pinnacle of a mountain, and says, bow down and worship Satan, and he'll give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, because they belong to Satan, and he can give them to his people. Bart Sibrel: That's why the world leaders are corrupt. They kill and steal and destroy and lie. A guy's running for president, says, I will not make. Medicine mandatory, I promise. Six weeks later, he makes it mandatory. Why [00:27:00] isn't it a law that if a politician makes a pledge and doesn't fulfill it, they are immediately thrown in jail for lying and kicked out of office? Bart Sibrel: That would be a good law. It would be a fair law, right? It just boggles the mind. 90% of Americans wanted to know whether their ketchup or oatmeal contained genetically modified ingredients. GMO labeling. 90% of Americans wanted it. The president vetoed it. Now, I thought a democracy was 51% having their way. Bart Sibrel: 90% cannot have their way. Congress and the Senate didn't vote to fake the moon landing and to kill President Kennedy. They did it anyway. So voting is meaningless. Just ask Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders if an outsider can ascend to the top. And they will not let that happen. I don't see how it's legal for Bernie Sanders to receive [00:28:00] twice as many votes as Clinton, and yet she gets more delegates anyway. Bart Sibrel: How can that possibly be legal? And when someone leaks out that information, it's being rigged. The FBI doesn't go after the rigging of an election. They go after the person who leaked the rigging of the election. That's who the FBI targeted. This is our country. William Benny works for the NSA for 30 years. Bart Sibrel: Goes on national television. Says, Oh, by the way, we spy on the private cell phone conversations of Supreme Court justices in order to get financial and sexual impropriety on them so that we can blackmail them to vote the way we tell them. It's an established fact, not a single investigation by Congress or the Justice Department into Supreme Court justices being blackmailed by the NSA, which no one contradicted as not being true. Bart Sibrel: This is our country. How? What is going [00:29:00] on? So faking an image on a television is nothing compared to blackmailing Supreme Court justices, killing astronauts, killing presidents, killing veterans without cause. And it goes on and on. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. That's just an amazing summary because I'll give you my quick example. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm one of three, actually to Three others, so there's a total of four of us Defense Military Epidemiologic Database Whistleblowers. And so what we said is, hey, there is a huge safety signal here. We're seeing a thousand percent increase in this diagnosis. We're seeing a four hundred percent increase in cancers and deep vein thrombosis and all these issues. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And these are... only in active duty service members, and we came out with that information. And Senator Ron Johnson wrote a letter to the secretary of defense. He said, preserve this information, keep it safe. And I need to look into it. And then about a week later, the database was taken down. The entire thing was changed and then put back up, which means. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It took a conspiracy, more than one person, [00:30:00] to take the database down and change all the information, which is the forward facing eyes of the medical system for the military aiding and abetting the enemy, so it's conspiracy to commit treason, and yet nothing's happened. Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I know. It's people, because you're, we're in the military, and oath of office, I presume, still of police officers, to protect America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Bart Sibrel: Domestic, right? Do you really think China... Russia wants to be at war with their best customer, the United States of America, where if we were destroyed, their economy would collapse for decades, right? Do you really think Russia, who has, one tenth of the nuclear weapons we do, want to start a nuclear war and be dead? Bart Sibrel: Bombed into oblivion? No, of course not. They may be a competitor, but they're not really a threat. So to constantly blame Russia, constantly [00:31:00] blame China, is only misdirection because the perpetrators are in the federal government. Who killed Kennedy? The federal government. The CIA. Who faked the moon landing? Bart Sibrel: The federal government. Who did 9 11? 3, 000 architects and engineers. Say it's impossible, mechanically, for a pinhole airplane to go in and out of a steel grid and cause it to collapse. All you gotta do is look at a picture of the Oklahoma City bombing. Half the building's blown away and the thing stood because it's a grid. Bart Sibrel: A pinhole in and out of an airplane cannot cause its collapse if half the building blown away won't cause its collapse. Three thousand architects and engineers risked their reputations, their livelihood, saying this is a fact. 20 years later, nothing done about it. It just boggles the mind. It's done right out in the open. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What's interesting is I had this realization today about you're, in the book 1984 there are about three or four different [00:32:00] countries, and they're always, at war, changing their alliances, one the other, and changing alliances, so they can control the people. And what you just said about Russia and China, it's, makes you begin to wonder, are, is there something of that situation going on now? Bart Sibrel: The CIA is madly in love with the Chinese government. They wish they could get away with what they get away with in China. And so if there is a war in the future with China, it'll be completely staged. I'm not saying people won't be killed, and things won't be bombed, and military hardware won't be destroyed. Bart Sibrel: But it will be orchestrated like a script between the CIA and the Chinese government. Get their whatever goal is. It's my opinion that this little thing we've been going through for the last three years, and of course my opinion is simply the opinion of the experts I've interviewed or watched interviews with. Bart Sibrel: If a former [00:33:00] vice president of the pharmaceutical company who's selling the medicine says there is no illness circulating around, they're making it up. I believe him. And if he says this medicine is dangerous and likely going to kill off millions of people, I believe him. I take it to the next step. Why are they doing that? Bart Sibrel: I believe there's a cosmic event heading toward Earth. Something from outer space. The big clue is Janet Napolitano's farewell address. Like Eisenhower's farewell address. Military Industrial Complex Warning. She said on her last day in office a natural disaster is coming that has never happened before in the history of America. Bart Sibrel: Her successor is going to need a big bottle of Tylenol to deal with it. There's three clues here. What's coming is a natural disaster. It's a natural disaster that has never happened in America. And a [00:34:00] third hidden clue, a natural disaster that somehow you could know about years in advance. We've had volcanoes and earthquakes and hurricanes, and you can't predict those years in advance. Bart Sibrel: We've never had a meteor or comet, and you can predict it in advance, even though it's a natural disaster. That's the only one that fits all of this. I believe that event is coming. I believe this little thing of the last three years is to lower the number of people on the Earth in preparation. Bart Sibrel: For that event, like a firefighter setting a fire to stop a fire. In their minds, if a solar system event happens, half the people on the earth could die in one year. That's too many people, too quickly, in their minds. So they are lowering the number of people gradually. In preparation for that event. Bart Sibrel: Regarding the moon landing, I think they'll just keep [00:35:00] postponing, returning to the moon, because 10 presidents have said 10 times they're gonna return to the moon in 5 years and never done it. They'll just keep postponing it until there's a global collapse, global pandemic, meteor shower, whatever, and then no one will care who shot JFK or if the moon landing is real or not. Bart Sibrel: This is what's coming down the pike. And secular people think so, and biblical people think so. And when secular analysis lines up with the book of Revelation exactly, I say these events are very likely to happen, and likely in the near future. Yeah, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's stunning. It's I feel we are headed for a babble moment because our language needs to be confused. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We're toying with making a, and I'm using this lowercase g, making a god who will seem like a god to us. With AI, certainly not the God of the Universe, but something that, that thinks in levels that we can't think at speeds that we can't [00:36:00] even begin to comprehend, that could, with its own existence and feel that it needs to destroy us. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's been many movies that have portrayed this idea. And here we are just playing with it, and it's called Chat B T, GPT 3. And then six months later, they come up with... Chat beat GPT 4, which is 90% better. We have no idea what we're toying with and what we're doing. And it would actually probably be a godsend for him to come and confuse our language for as disastrous as I understand that is and how dangerous and how many people would die in a situation where our languages of ones and zeros gets confused, that would be better than allowing the AI to continue. Bart Sibrel: They've, they have some technology they don't share, like there's a lot of space based weapons that can just zap a building and don't need to drop a bomb, don't need to send a missile. Those are kind of aces in the hole, the intelligence agencies use, and they don't talk about it because then there won't be... Bart Sibrel: Need for all [00:37:00] these ships and aircraft that they keep making money off of. And so another technology that's been around for a while, probably a little bit more than 20 years, is AI's ability to write software. And the, and for basically write self Fixing software. You know how you have upgrades, there's a bug, there's a bug, there's a bug. Bart Sibrel: Redownload the software. This software fixes itself. It finds its own problems and it super Makes the software super duper efficient. And it just keeps improving. All that to say, when you have a being, who's basically number one goal is to be efficient, it has, of course, no compassion. Bart Sibrel: And the executive producer of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, the one who was the multi millionaire, who gave us the money, he had a company with several [00:38:00] employees. A lot. And he was concerned. He constantly thought about his company's success, keeping it successful because scores and scores of families depended on him to pay their mortgage. Bart Sibrel: And this guy at the time he had that compassion was an atheist, he still had compassion in him, even as an atheist. An AI does not. And it's like a reptile. There's an account, true story, about this young man, I guess as a maybe adolescent, 10, 12 year old, gets a boa constrictor as a birthday gift, it's like a foot and a half long, and then it becomes 2 feet long, and 3 feet long, and 4 feet long, and then 6 feet long, and 8 feet long, and so by the time he's 24 and about to get married, it's 8 feet long, and I'm sure his wife wasn't thrilled about having that in the house, but, he's had it for all these years, and I guess I gotta take the good with the bad. Bart Sibrel: And then, the [00:39:00] couple eventually has a toddler son. And they, there's a picture of them sitting on the couch with the big snake across their lap and the baby's hand, petting the head of the snake, which is about the size of a dinner plate. And, lo and behold, A year or so after that picture was taken, they come home, and they find the snake with the toddler's leg down its throat. Bart Sibrel: You would think the snake would, know that this is their child, their precious child. And, but... Doesn't care. And yeah, the AI is like that. It's just doing its job of being super efficient. And if it can use 1% less electricity by killing 1 million people, it might choose to do that. Bart Sibrel: You gotta be really careful. The thing is, they really don't have what's the right word an existence. They're not a true being. Consciousness. They don't truly [00:40:00] have consciousness. It's not possible. However, they can be super efficient and mimic conversation and things like that. I actually came up with a test that's infallible, I believe. Bart Sibrel: That would test whether or not an AI has true consciousness or not. But in any case, no, I'm going to keep that a secret. Hopefully sell it for a million dollars. But and he'll agree when he hears it, that this is absolutely foolproof and genuine way of testing whether AI, anyone who hears it will agree. Bart Sibrel: But anyway, I don't think it's ever possible, but if they're ever put in charge. of human decisions. Yeah, it could be disastrous. One of the things that could be motivation for these people who want to lower the population is the fact that they don't need all these people anymore. [00:41:00] I have a podcast you can subscribe to if you go to Sobrelle. Bart Sibrel: com It's ten dollars a month. It's called Bart Sobrelle's Box Escape. If you want to think outside of the box, even of the alternative media, which can be led astray. And I think episode one, and when you subscribe, you get all the past episodes, is, I think I called it Hitler Jr. Because the World Economic Forum, whose logo, right there out in the open, It's three sixes, 666, in the plain sight, right in their logo. Bart Sibrel: The people who run the world, their chief advisor says, quote, We've got three to four billion useless people on the earth. What are we going to do to get rid of them? Or words to that effect. And, yeah, that's him. And I was like, wow. Just how can, I've seen people without a soul, you could say, or without compassion or whatever you want to call it. Bart Sibrel: I've seen them. Most of them were CIA agents trying to kill me. And [00:42:00] it's amazing when you meet another human being and you look them in the eye. And they would kill you and go home and have a fried chicken dinner and not think about it. You know what I mean? It, there are people like that. Bart Sibrel: It's like a great white shark looking into their eye. There's nobody at home, there's no soul. And I've met people like that. And, I could even say I've been like that. When I argue with people I don't know how it is, I've never officially been in the military, but, to be at war and to kill people you have to throw a switch in your mind. Bart Sibrel: And to do it. And I've thrown that switch in my mind when I'm mad at people to just be callous and heartless or whatever. And the Bible warns about this. That people's consciousness can be seared, as with the hot iron, to where they basically close the door on themselves to their own redemption. Bart Sibrel: Making it theoretically impossible for themselves to ever be saved of their own choosing. To become a [00:43:00] snake. To become compassionless. It just boggles the mind that someone would articulate and brag on media, and be the consultant to the people who run the world, who want to lower the population, saying we have useless people. Bart Sibrel: The guy's Jewish, and that's what, they used to say about the Jews, useless eaters. And how can he pare it back the same thing as a Jew? I just have no idea how he could possibly do that. But, these are dangerous times. The people who run the world want to get rid of 95% of us. They say it as their goal, over and over again. Bart Sibrel: I don't think they're twiddling their thumbs, hoping for that it's just going to happen. I think they have a plan, and I think that plan is well underway. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, it's the unseen realm. Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and principalities of darkness that they talk about in Ephesians. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's not even, the curtain has been pulled back. It is a full force of battle. War going on in front of our face at [00:44:00] this very moment, and it's almost impossible to not see it. And, people are still responsible for what they do, even though our battle is not with them in particular. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's with this unseen realm. This unseen realm has been around for millennia, and it knows what we do. It knows how to whisper in a man's ear and a woman's ear, and, Do this for you, it'll be good for you, and it destroys lives in the meantime. It knows how to trick people in that. Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I've written a few articles. Bart Sibrel: They're at Sibrell. com. You can scroll down about halfway. One is called, Are There Really Aliens? And, it's a pretty intense article. I spent hundreds of hours researching it and writing it. And, again, my opinion about this, that for the last three years and what the medicine means. It's just my, the opinion that I have studied of other doctors. Bart Sibrel: People who used to work manufacturing and selling the medicine. I figure they know. And if it's their [00:45:00] opinion, it's not good for you. In their opinion, they're making an excuse to distribute it. I believe them. So the top two UFO researchers, who spent about four decades looking at alien abduction and UFOs and all this, independent of one another, finally came to the following conclusion, which was identical. Bart Sibrel: Number one, aliens are real. Sorry, not aliens. UFOs are real. Number two they're not from outer space. They're from Earth. And number three, they're demonic. When people are being abducted, they invoke the name of Jesus, and the aliens run away. If they're really aliens from another planet, why would invoking the name of Sam, Bart, Buddha, or Jesus matter to them? Bart Sibrel: And that they're real, people, I witnessed them coming out of the ocean, flying through the air, so they're real. They're real. But, they're not from outer space. They're from another dimension, and [00:46:00] that's what you're talking about in Ephesians 5. Our struggle is against the principalities in the hidden, unseen world, right? Bart Sibrel: Jesus came from heaven, did he not? And how did he enter this realm? Through the human body. You see that? Did he not say heaven was within you? It's like there's an hourglass turned on its side. On the left is earth and on the right of the hourglass is heaven, and in the middle is the gate. Jesus is the gate for the sheep. Bart Sibrel: The thief comes in another way. Jesus is God's only begotten son. Satan came in another way, right? He wasn't born, was he? And in order to get... To heaven we have to go through the gate, and I say heaven is physically within you in another dimension. You see that? Jesus came from heaven and came from a woman's body. Bart Sibrel: He came [00:47:00] from heaven. It's in another dimension, literally inside of the woman's body. And so when we die, we don't ascend, it goes down. It comes out the other end. So there's something going on the other side. Scientists talk about this, Einstein talked about it, the quantum particles, one here, one there, antimatter, and there, there are demonic forces. Bart Sibrel: Now, some people apparently intentionally worship Lucifer. They have 666 in their logo. Do all of the people who run the world do that? Does Bill Gates do that? I think in Bill Gates case, probably not, but he doesn't believe in God. What's left to come in and give him those little whispers in his ear like you talked about? Bart Sibrel: Demons. Hey, why don't we do this? Why don't you do this? This idea. That idea. This is what's going on. I think this is why Jesus said, Love your enemy. And, of course, to me, that's the... Achilles heel of Christianity. People hold grudges. They think they have a [00:48:00] right not to talk to anybody ever again. Bart Sibrel: Because they wronged them or crossed the line or whatever. That's not forgiveness. And he warns, I think, in Matthew 6. 15, if we do not forgive others, our sins will not be forgiven on Judgment Day. He said, if you only love people who love you, you're no different than a pagan non believer. Bart Sibrel: They love people who love them and hate people who hate them. Love your enemies, because the demonic man was possessed, he was on the surface an enemy, but he was really sick, right? He was ill and needed compassion. And that's why love covers over a multitude of sins. And it says overcome evil with good. Bart Sibrel: And so if we don't love our enemy, then we're not really Christians. And maybe if our enemies are, possessed of sorts. Everybody is a murderer if they've hated someone in their [00:49:00] heart, according to Jesus, right? And bill Gates is a lost sheep like we all were before we got saved. And all these other, quote, evil people who allegedly run the world and are out to do people harm, they're lost. Bart Sibrel: Imagine the grand testimony if that guy from the Economic Forum or Bill Gates or George Soros or anybody we consider a boogeyman became converted and gave glory to God and repented of their sin. What a marvelous thing. And this is the state of things, and the moon landing, to me, the fraud, is just the epitome of the rule of Lucifer, of the United States government being super corrupt. Bart Sibrel: And the fall of man, the folly of man, that our greatest accomplishment is a complete lie and incomplete, just like the ship that got him couldn't sink, and just like the tower to reach the heavens was never finished. This is the way that it is, and I go into great detail about [00:50:00] this with videos to back it up, and the book Moon Man at Sobrelle. Bart Sibrel: com. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, there's, oh man, this went a great way, I love this. We didn't get to talk about all the things that I wanted to, but I think this was a different way, a better way probably something you don't typically get to talk about in other interviews. Thank you so much for going in depth in all of this. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I want to encourage people to go get your book. Listen to it. I listen to books. That's what I do. But the thing is, if you listen to a book on some sort of media, it's not yours. If someone wants to take it off your phone, it's gone. Just like U2, the band. Their album on my phone. I didn't want it there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Someone can steal it, steal that information the same way. So buy the hard copy, put it on your shelf, and no one can touch it. He goes in depth into all of those arguments that he discussed at the beginning. And it's, it makes you wonder if they really did this, why would they have to fake anything? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Because they'd have actual pictures. If they faked one thing, why would they need to do that? Unless it was all a big fraud, which that's the claim you [00:51:00] make. And I think it's the only logical explanation that one can get to. Bart Sibrel: Yeah, I had to face facts. If you have cancer, do you want to know? Bart Sibrel: Or do you want to live in denial? I think it's better to know. No one was a bigger fan of the moon landings than me. And for me to come out and say, Unfortunately, they were indeed falsified is a big deal. And what can you do? We live in a fallen world with arrogant, murderous, embezzling government leaders. Bart Sibrel: That's just the way that it is. Better to know that than to pretend that it's not that way. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, I have a question. And I wanted, I was asked to ask what a previous guest, his name was Flat Earth Dave Weiss. And this doctor friend of mine wanted me to, cause he doesn't believe the moon is where we think it is. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm not putting that belief on you, that is, that's a different man with a different idea. But. He doesn't believe we've been to the moon either. And this doctor friend of mine asked, wanted me to ask him, and I'm going to ask you the same question. Have we [00:52:00] ever been to the moon in any other form or fashion, or not the way that Apollo, the Apollo mission went? Bart Sibrel: I think there are probes on the moon. I think the Chinese probes are genuine. And I think maybe NASA sent a probe to the moon. You can x ray a toaster a thousand times, and it'll still make toast. But you can't do that to a human, and this is why there's mannequins orbiting the moon. Because they have to go through a field of radiation that NASA's own Kelly Smith says is deadly and that the technology necessary to pass through it and survive has yet to be invented. Bart Sibrel: It's one of the clips in my book. And I believe the Earth is a sphere. I think that's misinformation to discredit people who know that the moon missions are fake. The fact is, we don't have to pass a geography exam to enter heaven. The Earth could be a triangle. That's not the issue. The issue is the corruption of the federal government. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Exactly. Exactly. And it, all these answers my kind of thought on it is it's interesting to think about all of these ideas and [00:53:00] we'll get all the true answers someday in the future. But to expose fraud and lies is what we're called to do. Because otherwise we're allowing that to continue. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And we're living that lie too. Bart Sibrel: Yep. What can you do? Except pray. And save yourself from this corrupt generation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. And where can people find you again? Bart Sibrel: Yeah, just go to my last name, S as in Sam, I, B as in Boy, R E L, Sobrell. com. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:54:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Rite freeze dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years if stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. Thank you.

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Sometimes I lose my temper mainly when the people's lives are in jeopardy.. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue, so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his, and do not represent the U. S. Army, DOD, nor the U. S. government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty, or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording. Now, to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for joining me again. I first want to give a shout out to my Patreon supporters. We have [00:01:00] Shel Pacett, who's giving 50 a month. We have an anonymous donor at 20. 20 a month. We have the Plandemic Reprimando level at 17. 76 a month, with Ty, Charles, Tinfoil, Stanley, Dr. Anna Frank, and Brian. And we have a self made 10 a month level with Kevin. We have the refined not burned 5 a month with Linda, Emmy, Joe, Pat and Bev, PJ, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken. Frank has made his 1. 50 a month level. And then the last level is, Courage is Contagious at 1, with Amanda, Jay, Spetsnasty, Durrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to thank everyone so much for being able to support and help me out here. And I want to also thank all the all the gives and goes. Supporters have been instrumental in this as this is helping keep the fight going. Let me get to our guest. Dr. Hector Cavallo is a physician. I also met him when I was at the [00:02:00] FLCCC conference in Fort Worth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Texas, but he recently wrote an article talking about the symbols and symbology, specifically the rod of Asclepius and the caduceus and the difference and what they actually mean. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yes. Hello. Hello, Sam. How are you? It's a pleasure to see you again. The fact is I wrote something that has a company medical activity. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Through the centuries, because sometimes these two symbols are taken for the same thing while they are absolutely different. The first one is the Caduceus of Asclepius that is composed of it has only one snake. And the other one is the Caduceus of Hermes that has two snakes. The first one is the symbol of medicine. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And the second one is the symbol of a god that [00:03:00] protected merchants. lawyers, and thieves. Okay, I'm just repeating history. I'm not giving my personal opinion. You can quote it because that's the real thing. And sometimes the doctors have forgotten follow the Asclepius. Dr. Hector Carvallo: condition rod, let's say, and they are inclined to the other rod, to the Hermes rod. And what do I mean with this? That for instance, during the pandemic, many doctors preferred to get big profits instead of curing or trying [00:04:00] to help their patients. Doctors have stolen the people's future, the people's health, the people's expectations in life. Dr. Hector Carvallo: They have stolen, have deprived people from their... Beloved ones, and I think that the gross majority, it's sad to say that, but the gross majority of medical doctors have worked according to the Hermes rot, instead of the Asclepius. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's amazing how this symbology is so old, it goes back so far, and most of the people in the world don't understand it. For instance, my, my podcast symbol it's a door, it's a doctor's door, and it has the write [00:05:00] of Asclepius on it. And, I've had lots of people say, oh, you should look into that's the, and they think that it's the... Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The Rod of Hermes and they couldn't be more wrong, and so they're putting all these negative things onto me and what I'm doing, not understanding that it actually is also from the Bible. Dr. Hector Carvallo: When... Sorry, excuse me, maybe they understand it. And they prefer it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it's also, we see the symbol in the Bible when the Jews were out in the desert and they were plagued by snakes and God told Moses to put a bronze snake on a staff and raise it up and anyone that was bit with that snake would be bit by a snake and then looks upon the staff that you put up with the bronze snake on it and looked upon it would be healed if they believed that God would heal them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it seems like that's where the origins of the medical symbol, the true medical symbol comes from. Dr. Hector Carvallo: The fact is that [00:06:00] the asus rod comes from a legend in which Asus was ob had to assist a giant friend Albu, who had been beaten by a snake, and he killed the snake with his rod and from the snake he obtained. The medicine, so to say, in order to save Aldo's life. Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's why the symbol of medicine is both a rod and a snake. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's interesting. It's the ability to strike and also take the poison and heal, use it to heal. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Talking of poisons, sometimes it doesn't work. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: True. Yes. We as doctors have many poisons that don't work. And not specifically you and me, but there are many doctors in the world right now who are giving poison saying that it's not poison. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yes. [00:07:00] Let's take for instance the vaccines. I've always been pro vaccines, provided they are real vaccines. Dr. Hector Carvallo: When it's just an experiment, I have to be cautious. And when the experiment, proves not to work. I'm against it. Let's take, for instance, an example with the polio, poliomyelitis. There were Everybody knows two different vaccines against polio. The saving one and the salt one. Dr. Hector Carvallo: The saving one is the one that is given orally. One drop. That's it. And the Salk 1 is inject, is injected. The difference between the two of them is the cost. And besides, the Salk 1 doesn't prevent people from carry from carrying the poliovirus in their [00:08:00] Intestine. It doesn't prevent asymptomatic carriers. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But there was another vaccine. The caster vaccine, sorry, the cutter vaccine that was to tried first before the other two ones, and it was accepted during the polio. epidemic in the United States without being tested, and it provoked so many damages, so many side effects, so many cases that were not that could not be repaired, but it had to be taken away from the market. Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's what happens when things are done without proper testing. And I understand that the phases that you have to pass in [00:09:00] order to get a good medicine cannot be shortened. If you try to shorten them, you'll commit a mistake. And if you avoid the phases, you are committing a crime. Because the results you will obtain will be biased will not be valid. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Okay. And I was saying that because of the vaccines now they have, they are pushing a vaccine. Big Pharma is pushing a vaccine against herpes because they say that herpes is a It's terrible. It's very dangerous. It's very harmful, which is true. It's simple. And people over 60 years, for instance, me should be vaccinated. Dr. Hector Carvallo: What they don't say is that there is a treatment for her. There has [00:10:00] been a treatment for the first case and the second case and the relapse of her for over 30 years, 40 years, and that it works. And besides the vaccine, has not been properly tested. So they are making a lot of propaganda, for instance, here in Argentina, on the TB in order to recruit patients. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But they don't say that it is a real study. They just allowed people to think that this is the real thing when it's not. Okay. And the same thing happened with a vaccine for dengue. The vaccine against dengue, or supposedly against dengue, was created in the United States by [00:11:00] American pharmacological companies. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But it wasn't tested there. It was tested in the Philippines on children. That's awful. And after a couple of using it... Over 200 children died and the vaccine had to be stopped, vaccination had to be stopped, vaccine had to be taken away from the pharmacopoeia, and there is still a big trial against the manufacturers. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Those things can be easily found not so easily. You have to look for them. Because Big Pharma and Big Media have been working together very closely. And when you enter Google, for instance, you won't find this as the first result. We have to keep digging and digging in order to find it. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And [00:12:00] sometimes it's not easy to find it. Because I, Misinformation is flooding, flooding the whole media. When misinformation, I mean that they have changed news and publicity for propaganda. And propaganda is deceptive, okay? Propaganda is tending to, to show something which is not true. Dr. Hector Carvallo: When you are replacing news for propaganda. You are misinforming people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that might even go into the realm of disinformation, where it's intentional. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yes, it's intentional. It's disinformation. Yes, you're right. Misinformation may be not unproposed, [00:13:00] but disinformation is unproposed. It's deliberate. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I don't know if you're familiar, there's this idea, this project done by, I believe it was the CIA, and it has allegedly stopped, although I have my suspicions, and many people have their suspicions, but it's called Project Mockingbird, and in Project Mockingbird, this came out during the Church Commission in the 1970s, and the Project Mockingbird was where the CIA hired Project Mockingbird. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And paid reporters to report what they wanted to report. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Okay. Yes. I am sure sometime I heard about the Muckingbird project. At the beginning, I thought it was an urban legend, but when time, as time goes by. You find out that those legends are no legends at all. They are true.[00:14:00] When a person is found guilty by media, it doesn't matter if he is found guilty by a judge, because he is already dead. Dr. Hector Carvallo: When... Television says that this guy is guilty of this, guilty of that. You cannot change that. Do you remember the chapter, the the chapter in which Homer Simpson was supposed to be molesting? a babysitter. I don't remember that episode. You should watch it. He was found he was chased by the media because somebody said he had molested. Dr. Hector Carvallo: The his children's babysitter and it doesn't, it didn't matter how much he tried. He all, he was found more guilty and more [00:15:00] guilty by media. At the end, of course, the whole truth came to surface, but it was described in the scroll that passes. Very quickly, and nobody could see it, and nobody could watch it. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But that's a good, I think Matt Groening, the creator of The Simpsons, has foreseen many things that happened after. He's the nowadays, Jules Berner. Nowadays, Jules Jules Berner. And these things happen all the time. And for instance I am interviewed by you, but I I think I would never be interviewed by CNN. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Maybe I could be interviewed by Cook Times, or maybe I could be interviewed by Fox, but not by CNN. Because they don't want people to listen what I have to [00:16:00] say. And besides, many people prefer keep being keep being live. Thank you. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Instead of recognizing, keep being cheated, instead of recognizing or conceding that they have been cheated. It's a mechanism of defense. Yeah. And many people think that whatever, whichever thing appears on TV or in Dr. Hector Carvallo: the newspapers and now in the social media has to be true and it is not, it depends on the power of the one who throws the information. To the media. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, sir, I remember you saying when I heard you speak at FLCC, [00:17:00] you talked about what you did in your country and your fight against this whole COVID shot issue. Can you tell the listeners and the viewers what heroic things you've done in that field? Dr. Hector Carvallo: From the very first day we did something against COVID by a virus we started working with ivermectin, that it's not, it was not a matter of an epiphany that from all the repurposed drugs we decided to to use ivermectin, we we were following ivermectin because it had already proved to work successfully against dengue fever. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And which is endemic in Argentina and other Arbovirus Zika, Chikungunya and Malaria. That's why I was... I called, yes, it works. But this is not new. It has been described 10 years [00:18:00] ago. 10 years ago. Long before the pandemic, that's why I sent a message to, to to our colleague, Joel Adapo from Florida, because I learned there was an outbreak of malaria there, and I said, you may use ivermectin, because it's used, it's it works. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Either for prophylaxis or for treatment Dr. Hector Carvallo: because hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine works for treatment, but not for prophylaxis. That ivermectin and decides hydroxychloroquine, which proved to be very good very effective against covid has a very small range of of dose. So the therapeutic dose. And the toxic those are very close to one another. Dr. Hector Carvallo: In the case of Avermectin the, beach. between these two doses [00:19:00] is so wide, you will have no problem in using it. And that's why we were working and starting studies, clinical studies on ivermectin when the pandemic started. The same happened in Australia. Dr. Keeley, Dr. Wastaf, from the Monash University at Melbourne, They were originally working with ivermectin against dengue fever, not against COVID, because COVID didn't exist. Dr. Hector Carvallo: So they switched their, the focus of their study from one to another when the pandemic started. And we did. So did we. So did us. The fact is we made different studies, both for prophylaxis. When I say we, Professor Hughes. Who has been an infectologists for half a century, 50 years.[00:20:00] Dr. Hector Carvallo: And he's still the chief of the Department of Infectious Diseases in the, at the hospital, which is only dedicated to infectious diseases in Argentina. And so he's one of the best infectologists in South America. And we made two studies, which we. Submitted to the National Library of Medicine in the United States. Dr. Hector Carvallo: One for prophylaxis and one for treatment. And they both worked okay at a hospital. At two different hospitals. His hospital and my hospital. All the hospitals I worked for because I am already retired. The problem is that after... Submitting the results, the first results in the world proving that ivermectin was useful either for prophylaxis or for treatment. Dr. Hector Carvallo: I received We have all the ethical [00:21:00] acceptance from the hospital, from the county, whatever. I received a phone call from the health minister's private secretary. saying that I couldn't keep working on these studies. I said the studies are already finished. They have already been submitted to the National Library of Medicine. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And they have been, they have also been published. So he said that if I continued publishing the studies, I would lose my job. I had to tell him that... I couldn't lose my job because I was retired. I was working in the scientific area, just pro bono. And then he kept on threatening me, so I lost my temper and I said some things which I'm not proud of. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But I, that was the end of the conversation.[00:22:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I can't blame you for getting a little upset. I probably would have said some choice words as well. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Sorry? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I probably would say some colorful words as well. Dr. Hector Carvallo: May I? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sure. Dr. Hector Carvallo: When I lost my temper, I told him, I asked him if he was really the private secretary of the health minister. So he insisted that he was, and I told him, so please tell the health minister to go fuck himself. And that was the end of it. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Sometimes I lose my temper, mainly when the people's lives are in jeopardy. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And [00:23:00] that's the truth, and the reality of the situation is it's not just you getting angry with them it's an entire system trying to prevent life saving medications from getting to patients that absolutely need them, that we know work. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And that's what we've been battling against. And if you're preventing a life saving medication from getting to a patient who's ill, the only word that I have to describe that is evil. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And the action itself is a crime, but the fact is they couldn't accept the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, or hydroxychloroquine. Colchicine, or Doxycycline, or Vitamin D, or Acetramicin. Because if they did the permission to use the vaccines, which was not a full permission was a urgency permission. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And they have billions and billions of reasons not to allow that [00:24:00] they were getting paid off, Dr. Hector Carvallo: But they say it without any embarrassment. Every day you say you see that big pharma gives 10 million, 20 million, 100 million to the F D A or the c d c to make this investigation, to make that investigation take. Don't make investigations. They don't make investigations. Dr. Hector Carvallo: They don't make studies. They have already accepted. They have never made studies. They just accept or not accept pharmacological studies. And they don't perform studies by themselves. And they have been if it was not so dramatic, it would be funny. They first said, and I'm talking about Fauci, Walensky, and [00:25:00] all the whole gang. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And they said, If you receive the shots, you won't get ill, and you won't transmit the illness. Then they changed the, their speech and they said you may contract the virus, but you won't transmit it. Then they changed it again. He said you may contract the virus and transmit it, but you will not suffer severe cases. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Later on severe cases have been seen in the patients already vaccinated, but they don't go to the intensive care unit and they don't die. And finally, they had to concede that they did die. So what's the next step? They will say, but they will go to heaven. I don't know what we'll say next. It's ridiculous.[00:26:00] Dr. Hector Carvallo: I actually spoke to a mother of an infant who was breastfeeding, and she was a service member, and she got the shot. And this was when I was still working. And the mother was in the intensive care unit, and the father was trying to find out if he could give the breast milk of the mother to their infant. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And this was one week after the first shot. And this is a health, this is a service member. So you can assume that they're generally fairly healthy. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But the fact is let's see it from the very beginning. Let's take an example on a small, very small state. Maine, for instance. Maine State on the East Coast. If I enter any hospital or clinic with a fracture, They would charge my [00:27:00] insurance. 7, 000. If I enter with a fracture with a bone fracture, but I tested positive for Kobe, it would charge my insurance 20, 000. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And if I finally, and if I find that is three times more, and if I finally went to the intensive care unit, they would charge almost 125, 000 if I tested positive. These things that I'm saying are facts. You can enter the internet and see how much a clinic or a hospital is paid for this kind of patient, that kind of patient, and you will find it. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And, after the vaccination, they couldn't say that there were side effects. [00:28:00] They said that the side effects were provoked by the British vaccines. So the British said, no, but the American vaccines are worse. So it was we were returning to the independence war. And the fact is that all the effects that were provoked. Dr. Hector Carvallo: All the effects that were provoked had to be disregarded and considered that have no connection at all with the vaccines. So that's against logical thinking. If I receive a medicine, whichever medicine, that I have never received before and I have undesired effects. in a few days after taking it. Dr. Hector Carvallo: What else can I blame? If I die a week after receiving a vaccine, [00:29:00] unless I've been shot down by a killer or I've been run over by a car, the first thing you have to think of is What medicine you received a few days before, that's simple thinking, that's rational, that's logical. But these times, in these last three and almost four years, logic has not been part of the equation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: No, and media has been used to convince the layperson that, oh, if you don't have a randomized, controlled study, that it's not good science, and that's not how science works. When you're starting to develop an idea, and you want to see if... Or look for a danger signal. You can't have a randomized controlled study cause you don't have time for that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You have to act instantly on any danger signal. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And besides when they say that if [00:30:00] they are not randomized, et cetera, they are not a hundred percent scientific. They are forgetting of. Studies, the pyramid of evidence, the lower step is expert's opinion. Then you have clinical studies, which is higher. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Then you have randomized studies, and then you have meta analysis. And they used the lowest step to criticize higher steps. That's crazy. They're using the lower steps. Because clinical studies are always preferable to experts opinion. And besides, who could be an expert on COVID in 2020? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When they're using the [00:31:00] lower steps to negate the higher steps, which don't exist, which does not mean that there is no evidence. It means they haven't done the studies. Dr. Hector Carvallo: So they have put the parameter upside down. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's that flipping of the, of how science works and how information works has led to millions of people dying. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yes. And they will keep dying because of this because up till now we have seen the immediate side effects that the l the effects the adverse effects in the long range, they are just now showing up. Dr. Hector Carvallo: The chronic covid is not only provoked by covid itself by B, but also by covid vaccines. And those cases are indistinguishable from [00:32:00] one another. And rheumatological issues appear without any familiar history of rheumatoid diseases. After the shots sudden death appears the excess of mortality has gone sky high, and they try to explain it by the sudden adult death syndrome, which already exists, but not in these figures, so I call it suddenly Maybe Invented sudden adult death syndrome. So instead of SADS, I call it CSADS. Suddenly invented. Because, though the syndrome has been described for quite a long time, it's not the same to have one in [00:33:00] one thousand, it's not the same of having one in one hundred. Dr. Hector Carvallo: So the explanation is there. And I've been a medical doctor for 42 years, almost 43 years, and very shortly after graduating, I found out that the studies, most of the scientific studies, or the results of the studies, depended entirely on the on the money that was put on the studies. Dr. Hector Carvallo: on the financial support of the studies. And so I started Not disregarding, but not accepting any study as a biblical truth. And I try to confront [00:34:00] one study with another and to find out The real thing about them and most important, I never accepted my patients to be guinea pigs for any study. Never. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You could see this phenomena prior to COVID with the statins, how statins were, the greatest thing and they should be put in the water and everybody needs a statin. And then when you really look at the evidence, statins only help maybe a tiny bit. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But the fact is. It's always a matter of money. Dr. Hector Carvallo: They create big studies. Most of them are fake. Then they put up a congress, an international congress, with very famous speakers. They invite you. [00:35:00] You don't have to pay for the inscription or the hotel, nothing. You go there, you eat, you drink, you listen. And you get out thinking that you have heard an epiphany and you start using the medicine and you become the employee of Big Pharma without receiving any salary, but sometimes people, doctors receive salaries. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But the fact from Big Pharma, though they will never accept, they will never concede that this is also a tragic fact. But you are combined because you spend a wonderful time there and you start prescribing things that in the long range are found to be not so useful or absolutely [00:36:00] useless. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And besides, when I was very young doctor, when I graduated cholesterol levels, the accepted healthy cholesterol limit was 250 milligrams. And then all of a sudden it was changed to 200 milligrams. So everybody needed medicine Dr. Hector Carvallo: just by lowering the limit. Dr. Hector Carvallo: If you lose, if you reduce, if you lower the upper limit. Most people will be beyond the limit, and so they will need the medicine. Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's [00:37:00] crazy. And I'm telling things that happened 40 years ago, and I'm sure that it happened even before I was not a doctor then. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And as they lower the acceptable cholesterol level, and people get more of these medications to help lower their cholesterol, and we see more heart attacks and strokes, we're clearly doing something wrong. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yeah, and by accepting these things are as the truth. With capital letters, we can see that most doctors cannot think by themselves, they just follow propaganda. Some doctors think that they are updated by watching Twitter that's not a means of [00:38:00] being trained, but they do that. That's a reality. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Very shameful, but a reality. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Now, if I remember correctly, your fight didn't end with you hanging up on, on that personal assistant, did it? Dr. Hector Carvallo: The fight will never end because I sued the government for preventing me to keep on doing any further research. And the trial is being put off three times up till now, so they expect me to get tired and to desist, to follow it. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But I can wait. I can wait. I'm retired. I don't have anything else to do, so I can [00:39:00] wait. And I keep going everywhere and accepting invitations like yours. In order to explain what we have done, we didn't discover the gunpowder, powder, gunpowder. We didn't discover it. We just used repurposed drugs. Dr. Hector Carvallo: We did something. Because the worst thing you can do with a suffering patient is to do nothing. Is to do nothing. Because that's negligence. There is person abandonment, you have to do something. Leaving a person at home with a diagnosis of illness and Wait until he cannot breathe properly in order to refer him to the hospital. Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's [00:40:00] patient abandonment anywhere in the world. Before the pandemic, if you did that with any other disease, you will be sued. And why not now? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And in fact, I did an interview a while back before I was doing... videos with the man. His name is Dean and he was admitted in Arizona. He was had COVID and they scheduled narcotics and that's like something you learn first day of med school. You never schedule narcotics. They would wake him up in the middle of the night every four hours to give him more morphine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's he's got a breathing problem and you're waking him up to give him more morphine. He's not in pain and you're still giving it. They almost intubated him in his Private room and luckily he had a an angel watching over him and who was the physical or the respiratory therapist Who [00:41:00] ran the man out who had the vent and he was discharged the next day They turn a regular room into an icu room when they put someone on a vent in a regular room, which is completely inappropriate Dr. Hector Carvallo: So these things like that Have been seen I've been with NEST during this pandemic. We have seen things like that before, but not all together, like in this past three years. So it's a scandal. It's a scandal. In a French book by a French author, which is called The Pest by Alder Camus in one part of the, this book The Pest is about cholera in Africa. Dr. Hector Carvallo: And he says that The worst thing about the pest, the plague, that's the title in English, the plague. It's not that it [00:42:00] kills bodies, but it makes the souls, and that is a really horrible spectacle when you see people's souls, and that they are doing things wrong on purpose, maybe out of cower, cowardship, cowardness, or corruption. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Those are unacceptable. Words in the medical life, in the medical profession, yet we have seen plenty of them during these last three years. So I can tell you, I've always loved medicine, but I'm really disappointed with medical doctors and in the way they have behaved. And though I have one son who is a medical [00:43:00] doctor, and they are in the health system If they were to apply for the university now, I would try to combine them to follow any other career except medicine, because it's so corrupt that sometimes I feel ashamed of being a medical doctor. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I will encourage my children to not join the military and not go into traditional medicine. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Or at least if they do want to be, to become medical doctors. Not to believe in everything they are told, to get their own experience. Not to behave as employees of Big Pharma. To find their own way. Because the truth will find it, will eventually [00:44:00] find its way. What worries me is all the people that die in between. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And there's a quote from Rudyard Kipling. It's from the Gods of the Copybook. And it's with terror and something, the Gods of the Copybook return, which is basically truth returning back to society with terror. Because it, when people realize the truth it comes back like a lion. It doesn't need you or me to fight for the truth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It is found. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yeah. Rudyard Kipling was a real wise man. Very wise. And this pandemic, the behavior, the general behavior in this pandemic has been a mixture, [00:45:00] a perfect combination between Joseph Mengele and Joseph Goebbels. The first one committing atrocities. In the name of science, and the second one combines in everybody that everything was okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're absolutely right. This is if Mengele could only dream of what we've done today, he would be delighted. This is so much worse on a such grander scale that he could ever even imagine. Dr. Hector Carvallo: I think that not in his Worst twisted dreams he could imagine of such a thing as what we have witnessed, what we are witnessing in our days and that's crazy. [00:46:00] Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's crazy. And people who are responsible of this slaughtering, they walk easily, without any problem. They are not sent to jail. The figures are so high. This could be easily consider genocide and anyone committing a genocidal action, either by omission or by action because a genocide may be committed either by omission or by action anyone committing it cannot walk, cannot go away without being punished. Dr. Hector Carvallo: These people, for instance, Fauci has retired as a hero.[00:47:00] Dr. Hector Carvallo: And nobody says anything about it. Walensky keeps talking to herself, because just, I think nobody believes her, but she keeps talking. Hottis, the one with the red Dr. Hector Carvallo: necktie he keeps talking in favor of vaccines. The other day he discussed with Robert Kennedy, but he didn't accept to discuss with Robert Kennedy Jr. Because though Robert Kennedy is a lawyer, not a medical doctor, and Hottis is a scientist. in medical science. He has nothing to answer to Kennedy. Dr. Hector Carvallo: I've heard, I've been with Kennedy at Knoxville, Tennessee, a year ago, and [00:48:00] he's so well prepared to defeat anyone on the medical field. That is amazing. That's why Hortense didn't accept it, because he's a liar and he's a chicken. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the truth will come out and he'll know that. People will know that he's a tyrant bent on destruction. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But tyrants exert their tyranny, over those who do nothing. Dr. Hector Carvallo: You maybe you remember Muammar Gaddafi from Libya. He was a tyrant. He even bombed flying planes, but when his [00:49:00] period was over and people took over the palace, he begged for his life as if he was a child. So tyrants exert tyranny only if they are allowed to. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Same with Saddam, he was found in a hole. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yeah, he was inside a hole, yeah. Like an ostrich, but better. Because he didn't leave the body outside. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It takes brave men and women like, like you and other guests that I've had on to, to make the tyranny stop. To show these tyrants that we won't, we actually won't forget. We say we won't forget, but we really also won't forget. And we'll make sure that justice is equally doled out to people who deserve it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Not some vigilante justice, but going before [00:50:00] trials and judgments given. Dr. Hector Carvallo: It's a very asymmetrical fight, quite asymmetrical https: otter. ai Flight fight. But, I agree with you. We must not forget, and we must not forgive. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm willing to forgive after judgment is doled, and let God sort him out. Sorry? I'm willing to forgive, but after they've received judgment and punishment, and then after God sorted him out, then I'm willing to forgive. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Maybe the older you become, the less inclined to forgive we become. Dr. Hector Carvallo: But I may forgive what people have done to me, but I may not forgive a genocide. [00:51:00] I cannot forgive that. It's unforgivable. Of course, we cannot apply the Talion's Law. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Justice should be done, justice should be, the hand of justice should reach the people who are responsible of this genocide and make them pay within the field of law, not outside the law, because otherwise we will Become like cavern people, but we'll be just like that. We have a law. We have a law. The law is blind.[00:52:00] Dr. Hector Carvallo: The judges are not blind. They shouldn't be either blind or deaf or dumb. They should. They should apply the law. And the attorneys should apply the law. Long ago, I have said, about two and a half years ago, that it's no longer the time for medical doctors. It's the time for lawyers. It's the time for attorneys. Dr. Hector Carvallo: We have to... We have to pursue everybody who is responsible of all that has been done, either by omission or by action, I insist. And they have to pay. They have to pay to the society. Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's the only thing, anyone committing a crime is up to the consequences. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Why not, why these people aren't? I don't know.[00:53:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And there's, there's two safe havens that I know of from, let's say the Nazis, through Operation Paperclip, many of them came to America. And they continued their operations. And also Argentina. So we do have that connection there. In that sense that, the thing that I don't want to happen to these people is for them to be able to escape to a country like America or Argentina and make their own little pockets of, like they did, where they continue doing the same things that they were doing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I don't want them to be able to go to, whatever country or whatever, government and hide inside the government. They need to be brought to justice. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Yeah, They can run, but they shouldn't Dr. Hector Carvallo: hide. They shouldn't be able To hide. Of course they can run. They are running. To a certain extent. But, [00:54:00] they shouldn't be able to hide. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Sir, I want to be respectful of your time. We've hit the hour mark. And I truly appreciate you coming on with me. Dr. Hector Carvallo: We are in time. You told me one hour. And it's... Almost an hour. So I appreciate that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you, sir. Thank you for all you're doing. Thank you for keeping the fight up in your country and the listeners and the viewers will continue the fight here. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We'll be praying for you. Dr. Hector Carvallo: Okay, and thanks to you for giving me the opportunity of making the fight public. Okay. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And international. Dr. Hector Carvallo: That's it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: God bless Dr. Hector Carvallo: you too. Bye bye.[00:55:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, in duty uniform of the day, The full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a new affiliate, Harvest Right Freeze Dryers. Take a look at the link below and see if it's right for you. It's a great way to store food for you and your family up to 25 years if stored properly.

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SSG Dan Robert: frustration didn't put the darkest stuff in our heads, I'm sure at every time, and especially when we were scared and then being like, persecuted individually, like I, it means a lot that we stayed so professional the entire time, conducted ourselves legally. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then that's why we're still able to walk around out here and live, our lives. We did do the right thing. We're not criminals. We're not just waving a black flag like we really did stand up for the right thing. And that's it's protected us. And whether you think that comes from maybe a religious belief as well as like just maybe ret. SSG Dan Robert: the tiny shred of the legal ret. SSG Dan Robert: system that still works. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Either way, like I, I think it has a lot to do with, like I said, I think it speaks so much to the, the professionalism of our team that we were able to keep it together and do it that way the whole time. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. [00:01:00] The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hello. All right. Thank you for joining me again. I've got, I want to give a quick shout out to all my Patreon supporters Shell Pace at the $50 level. We have an anonymous donor family at $20 and 20 cents a month. We have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents a month. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna Frank, Brian. We have Kevin who's made his own self-made $10 level. The refined, not burned at $5 a month. Linda, Emmy, Joe, pat, and Bev, pj, Rebecca Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn. Jennifer, Ken Frank has made his own level at one 50, and then we have the Courage is contagious at $1 a month. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Amanda, Jay, SP Nasty, Darrell, Susan, BB King, and Rick, thank you so much for all the money that you've supported. I truly appreciate it. As I have put over a hundred [00:02:00] thousand dollars of my own money into the lawsuit against the Secretary of Defense. My wife has set up a give, send, go. If you feel so inclined, please go. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Give us some prayer or any monetary donations at gibs and go. It's Soff v Austin is the name of the the campaign that we're doing. But I, this next guest that I have on, he's amazing because he got into this fight early and he's part of what I was able to glom onto, if you will. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Dan Robert here and from the infamous Robert V. Austin lawsuit. And it was calling the lawyers that were on the bottom of that filing. They got me into all of this fight cuz I was already suspended. I called Dale Saran, I talked to him for about 30, 40 minutes on a Friday at four o'clock. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what turned my medical exemption that I was giving to service members into an affidavit that went to help your case. Now it's great to have you on. What have you been doing lately? ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, it's, it's good to hear from you, man. It's been like I said, we talked a little bit before, but it's been a busy ret. SSG Dan Robert: six [00:03:00] months ever or so, since I left, man, like we're, ret. SSG Dan Robert: we're at eight months. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I left back in November. Officially and I've been all over started with a coast to coast move. So I got out of Georgia, moved out to Utah. A lot of people asked me, they were like, man, why Utah? That's, that was so random and shot from the hip. And they're like, everybody thought I was ret. SSG Dan Robert: going a bunch of different places ret. SSG Dan Robert: back on the East coast, something more familiar back to the brag area or something. ret. SSG Dan Robert: But to be honest, with everything that was going on, I needed to get some space and figure stuff out. And ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's when there's just like a lot of noise at ret. SSG Dan Robert: a party and you have to step outside the, room for a minute or go out on the porch and just have a minute to yourself. That's what Utah offered me. A little bit of peace of quiet. I am up here in the mountains pretty good. If you've ever seen Salt Lake City, you are surrounded by gorgeous I mean Misty Mountain lower the rings, looking mountains up here. It's pretty awesome. It's cool that it's just not something I've been exposed to, on the East coast my whole life. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Bounced around for a little bit, doing some contracting. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I did get to do a photo shoot ret. SSG Dan Robert: for Vortex. I thought that was pretty cool with a company that's ret. SSG Dan Robert: out here and then, just trying to find my place and kind of that the veteran community of bro vet stuff that's out here, which there's a [00:04:00] ton. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then finally landed a full-time job building firearms, for a company that's local here to me now. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Like I said, it's been all over the place. I still do a little bit of contracting here and there. Started my own podcast ret. SSG Dan Robert: with that company. Just trying to like, pull in the community and stuff cuz you know, that's what I'm all about. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I just wanna pull in as many people as I can, get out as much information and make people strong. So I'm still doing that and just a different way, I guess it's a different storyline now, but that's what it's been like. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Awesome. Tell us what your MOS was and then kinda lead into how you got started, how you met Todd, how you met Theresa Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Long and how that whole thing unplayed a bit. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, so I was in Leave Bravo my whole career. I short stint over in SWIC as many 82nd paratroopers do, and then ended up back in the 82nd as many paratroopers do. And then like I said, I stayed a paratrooper in 11 Bravo my whole career airborne for 11 of them, which, I have plenty of injuries to, to prove it, ret. SSG Dan Robert: and then my last couple years, ret. SSG Dan Robert: They changed the rating scheme for us a little bit and I was like, I want to continue to [00:05:00] develop myself. I'd been a platoon sergeant as a staff sergeant for two years. So I volunteered as a drill sergeant. And then Covid started right ret. SSG Dan Robert: when I was in the middle of school. ret. SSG Dan Robert: So I was like trying to do that same thing. I still ret. SSG Dan Robert: wanted to train soldiers and I was getting to a point where it was like starting to feel like a staff position. So I was like, I want to be on the ground with the men. The best way I could do that and preserve that role was to be a drill sergeant. ret. SSG Dan Robert: So I went down there. Like I said, mid covid, covid drill time. It's if there's an underappreciated class of soldiers that stuck it out during covid I have to like, hands down drill sergeants, man. Like they, ret. SSG Dan Robert: They were so low staffed. There's stop moves plus under hat and badge and stuff. And it was just like, and some of those are 18 hour days or longer and 13 day work weeks. And it's just it's a long time. It's very rough on you, your family, your health, your sleep, your mental, status. So for guys to. Stick that out with like the ever-changing dynamic policies of masking and spacing. And then are we picking up, are we not there's so much stuff going on. It was a really hellish time to, to show up, showed up in the middle of that. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then it was, [00:06:00] let's say early 2021, I was in a, and where were station accident. I was in Fort Benning, Georgia, which I'm still calling Fort Benning to this day. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I was just like, not whatever, Fort Moore or whatever it is now. It will never be anything different. Brag, Bragg's gonna be bragged to me forever. But, so I was in a motorcycle accident. This is after tearing an a C L for my third time. And I, I just, I redline it all the time. I go pretty hard. And then I remember talking to one of the doctors in that ret. SSG Dan Robert: room about trying to keep me, in the fight. And I had a breakdown about it and I was like, this is, this is a lot. I'm juggling all of these different things. I'm in a ton of pain. I need all these surgeries to get fixed up, broken hand, broken ribs, road rash everywhere. ret. SSG Dan Robert: My knees still toast. I had to back up a surgery for that to get fixed. And they started talking about, medically retiring me, but it was gonna be at least a year plus of surgeries and recovery and physical therapy and stuff, right? So I was on crutches for a good while recovering from that with a cast on my arm and stuff. And then one of the doctors had a conversation with me in that room and was asking me if I was gonna get [00:07:00] vaccinated. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And it wasn't a mandate yet at the time. And I was like, no. I was like, that's, do you remember the, I don't need, do you remember a roundabout date I had? Go ahead. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Do you remember a roundabout date of this timeframe? ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, it's hard. I wanna say the motorcycle accident was ret. SSG Dan Robert: around April of, I wanna say, 2021. So it would've been shortly thereafter some time around that. Okay. But the doctors were asking me so they were like, are you gonna get vaccinated in? And I was just like, cause there's just like a ret. SSG Dan Robert: thing. You obviously know in your profession they were pushing it so hard. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. Stuff that was totally unrelated. They're like, oh, there's been a rash of package theft in our neighborhood. Best way to protect yourself is to get vaccinated. Like they'll just, they were just attaching it to everything, I knew, I know, you know that I'm serious cuz they were doing it. It's weird. So like, when that was going on, they were asking me and I was kind, and I went off on this doctor. I was already in a bad mood and and their green suit or doctor too. This is a colonel, and I go off, I'm just like, no. ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's like it's, I've already had it, and like I'm already through this thing. I was just like, there's a whole regulation that talks about basically natural immunity. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I was aware of. By [00:08:00] absolute happenstance that I had 40 dash 5 62, that I had seen this at some point in my career and I was aware of it cuz I was just like, ret. SSG Dan Robert: I remember making jokes about it with flu shots in previous years. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I'm like, I already had the flu, sir. I don't need to get it. Just look ret. SSG Dan Robert: right here. But I never pushed it. Yeah. So anyway that doctor ret. SSG Dan Robert: is the one who gave me Teresa's long's number. And at the time I was like, what is this? I was just like, this is such an inappropriate time to be slipping me your cell phone number. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Like I am, like, I I have no idea what is going on. And they're like, Hey Colin, ret. SSG Dan Robert: Talk to this person and I'll let 'em know. But I think they might have some things you're interested in hearing. And then, after a few days I reached out for the first time and I met Theresa Long just over the phone. And that was just like ret. SSG Dan Robert: absolutely just. It just took off really quick and she was talking about ret. SSG Dan Robert: just like the, what was going on with it and like why it was gonna be dangerous. And she's we're seeing a lot of this stuff. I think medically it's not a good idea. We're, ret. SSG Dan Robert: we knew so little back then, I think about everything that happened. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And we were having a bunch of conversations about it and she kept [00:09:00] saying Hey, this is gonna be mandated and there's people trying to put together a fight for it and try to keep me in the loop. And then I was there, like I said, on the other podcast one day. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I had just gotten outta the shower and then she like text ret. SSG Dan Robert: me this zoom link and she's Hey, get on this call. And then, it opens ret. SSG Dan Robert: up and there's all these important people and it's called 16 people. Like I said, Dr. Peter McCullough is on the call. There's Teresa, there's Todd Calender there's a few different people with stars on their chest. And at the time I didn't know someone who were retired. Wow. But I was just like, I was like, what is going on? I was like, I can Google everybody in here except for me. And then I one other Fort Bennings soldier they had spoken to. A good friend of mine. And then, the stuff that these guys were saying on this call, man, it was like so heavy. And I didn't want to jump into the conspiracy stuff on the other side of stuff, of things because you know how some people are saying like, this ret. SSG Dan Robert: is. The d o d, surrendering, basically our capability to China. I got other people using the word genocide, and I'm just like, and I'm hearing all this and I'm just like, what is ret. SSG Dan Robert: going on, man? Don't understand. But then they laid out really clearly what was going on in a way that I [00:10:00] did understand, and that it wasn't like so shocking and said they were gonna start this fight. And then basically I took that as oh, so you're asking me to be like a plaintiff on this thing? And I don't know to this day in the end, ret. SSG Dan Robert: why of all the people that all of those people knew of all over the us I was one of the people that was selected. I think that I present myself pretty well, pretty intelligent, knowledgeable guy, try to not be too, like egotistical about this, but like I know that I do have a public speaking capability. And that no one's gonna push me around, right? I already not like an attitude, but I was like very confident about myself and I was ret. SSG Dan Robert: gonna see it through. What I don't know if they knew at the time, ret. SSG Dan Robert: is that while everyone had skin in the game what I stood to lose was, ret. SSG Dan Robert: the medical retirement and stuff. And I was like not looking at getting out and good enough shape. I literally had an MRI on my back this morning. I had two yesterday, one with, and one without contrast. For two different other problems that I'm having. It's like I'm still dealing with a lot of those issues. I knew I would, so I was like, man, I'm gonna need this support when I get out. And it was like, easy answer. Get ret. SSG Dan Robert: the shot, shut [00:11:00] up and we give you your retirement. And we just leave you alone and let you do your thing. Or it was like, the more I was learning and the more I saw there, I was like, no, you can't do that cause you're never gonna see it. The danger was so high. And then plus after I really dug into it and became aware of the illegality of the mandate and the way it was being pushed, I was like, no, you know what, ret. SSG Dan Robert: Our soldiers need to know this stuff, all the time as a drill sergeant, when a private would mess something up, cuz like we all did, man, I was a mess when I was a private too, I, ret. SSG Dan Robert: most of the time just getting scuffed up and basic, you know what I mean? My first dip I ever had in my life was in basic training, so just like terrible experience, that night. But yeah, both in trying it as well as the punishment that came with it. So I know I've been on both sides of that thing. I'm not gonna say I was a saint my whole career, but I mean I, I learned some of the hard way. There's some smart ranger, some strong ranger stuff in there, right? And then but anyway I always said when these kids mess up, I'd always take 'em in the office. I'd bring a battle buddy cuz they gotta have somebody with 'em. And I would explain to 'em like, you have rights here. I'm gonna talk to you about what a counseling is and I don't really look at like a negative counseling. I was like, this is a record of a [00:12:00] conversation. I was like, there's a plan of action and we're just moving forward with this. But I didn't try to tell them like, that paper is not the punishment. And I would explain to them their rights. And then when they had to do like rights waivers and stuff, I was ret. SSG Dan Robert: like almost taking like paralegal levels of interest and explaining it to them. I really care about that. So this was the same thing. I was like hey, like people need to know. People need to know they have a choice and like they don't have to do it cuz ret. SSG Dan Robert: everybody's being told they have to. And I was like, okay, so your subordinates, ret. SSG Dan Robert: your peers and everybody around you absolutely you have a responsibility to protect them. So I was like, just said it to myself, I'm gonna do it. ret. SSG Dan Robert: So then Todd Calender had my number at that point and we started speaking and I told him and David Wilson, who is an attorney outta colorado, I had told them, I was like, look, I'm gonna do it. I will absolutely be like your plaintiff. Let's do this, man. I'll be the tip of the spear. I don't know why it's a staff sergeant, but okay, if I'm the man for the job, let's do it. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then I cut a deal with him. I said no matter what happens, if I go to jail for five years ret. SSG Dan Robert: or if I go to jail for, four or five years or whatever, you're fighting [00:13:00] for me every day until I have an honorable discharge, whatever it takes. I was like, you do not leave me hanging just disgraced at the end of this whole thing. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I will not go down as an extremist, like you guys fight for me. And they, and then they had to put up a fight the whole time because that stuff started real fast. So ret. SSG Dan Robert: we started, we filed shortly after that conversation, and I mean it, it start calls started coming in from the Pentagon, right to. Right down to my company commander almost immediately. I mean, like within two days. Wow. All of a sudden it was like, I remember ret. SSG Dan Robert: my commander calling me in the office and I just remember like all the blood had ret. SSG Dan Robert: drained out of his face and he had just gotten off the phone. He's ret. SSG Dan Robert: he's so I just heard from someone he's like that I hoped ret. SSG Dan Robert: I would never have to talk to in person, let alone on the phone. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And definitely in that tone, and I was like, but he wouldn't tell me who it was. ret. SSG Dan Robert: He's I don't know, maybe someday we can have that talk. And he's just staring at the floor. And I was like, man, I was like, so this is this is heavy and it's big people. I had told, ret. SSG Dan Robert: I had warned him a couple days prior. I was like, Hey, look Sue the [00:14:00] Pentagon. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then like everyone was like, kinda alright. Rob, like maybe I, he just wrote like a angry letter or something and they're like this'll fizzle out. Somebody will yell at me and it'll be ret. SSG Dan Robert: over. Boy were they wrong? I mean we, you know, like with the work of everything, we helped it together. Like man, we took the fight up. Like we took it hard, man. Like we definitely, we did way better than I thought I was going to be honest. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I thought that like after we hit a certain point I thought we were gonna top out and then there was gonna be some military order way of just like shutting us up and they tried everything in the book and man, here we are. We're still on our feet, we're still kicking, we're still fighting. Even Todd told me your case is still, I know I was gonna ret. SSG Dan Robert: say a couple days ago, he said, your case is still going. It's still going. There's elements of criminality and the things that we're accusing the dod of. So that's why it wasn't just about our, ours was never purely just Hey, we don't want to mandate, which I think a lot of the cases were. So when the mandate went away, while standing case is gone, but we had like elements of criminality, obviously the DMed stuff we can get into. That was a nightmare, obviously, [00:15:00] especially for you guys. And then, like just all that stuff. It just, yeah, that's that's my less than 20 word version of like how I got into it, and I mean it's like you'd have to just jump around and ask what happened next at that point Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. One thing that's really interesting about Todd's case in your case cuz Todd's the lead counsel and you're obviously the lead plaintiff on it, it's considered Robert V. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Austin. And, it seemed like when I met. And talked to Dale Sarn, it was right at the right time. That's, I don't know where you are in faith. I'm a believer in God, and I think everything happens in the right time. And I think you were the right person for this fight because you, you're so salty about it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're so great at being that nco that's kind that father figure that's no, bro, you got rights and you better stand up for your rights because no one else will. And in teaching the younger service members that, but my medical exemption was a different angle that no one had looked at this at where it was. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm gonna talk about the medical exemption. I'm not talking about the affidavit because that would be wrong for me to talk [00:16:00] about a lawsuit that's against the US government since I'm still wearing since I'm still in the service. But my. Medical exemption was about how these products and these, the stuff in it, the lipid nanoparticles are not validated for human use. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so my hope is that whenever this case gets to the end, they'll go, okay, we'll never be able to use anything with these lipid nanoparticles in it because they're, all of them are not fit for human use. It's right there, you can go find it for yourself. But no one seemed to look at that before. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, I remember. And, and you and I, man, when I first met you, when we first started talking man, I thought at the time, and like a lot of people, they'd asked me questions or they would try to throw something at me about it. And I was pretty much, I was like, no one in this room knows Covid better than me, dude. I'm gonna tell you about the shot, I'm gonna tell you about the laws. I'm gonna put you in your place. And I had to be ready to, yeah. I had to keep an edge on me all the time because like at any minute like that was constantly turning on me. And I just had to make it such an over like, And overreaction and ret. SSG Dan Robert: Be so on point with my notes and stuff that I was like, man, I am, [00:17:00] I am the guy right now. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I'm the one that knows this best. And then I met you, man, and then I was just like, man, I am the one. I, there's so little that I even understood medically Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. That you're being too kind. But thank you. ret. SSG Dan Robert: No, for real. It's a real thing that, I felt, I was like, man, there's so much more that I needed to know. And I started digging and listening to stuff that, that you had talked to me about too, and just all of the 5 0 5 s really each had to bring something to the table that I didn't have an awareness of. You and Theresa Long and Brad Miller and I can't even remember all of them. At the, off the top of my head there was a bunch, but all of you guys had information and knowledge and stuff, especially the doctors that even Peter Chambers you know, too. And I had conversations with him. He's been very vocal, especially since he's been able to leave which is great. And it's like, All that information came in. So I just ret. SSG Dan Robert: And I hate to throw this word around, but it's the only thing that sounds appropriate. Honestly, it's, I got groomed into a legal weapon at that point, so like I was all of your voices in one person. And then it just took, yeah, I, my kind of I had a reputation back in the 82nd of being [00:18:00] like the Lord of war, like the Nicholas Cage movie because ret. SSG Dan Robert: He was just like this smooth talk in slick hair, dude that in a suit that just show up and cut some crazy deal and nobody else could handle. And all the time, like our battalion would be down like $30,000 in airborne supplies trying to build door bundles or something. And I'm like, hold on. Zip across post. And just like couple handshakes, couple smiles, like whatever, have a conversation. All of a sudden I'm back with everything we need. So like ret. SSG Dan Robert: I just, I try to just maintain that confidence and that's how everything moves on Fort Bragg. It's just who, absolutely. But that was the thing. Yeah. So I just took that with me ret. SSG Dan Robert: and it was just open door, this person, open door, this person get in this person's face, and I'd see a shitty email or something come across we're not putting up with this, we're not recognizing this exemption or something like that. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And I was like, Okay. And I head on up to their office and find them, walk in the walk into like basically the, the G three or something like that, and fourth floor. Okay, Colonel, there we go. And then just I would just show up and the difference is I'd be able to like just have a conversation with these people and I was like, Hey look, I want you to understand where I'm coming from. [00:19:00] And I think that a lot of people on their side, ret. SSG Dan Robert: especially, major general Donahoe man, that is an evil human being. I hate that dude to this day too. Especially for everything he put all of our team through. And then just, I, like I said, I worked at the Covid facility for a short time on Fort Benning when I first got there, which is something I almost completely forgot about. Which was a nightmare. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I literally was like just Auschwitz on Fort Bedding, it was like, just like the craziest thing. Wow. I just took all the sick people and crammed them into rooms and just isolated them. It was like about the equivalent of just like sliding a tray of food under their door every day was pretty much how it was. And like there was people in there that needed like access to mental health and things like that. And just were cut off in a way that, I'm not gonna say that it was the worst conditions possible, but I really, I did not like the way that it was being managed and it just seemed really absurd to me. But I understood, at the time that what they were trying to handle good. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I did my residency at Fort Benning. So family medicine residency and, we'd get sick privates up on the floor, they had the flu and they weren't sick. [00:20:00] And we'd always wonder like, why can't they just go be in some unit where we just check on 'em once a day or once every other day? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Why do they have to be admitted in the hospital and. Diving into that story a little bit more, there was a reason some private went to a unit just like that and then was found dead the next day. And you can't leave people alone when they need medical help. And yeah. We admitted a lot of people that didn't really need to be admitted because they needed the oversight. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They needed to be taken outta training. They needed to. And it just, it sounds like from what you're describing, it sounds like they went back to what they knew did not work. ret. SSG Dan Robert: So the thing was is that like some companies if you, anyone ret. SSG Dan Robert: that's been to basic training, we had the older style buildings. ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's called the Starship. Basically there's four companies like branching off of the center of the building, which had like your classroom staff duty, like your command hallway and stuff. But it, yeah, it had just an older school Starship look to it, just kinda the way the structure of the building was. All the CTAs where we'd stand on the concrete, ret. SSG Dan Robert: yell at 'em and give 'em child and stuff was downstairs like open first floor. It's almost like the building was on stilts. Most of the companies would take and [00:21:00] not take a full fill of like 220 privates and then have an empty bay. And as they got sick, they could rotate 'em to that bay and then keep them. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. Together. But yeah, all your sick people are together. They're gonna come in at different times. Like I understand there's ways to work around that. Some people manage that very well. Just an internal covid protocol. And then for some reason the base was just taking everybody from all the schools everywhere, all over. There was even, I remember one night we were like supposed to basically check on people and go through there. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And they had rules, like if they're in their room, they weren't supposed to have the door locked and there's like elements of privacy. It wasn't like I could just barge in their sleep, right? But there was a time that they were supposed to be outside just as like a health and wellness check. And this one door didn't have anybody at it, but I only had names of the people in the room banging on the door, doors locked. I'm banging on the door and I'm a drill sergeant. I'm getting a little pissed, right? Because this was, honestly, this is where all the privates were, but when it happened was, that's how you find a dead person plus. So I was like, yeah, I'm getting pretty pissed. And then I started to yell at this door, and then somebody starts screaming back and I'm, I [00:22:00] was told there's a private in this room, right? ret. SSG Dan Robert: So I'm getting really mad. And about to tear this thing off the wall opens the door and there's two E seven s and a chief warrant officer in there and like another officer. And I was just like, What I was like, oh man, hey look I am sorry. However, like you were notified of the formation. Just, but it was just stuff that I was just like, wow. They just ran outta space and they were just cramming everybody all into maybe multiple people in these rooms and stuff too. But it was just like, I don't even really wanna get hang hung ret. SSG Dan Robert: up on that too much. But like, where was I going with major General Donahoe? ret. SSG Dan Robert: Oh yeah. So he like had a kind of a personal mission to get rid of me after I had filed the case. And then after the big one was the Fox interview. I was worried at the time because I was trying to get stuff out on social media about, I was like trying to ret. SSG Dan Robert: tell more people, but at the time I had 150 followers. I didn't even have an Instagram for very long and stuff like that. So I was like, I don't know how to, how do I tell people, I can tag big pages, maybe some influencers and stuff. No celebrities spoke up or cared at all, which was super [00:23:00] weird. For the first cause in history, not one. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Has had anything to say about it, especially the military. I didn't know how to get the word out. And then Todd said, I want you to think very seriously about this question. Do you want to go on the news? And I actually, I'm not saying I didn't believe him, but I didn't think it would happen so fast that I was just like, yeah, what? What do you have in mind? And he's there's like Washington Times we could do an article. He's but Fox wants to put you on live on Thursday. And I was like, oh God. I was like yeah man. You know what people need to know. And like I said at the beginning we knew so little man and we knew a lot for what we did, but we didn't even know the DMed data hadn't happened yet. ret. SSG Dan Robert: My case hadn't been dismissed the first time yet. None of that stuff had gone down, and we were just like, we were just only a couple months past the, the mandate even being initiated. We didn't know about the NDCs, we didn't know about the market end date. There's so many things we knew that were just, everything was just ace in the hole to crush it. And then we just couldn't. But back then I thought the most important thing is there's a lot of people like me right now that are not scared, but they're having to make [00:24:00] a choice and they know there's some danger in this thing, and like they've been told it's illegal or not. And the way that these units are enforcing it and treating people is like very new. We had not treated anything like this before. I'll dare say not even anthrax, because anthrax was not a threat to the force stateside in a way that had caused a reaction all the way through your family homes, your gyms, your chow halls. It was like a deployment requirement more than anything. So this was like precedent setting to me, at least in the way that I saw it. So I was like, people need to know. People need to know. I, this is the best way that I can just stand on a mountaintop and scream it. So I was like, just go on, be confident and just tell everybody what's going on. Just let 'em know Hey, there's a fight on in your name. It's my name. And like it's easy to find and this is what we're gonna do. And, and we talked about it at the time. Todd had mentioned 55 different suppressed medications that were potential treatments at the time ivermectin, and things like that. Hydroxychloroquine all of that stuff had come out of our mouth and stuff, and I think that's why it aired live. And then with four hours later, my interview was gone for me whole internet, like off [00:25:00] the Fox archives wow. Off of YouTube, like everywhere. It was just like, they're like, holy shit, get this gone now. But it was just enough. It was just enough that people saw it. And funny enough, it was all the military meme pages that picked it up that caught onto it and then reached out and then they started pumping my stories and stuff and getting information out and talking to me. Yeah. That Danny and the crew over there at Terminal. Absolutely. Man, and I thought about it after the interview ret. SSG Dan Robert: with Mike Glover. I was like, man, there's so many people I didn't even get to mention and ret. SSG Dan Robert: The work those guys have done is so tireless. I burn out. I've deleted Instagram from my phone multiple times and I was just like, I'm don't, I just need a couple days, I'll just drop off the face of the earth. And, those guys just stay on the gas pedal, man, and they, I don't understand how they do it. The dedication is just like unparalleled anything I've ever seen, and but those guys helped get it out. And then, how many, which version of terminal c w o is he on page number 12? Oh. I, you know how he'd get yeah, I know. He'll get $50,000 and then he'll get his page. Yeah. Like it just [00:26:00] happen over and over again. So those guys helped get it out. And then, like I said the personal war of just like everybody Kill Rob started it at. It's yeah, just every, everyone wanted to know where I was all the time, like what they, and I was worried I was like, man, they're not gonna want me talking to this new class of privates. And I did really good. I honestly, I separated. No I know, it's hard to say, but I'd come in the morning and I'm like, and we, we'd have the briefs night before, and they're like, all right, zero four tomorrow morning. They're getting their second round of shots. And like most people would just look at me and they're like, Hey, you can just come in at nine. And I was like, two thoughts. One, I'll be there. Yeah. I was like, if I'm there, I'm gonna ask questions and they're not gonna like it. I wanna make a scene. And I did a few times even for other units, people had called me and they're like, dude, they're saying they've got the approved shot here, and I was just like, they don't, dude, I promise it's not real. And I showed up and I went outside. I dragged their commander and their first sergeant outside. I was like, look, this is what's going on. I was like, you guys don't have to get in today. I was just like, they're, they'll probably going to go through the line and understand, if they [00:27:00] say no, there's no legal recourse to punish them for this thing, ret. SSG Dan Robert: And they, they'd be sitting there who the hell is this staff sergeant? This random drill is out here. Just telling this company commander and the xo and I have like all the pls around me in a circle of some random company. I was just like, Hey, they don't have to do it, man. That's absolutely not true. So like I, it created enough problems that I, there was like a little period there that like, mps were floating around outside there, and I think they were just kind waiting for me to be like dude, get outta here. You're not a part of this unit. I think that was like interfering. But the funny thing is the commanders would listen. Awesome. And they'd be like, alright, if they don't have it, then whatever, dude. And I was like, if you don't believe me, I'll take you inside right now. I'll say, show me what you're saying you have. And if it's not it, I was just like, man, I'll never talk to you again if it's, if they have it. ret. SSG Dan Robert: I'm like, if they do then all I ask is do not punish your soldiers for making a choice that they're legally in the right to say. And like I said, multiple times, like I was just like this. So I got to pop up and be this like like folk hero on betting for a little bit cuz some units, like I said, the people knew and they'd see me. They'd they'd be filing by line or they'd put messages out and stuff and then they'd see my jeep pull up [00:28:00] and me hop out. And it was just funny cuz they're like, people were like, like cheering. I was just like, dude, I got you. I'm going in. It's just funny, man. It's like that's the stuff that kind of kept me going at the time. But like I said, we didn't even know everything. All I knew is they didn't have the approved thing yet, but man, the dark story that, that turned out to be, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, when I was ordered to, to take it they told me they're doing the rodeo all week. I have to show up until they're done or I get the shot, which is huh, that's weird. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Multiple days this week I gotta show up and just sit there as a major. Yeah. Whatever. So I sit there the first day and I asked my hospital commander who just got I don't, she was only in place for two years. Usually command is three years. You do what you want with that. But she's no longer the commander as of yesterday, which is great. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I showed her the vial. I said, ma'am, this says EUA on it. So this is not ancy. You should have seen a fire in Rise. And so they had me go sit off to the side and I talked to some, company commander and I said, Hey, this is not legal. We'll get together and talk after this if you'd like. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I don't wanna talk in front of all the privates, cuz it's not [00:29:00] legal. Yeah. And as we're talking, some guy next to me is my arm's going numb and it's terrifying, and the nurse is oh, that's fine. That happens to everyone all the time. I gotta go mar for that. And then they, I was handing out constitutions and they said, why signal off? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Why don't you just not come for the rest of the week? Two days is enough for you. We don't need you to be here handing out constitutions anymore. ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's just people didn't understand that, like it was a bad thing to being in a squeaky wheel. And it didn't. Did not work out for everybody. Some of you guys, like I said, ate tons of go Mars court marshals, Mark Bashaw that just absolutely stayed. Just the truest straightest arrow throughout the whole thing. Persevered and then, has really like dire consequences. You, his whole family suffering and, is about to because of this. And they have this entire ret. SSG Dan Robert: time. I honestly like I don't wanna get into it so much. I, part of the reason I ended up with a divorce in the middle of all that stuff too is cuz the amount of stress this was putting on families and everything that was going on and. Man, between the healing and stuff that was going on, plus the drill time, plus the covid stuff, plus the case, plus everyone [00:30:00] that was getting involved in our lives, it absolutely ripped my relationship apart because of just the amount of stress that it was taking out on everyone. And then one night a, ret. SSG Dan Robert: An MP followed me all the way home from the gas station. And it was weird cause, this dude went like lights out and just followed me on my bumper and I was like, okay, what the fuck is this? I was like, this dude is definitely following me for a reason. It was like only eight o'clock at night, but it was pretty dark. And I turned down my driveway, which was this long alleyway like thing on post at the time. And I rushed inside the house just so I could tell my wife At the time I was just like, Hey, this cop just followed me down here. I don't know, it's about to go down. I don't know if I was worried. I'm like, I think, I don't know FBI's about to raid the house or something, but I was like, put the dogs up. I was like, get like these things out of here. There's some, we had some protocols just in case that kind of stuff happened. There's some thumb drives that needed to move, people that needed to get called and stuff like that. That's the state of fear she was living to. And ret. SSG Dan Robert: and then I'm like, man, I also don't know. I don't even know if that's a real MP outside. You ret. SSG Dan Robert: know what I mean? I don't know what kind of danger I'm in and I'm just, there's like literally a dark [00:31:00] alley out back of my house and I was like, man, I go outside with a gun. ret. SSG Dan Robert: This is gonna go a lot of different ways. You know what I mean? So I was just like, I'm gonna have to make a choice. I see the dude standing outside my vehicle, outside in the dark and I was just like, All right. Fuck it, dude. So I just go out and I'm just like, Hey man, what's going on? And then we just, I end up in this like kind of tense standoff for a minute and he had to tell me he's. Oh yeah, he just you got a flat tire, man. He is if you look this thing's like riding on the ground. He's but if I light you up, I gotta like, call it in and stuff. He's yeah, I just wanted to make sure he let you know, dude, like the thing's, this thing's pretty far down. And I was just like, dude, I was like, just light me up next time. What's wrong with you? I was like, don't do that. Yeah. Now the story that I did tell of that and is because there was two other things that happened Yeah. That were dangerous. That I'm not gonna talk about right now. Just cause it'd honestly be too hard for me. More than anything. But we lived in that fear all the time that, you know, Never. Every night I'm coming home and she didn't know is this the night the door's getting kicked in? They're gonna shoot my dogs. I didn't know, if they were gonna, whatever day I was gonna show up to work. Yeah. Every time I scanned my [00:32:00] ID at the gate, I wait. I waited every single time for them to be like, Hey, sir, I need you to pull over here. And just that, the tension, ret. SSG Dan Robert: because that was happening to some of the people. Some of the people that were on my case that were whistleblowers, that got us like the vaccine, like the inventory systems from their base, c i d showed up at their houses, arrested them. These dude left their homes in cuffs laptops, phones seized. This stuff was going on around me. So we were living in fear, but I was like, I have to keep going, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and we have a mutual friend, and I'm not gonna mention his name, just to protect his in innocence, but they took firearms out of his home and kept them right. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And yeah, they drug him out of a giant conference hall. And it's bad things. They almost had him admitted against his will for psychiatric reasons, which he had no psychiatric reasons to be admitted. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. The thing that I think a lot of people don't know is that I was there that night for the whole thing. The only part, oh yeah. So that individual called me Wow. In the middle of that. And I basically was the first time in my whole career, I think I was thankful for wearing a mask. So I showed up to the hospital and this is a [00:33:00] story that like, ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's careful. I get very careful about, how I talk about this part. I showed up to the hospital and I had, had my tattoos covered up and like my hood on, I basically looked up the Unibomber, like mask on in the middle of the night and stuff. And I basically talked my way past the the hospital security, the nPS is like unit people, everybody that was there. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And I made it all the way into his room where he was being monitored and watched by all these layers of security. And I was able to talk to him. I got to check on him face to face. I got to hug him. And then when I did that, I mean everything in his pockets ended up in my pockets. Which included recordings of some of those phone calls and conversations and some of the people that admitted him and the conversations that cuz you know, you remember the questions and how crazy that was, that had ret. SSG Dan Robert: nothing to do with his like psychological health. It was all political. So you unloaded that stuff in my pockets and then I talked my way back out of the hospital and I made ret. SSG Dan Robert: it. To the point where that information and the stuff that he handed me was able to make it to the [00:34:00] attorneys, to the doctors. And then we know man, the story that blew open that night. And they were able to get him out. But I was, yeah, I was there for it. And that's one of the stories I've been really quiet about. But if you do get the chance to talk to him again about it, like you gotta hear his, his side of it, I'm sure you have at this point, but it's, it was a pretty wild evening that went on and then yeah I can't think of definitely in the top three people I think that dealt with the most persecution for trying to help soldiers. ret. SSG Dan Robert: For sure. And as soon as that guy is safe, I promise I'm putting him in front of every mountain mountaintop he can scream from, just the mouth can just go on full auto and just, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, when he is, when he's out, I want to get him to speak at this venue cuz if he's willing to cuz and he's seen some stuff and just for doing the right thing. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. And for really easy stuff like very similar to what I was doing in a different platform. He, like the theater incident, he basically was just like, Hey, that's not true. You guys have rights. And they're like, they arrested him. I was super, in the end of what they said, he [00:35:00] was arrested for that. After again, this complicated two, three step thing that happened before that was the result, but that is what ended up happening over it. ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then, I had pushed information to multiple bases and I had little satellite information warfare things at pretty much every post in the military. And I had people. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Calling me and they're like, Hey, I, man, I'm in a brief right now and they're telling me they have this thing. And I'm like, I'm telling you, they don't, dude. I'm like, ask him this question. Ask him this question. I was like, I wanna see lot numbers. What does it say on the vial? Does it say eua? And then those people literally did the exact same thing. Like I have friends of mine, I'm still very good friends with now that stood up in these theaters, ask these questions and then and were able to like play stump the chump. On one of those bases, a brigade had to cancel the entire briefing cuz ret. SSG Dan Robert: they're like, Hey, we're not really sure about this. We're unaware what's going on ret. SSG Dan Robert: because we want to get you the right answer. We're, this is still going forward. You guys are still getting go Mars and all that. They were still telling him that, but they're like but they're like, we just wanna validate some of this information. ret. SSG Dan Robert: He literally just was [00:36:00] a bombshell for doing the same thing and it was effective. And then he ended up basically in a, a briefing with his battalion and brigade commander explaining his like, Hey look like. I understand what you're doing and I think I said, I think ret. SSG Dan Robert: the message a lot of people had, I think when they first heard about me and like some of those things that were going on, I think they thought I was a very like, black flag waving like extremists, like anti-government. Like I think that's how this stuff was being pitched up at the top. That they're like, this dude, this poor, he's like just sowing insurgency in the force. Like I think that's how the briefs were coming down. So that's why I worked really hard. I'm serious. Yeah. And yeah, like I said, there was like extremism stuff got thrown around a bunch of times and I, that's why I worked really hard to do the Lord of War thing, man. And I would just clean up and go up there and be presentable, and just have a conversation with somebody. Look, I'm not here to do this. I have brought everything to show you. I've highlighted these things and like honestly I tried to make it as Crayola simple for these infantry brigade commanders and stuff as I could just cuz I'm like, I think it's, their attention span is short for it. Cuz they already know what they're gonna do. They wanna made their decision. But like I, it was [00:37:00] funny because I'd always finish up the conversations with a threat, I was just like, I've shown you how like illegal this is. If this was happening in different conditions, this is a war crime. And I, I just, I would hate to see you get wrapped up in, charges for something like that. You know, just I would I would always throw those things out there and yeah, man, sometimes that played out for me and sometimes it did not. But it was like I had to roll the dice on it. I look back at this and ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's funny, it's I'm laughing about it now, but man, this is a fucking dark time for everybody. This was really hard on all of us, and like I said, and it's just I, this is very dark time ret. SSG Dan Robert: for our country and even now as much stuff as I've covered is maybe October, February, it's maybe four months. All of everything we've talked about is maybe the first four ret. SSG Dan Robert: months of the mandate, to be honest. Because we hadn't even gotten to the D data. Wow. Which like, Yeah, I want to hear your side on some of that, because I know you were one of the original whistleblowers on it and like how I don't know, it came into your possession or how you got it out. Like I don't know what you can talk about. Cause I know you still have like I said, there's still legal stuff going on, but I just [00:38:00] I don't think people even understand like how that stuff turned up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I was, I had already put in my first. Qualified resignation. So unqualified means, Hey, just let me out. I put in a qualified one saying, I wanna get out and stop all this BS and, we'll just say, Hey, we don't meet each other's expectations and we'll go on our way. And while I'm waiting for that answer actually it was maybe a week after I got the answer no. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Long called me. Theresa called me and said, Hey, Soff, get on your computer real quick. Look at this website. Never heard of it, ma'am. Okay let me get in here, put this in here. She said I've gotta be wrong. I'm doing something wrong. I have to, I pray to God I'm doing something wrong. But it looks like, there's a thousand percent increase in this disease and 400% increase in that disease and 300 and Nope, I'm getting the same exact thing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what that means. And then about a month later is when and she was very good about this whole thing. She said, we gotta keep it quiet. We can't tell anybody because they could change it. And, she went so far as to even videotaping herself. Doing the, pulling up the [00:39:00] information so that no one could say, oh, she's faked all this information and I saved it, and various other people saved it and it's been shipped all over the country. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and then when it finally came out would you believe it that Senator Ron Johnson told the Secretary of Defense to not change any of the information and he must protect it? And then a day later, the entire database gets taken down? Everything gets changed, and through some Politico email interview they put up. Oh, it was just a glitch in our system. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, I remember that that Politico article. I remember that coming out too, because. It was so hard for me to believe, like how quick everybody was like, oh, yeah, see, it was just a mistake. That's literally how like most of my command acted. They're like, man, whew. This was a really big deal and you had us scared there for a minute. I thought people were actually getting hurt. And no. This Politica article, I was like, since when do we take orders? Like from something like that, man. And I was just like, you really, that was enough information for you to just be, yeah. To be done with it. And it was, and I was ret. SSG Dan Robert: like, all right work continues. But yeah, that was [00:40:00] a, that was a wild time. I'll never forget my first time I got handed a copy of that the night that like, because like you said, it got distributed and I remember the night that it made it to me, I was crushed. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Like I, it's, I'm not even gonna go into it cause I'm gonna get super emotional talking about it, but like I know. What it must have been like for you two to feel like you were sitting on something that like. I don't know. I can't imagine what that felt like to be like probably ret. SSG Dan Robert: the only two people in the world that were aware of it at that time. ret. SSG Dan Robert: You know what I mean? Like how that must have felt that is such a burden. And then to have that point in history where you guys had to decide what are we going to do with ret. SSG Dan Robert: this? How do we do this? And then to know that you did it perfect. ret. SSG Dan Robert: You did everything you guys could, right? And then still, like the powers of being and the evil was like going to do what they did. But like the people that know and needed the truth, we all got it because of you guys. I can't even imagine what that must have felt like ret. SSG Dan Robert: to be in that position, cuz yeah man, that's just, that's this heavy, and Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. And it was over like Christmas break or something and man, my heart just sunk [00:41:00] when I was looking at this stuff. And it was, as a doctor we're good at dissociating a little bit and you have to because otherwise it's impossible to keep the fight. And the example I've used before and I. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm sure you've done some scout work or you're at least familiar with that, but the best way to describe it is, let's say you've got a small platoon of, maybe 30 guys and you send your scouts up to go look over the ridge line and look down, down the hill and down there you see a hundred thousand enemy troops. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the scout says, don't worry about it. There's nobody down there. You'll be fine. And then those 30 guys go over the hill and just get obliterated. That's exact. So the scout would be the medical system DMed that was stood up to see what medical threats are facing the service members. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And to put out those eyes of that scout is akin to treason. And because it took more than one person to take down the system and put it back up with new numbers, it takes a conspiracy, at least two people working together. So that is conspiracy for treason. Yeah. Unquestionably that is the magnitude of what happened. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, absolutely. And that's a, that's another [00:42:00] thing that I think people just don't understand. There wasn't some tasking that came down to some specialist in S one. ret. SSG Dan Robert: They're like, Hey, can you fix that tracker? It's not just I don't just drag and drop, highlight things red and click the color green. Like that's not exactly how that's edited. Yeah. The ret. SSG Dan Robert: massive amount of information that was attached to that thing. And then just obviously what the implications were. Like I can't imagine, the, what kind of like resources took to, to change that. I can't imagine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I got you back. Lemme hit. Okay, we're recording. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Okay. So I'm not sure where it dropped off there for a second, but I was starting to say this wasn't some specialist that changed the color tracker. And I. I can't imagine what kind of resources that took or what level, but then as I sit back, I'm like, no, I can. And I, and ret. SSG Dan Robert: I actually, I could put names and faces to it, and that's the hard part is knowing the truth and yeah, feeling betrayed on that level, I guess as a soldier who was like standing up for the stuff that we thought, we were always trained to do and the things we were told were just a value. [00:43:00] And then, yeah, being treated like criminals for that by people that were actually committing, like you said, conspiracy and treason. It's a really hard time, to balance that stuff and figure out how to make choices. And I will say I commend all of us ret. SSG Dan Robert: on taking legal roads to handle that because boy, if the frustration didn't put the darkest stuff in our heads, I'm sure at every time, and especially when we were scared and then being like, persecuted individually, like I, it means a lot that we stayed so professional the entire time, conducted ourselves legally. And then that's why we're still able to walk around out here and live. Our lives because, we did do the right thing. We're not criminals. We're not just waving a black flag like we really did stand up for the right thing. And that's it's protected us. And whether you think that comes from maybe a religious belief as well as like just maybe the tiny shred of legal system, it still works. Either way. I think it has a lot to do with, like I said, I think it speaks so much to the, the professionalism of our team that we were able to keep it together and do it that way the whole time.[00:44:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Definitely. And that, that team mentality is it was about a year ago, I think you, I put up the episode. Oh, it was 50 weeks ago. So almost a year ago. Ex. Almost. Exactly. This episode where this guy Chad, he's a lieutenant and in the Coast Guard, he called me and we ended up talking cuz there was, like all of us are, Loosely connected and there is pictures of coer floating around. And this is really, I wanna really wanna thank you, the listener, the audience who's been with me on this journey. And I apologize for, the difficulty with the video editing and the audio editing and sometimes it's not great. But you're making a difference because I put that episode out and then shortly after I was I was it was episode 36, it's made in France, not FDA approved. And I got the order that yous, I have to get coine now, cuz now we finally have it. And I asked the colonel that was giving that order, I said what's the lot number? Is it FW 13 3 31 or is it FW 1333? And he said, how'd you know? And I said cuz and then he said, there's rumors out there that this stuff [00:45:00] is not actual er. And I said, yes, sir. I help break that story. And so the viewers and the listeners it's not on me. It's you for pushing back at them for watching this stuff. And, I praise God that I've been able to be given a voice a little bit and get some of this information out to you. But you're making the Pentagon move by listening to some of the things that we're breaking here. ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. And that's a huge deal too. And the other thing that, you know, and I brought this up on, the Black Rifle podcast it was really hard, just jumping way forward to my retirement should step away because I was super worried tha

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And Rick, I wanna thank everybody for supporting me. If you feel inclined to, to go donate at the Gibson Go that my wife set up link is down below. Dr Sam Sigoloff: We've spent over a hundred thousand dollars fighting the d o d trying to restore my good name, get case law in the book, so that this never happens to another physician. To, to protect the Constitution as my Fifth Amendment rights and First Amendment rights have been horribly violated in egregious ways. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Let's get to our guest. Thanks for joining us. Alec. Alec Zeck. Yeah. Of the way forward. It's great to have you. Alec Zeck: Yeah, great to be talking to a fellow service member, although I'm no longer one, but you get what I'm saying. Yeah. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You've still been through the pain. You know Dr Sam Sigoloff: what it's like. Alec Zeck: Yeah, I know what it's like. Alec Zeck: Exactly. Yeah. Good to be here. Alec Zeck: And so you have a big program Dr Sam Sigoloff: that's coming up soon. That's what we're gonna talk about, but I want to probably dive into a little more of the, one of the big subjects that you're covering at this event that you have. It's called The End of [00:03:00] Covid. So what is the end of Covid? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, so of course we know the World Health Organization has announced that the emergency is over and the White House has said the same and. Everyone is taking on a general sense, whether they're alternative leading or not, that all this whole c o d era of their plan, whoever they are is over. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But the reality is it never really began in the first place. And I'll say that in some more alternative leaning, people will say, yeah, I agree it was a big hoax. But then they'll also say, but they're making bio weapons in a lab and we need to be cautious of the future stuff that they're doing with EcoHealth Alliance and all these level bsl, level four labs all over the world. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And the reality is, when I say that it never began, it actually never began in the sense that there was never any proof of any physical material threat that necessitated all [00:04:00] of these health measures in the first place. And that may come across as a shocking statement to some people, but I'm. Of course, happy to get into the details. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And that's what we do with the end of Covid is it's covering all of the granular details of what happened the last three and a half years and beyond, so that we can ensure this never happens again. And I promise that we absolutely, we, the men and women of this world can ensure this never happens again. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But it requires that we are properly informed on what health actually looks like and where freedom comes from in our relationship to the various governments around the world. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So that's interesting and you're touching on a subject that we're gonna dive into here, but when you start looking at truth and you start figuring out, okay, I've been lied about this, I've been lied about that, I've been lied about this. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And you start tugging at that string of truth, it's like a tapestry. It goes here, it goes there, and pretty soon everything unravels and you're like, wow, I didn't expect it to go to this topic or that topic or this topic. And even topics that [00:05:00] we've grown up knowing about, or at least thinking we knew about So what you're talking about is viruses. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Viruses are so interesting to me. Ever since I heard about 'em, like in eighth grade, I was like, it's not alive. How can something not alive hurt me? But it's not really dead because it takes over your cell or is it anything at all? Alec Zeck: Yeah, and this is the question That is the big question and a very important question as it pertains to everything. Alec Zeck: It is the basis for everything that occurred over the last three and a half years, and it underpins much of allopathic medicine and especially so with the vaccine program, which I'm assuming much of your audience is already aware that there are safety and efficacy. Glaring safety and efficacy problems with vaccines, but the reality is much, much deeper than that. Alec Zeck: So I, I like to start this conversation with some [00:06:00] analogies for contextual purposes. And they may seem elementary, but they are absolutely important in how they, we can communicate this idea that viruses may not even exist and have never been proven to cause any sort of disease whatsoever. And so the first one is, From the time that I'm a child, I am told that Santa Claus exists and a number of things in my environment. Alec Zeck: Reify, the existence of Santa Claus, the pictures, the movies, the cartoons, the songs, the decorations, all of the other people around me who are excited about Santa Claus, the Santa Claus sleigh tracking app that I follow on my phone the night before Christmas or Fox News or CNN following Santa Claus trajectory across the sky. Alec Zeck: The piece of beard I find in the fireplace, the cook, half eaten cookies and milk on Christmas morning. The presents under the tree, the reindeer tracks in the yard. Some families [00:07:00] do that. Ultimately, all of these things reaffirm that Santa Claus actually exists and. Especially so when I feel very excited, I have a measurable and observable biological response to the idea of Santa Claus, or I'm very afraid because I haven't been behaving well. Alec Zeck: I've been lying to my parents and they found out and they said, Santa Claus is gonna bring you coal. And then I feel very afraid about the idea of Santa Claus, and it's a measurable and observable biological response. All of these things must mean that Santa Claus actually exists, right? It. But of course, despite the model fitting the idea of Santa Claus and fitting it very well, especially from the vantage point of a child, there are other explanations for those phenomena surrounding the idea of Santa Claus. Alec Zeck: And of course, as a child, at some point we have to break through the cognitive dissonance surrounding that. And luckily the experts on Santa Claus, if you will, are parents. And the [00:08:00] rest of the parents around the world can eloquently explain exactly what was going on with each of those things as we're beginning to unravel that cognitive dissonance. Alec Zeck: So that's the first one. So keep that in the back of your mind. And the second one is this comes from Dr. Cowen's book, the Contagion Myth. And this is my own sort of variation of this thought experiment. If I were to tell you that a ping pong ball could break down a brick wall, Obviously you'd want to see proof of that, right? Alec Zeck: So if I took a bunch of corrosive acid and poured it all over the brick wall, then took a giant mallet and smashed the brick wall several times, and then I taped the ping pong ball to a giant 400 pound boulder and whirl it at the brick wall and the brick wall falls down. Voila. I've proven that the ping pong ball caused the destruction of that brick wall obviously. Alec Zeck: Of course. Yeah, obviously, of course any person thinking logically would say the ping pong ball was completely irrelevant in that whole exercise. [00:09:00] There's no proof whatsoever that the ping pong ball caused the destruction of that brick wall How do both of these thought experiments relate to virology and viruses? Alec Zeck: So if I were to tell you that SARS Cov two has never been isolated or proven to exist or proven to cause any sort of disease whatsoever, which I'm sure some of the people in the health freedom community and some of your audience are loosely familiar with you would likely go onto PubMed. Or maybe if you're familiar with it, you would just say, oh, that's irrelevant, and I'm gonna explain why it's not irrelevant. Alec Zeck: It is absolutely very relevant. You would go onto PubMed though if you've never heard this before. Or you'd go onto Google Scholar or you'd contact a doctor or scientist friend of yours and you'd find one or thousands of studies that claim in the title and in the abstract to have isolated, characterized, and sequenced. Alec Zeck: Come up with a genome for sars COV two. The problem with that is the commonly accepted [00:10:00] definition of isolate that virtually all of the entire world uses, and I've memorized all this stuff. So the Webster's definite Webster's dictionary definition of isolate is to separate from other substances so as to obtain an appear or free state. Alec Zeck: That is what we know to isolation, to mean all across the world, with the exception of virology. Because what we're doing, what we're thinking of isolation to mean is to take one thing and have it completely by itself, separate of all other things. If you were to tell me, Hey, I need you to grab the water bottle out of that messy room from your mom's house, the blue water bottle I have, and she's a hoarder, so it's amongst a bunch of other stuff and you come back with a sock and 30 other things. Alec Zeck: I said no. I want the water bottle. And you're like, okay, fine. I got the water bottle. I've isolated the water bottle. I have it by itself. I can show you that the water bottle exists. I can show you what it's made of. So [00:11:00] if you read the methods section of any of those papers that in the title say they have isolated. Alec Zeck: Sars Cov two or insert literally any other virus, you'll find that the following procedure is done. And keep in the back of your mind the brick wall analogy that I used earlier. So they take snot or other fluids from a person. Yeah. Go ahead. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Before you get too far into this, cuz I wanna cut the knees outta the naysayers. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But Alec, you're not a doctor, Alec, you don't you're a field artillery officer background. Okay, let me put all those to rest because what's important is when someone devotes a meaningful part of their life to studying a particular subject, because they have a passion for it, they become an expert even if they don't have the PhD. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And we talked about this a little before we started recording, even if they don't have the PhD letters behind their name, Alec knows more than most virologists because he's put more time [00:12:00] into it. He's looked into those parts of virology that most people don't look into. He just like, when I was asking why, in reference to the shot and what is this chemical? Dr Sam Sigoloff: What does that compound, what is, what do these rules and regulations mean? What does this little asterisk here next to the M in mRNA, what does that mean? It means modified. Okay no one else looked at that. Why did no one else look at that? Because we just assume what we're given is the truth, and that's what you can never do. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You have to investigate everything, question boldly, the very existence of God for if there is a God, he would prefer honest questioning to blind faith. And that's what Alec has done. Alec Zeck: Yeah. You know this I'm gonna build off what you said and you said that so well, and other people will ask. Alec Zeck: With what I'm about to share here. Do you think all virologists are in on it and because we're speaking here to a crowd that is largely familiar with the problems with vaccines, I'll an, I'll ask you this question. I want you to sit and think on this. Are all [00:13:00] doctors in on this grand scheme when it comes to this understanding that vaccines aren't safe and effective? Alec Zeck: Absolutely not. They've simply been conditioned to believe what they believe, and that's what they're basing their decisions off of in their respective practices and in the way they approach medicine. It's the same thing with virology and virologists. Virologists have been taught this procedure that I'm about to describe, to isolate viruses as if it is a well established, well-known, scientifically rigorous fact on how to isolate viruses and determine pathogenicity. Alec Zeck: That was ultimately established in 19 8, 19 54, with John Franklin Enders having quote discovered the measles virus, which I, of course can get into. But so with this claim that are in these papers that the virus has been isolated. And shown to exist and shown to be pathogenic. Alec Zeck: They've sequenced the genome, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This is the procedure that is done if you read the [00:14:00] methods section, which is the most important section of any scientific paper. Quote, scientific paper, cuz some of them aren't even scientific. They don't adhere to the scientific method, which I'll get to in a minute. Alec Zeck: But any scientific paper, the method section is the most important paper that shows the procedure for how they conducted the experiment. And with virology, this is what they do. They take fluids from a sick person that they, that is claimed to be infected with a virus, right? They take those fluids, assuming that there is a virus present, but never validating the physical existence of a virus, right? Alec Zeck: They then take those fluids and add them to what's known as viral transport, medium or vtm. Inside viral transport, medium at a minimum are amphotericin B and Gentamycin. Amphotericin B is there to keep the viral the. Mixture the fluids from a sick person and the the materials they added to [00:15:00] afterwards, free of fungi. Alec Zeck: And then Gentamycin is there to keep the materials sterile and free of bacteria. But nonetheless, those are two things that are inside viral transport, medium and all. Discuss why that is highly relevant to this procedure here in a second. So they take snot from a sick person, assumed to contain a virus, but they never validate that it's there added to viral transport medium that has these substances inside of it. Alec Zeck: They then take that mixture and add it to a monkey kidney cell, known as a Vero E six, or a Vero CCL 81 cell line coming from an adult green monkey kidney. So these kidney cells that they add this mixture to, they also add more amphotericin B and more gentomycin. Sometimes they use genin rather than gentamicin. Alec Zeck: And remember, those are there to allegedly keep the culture sterile and free of bacteria and fungi. They then add Del Beos, modified eagle medium or [00:16:00] Del Beos, minimal essential medium. They then also add fetal bovine serum, which are essentially, for lack of a better term, food sources for the cell. All right. Alec Zeck: And then they also add trypsin sometimes, which is essentially a, something that breaks down protein. So they add all of these substances to a monkey, kidney cell, alongside fluid from a sick person that they assume contains the virus, but never validate that a virus is there in the first place. And the reason why this is, A problem. There's a number of reasons, but one of the main reasons is that amphotericin B and Gentamycin are known to be cytotoxic specifically to kidney cells. If you look up with a quick Google search keywords, amphotericin, B kidneys or Gentamycin toxic kidneys, you'll find a number of results describing how, as an example, amphotericin B is known to cause renal failure. Alec Zeck: What's renal failure? [00:17:00] That's kidney failure. And they're adding amphotericin B to a monkey, kidney cell, assuming that it has no effect on the cell except for to keep the culture free of fungi. So in addition to that, these are all confounding variables. Think back to the example of the brick wall analogy, right? Alec Zeck: The ping pong ball in this case is akin to the virus, the difference with the ping pong P brick wall analogy. Is that the ping pong ball is what is present. You know it's actually there with this, they assume that the virus is present. Add these other confounding variables that are akin to pouring corrosive acid on a brick wall, akin to smashing the brick wall several times that is dropping the nutrient intake of the culture. Alec Zeck: They drop them amount of fetal bovine serum and DMM that is used, and then they add these cytotoxic antibiotics and antimycotic to the mixture again, without ever revalidating that a virus is present in this experiment in the first place. [00:18:00] Then the cell experiences after basically being starved and poisoned what is called the cytopathic effect, and that's where the cell breaks down into a bunch of fragments. Alec Zeck: They then take those fragments and prepare them for electron microscopy and they produce these electron micrograph images, these little black and white images that we've seen shared all over the world, and they point to the particles on those images and say, voila. That is proof of SARS Cov two. This must have been what was inside the fluids of a sick person. Alec Zeck: This must be what was transmitted from another sick person to that sick person. This must be what was, what caused the cell to experience the cytopathic effect, breaking down to a bunch of fragments, nevermind that we added all of these other things and drop the nutrient intake of the cell. This is the fundamental proof that virology has used for the last several decades to prove the existence and pathogenicity of viruses, and it applies to every single virus. Alec Zeck: You will never find an image [00:19:00] coming directly from the fluids of a sick person of viruses, and you and a virus has never been taken directly from the fluids of a sick person to then be isolated, purified, characterized in sequence. They always follow this procedure of assuming that it's in the fluids and then adding it to a bunch of other substances where, and it breaks down, and then they point to the particles and say, those are viruses. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It seems like there's a lot of assumption going on. First of all, assuming that the illness is caused by a virus. Because as and probably many of our listeners know, there are other things in our environment that are not virus. And you could even have pieces of DNA or RNA released from one human that go to another human that notify 'em, Hey, look, watch out for this chemical or this compound. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Here's how you deal with it. And could we be calling that a virus when it's not? It's just it. It's a piece. It's a strand that's manmade. Not in a lab, but just by you and me when we get exposed to certain chemicals so that we can warn other humans around us. Watch out for this. This is how you deal with it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: There's [00:20:00] other. EMF around us. That's a lot more than it used to be. And it's interesting how when you look back in time as viral illnesses, like if you look back in, in antiquity, almost all of the great pandemics were caused by bacteria until a certain timeframe when we started having radio waves and telegraph waves and all these different antenna telegraph wires that would emit EMF and all these different types of radiation exposure that never happened before. Alec Zeck: Yeah. You're spot on with that and there are other plausible explanations for what's going on because, so this again, just to reemphasize is the foundational evidence for all of modern virology. And ultimately I. It's fundamentally pseudo-scientific. By definition, pseudoscience is anything claiming to be scientific that does not strictly adhere to the scientific method. Alec Zeck: Virology is pseudoscience because they don't adhere to the scientific method. [00:21:00] So the scientific method that we all learned in grade school goes like this, you have an observed natural phenomenon, right? So in the case of this, you could say, okay, I observe multiple people in the same space getting sick with similar or the same symptoms. Alec Zeck: Okay? So then you develop a hypothesis for that observed natural phenomenon, what you think is the cause of it, right? So in this case, you could say, I think there's submicroscopic particles being passed from person to person. Okay? So then in order to proceed with the experiment and before you proceed with the experiment following the steps of the scientific method, which are very clear, you need to have the thing you think is the cause of the observed phenomenon. Alec Zeck: By itself to then vary and manipulate to see if it produces the effect, right? You need to have the IV to see if it produces the dv. That is the whole point of the experiment. So with virology, they don't have their alleged cause the virus by [00:22:00] itself to then vary, manipulate, and in fact, they've never shown that it exists in the fluids of a sick person, according to their own hypothesis. Alec Zeck: So they are still at the hypothesis phase of this whole ideology. So when it comes to virology, It's not even a viral theory. It's still viral hypothesis, because a scientific theory is something that has been tested and corroborated in according, in accordance with the scientific method. So virology has not done this. Alec Zeck: They have no properly identified independent variable, and further they don't even have proper controls either. They, in some of these papers, they will refer to what's called a mock infected culture. And they say the mock infected culture, no cytopathic effect was observed. So the culture is the monkey kidney cell thing. Alec Zeck: The problem with this is when we, when several of us, namely Dr. Mark Bailey, and then a good friend of mine, Jacob Diaz, have contacted the authors of these papers or found. Papers that have supplementary methods section describing [00:23:00] exactly what occurred in the mock infected culture. Remember the purpose of a control experiment is to treat it exactly the same except for the independent variables not present, right? Alec Zeck: To see if the independent variable is truly the cause of that phenomenon. And again, with virology, they don't even have an independent variable. Let's, but let's say in the case of this, it would be, we could make concessions and say, okay, even though you don't have a proper independent variable, and they have all these excuses for why they can't take it directly from the fluids of a sick person, we could still play with it and conduct some semblance of what would be a proper control experiment. Alec Zeck: But what they do is they treat the mock infected culture with less amphotericin B and less Gentamycin, sometimes using a completely different cell line. So they're not treating the mock infected culture the same. And further, if we're assuming So, there's no control, there's no control. There's no control. Alec Zeck: There's no control. Exactly. And that's the point. And again, assuming that they, [00:24:00] that we will play with the excuse for the excuses for why, which I'm happy to get into. They can't take the virus directly from the fluids of a sick person. Let's play with that. That's fine. But wouldn't it then make sense to treat the mock infected culture with fluids from a healthy person to see if the same effect occurs? Alec Zeck: They don't even do that. They, it would just make sense. They literally don't add any requirements. Yeah, exactly. That's the point. It would be a requirement. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And so ultimately, let me describe this piece first cuz this is highly relevant because as I was sorting through my cognitive ance surrounding this, looking into these papers, reading the methods section for myself, I was like, what the heck? Alec Zeck: Okay, but I want to hear directly from the horse's mouth, these experts why a virus cannot be. Taken from the fluids of a sick person why a virus cannot be isolated, purified, characterized, and sequenced directly from the fluid. Sorry, do you wanna go ahead with a question? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. One thing you mentioned is you kinda just said my cognitive dissidents and just very [00:25:00] flippantly mentioned that, but when you really have cognitive, which I know you went through, it was probably similar to what I went through when I learned about food and different ways of eating and how you can treat disease and cure disease and put other diseases into remission with just what you eat. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I was in a cloud for a month, walking confused, didn't know where I was. It was so substantial. And I would imagine that you were going through again, you just, again, I, you just flippantly mention it, but I've been through that dissociative dichotomy where you're just like, I'm told this, I've learned this my whole life, and now I've, this is what I'm learning. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it's, it just, it splits your head in half and it's painful. It's physically painful. Alec Zeck: It is. And this is highly relevant with my own cognitive dissonance surrounding this whole charade, which I'm happy to get to later. I think if we talk about gain of function and things like this it's highly relevant for me. Alec Zeck: So we'll get to, we'll get to that in a second. But the, when you [00:26:00] ask virologists and molecular biologists and other experts that deal with infectious diseases and field surrounding infectious diseases, and you ask them why a virus cannot be isolated, purified, characterized in sequence directly from the fluids of a sick person, they give a number of excuses that if you're attuned to logical fallacies are entirely logically fallacious and completely contradictory towards their own ideas of how this whole thing works, how these diseases are supposedly spread. Alec Zeck: So one of the answers that we get is they'll say that a virus is too weak to isolate or purify directly from the fluids. And how is it con, so can they, and we have the technology to do that. Yeah. This is the question, right? That's the question that I ask. I say, that's interesting. You say that it's too weak to isolate or purify directly from the fluids of a sick person. Alec Zeck: Okay. Then how come you also say that a virus travels through free freely through the air, lands on a surface, survives on a surface for upwards of two to three days, makes it to a [00:27:00] body, makes it all the way to a cell, breaks into the cell, hijacks the cells. Machinery begins a replication process where it then overwhelms that person is excreted out of them, where it repeats the same process over. Alec Zeck: So it's too weak to isolate or purify directly from the fluids of a sick person where you claim that it is, but then it is strong enough to do all of these other things and is strong enough to literally infect someone and kill them. That makes no sense. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That's because Santa Claus is only around on December 25th. Alec Zeck: Yeah, this is exactly right. This is, and this is why the Santa Claus analogy is so relevant too, because like ultimately when you're fibbing to your kids about Santa Claus, you're coming up with all these excuses. And ultimately what that is in actuality is called a reification fallacy. Alec Zeck: You're providing excuses for why the kids can't find Santa Claus, despite Santa Claus allegedly existing. And a reification fallacy is where you assign characteristics to something that is still fundamentally abstract that has not been proven to exist in reality. [00:28:00] So when it comes to anything surrounding viruses describing, oh, how viruses are only gonna be infectious in this way, or viruses can't be isolated because X, Y, and Z, or a virus mutates over time, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Alec Zeck: That's ultimately a reification fallacy cuz you're assigning characteristics to something that is still fundamentally abstract. And then the other excuse that they commonly give is that there's not enough virus present inside the fluids of a sick person to isolate or purify directly from the fluids. Alec Zeck: And then a quick Google search will show you estimates of 200 million virus particles in one sneeze. So you're telling me that this highly pathogenic infectious agent that is allegedly killing people is there's not enough of it in one sneeze. That makes no sense. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But there's enough to make you sick. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Just not enough to isolate and actually use. Alec Zeck: Yeah. Yeah. Just not enough to find. Yeah. So then the cognitive dissonance when, and I urge [00:29:00] anyone listening to what I'm saying, first off, to, of course, check out the end of Covid, where we go into extensive details. In fact, the first two modules for the end of C O V I D cover virology, I think it's somewhere around like 16 hours of content just in the first two modules dissecting all these claims surrounding virology and getting into things like genomic sequencing of viruses, the spike protein, getting into things like gain of function, which I'm happy to touch on a little bit later. Alec Zeck: But I urge anyone to look into this for themselves. And then the other thing with this is people operate even amongst the health freedom crowds, as if it is a well established fact that disease is spread via the fluids of a sick person. But this is actually based in an unproven assumption as well. Alec Zeck: And we can refer to a number of experiments that have been done over, up until roughly like 19 40, 19 50, when they stopped doing them for what they say was unethical. Because it was unethical, but it's ultimately because they were not able to [00:30:00] produce the results that they wanted to go with their preconceived notions around how disease was spread. Alec Zeck: And one of the common examples that I'm sure some people are familiar with are the rosenau experiments that occurred during the Spanish flu from 1918 through 1919. During the height of the Spanish flu, Milton Rosenau conducted several experiments on, in two different cor quarantine locations where he took a hundred volunteers from the Navy. Alec Zeck: Of course, he used the military as Guinea pigs because that's what. Is typically done. Sorry, I had to just cuz I knew you'd get it. Yeah. Nothing's changed. Took two volunteers or a hundred volunteers from the Navy and exposed them via various methods to fluids from Spanish flu patients like their nasal secretions, even took infected blood from Spanish flu patients and injected it directly into these healthy patients. Alec Zeck: Took several of the, sorry, of the healthy volunteers, took several of the healthy volunteers, brought them to a Spanish flu ward and had them interact with shake, [00:31:00] shake hands, with, had these Spanish flu patients who were in a Spanish flu ward, open mouth, cough into their faces, had them hug all these things. Alec Zeck: Disgusting. And then it turns out the results of the experiment were zero of the 100 volunteers became sick. And Milton Rosenau was quoted as saying something to the effect of, we went into the outbreak with the notion that we knew how this disease was spread. See, they already had that preconceived idea. Alec Zeck: As much of us do surrounding this whole thing that we know disease is spread via the fluids of a sick person. We know that by being around who's sick, the eye will also get sick. We already know this. It's a well established fact, but it's not because zero out of a hundred in that experiment became sick. Alec Zeck: And that's one of several experiments that during the end of Covid in session 11 called the Proof of Contagion, we go into a number of these experiments claiming to have, or attempting to prove that disease is passed via the fluids of a sick person. And all of them turned out to show the opposite. In fact, one of the examples, some of the [00:32:00] volunteers in a control experiment were injected with saline and more people. Alec Zeck: Were became sick after being infected with saline than those who were exposed to the fluids of a sick person. So that sort of reemphasizes how belief plays into this. And I'm happy to also talk about belief later on during this too, because that's a huge factor according to even the CDC's own data. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that's interesting that the placebo had worse outcomes because usually placebos are, those people do better. That's what we test as yeah. A fake drug to make them think they're feeling better. When we did the exact opposite, we gave 'em a fake injection, making them think they got the illness and then they got the illness. Alec Zeck: Yeah. And this is what's referred to not as the placebo effect, but the nocebo effect. And I highly encourage people to look up the placebo and nocebo effect. You can literally manifest worse outcomes just by your own belief. And I think it's relevant, so I'll just say it. According to the CDCs own data 95% of covid deaths had an average of four [00:33:00] comorbidities, which is not super surprising. Alec Zeck: So that means that only 5% of those that were labeled covid deaths had no additional co-factors for death. 95% of them had an average of four, so it was people who were already very unhealthy, overwhelmingly, who are passing away. And that also brings up the question of what is your definition of healthy at this point? Alec Zeck: Because even those 5% of people who allegedly had no comorbidities, I would've loved to see what their health level was. But in addition to that, 79% of hospitalizations were in overweight or obese people. And the second strongest risk factor for death, according to a study published in part by the C D C in July of 2021. Alec Zeck: Found that the second strongest risk factor for death was fear slash anxiety related disorders. So think about the implications of that. That's not even people who are just in a perpetual state of fear or anxiety wound up in the hospital, wound up being thrown on REM desi severe and a ventilator, et cetera, et cetera, that ended up passing [00:34:00] away. Alec Zeck: These are people who had an anxiety or fear related disorder, meaning I, or implying, I would imagine that they had already been diagnosed previously with a fear slash anxiety related disorder. So it doesn't even account for those who were just in a perpetual state of fear, but that did not have a diagnosis disorder, which really shows how much of a factor fear plays into this whole thing. Alec Zeck: Our belief surrounding something, going back to the Santa Claus example, irrespective of whether it exists or not, can actually manifest symptoms of illness. And a lot of people in the alternative health community will say I wasn't scared of this virus. I wasn't scared at all. I knew it was just the flu rebranded, but. Alec Zeck: Were you afraid of government tyranny? Were you afraid of the uncertainty? And ultimately, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I wasn't. I absolutely was at points. And fear is not discriminating based on whether you're scared of the virus or scared of something else. You were just in a perpetual state of fear. Alec Zeck: And that can lead to real symptoms of illness. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And when this whole thing kicked [00:35:00] off, I was fearful of the virus. Like I, I set up our little we had a little like a garage disconnected from the house and we lived in Alaska below zero temperatures. It's pretty chilly out there. But I set it up to where if I needed to, I could go out there cuz I didn't wanna get, kill my family cuz I was like, oh goodness, this covid thing is gonna kill us all. Dr Sam Sigoloff: 1918 flu all over again if I only did my homework beforehand and realized that's not what it was, either the 1918 flu. Alec Zeck: Yeah and this kind of just shows the level like, cuz I don't know where you were with all vaccines and studying the true nature of the pharmaceutical industry and stuff like that. Alec Zeck: But just prior to this whole charade kicking off, I had already researched the vaccine industry. And in fact my, like I had already had my child, my first son and he was completely unvaccinated because I was aware of the harmful nature and the corrupt nature of the pharmaceutical industry. But I did believe that viruses existed and caused disease. Alec Zeck: But I took the approach without really [00:36:00] exploring terrain that, oh, you won't get as sick, or they won't cause that big of an issue so long as they're not manmade ones. As long as you maintain good health and you eat good organic food and workout and don't hold on to toxic emotions, et cetera, et cetera. Alec Zeck: But when I was. The beginning of this whole thing, I bought into the idea that there was a gain of function, lab made virus. In fact, I was one of the people who was taking the natural version that you can buy at Whole Foods or Natural Grocers or Trader Joe's of like disinfectant wipes and like wiping down all my food before I brought it inside. Alec Zeck: And this was back in like January of 2020 because I was following some Reddit subs and I saw how they were describing that a virus likely escaped from a lab. And this was before the mainstream was really touching on any of this. This was around December, 2019, leading into January, 2020. I was like, oh my God. Alec Zeck: They finally succeeded [00:37:00] in creating one of these bio weapons or creating another one of them. And this is gonna be lethal. Cause I was seeing all these images and videos of Chinese people dropping dead in the streets, which I now have come to understand was total state run Chinese propaganda. But I bought into it. Alec Zeck: I did buy into it at the very beginning. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I brought into it as well, I thought I remember going on Christmas vacation and talking to my nurse and saying, Hey, we're gonna see this number spiking soon and we're gonna look at these plane patterns where everybody's traveling. We're gonna see it here in the United States any moment now. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And we came back and sure enough, it's spread more and more. Alec Zeck: Yeah. And it's interesting because so what happened with me is, again, I was initially bought into this fear, and we cover this during the end of Covid too in a session called the Covid Origin story, where we go day by day from roughly November, 2019 through February, 2020, looking at the news coverage and then what was happening [00:38:00] in actuality like that you can, that's public knowledge behind the scenes with some of these NGOs and some of these governmental organizations. Alec Zeck: And. What we found revisiting some of those things is that this gain of function narrative was being covered in the mainstream. At the very beginning, at the very beginning of this whole thing, there were several mainstream news articles talking about the need to protect against gain of function experiments, the need to to put a more, more, put more regulations on gain of function experiments, and even some of them talking about the likelihood that a virus escaped from the lab in Wuhan, some of them were talking about that. Alec Zeck: But then what happened was that narrative that was inserted at the very beginning was then squashed. So all of us who were already like conspiracy minded, aware of the corruption, looked at that and they were like, oh my God, they're there. It is. They're covering up the true information. That's what I thought too. Alec Zeck: I was like, oh my God, they're trying to cover this up. Holy crap. They're, [00:39:00] this is gonna kill millions of people. But then as I continued to observe, Reality, like not buying into any of the, spectrum of information on the alternative side or on the mainstream side. As I just observed reality, I was like, this isn't adding up. Alec Zeck: Like th the're talking about a lab made virus that looks like people are dropping dead in the streets. But this has been two months now around March, three months into this whole thing, and I'm not seeing any of that happen. What the heck? And then I by chance come across a video of Dr. Tom Cowan describing, following a pot of dolphins who are getting sick off the coast of Florida using just an analogy, right? Alec Zeck: And he asked someone in the audience what what their first thought would be if they saw a pot of dolphins all getting sick and mass. And the person answered, who put some crap in the water? Of course, like when it [00:40:00] comes to any animals or things like that's our first thought. It's not, oh my God, what virus is spreading throughout their community is causing them to become sick. Alec Zeck: It's who, what was there food source cutoff? Was there a new toxin that was introduced because of industrial chemicals that are, that were polluting the environment as human beings? And don't get me started on the climate change thing. I think that's complete nonsense. But of course, human beings do pollute the environment and cause issues. Alec Zeck: Like glyphosate is a major problem in our food, but we need to be good stewards. That's the conversation for another time. But the earth is not collapsed cause Yeah. No dude. No, no chance. No chance. But yeah, I think people tend to jump to ex extremes on that, on both sides. And it's we do need to treat the earth well. Alec Zeck: We need to treat God's creation because it is providing us food and sustenance and homes. It's our home and cetera, et cetera. Exactly, man. Of course. Any, anyway, like I, I was. I listened to that analogy and I was like, oh my God, that makes so much sense. Like why do we think that [00:41:00] way for animals? Alec Zeck: But when it comes to. Our health, the first thing we think of is oh, I caught a inf, I caught a virus from Joe down the street cuz he was sick and his kids were sick, et cetera, et cetera. And then I started looking into virology and really looking into the details of everything that I just described. Alec Zeck: And I found that the foundation for virology is nonsense. And there's actually several other known things that are causing us to be sick, even causing us to be sick amongst groups of us exposure to similar toxins, similar eating habits similar EMF exposure inside our home. Similar emotional trauma that we're suppressing. Alec Zeck: A unique combination of all those things. And then there's also. Other possible explanations for the phenomenon of two people experiencing something that does not have to include any particle being passed between them. As an example, when women are around each other for an extended period of time, they're known to sync up on their menstrual cycles. Alec Zeck: Is that [00:42:00] caused by a contagious virus? I would argue no. There's no proof of that either. And no one even thinks that when it comes to that phenomenon. They're just like, oh, just something happens. Or like, when I'm around you, Sam, in person, and I yawn, you're likely to yawn and did I pass you the yawn virus? Alec Zeck: Like it's contagious. Other, maybe not. Yeah. The same way. Yeah. It might be, but that's the thing. There's pheromones that come into the picture. There's even mirror neurons that might come into the picture. There's. Bioresonance knowing that we have a measurable and observable biofield, the human biofield that surrounds our body. Alec Zeck: We have an electromagnetic field that surrounds our body, and we know that electromagnetic fields are impacted by other electromagnetic fields. That's a well known scientific fact, and we just, these other possible explanations for what is causing this phenomenon simply have not been explored thoroughly because we've been so myopically focused on this unproven idea that disease is spread via these obligate intracellular parasites that are passed from person to person when it's complete nonsense and totally unproven. Alec Zeck: So when it comes to this gain of [00:43:00] function thing, Like we, I see the alternative community latching onto this idea of a man made by weapon that was released. And even without getting into the no virus issue as an example, Nick Hudson from panda.org out of South Africa, has compiled a essentially several thorough analyses of health measures that were implemented across the world, and also mortality data across the world showing that when just looking at the mortality data, there is absolutely no proof of a novel threat. Alec Zeck: There's none, and that's without even getting into the no virus thing. And then when you get into the no virus thing, it's there. There's literally no foundational proof. That the virus exists or causes any sort of disease. And so when it comes to gain of function, I think that I don't a, again, I don't think that there's some grand scheme amongst all scientists to, to manipulate us when and hide the truth from us. Alec Zeck: I think maybe at the tippy top there is, but mostly this is just rooted [00:44:00] in conditioning. And during the end of Covid, my personal favorite session, I think number 16, on module two, the gain of function narrative. Doctors Mark and Sam Bailey out two medical doctors outta New Zealand go into the granular details of known gain of function experiments, showing that it's all based and unproven assumptions and gain of function is just another fear-based narrative that the alternative community is now latched onto to that will allow this nonsense to perpetuate again into the future. Dr Sam Sigoloff: One thing I wanna kind of comment on what you said is, you don't think it's some big conspiracy may, maybe at the tippy top there's some conspirator ideas. I agree with you, but slight disagree also, cuz I, I do think there is a con, a conspiracy, but I think it's even bigger than that. There's not these guys in some star chamber going, all right, what are we gonna do this today? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Brain take over the war. We're, they're not doing that. It's that unseen realm. It's these creatures that rebelled against God. And I know for some people, and I, and [00:45:00] you may even disagree with me, but the, it sounds absolutely fantastical and crazy and all that, but they're real possession is real. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it, it's a whispering in the ear. I don't disagree at all actually. Okay, good. And when you hear that whispering in the ear and you're like, oh, this is good for those group of people and it's good for me. But in reality, when you don't take the time to think about the all the consequences, you get disaster and destruction. Alec Zeck: Yeah, I completely agree with you. And you could frame that in different ways or a unique combination of always, and that there are literal, energetic, demonic entities that we can't see, that aren't physically like a apparent to us, but that absolutely seed ideas to us. You could also say that it's our own condition beliefs, a unique combination of the two. Alec Zeck: There, there are several things at play because ultimately just speaking to physical, Known reality without even going into that. And I do actually 100% agree with you on that, but I tend not to focus on that because [00:46:00] people will be like, oh, this guy, so he is saying viruses don't exist, but now he's saying this thing that he can't prove exists. Alec Zeck: And this is where I emphasize the difference between belief. I believe in those things and my belief surrounding those things. I do not impose or infringe or push that belief upon other people. And then ultimately, with virology and viruses, Right now that is no more than a belief system because there's no physical material proof of them, and the difference is people who are taking that belief and then wielding it and weaponizing it upon the entire human population. Alec Zeck: That's the difference between a belief and knowing and application. So just to emphasize that Yeah. Quickly. But like these, yeah, go ahead Dr Sam Sigoloff: to, to further that thought a little bit is religion is great and religion is your belief. Whatever it is, it answers a different question than science does, and we should, the listener, the viewer should never have to believe science. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Never. Because then it's a faith, it's not science. Science is proving, and that's the whole point, right? Alec Zeck: Yeah. It's proving no world this whole thing is literally [00:47:00] a religion. This thing is a religion. Now virology is a religion. Allopathic medicine, for the most part, aside from emergency and acute care in certain specialties, has become a religion. Alec Zeck: It absolutely has. And that's the issue right now because it is going off of blind faith in these experts who can know where this non-existent, non-pro to exist, non-pro to be pathogenic threat is and only they can know. And anyone who questions them is immediately branded a heretic and they're cast aside. Alec Zeck: It's literally no different than a very dogmatic religion. It's the same thing. It's the exact same thing, and potentially worse because irrespective of actual religious or spiritual beliefs, they're pushing this upon the entire human population. So it's definitely worse. But with that these guys these dudes at the top, whoever the hell they are, they understand human psychology very well. Alec Zeck: Very well. So ultimately, like when it comes to scientists, doctors, [00:48:00] the military is actually a great example of this, and I know you can't really touch on this as much as I openly can, but I will say Yeah, please do. Please do. Yeah. So the three experiments that we can look at that sort of give us allow us to peer into the behavior of human beings are the Milgram experiments, the ash experiments, and the Stanford Prison experiments. Alec Zeck: So the Milgram experiments, I urge people to look this up, set out to determine how often human beings would obey authority in the face of causing another human being harm. And what they found through this experiment with which dealt with the person that was actually the subject of the experiment delivering. Alec Zeck: What certain levels of shock to someone who was answering questions that was an actor actually behind a wall. And as he kept delivering shocks based on this person answering these questions, that person started to yell and scream oh my God. Stop. You're gonna kill me. You're gonna kill me. And [00:49:00] this subject of the experiment would look up to the authority figure and say, is it okay if I continue their yelling, that they're gonna, they're gonna die? Alec Zeck: And the authority figure would say, yep, they signed up for it. And that person in the face of causing actual harm would conform to authority. I think it was over half of the time and it was done on several people, so over half of the people would conform to what the authority told them to Dr Sam Sigoloff: do. I believe it was close to 80% conformed. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Go ahead. And a very small percentage actually stopped and said, no, I'm not doing this. Alec Zeck: Yeah, exactly. And so that informs us of the human psyche there. And then the ash experiments set out to determine how often human beings will conform to group think. And I forget the exact nature of the experiment, but essentially went something like this. Alec Zeck: Everyone else that seemed to be participating in the experiment were actors that were told to give a wrong answer, to verbally give a wrong answer. And someone would essentially [00:50:00] hold up something like flashcards. And let's say there was very clearly an observed reality, four dots on the flashcards, and they would hold up the flashcard and these other people would answer three. Alec Zeck: They would yell out three. And this person who is actually the subject of the experiment. Again, trying to determine how often people would conform to group think over half of them, I think it was like 65% of them would say three, along with the other people in the face of a clear. Clear showing of four dots, right? Alec Zeck: So again, in the face of reality, showing them the exact opposite human beings over half the time will conform to what the group is saying or doing just because they want to go along with the crowd. So those two things. And then the Stanford Prison experiments had to be stopped the first time they were conducted because of how brutal people beha became. Alec Zeck: So it was done at Stanford University, I think it was done at a dormitory and two thirds of the people, these were just college students, as volunteers were assigned to [00:51:00] be prisoners. One third was assigned to be the prison guards, and they had to stop the experiment because the ones that were taking on the role of prison guards literally began brutalizing and physically abusing and verbally abusing those that were prisoners because they had a position of authority. Alec Zeck: So when it comes to this whole charade surrounding C O V I D, especially with those operating as. Let's say agents of any health authority or agents of any literal, like governmental authority, it takes a very strong mind, Dr. Sam Soff and other people. It takes a very strong mind for someone to stand up against and go against what the rest of the group is doing in the face of authority telling them to do certain things. Alec Zeck: And that's what we have with what's happened with this whole charade the past three and a half years. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It's been an apocalypse. And I mean that in the true sense of the word means, uncovering apocalypse means to uncover. It doesn't mean the end of the world. And it has been an [00:52:00] uncovering a de masking, if you will, cuz I'm sure you. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You're just a few years younger than me, but this is the thought that went through me. And most people that I knew in high school, we learned about the Holocaust. How could they do this? How could they do that? And then go home to their family every night and hug their kids and then be putting people in gas chambers and ovens during the day. Dr Sam Sigoloff: This is how we did it. And they actually would disappear if they went against it here. We just had minor social pressure on Facebook. Alec Zeck: Yeah. Isn't it unbelievable. And that's really shows us how cowardly, how disconnected spiritually, how just disconnected from reality human beings have become. Alec Zeck: There's actually another session during the end of Covid called The Digital Phenomenon of Covid. And it Discusses how the only way they were able to really carry this out is because we as human beings, ironically, I'm talking to you on using the platform that I would be describing here, but it can be like, it's just a tool [00:53:00] that can be used for good or for bad. Alec Zeck: Obviously we're spreading ideas that is helping to dissolve illusions. But the point is this could have never happened prior to the digital era to the magnitude that it occurred. And I think that they attempted to do something like this with hiv aids, but we were still analog people at that point. Alec Zeck: Like now we literally have our brains in our pockets. Let's think of how many times now you don't even have to think about something cuz you just know subconsciously that, oh, my phone has that information. Now I don't have to memorize these things. I don't have to write it down a piece of paper. Alec Zeck: It's on my phone. It's like a secondary brain. And that brain has us glued to it at all times for those of us who are unaware and most of the population is unaware. So they start seeing things projected on these black rectangles and then creating an overlay of it in observe reality, especially because everyone else around them is doing the same thing. Alec Zeck: Thus perpetuating that false, completely false illusory reality into [00:54:00] real reality, thus making it appear more real. That's what's happening. Dr Sam Sigoloff: This is the only time in human history where people have been isolated, but not alone because you're isolated by yourself in your own home, but you have this community. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That, that has absorbed you into it. The borg, if you will, or the hive mind. And it's all about this, the science and, virus and all this, and they're all going the same direction. Previously, if you were alone in your home, you'd be alone in your home and you would have no community. So you'd be pressured to leave your home, to visit your neighbors, to actually get real community. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But here you're getting that kinda artificial desire filled artificially with some bit of community. And once you enter a community like that, you're not, you're gonna rat your neighbor out. You're gonna rat your kids or your parents out before you leave that community cuz it's that strong. Alec Zeck: Totally agree. Yeah. And it's just I think it in many ways, for those who are unaware, the digital realm has just amplified the worst [00:55:00] of all human behaviors. Like people behave online and speak to other people online in ways that they would never. Do in person Likem reason why, but you get it. Alec Zeck: I get it all the time. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Because in person, there's a reason why Absolutely. If someone said that to someone else, they'd be missing their teeth as they walked away. That doesn't Alec Zeck: Yeah, that's the whole point. No, it never does. But it's just amplifies the worst of human behavior. And it's just and this is a perfect example. Alec Zeck: The whole charade of the last three and a half years, it's amplified. Like people were literally taking what the authority figures were saying based that was being projected to them via these black rectangles and projecting that onto their own reality in the face of their own lived and observable experiences, showing them the exact opposite. Alec Zeck: That's how disconnected we are. And that is scary as hell. Dr Sam Sigoloff: There's so much power in that little black mirror that everyone stares at and is connected to. [00:56:00] And right now it's only in your hand. In the not so distant future, they'll, it'll be different. They're, I dunno if it'll be just like this, but there may be some injectable that goes into your brain that projects inside of your eye. Dr Sam Sigoloff: There's patents that explain this. So it's really not that farfetched, what I'm saying? Alec Zeck: Yeah, no, not at all. Not farfetched even a little bit. And I think that's the general direction they're attempting to go with some of the tech technology that is inside these injectable products. Alec Zeck: And we have three different sessions during the end of Covid. I know one person who's been a guest, actually no two of them have been a guest on your podcast, Dr. Anna Mahachi, and then also Dr. Lee Merritt. They both have their own respective session called the mRNA shots part part one and then part three. Alec Zeck: And then part two of the mRNA shots is with Dr. Anna Maria Oliva outta Spain. And they're all three dif differing perspectives in some ways. But the general sentiments is that it's very clear that [00:57:00] this technology and this agenda is for the purpose of transhumanism. It absolutely is. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And one thing you just kinda touched upon that I wanna help alleviate fears cuz so often in this field where we're looking into things that we don't really fully know, it seems like there's a lot of conflicting information and really I think what we all see is something is wrong and this is the angle that we find at it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And the truth is probably more like in the middle rather than being hardcore. One idea or the other idea, it's usually somewhere in the middle. Alec Zeck: Yeah, it ju and it just depends on any given situation. So like obviously some things are absolutely black and white, as an example, and maybe I'm coming from a biased perspective and I urge anyone to tune into the end of Covid to look into this when it comes to saying, Something X exists and causes Y. Alec Zeck:

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It absolutely has. And that's the issue right now because it is going off of blind faith in these experts who can know where this non-existent, non-pro to exist, non-pro to be pathogenic threat is and only they can know, and anyone who questions them is immediately branded a heretic and they're cast aside. Alec Zeck: It's literally no different than a very dogmatic religion. It's the same thing. It's the exact same thing and potentially worse because irrespective of actual religious or spiritual beliefs, they're pushing this upon the entire human population. So it's definitely worse. Welcome to after Nurse Kelly: Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, [00:01:00] where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr Sam Sigoloff: All right. Thank you for joining me again. Today I have a very special guest that I'll introduce in just a moment, but first I wanna give a special shout out and thanks to all my Patreon supporters if shell pays at the $50 level. Dr Sam Sigoloff: We have an anonymous family donor at $20 and 20 cents a month. The pandemic reprimand O at $17 and 76 cents a month with Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna, who is a previous guest here, Frank and Brian. We have the self-made $10 level with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned at $5 with Linda Emmy, Joe Patin, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth Dawn, Jennifer, Kenton. Dr Sam Sigoloff: We have a self made a dollar 50 with Frank. [00:02:00] And then we have the courageous, contagious $1 level with Amanda J. Best, nasty, Darrell. Susan BB King, also a previous guest here. 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That's what we're gonna talk about, but I want to probably dive into a little more of the, one of the big subjects that you're covering at this event that you have. It's called The End of [00:03:00] Covid. So what is the end of Covid? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, so of course we know the World Health Organization has announced that the emergency is over and the White House has said the same and. Everyone is taking on a general sense, whether they're alternative leading or not, that all this whole c o d era of their plan, whoever they are is over. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But the reality is it never really began in the first place. And I'll say that in some more alternative leaning, people will say, yeah, I agree it was a big hoax. But then they'll also say, but they're making bio weapons in a lab and we need to be cautious of the future stuff that they're doing with EcoHealth Alliance and all these level bsl, level four labs all over the world. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And the reality is, when I say that it never began, it actually never began in the sense that there was never any proof of any physical material threat that necessitated all [00:04:00] of these health measures in the first place. And that may come across as a shocking statement to some people, but I'm. Of course, happy to get into the details. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And that's what we do with the end of Covid is it's covering all of the granular details of what happened the last three and a half years and beyond, so that we can ensure this never happens again. And I promise that we absolutely, we, the men and women of this world can ensure this never happens again. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But it requires that we are properly informed on what health actually looks like and where freedom comes from in our relationship to the various governments around the world. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. So that's interesting and you're touching on a subject that we're gonna dive into here, but when you start looking at truth and you start figuring out, okay, I've been lied about this, I've been lied about that, I've been lied about this. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And you start tugging at that string of truth, it's like a tapestry. It goes here, it goes there, and pretty soon everything unravels and you're like, wow, I didn't expect it to go to this topic or that topic or this topic. And even topics that [00:05:00] we've grown up knowing about, or at least thinking we knew about So what you're talking about is viruses. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Viruses are so interesting to me. Ever since I heard about 'em, like in eighth grade, I was like, it's not alive. How can something not alive hurt me? But it's not really dead because it takes over your cell or is it anything at all? Alec Zeck: Yeah, and this is the question That is the big question and a very important question as it pertains to everything. Alec Zeck: It is the basis for everything that occurred over the last three and a half years, and it underpins much of allopathic medicine and especially so with the vaccine program, which I'm assuming much of your audience is already aware that there are safety and efficacy. Glaring safety and efficacy problems with vaccines, but the reality is much, much deeper than that. Alec Zeck: So I, I like to start this conversation with some [00:06:00] analogies for contextual purposes. And they may seem elementary, but they are absolutely important in how they, we can communicate this idea that viruses may not even exist and have never been proven to cause any sort of disease whatsoever. And so the first one is, From the time that I'm a child, I am told that Santa Claus exists and a number of things in my environment. Alec Zeck: Reify, the existence of Santa Claus, the pictures, the movies, the cartoons, the songs, the decorations, all of the other people around me who are excited about Santa Claus, the Santa Claus sleigh tracking app that I follow on my phone the night before Christmas or Fox News or CNN following Santa Claus trajectory across the sky. Alec Zeck: The piece of beard I find in the fireplace, the cook, half eaten cookies and milk on Christmas morning. The presents under the tree, the reindeer tracks in the yard. Some families [00:07:00] do that. Ultimately, all of these things reaffirm that Santa Claus actually exists and. Especially so when I feel very excited, I have a measurable and observable biological response to the idea of Santa Claus, or I'm very afraid because I haven't been behaving well. Alec Zeck: I've been lying to my parents and they found out and they said, Santa Claus is gonna bring you coal. And then I feel very afraid about the idea of Santa Claus, and it's a measurable and observable biological response. All of these things must mean that Santa Claus actually exists, right? It. But of course, despite the model fitting the idea of Santa Claus and fitting it very well, especially from the vantage point of a child, there are other explanations for those phenomena surrounding the idea of Santa Claus. Alec Zeck: And of course, as a child, at some point we have to break through the cognitive dissonance surrounding that. And luckily the experts on Santa Claus, if you will, are parents. And the [00:08:00] rest of the parents around the world can eloquently explain exactly what was going on with each of those things as we're beginning to unravel that cognitive dissonance. Alec Zeck: So that's the first one. So keep that in the back of your mind. And the second one is this comes from Dr. Cowen's book, the Contagion Myth. And this is my own sort of variation of this thought experiment. If I were to tell you that a ping pong ball could break down a brick wall, Obviously you'd want to see proof of that, right? Alec Zeck: So if I took a bunch of corrosive acid and poured it all over the brick wall, then took a giant mallet and smashed the brick wall several times, and then I taped the ping pong ball to a giant 400 pound boulder and whirl it at the brick wall and the brick wall falls down. Voila. I've proven that the ping pong ball caused the destruction of that brick wall obviously. Alec Zeck: Of course. Yeah, obviously, of course any person thinking logically would say the ping pong ball was completely irrelevant in that whole exercise. [00:09:00] There's no proof whatsoever that the ping pong ball caused the destruction of that brick wall How do both of these thought experiments relate to virology and viruses? Alec Zeck: So if I were to tell you that SARS Cov two has never been isolated or proven to exist or proven to cause any sort of disease whatsoever, which I'm sure some of the people in the health freedom community and some of your audience are loosely familiar with you would likely go onto PubMed. Or maybe if you're familiar with it, you would just say, oh, that's irrelevant, and I'm gonna explain why it's not irrelevant. Alec Zeck: It is absolutely very relevant. You would go onto PubMed though if you've never heard this before. Or you'd go onto Google Scholar or you'd contact a doctor or scientist friend of yours and you'd find one or thousands of studies that claim in the title and in the abstract to have isolated, characterized, and sequenced. Alec Zeck: Come up with a genome for sars COV two. The problem with that is the commonly accepted [00:10:00] definition of isolate that virtually all of the entire world uses, and I've memorized all this stuff. So the Webster's definite Webster's dictionary definition of isolate is to separate from other substances so as to obtain an appear or free state. Alec Zeck: That is what we know to isolation, to mean all across the world, with the exception of virology. Because what we're doing, what we're thinking of isolation to mean is to take one thing and have it completely by itself, separate of all other things. If you were to tell me, Hey, I need you to grab the water bottle out of that messy room from your mom's house, the blue water bottle I have, and she's a hoarder, so it's amongst a bunch of other stuff and you come back with a sock and 30 other things. Alec Zeck: I said no. I want the water bottle. And you're like, okay, fine. I got the water bottle. I've isolated the water bottle. I have it by itself. I can show you that the water bottle exists. I can show you what it's made of. So [00:11:00] if you read the methods section of any of those papers that in the title say they have isolated. Alec Zeck: Sars Cov two or insert literally any other virus, you'll find that the following procedure is done. And keep in the back of your mind the brick wall analogy that I used earlier. So they take snot or other fluids from a person. Yeah. Go ahead. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Before you get too far into this, cuz I wanna cut the knees outta the naysayers. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But Alec, you're not a doctor, Alec, you don't you're a field artillery officer background. Okay, let me put all those to rest because what's important is when someone devotes a meaningful part of their life to studying a particular subject, because they have a passion for it, they become an expert even if they don't have the PhD. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And we talked about this a little before we started recording, even if they don't have the PhD letters behind their name, Alec knows more than most virologists because he's put more time [00:12:00] into it. He's looked into those parts of virology that most people don't look into. He just like, when I was asking why, in reference to the shot and what is this chemical? Dr Sam Sigoloff: What does that compound, what is, what do these rules and regulations mean? What does this little asterisk here next to the M in mRNA, what does that mean? It means modified. Okay no one else looked at that. Why did no one else look at that? Because we just assume what we're given is the truth, and that's what you can never do. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You have to investigate everything, question boldly, the very existence of God for if there is a God, he would prefer honest questioning to blind faith. And that's what Alec has done. Alec Zeck: Yeah. You know this I'm gonna build off what you said and you said that so well, and other people will ask. Alec Zeck: With what I'm about to share here. Do you think all virologists are in on it and because we're speaking here to a crowd that is largely familiar with the problems with vaccines, I'll an, I'll ask you this question. I want you to sit and think on this. Are all [00:13:00] doctors in on this grand scheme when it comes to this understanding that vaccines aren't safe and effective? Alec Zeck: Absolutely not. They've simply been conditioned to believe what they believe, and that's what they're basing their decisions off of in their respective practices and in the way they approach medicine. It's the same thing with virology and virologists. Virologists have been taught this procedure that I'm about to describe, to isolate viruses as if it is a well established, well-known, scientifically rigorous fact on how to isolate viruses and determine pathogenicity. Alec Zeck: That was ultimately established in 19 8, 19 54, with John Franklin Enders having quote discovered the measles virus, which I, of course can get into. But so with this claim that are in these papers that the virus has been isolated. And shown to exist and shown to be pathogenic. Alec Zeck: They've sequenced the genome, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This is the procedure that is done if you read the [00:14:00] methods section, which is the most important section of any scientific paper. Quote, scientific paper, cuz some of them aren't even scientific. They don't adhere to the scientific method, which I'll get to in a minute. Alec Zeck: But any scientific paper, the method section is the most important paper that shows the procedure for how they conducted the experiment. And with virology, this is what they do. They take fluids from a sick person that they, that is claimed to be infected with a virus, right? They take those fluids, assuming that there is a virus present, but never validating the physical existence of a virus, right? Alec Zeck: They then take those fluids and add them to what's known as viral transport, medium or vtm. Inside viral transport, medium at a minimum are amphotericin B and Gentamycin. Amphotericin B is there to keep the viral the. Mixture the fluids from a sick person and the the materials they added to [00:15:00] afterwards, free of fungi. Alec Zeck: And then Gentamycin is there to keep the materials sterile and free of bacteria. But nonetheless, those are two things that are inside viral transport, medium and all. Discuss why that is highly relevant to this procedure here in a second. So they take snot from a sick person, assumed to contain a virus, but they never validate that it's there added to viral transport medium that has these substances inside of it. Alec Zeck: They then take that mixture and add it to a monkey kidney cell, known as a Vero E six, or a Vero CCL 81 cell line coming from an adult green monkey kidney. So these kidney cells that they add this mixture to, they also add more amphotericin B and more gentomycin. Sometimes they use genin rather than gentamicin. Alec Zeck: And remember, those are there to allegedly keep the culture sterile and free of bacteria and fungi. They then add Del Beos, modified eagle medium or [00:16:00] Del Beos, minimal essential medium. They then also add fetal bovine serum, which are essentially, for lack of a better term, food sources for the cell. All right. Alec Zeck: And then they also add trypsin sometimes, which is essentially a, something that breaks down protein. So they add all of these substances to a monkey, kidney cell, alongside fluid from a sick person that they assume contains the virus, but never validate that a virus is there in the first place. And the reason why this is, A problem. There's a number of reasons, but one of the main reasons is that amphotericin B and Gentamycin are known to be cytotoxic specifically to kidney cells. If you look up with a quick Google search keywords, amphotericin, B kidneys or Gentamycin toxic kidneys, you'll find a number of results describing how, as an example, amphotericin B is known to cause renal failure. Alec Zeck: What's renal failure? [00:17:00] That's kidney failure. And they're adding amphotericin B to a monkey, kidney cell, assuming that it has no effect on the cell except for to keep the culture free of fungi. So in addition to that, these are all confounding variables. Think back to the example of the brick wall analogy, right? Alec Zeck: The ping pong ball in this case is akin to the virus, the difference with the ping pong P brick wall analogy. Is that the ping pong ball is what is present. You know it's actually there with this, they assume that the virus is present. Add these other confounding variables that are akin to pouring corrosive acid on a brick wall, akin to smashing the brick wall several times that is dropping the nutrient intake of the culture. Alec Zeck: They drop them amount of fetal bovine serum and DMM that is used, and then they add these cytotoxic antibiotics and antimycotic to the mixture again, without ever revalidating that a virus is present in this experiment in the first place. [00:18:00] Then the cell experiences after basically being starved and poisoned what is called the cytopathic effect, and that's where the cell breaks down into a bunch of fragments. Alec Zeck: They then take those fragments and prepare them for electron microscopy and they produce these electron micrograph images, these little black and white images that we've seen shared all over the world, and they point to the particles on those images and say, voila. That is proof of SARS Cov two. This must have been what was inside the fluids of a sick person. Alec Zeck: This must be what was transmitted from another sick person to that sick person. This must be what was, what caused the cell to experience the cytopathic effect, breaking down to a bunch of fragments, nevermind that we added all of these other things and drop the nutrient intake of the cell. This is the fundamental proof that virology has used for the last several decades to prove the existence and pathogenicity of viruses, and it applies to every single virus. Alec Zeck: You will never find an image [00:19:00] coming directly from the fluids of a sick person of viruses, and you and a virus has never been taken directly from the fluids of a sick person to then be isolated, purified, characterized in sequence. They always follow this procedure of assuming that it's in the fluids and then adding it to a bunch of other substances where, and it breaks down, and then they point to the particles and say, those are viruses. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It seems like there's a lot of assumption going on. First of all, assuming that the illness is caused by a virus. Because as and probably many of our listeners know, there are other things in our environment that are not virus. And you could even have pieces of DNA or RNA released from one human that go to another human that notify 'em, Hey, look, watch out for this chemical or this compound. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Here's how you deal with it. And could we be calling that a virus when it's not? It's just it. It's a piece. It's a strand that's manmade. Not in a lab, but just by you and me when we get exposed to certain chemicals so that we can warn other humans around us. Watch out for this. This is how you deal with it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: There's [00:20:00] other. EMF around us. That's a lot more than it used to be. And it's interesting how when you look back in time as viral illnesses, like if you look back in, in antiquity, almost all of the great pandemics were caused by bacteria until a certain timeframe when we started having radio waves and telegraph waves and all these different antenna telegraph wires that would emit EMF and all these different types of radiation exposure that never happened before. Alec Zeck: Yeah. You're spot on with that and there are other plausible explanations for what's going on because, so this again, just to reemphasize is the foundational evidence for all of modern virology. And ultimately I. It's fundamentally pseudo-scientific. By definition, pseudoscience is anything claiming to be scientific that does not strictly adhere to the scientific method. Alec Zeck: Virology is pseudoscience because they don't adhere to the scientific method. [00:21:00] So the scientific method that we all learned in grade school goes like this, you have an observed natural phenomenon, right? So in the case of this, you could say, okay, I observe multiple people in the same space getting sick with similar or the same symptoms. Alec Zeck: Okay? So then you develop a hypothesis for that observed natural phenomenon, what you think is the cause of it, right? So in this case, you could say, I think there's submicroscopic particles being passed from person to person. Okay? So then in order to proceed with the experiment and before you proceed with the experiment following the steps of the scientific method, which are very clear, you need to have the thing you think is the cause of the observed phenomenon. Alec Zeck: By itself to then vary and manipulate to see if it produces the effect, right? You need to have the IV to see if it produces the dv. That is the whole point of the experiment. So with virology, they don't have their alleged cause the virus by [00:22:00] itself to then vary, manipulate, and in fact, they've never shown that it exists in the fluids of a sick person, according to their own hypothesis. Alec Zeck: So they are still at the hypothesis phase of this whole ideology. So when it comes to virology, It's not even a viral theory. It's still viral hypothesis, because a scientific theory is something that has been tested and corroborated in according, in accordance with the scientific method. So virology has not done this. Alec Zeck: They have no properly identified independent variable, and further they don't even have proper controls either. They, in some of these papers, they will refer to what's called a mock infected culture. And they say the mock infected culture, no cytopathic effect was observed. So the culture is the monkey kidney cell thing. Alec Zeck: The problem with this is when we, when several of us, namely Dr. Mark Bailey, and then a good friend of mine, Jacob Diaz, have contacted the authors of these papers or found. Papers that have supplementary methods section describing [00:23:00] exactly what occurred in the mock infected culture. Remember the purpose of a control experiment is to treat it exactly the same except for the independent variables not present, right? Alec Zeck: To see if the independent variable is truly the cause of that phenomenon. And again, with virology, they don't even have an independent variable. Let's, but let's say in the case of this, it would be, we could make concessions and say, okay, even though you don't have a proper independent variable, and they have all these excuses for why they can't take it directly from the fluids of a sick person, we could still play with it and conduct some semblance of what would be a proper control experiment. Alec Zeck: But what they do is they treat the mock infected culture with less amphotericin B and less Gentamycin, sometimes using a completely different cell line. So they're not treating the mock infected culture the same. And further, if we're assuming So, there's no control, there's no control. There's no control. Alec Zeck: There's no control. Exactly. And that's the point. And again, assuming that they, [00:24:00] that we will play with the excuse for the excuses for why, which I'm happy to get into. They can't take the virus directly from the fluids of a sick person. Let's play with that. That's fine. But wouldn't it then make sense to treat the mock infected culture with fluids from a healthy person to see if the same effect occurs? Alec Zeck: They don't even do that. They, it would just make sense. They literally don't add any requirements. Yeah, exactly. That's the point. It would be a requirement. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And so ultimately, let me describe this piece first cuz this is highly relevant because as I was sorting through my cognitive ance surrounding this, looking into these papers, reading the methods section for myself, I was like, what the heck? Alec Zeck: Okay, but I want to hear directly from the horse's mouth, these experts why a virus cannot be. Taken from the fluids of a sick person why a virus cannot be isolated, purified, characterized, and sequenced directly from the fluid. Sorry, do you wanna go ahead with a question? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. One thing you mentioned is you kinda just said my cognitive dissidents and just very [00:25:00] flippantly mentioned that, but when you really have cognitive, which I know you went through, it was probably similar to what I went through when I learned about food and different ways of eating and how you can treat disease and cure disease and put other diseases into remission with just what you eat. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I was in a cloud for a month, walking confused, didn't know where I was. It was so substantial. And I would imagine that you were going through again, you just, again, I, you just flippantly mention it, but I've been through that dissociative dichotomy where you're just like, I'm told this, I've learned this my whole life, and now I've, this is what I'm learning. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it's, it just, it splits your head in half and it's painful. It's physically painful. Alec Zeck: It is. And this is highly relevant with my own cognitive dissonance surrounding this whole charade, which I'm happy to get to later. I think if we talk about gain of function and things like this it's highly relevant for me. Alec Zeck: So we'll get to, we'll get to that in a second. But the, when you [00:26:00] ask virologists and molecular biologists and other experts that deal with infectious diseases and field surrounding infectious diseases, and you ask them why a virus cannot be isolated, purified, characterized in sequence directly from the fluids of a sick person, they give a number of excuses that if you're attuned to logical fallacies are entirely logically fallacious and completely contradictory towards their own ideas of how this whole thing works, how these diseases are supposedly spread. Alec Zeck: So one of the answers that we get is they'll say that a virus is too weak to isolate or purify directly from the fluids. And how is it con, so can they, and we have the technology to do that. Yeah. This is the question, right? That's the question that I ask. I say, that's interesting. You say that it's too weak to isolate or purify directly from the fluids of a sick person. Alec Zeck: Okay. Then how come you also say that a virus travels through free freely through the air, lands on a surface, survives on a surface for upwards of two to three days, makes it to a [00:27:00] body, makes it all the way to a cell, breaks into the cell, hijacks the cells. Machinery begins a replication process where it then overwhelms that person is excreted out of them, where it repeats the same process over. Alec Zeck: So it's too weak to isolate or purify directly from the fluids of a sick person where you claim that it is, but then it is strong enough to do all of these other things and is strong enough to literally infect someone and kill them. That makes no sense. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That's because Santa Claus is only around on December 25th. Alec Zeck: Yeah, this is exactly right. This is, and this is why the Santa Claus analogy is so relevant too, because like ultimately when you're fibbing to your kids about Santa Claus, you're coming up with all these excuses. And ultimately what that is in actuality is called a reification fallacy. Alec Zeck: You're providing excuses for why the kids can't find Santa Claus, despite Santa Claus allegedly existing. And a reification fallacy is where you assign characteristics to something that is still fundamentally abstract that has not been proven to exist in reality. [00:28:00] So when it comes to anything surrounding viruses describing, oh, how viruses are only gonna be infectious in this way, or viruses can't be isolated because X, Y, and Z, or a virus mutates over time, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Alec Zeck: That's ultimately a reification fallacy cuz you're assigning characteristics to something that is still fundamentally abstract. And then the other excuse that they commonly give is that there's not enough virus present inside the fluids of a sick person to isolate or purify directly from the fluids. Alec Zeck: And then a quick Google search will show you estimates of 200 million virus particles in one sneeze. So you're telling me that this highly pathogenic infectious agent that is allegedly killing people is there's not enough of it in one sneeze. That makes no sense. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But there's enough to make you sick. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Just not enough to isolate and actually use. Alec Zeck: Yeah. Yeah. Just not enough to find. Yeah. So then the cognitive dissonance when, and I urge [00:29:00] anyone listening to what I'm saying, first off, to, of course, check out the end of Covid, where we go into extensive details. In fact, the first two modules for the end of C O V I D cover virology, I think it's somewhere around like 16 hours of content just in the first two modules dissecting all these claims surrounding virology and getting into things like genomic sequencing of viruses, the spike protein, getting into things like gain of function, which I'm happy to touch on a little bit later. Alec Zeck: But I urge anyone to look into this for themselves. And then the other thing with this is people operate even amongst the health freedom crowds, as if it is a well established fact that disease is spread via the fluids of a sick person. But this is actually based in an unproven assumption as well. Alec Zeck: And we can refer to a number of experiments that have been done over, up until roughly like 19 40, 19 50, when they stopped doing them for what they say was unethical. Because it was unethical, but it's ultimately because they were not able to [00:30:00] produce the results that they wanted to go with their preconceived notions around how disease was spread. Alec Zeck: And one of the common examples that I'm sure some people are familiar with are the rosenau experiments that occurred during the Spanish flu from 1918 through 1919. During the height of the Spanish flu, Milton Rosenau conducted several experiments on, in two different cor quarantine locations where he took a hundred volunteers from the Navy. Alec Zeck: Of course, he used the military as Guinea pigs because that's what. Is typically done. Sorry, I had to just cuz I knew you'd get it. Yeah. Nothing's changed. Took two volunteers or a hundred volunteers from the Navy and exposed them via various methods to fluids from Spanish flu patients like their nasal secretions, even took infected blood from Spanish flu patients and injected it directly into these healthy patients. Alec Zeck: Took several of the, sorry, of the healthy volunteers, took several of the healthy volunteers, brought them to a Spanish flu ward and had them interact with shake, [00:31:00] shake hands, with, had these Spanish flu patients who were in a Spanish flu ward, open mouth, cough into their faces, had them hug all these things. Alec Zeck: Disgusting. And then it turns out the results of the experiment were zero of the 100 volunteers became sick. And Milton Rosenau was quoted as saying something to the effect of, we went into the outbreak with the notion that we knew how this disease was spread. See, they already had that preconceived idea. Alec Zeck: As much of us do surrounding this whole thing that we know disease is spread via the fluids of a sick person. We know that by being around who's sick, the eye will also get sick. We already know this. It's a well established fact, but it's not because zero out of a hundred in that experiment became sick. Alec Zeck: And that's one of several experiments that during the end of Covid in session 11 called the Proof of Contagion, we go into a number of these experiments claiming to have, or attempting to prove that disease is passed via the fluids of a sick person. And all of them turned out to show the opposite. In fact, one of the examples, some of the [00:32:00] volunteers in a control experiment were injected with saline and more people. Alec Zeck: Were became sick after being infected with saline than those who were exposed to the fluids of a sick person. So that sort of reemphasizes how belief plays into this. And I'm happy to also talk about belief later on during this too, because that's a huge factor according to even the CDC's own data. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that's interesting that the placebo had worse outcomes because usually placebos are, those people do better. That's what we test as yeah. A fake drug to make them think they're feeling better. When we did the exact opposite, we gave 'em a fake injection, making them think they got the illness and then they got the illness. Alec Zeck: Yeah. And this is what's referred to not as the placebo effect, but the nocebo effect. And I highly encourage people to look up the placebo and nocebo effect. You can literally manifest worse outcomes just by your own belief. And I think it's relevant, so I'll just say it. According to the CDCs own data 95% of covid deaths had an average of four [00:33:00] comorbidities, which is not super surprising. Alec Zeck: So that means that only 5% of those that were labeled covid deaths had no additional co-factors for death. 95% of them had an average of four, so it was people who were already very unhealthy, overwhelmingly, who are passing away. And that also brings up the question of what is your definition of healthy at this point? Alec Zeck: Because even those 5% of people who allegedly had no comorbidities, I would've loved to see what their health level was. But in addition to that, 79% of hospitalizations were in overweight or obese people. And the second strongest risk factor for death, according to a study published in part by the C D C in July of 2021. Alec Zeck: Found that the second strongest risk factor for death was fear slash anxiety related disorders. So think about the implications of that. That's not even people who are just in a perpetual state of fear or anxiety wound up in the hospital, wound up being thrown on REM desi severe and a ventilator, et cetera, et cetera, that ended up passing [00:34:00] away. Alec Zeck: These are people who had an anxiety or fear related disorder, meaning I, or implying, I would imagine that they had already been diagnosed previously with a fear slash anxiety related disorder. So it doesn't even account for those who were just in a perpetual state of fear, but that did not have a diagnosis disorder, which really shows how much of a factor fear plays into this whole thing. Alec Zeck: Our belief surrounding something, going back to the Santa Claus example, irrespective of whether it exists or not, can actually manifest symptoms of illness. And a lot of people in the alternative health community will say I wasn't scared of this virus. I wasn't scared at all. I knew it was just the flu rebranded, but. Alec Zeck: Were you afraid of government tyranny? Were you afraid of the uncertainty? And ultimately, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I wasn't. I absolutely was at points. And fear is not discriminating based on whether you're scared of the virus or scared of something else. You were just in a perpetual state of fear. Alec Zeck: And that can lead to real symptoms of illness. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And when this whole thing kicked [00:35:00] off, I was fearful of the virus. Like I, I set up our little we had a little like a garage disconnected from the house and we lived in Alaska below zero temperatures. It's pretty chilly out there. But I set it up to where if I needed to, I could go out there cuz I didn't wanna get, kill my family cuz I was like, oh goodness, this covid thing is gonna kill us all. Dr Sam Sigoloff: 1918 flu all over again if I only did my homework beforehand and realized that's not what it was, either the 1918 flu. Alec Zeck: Yeah and this kind of just shows the level like, cuz I don't know where you were with all vaccines and studying the true nature of the pharmaceutical industry and stuff like that. Alec Zeck: But just prior to this whole charade kicking off, I had already researched the vaccine industry. And in fact my, like I had already had my child, my first son and he was completely unvaccinated because I was aware of the harmful nature and the corrupt nature of the pharmaceutical industry. But I did believe that viruses existed and caused disease. Alec Zeck: But I took the approach without really [00:36:00] exploring terrain that, oh, you won't get as sick, or they won't cause that big of an issue so long as they're not manmade ones. As long as you maintain good health and you eat good organic food and workout and don't hold on to toxic emotions, et cetera, et cetera. Alec Zeck: But when I was. The beginning of this whole thing, I bought into the idea that there was a gain of function, lab made virus. In fact, I was one of the people who was taking the natural version that you can buy at Whole Foods or Natural Grocers or Trader Joe's of like disinfectant wipes and like wiping down all my food before I brought it inside. Alec Zeck: And this was back in like January of 2020 because I was following some Reddit subs and I saw how they were describing that a virus likely escaped from a lab. And this was before the mainstream was really touching on any of this. This was around December, 2019, leading into January, 2020. I was like, oh my God. Alec Zeck: They finally succeeded [00:37:00] in creating one of these bio weapons or creating another one of them. And this is gonna be lethal. Cause I was seeing all these images and videos of Chinese people dropping dead in the streets, which I now have come to understand was total state run Chinese propaganda. But I bought into it. Alec Zeck: I did buy into it at the very beginning. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I brought into it as well, I thought I remember going on Christmas vacation and talking to my nurse and saying, Hey, we're gonna see this number spiking soon and we're gonna look at these plane patterns where everybody's traveling. We're gonna see it here in the United States any moment now. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And we came back and sure enough, it's spread more and more. Alec Zeck: Yeah. And it's interesting because so what happened with me is, again, I was initially bought into this fear, and we cover this during the end of Covid too in a session called the Covid Origin story, where we go day by day from roughly November, 2019 through February, 2020, looking at the news coverage and then what was happening [00:38:00] in actuality like that you can, that's public knowledge behind the scenes with some of these NGOs and some of these governmental organizations. Alec Zeck: And. What we found revisiting some of those things is that this gain of function narrative was being covered in the mainstream. At the very beginning, at the very beginning of this whole thing, there were several mainstream news articles talking about the need to protect against gain of function experiments, the need to to put a more, more, put more regulations on gain of function experiments, and even some of them talking about the likelihood that a virus escaped from the lab in Wuhan, some of them were talking about that. Alec Zeck: But then what happened was that narrative that was inserted at the very beginning was then squashed. So all of us who were already like conspiracy minded, aware of the corruption, looked at that and they were like, oh my God, they're there. It is. They're covering up the true information. That's what I thought too. Alec Zeck: I was like, oh my God, they're trying to cover this up. Holy crap. They're, [00:39:00] this is gonna kill millions of people. But then as I continued to observe, Reality, like not buying into any of the, spectrum of information on the alternative side or on the mainstream side. As I just observed reality, I was like, this isn't adding up. Alec Zeck: Like th the're talking about a lab made virus that looks like people are dropping dead in the streets. But this has been two months now around March, three months into this whole thing, and I'm not seeing any of that happen. What the heck? And then I by chance come across a video of Dr. Tom Cowan describing, following a pot of dolphins who are getting sick off the coast of Florida using just an analogy, right? Alec Zeck: And he asked someone in the audience what what their first thought would be if they saw a pot of dolphins all getting sick and mass. And the person answered, who put some crap in the water? Of course, like when it [00:40:00] comes to any animals or things like that's our first thought. It's not, oh my God, what virus is spreading throughout their community is causing them to become sick. Alec Zeck: It's who, what was there food source cutoff? Was there a new toxin that was introduced because of industrial chemicals that are, that were polluting the environment as human beings? And don't get me started on the climate change thing. I think that's complete nonsense. But of course, human beings do pollute the environment and cause issues. Alec Zeck: Like glyphosate is a major problem in our food, but we need to be good stewards. That's the conversation for another time. But the earth is not collapsed cause Yeah. No dude. No, no chance. No chance. But yeah, I think people tend to jump to ex extremes on that, on both sides. And it's we do need to treat the earth well. Alec Zeck: We need to treat God's creation because it is providing us food and sustenance and homes. It's our home and cetera, et cetera. Exactly, man. Of course. Any, anyway, like I, I was. I listened to that analogy and I was like, oh my God, that makes so much sense. Like why do we think that [00:41:00] way for animals? Alec Zeck: But when it comes to. Our health, the first thing we think of is oh, I caught a inf, I caught a virus from Joe down the street cuz he was sick and his kids were sick, et cetera, et cetera. And then I started looking into virology and really looking into the details of everything that I just described. Alec Zeck: And I found that the foundation for virology is nonsense. And there's actually several other known things that are causing us to be sick, even causing us to be sick amongst groups of us exposure to similar toxins, similar eating habits similar EMF exposure inside our home. Similar emotional trauma that we're suppressing. Alec Zeck: A unique combination of all those things. And then there's also. Other possible explanations for the phenomenon of two people experiencing something that does not have to include any particle being passed between them. As an example, when women are around each other for an extended period of time, they're known to sync up on their menstrual cycles. Alec Zeck: Is that [00:42:00] caused by a contagious virus? I would argue no. There's no proof of that either. And no one even thinks that when it comes to that phenomenon. They're just like, oh, just something happens. Or like, when I'm around you, Sam, in person, and I yawn, you're likely to yawn and did I pass you the yawn virus? Alec Zeck: Like it's contagious. Other, maybe not. Yeah. The same way. Yeah. It might be, but that's the thing. There's pheromones that come into the picture. There's even mirror neurons that might come into the picture. There's. Bioresonance knowing that we have a measurable and observable biofield, the human biofield that surrounds our body. Alec Zeck: We have an electromagnetic field that surrounds our body, and we know that electromagnetic fields are impacted by other electromagnetic fields. That's a well known scientific fact, and we just, these other possible explanations for what is causing this phenomenon simply have not been explored thoroughly because we've been so myopically focused on this unproven idea that disease is spread via these obligate intracellular parasites that are passed from person to person when it's complete nonsense and totally unproven. Alec Zeck: So when it comes to this gain of [00:43:00] function thing, Like we, I see the alternative community latching onto this idea of a man made by weapon that was released. And even without getting into the no virus issue as an example, Nick Hudson from panda.org out of South Africa, has compiled a essentially several thorough analyses of health measures that were implemented across the world, and also mortality data across the world showing that when just looking at the mortality data, there is absolutely no proof of a novel threat. Alec Zeck: There's none, and that's without even getting into the no virus thing. And then when you get into the no virus thing, it's there. There's literally no foundational proof. That the virus exists or causes any sort of disease. And so when it comes to gain of function, I think that I don't a, again, I don't think that there's some grand scheme amongst all scientists to, to manipulate us when and hide the truth from us. Alec Zeck: I think maybe at the tippy top there is, but mostly this is just rooted [00:44:00] in conditioning. And during the end of Covid, my personal favorite session, I think number 16, on module two, the gain of function narrative. Doctors Mark and Sam Bailey out two medical doctors outta New Zealand go into the granular details of known gain of function experiments, showing that it's all based and unproven assumptions and gain of function is just another fear-based narrative that the alternative community is now latched onto to that will allow this nonsense to perpetuate again into the future. Dr Sam Sigoloff: One thing I wanna kind of comment on what you said is, you don't think it's some big conspiracy may, maybe at the tippy top there's some conspirator ideas. I agree with you, but slight disagree also, cuz I, I do think there is a con, a conspiracy, but I think it's even bigger than that. There's not these guys in some star chamber going, all right, what are we gonna do this today? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Brain take over the war. We're, they're not doing that. It's that unseen realm. It's these creatures that rebelled against God. And I know for some people, and I, and [00:45:00] you may even disagree with me, but the, it sounds absolutely fantastical and crazy and all that, but they're real possession is real. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it, it's a whispering in the ear. I don't disagree at all actually. Okay, good. And when you hear that whispering in the ear and you're like, oh, this is good for those group of people and it's good for me. But in reality, when you don't take the time to think about the all the consequences, you get disaster and destruction. Alec Zeck: Yeah, I completely agree with you. And you could frame that in different ways or a unique combination of always, and that there are literal, energetic, demonic entities that we can't see, that aren't physically like a apparent to us, but that absolutely seed ideas to us. You could also say that it's our own condition beliefs, a unique combination of the two. Alec Zeck: There, there are several things at play because ultimately just speaking to physical, Known reality without even going into that. And I do actually 100% agree with you on that, but I tend not to focus on that because [00:46:00] people will be like, oh, this guy, so he is saying viruses don't exist, but now he's saying this thing that he can't prove exists. Alec Zeck: And this is where I emphasize the difference between belief. I believe in those things and my belief surrounding those things. I do not impose or infringe or push that belief upon other people. And then ultimately, with virology and viruses, Right now that is no more than a belief system because there's no physical material proof of them, and the difference is people who are taking that belief and then wielding it and weaponizing it upon the entire human population. Alec Zeck: That's the difference between a belief and knowing and application. So just to emphasize that Yeah. Quickly. But like these, yeah, go ahead Dr Sam Sigoloff: to, to further that thought a little bit is religion is great and religion is your belief. Whatever it is, it answers a different question than science does, and we should, the listener, the viewer should never have to believe science. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Never. Because then it's a faith, it's not science. Science is proving, and that's the whole point, right? Alec Zeck: Yeah. It's proving no world this whole thing is literally [00:47:00] a religion. This thing is a religion. Now virology is a religion. Allopathic medicine, for the most part, aside from emergency and acute care in certain specialties, has become a religion. Alec Zeck: It absolutely has. And that's the issue right now because it is going off of blind faith in these experts who can know where this non-existent, non-pro to exist, non-pro to be pathogenic threat is and only they can know. And anyone who questions them is immediately branded a heretic and they're cast aside. Alec Zeck: It's literally no different than a very dogmatic religion. It's the same thing. It's the exact same thing, and potentially worse because irrespective of actual religious or spiritual beliefs, they're pushing this upon the entire human population. So it's definitely worse. But with that these guys these dudes at the top, whoever the hell they are, they understand human psychology very well. Alec Zeck: Very well. So ultimately, like when it comes to scientists, doctors, [00:48:00] the military is actually a great example of this, and I know you can't really touch on this as much as I openly can, but I will say Yeah, please do. Please do. Yeah. So the three experiments that we can look at that sort of give us allow us to peer into the behavior of human beings are the Milgram experiments, the ash experiments, and the Stanford Prison experiments. Alec Zeck: So the Milgram experiments, I urge people to look this up, set out to determine how often human beings would obey authority in the face of causing another human being harm. And what they found through this experiment with which dealt with the person that was actually the subject of the experiment delivering. Alec Zeck: What certain levels of shock to someone who was answering questions that was an actor actually behind a wall. And as he kept delivering shocks based on this person answering these questions, that person started to yell and scream oh my God. Stop. You're gonna kill me. You're gonna kill me. And [00:49:00] this subject of the experiment would look up to the authority figure and say, is it okay if I continue their yelling, that they're gonna, they're gonna die? Alec Zeck: And the authority figure would say, yep, they signed up for it. And that person in the face of causing actual harm would conform to authority. I think it was over half of the time and it was done on several people, so over half of the people would conform to what the authority told them to Dr Sam Sigoloff: do. I believe it was close to 80% conformed. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Go ahead. And a very small percentage actually stopped and said, no, I'm not doing this. Alec Zeck: Yeah, exactly. And so that informs us of the human psyche there. And then the ash experiments set out to determine how often human beings will conform to group think. And I forget the exact nature of the experiment, but essentially went something like this. Alec Zeck: Everyone else that seemed to be participating in the experiment were actors that were told to give a wrong answer, to verbally give a wrong answer. And someone would essentially [00:50:00] hold up something like flashcards. And let's say there was very clearly an observed reality, four dots on the flashcards, and they would hold up the flashcard and these other people would answer three. Alec Zeck: They would yell out three. And this person who is actually the subject of the experiment. Again, trying to determine how often people would conform to group think over half of them, I think it was like 65% of them would say three, along with the other people in the face of a clear. Clear showing of four dots, right? Alec Zeck: So again, in the face of reality, showing them the exact opposite human beings over half the time will conform to what the group is saying or doing just because they want to go along with the crowd. So those two things. And then the Stanford Prison experiments had to be stopped the first time they were conducted because of how brutal people beha became. Alec Zeck: So it was done at Stanford University, I think it was done at a dormitory and two thirds of the people, these were just college students, as volunteers were assigned to [00:51:00] be prisoners. One third was assigned to be the prison guards, and they had to stop the experiment because the ones that were taking on the role of prison guards literally began brutalizing and physically abusing and verbally abusing those that were prisoners because they had a position of authority. Alec Zeck: So when it comes to this whole charade surrounding C O V I D, especially with those operating as. Let's say agents of any health authority or agents of any literal, like governmental authority, it takes a very strong mind, Dr. Sam Soff and other people. It takes a very strong mind for someone to stand up against and go against what the rest of the group is doing in the face of authority telling them to do certain things. Alec Zeck: And that's what we have with what's happened with this whole charade the past three and a half years. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It's been an apocalypse. And I mean that in the true sense of the word means, uncovering apocalypse means to uncover. It doesn't mean the end of the world. And it has been an [00:52:00] uncovering a de masking, if you will, cuz I'm sure you. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You're just a few years younger than me, but this is the thought that went through me. And most people that I knew in high school, we learned about the Holocaust. How could they do this? How could they do that? And then go home to their family every night and hug their kids and then be putting people in gas chambers and ovens during the day. Dr Sam Sigoloff: This is how we did it. And they actually would disappear if they went against it here. We just had minor social pressure on Facebook. Alec Zeck: Yeah. Isn't it unbelievable. And that's really shows us how cowardly, how disconnected spiritually, how just disconnected from reality human beings have become. Alec Zeck: There's actually another session during the end of Covid called The Digital Phenomenon of Covid. And it Discusses how the only way they were able to really carry this out is because we as human beings, ironically, I'm talking to you on using the platform that I would be describing here, but it can be like, it's just a tool [00:53:00] that can be used for good or for bad. Alec Zeck: Obviously we're spreading ideas that is helping to dissolve illusions. But the point is this could have never happened prior to the digital era to the magnitude that it occurred. And I think that they attempted to do something like this with hiv aids, but we were still analog people at that point. Alec Zeck: Like now we literally have our brains in our pockets. Let's think of how many times now you don't even have to think about something cuz you just know subconsciously that, oh, my phone has that information. Now I don't have to memorize these things. I don't have to write it down a piece of paper. Alec Zeck: It's on my phone. It's like a secondary brain. And that brain has us glued to it at all times for those of us who are unaware and most of the population is unaware. So they start seeing things projected on these black rectangles and then creating an overlay of it in observe reality, especially because everyone else around them is doing the same thing. Alec Zeck: Thus perpetuating that false, completely false illusory reality into [00:54:00] real reality, thus making it appear more real. That's what's happening. Dr Sam Sigoloff: This is the only time in human history where people have been isolated, but not alone because you're isolated by yourself in your own home, but you have this community. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That, that has absorbed you into it. The borg, if you will, or the hive mind. And it's all about this, the science and, virus and all this, and they're all going the same direction. Previously, if you were alone in your home, you'd be alone in your home and you would have no community. So you'd be pressured to leave your home, to visit your neighbors, to actually get real community. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But here you're getting that kinda artificial desire filled artificially with some bit of community. And once you enter a community like that, you're not, you're gonna rat your neighbor out. You're gonna rat your kids or your parents out before you leave that community cuz it's that strong. Alec Zeck: Totally agree. Yeah. And it's just I think it in many ways, for those who are unaware, the digital realm has just amplified the worst [00:55:00] of all human behaviors. Like people behave online and speak to other people online in ways that they would never. Do in person Likem reason why, but you get it. Alec Zeck: I get it all the time. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Because in person, there's a reason why Absolutely. If someone said that to someone else, they'd be missing their teeth as they walked away. That doesn't Alec Zeck: Yeah, that's the whole point. No, it never does. But it's just amplifies the worst of human behavior. And it's just and this is a perfect example. Alec Zeck: The whole charade of the last three and a half years, it's amplified. Like people were literally taking what the authority figures were saying based that was being projected to them via these black rectangles and projecting that onto their own reality in the face of their own lived and observable experiences, showing them the exact opposite. Alec Zeck: That's how disconnected we are. And that is scary as hell. Dr Sam Sigoloff: There's so much power in that little black mirror that everyone stares at and is connected to. [00:56:00] And right now it's only in your hand. In the not so distant future, they'll, it'll be different. They're, I dunno if it'll be just like this, but there may be some injectable that goes into your brain that projects inside of your eye. Dr Sam Sigoloff: There's patents that explain this. So it's really not that farfetched, what I'm saying? Alec Zeck: Yeah, no, not at all. Not farfetched even a little bit. And I think that's the general direction they're attempting to go with some of the tech technology that is inside these injectable products. Alec Zeck: And we have three different sessions during the end of Covid. I know one person who's been a guest, actually no two of them have been a guest on your podcast, Dr. Anna Mahachi, and then also Dr. Lee Merritt. They both have their own respective session called the mRNA shots part part one and then part three. Alec Zeck: And then part two of the mRNA shots is with Dr. Anna Maria Oliva outta Spain. And they're all three dif differing perspectives in some ways. But the general sentiments is that it's very clear that [00:57:00] this technology and this agenda is for the purpose of transhumanism. It absolutely is. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And one thing you just kinda touched upon that I wanna help alleviate fears cuz so often in this field where we're looking into things that we don't really fully know, it seems like there's a lot of conflicting information and really I think what we all see is something is wrong and this is the angle that we find at it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And the truth is probably more like in the middle rather than being hardcore. One idea or the other idea, it's usually somewhere in the middle. Alec Zeck: Yeah, it ju and it just depends on any given situation. So like obviously some things are absolutely black and white

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And being shutting down and saying that's not the science is immediately a cue that what you're getting fed is standard line that is supposed to be shouted across the world for the moneyed interest, if you will. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in [00:01:00] uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well, thank you for joining me again. I have a very special guest today, but before I introduce him, I wanna thank all of my Patreon supporters. We've got shell pace at the $50 level. We've got an anonymous donor family at 20. At the 2020 level. Dr Sam Sigoloff: We have the pandemic reprimand to at $17 and 76 cents. With Ty Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Anna, who's been a guest on here. We have Frank Brian, we have Kevin. At the $10 level, we have the $5 refined, not burned level, with Linda Emmy. Joe, pat and Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, Ken. We've got Frank at $1 and 50 cents, and the courage is contagious level. Dr Sam Sigoloff: At $1 a month, we have Amanda, Jay bets, Natty Darrell, Susan BB King, who is a guest. And Rick, thank you so much for all the. The money you've been supporting. This fight just keeps going and going and going. I recently had an interview or a, a meeting with the Texas Medical Board. I can't divulge any information from that until August when they [00:02:00] have the official meeting. Dr Sam Sigoloff: The lawsuit against the Secretary of Defense is ongoing and it's close to a hundred thousand dollars worth of money that, of my own that I've placed into that. So I appreciate every, every penny that everyone's been able to provide. But today we have a very special guest. His name is Dr. Bruce Dooley. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Now he, he has uncovered some amazing things in the past and he's been doing this for a while. But sir, go ahead and tell us, kinda give us an intro and, and tell us what you've been uncovering. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well, thanks for having me, Sam. I I'm, I'm calling you, I'm talking to you from New Zealand where I'm a registered physician, but I'm also have registration in Florida for over 40 years in medical clinics. Dr. Bruce Dooley: There. And what I wouldn't, you know, I've been involved with integrative complement alternative medicine for all, almost all that time. Early on though I had the interesting run in, as we all had with my Florida Medical Board. And it was on the basis of one [00:03:00] word and an, and an advertisement that I had, but it was basically they were coming after me for doing chelation therapy. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And when I was leaving the w the second meeting after I had marched a whole bunch of about 400 patients on them to not shut down chelation and it worked. I heard them say we'll meet you, I'll meet you at the federation meeting in Dallas next week. And I went, Federation. And then it, it wa it, it took me back about six years when I was sitting on the board of, I was on the board of directors of the, of amazing. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Growing, very rapidly growing doctor's organization called acam, American College for the Advancement of Medicine. And I remember Terry Chap, the president at the time, had this folder and he had all these papers. He says, damn. He says, this federation, they denied 27 requests for us to be expert witnesses, expert contributors to their new policy on compliment or alterative medicine that they're gonna put out.[00:04:00] Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well, I didn't, I thought to myself, well, that's, that's really good. Terrible thing to do, but I, I forgot all about it. And and a year later, our acam was attacked by the Fed the federal Trade Commission for, again, like one word and, and about chelation helping with heart disease. I didn't put two and two together cuz I didn't, you know, you know, I only, I only found out later that the federation actually had invited the head of the FTC the year before and he's on record. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Transcript saying, thank you very much for telling us about Acam. We'll take care of them more or less. And then they did. So they basically shut down a 12. We had 1200 doctors, 1200. And it was growing at the rate of, yeah, it was growing at the rate of about 200 doctors a year. We had a million dollars in the bank. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And they stopped this effort. And it really, basically when that report came out about Cam, it was, it was written by what we call the quack busters. These doctors that do nothing but de denigrate any doctors that don't just [00:05:00] follow the line. And at the end of that report, which I can send you, it's really absolutely amazing cuz I have still have a copy. Dr. Bruce Dooley: You can't find it anymore. But that special report that basically was voted in by the delicate boards of this federation, we can talk how they do. That said at the bottom that Daniel Eisenberg study from Harvard showed that the the de use of alternative medical therapies had approached 30 billion a year and more and more visits to alternative practitioners than to regular gps. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And this was their battle cry at the bottom was like, we better stop this. And that's, so this is, this has really been what's been gone. We, we are looking at a and so anyway, long story short, I put the two federations together that were about six years apart and I ended up going to signing in, if you will as a guest. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And you can do that. And I, and I watched how they did this, and then I wa then that was in Dallas and then the next year I went [00:06:00] to Atlanta and I went undercover, if you will, there to again. See how I know. And it was great fun, but it, you know, I was shocked to see that this 110 year organization, it was, it was formed in 1912. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Alright, 1912 is and, and we don't know who funds them. We know through the help of people that have gotten this information that they're, they spend about a million dollars a week. That's their internal revenue statements. They have office huge two-story hu huge two, two-story buildings stuck back in a little. Dr. Bruce Dooley: A big suburb kind of hidden and 300 staff there. They also have a, a big office in Washington, dc This is a. Very secretive organization that hide that hides in the shadows, but they, they control pretty much the medical boards, councils in both the United States, 70 70 medical boards and [00:07:00] including your osteopathic would be on it. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And also in a by a sidebar little comp, not company, but organization called the International Association of Medical Regulators. I am r. Which is same address in Fuller Drive, 400 Fuller Drive. And then that they, through that they control the other countries that are members, Germany, Canada, uk, Australia, New Zealand, and sitting on their board of directors, sitting on their board is the secretary, is the CEO and president of the Federation. Dr. Bruce Dooley: He makes a million dollars a year, Dr. Chandry. So this is a this is a dark, secretive organization that most 99.9% of doctors don't know about or didn't know about. And for 20 years I've been kind of trying to figure out how in the world we we, we would get at the, get at, you know, just uncover what they're doing. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And then all of a sudden the covid scheme came out. [00:08:00] And and then all the doctors started getting doctors like Merl Nassau was just talking about earlier. And you know, all around the world, including McCullough now. And you know, and we have 26 physicians down here, doctors, really good doctors who are being attacked by the New Zealand Medical Counsel. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Not one patient complaint. In fact, in 40 years. I have not had one patient complain in 40 years. I have not had one malpractice in 40 years. And and all my all my effort has been fighting medical boards through this time for, in my particular case right now for prescribing Ivermectin, which I'm personally I mean we we're professionally allowed to do by law and it's safe and is very effective. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And and the whole story is coming out I think very clearly. I think is it Malone's book coming out? The War on Ivermectin? There's a, he's putting out a book this week, I think it's finally getting out called the War on Ivermectin. [00:09:00] And it should be very interesting, but I'll tell you one, the, the, the, if anybody wants to really see how this was handled, They should go and read at least the first chapter of Robert f Kennedy's Junior's book, the, the Real Anthony Fauci. Dr. Bruce Dooley: You can get it for $3 at the electronic version on, on Amazon. And very, and you know, of course Kennedy being a lawyer and knew who he was up against. He documents everything and, and it's been bulletproof. He's not been attacked. For one thing he said in 900 pages, which I haven't. Honestly gotten through. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's a, that's a lot of, that's a lot of reading. But in the, in the first chapter he talks about how they were able to stop ivermectin in a hydroxychloroquine early on so that they could roll in the experimental shot the inoculation with mRNA. It's an absolutely amazing story. And we have a, there's a. Dr. Bruce Dooley: There's a, there's a billionaire in Australia [00:10:00] Palmer. Mr. Palmer is he went out in 2021 and he bought enough hydroxychloroquine for every Australian in the country, right? This is an amazing story. So he said, you know, he says, I'm gonna make this available to everybody early on. Cause I, I believe in it. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And the government came in and seized it and destroyed it. So he's, he's hopping mad. Mr. Mr. Palmer, he's really mad. He's been he used to be a senator too, I think he was in, in the legislature. Anyway, that's a, that's a, that's a, a run on kind of thing about where I'm at. I'm trying to get people to wake up to the idea that this is not, and particularly doctors, that this is not coming from their individual boards, that these boards have. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Medical boards and councils they go to these meetings and they have a delegate voting thing at the very end kind of a ceremony, velvet ropes and, and all of this. And the, the delegates march in and they each get a [00:11:00] desk with the little electronic voting booth and the, the federation the year before or during the year when they've been absent to these annual meetings. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Have, well, in fact, I'll, I'll tell you what they did in the last one at the last meeting, which was in February of 2022 in New Orleans. They brought forward for voting the federation's plan 12 page plan on misinformation and disinformation. So you medical boards now, and they voted it in because they, they wind you and dine you at these five star hotels. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I mean, it's really quite a, I've never been to anything that was quite so splash as what the Federation puts on. And they tell you what good doctors are and how we have to protect the public from harm. This is the medical board's. Battle cry, of course, is harm. Well, this, there's no harm being done here with I metin. Dr. Bruce Dooley: In fact, there's harm being done by not using early treatment. What we were being told is doctors after they pulled, [00:12:00] after they scared. Well, so anyway, the, the federation in. Early 2021. No, that mid around June did something very unusual. Sam. They, they did, they did a blast around the world. A a public, they came out and publicly in, in, in all the news media, and I've never seen this before. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And they said, We're concerned that doctors are spreading Mrs. Misinformation about covid and early treatment with, they didn't say Ivermectin, but they, you know, and, and because physicians have a high place of trust and by the public, they are, they need to be specially controlled. Pretty much. I. And if they give mis misinformation, then they are at risk of losing their license by the medical board. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Of course. Course you know, you and I, you know, well, I'm not gonna speak for [00:13:00] myself, but most, or for you, but most doctors spend all of their lives right through trying to get. Out and, and become a doctor. And then they have to pay back their medical, their, their bills, their college things, lots of expenses. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So they are and, and many times now they're not independent. Like when my, my father was a physician, and I speak about this in some of their interviews, where they were all independent doctors. You know, they were their own captains of their own ship. Nobody told them what to do. Now doctors are being paid here in New Zealand by the government, mostly not me, I'm private, independent or by HMOs or they're dependent on insurance companies or, or big corporations that own their practices on and on. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So they're, they're, they're under c pretty much under control, aren't they? And if they don't do what they're told to do, like get jabbed or, you know, all these other things, Then they can lose their job. And, you know, how, where, where are they gonna go? What else, what other trade does a doctor have? Think about it, right?[00:14:00] Dr Sam Sigoloff: We spend our entire lives becoming doctors. And so that's all these years not developing other skills. We're got our head notebook trying to figure this out, Dr. Bruce Dooley: right, and they know that the, the Medica, the Federation and, and they know that. They know that. And then, and then of course, in your particular case and many others they're using you know Government funds in, in many cases to attack doctors who then have to defend themselves and, and go further into debt and, you know, mortgages, their housed to pay for their lawyer fees, to protect their livelihood for something that was not a direct harm to patients. Dr. Bruce Dooley: You understand this, this is, this is really where it's got, and misinformation and disinformation, which was voted in, in at this house meeting. This sorry. Their, their annual meeting in New Orleans now is then transferred onto the books of every state medical board as law. You see, it's InCorp. Dr. Bruce Dooley: See, you can't have a private [00:15:00] corporation. This is what I was doing. I was sitting watching this delegate vote back in 1999. I was watching this happening and I said, you know, you can't do this. You can't make law in a private. You know, organization, membership, organization, cuz each state board is a member. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And interestingly enough, we have now seen that in behind the scenes that these member medical boards, they're being held to account by the federation that they need to, they need to tow the line or they could get disciplined a amazingly, a medical board or council. Signs an agreement with a private 110 year organization that says basically we'll follow whatever the, whatever the delegates, whatever was voted in. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And if we don't, these are the terms that we can get disciplined. How about that? Wow. That's terrifying. I know. It's unbelievable. And well, it's not, it's not unbelievable to me. It's very believable. And that [00:16:00] we see We can't see behind the screen. Who's really paying who's, these guys are spending a million dollars a week. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Where's that money coming from? The medical councils? You know what? Their annual ME membership is about $10,000 a year. Now that's 10 times 70, that's 700,000. That's not even gonna get 'em through a week. Well, wow. Guess what else? They owned the Fed Federation. They owned the National Medical Boards. Oh, wow. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Oh yeah. So they, they, they have another group that administers it, but they basically own the testing for doctors. So what do you think, you think the testing is gonna be talking about herbs and natural remedies and things like that, or even medical school is gonna be teaching. How much, how much how much nutrition did you get in your four years of medical school, Sam? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Maybe an hour. An hour, that's what I got. An hour. It hasn't changed and I, and I graduated in 80. [00:17:00] Dr Sam Sigoloff: Here's the pyramid. Eat food. That's about it. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It was terrible. It was so boring. And of course my pyramid was upside down. Now it's completely changed. So doctors don't know a darn thing about nutrition. From medical school, I, we all had to go and retrain ourselves. Dr. Bruce Dooley: That's what my organization, a C A M, was all about, bringing doctors in, teaching 'em about physiology. Well, we knew physiology, but we didn't realize that how vitamin D fits into a pathway that is, is that feeds like 2000 reactions and that vitamin D, there's a receptor on every cell in the body for vitamin D. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And that all the studies now coming out showing that if people are taking on the average of about. Four to 5,000 IU a day that they're basically gonna, you know, they're just not gonna get sick. Well, well, don't you think we should be giving vitamin D to everybody? It's a pretty cheap solution. Yeah. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well, because I mean, I, I, blood te in Florida, my clinics in Florida, you can't have more sun than Florida. And I [00:18:00] tested everybody, all my patients, and guess what, 85% were suboptimal. Wow. In Florida. Wow. Well, they're putting hats on the slapping thing, you know, sunscreen in here in New Zealand, we get, you know, they call it the land of the the, the big white cloud. Dr. Bruce Dooley: That's what that's what new h r a s stands for. The point is that doctors are and you know, I, you know, I don't want to, I, I love what my profession, that's why I'm fighting so hard for it, because they decided that they were gonna bring this scam. Through our door which is now really becoming more and more obvious that this is, this is not about a virus. Dr. Bruce Dooley: This is not about, this is about controlling people and, and getting people to, and they want to, and this World Health Organization to your, to your viewers out there, the most dangerous thing coming and I, I warned people a year and a half about this ago, about the World Health Organization Pandemic Treaty. Dr. Bruce Dooley: That is right now actually last week being fine tuned[00:19:00] to be voted in by every country, by one guy. By the way, in our particular case, the Minister of Health, he gets to go to Geneva and sit in the same kind of booth, I guess, and push a button yay or nay on a plan, on a pandemic plan that says that the. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Countries agreed to turn over all control on the next pandemic or next emergency to the World Health Organization. Wow. That's, yeah, that's this, this is, they will be removing all sovereignty. They will be able to, they will be able to mandate inoculations, they will be able to actually do police enforcement in, in separate countries. Dr. Bruce Dooley: This is this is the final. What is that? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Declaration and Constitution. Constitution, Dr. Bruce Dooley: yep. Yeah, the Constitu. Well, now it's really interesting. United States because of the founding fathers and, and I'm, you know, my medical school is in [00:20:00] Philadelphia, right where the Liberty Bell is. And so, you know, I, I feel a real affinity to you know, to these young 56 men who were putting their lives on the line to go up against England. Dr. Bruce Dooley: With this declaration. And, and basically they knew that they were signing their death, their death penalty, the death penalty, you know if, if it ever, if they lost, they would be dead, you know? And yet they also knew that they could had to restrict the power of this new country's federal government because it would go outta control. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So they gave the states equal power. You see governors and states right now, Ron DeSantis, I'm so proud in Florida of what he and La Poto his medical director are doing to uphold the, the power that was given to them in the Constitution. The, the globalists. The people that are behind this hate this idea. Dr. Bruce Dooley: They, and, and they, and they're trying [00:21:00] like crazy to try to get around the constitution and this democratic Party that is, is, you know, with Biden at the head, is doing everything they can to, to crush any, any of that. So but what we're saying is the rest of the world is watching because some, some of the states right now, I think North Dakota, some of the are saying we're not gonna follow the World Health Pandemic Treaty if it's signed. Dr. Bruce Dooley: We're just not gonna do it. Wow, that's interesting. So they're saying in effect, we're not gonna allow the federal government to sign for us cuz we are an independent, you know, we have our own right. Freedom of, of expression and freedom. Wow. Isn't that wonderful that now, you know, 200 some years later, these young founding fathers vision is actually being played out in real time? Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's, it is. I mean, if I wasn't so busy, I would say if I was not in medicine, I'd be. Have a big bowl of popcorn and, and be watching this. Like it's a great movie going on, isn't it? Dr Sam Sigoloff: It is. And the [00:22:00] 10th Amendment really playing out in true fashion here. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I know. So but the, the, the, the the antithesis to of freedom in Medical Freedom is, is coming out of this, this very dark organization, the Federation of State Medical Boards. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And they they need to be exposed. They need to be well, they, they were there before any of the alphabet agencies, government agencies. Think about that. And in, interestingly enough, we just, I just got some information that one, they they coupled the federation coupled with a, another organization. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I don't know exactly the name, something Bo federal Board of Pharmacy. Okay. Guess when the Federal Board of Pharmacy, whatever the name is national Board of Pharmacy, when, what, what year do you think that was created? It was in 1913. 1904. 1904. 18 years before the Feder? Yeah. There was a national board of pharmacology [00:23:00] when, when Rockefeller and all these guys were trying to promote pharmaceuticals, which were going up against. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Excuse me, going up against homeopathy and some of the other natural cure cures and this, and, and they were being beaten by Homeopathist. The same doctors that went to same medical school. Some went over to homeopathy, studied with Samuel Hahnemann, and the other ones went with Allopathy, with Rockefeller and his pharmaceuticals, which were causing terrible side effects and still are. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Pharmaceuticals are still third beating cause of death in, in, in, and it have been every year. Wow. You know that, right? What pharmaceuticals are the third leading? The cardiac and cancer go back and forth between first and second pharmaceutical, as always is. And, and the medical treatment itself. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Iatrogenic, I love that word. Yeah. Iatrogenic. Yeah. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I, I had a doctor look through some of my charts and, and gig me on [00:24:00] the fact that I got a patient off of their blood pressure medication and say, isn't that the goal? Isn't that what we're supposed to do? Isn't that as a primary care, as a family medicine physician, our, our goal is to get people off medications and, and make them to where they don't need them. Dr. Bruce Dooley: No goal? Yeah. No. Your goal doctor. Okay. Your goal, this is what we trained you for. You have one hour of nutrition. We're gonna say that you got nutrition, but you're gonna have a whole year of pharmaceutical in medical school, the whole year of pharmaceutical, right? That's what you had. Well, yeah. Something like that. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Right Year. I dont know what it's anymore, Dr Sam Sigoloff: but I had whole year, it was done every year, whole year. Year. Every year for four years. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Okay. Yeah. So, so your job doctor, white coat and very respected Doctor I. Is to go out there and sell those drugs for us. That's right. You just, you just be a good drug pusher and then, and, and we won't bother you, you know? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Oh, you're gonna take, you're gonna start using natural things. You're gonna start using [00:25:00] non patentable. You safe, effective, but, and you know, by the way, everything that, that doctors in, in integrative medicine use most everything. If you go into Google Scholar where the, all of the, you know, the real stuff is you can find thousands of articles. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's just that you know, pharmaceutical companies are not going to be funding it. So I, I'll tell you what yeah, I, my goal is to get people off of prescription medications. That's why I'm not like, And why? Because it's just a leading cause of, of death and all of these side effects. So why would I not want to choose something that I, that has been proven to be effective, say I don't know say vitamin D for a person who's constantly getting sick, rather than throwing antibiotics and wiping out their microbiome, which then sets them into autoimmune disease. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And, you know, you have to use more, more drugs for that. The truth is, as it's hard to say, it's [00:26:00] sometimes hard to say, is that we have been inculcated into a disease care system. Yes. That feeds off of disease. Yes. That feeds off of illness. If I, you know, I, I, I've, I've stood in front of thousands of people and gave talks and I, and I said to them, and this is, you know, If I was a magician right now, folks, and I waved my hand over the, over this crowd and I said, not one of you is going to get sick again until you're, you know, until you, until you die at a nice old ripe age of 85 in bed, you're gonna be healthy et cetera. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I would, I wouldn't probably live much longer if I could actually do that because, None of those people then would enter into the, the pharmaceutical, medical, industrial complex, would they? They, they would be outside. I all of a sudden I would be like taking profits out. It's hard to, it's hard to say that, but it's true. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Absolutely. And that's why prevention. You weren't taught in medical [00:27:00] school, rural prevention. You were taught about vaccines. Yeah, that's not prevention, really my estimation. Yeah, it's harm and you know, Hippocrates, the oath, I hope they're still given the oath, but Hippocrates said, Hippocrates said, let medicine be like food and food be like medicine. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Yeah. Yes. Well, if you get one hour of an upside down triangle, that ain't, that's not following hip Hippocrates very well, is it? Dr Sam Sigoloff: No. And when I first stumbled across nutrition and started going down that road, I was literally walking in a cloud dazed and confused for a month cuz it flipped everything on its head. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It flipped that triangle right upside down. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Yeah. And it's like, oh wow. Yeah. My mom, my mom, God bless her is gone. My, my but she You know, she was she was sucking down diet Coke and Diet Pepsi, thinking that she was you know, low fat, everything, just low fat. And, you know, low fat means just the opposite. Dr. Bruce Dooley: You're gonna get fat if you eat anything. High sugar, low fat. Yeah. Well, high in sugar is high in carbohydrates, [00:28:00] simple carbs. And, and they're gonna blow up your your insulin curve. And they're going to, and they're gonna create diabetes. If, you know, you're sitting there stuffing bread and, and all the cheap stuff that you can get in processed food, which sadly is really where things are going as the economy, as they've been able to suck all of the ju all the middle class money out and put it in their coffers. Dr. Bruce Dooley: More and more people are finding, you know, I just read the last night that the that there's 42% of people are in a And, and really in the United States are in a, in a food what's it called? Scarcity type of a situation. They, they're, it's a food desert. Food. What? Food desert is that? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Not desert. I know the word, but it's, it basically means that they're, they're hungry. Mm-hmm. Food deprivation. Food, food shortage. So they're going, they're going into the supermarkets now, and they're, and they're not buying. The expensive, fresh vegetables, but they're buying the cheaper processed [00:29:00] food just to fill their bellies. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And that's, that's really leading to more obesity, more morbidity. It's a tsunami of obesity as you well know in and it's actually happening here in New Zealand. I, I moved to New Zealand in 1996 back and forth. Actually, I still, I kept my clinics running. So it's been a, it's been fun to to, you know, get this information out and to meet doctors like you who are, are really pushing the, the, you know, for the truth to get out. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And, and this is what we need to do. We, we are up against a a controlled corporate media that is ref refusing. In fact, I, I. They're refusing to show the death and disabilities that are happening from this vaccine, cuz not a vaccine but purported vaccine. And they are not, they're not talking to, they're not talking about any of the alternatives. Dr. Bruce Dooley: In fact, they're, they're denigrating them. And we, we are, the [00:30:00] only thing that's left is this kind of alternative media to get the message out to, particularly the younger people if they're watching to make them. You know, I, I'm, I, I think, you know, have you found that there's a kind of a complacency in, in the younger people that they're just kind of, they don't want to, they don't want to get their hands messed up in this, or, or are they active? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Are they actually mad and, and wanna fight back? What's what, what do you hear on the ground there? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Most people that I've run into, you know, they've been on on a particular side, same, same as we are, and they're getting upset. They're, you know, they're, they're upset with what's happened to children. They're upset with the lies they've been told. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But then to contrast that with a guy who's, who's a doctor just a little bit older than me maybe about 10 years older or so, he said, oh, if this was a, a gene therapy, there'd be people dying of cancer everywhere. Dude. What world are you living in? Like, open your eyes. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Yes. They are dying of cancer everywhere. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I had a friend of mine who's a nurse. Her her husband [00:31:00] fit, 70 year old guy gold miner, back up the hills here, never smoked. Got triple or quadruple full believer. And last week started coughing up blood. Oh my goodness. And. Got him into a CT scan straightaway. He's got stage four metastatic lung cancer. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Now, you know, I've been around 40 years to practice the medicine. Non-smoker go from hemoptysis coughing up blood to a stage four spread around your body. That's called turbo cancer. Yeah, that's called the cancer that comes out of nowhere for no, and, and spread So. That's, and, and so I think that because New Zealand only's got 5 million people, we're, we're seeing the, the, the Normies as they call 'em, the people in the middle who, you know, have just have bought, bought the hook, line and sinker the government [00:32:00] funded story. Dr. Bruce Dooley: They are starting to wake up a little bit. They're like, you know, people are, you know, dropping dead left and right, and they're getting all these injured and even themselves, they come in th they're not a big subset of my, my patient population, but they're coming in and saying, you know, I've just not been feeling like I've had any energy. Dr. Bruce Dooley: My, I can't think I've got brain fog. They've got all of these you know, I'm used to dealing with these kind of symptomatologies prior to you know, the shot. But now it's becoming so clear and yet interestingly enough, if I'm to, as a doctor allowed if I stood up and said, well, you had, you know, that's because you, you got the, the jab. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well then next thing I know, there'd be a, there'd be a ring on my phone from the medical counsel saying, what are you doing? Telling people that you can't prove that, you know? Yeah. Well they were fine before it and they weren't fine after. That's right. And it's like happening everywhere. And the cancers are [00:33:00] Well, so get this, I wanna finish this story because it, it, it was in line with what you said. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So this fella with the cancer, Had a meeting, just what is Friday, Monday with the local oncologist, the cancer doctor in the nearby town that we have. So he's, he's there, you know, telling him the chemotherapy and all this kinda stuff, you know, and hardly ever, you know, as I see it, hardly ever, even looking at, at, at either of them, you know, just going on, droning on. Dr. Bruce Dooley: But then he turns to this fellow, His name is Paul and he says, Paul, he said, now you have to protect your immune system because you know you're in a delicate spot. You have to get a booster. My, you have to go, oh my goodness. You have to make sure you keep your boosters up to date. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I would shake him if I was sitting there with him. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Like, what are you talking about? Dr. Bruce Dooley: I mean, I'm glad I wasn't because I, I would be an assault and battery and yet I can't [00:34:00] turn this oncologist into the medical counsel for mal malpractice and for, you know, harm because Yeah. Are you kidding me? Dis information another, and you know what, not a talk about, you know, changing his diet or any of that kinda stuff, just. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Get your, keep your shots going in that dot, you'll be safe. Well, this is this is monstrous. Really. It's monstrous. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, I mean, just the term Turbo cancer, you used it, I heard it from, from a pastor once who he unfortunately got, he was, he was happy to say that he was the first one to get a shot in this local area and, and then he had beat cancer many years ago, and then all of a sudden he shows up with what he coined as turbo cancer. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it's like, you hear that everywhere now. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well, actually, it's, it, you see a lot more relapses. You're right. This was de novo. This was actually, I mean, outta nowhere. Yeah. For a guy didn't smoke. Yeah. But the relapsing ones are, are really common. I mean, they're everywhere. And I, I tell people [00:35:00] who, you know, have been coerced I mean, you know, there's an awful lot of people who didn't want to get this you know, this experimental jab. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Right. And, but they had to, to keep their job right. And to me, that co that coercion forced, it was a force basically. Now a lot of them are regretting it like crazy and they wanna do, particularly if they've had a, a, you know, cancer in the past. They wanna, they, they've come to us. We have a very interesting organization here. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's New Zealand Docs, s o s, speaking on science. NZ nz D sos dot co.nz at there.dot org. We banded together maybe 200 doctors early on, back in early 2021. So this organization has been standing up against the the medical counsels and the, and the government saying, you know, you know, this is, this is wrong. Dr. Bruce Dooley: This is absolutely wrong. And you know, [00:36:00] thank God we are, I think we're prevailing. I think we're, we're getting the, the, the, the, the momentum is, is swinging because the, the media can't keep, can no longer keep the lid on this stuff. I mean, they were being paid. The government of United of New Zealand spent, we know 55 million gave to the, to, to the news outlets. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Okay. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It's a country of 5 million people, you said? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Yep. 55 million. Was handed out. Handed out, and as I understand from you know, the, one of the top politicians that that, that we have in the country, in an interview he did that, he said that this was contingent. Money, it was like a loan if they didn't kind of follow the narrative. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So all of the, you know, all of our media down here except the ones that [00:37:00] we created ourselves, which now, excuse me, voices for Freedom is one. We also have a reality check radio. We have reality radio, reality check radio. So this is where real information is coming out. They're interviewing people. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Doctors like me, they're interviewing farmers who are being hit up for carbon. I mean, down here, this is how bad it's gotten because we're getting attacked by many, many sides. Medicine's one of them. But the other one is this carbon credit. Stuff that basically is really dangerous because they're taxing Cal farts down here. Dr. Bruce Dooley: They are literally for the last two years there's been a campaign to tax the farmers because their cows are farting methane. And that's, that's the, that's gonna cause global warming. So, so, Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, so you don't know this yet cuz it, it, it's coming out this weekend, but by the time this episode comes out, it'll be out. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I did an episode [00:38:00] with recently getting out major in the Army and. He's doing regenerative farming. He calls it operation regen. And it's all about using the land and using, you know, understanding how the land works to make it more green, to sequester carbon, to put it in the soil, to make the plants grow more so that you can have better meat. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And the whole point is to have better meat. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's, it's, yeah, it's all about the soil. And, and, and and, and instead of killing the soil, you, you should make the soil stronger. And, and, and then whatever grows in that soil is gonna make you stronger and, and or the animals stronger, et cetera. Luckily here in New Zealand, still, knock on wood, all of our meat is grass fed. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And they, we don't have livestock, you know, yards and things like that. But I'll tell you people need to really if they're not doing it for themselves, do it for their children. Because we need to, we need to turn this, this monster that is, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's infiltrated or [00:39:00] captured so many organizations, I think the CDC d and the Fd f FDA are. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Or without that, they're captured. Okay. The things that they have done that are run neg, run anti hu human health and really caring for the people and more for, you know, you know, sweeping it. This fda allowed this experimental mRNA in it was complicit in the suppression of the Of the Ivermectin that the first letter that went out that I got was from an f d a telling the Federation, we have this, this letter that the concerns they have about ivermectin being dispensed for Covid. Dr Sam Sigoloff: This is, it's safer than Tylenol. What, what Dr Sam Sigoloff: could be the problem? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Right? Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well, the problem is, as you know, that you can't get an emergency use authorization. Right. If there's something that works. Right, and it's cheap. [00:40:00] It's been around for 40 years. Billions of doses have been given. There can't be anything that has more. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Safety profile than Ivermectin. And this is, this was, they had to get this out of the way. They had to, they had to get that hydroxychloroquine out of the way. And this is what Kennedy shows in chapter one, which is very well, well worth the $3 if you're not only gonna read one chapter. I mean, it goes on to where aids, H I v and all that whole thing with Fauci. Dr. Bruce Dooley: We're talking about a guy. Who is a very oh, I hope, I, I really hope that, I really hope that, that that justice is, you know, finds a way to take these people who have hurt and killed so many people, Dr. Bruce Dooley: If not in this life, knowing he will pay in the, the, the time to come there. There's no way to Dr. Bruce Dooley: escape that. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Well, they're gonna answer their maker. I mean, at least, at least [00:41:00] that's gonna be you know, my wife is Russian and and it's been interesting to see that we can't see any, we, we can't see any of these injuries happening in from the Sputnik at all. The Sputnik vaccine that was quickly made in Russia and, and, and dis distributed doesn't seem to have had any, and it's not an mRNA at all. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's, it's, it was done like a true vaccine ma made, like the true vaccines are made. So we're seeing, we're seeing that this, but this doesn't make it out. And, and the other thing is that I, I gave, you know, I gave testimony in, in my case, I. To Uter Prash, UTA Prash is a is a a state in India that's run by a holy man. Dr. Bruce Dooley: He, he's, he can't, he can't, he cannot be bought. And it's 200 million people. That's how many times? That's 40 times more. That's 40 times our population. 200 million. [00:42:00] And if you take a look at what happened when, when Covid started hitting, they dispensed Ivermectin. They had, they had all of these healthcare workers going out and dispensing ivermectin and, and, and zithromycin antibiotic. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And the, the curve of death. The death curve, literally, Sam went straight down. It was, and it went to zero. Wow. 200 million people. Zero deaths. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But, but doctor, where are your randomized controlled studies? Where are your. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Right this, and it was completely about this suppressed in the media. This is how, this is how powerful the guys that own the media are. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Wow. That they can do this. The World Health Organization, which is private and you know it, believe it or not, the World Health Organization, if you type into Google Earth, guys, go find the address to World Health Organization's international headquarters in Geneva, the street address. [00:43:00] Put it in Google Earth, hit the button, and you zoom over to this. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Big building three story building overlooking Lake Geneva, and then in your, in your search B bar. While, while you're there looking at the federa looking at the world Health Organization type into the into the Bar Rothschild palace Geneva, and it creeps over 500 meters, 500 meters. From where the World Health Organization building is. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Is is the Rothschild. It's on their property. The World Health Organization is on the Rothschild property. Wow. There it is. You heard it here the first time. Folks just go to Google there. They can't escape that. It's right there. So you go, okay. So Rothchild is leasing the land to the World Health Organization. Dr. Bruce Dooley: We're giving it to them, not even that, is there any connection there? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, access, they got access to [00:44:00] get whatever they want. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Yeah. Yeah. They own it. They own, they own it. And you know I, I I'm gonna tell you right now, I, I think that you know, they're, they're masters of deception Masters. They've been doing this a long time. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So they put people up in front of them like Bill Gates. And, and then he takes all the heat. Oh, bill Gates, you know, he's the, he's the number one donator to the world Health. He is, he's the, he's the number one donator above all the other countries to the World Health Organization. Bill Gates, the vaccine guy. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Wow. Well, guess what? Is it his money or is it coming from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation money that right. You know, that is, you know, the donors are not known. So there you have it. God bless you. Thank you. Well, we've had a tour to force here. I don't even know what time it is, but Dr Sam Sigoloff: we've been going for 47 minutes. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's nine 30 in New Zealand, and so it's probably what, four 30 there or something? Dr Sam Sigoloff: 2, 2 30. [00:45:00] Dr. Bruce Dooley: Two 30 the day before. The day before. We're, we're always, we're always seeing the future guys. Yeah. We're always out here checking out the future. It's great to talk to you in the future life here. Yeah. I'd love to have you down here one time sometime if you got a chance. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It's amazing country if we just get this if we just get the, the Kiwis to rise up a little bit. It's been very disappointing to see how they've been they've been buffaloed by this whole thing and So we'll see. It's, Dr Sam Sigoloff: do y'all have the same, do have y'all had the same thing happen to y'all as in Australia where they rounded up all the firearms? Dr. Bruce Dooley: No. Let's, at least they have that going for. We, we, we, but we, but we have a very strict firearms control system here. But no, they haven't rounded up the firearms. I don't, I don't aus, you know, Australia is is, is, is what, what happened in Australia. I, I don't know if it really made the news there, but was beyond anybody's accounting about really [00:46:00] totalitarian control issues came down so hard, so fast. Dr. Bruce Dooley: It was, it made everybody's head spin really, and we were right behind it. Of course, we, you know, had the, we had the. This this Prime Minister Jacinda, who fooled everybody. She's a, you know, she's a disciple of Kyle Schwab. And you know, along with, you know, interestingly along with some other leaders, like the Canadian guy Trudeau, they all went to the same they all graduated from the same world Economic Forum school. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I dunno if you know that. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I haven't heard, heard that. I believe some of our other politicians have, have done that too. Dr. Bruce Dooley: We, we had this you know, I had my ma be be, before I got my md I got my master's in immunology. So, you know, I studied the immune system for two years intensively. So this whole thing about locking down everybody and masks and all this kinda stuff was not from the very get go. Dr. Bruce Dooley: I was like, what, what is going on here? I mean, a lot of us were doing that and that's why we [00:47:00] sounded the alarm and started this organization. So, New Zealand Docs. Sos. Anyway. Well, what else? Thank you, sir. Else? Can you, what else can you say? Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, I just, I wanna be respectful of your time. I know you got clinic today. Dr Sam Sigoloff: It's, it's a, you're already a day ahead. I'm a buck short over here. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Hey, listen, really good. Good luck with you. What? I know you can't tell the audience or myself what happened. I, I do want everybody to focus a little bit on what Meryl Nass is doing in Mi Maine. She she's been supported by the Children Health Defense with Ms. Dr. Bruce Dooley: Robert Kennedys. She just had her final day, I guess two days ago. And so we're standing by because it could be the shot that heard around the world. So they attacked her for ivermectin hydroxychloroquine and for basically speaking out and, and telling what we felt to be a reasonable thing. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So be on, be everybody. Be on guard about this misinformation, disinformation. I mean, they, they flipped it on its head. The misinformation disinformation is coming from the media. It's not [00:48:00] coming from the, from us. And and yet they're using it as a bludgeon around the world. And we have to, we have to just be sensitive to it. Dr. Bruce Dooley: So that's my. That's my thought for the day. Everybody have a wonderful weekend. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right that if, if you think if something is wrong, well you should listen to it to find out where it's wrong, and then the sunlight is the best disinfectant and it will show whether it's a foolish idea or a wise idea. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And if you hear anybody who would I just hear this? Oh, Michael, Michael Yen speaking on the album in London just the other day. An impassioned speech. It was really unbelievable. But he's, you know, and he was the Pfizer, he was a big guy for 30 years in Pfizer, and Michael Yin was pleading with people, you know, don't let them inject your children, don't let them. Dr. Bruce Dooley: And then he said at the end, he said, if you hear anybody. Use these two words together. Know that he's, he's false and don't believe, don't ever believe the science. Mm. He [00:49:00] said there is no such thing as the science. Science is always changing. It's always a debate. It has to be allowed to be debated. And being shutting down and saying that's not the science is immediately a cue. Dr. Bruce Dooley: That what you're getting fed is is the. Standard line that is supposed to be shouted across the world for the money and interest, if you will. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Okay. Thank you, sir. I truly appreciate thank, thank you for reaching out to me and, and God bless you. Have a great day. Dr. Bruce Dooley: You too. Cheers, mate. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:50:00] Dr Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest right Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time, up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. Thank you.

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Flag Sign and Tumblers themustardseedshop.net https://www.facebook.com/groups/themustardseedshop/?ref=share 89. Former LTC Brad Miller === Former LTC Brad Miller: [00:00:00] You know, as a French thinker and philosopher Voltaire off repeated quote, and it basically says, if they can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. And I, I think that's extremely applicable to what we've seen the last couple of years. So I mean, you know, this, they. They made so many people believe absolute absurdities, the masks work that we need to lock down, you know, and, and destroy the economy. Former LTC Brad Miller: And that remember the original forecast astronomically high numbers of people that supposedly were, we were gonna lose to Covid. Oh, ESI work. Or, Hey, you're gonna kill grandma, or, Hey, you can't be with your grandparents when they're sick at death's door. You can't be with them in their final moments, you know? Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. [00:01:00] Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well thank you for joining me again. I first wanna thank my Patreon supporters. We've got Shell pace at the $50 level. We've got an anonymous donor at the 20 $20 self-made, 2020 level. We've got the Plano Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents. With Ty Charles Tinfoil Stanley Anna. Who is a previous guest on this? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Anna? Frank. Brian. We've got a self-made level at $10 with Kevin. We've got the refined, not burned, $5 a month. Linda, Emmy, Joe Patten, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn. Jennifer Ken. We've got a dollar 50 a month with Frank and we have the courage is contagious with $1 a month with Amanda, Jay SPTs, nasty Dorell, Susan Bebe King, a previous guest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And Rick I take the time to mention those every day because I appreciate [00:02:00] every dollar that is given in support. I'm still Suing the Secretary of Defense we're about a hundred thousand dollars into that lawsuit. And so it, it is putting some financial stress on the family. I did have just this past week on the day of recording, I did have the meeting with the Texas Medical Board. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I am not able to, to give any details on how that meeting went. I'll find out officially in August what the decision is, but just pray that everything went well. Today I have a very special guest, Brad Miller. He's been on with us before. Just a quick refresher. Brad was a battalion commander, rank of Lieutenant Colonel who resigned his commission at about 19 years and three months, and something very interesting happened yesterday, May 31st. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is the day we're recording is is June 1st. This'll air a few days after that, or maybe a week or two after that. But what, what's so special about May 31st, Brad, and, and thanks for coming. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah, of course. So first of all, thanks for having me. You know, happy to be here, happy to speak with you again, Sam. Former LTC Brad Miller: And very appreciative of [00:03:00] you and your audience and everything that you're doing. You know, you're one of the foremost names, one of the individuals, just absolutely at the, the tip of the spear in this fight. So, so happy to be with you and of course with your With your audience. So May 31st. Yesterday I put out a piece on my ck and for anybody who wants to find me at CK it's it's real easy. Former LTC Brad Miller: It's just my name, Brad Miller, one zero.ck.com. But I put out a piece yesterday that I just called a 20 year view because yesterday, May 31st, 2023. Was exactly 20 years from when I graduated West Point, and therefore exactly 20 years from when I entered the Army. Which means if I were still in the army as of right now, yesterday would've made exactly 20 years. Former LTC Brad Miller: It means that, that as of yesterday, I would've kind of secured my, my retirement pension for lack of a better way to put it. Right, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: right. And so what. [00:04:00] Remind us again how it was, it was like 19 years and was it three months? Is that, is that correct? When you resigned your commission? Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah. So 19, so 19 years three months in 15 days. Former LTC Brad Miller: So my last day of service with the Army was September 15th, 2022. So obviously, you know, I didn't, I didn't quite make it and just in case there are audience members who are not familiar with my story, I'll just kind of give the the, the very abridged version. But my story was, as you alluded to, so I was a Lieutenant colonel in the Army. Former LTC Brad Miller: I was a battalion commander at Fort Campbell, Kentucky in the hundred first Airborne Division. I took command of the battalion. It was called the Rock Solid Battalion. And this was in third brigade of the hundred and first Airborne Division. But I took command in June of 2021. And then as many of your audience members will know in August of 2021, that's when the, the FDA supposedly approved, you know, one of the Pfizer shots. Former LTC Brad Miller: And then the [00:05:00] very next day, d o D. Implemented their mandate. I refused to go along with the mandate. I refused the shot. And then on October 28th, 2021, I was relieved of command. And so I was I was one of only two battalion commanders across the active duty army to be. Relieved of command a couple of months later. Former LTC Brad Miller: So in early 2022, once the Army had published subsequent directives and they had made it abundantly clear that they were going to separate all individuals that were un vaxxed, I decided at that point that you know, I just no longer wanted to be part of the organization. Felt like that I could not in good conscious continue to serve. Former LTC Brad Miller: And so I and so I resigned, and then my last day was September 15th, 2022. So, yeah. So a total of 19 years, three months and 15 days. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for taking that hard stand. I can't imagine putting that much time into it and being that so, so close to the finish, but, but you did the right thing because the more important thing is your soul not [00:06:00] losing, your soul, not giving up on those oaths that you've taken. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah. I mean that's kind of the way that, that I had to look at it and I, and I tell you, and every now and again, someone will ask me this and I've. I've never regretted the stance that I've, that I've taken never. And in fact, even though it's been, you know, not, not quite a year since since I got out, when we just look at the insanity that continues to come from d o d, I mean, I just, I know that I made the right decision. Former LTC Brad Miller: I feel entirely vindicated. Everything that people like you, people like me and plenty of others have said. I, I mean, it continues to play out. So I might have some, some micro regrets about kind of the way in which I resigned. I mean, there's some, there's some conversations that I kind of wish I had had with my, my brigade commander or or the division commander, you know, the, the, the general. Former LTC Brad Miller: That I did not quite get to have. So there are some small micro regrets, but in terms of the decision itself to A, [00:07:00] refuse the shot and b to to go ahead and resign, no, I don't, I don't, I don't regret that at all. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And let's talk a little bit more about that article you recently put out and there was another article I'd like to get into that too. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We tried talking about it, but we had some recording issues. And so here we are again re-recording, but let's, let's talk about that whichever one you wanna talk about first. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah. Okay. So let's start with the one yesterday. So again, I put out a piece just simply called a 20 year view. So what this was was me just introspectively looking at myself, where I'm at now, where I was 20 years ago, and then just kind of trying to assimilate the last 20 years. Former LTC Brad Miller: Right? And so my basic message is I graduated at West Point. And I embarked on this this career in the army. I did not necessarily know how long I was gonna serve in the Army for. I didn't necessarily know that I was gonna try and make a full career out of it. [00:08:00] And in fact, as a, as a, as a junior captain, I actually very strongly considered getting out of the army. Former LTC Brad Miller: But regardless, you know, I I stuck in and then somewhere along the way, kind of as a mid grade major. Maybe, maybe, maybe junior to kind of early, mid grade major. I started to realize that, you know what maybe, maybe I'm competitive enough to be a battalion commander. And, and before that I'd kind of assumed that that was a goal that I just, you know, wasn't gonna necessarily achieve and maybe should not even necessarily worry about. Former LTC Brad Miller: So but I began to think that, you know what Yeah, this might be possible. So I might stick in. I, I didn't go into this yesterday in the in the, in the piece that I wrote, but I'm just kind of giving you some additional context now. So I stayed in and then of course I ended up taking command of the battalion. Former LTC Brad Miller: I was only in command for about four months before I got relieved. And so it's just interesting to look back at this. This this cadet that's graduating from West Point probably has a very, if I can, you know, look back at myself 20 years ago, right? This very [00:09:00] idealistic notion of the academy, the military you know, the country, the, the government, et cetera, right? Former LTC Brad Miller: And then very much entering the army, assuming that That I'm doing so for, for God and country, you know, like, like many of us. And then so fast forward nearly two decades and then paradoxically, I'm actually leaving the army for God and country, you know, because I believe that that is what I have to do in order to align myself with the truth, you know? Former LTC Brad Miller: And first and foremost with God. But then even. Even with the country, and I know you'll understand this, Sam, and a lot of your listeners will too, right? I, I, I felt like I was in this paradoxical situation where I'd been backed into a corner and I, and I felt like, okay, in order for me to actually maintain my oath, then I'm actually gonna have to leave this organization that purports to abide by the Constitution while [00:10:00] actually, you know, completely desecrating it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's such a paradox, isn't it, that to, to serve the country, you must leave the service of the country. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah. Right? Yeah, exactly. That, that you, that you're in this organization that prides itself on, you know, serving the country and yeah. You, you might actually have to, in order to actually serve the country, you may have to separate yourself from that from that organization. Former LTC Brad Miller: And so things like integrity, The oath to the Constitution. Those things are extremely important to me. But number one of course is just, you know, my relationship with God. I mean, I don't take that lightly. And, and, and, and I, I, I just, I would not feel comfortable if I were still, I would not feel comfortable if I had compromised what I knew to be true. Former LTC Brad Miller: Just to save my career. And so the way I put it there are, when you look at kind of my career and the way it ended, there are three things that I gave up, right? So one was my command position, cuz first and foremost, before [00:11:00] I ever ended up out of the army, you know, I was relieved of command. So first and foremost, you know, was the, I lost my command. Former LTC Brad Miller: I lost whatever the remainder of my career, you know, might've looked like, you know, would I've gone to the war college, would I have been promoted to colonel? I mean, there's just no way to know, right? So whatever the remainder of my career was, and then of course my retirement pension because I didn't make it to 20 years. Former LTC Brad Miller: So my command, my career, and my retirement. But I, what I feel like I retained was, you know, my loyalty to God and my just sense of personal integrity and of course my oath to the Constitution. And so one of the things just going back to you know, 20 years ago when I was a cadet, so in that that post that I wrote yesterday, I included my, my senior photo from my, my senior or my first class year at West Point. Former LTC Brad Miller: And There's a little, you know, you could put some sort of, some sort of caption beneath the photo. And so I chose a scriptural passage, and it's [00:12:00] from the New Testament, it's from one of the the epistles that Paul wrote. This one specifically is to Timothy. I mean, it's a, it's a very, very well known verse. Former LTC Brad Miller: It's second Timothy four, seven. But it just, you know, and, and people, even if they don't, even if like that scripture doesn't necessarily ring a bell, they've probably heard the scripture and it says I have fought the good fight. I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. So it's, it's a, it's a pretty well known scripture. Former LTC Brad Miller: And so I kind of included that as a, as a caption beneath my photo. So one of the things that I said in my post yesterday was I mean, I'm, I'm kind of, yeah, I was kind of, I'm kind of unimpressed with myself that, that that's what I chose to put beneath my photo 20 years ago because You know, no, no offense to, you know. Former LTC Brad Miller: Right, right, right, right, right. And no offense to St. Paul, but on my, on my part, it's kind of unoriginal cuz I mean, it's a very well-known scripture. I mean, it's just, it's not, not very creative. But, you know, more importantly than that, you know, I'm kind of taking, you know, taking his words and [00:13:00] kind of, you know, using them with with my situation. Former LTC Brad Miller: But then also, yeah, you're right. It's just, it's shortsighted. So of course I meant it. To refer to my time at the academy. Right. Because, you know like, I mean the academy, I mean, it was a hard experience. It's a, it's a, it's a challenging time to go there and, and be there for four years. And so I was proud that I was graduating. Former LTC Brad Miller: Right. But when you look, when you look back at it now, you know, 20 years ago, right, you're right. My army career was was, was just starting. And so in any case, it's interesting though that I chose that scriptural passage though, because regardless of whether it was wise or you know, whatever, pretentious to, to have used it then, or even to use it now, regardless, the language is far more applicable now as we look at like the end of my career than it, than it ever was. Former LTC Brad Miller: 20 years ago, just looking at my tenure as an academy cadet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, one thing I think is interesting about that is it's almost like a message to yourself from the past [00:14:00] that you're sending this message to your yourself in the future, saying, look buddy, I wanna be able to make this true. Do what you gotta do to make this true. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it seems like you've lived your life in that sense. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah, it is kind of weird. I, I thought that too, like, you know, it is kind of interesting that that that passage would become far more significant, you know, two decades in the future. And so for anybody listening, and I, and I try to make this point extremely clear in in the post that I write, so when I. Former LTC Brad Miller: When I, when I look at the, the, that passage, particularly the final clause, you know, it says I have kept the faith. So when I try and attribute that to my own situation, I mean, I'm, I, I do that extremely cautiously, and I, and I'm saying, Hey, listen, when I take that, That part of the passage from Paul and apply that to myself. Former LTC Brad Miller: I'm doing so in an extremely narrow capacity. I am not making some sort of sweeping, grandiose claim that [00:15:00] I am, you know, the, the best person ever or the best military officer, or that my military career was perfect or that it was grand. I mean, I'm not making, I'm not making that, I'm not making that that claim at all. Former LTC Brad Miller: What I'm claiming is, That I had a generally good military career, that I had a successful military career, that I did obtain some successes that You know, our, our above average, right? And it's a career that I'm proud of, and that when, you know, push came to shove, you know, I mean, I threw my cards down on the table like that, that I am comfortable saying I'm not, I'm not making some sweeping claim. Former LTC Brad Miller: I'm not trying to attribute that passage to me in some, you know, some all-encompassing way. I'm saying, no, no, no. In this, in this one decision. Where I was at a fork in the road and I could either choose to go along with something that I knew was extremely sinister because I always knew that this entire Covid op and the whole thing was an op and is an op. Former LTC Brad Miller: I could either go along with it [00:16:00] or I could refuse to go along with it at at great cost to myself. Now, are there people who have paid more? You know, did, did Paul pay more than me? Yeah, of course, of course. Of course. I'm, I'm not, I'm only making a comparison with myself. That's one of the things that I also try to make very clear in in what I wrote yesterday was this is a comparison between the choice that I made and the choice that I could have made. Former LTC Brad Miller: So again, I could either go along with it. Or I could refuse. I chose to refuse. And, and of course, you know, we know, we know what it cost me, but we know what I also retained, and I'm, you know, I'm happy. I still believe that I came out a winner. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So you're always so careful not to overstate what you've done. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But then we have to look at Peter and, you know, the night that Jesus was, was under trial. Someone asked Peter, oh, aren't you one of those, those guys following Jesus around? He's like, no, no, I'm not. And then they asked him two more times, and then the rooster crows and, and you have to look at [00:17:00] what you did. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You were facing almost as big as. You know, consequences, right? Because losing all of your career, losing your retirement, losing all these things for basically being required to deny Jesus and you did not deny Jesus. Former LTC Brad Miller: Okay? So here's what I will, will say for sure, right? So Sam, you and I have spoken about this. Former LTC Brad Miller: I don't remember exactly what we said in our previous interview, but you and I have spoken on the phone multiple times and I know that you believe, as I believe, and and many of your viewers as well, that this is a spiritual war. Does it? Does it You know, does it show itself physically or in other regards as well? Former LTC Brad Miller: Yes, of course. But fundamentally this is a spiritual war and and I believe that by making the decision that I made, first and foremost, I believe that, you know, I was being loyal to God. Like above all, that was the most important. Now, in doing so, I also thought that I was maintaining my own personal integrity. Former LTC Brad Miller: That's also very important, but first and foremost is God. I also believe that I was maintaining my oath to the Constitution. [00:18:00] This goes back to the paradox that we spoke about before. I believe that I was also doing that, but first and foremost was You know, loyalty to God. You know, if you, if you, you put God first, then you know, whatever comes next is a, is a distant second at at best. Former LTC Brad Miller: Right. And so in that regard, yeah, I, I, I feel like I can, at least in that very narrow way, I can claim to have to have kept the faith, just understanding, you know, in that, in that small way. And I still feel like that, I mean, I don't. I don't regret my decision at all. I've, I've never regretted it. And you know, as well as I do that when you do the right thing, we all would like to believe that it, it makes your life better or it makes your life easier. Former LTC Brad Miller: And in some ways it does, but in some very real ways. It can make your life very, very hard. I mean, that's why it's it's not always easy to do the right thing. You know? It can make your, I mean, you're going through some hardships. I've, I've been, I've been impacted as well. I mean, there have been been very significant financial impacts for the decision that I [00:19:00] made, especially being so close to. Former LTC Brad Miller: You know, retirement and, and I've had to kind of figure out, all right, what are my next goals? What am I gonna do next? And then now I gotta take into account the fact that I don't have that pension that I was basically on the cusp of receiving. But I mean, that's what it means to, to do the right thing and to just, you know, put your faith in God first and just move forward and do the right thing and just, you know, let the rest of it just figure itself out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, absolutely. It's, you know, that just, you said in that article, it's, you know, the, the courage to do the, the hard right over the easy rung, and this is definitely the, the hard right over the easy wrong. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah. So that's a that's a dictum that is, is constantly repeated. To all cadets at West Point. Former LTC Brad Miller: Now it actually comes from a line that's from what's called the the Cadet Prayer, but that is like almost, almost beaten within you or beaten into you [00:20:00] as a cadet when you're at West Point. Right. And I think that's good. I mean, you were supposed to be imbued with these ideals. I mean, you were supposed to understand. Former LTC Brad Miller: The honor code, for example, and integrity and putting others before yourself and being a team player, and you sacrifice for the good of the team and you worry about others before yourself. All of these things that we prize in a military officer, you know, those are practically like, you know, beaten into you through repetition and trauma as a, as a cadet over four years. Former LTC Brad Miller: And so you know, one of the, one of the quips that I put in the, in the post. You know, kind of semi comically yesterday was that you know, it turns out that I, that I did learn some things at West Point, regardless of my, my rather unremarkable academic record there, you know? And I, and I have to, I, I have to question, you know, where is everybody else? Former LTC Brad Miller: And you asked me before what about a previous piece that I wrote? So there's a previous, so, so yesterday's piece was all [00:21:00] about a 20 year view. It's about me. Yeah. I'm, again, not that this is the Brad Miller show, but this was a, an admittedly introspective piece on me. You know, my decision balanced against a decision that I could have made, right? Former LTC Brad Miller: That's what yesterday's piece was all about. And then kind of taking that 20 year view of my entire career summed up in how it ended. But there's a previous post that I put out a couple of weeks ago that you also kind of alluded to in the very beginning, and that one was called an appeal to those who went along. Former LTC Brad Miller: So that one is oriented towards towards others because I am I am admittedly and I am unabashedly critical of those who made the wrong decision. I don't feel bad about that. I don't apologize for that. I'm not saying that I've never done anything wrong. I'm not saying that What I am saying is I have a real problem with people who spend their entire career in the [00:22:00] military where we place a premium on courage to include moral courage. Former LTC Brad Miller: And they they have learned their entire careers to, you know, be patriots. To be selfless, to do the right thing, to to be loyal to the oath. And then they just seem to abandon all of that. And, and I, I, I got a real problem with that. And so in that piece again titled and, and appeal to those who went along, and again, that's on my sub. Former LTC Brad Miller: I was basically saying, Hey, listen, show some courage. You, you have failed to do so up to this point, it's not yet too late. We, we want to embrace you, but you're gonna have to show the courage that you have failed to show up to this point. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I think that's great because, and that article, there are some harsh words, but, but they're not unfounded, right? I, if you've done things wrong in the past, then maybe it's a good friend who comes up and [00:23:00] says those harsh words to you out of love. To get you on the right path. And, and that's how I kind of read a lot of that is that, yeah, these are harsh words, but, but you're not saying this out of malice. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're saying this out of compassion to, to help get you on the, the person that's done the wrong thing, to get them on the right path. Tell them yes, you, you can still find forgiveness. You can still get redemption. You can still do the right thing right now rather than going to the end of your career and still never do the right thing. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah, so you're exactly right. I mean, we've all been there. We've, we've all done the wrong thing and, and I would even venture to say that all of us at some point or points in our lives have even demonstrated cowardice again, whether in a great degree or a small degree, but I mean, everyone shies away sometimes from doing things that they kind of know they should do. Former LTC Brad Miller: E e everybody has, we've all, we've all been there. So at the very beginning of that piece going back to what you just said, [00:24:00] I kind of explain the spirit in which I'm writing it and I say, Hey, listen, I mean this to be interpreted in the spirit that I'm writing it in the spirit that I'm writing. It is kind of equal parts sharp rebuke, but also willingness to embrace. Former LTC Brad Miller: So, I don't feel bad, I will not apologize for sharply rebuking those who have contributed to this massive situation that we're all in. Which, and, and I believe that our country's absolutely on the precipice, right? So not, not gonna apologize for, for hurting feelings it great. But I also want people to know, Hey, listen, we will willingly embl embrace you, but you gotta, you gotta do what you haven't done so far, which is you have to stand up for truth. Former LTC Brad Miller: And you, you gotta show some, some honor because, and Sam, you've talked about this. I, I, I mean, you've talked about this a ton over the last 18, 20, 21 months. So again, and I say this all the time, I [00:25:00] am willing to view people as charitably as possible. I am willing to to, to say to people, I know that you may not have known what was going on in August of 2021 when the FDA and d o d were clearly in collusion with this whole bait and switch and, and you know, misrepresenting an unlicensed product as a fully licensed product. Former LTC Brad Miller: You've spoken about this, you know, a ton. But I, I, I realized there were people who did not necessarily know what was going on. Did I? I, I got all that, but right now, Right now in June of 2023, I mean, we are getting really close to to two years since that mandate went into effect. Since that initial collusion predicated entirely upon fraud was wrought. Former LTC Brad Miller: On the entire nation, you know, I mean, it's almost been two years. You cannot continue to claim ignorance at this point. If you're claiming ignorance, it's because you'll, you're, you are, you are willfully ignorant because you're afraid of what you might uncover if you look into it, which means you are a [00:26:00] coward. Former LTC Brad Miller: So that's kind of where I'm at and how I feel you know, these, I mean, you know how it is, Sam, I mean, leaders in the, in the, in the military, they are not, they're, they're, they're not dumb people, you know? So, If they don't know what's going on, it's because they are, they are willfully hiding from the information that is now readily apparent. Former LTC Brad Miller: And unfortunately, what we've seen is the military, like the kind of the senior leadership, right, has not just turned itself on the rank and file, you know, the service members, but also on the you know, on the entire country. And now we just see this, this extremely pervasive infiltration across the board of just so many of our institutions. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I mean, it's interesting that you, you're talking about the military leaders, cuz I've recently spoken to two physicians, one military, one knot, and you know, one of 'em is like, oh, well, you know, talking to me, asking me, do you even think the, the pandemic was real? And it's like, come on man. You know, of course [00:27:00] millions of people died from something. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then he, he goes into, well, if this really was gene therapy, then we'd be seeing, you know, lots of people getting cancer. It's like, dude, What reality are you living in? We are seeing lots of people getting what is now colloquially known as turbo cancer. Like that's the only words to describe it, and it describes it well. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's a supercharged cancer that that happens exceedingly fast. What reality are you living in? Because you're not seeing that. I spoke to some other physician recently and he was saying, oh yeah, well, mRNAs been around since the sixties. Okay, well, when has it been used in humans? Oh, Ebola. Okay. Well, when else has it been used in humans? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, never. And I explained how, you know, they did some covid type. Vaccines and treated sheep, I'm sorry cats and ferrets, and it killed all the cats and ferrets through antibody dependent enhancement. And this doctor was like, oh, well I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about humans. Yeah, dude, they all died. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so they never went to human studies because they all died. [00:28:00] What reality are you living in? And that seems to be the problem, is these people live in this alternative, alternative reality where they have different facts. Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah. So I, I, I view that as what we, what we see now is the, the vast majority of the population, and again, we're talking about, you know, reasonably intelligent people, right? Former LTC Brad Miller: And their worldview is entirely incomplete and just predicated on a ton of false premises. I mean, that's just exactly what it is. And part of that is due be, and In large part too, the fact that there's a lot of worldview warfare that goes on. I mean, we are constantly bombarded with shifting narratives incomplete information competing stories about this or that. Former LTC Brad Miller: Or whatever. So we largely live in a world in which we're all propagandized heavily. And it's almost, it almost creates a, and I don't want people to, to, to misinterpret what I'm saying, but it almost creates this like, alternate reality. You [00:29:00] know? I mean, we're still here living in the real world, but so much of what we believe is like engineered, it's almost, it's almost fabricated. Former LTC Brad Miller: And, and I don't want people to take that, that that. Description too far with what I'm saying. But what I mean by that is, hey, there are so many things that people may believe that are just, they're just not true. You know? And so eventually people have gotta realize, you know what I gotta start connecting these dots that are right here in front of me, and I gotta start recognizing these patterns that I see. Former LTC Brad Miller: That I have refused to see for a long time. You know, they've been there and I've refused to connect the dots and I've, I, I have refused to identify the patterns and now I'm just going to, You know, stop refusing and I'm just gonna have to do what I have to do. And I'm gonna realize that reality is much different than than what I told myself or what I believed it was for a long time. Former LTC Brad Miller: Until people are willing to do that, they're never gonna accept some of these things that are staring them in the [00:30:00] face. And so what I think is happening is when I talk about people's worldview being incomplete, what I mean is like, They, they constantly have to do these mental gymnastics in their head because what they see on the ground in front of them, right, in reality is much different than kind of what they believe. Former LTC Brad Miller: So there's a disconnect there. And they have a, they have a a difficult time accounting for that disconnect. And, and again, it goes back to, yeah, because your, your worldview is incomplete. Because whether you admit it or not, your worldview has largely been given to you by people who are. Shaping it to serve their interests, not yours. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. And I think that's, that's a good test perhaps, is if you have to do mental gymnastics to, to have two ideas in your head, then you're probably not looking at the entire facts of the case. Former LTC Brad Miller: So you know, one of the things that I I've mentioned before, right? So there's a you know, there's a [00:31:00] French thinker and philosopher Voltaire, and he's got this off repeated quote. And I, I found myself using it too recently, right? And and it basically says if they can make you believe absurdities, they can make you believe they can make you commit atrocities and. Former LTC Brad Miller: I, I think that's extremely applicable to what we've seen the last couple of years. So I mean, you know, this, they, they made so many people believe absolute absurdities that, you know, the masks work that we need to lock down, you know, and, and destroy the economy. And that remember the original forecast of just these astronomically high numbers of people that supposedly were, we were gonna lose to Covid. Former LTC Brad Miller: I mean, just these absolute absurdities. Oh, ESI works. That's another one. Right? Or or, Hey, you're gonna kill grandma. Or, Hey, you can't be with your grandparents when they're sick. And potentially, you know, at death's door. You can't be with them in their final moments, you know? And then well, what did that lead to? Former LTC Brad Miller: Well, I mean, it absolutely led to atrocities. I mean, we. [00:32:00] Treated people with Remes, remes, avir, and put them on vents. And we allowed grandparents to die alone without their family members present and we destroyed the economy. You know, we destroyed people's livelihoods. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: The Remin Vir point that I want to just make it as clear as I possibly can for the listener, it was so. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Deadly and bad when they were studying it for Ebola, that it killed more people than if they didn't use it. Ebola, it killed more than Ebola. Former LTC Brad Miller: Just, just to throw that out there. Yeah, you're exactly right. So, so again, that is a clear example of. You know them through worldview warfare, right? And just implanting this, this narrative on the public of getting people to believe absurdities that then led to atrocities. Former LTC Brad Miller: And we're still kind of in, in the midst of this, you know, atrocity, atrocities, don't have to be committed with with [00:33:00] tanks, guns, bombs, et cetera. There are there are other more sophisticated ways in which to also commit atrocities, and we just. We have to we have to realize that that's what's going on and we have to call it what it is. Former LTC Brad Miller: Right? Precisely. Yeah. So one of the, the last things that I would just kind of say here is again, I am, if, if, if I have to be honest, right? I'm, I'm very proud of myself and I don't mean that to toot my own horn but I know what you mean, Sam, because you, you can look in the mirror and know that you. Former LTC Brad Miller: Kept the faith. Right? And I congratulate you for that. You've been through extreme difficulty. You know, you and your family have endured hardship because of the stance that you took. So I congratulate you. When you look in the mirror, you can say, Hey, you know what? I did the right thing. And when I look in the mirror, I feel like that too. Former LTC Brad Miller: And that doesn't mean I'm perfect, doesn't mean I even had, you know, a a a I was always perfect in my military career. It means [00:34:00] that on this issue, I feel like I did the right thing. And in that, Narrow regard. I can say that, you know, I I kept the faith and I don't have any regrets. And I know that there are good people out there. Former LTC Brad Miller: There are peers of yours, peers of mine who are still friends of ours to this day, who are internally conflicted and they're internally conflicted about what they've been a part of because deep down, they are good people. They're good people that have found themselves on the wrong side of this issue. Former LTC Brad Miller: And to those people, I just, you know, plead to, hey. Stop being an agent of your own enslavement, because that's what this is all about. It's about power. It's about them taking power away from us and consolidating power amongst themselves at the expense of of all of us. And so stop being an agent of your own enslavement and and first and foremost, you know for those of us who, you know, men, right? Former LTC Brad Miller: I mean, I believe in this concept of being a, what I call a Christian man of action. And so again, I would look at, you know, [00:35:00] the men out there since you and I are both dudes. Hey. Be a Christian man of action. Cause I, I do believe we have a Christian duty to stand up and resist evil and protect, not ourselves, first and foremost, but protect society at large. Former LTC Brad Miller: That is a, that is a duty that falls, that is a Christian duty that falls to, to men. And it's not that just men are in this fight, but that's something specifically that I would say to, to the fellas out there. But to everybody. You know, put God first, first and and just, you know, let everything else just work itself out. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And kinda to your point, that example of, you know, and I don't know if he's Christian or not but I, I interviewed him in the past Dr. Kirk Moore. Maybe a week or two before we have this conversation. He was arrested and I believe he's in jail, and I don't know for how long it, if at worst, it's a white collar crime that he committed, allegedly, you know, by giving saline [00:36:00] allegedly giving saline instead of the the covid shots to kids, to children. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Which, you know, if that's proven in a court of law that that's what happened, then he actually saved lives and, and that's a much. Tougher decision than I think you or I did, cuz he's facing nine years in prison and hundreds and hundreds of thousand dollars, almost a million dollars in, in fines and all sorts of things. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But it's, we need men and women like this to stand up everywhere. And, and you're right that I think men have a certain mantle that's put on us that's not easy to carry. And it's that when, when there's weak men, society collapses and bad things happen. And when there's good strong Christian men then, and this is not a sexist thing, this is, we are given this mantle of. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Of hardship to be that stalwart against evil. And when we're not there, then hopefully there's women that can stand up and take that place. But, but men are charged with that. That is a, again, a, a mantle that we're, we have to carry. That's heavy. It's a heavy cross to burden to carry.[00:37:00] Former LTC Brad Miller: I completely agree. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Brad, where can we find you? Tell us again cuz I know I, I like your articles and, and they're very well written. Where can we find more of 'em? Former LTC Brad Miller: Yeah, so the easiest place is just on my sub, which again is just my name, Brad Miller. 10. So Brad Miller, one zero. Dot com so you can go there and and subscribe. Former LTC Brad Miller: And I would, I would certainly appreciate it. I appreciate, you know, any support there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you so much. We'll be praying for you and keep up the good, the good fight. Keep running the race as if to win. Former LTC Brad Miller: Hey, thanks Sam, I appreciate it. Love everything you're doing. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you. Love what you're doing too. Former LTC Brad Miller: God bless. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:38:00] Just a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I have a new Dr. Sam Sigoloff: affiliate, harvest Wright Freeze Dryers. Take a look at the link below and see if it's right for you. It's a great way to store food for you and your family up to 25 years if stored properly.

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Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right. Well, thank you for joining us again. I wanna first thank all my Patreon [00:01:00] supporters. Shell pace at the $50 level. Sam and Angela Sheey at $20 and 20 cents. We have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents. We have Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Anna, who's been a guest on this. Frank at the $10 level. We have Kevin at the Refine, not Burn, $5 at Linda Emmy, Joe Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer. And then the $1 a month tier at where courage is contagious. Amanda J Bets. Nancy Dorell. Susan BB King, who has been a guest. And Rick, I wanna thank you all very much for helping support me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's been great. You may be able to find me on Roku sometime soon and there'll be more details about that. But first I wanna introduce my guest. So, Dr. Aaron Williams is an anesthesiologist and just like me and many others in this field, we've been looking at different ways to stop this pandemic pandemic I'm supposed to say. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Oops. And he's been looking into different technologies that we haven't really looked into too [00:02:00] much. So do you mind if I call you Aaron? Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely, please. I'm not a very formal person unless I have to be so wonderful. Perfect. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So Aaron, tell us about what you've been discovering about UV technology and how it can help clean the air. Dr. Aaron Williams: Yeah, so this is kind of a technology that's been around for a really long time, at least in its earlier form. So some listeners might be familiar with having one in their HVAC system, for instance, or for people in the medical field around the operating room specifically for UV robots that will run in those ORs in between the surgical cases. Dr. Aaron Williams: That'll help disinfect the area even better at times than some of the wipes and things well. And so there's those people who might work in food processing plants or maybe in a water processing plant as well. UV disinfection has been used in those since roughly around 1906. So we've had a lot of different UV used, but the the reason why those are in your HVAC system and not in. Dr. Aaron Williams: In other places in public spaces to clean the air in real time is [00:03:00] because they will give you some high irritation sunburn and possibly skin cancer eventually. So obviously you can't bathe people in that sort of life. But, you know, when I was doing a leadership role within our health system and, you know, we ended up having a lot of extra free time because we canceled so many surgeries. Dr. Aaron Williams: I wouldn't call it free time. I was in administration. But I was looking for, you know, some sort of UV light. I said, well, maybe I can get one of those like we have in the operating rooms off Amazon or what have you, and we can use it on our office to clean things, to maybe do our masks, our N 95 s and we'll have you. Dr. Aaron Williams: And while I was looking for that, I found this thing a new UVC called Bar Uvc. That was roughly April of 2020. And since then has been a continuous journey and discovery and it's only gotten better and more ready to go since that time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Awesome. So if you want me to show some, some of the slides that you're showing, just say, you know, the slide number when you start talking. Dr. Aaron Williams: Okay. That way I can [00:04:00] probably stick, line it up afterwards. Yeah, sure. And you know, it, the thing with it is that, and the long story short, is that I think a lot of the people still in the community, and probably even within the community to a small degree anyway who were looking for alternative ways to, to treat this, are still thinking a lot about surfaces. Dr. Aaron Williams: And one of the things that was a revelation to me over this last year, Was that even the mainstream public health experts the Deans of Schools of Public Health, former heads of osha, including the longest running head of OSHA under Obama for roughly eight, nine years, Dr. David Michaels and multiple others, epidemiologists, et cetera, were writing letters to the CDC and the World Health Organization as early as I believe, June of 2020 saying, quit with the focus. Dr. Aaron Williams: On surfaces and on droplets. We know that the vast majority of this is in aerosols, like it has been other things, and that totally changes our approach. So instead of wiping everything down [00:05:00] using chemicals and, you know, hands and, you know, getting people not to touch each other, all these different things, which there's a little cross over there, but that said, the vast majority of the spread. Dr. Aaron Williams: Is occurring in the air, in indoor public spaces, and that's what they stress to them. And even last April, there was some ocean meetings. These same people, the first time they had that letter in June of 2020, there was roughly 230 signatories very prominent from the mainstream community, blasting them. Dr. Aaron Williams: And then again, in very strong language. And you know how our language gets in our medical stuff, we're very proper, you know? Right. Very professional. They were blasting them in this, you know, publication in 2020 and again in April, 2022. And they showed up to present at these OSHA hearings as well. To say the same thing. Dr. Aaron Williams: Why do we not focus on where the real problem is, which is the virus floating around in the air? And so that's what this, this. This light does is kills it in the air before and also does surfaces as well, whatever it [00:06:00] shines on before people ever breathe them in. So it's no wonder that it's working amazingly in the many installations it's already had and it would only work that way anywhere we put them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what kinda results are you seeing Where, where it's been put in place? Dr. Aaron Williams: So it's been put in place quite a few places in the summer of 2020. Okay. It was a little early maybe to go all in at that point, but yeah, it was put in a us air Force base air Force Reserve space. It was put in also in the US Army headquarters of the Pentagon. Dr. Aaron Williams: Well, that's interesting. Yes, they helped to do a little bit and, and nobody's hiding it. I know that'll be a question from listeners and, and what have you here shortly. It's not really conspiracy at all. And then that may apply to other, you know, other elements you know, within this pandemic conversation. Dr. Aaron Williams: But that said, it's really more that people don't know about this one, and some of these people have really even tried to get this out there. You know, even comments from. The military saying, you know, Hey, we need to distribute this and put this other places. [00:07:00] This is something for military readiness. Dr. Aaron Williams: This is something for bioterrorism prevention. You know, there were articles in 2003 joint from the, the docs. There's only two docs roughly who study this, like physician doctors that is one's at Harvard and one's at University of Maryland. But the one at Harvard had co-authored a paper, I believe in 2003 with some of the military likely physicians, but I didn't check about using even the old kind, shining it across the top of a room for preparedness and for bioterrorism prevention, because that actually worked quite well. Dr. Aaron Williams: That should have been done early upfront. But now this far surpasses it because it can clean the air, not just, you know, floating over, wafting over you at the top of the room. But it can also do it in real time while you're having a literal conversation back and forth with someone at a table, for instance. Dr. Aaron Williams: So when you know we've got quotes out of the military, out of the US Army headquarters of the Pentagon, we have not had a single person to person transmission since we've installed these lights. And they had all five [00:08:00] variants showed up. You know, someone came back from leave and then popped their fever on a Tuesday night. Dr. Aaron Williams: And of course the 50 to a hundred people or however many were in those, those spaces with them indoor spaces, not outdoor. That's not where we're spreading it, right? We hopefully all know that by now for the most part. But they, you know, said every single time we've tested, tested, never has anyone else turned up sick. Dr. Aaron Williams: And that's just one example. And so how does this work? So what it does is, you know, it's just a different form of energy. And so when most people, and, and I also, you know, as physicians, we're not really trained in physics much at all. Maybe you were, but I. I don't recall hearing that and I didn't have much training in that. Dr. Aaron Williams: But with it, when you talk about light, there's all different, you know, wavelengths which connotate different powers and different ability to penetrate things. And so UVC is not something that actually gets through the ozone from the sun. You get UVA and UVB causing different amounts [00:09:00] of skin cancer versus tanning versus vitamin D production and that sort of thing. Dr. Aaron Williams: And versus potentially skin cancer at some point. That said uvc, they're producing now by taking a gas. Like Mercury was the old kind and they put it in a little tube or what have you, or a bulb, and then they electrify it. And when they shake that up, then it spits out, you know, a certain wave form of light. Dr. Aaron Williams: And so whether that's purple or green or you know, your household lights putting out different parts of the spectrum, they show up different. You know, yellow versus white. Brighter white, this sort of thing. So what this does though, it's conferring energy. So just like the energy that goes into your skin to make you feel warmer or just like the energy that goes in and then can change the DNA and give you the sunburn and, and all that kind of things, and fla, inflammation, et cetera. Dr. Aaron Williams: What this does is this does the same sort of thing, but it doesn't penetrate nearly as far as UVA and uvb. And so even with the other, the older mercury. It didn't penetrate very far, but it can give you a skin, you know, [00:10:00] a good sunburn and, and what have you, and you can't pae people in it. But the new kind, what they did is they changed out the gas that they decided to shake up and electrify essentially. Dr. Aaron Williams: So when they take Krypton, little bit of chloride, but Krypton they put that in there. Now it moved the, just enough to now where it still kills all the viruses, bacteria, but it cannot physically penetrate human skin or eyes. Like at all, it has never once been able to harm the 2 22 filtered without like an offshoot wavelength that they forgot to filter out, you know, seven, eight years ago before they learned about that. Dr. Aaron Williams: Never has the 2 22 nanometers. The number is an exist, super important, but never has that been able to harm a person or an animal ever. And so with those, and going back to your earlier question about how well is it working? Well, they've had over 2000 installations plus in the last. Two and a half years, there's not been one single known transmission in those spaces since that's occurred. Dr. Aaron Williams: And not one single soli solitary side effect either. Nothing. [00:11:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. Well, how come we haven't been hearing about this more often? Dr. Aaron Williams: Well, you know, and that's an interesting question. So, you know, when we tend to like to think of things in black or white conversations, this is one that really lies in the gray. Dr. Aaron Williams: And so whether you are, you know, from the mindset that if it was important enough, we surely would've heard about it. Surely the, you know, the CDC and the other health authorities would've put this out there. If that's your mindset, then you would write it off based on that. And then you have, on the flip side, you have people who think, you know, the government or whoever will shut down anything and everything that's out there. Dr. Aaron Williams: So there's no way this could really be real. Either. And so what you've got is a very small niche of people who know about this cuz doctors don't study this. I don't recall in training or ever in conversation, and unlikely you haven't either. But I guess I'll ask if you've ever read or heard about the Photochemistry and Photobiology journals or reading nature journals as a regular, you know, and that's the, the Science Journal. Dr. Aaron Williams: But we don't read that as doctors, right? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:12:00] No, no way. I just recently learned a couple weeks ago that there are photo receptors. I think in every cell in our body. And there is a way to do photo biomodulation where you can treat people with lasers deep inside, like let's say the brain penetrating the brain with a certain wavelength through the skull. Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. That's fantastic. You know, the red light therapy and infrared therapy or those sorts of things. And it's incredible, you know, it, the fact that, you know, it's really a good point that you bring up because this was something I wasn't aware of at all before, you know, before this pandemic and before starting to look in past, what I assumed was just, you know, the best kind of medicine, the best, you know, stuff that we were trained in that was really, you know, that was where it was at. Dr. Aaron Williams: I didn't discount, per se, anything that was a nutraceutical or what have you. But I didn't think it was as good, right, as our normal stuff. So it didn't blow it off. Anything that affects the body is a drug, right? And it's anything that has an effect on the body as a drug. But I thought that our [00:13:00] stuff was kind of that real stuff. Dr. Aaron Williams: But yes, between You know, photobiomodulation using red light infr, red light therapy between, you know, using outside the body ultraviolet, ultraviolet doesn't have a purpose inside the body, at least not really. And you'd also have to go to the FDA to be able to do that sort of thing. And you know how that would be a, a mess regardless. Dr. Aaron Williams: And so yeah, it's the, the amount of health that we could better by learning about. These sorts of things, whether it be from the infectious disease standpoint, whether it be from the photobiomodulation, helping with traumatic brain injuries that sort of thing. And also just healing and energizing the cells. Dr. Aaron Williams: I mean, it works literally on cytochrome c oxidase within the mitochondria of any cell that it can reach. And so that's something that really, the new medicine, you know, as, as. People are developing kind of a new way and a new, more all inclusive model, more inclusive model to healthcare. That's one of those things that should 100% be included. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Definitely. Where [00:14:00] can we get these? Is this available for, let's say, my home? Your home? Dr. Aaron Williams: Yes, it is. You can get them. The thing though that I tell people usually is, that's usually not where you're getting things. And also the method of transmission is a little bit different. So if you were to put 'em in your house, you know, they're a bit expensive. Dr. Aaron Williams: Not for putting 'em in public places though. And the money's already been set aside, like we could put 'em in every single school in America right now with money to spare, with leftover funds from the a r p and such that are in Esser funds. They're called Esser funds. And for the schools, but for home use. Dr. Aaron Williams: To do that. So think of it as a wide angle flashlight. And so for instance, I actually bought the, one of the companies, Eden Park, the illumination out of Illinois, made the first version that is portable and could be operated with a battery. So, but if you think of it like a wide angle flashlight, so here this is very light, [00:15:00] slightly bigger than my hand. Dr. Aaron Williams: And basically all you would do for this, and you're thinking about it, like I said, as a, as a wide angle flashlight. Turn this on. A very non-intrusive hum that it makes a tiny purple glow. You might not even be able to tell, but that's not the part of the ultraviolet because you can't see this. So it doesn't bother anyone in the space, and it comes out in about a 60 degree cone as a wide angle flashlight. Dr. Aaron Williams: So if you think of it like that, so if we're in one room in a house, for instance, we're in one room and we shine it out in between everybody, essentially, that's gonna be cleaning the air in real time to the tune of, and depending on what model you've got, what power, what strength, et cetera. But the studies. Dr. Aaron Williams: It actually, when coding, you know, getting a good amount of the room, it's gonna kill roughly 99% continuously as you breathe it out. And the thing about the home though, oh, go ahead. [00:16:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wait, so I had a question about how long does the particles need to be, how long did the particles need to be exposed to that? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: To them, or destroy them or however it works? Dr. Aaron Williams: Yeah, it's basically within seconds. As much as maybe 30 seconds total. But not much more than that. And what it does is that energy gets into, and to get back to your question and answer it better, my apologies. My apologies, is that it gets into the cell cuz it can penetrate cuz it's a lot smaller and thinner than, you know, we have dead skin cells. Dr. Aaron Williams: Like multiple layers of dead skin cells, and so it can't get through that. But in those bacteria viruses, and whether that's anthrax, whether that's smallpox, whether that's any virus you can come up with the cold viruses, flu viruses, coronaviruses, every variant. It penetrates then, and then it basically will melt the dna n and r n a. Dr. Aaron Williams: Effectively, it'll increase some of the energy within some of the bonds, and then it will kind of crosslink them. So if you think of 'em, kind of [00:17:00] like a zipper you know, as we've been taught in the past to think about dna, basically what it does is it, it will glue some of those pieces together. So it's all non-functional, so it can't replicate whatsoever, and there's no real reversal. Dr. Aaron Williams: There's no There's no immunity or any resistance that can develop to this. They did a study just recently actually looking at influenza virus viruses and their sequences from like the 1980 Spanish 1918, excuse me, Spanish flu on still works within seconds, just like it always has. Never has changed a bit, so, but yeah, it only takes, you know, Roughly 30 seconds or so, and they just increased the power levels in terms of safety limits that you can give 20 times more than what you could give it, give it before this round of research basically really started kicking into gear the last three years. Dr. Aaron Williams: So you can use a lot of it, kill stuff within seconds. They, they did that study. I was referencing a study from Nature Magazine. You know, [00:18:00] the science magazine as we talked about, it was in March of 2022. They basically took a room and they filled it and they, they took one side of it and they continuously blew in staff Aureus. Dr. Aaron Williams: So for, for listeners as well, if you've heard of rsa, that's that same sort of thing. And it's a much, you know, bigger bug than is Covid or different influenza viruses. So you're talking, you know, a lot bigger. So they continuously pumped it into the room. They measured the levels of it. They turned the lights on. Dr. Aaron Williams: The first time they checked was at minute five. The numbers went from a hundred percent to less than around 1%. Wow. It was 99% gone, and then it stayed gone the entire time, despite them continuously pumping it into the room. That's how well this works. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's really interesting. Was it, were they pumping it right into the beam at first, or did it have to go all around and then eventually get to the beam? Dr. Aaron Williams: The [00:19:00] beams were, so they were coming down from the ceiling in a rectangular, I believe room, and there was five of them coming down. So they're coming down like wide angle flashlights and it's coming from something above there, so it's wafting in and around and so, and then they're checking it like just towards the other side of the room and it's gone. Dr. Aaron Williams: That's pretty amazing. Essent. Yeah. Essentially all gone and. It's, it's almost hard for people to believe that something. So what sounds kind of simple, also sounds spacey. It could work so well. I mean, it's krypton like, you know, like Superman, what have you, but it really does work this well, and it's not coming outta somebody's garage. Dr. Aaron Williams: I don't sell it. I make no money on it. In fact, I've lost, we'll just say a lot because I, you know, I, I resigned from my position over a year ago with this. The main purpose of it, to get word out there about this light. And to get people to start putting it in multiple places. And, and, and it is in many more places than I mentioned before. Dr. Aaron Williams: I mean, it's in four school districts in South [00:20:00] Carolina with great success. 331 buses, 72 schools. It's in a bus line in Cleveland and it's in multiple dentists offices, chiropractors, offices, a bunch of different spaces, some different schools with kids with special needs who also couldn't wear masks if we believed that those work. Dr. Aaron Williams: But regardless for those kids as well. Right. And It's been just amazing the entire time. But yeah, this is, it works so well. It is fully proven scientifically to be completely safe com and it works amazingly. The only question is how amazing does it work? That's why I have literally hardly worked, you know, in the last year as an anesthesiologist was weird cuz you know, I go from chairman of the department for multiple years leading up things within a hospital system. Dr. Aaron Williams: To doing this, right. But that's why, you know, and, and over time as I've studied it, as I referenced earlier, it's only gotten better. It has only gotten better and the study's more robust and the proof and the evidence more robust that the logic from the start was, [00:21:00] okay, well if we have those lights that have worked amazingly for water treatment and your hvac, whatever, but we can actually do it in real time, then. Dr. Aaron Williams: And then you can do it safely without it penetrating skin or eyes. There's no really other way that it could work other than just incredibly so, and, and, and to, to just kind of put that into perspective for people. So if you think about it, you know, you say, well, it, it works great in the hvac, or what about that little, that little you know, filter, UV combo I've got in the corner? Dr. Aaron Williams: It's really loud and it's kind of blowing what have you. But those work great. They do work great. For the air they touch and when they touch it. But if you, you have a sick person on this side of the room, and then on the other side of the room is the vent to actually have the air go out to then go and get cleaned. Dr. Aaron Williams: Everybody's gonna get exposed to a good amount before it actually gets up there to be cleaned. So that's only gonna help so much. Will it decrease the overall level in the room? Yeah, a little [00:22:00] bit. And what, what we measure that in without, you know, popping up, you know, pictures or what have you, is, is air exchanges per hour. Dr. Aaron Williams: Like if you wash the air out that had the virus in it, there's none left. And how much can you, how much can you do with that? And you know, if you get a little back mixing, so they say like one air exchange, you'll get rid of roughly 63%. And then there's 37% left per hour. So there's 37% left. Well then another air exchange per hour will take 63% of the remaining 37 and so on. Dr. Aaron Williams: So what you get with an HVAC UV device or one of the ones like in the corner is your PR in the corner of a room. For instance, you're gonna get maybe two or so air exchanges an hour. These lights. And, and CDC recommendations and what have you were somewhere in the three to six range for public spaces. Dr. Aaron Williams: That's what they beefed it up to. The lights for comparison have 184 air exchange per hour equivalent. That's how [00:23:00] quick and amazing, I mean, literally, that's at the speed of light, killing it within seconds. As you're breathing it out, this is why you have these 2000 installations and no one has ever reported a known case of transmission in those spaces. Dr. Aaron Williams: That's, it only makes sense to be honest, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: that that's actually really incredible. How far can these lights shine? How far are they effective? Dr. Aaron Williams: You know what I've been told, and I think it makes some sense. They can shine quite a ways. I mean, you can get coverage for up to. You know, 2000 square feet, depending on the power level like luminance and what have you. Dr. Aaron Williams: And it's basically until it hits something essentially. And that could be like little dust particles in the air as well. Soak up a little bit of it as it goes along, things like that. But yeah, generally you're gonna get about a thousand, 2000 square feet outta something like this, and some of them will be about 500. Dr. Aaron Williams: It also depends on where you're shining at. You know, if I take it here in my hand and shine it just four feet down to the ground with a cone that's 60 degrees. [00:24:00] I'm not getting near as much coverage. Right. So it's really just kind of getting a mental image in your mind and doing that. And, and if I step back to the home for a moment, cause I didn't answer your question fully. Dr. Aaron Williams: There at your home, you're gonna be really close to people. There's gonna be more intimate contact, you know, hugging, kissing, family members, kids, et cetera. And so you're gonna, you would have to have it in every single room in your house. Cause as soon as you moved from your living room where you had it stationed to your kitchen, then. Dr. Aaron Williams: Now, you know, yeah, you decreased your overall, but you have so many other rooms and it would get really cost prohibitive to put it in your, in your house. And that's where that would be a bigger issue. Whereas in public spaces, like it just takes care of all of it. Now, there is one caveat. I mean, I have one, but it's also more for beta testing. Dr. Aaron Williams: And so I could show people and, and that sort of thing that I bought it. But if you had one like say, you know, and you had a bunch of family coming over or you had someone who just went through chemo, And you know, they're immune suppressed and you [00:25:00] wanna put it in a main area where people can gather and come see them and don't have to worry about it. Dr. Aaron Williams: And you just be careful about all the close touching that sort of thing. And you have the extra, you know, capacity to spend, you know, a thousand dollars or what have you, which for what it does is actually an incredible bargain. But that would be the one caveat to maybe using it in your home. But otherwise, this is more really for the public places, because where people are spreading, I mean, where pandemic spread are in those public places, indoor public spaces floating in the air, not on the surfaces. Dr. Aaron Williams: And anything this does, you know, say you have these, wherever you have 'em put up whatever surfaces this light hits, it does the same thing. So it also does surfaces as well, so there's a lot less Now, it doesn't do a crack around. A corner doesn't obviate the need entirely from doing wipe downs and things. Dr. Aaron Williams: And it's not gonna go through syrup that's caked on a, you know, on a seat cushion in an airport terminal. But anything that's otherwise wiped clean this decreases that contaminant load greatly. But the air [00:26:00] is where it's most effective and incredible and needed for that matter. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So I, I see where the importance of this probably is more likely in small communities, public buildings, like you had said, so that the people in that area can kind of push their local community to have these lights installed in whatever public spaces they have. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that seem to be what, like you said, schools and buses and things like that? Is that where you're seeing this used the most? Dr. Aaron Williams: It is starting to be for sure, and I know Laredo public school districts were recently put out an R F P and with the likely result being that they were gonna put it in their schools as well. Dr. Aaron Williams: Those four school districts in South Carolina were actually Representative Clyburn, a very prominent democratic representative, longtime well respected. He his campaign actually helped. To facilitate that whole project and apparently Chicago Public Schools has some interest as well. You know, and this has been out there too. Dr. Aaron Williams: I will say to tie this [00:27:00] back into the conversation, it's been in the New York Times, it's been, you know, a year ago they had an article like, we Can Stop Super Spreader Events in New York Times. From these public health experts and the real experts on this UV light time magazine article from the Harvard physician who's been the longtime studier you know, and researcher on this. Dr. Aaron Williams: And then yeah, they've been on n NBC News three times. In 18, 20 and 22, Dr. David Brenner, the physicist at Columbia University, the namesake, you know, physiology department from Marie Curie, you know, if we recall the name from school. He's the lead of that department. He's been one of the main researchers really developing this along with the companies, and he was on there multiple times as well. Dr. Aaron Williams: It really does need to be getting back to that, that. Point it does need to be in those public spaces, getting the community to sit out there and do it. Because right now it's really just getting the knowledge out to them and then getting 'em to understand it and also getting 'em understand that, number one, it's real. Dr. Aaron Williams: Number two, it's available. And like in mass [00:28:00] production, that's kind of just waiting for more demand to really get out there. And number three, in most of these spaces we're talking about, not at the home, but in most of these public spaces, we're talking about money that's already laid aside. And these a r P funds. Dr. Aaron Williams: So schools, if you get into this, dig into this, learn about it, you don't even have to learn that much. You don't have to be on a physicist level. You just have to understand it works and it's safe and it's incredible and we need to put it in everywhere. And then you can go to your school boards or what have you. Dr. Aaron Williams: All they have to do is use the money they already have. There's complaint articles if you loo, look and, you know, do a, you know, a, a duck duck go search or what have you, Google search, whatever. And you'll find a lot of people in different communities complaining at their school boards for not using all this money that's allocated. Dr. Aaron Williams: What are you gonna do with all this money that's there? It's literally, there's billions of dollars in virtually every state, depending on the size. But there is more than enough to put it in, in every single one of these schools. All they have to do is access it. And for, for For churches as well. Dr. Aaron Williams: Churches [00:29:00] don't get the money directly. It's not as easy. But this has been something where a lot of people, you know, elderly people and stuff are not going, not even getting back into the church because of their fears of getting covid or, or what have you. And this would open that back up. But they do actually apply as non-profits and things under the a r p funds. Dr. Aaron Williams: They just have to get the money through. A local like city or county government or the state government. So they just have to kind of apply for the money to come through to them and just work with their local representatives. There's at least five or 600 within about four states along the coast in the Carolinas, up through Virginia DC I believe that are all in the active process of getting funding to put these in. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think that's great that, I mean, I think it's terrible that so many churches and so many people are afraid to go to church. So many churches have clothes down and people are afraid to go. People are still wearing, like, you know, there's that one family at church who wears a mask. You can see 'em kind of over there. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But this might be a way to help. [00:30:00] People be encouraged to go back to church, to be around other people, cuz that's so important for humans. You know, that's, that's part of this unseen realm battle is that let's isolate, let's segregate, let's, you know, put people in their own little silos so that they don't know what other people are thinking. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's easier to do when you're not physically near people. When you're near people, it's easy. Hey Jim. Hey Bob. Hey Martha. You know, I mean, it's easy to, to talk to people and then get connected and build relationships, but Satan wants to destroy all that. With fear, and this seems like it's a great way to help alleviate fears. Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. There's no doubt. I mean, if I didn't have such a strong conviction, I mean, I definitely wouldn't have, you know, totally turned my life upside down to do this and you know, to bring people back together again. You know, you think about it from that, from that just human perspective as well. Think of how many people were dying in our ICUs in places alone. Dr. Aaron Williams: Couldn't be around their family. They might have been, you know, 14 days out from having, you [00:31:00] know, from being first ill with covid and well known to not be infectious anymore. Yet they still couldn't have their loved ones come in and be with them. And you know, that's really when I, I don't think about this really for the hospitals as backwards as that sounds because we're used to also as physicians thinking about treatments. Dr. Aaron Williams: But the real goal of, of all of our health and of public health policy stated is prevention. So that is the literal goal. And so this is something that actually does that. And so putting it in the community before you ever get there, not wasting, you know, a lot of time honestly, trying to, to convince a bunch of physicians on a hospital board about how great this is. Dr. Aaron Williams: Unfortunately, you know, and I don't say this in a, in a, in a mean way, but if it didn't come from the cdc, Or if they didn't see it on the tv, it's not real for one reason or another. And it doesn't matter if it came out of Columbia University. Boeing Aerospace engineers that have been working on this since 2015, they have a whole UV team.[00:32:00] Dr. Aaron Williams: They put it in their, their, they have one plane, an echo demonstrator where they show all their top technology. In 2019, they had it on their Echo demonstrator plane, and again, last year in 2022. They headed out in the, the Gales where people congregate when they're getting ready to use the restrooms and the, and the the airline attendants are, and that sort of thing. Dr. Aaron Williams: And also in the laboratories themselves, they don't really need 'em in the seats. Contrary to public belief, when people think they're getting sick on the plane, they're getting sick actually in the lines for security. And in the terminals there's about 30 to 45 air exchanges per hour in each of those seats. Dr. Aaron Williams: And in the laboratories, not on surfaces. But that air in there is roughly around 60. You can't hardly get anyone else sick in those spaces. But I mean, this came from like full science, full tech. It's got everything that it needs to have. And getting those put into hospitals is too much of a problem. Dr. Aaron Williams: I really, the places where I push it, to be honest, in that realm. Or for, say, [00:33:00] pediatric bone marrow transplant units, cancer wards, things like that. That's where you'd get really a lot of high impact. I mean, our, our system had started up, you know, a, a covid hospital. No one, we had zero transmissions at our hospital settings at that hospital or at our regular hospitals for at least a year and a half into that. Dr. Aaron Williams: Into Covid. So really that's not where the spread's happening, it's really happening in those public spaces. And so whether it's those churches and getting 'em back in there, or just letting people know, like this is kind of how, as, as hyperbolic as it sounds, that this is how you stop respiratory pandemics. Dr. Aaron Williams: This is fully how you stop them. And, and you'd say, well, that seems kind of outlandish. And it really does, unless you think about it for a minute. The reason we don't have water-based pandemics now in the us the reason why you don't talk about not being able to drink the water, right? Oh don't wash your, you know, your lettuce with the water. Dr. Aaron Williams: Make sure you do something else before. The reason why we do that is because we actually. [00:34:00] Sterilize, you know, using the term sterilize loosely, but basically we disinfect that'd be a better, better rough term without getting into fda. 99.99 definitions and what have you. Basically, we disinfect that water. Dr. Aaron Williams: So we went from a society that had typhoid fever as the GI equivalent of covid and long covid. It was cyclical. It was endemic. It would go through the communities wreak havoc and your water supply, and this is how they judged the water supply a little over a hundred years ago. Your water supply was good if only 25 out of every 100,000 people in your community died every year from typhoid fever. Dr. Aaron Williams: Wow. 25 out of a hundred thousand died from it. So you can tell how many more thousand. Got it. Right. And then they've got the leftover, the long you know, we'll say the long typhoid, which was kind of like dysentery and all these bowel problems and, and all the, these issues that were going on afterwards. Dr. Aaron Williams: But it was considered good water if that, and also for a more tangible space, if they measured your water and put it under [00:35:00] a microscope. Circa 1900, 19 0 5 plus sounds like ancient history, but it's important to this discussion. If you had one milliliter and they counted up all the bacteria in it, if you had less than a hundred per one milliliter, it was considered quality water, 99 bacteria per milliliter. Dr. Aaron Williams: You were good to go. Because all they did was filter it, but they didn't disinfect it yet. So you can only do so much through filtration processes. That was way better than it was before. That said, it was far from being able to tackle the problem. That same thing applies to air filtration and or cleaning it after it leaves the room, but rather than disinfecting it in real time. Dr. Aaron Williams: So people thought it was crazy which is really odd. Right. It was really odd because the background story to this, back to the days of like, you know snow taking off the well pump, you know, in, in London for the, the cholera or whatever epidemic was there in like the 1840s was they would go down the streets, [00:36:00] spraying down everything with chlorine during one of these huge outbreaks of cholera that was killing tons of people. Dr. Aaron Williams: Tons of people. And, and when that would happen, you know, people in New York when cholera was coming over on the boats with people, 200,000 out of 450,000 fled the city. Nearly 50% fled the city because of how bad it was. So they'd go out there and these cities and they'd spray the streets down. Dr. Aaron Williams: Everything done with chlorine. They would use chlorine in their houses to wipe everything down, all of the surfaces, all these different things. Babies would drink high concentrations, drink high concentrations of it when they got diarrhea, illnesses. So a doc, one doc, and I didn't know this till I was gonna include it in a talk. Dr. Aaron Williams: I'm like, well, if we disinfect, you know, our water, I mean, that's why we don't get sick, you know? But before I put it in a presentation, I was like, let me look up the background, you know, does it really apply as well as I think it does. In fact, it applied better than I thought, and a book written called the Chlorine Revolution. Dr. Aaron Williams: Was written in the [00:37:00] last 10 years or so by a engineer with like Waterworks Association, et cetera, talking about the history of that. So we have this assumption as a society that anytime there's some great advance that automatically the public finds out and they're like, oh, this is amazing, and it just gets implemented automatically. Dr. Aaron Williams: In fact, the opposite is usually true. And in our profession, you know, in, in the medical profession, one that's more specific to us is the thing that's called the Simis reaction, or the Simis reflex, which I didn't know was a thing. But back in the 1840s when Simis, a physician in Austria somewhere, basically said, okay, why are you know 15 to 18% of our women dying from child bed fever after we deliver their babies in these hospitals? Dr. Aaron Williams: And over here in the midwives, There's only like 4% dying. And he looks at it himself and his med students, and they say, well, he's like, well, we're going to the infected cadavers over here, putting our hands into infected cadavers, and then walking over and putting our hands [00:38:00] into the birth canal of the living moms. Dr. Aaron Williams: And he says, maybe there's something there, whether it's humorous, whether it's whatever. Let's just end between those two spaces. Let's just wash our hands with some chlorine water. So they do that and immediately 15% down to like 1%, which was better than anywhere else at the time. Clear cut evidence and consistent, and it stayed that way. Dr. Aaron Williams: You know, you think about that graph that I was telling you about, you know, five minutes later, 99%, and then it stays down. That same sort of process. Well, he presented it. Told the docs, but they got offended because they said, well, you're not saying that we are the cause of all this death and disease. No, they brushed it off. Dr. Aaron Williams: He ended up in a mental asylum and died there. Later on, some years later, five years later, after he got, you know, progressively angrier, I don't know that he was fully psychotic. There's some different backstory to whatever. But he was presenting, trying to put this out in books and the medical community for over 20 years. Dr. Aaron Williams: Didn't want to wash hands. In order to prevent the spread of disease, [00:39:00] and the same thing happened then not as bad with this water disinfection conversation where one doc and one engineer. We're basically like, well, we're ha we're using chlorine. We know it works. I use it under my microscope. You know, this time when doctors did their own tests under their own microscopes and they're, you know, their physician scientists, and he's like, well, if I just even put a little bit in here, that works great. Dr. Aaron Williams: So why don't we design a system for this, those Jersey city in that area, and do that? Well, the heads of m i t fought him in court, fought them in court. In 19 0 8, 19 0 9, it's a big saga. And they tried to, what, what are you gonna do? Like long-term effects, et cetera, et cetera. We don't know what it'll do. Dr. Aaron Williams: They're like, well, I know what it does right now. It kills all those 99 bacteria per milliliter. You thought were okay. And our people are going through these cycles of dis of death. And when cholera comes to town, lots of death. They have full cholera cemeteries on the East coast, like cholera cemeteries only. Dr. Aaron Williams: [00:40:00] And so, A little different discussion now with, with some of our amount of medical care, but you'd still have that. So we've kind of not really grasped how good it is just to do disinfection of like the three main vehicles, hands, water, and then air in these public places. You put it in there, wherever you put these pandemics won't be able to spread. Dr. Aaron Williams: It'll be like GI diseases are now. So we have about 300 cases roughly per year of typhoid fever that come into the us. They might spread to some people that they might make the meal for the next day or so, so you might get an outbreak of 15 people, but it's very easy to trace and track and then it goes away quickly. Dr. Aaron Williams: Same thing with cholera. About five cases get to come in per year. They don't get to spread anywhere because they can't take that bacteria, toss it into the water supply, and then everyone else gets sent out to them and put it in. Think about that in terms of someone coming off a plane from China, wherever they got it from, or you know, they were studying some melting ice somewhere and got a primordial [00:41:00] virus that we're being warned about, you know recently in the news. Dr. Aaron Williams: That's a new thing apparently they're telling us about. So regardless they come over. They're covered in the airplanes. They're covered in the airport terminal. They're covered in the grocery store. When they go get groceries before they go back to their friends or relative's house, the only place they can spread it to relieves those relatives, but then those relatives can't spread it anywhere else. Dr. Aaron Williams: So that same sort of concept applies. It does. It is a little harder when you're just speaking about it. You really have to kind of visualize this. But really there's not any other way that this can really work. It's just wherever you decide to put them, that's where you're gonna stop the transmission. Dr. Aaron Williams: So flu sick days at work, sick days at school, all of that, that school district I was telling you about, from putting 'em in three of those four school districts, from putting 'em into. Those 331 buses in those four districts, within the first 60 days, they saw a 30% increase in their attendance just from putting 'em in the buses. Dr. Aaron Williams: And so, you know, as I do, as a medical and scientific professional, there's a lot of variables in there [00:42:00] that said 30% when other districts are having increases of their, you know absenteeism is a clear indicator that it's a large part of. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: 30% is huge. And before we get going too much further, your talk about chlorine. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I want to have the listener go back and look at episode 79 at the time of recording. It's not published yet, but by the time it comes out, it'll be out episode 79 where I talk to Dr. Manuel Apricio and he talks about chlorine dioxide and how that can help prevent illness, treat illness, treat various. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Conditions. So please go back, take a look at that one. Dr. Aaron Williams: Oh yeah, that's a fantastic subject that I look forward to delving into more, so I'll have to check that out as well. See how there's, I do, there's, Dr. Sam Sigoloff: go ahead. I do need to give the quick disclaimer that I'm not suggesting using it for treatment. The FDA would not like me to do that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This is only for educational purposes. You get it. Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. And you know, and the good thing here about this slide, [00:43:00] right? A lot of people are like, is this approved? How does this kind of work? Well, yeah, it's been approved for some time. It's approved through the EPA as a disinfection device rather than as a treatment device. Dr. Aaron Williams: You know, some people say, well, can you drop it down? Well, theoretically we could put it onto a wand and whatnot if they could make it you know, make the probes thin enough. That said, that's an FDA approval. It's a totally different thing. Prevention is key. Prevention is where we stop the spread of all these things. Dr. Aaron Williams: And so wherever these viruses come from, whatever labs or bats or raccoon dogs or monkeys or whatever it is, if it's not something sexually transmitted and it's something that's circling in the air, that's where we can put these. So the epa, it's already done, there's two committees, mainly two organizations. Dr. Aaron Williams: One is the A C G I H. Like industrial hygienics organization. And then the other one is the ansi, which is a nsi, the American National Standards Institute. Those are kind of like the stamps for what is a safe amount of. X, Y, or Z to [00:44:00] use in a public space. So whether that's, you know, a chemical cleaner, whether that's UV light, a different kind of UV light, a laser, different lasers for applications, medical or otherwise, these are the people to do it well before, and the numbers and whatever aren't, you know, super important. Dr. Aaron Williams: But like I said, I referenced briefly earlier, so before they had a theoretical model for how much of this you could use, which was like 23 millijoules per centimeter squared. But either way, just 23. Through all these studies that were specially done over the last three years. They, you know, went back to them, the researchers, Columbia, et cetera, went back and said, Hey, we need to be moving this up because we could get even better coverage. Dr. Aaron Williams: Then it was with that lower level, it was still roughly 92% continuous, which is way better than. Anything else in a space. But now that's why it's closer to 99 because they did approve it for going from 23 to 4 79. They literally said, not only is it safe, but it's so safe. [00:45:00] You can use 20 times more of it. Dr. Aaron Williams: So this is more than approved. It's out of big institutions and there's nothing really like again, it's not like some entrepreneurs out of their garage, somebody with some new snake oil to sell you, but in the form of a light. It's fully proven and it's, it, it is fully ready to go. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's incredible. I, I wanna thank you for, for sharing so much information with us today. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Where can people in their local community, and maybe you can send me a link and I can put it down below, where they can find this company that makes these and they can talk to their local community about getting it in certain areas, let's say schools or, you know, wherever they feel is appropriate. Dr. Aaron Williams: Absolutely. You know, there's a, there's some of the different websites for the actual manufacturers and what have you. They can look at Columbia University's website. If they look up Columbia University, far Dash, like not near but far, cuz it's just farther down the spectrum of the light. [00:46:00] You know, 2 22, whatever far uvc, far uvc, Columbia University, Dr. Dr. Aaron Williams: David Brenner, b r e. And then er, so you can find some things there. You can also find things just doing a general web search. Some of the companies Care two 20 two.com. Buso is a big lighting manufacturer. They do medical lasers, they do all kinds of things. They've been one of the primary developers of this along with Eden Park. Dr. Aaron Williams: The product that I showed you earlier, Eden Park Elimination out of Illinois. So if you look up Eden park.com, that is theirs. There's some other companies that are really active in putting it out there. One is called us. UV Clean, not clean, but dirty us uv clean.com. And they were the ones who installed a bunch of them down in South Carolina and multiple other places. Dr. Aaron Williams: And I think they've done some shows, but I don't know if they've been published with Discovery Channel with Voice of America Radio. And some others. So those are some places. And then one other is, and again, I don't get paid for anything, but I did set this website up last year so people didn't have to, I didn't have [00:47:00] to depend on people listening for 45 minutes to get them from knowing nothing to being like, why don't we have this everywhere? Dr. Aaron Williams: And so I put this website krypton lights.com, so K R Y P T O N. lights.com and I have a fair amount of information. I have links you could figure out how much money is left in your state right now, which is still a lot at last check under these esser funds to be able to put them in schools. I have some information there. Dr. Aaron Williams: I also probably at some point here, and if people send me an email, which you can send an email on the site, I have a three page. Like more of a scientific paper, but it was set up to go to the school districts. That might be helpful as well cuz it gives it to 'em in layman's terms, but also gives 'em the backing. Dr. Aaron Williams: It shows 'em that, you know, the CDC and World Health have even supported this for TB control in the past. It took 'em about 40 years too long to get there. That said, they finally did, and that's out in 2009. Recommendations that still last to this day from the CDC about using the old kind, the upper room uv. Dr. Aaron Williams: They kind of just shine above your head and get the airs at was for TV control. So [00:48:00] that's there. I may have that put up there at some point if they reach out to me, I can definitely send that to them as well. And that'll be another resource. But I hope to also maybe just take my. My full talk and break it up into some parts and start to put those videos on there as well because it is kind of hard to wrap your head around and, you know, for a lot of people it's also, it's an uncomfortable thought to think that for at least the last two years it's pretty well been ready to go for two years, but especially the last year, year and a half, it's really, really been ready to go that we could have had this and stopped a lot of this death and destruction and, and problems and seen their loved ones. Dr. Aaron Williams: Gone to church, all of these things for so long. So it's a little hard for people to grasp, you know? But. I can tell you every question you have can be answered well any of your listeners and you know, we can help them put it in. I'd be happy to help. As a reference, I, I'll even speak to school boards and things remotely. Dr. Aaron Williams: Whatever we need to do to get it done, this needs to happen. The kids have lost so many days in [00:49:00] school. They say the learning loss from the US Surgeon General and unicef, you know, the losses are, you know, incalculable. For what's happened to our kids. And so it's only a matter of time. We're told before the next, you know, scary virus comes out and then we theoretically have to shut down, have to, but people would argue to shut down again. Dr. Aaron Williams: Right? With this smallpox could be roaming. School would be your safe space if you have the lights in. That's what this looks like. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's revolutionary. It's. I mean, smallpox, it would take it out. Polio, take it out where, you know, back in the, you know, fifties and fifties at least kids would get polio during the summer and here now school would be the safe place that, that's interesting. Dr. Aaron Williams: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. I, I mean, it's, it's revolutionary and, and I appreciate you bringing me on to, to speak about it and be happy to, you know, provide whatever else your listeners and and help facilitate cuz it needs to happen, it needed to happen a year ago or so. I try not to get too [00:50:00] impatient and too frustrated with timing and, you know, wait for the Discovery Channel thing to come out to try to push that places from these companies. Dr. Aaron Williams: And there is the first ever Congress, international Congress on far U V C science and technology happening at Columbia this summer. Because they realize too these researchers, developers, these companies, they all realize that it needs to be out there. And they're trying to figure out how do we get this to break through? Dr. Aaron Williams: We've even put our strongly worded emphasis in, in all these scientific journals, they've said things on the New York Times and Time Magazine and n NBC and they've had little spots on Fox Business, et cetera. But how do you get it to really getting that public consciousness to where then they start demanding it and then we really actually get it done. Dr. Aaron Williams: And that's, that's what they're you know, working more towards as they continue to still study it more. But yeah, it's fully operational and yeah. Again, I appreciate you having me on here to speak about it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, this is a great way where we take the power back. We don't, we, we remove the ability for someone to say, oh, we're gonna shut you down for two weeks to flatten the United States. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, flatten the [00:51:00] country. I mean, flatten the curve is what they were saying, the curve. And now we don't need to be. Slaves to that we can say no, we have better technology. And these are actually safer places because of these lights. Dr. Aaron Williams: A hundred percent. It's basically a pandemic free zone. I mean, somebody can come in sick, but the spread is what characterizes a pandemic. Dr. Aaron Williams: You know, a virus in a bat or a virus in a lab somewhere isn't a pandemic until it spreads. So this is what it does, is this stops the spread in the air in public places where it spreads. And it's as simple as that. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, Dr. Williams, thank you so much for coming on. I truly appreciate it. Dr. Aaron Williams: Likewise. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just reminder for everyone out there due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:52:00]

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And certainly unpaired vital organs like the heart of the whole liver. There's no way to get those organs unless they get them from a living person. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, well thank you for joining me again. I first wanna. Start off by saying thank you to all of my [00:01:00] Patreon supporters. I've got shell pace at the $50 level. At the 20 $20 level. I've got Sam and Angela Sheey at the pandemic reprimand level at $17 and 76. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Ty, Charles Tin, Foyle Stanley, Dr. Anna, who is a guest on this show, Frank, and we have a new one. Brian. Thank you Brian. At the self-made $10 level, we have Kevin at the Refine Not Burned $5 tier. There's Linda Emmy, Joe Patton, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, and at the courageous contagious $1 level. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Amanda j Spits, nasty Drell. Susan BB King, who is a guest on this show. And Rick, thank you so much for all of your support. I greatly appreciate any monetary support, any prayers, any donations that the gifts, and go. Today I have a very special guest, Dr. Paul Burn. Dr. Paul Byrne is a pioneer in neonatology. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He helped develop. The ventilation system for when we intubate children. He helped develop that, that we're still using today in 1963 is when he helped develop that. Sir, thank you [00:02:00] so much for coming on with us. Dr. Paul Byrne: Thank you for inviting me. It, it's honor to be with you and yes I was instrumental in helping develop the ventilator, but the, the other thing I did that can be of interest to to you and your listeners is that I, I worked with the engineers from the astronaut program and we, we took the the blood pressure cuff from the finger of the astronaut and moved it up to the arm, the premature, and we were the ones that invented a method to take blood pressure on premature babies. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so I started in 63. I would say that we didn't really make good progress until about 1970 when I started in 63. Every baby, three pounds and four ounces that had trouble with. With breathing died, it was a hundred percent [00:03:00] mortality. And, and of course now many auto, many of those babies now survive the ventilator's. Dr. Paul Byrne: Interesting because it had to be very precise and very sensitive to function on the two pound baby. So once it was invented for the two pound baby it was shown to be effective at really at all ages and stages of eventually or so. Able to help people who who, who get in touch with me that have difficulties with breathing and the ventilator and the like, and it's it's almost like my the back of my hand that that I have a grasp on that use of the ventilator. Dr. Paul Byrne: Anyway, it was it, it was a, a time when I wasn't the only one. Obviously there were multiple people in the world realizing how important it was to de develop ways to treat prematurely born babies. [00:04:00] So we started at Cardinal Glennon Hospital. The significant is, is that we were the ones that, that identified the need in parental nutrition for babies, the need for magnesium, the need for zinc and and, and so and the need for copper. Dr. Paul Byrne: So those those elements are in the in, in parental nutrition really at all ages and stages. But if you can imagine that what would, what it was like to ha have tiny little babies and measure every bit of intake and output and, and every bit of urine, every bit of stool. Dr. Paul Byrne: But we, we did all that in, in the Development of the care of premature babies. And then what happened in my life is that Joseph was born and he came under my care. His mother always insisted that he could not have been any more than 20 [00:05:00] weeks gestation. He was on, on a ventilator for several weeks. Dr. Paul Byrne: And he wouldn't do anything. He wouldn't move when we would try to stimulate him. He wouldn't attempt to breathe at all. And so a brainwave test was done and they. Brainwave. The e EEG was interpreted as consistent with cerebral death. So that, that's what's written on his chart. So I asked the neurologist yeah, what is this? Dr. Paul Byrne: Death on, on Joseph's chart. Obviously D Joseph was not dead. And he said, well, just get another one. And we did in two days. It was unchanged from the previous one. So now I ask him, well, what do we do now? He said, well, in some places they turn off the ventilator. I said, well, I don't do that. I said, I treat babies. Dr. Paul Byrne: Some live, some die. I continue to treat Joseph. He did get off the ventilator. Later when he went to school, he got good grades. He ran track, he played [00:06:00] baseball. Eventually he married, but because of Joseph. I, I began to investigate this matter of brain death. Now, I have to tell you that I didn't start immediately, but by the time Joseph got to be a few months old and at home and e even though his EEGs were always so so terrible, I had a hard time even looking at them because they they were so abnormal, but he was doing okay. Dr. Paul Byrne: So, so we continued to treat him, but then it was a matter of what is this thing about brain death? And I think that those In the medical field, or at least the objective medical field that had been paying attention to what's gone going on with Covid. It was in some ways a similar kind of thing as to what would, how it happened [00:07:00] with brain death. Dr. Paul Byrne: The, the same as Covid came along, and then there were a lot of people saying we should do things. Well, what happened in brain death is that the, they did a heart transplant in South Africa. Dr. Christian Bernard did a heart transplant December the first, 1967. And there was a lot of notoriety throughout the world. Dr. Paul Byrne: Heart transplant done successfully. Well, how about the second heart transplant? It was done three days later in Brooklyn, New York. And what they did is they cut the beating heart out of a three day old baby who had a problem with his brain and transplanted it into an 18 day old baby who had a problem with his heart. Dr. Paul Byrne: And at the end of those procedures, both babies were dead and, and it was illegal. It was immoral. And so how did they solve the problem? They set up a, a [00:08:00] committee at Harvard. You know, they, they solved the problem with the committee. They, they didn't do, like, sometimes we would think that happens in medicine, that there's some investigation done on dogs or cats or rats or whatever. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then information gathered on a few number of patients. What they did is they set up a committee and the committee invented brain death. They titled the article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, a definition of irreversible, irreversible coma. We can't. But when you're in coma, you're not dead. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and yet that's, that's how it started. And then they said, well why did they have to have this? And they said, well, if they don't have it, they won't be able to get organs for transplantation. And, and they wrote that in there. They also said that they if you continue to treat patients, the intensive [00:09:00] care units will get crowded. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and of course I can tell you, I know something about intensive care units getting crowded in the sense that when I started at Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital, I had an eight, eight bed unit. And by the time I left there, about 20 years later, we had a 55 bed unit. So that when we got more patients to take care of, we found more ways to take care of them when we get. Dr. Paul Byrne: Got the first ventilator functioning. We then had to get the second one also, and we did like that and worked that way. But what that, that the Harvard Committee said they had to have this so especially to get organs for transplantation. Well, if you look at that article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, 1968, they didn't do any studies on dogs or cats [00:10:00] or rats. Dr. Paul Byrne: They didn't collect any patient data. They have only one reference to it. And that reference was to an allocution by Pope Pius Iih. And they quoted only one part of Pope Pi Pius Iih. But they ignored the the paragraph that said that that pop said We are to pr presume that human life continues as long as vital functions are present, even when supported by artificial means. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and so that was the only reference. But then they went on and, and started to use this thing for brain death to get organs. And that was in 68. And the next significant article that was published was in 1971, and it became known as the Minnesota Criteria. And, and if you look at that article and you, you look at it, it says a study of 25 patients, and [00:11:00] then you go r read it, and they did e, e, g on only nine. Dr. Paul Byrne: Nine of the 25. So it really wasn't a study on 25. It was a study on nine. And then if you look at that, two of the nine still had e EEG activity. And then the conclusion of the article was no longer is it required to do brainwave testing before you make a declaration of brain death. Then with, with that E U G was essentially stricken it. Dr. Paul Byrne: It still gets done a lot of times. But there the requirement of it certainly is not there in the Minnesota criteria, and it really wasn't there in the Harvard criteria either. And so many people think that brain death means flat brainwaves when in fact they aren't even required to do brainwave testing. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so, so you see up until now, we, we don't have basic science studies. We, we, we don't ha have studies on [00:12:00] patients that would be acceptable for a, any other kind of scientific advancement. So then the largest study that's in the literature was was done and it was a report on 500 patients. And of those five, 500, the first thing is that 44 of them did not die. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then those who did, did die they did autopsy on the brain in about half of them, 225 and 10% had no pathology in the brain. Now. And so that's the science behind brain death. There is no science that's, that would be acceptable, but you see what, what it is while they're, they're and we heard a lot of in the covid thing about data and science and all that stuff in some ways when I would hear those things, I knew what happened in brain death. Dr. Paul Byrne: And it was very [00:13:00] similar that, that they, they claim science, but it really wasn't science. I'm not even sure it was pseudoscience in brain death. And they ju just invented it to get organs for for transplantation. And then when you talk about, you know, get getting organs for transplantation, and incidentally, there's really no science that in brain death that's of significance except what I've just told you. Dr. Paul Byrne: But when, you know, talk about organs for transplantation they have to be healthy organs and people know what a cadaver is. And you don't have to be a super genius to know you probably aren't going to get much for transplantation from a cadaver from a dead body. And what happens in. Dr. Paul Byrne: In the life of all of us, we we get that first driver's license and then we continue to [00:14:00] get the driver's license re, re renewed. And they asked the question, do you want to be an organ donor? And when I gave, gave a talk a few years a few weeks ago one of the young men 15 years old says, well in driver's ed, I had somebody come in and tell us the, the, the advance, the the the use of organ transplants and the benefits of organ transplants. Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, they didn't tell anybody that they didn't tell them. And when people ask that question, they're not given any information about organ transplantation. But every organ that's translated. Is a healthy organ. And where do you get healthy organs? You get them from living persons. And, and and so when people say yes to being an organ donor, they have no idea. Dr. Paul Byrne: They they, they have some idea that says, well, if I'm dead, so what, take my organs, that [00:15:00] kind of thing. And those kind of thoughts are there, but then it is important and it's essential that they learn what this is all about. And every time a heart transplant is done the the procedure begins, the chest is is open. Dr. Paul Byrne: Not unlike every kind of heart heart operation that they do, but the chest is wide open. They do what's necessary to identify the blood vessels and to get them prepared to put them in some someone else. And then the transplant surgeon stops the beating heart. The transplant surgeon then cuts out that heart was just beating and puts it into someone else. Dr. Paul Byrne: There's no way you can get a heart for transplant unless this is what happens to the donor. The donor has has to be killed. It has to be murder cuz it's not legal and yet it's accepted [00:16:00] to be done and so certainly unpaired vital organs like the heart or the whole liver. There's no way to get those organs unless they get them from a living person. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and when you get into organ transplants, they do talk about living donors, but they don't do them quite so much as they used to where they take. A a kidney one of two kidneys, or they take a part of the liver and transplanted o ob obviously any of us that know anything about the operations on the abdomen and the liver and what, how what it's like, know that it's not a, a simple procedure to to get that liver out and then transplant part of it to someone else. Dr. Paul Byrne: But all, all of these things have to do with organ transplantation and they, the people have to know that there's essentially [00:17:00] no way that you can get an organ for transplantation from a cadaver. And the large maj majority of organs for transplantation come after the declaration of brain death. Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, what's the decoration of brain death all about? Well, it's it's basically amounts to looking at three parts of the brain that is, whether the person doesn't respond is one of the ways and no response. They say it means coma, but. That's really not me. What it means, it means no response. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then they call it unconscious, but it's not necessarily a lack of consciousness. It's a lack of response. And then they do they look at brainstem reflexes and they brainstem reflexes that they look out. Lookout are primarily those that have to do with the eye, the ear, the cough, [00:18:00] the gag. Dr. Paul Byrne: So they, the, they shine a light light in the eye to see if the pupil responds. They check for a blink. They put ice water in the ear to see if there's movement of the eye, and then check for cough or dag so that they. Evaluate five or six of the 14 brainstem reflexes. And then the the third part of declaration of brain death ha has to do with what is called an apnea test, but it's not. Dr. Paul Byrne: Simply a test. It's a procedure, a test. You know, if if we're gonna get a blood test, we go in and some somebody they put a tonic on her arm and take the blood for test. If we're gonna get a chest x-ray, we go to a place where they do chest x-rays. We we put our shoulders up. They say, take a deep breath and hold it. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then they make the image. So it's, it's all [00:19:00] done in a very simple way. But that's not what happens in the in the apnea test. It's a procedure where they take a patient who is on a ventilator, their life is being supported by a ventilator and. They, they do things like make sure about that. Dr. Paul Byrne: They get high amounts of oxygen. They do blood gases. They take away the ventilator. They make observations on the patient and, and and they take away the ventilator for 10 minutes. The patient's on the ventilator getting a breath every five seconds, seconds or so, 20 times a minute, and they take it away. Dr. Paul Byrne: They take it away and, and then wa watch the patient and they sometimes the their blood pressure will go down. Sometimes their the, the heart will even stop. And they the apnea test [00:20:00] is a test where even if they, they, they do things like give extra oxygen. What happens in the apnea test? Dr. Paul Byrne: They, they. Accumulate carbon dioxide. So the carbon dioxide goes up. It doesn't go up in a little bit. Normally healthy people, they keep their carbon dioxide pretty much be, be between 25 and 45 at the very most. That kind of thing, the extremes of it. I, I, I should say 35 to 45, you know plus or minus five from 40. Dr. Paul Byrne: What do they do in the procedure of the apnea test? They make, they, the carbon dioxide go to 60. Go to 60 and, and they, they and e everybody who knows much about intracranial pressure knows that if you hyperventilate, you give extra breasts, the carbon, the [00:21:00] intracranial pressure goes down. When the carbon dioxide increases, who would think that the intracranial pressure would do anything except go up? Dr. Paul Byrne: And if you're already in Al Al already dealing with a patient that has something wrong with the brain, the question is, will that stimulus have the same effect as it would be if somebody was healthy? And, and then why would they want to do this? And the current patient then that, that, that I'm helping and is, is, is a a, a young man who overdosed on alcohol and was treated in an emergency room well with a ventilator for 24 hours, and then was sent home. Dr. Paul Byrne: Whoever heard of doing such a thing sent, sent him home after getting off the ventilator in, in 24 hours. And what do you think happened at home In about another 24 hours, he quit breathing again. So then he, [00:22:00] he gets in the system and, and you have, have to know that his organs are worth between one and $5 million to the transplant industry. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and and of course they have designated requesters who get get the permission to to take the organs and and, and and so all of that falls into place and they said, well, they never asked for organs and until they do that procedure of the apnea test or the evaluation for. Dr. Paul Byrne: Brain death, but everybody on the team knows what all of that's all about, no matter what anybody is saying to the relatives or not saying to to the relatives. And so what happened with this with, with this boy, is they, they did their evaluation for for brain death. And it include, [00:23:00] put ice water in the air. Dr. Paul Byrne: Incidentally I'm a, a swimmer, so get water in my ear every now and then. And when it goes in there, even ordinary swimming pool water feels very cold under those circumstances. So you can just about imagine what putting ice water in the areas. Well, what happened was this boy had some movement of his eye. Dr. Paul Byrne: One of the doctors saw a nystagmus, and, and so when do I get involved? When they want to do another test for evaluating brain brain function when in fact he, he was just critically ill and, and he needs to get treated. He doesn't need another test. And so what does the Academy of Neurology say? Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, if you get a, any kind of response, it's okay to do another one. And so the, the, the test gets repeated until eventually they don't get a response, and then they [00:24:00] can declare somebody brain dead. Everybody who's declared brain dead is a living person. Brain death has nothing to do with, with death. In fact, the matter is it's brainwashing. Dr. Paul Byrne: You give somebody two nouns like brain and like death, and the mind goes toward the more serious, the more critical kind of thing. And so brain, brain death is is brainwashing. Everybody who's called Brain Dead has a. Beating heart circulation re respiration. They digest food. They put out urine. Dr. Paul Byrne: And actually a study at Johns Hopkins University in 10 patients with the declaration of Brain death in all 10 of them when they cut them to take take their heart for transplant and all 10 of them, the heart rate went up and the blood pressure went up. Now, would that happen in a cadaver? Dr. Paul Byrne: No way. And so these things are going on. [00:25:00] It's it's big business. The it, it's big business. And and, and 48 billion was billed in 2020 for organ transplants, of which $6 billion went to doctors. Do you have any thoughts or questions?[00:26:00] Dr. Paul Byrne: That, that's it, it is. And and all, all of those things that, that sorry about that. That all of those things that you and I have said are, are accurate and and the people need to know about him, but how do they find out about it? And then just speaking of your, your of, of your own self if, if you said [00:27:00] yes on your ever, that's, is on your record. Dr. Paul Byrne: You can go back and, and And get it taken off or not put it on the next time. But the studies have shown that unless you have a document of refusal, they can still find that out someplace and say, well, at one time he wanted to give organs. And obviously in, in the condition he's in those around him can speak for him. Dr. Paul Byrne: He's a a kind person, a generous person, and, and and, and so under these circumstances, because he already said he, he that kind of thing. And that's what, what what what goes on. And so incidentally, the laws that are involved here are the Uniform determination of Death Act in the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act, and the. Dr. Paul Byrne: Uniform Anatomical Gift Act spells out that, that if you don't want to be an organ donor, [00:28:00] you have to have a document of refusal. And there are very few places that give you a way to have a document of, of refusal. We do send out Cards when we're contacted at life guardian foundation.org we ha we have cards that, that people can sign. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and they're, they're very important because they, they sign them and they, they say, what's the first thing it says? It says, I wanna be treated and then I want everything done to protect and preserve my life. And don't do anything to hasen my death or shorten my life and don't do an apnea test. Dr. Paul Byrne: That apnea test that I told you about, it's an awful test. No one should ever have an apnea test and everybody needs to know, say, no, no, no to the apnea test. Everybody has to know that. And so, so, and, and no to organ transplantation. [00:29:00] Then the card also GI gives away that you can designate someone to speak for you and, and designate the first person to second person. Dr. Paul Byrne: But that is, is is so important, Sam, because e everybody who gets to the age of majority, which in most places is 18 before that they look to the parents for for permission to do things and not in like the young boy that I'm telling you told you about, they look to the parents, but then once they get to be 18, that's not what happens. Dr. Paul Byrne: So the patients that I deal with sometimes the mother will be in Texas. The young man, 19 years old gets in, in, involved in an accident in California, and by the time she gets there, they've already gone to court. To get someone to speak for that boy. And, and, and it, it's re really something [00:30:00] what happens in the legal system of, of this Miranda Lawson in Virginia, a two year old girl who choked on popcorn and, and she had six siblings, but in the court they would not allow her mother or her father noon because obviously there must be something wrong with the mother and father lets her two year old child choke on popcorn and one wouldn't let any of the brothers or sisters brothers or sister to to Desi be the guardian to designate to speak for her. Dr. Paul Byrne: So what did the court do? The court appointed and. An attorney, you, a 30 year old nice lady. But in, in the courtroom, the judge would look for her about making making decisions for man Miranda, not her father who was there and not her brothers or sister who was there. And when that happens you it, it's, it's just shuttering to see [00:31:00] what the system is. Dr. Paul Byrne: So you have to learn about the system. We've learned a lot about the the system with Covid and we, we keep learning it. Because, and. And they basically showed that they can control us by making us all stay in our house for a, a period of time. But also they, they did things like, like hasten the production of that in injection and did not do studies to safeguard the used use of it and then mandated that some places they had to get that. Dr. Paul Byrne: I mean I, I go to the For cardiac rehab, they wouldn't let me go in for cardiac rehab during that time. And then and so I get taken off the list and eventually when they start to lift things, they say, well, you don't qualify anymore. And cuz they have another rule. And then eventually I get back in [00:32:00] and, and and you have to wear a mask to go in. Dr. Paul Byrne: Well, it isn't too long that you look around in the. People on the exercise machine don't have the mask on. The nurse will have it on in such a way that it's her nose is exposed that kind of thing. And then you go in one day and says You don't need a mask anymore. And that goes on for a month or two months or whatever it is. Dr. Paul Byrne: You go in one day and now you need a mask again. And then when I, even now, even though we don't wear the mask anymore, I, I go past the water fountain and it has a big sign on it saying don't drink this for whatever way. And it all comes from Covid. They haven't taken the sign down yet, you know, and that's in the, and of course the medi medical system. Dr. Paul Byrne: We learned a lot about it from the covid, but I already know a lot about it because I've been following these things about [00:33:00] brain death and or organ transplants and for a, a number of years. And And the desires of human beings sometimes are the ones that that take effect. And then they, they do things like, like in 19 68, 19 70, when that was going on, where were the doctors? Dr. Paul Byrne: And of course, I can ask that same question because I was a doctor at that time. But what was I doing? I was trying to find better ways to take care of babies. And, and I trusted the neurologist. I thought the neurologist would be good doctors and would, but and then when I started to study in 1975, I found out the neurologist and the doctors who were involved, and they all weren't neurologists, but the doctors who were n. Dr. Paul Byrne: In involved didn't do their job. And it wasn't just a neurologist who didn't do their job, [00:34:00] the theologian didn't do their job, and the neurologist and theologians still don't do their job. And, and and you know, cuz their, the first thing that they should be doing is protecting and preserving the life of the person. Dr. Paul Byrne: And the theologian is the same way, should be tuned into protecting and preserving the life of that person. But, Where, where are they? Yes, there are some of us that are doing our best, but but we are not chairman of departments. We're not governors, we're not presidents. We're not senators. And, and and, and then they, while they did the thing with with with the medical world and in, in brain death, they took over the medical world by getting doctors to accept that someone was dead while their heart was beating and they had circulation respiration [00:35:00] digest food, put out urine. Dr. Paul Byrne: Somebody's they were dead. It was dumb. It was stupid. And what did the doctors do? They accepted it. And what do they do now? They still accept it. They, they accept it. And so the doctors are there. Where, where are the doctors? Where are the theologians? And then what happens? The law gets involved. And then what happens? Dr. Paul Byrne: The legislators get involved. And, and, and these things con continue. A a, a patient in Nevada, Aiden Hallu a 20 year old girl who developed abdominal pain, goes to the emergency room and they decide that she might have appendicitis. So they do exploratory laparotomy. They don't find appendicitis, they don't find anything. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and she never woke up. She never woke up. Was nothing wrong with her. She never woke [00:36:00] up. Her father was clever enough that when he got on on the scene, he immediately went to court and got to be the guardian. If, if he hadn't done that who knows what would happen, but he did it. So he was the guardian. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then they and Mark on the the declaration of brain death. And, and what happened? They did e e g recording three times on her and every time she had e e g activity. But then, They decide, decided that that wasn't relevant and they could declare her brain dead anyway. And, and, and so, so yes, we get involved and yes, it does get appealed to the Supreme Court in Nevada. Dr. Paul Byrne: And yes, it was a seven to nothing unanimous Supreme Court ruling that they couldn't be convinced that it was the Academy of Neurology guidelines versus the[00:37:00] Harvard criteria or some other thing. They sent it back to the lower court. Well, Before the lower court could get involved again, Aiden, Hulu did die. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and and so then what happened in Nevada, the legislators got involved and made it. So the things that were in, in question with Aiden Hulu won't happen again. They made it so you don't have to ask the relatives to get permission to do that apnea test. They, they made it so that the only criteria are the Academy of Neurology guidelines, which to point out some of them, they don't require that you do test for hypothalamus. Dr. Paul Byrne: They they say if there is this thing called some reaction, you just can do it again. And they, they don't tell you that. They, they just say it can be repeated. And so and then in Nevada, they put into the law that if any of the relatives [00:38:00] bring up questions about this, the, the relatives may be responsible for all medical and legal financial. Dr. Paul Byrne: Consequences of that. And so they made it. So the system is that you, you cannot speak up. And, and there's an attempt to get these kinds of things for all states. They, the u Uniform Law Commission in Chicago has been looking at these the, these things that have happened in the court and they want to revise the Uniform Determination of Death Act. Dr. Paul Byrne: The uniform determination of death ought not be revised. It should be repealed, and it should be replaced with a law that will protect and preserve the life of the person. So what do they want to want to do with the law? The first thing about the Brain death law, it, it now the Uniform Determination of Death Act, it says, [00:39:00] Irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem. Dr. Paul Byrne: So what do they wanna make that from? They just wanna make it, that it, it's a coma, not those brainstem reflexes. And, and that Apnea test and that's all. And, but you see the, the, the people think that it is the current law cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem, when in fact it's not. Dr. Paul Byrne: That's how we were able to do something with the cases with Aidan Ou and Israel Stinson and Aria Cha Gabardi and, and point out, while the law says cessation of all functions of the entire brain, they don't evaluate mu much less anything whether they know that all functions. So pointing that out. Dr. Paul Byrne: So now what do they want to do? They wanna revise the law so that the only functions that are relevant [00:40:00] are those three that I just told you about. And then what's in the law now is it says irreversible cessation and they want to change irreversible to. Permanent and what permanent means that, that they don't do anything to change it. Dr. Paul Byrne: If somebody stops breathing or their heart stops, they deliberately do not resuscitate. And that, that's what permanent means versus irreversible. Irreversible is a misleading word in itself because you really only know irreversible in relation to the rev reverse, the reversible, the, when it is reversible, it's that kind of thing. Dr. Paul Byrne: It's not empiric, you know US doctors, we can observe an absence of function. We can observe des de destruction, but we cannot observe irreversibility we can learn some things about it. [00:41:00] But you see, it's, it's, again, brainwashing because the way it works is what, when somebody is dead, when death has occurred, the brain doesn't, the brain is destroyed and. Dr. Paul Byrne: And lots of things are destroyed and they don't function and they won't ever function again. But if you go the other way and observe only the absence of function, the absence of the response of pupil in the eye are whatever tests that you do, you observe. Only that they don't even know if the brain is destroyed, much less that the person is dead. Dr. Paul Byrne: So they, they, these kinds of things are already deficiencies in the law. And incidentally, we have written about those. We have an article in a journal of the American Medical Association. We we have an article in the Gonzaga Law Review that's 85 pages, has 244 footnotes and references to it. So we. Dr. Paul Byrne: We, we [00:42:00] have done all that. And who knows who pays attention to us? And it, it, it's important, but for right now, it's important that you and I talk to each other and the listeners out there must learn that brain death is not death. Brain death means you're alive. And, and what can you do about it? The first thing you have to do is protect yourself and, and and say no to the apnea. Dr. Paul Byrne: Test. Protect yourself and get a document of refusal and know that at the license Bureau you, you Yeah, you, you say no to that and then you not need to know how they're changing the law and making it worse making it even less strict. Is there something as, is there a law that would protect the life of the person? Dr. Paul Byrne: And I would say yes. We have a model's statute. The, [00:43:00] the first thing is this, the, the statute is written in the negative. It, it says, no one shall be declared dead unless there is destruction of the circulatory and respiratory systems and the entire brain. And actually, I really think instead of entire brain, it should be nervous system. Dr. Paul Byrne: Now, why system that. The basic unit of biology is the cell and groups of cells make up tissues and groups of cells and tissues make up organs and and groups of organs and tissues put together to carry out function. Those are called systems. There are three vital systems. The circulatory system, the respiratory system, and the brain and all, all of them are necessary. Dr. Paul Byrne: We can substitute for one or the other, but when you put the law to protect the person, you put it in the negative and say, no one shall be declared [00:44:00] dead unless there's destruction of the circulatory and respiratory systems and the entire brain that will protect. The life of the person. And if, if you, if we go back to protecting the life of the person, which is what it was when I learned medicine. Dr. Paul Byrne: And it is it, it is in lots of places in the world but in the laws in the United States, in the medical system that life is not being protected and it's not being protected for who knows what reason. But I can tell you that it's a big. Business. The organ transplant business is a big business. Dr. Paul Byrne: 48 billion was billed in 2020, of which 6 billion went to doctors and doctors or such. You know, you know, they do things in this organ taking things. They said, well, the doctor who's treating [00:45:00] can't, can't have anything to do with organ transplantation. How stupid that is. Does somebody think that doctors, who are the treating doctors as opposed to the doctors who take organs, that they don't have coffee together? Dr. Paul Byrne: That they don't play golf together? I mean, what, what is this that they've put things in to I suppose to think that you can fool the people. But the fact of the matter is there's a lot of people that, that can understand the difference between life and death. And you can take a seven year old and take them into an intensive care unit where somebody's on a ventilator, they have normal color of their skin, and they can see on the aScope above the he head, I guess they don't call it a psdo scope anymore, but on the scope, scope above their head you can see beep, beep, beep. Dr. Paul Byrne: The nurse comes in and takes blood pressure. They can look at the the, the urine collecting in the bag [00:46:00] and, and ask them, is that alive or dead? And any seven year old can tell the difference. And yet we live in a system where they play, pretend, and they're willing to play, pretend so they can get what's immediate like organs for transplant. Dr. Paul Byrne: I really think if they hadn't gone this route of getting of, of taking organs from people who weren't dead, an artificial heart would have been invented already. It would've been invented. It's been, there's been some that ha have been used for short periods of time, but there's the, the need for an artificial heart isn't there when you can get a heart from somebody who's not dead. Dr. Paul Byrne: And there are some things that are interesting Sam, about those that heart or the liver or whatever it is the it's identified. Each one of us has [00:47:00] d n A and our dna N is specific and it identifies every cell of our body. It identifies every organ of our body. And incidentally, that d n a that we used to, I identi that to ha have that kind of a biochemical I identity of ourself that's there in the first cell. Dr. Paul Byrne: Already at conception that that that person can be identified. And then at conception, nothing is a added. They, the, there's cell division, there's now growth and development. All that happens without e, you know, even before implantation. So it's built in already there at conception in the first cell. Dr. Paul Byrne: And that d n a that's there at ud, an unrepeatable in each and every one of us that's in the [00:48:00] heart, that's taken for transplantation. And when that heart is taken for transplantation and that heart belongs to that person, if you would just put it in another person, it would be rejected because our, our bodies are ma made so that we reject organs from other people. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so there's much done to make for anti-rejection things and the recipients of the organs. And I'll get more to that, but I want to talk about the DNA n a of that heart, that that identifies the heart from the patient that they take it from. That never changes. And the recipient, it's still the d n a of the re of the one that they took it from in, in that heart. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so the identity is, is, is still there? They, they I, I, I lost one train of thought there [00:49:00] because I got off into this one. It's when, when you try to do too many things at one time it's not always good, especially for us men. I, I think women learned how to do more things at, at the same time than we we do. Dr. Paul Byrne: But in any event the, the, I go ahead. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You were gonna mention oh, is it the the de the rejection medications, Dr. Paul Byrne: Oh, yes. Oh, oh. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The re, re re rejection, you see our body is made to reject the organ from anybody else cannot do that, except God does it all the time. Dr. Paul Byrne: Every time a mother is pregnant, she does not reject her baby. The rejection medicine is the the rejection is interfered with in pregnancy. God stops it during pregnancy, and then as soon as the baby is [00:50:00] delivered, her mother's immune mechanisms were right back there. Now, many people I can identify how immune mechanisms are different during pregnancy and, and that ki kind of thing. Dr. Paul Byrne: So you have to be careful with the as careful as the lady who's pregnant to not get exposed to different things. And because the immune mechanisms are different and that gets interfered with incidentally, The, the, the, there's a early pregnancy factor that can be identified already when there's just two cells to and so that anti that interference with the rejection is probably there right away. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, and studies have been done in human beings and, and to identify an early pregnancy factor to identify that the that, that the mother's pregnant, that there's a baby there, al already ear early [00:51:00] on even before implantation. So, and and, and some of those things. There, there are some other things that are in, in interesting that get involved, that, that come out of the transplant industry. Dr. Paul Byrne: One of the things is, is that when a mother is pregnant, some of the baby's cells get into the mother, and that, that, that's called chimerism in that. Ca came out of the transplant industry because they would make a slice of the liver of a of a, a, a woman who had carried a boy baby. And periodically you could see male cells. Dr. Paul Byrne: And the male cells have been found in multiple places in the body. Nobody knows what they do. Female cells are also identified, but the they are, are not so easily distinguished as they are a male cell [00:52:00] in, in terms of the the mother's female body kind of thing. But it comes out of that and, and, and more and more things come out of it in, in, in science. Dr. Paul Byrne: What what we really do is verify what God has already done. That's what good science does. And, and yes doctors ha ha, ha have to be scientists, but we also have to have an art to medicine and we all, we need to identify with the specialness of the gifts of a physician. That, that we get intelligence and we and, and we study and, and then we have the privilege of helping somebody who is, is sick and, and we, we aren't simply scientists, but where the science is used, it has to be good science. Dr. Paul Byrne: And, [00:53:00] and and, and many times the science in medicine is wanting to, to basically start with, because each person is unique and unrepeatable. We're not like gun rats where they all look exactly alike and you can do tests on them. Each person is different. So, so the scientific setup is not, not good. Dr. Paul Byrne: And then when you bypass whatever it is that we try to do to protect the person, like they did with, with the the covid injection, it's it's just shameful how whatever science there is in medicine may they get around it to to make happen what they want to make happen. And, and, and what did I get today? Dr. Paul Byrne: And and article about Gardasil, Gardasil and the Covid vaccine and how it's altering the essentially the immune mechanisms in other parts of, [00:54:00] of cellular makeup. And, and and, and you know, the gardas is. Been been around for a while now, and they, they it, it, it's an immunization against against human papillomavirus, and it's just shameful. Dr. Paul Byrne: And they give it to, to all the young people, and they don't teach them. You know it, it, you know, sexual activity is between a man and a woman, and ideally after they're married. And if it's just between one man and one woman, there's no disease, none. You don't need an an immunization. You just need to know what the truth is and then live according to that. Dr. Paul Byrne: Now, I don't wanna sound like a goody good cuz not that but, but I do want to say that we have an obligation to under, to find the truth and stand for it and educate the other [00:55:00] people and. And we can't get along with things so easily as the ordinary person. So in any, in any event brain death is not death. Dr. Paul Byrne: There is a difference between life and death. In during life. There's living substance, and the living substance is a unity of the physical and spiritual. And the event at the end of life is called death. And then, which have left after that are the dead remains. The remains without the life, the remains without. Dr. Paul Byrne: The soul and that remains, gets manifest as destruction, disintegration, corruption, but it's cl clearly different. And, and when somebody is, is ha having circulation and respiration and digesting food to say their dead is stupid. [00:56:00] And so, so, and. How they did it, I'm not sure. It doesn't make any sense to me. Dr. Paul Byrne: I was a doctor in 68. I didn't start until 75 to get interested, and then it took me about two years to understand the language such that I could at least de discuss it. And so I, I wouldn't try to imply that everything is is so easy, but the problem that we have is that, that the big money. Is in organ transplants and people see somebody who has received a heart or a kidney or a liver or whatever it is, and they're doing well, so they think everything is okay. Dr. Paul Byrne: They don't realize that, that when someone gets an organ for transplantation, they exchange one set of problems for another set of, of problems when, when [00:57:00] in fact, like if you just take kidney transplant and I don't want to take anything against say anything against what, how sick somebody is or what they need. Dr. Paul Byrne: But one of my friends who got sick and got dialysis and he went, went there and had another man ask him, were you new here? And, and anyway, the man said he had been. On dialysis for 35 years. Another one said for 40 years. So it, it, it isn't that, that there aren't things that can be done. And if you go the moral way, at least in my own experience, by doing what I've done in the development of neo neonatology and ways to to treat infants. Dr. Paul Byrne: If you go the moral way, you make. Progress much faster than if you go the immoral way. And so I, I would encourage that, that people learn the truth and know the truth, stand for the truth, [00:58:00] and, and they, they model statute that I told you about, that's what the, the Uniformed Law Commission should do. Dr. Paul Byrne: They should reject the Uniform determination of Death Act and they should get the model statute that says no one shall be declared dead unless there is destruction of the circulatory and respiratory systems and the entire brain. And that's the direction we should go in. Sam, do you have any comments, questions? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, I'm just standing here in shock from still from when you gave the, the story of Joseph, and that was in 1975. So he potentially has grandchildren now. That would not be here his whole entire lineage. You know, I would not be here if you, let's say if he would've been entered into that heart study and his heart would've take been taken out and given to some other little boy. Dr. Paul Byrne: Absolutely. And and, and and [00:59:00] so, so it's that, that kind of thing. And we can look back on things and put them together as you've just done there. But really we have to make decisions in terms of what we have today. And, and yes, we do know a lot more about life and we do know a lot more about supporting life and, and. Dr. Paul Byrne: And and so to say that when somebody can't defend themselves, it's all right to call them dead while they still have a beating heart circulation. That's wrong. And we have serious things going on in our society. And, and so all of us have to pray a lot, do the very best we can in terms of our own our own lives, our own family, our own friends, our own neighbors, our own people who listen to this program.[01:00:00] Dr. Paul Byrne: They, they need to know that brain death is not death. Brain death is a lie. It's a lie to get. Organs for transplantation. And of course they'll say, oh, no, no, it's not for that at all. It's, it's because of whatever they'll come up with. The, the, the main reason that they declare brain death is to get organs for transplantation. Dr. Paul Byrne: And I don't mean to sound unconcerned about somebody who's very sick with a failing liver or failing heart or whatever it is. I'm concerned about them too. But I want to have a way to develop treatments that protect and preserve life and don't take advantage of the unresponsive person on a ventilator. Dr. Paul Byrne: How shameful this 15 year old boy I'm telling you about how shameful to be to be trying to declare him dead when in fact, They should be doing everything they can to help him and the [01:01:00] doctors know what to do. But you see, the driving force is to get organs so they, they quickly stop doing what they know to do so they can get organs for transplantation. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What we've seen in, in our history of this country is that they're after dis their, our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers and principalities of darkness in the unseen realm, and that they're trying to destroy our future by, with abortion, they, they've been trying to destroy the current future that the children who are alive now with this transgender movement, they've been destroying the, the elder population with this covid movement and now this, this battle of, of killing people and taking their organs and giving them people that, that need them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: This has been going on for such a long time and I had no idea that this was going on. And I want to thank you so much for bringing this to light cuz this is so supremely important for, for the layperson to understand, like, don't ever do an apnea test that would kill anybody, that would cause significant issues for anybody. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you were in that [01:02:00] situation, if you were paralyzed, unable to breathe in, they'd just turn your vent off. I mean, it just, that's what it is. They're just turning your vent off like you're injured. We as the medical community are supposed to be here to help. Preserve life, but yet we're keep taking it time and time again. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And every time we go deeper into this little rabbit hole of protecting life, it seems like we're not doing that. We're doing the exact opposite. Dr. Paul Byrne: Incidentally, brain death is not about stopping a ventilator. It's about continuing it until it's more convenient to get the to get the recipient of the organ recipient lined up. Dr. Paul Byrne: And so they declare them dead, but then they keep, keep them on the ventilator until they can get everything lined up so that they can when they do take the organs, they can get them into somebody else quickly. So it's about, you know about continuing a ventilator, not stopping it.[01:03:00] Dr. Paul Byrne: Yeah. Okay. Now the other thing, Sam, I. I hope that, I hope this helps you in in, in I, I surely hope that it doesn't cause you any grief. And if I can do anything to help other people or who knows, maybe you and I might talk again sometime. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. Thank you so much for coming on. I truly appreciate it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you for your time, Dr. Paul Byrne: Sam. Happy to know you. I'll send you that article. Thank you. I think I have your email address. I, I, I know I do. I I will send you that article that I just got today. I think it could be important for you. I didn't want to send it before the, our interview cuz I didn't want to make it look too much that it was the article I did mention the Gardasil, but I'll send you that. Dr. Paul Byrne: Thank you. I get off here. All right. 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Developed a tunnel find back in 2009, and when they found out that we might have access to Raytheon bringing their Lidar system into Egypt, they went nuts. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The real search in Egypt, their real hunt is for the Atlantian Hall of records. Because the Egyptian pyramids were not built by ancient Egyptians, they were built by fleeing atlantians. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to After Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, for he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not [00:01:00] represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or unapproved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time. Of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff . Dr. Sam Sigoloff: All right, well thank you for joining us again today. I first wanna give a shout out and a thank you to all my Patreon supporters. 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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: If you're able to pray, please give us all the prayers that you can. My next guest today, I'm very honored to introduce Dr. Tom Lawson. He's a PhD in clinical psychology, psychiatry. And look, he's done quite a few things in his life. He's been an air traffic controller, but he's got a special personal interest. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And sir, if you'd like to, to explain some of that, Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: well let me see if I can offer an overview. I have I went back late in life for a PhD. Because I'm interested in human consciousness and ever since I was 20 years old, I was in the Air Force for four years active duty. And I went to the University of Berlin when I was about 20 years old and I saw a statue of Nefertiti and it just blew something. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Just drew me to Egypt. [00:03:00] And then I began researching because I, when I was in col I was an undergraduate, I was in college and I learned hypnosis and accidentally hypnosis. And a friend of mine wanted me to hypnotize and I hypnotize him without knowing anything about it. Zero training. And can you even take this for what it's worth? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I'm not asking you to believe it. He started talking about a lifetime before in France and he spoke perfect idiomatic French. Perfect. And we were in France at every Air Force base. I was raised Roman Catholic. I didn't have a clue. I thought you were a frog in a previous life. I hyt 109 other people, 108 told me they lived before. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I said, wait a minute. Everything I've ever learned is incomplete. Then I started doing research in other areas and yeah, I became an air traffic controller for the F faa. I was an air traffic controller in the airports and eventually I became [00:04:00] a reserve into Losser in the Navy. And I was in a Navy for 24 years. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I retired in nine in 2006 when I turned 60. I'm 77 now. But to, I became very involved surreptitiously with a group of people that are the ultimate insiders on the great pyramid in the sinks. And if you'd like me to talk about that or you want me to give an overview, most people have no clue. Like I didn't. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: They just think that the pyramid, there's 8 million people a year at least go to the pyramids, and most people think they're tombs. There's 138 pyramids, nine major pyramids. There has never been a body, a tomb, a pharaoh, a mummy, anybody ever found in any pyramid. But the official line is that the pyramids were built as tombs. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: [00:05:00] Well, what conventional Egyptologists will never tell you is that there are 62 royal tombs located in the Valley of Kings, about 500 miles south of the Giza Plateau of Cairo. The Giza Plateau is the three pyramids in the swings. It sits out on a scarp just west of Cairo. And the Nile River 10,000 years ago used to be there. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So in my own research and my reading over many, many, many years, what I discovered was that there are anomalies that the conventional exoteric means open the standard line. And you know, as an intel officer, you're taught disinformation and propaganda. And I also learned that doing therapy as a clinical psychologist is that people will tell [00:06:00] you what they need to tell you even though they don't believe it. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And I, to give you an example of it, one time I was doing some marital therapy with a couple and she was very overbearing and I said to him that a husband. Do you feel your wife is overbearing? And he says, no. So that gives you the body language. He shakes, he nods his head and says, no. Well, if you don't think that doesn't work in politics. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I lived in Washington, DC for eight years and I found Terry Truman was telling the truth when he said, if you want a friend in DC, get a dog. So if I may, let me go back to the pyramids. Most people, when they've taken the Egypt, they're taken by standard, conventional tour guides and they say, here it is. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Here's where [00:07:00] CFU was buried. Here's where Karey was buried. Here's what, where Manura was buried. The problem is they weren't buried there. Nobody was buried there. So the question then arises why were they built? And I suggest to you, And I, I, we won't have time to go into it today if you'd like to have me back on and I can do my presentation, which I've given to various groups. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: It's a bunch of slides, but a picture's worth a thousand words. And as an intel officer and also as an f FAA or traffic controller, I had access to a possible Raytheon's litter, laser, infrared detection and ranging system that was brand new. Developed a tunnel find back in 2009. And I contacted certain people and when they found out that we might have access to Raytheon bringing their LIDAR [00:08:00] system into Egypt, They went nuts. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So I was coordinating with the Dr. Michael Johnson of Raytheon to try to get them in there because the real search in Egypt of the insiders, and I'll describe the two major insiders. The, the two most notable Egyptologists of the last hundred years since 1933 is Dr. Mark Lerner and Dr. Zahi, both of them, one of them publicly. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Mark Lerner has publicly stated and written a book on it before he discovered his reputation was be destroyed if he kept onto this position. But Dr. Zahi secretly, and I have the emails to prove it, the real hunt is for the Atlantian Hall of records because. The Egyptian pyramids [00:09:00] were not built by ancient Egyptians. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: They were built by fleeing atlantians. Now you say that's crazy. Where's the evidence for that? Let me offer you some evidence. There are multiple maps and the ancient world, and I'll mention a couple of them. One of the maps is by a Turkish admiral drawn in 1513 ab. His name was Piri, which means Admiral PII Reese. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He was beheaded in 1549. He was a young guy. He drew a map of the western part of South America and of the northwest part of Antarctica with no ice. So there's a guy named Professor Charles Hapgood. Who wrote a book in 1953, I think, called The Path [00:10:00] of the Polls, and the guy who wrote the introduction to that book was none other than Albert Einstein. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And the theme of the book was there have been three polar shifts in the last hundred thousand years with the last one being in 10,940 bc, give or take a cir, give or take a few years. There's another map called the Oran PHAs Map, published in 1533. That is all of Antarctica with no ice. Now here's what's interesting. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: When people like Dr. Mark Lerner and Dr. Zahi Watts, they claim that the Egyptians no atlantians, no aliens, nobody else built the pyramids. Well, The problem with that is professor Charles Hak of the University of King, New Hampshire, [00:11:00] he found this map when he was doing research and the Library of Congress that was a gift from the Turkish Naval Naval admiralty, and it, and he wrote notes on the side of it, and it says, this map I drew from ancient source maps, 20 of them, at least in the Turkish admiralty. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Well, what's interesting is this, there are lines of longitude on that map. The problem with this is in 1513 in order, and we lived on our catamaran, we were gonna sail around the world. Phil Navy called me back on active duty. But what happened was the lines of longitude demand a chronometer, and they demand five seconds a month in order to find lines of longitude. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Well, here's the problem. There were no kilometers till 1780 till William Harrison invented the chronometer. But [00:12:00] what's really interesting is this, they sent this map to the US Air Force's H strategic reconnaissance swing of B 52 base at Westover Air Force Base. And on July the eighth, 1960, there was a letter written by Colonel William Olden Byer, who was the olden Meer, who was the executive officer. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And he said, we have no idea how this map could have been made. All we can say we're intrigued by it an an article with no ice, and it couldn't have been drawn any earlier than 4,000 BC. Now, The Egyptologist claim, the pyramids were built in 26 50, between 3026 50, and on this map, the zero degree line of longitude ran [00:13:00] directly through the Great Pyramid. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, if you look at the Great Pyramid, it is an exact replica of the Northern Hemisphere of the Earth. And I mean, exact, the only thing more accurate than the Great Pyramids measurements is satellite imaging. And that didn't, that didn't happen until like the seventies or the eighties. But let me give you a little background on the Great Pyramid. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The Great Pyramid does not have four sides. It has eight sides. I won't go into all the reasons, but they're very technical. They're contained in a book like this. This is a great book. It's called Thought Architect of the Universe, and it has really good information on the Great pyramid. And I'll mention one other book that I highly recommend. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: [00:14:00] This was written by English linguist named Peter Laier called The Great Pyramid Decoded. So when we look at the Great Pyramids technical specs, if you take that pyramid, let's just say, here's my phone. Let's just say this is square. And you took a piece of string and you ran it all the way around the pyramid. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And then you stretch that piece of string out. It is exactly one 10000000th the distance around this equator of the earth. And then if you take the height, which is 481 feet, The great if you take a string and drop that from the missing capstone to the base of the pyramid, it is exactly one 10000000th of the distance from the North Pole to the center of the earth. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, furthermore, the great pyramid has some really, I mean, I can talk to you for hours on a great pyramid's [00:15:00] measurements, but let me give you a couple of them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When you said from from the center of the earth, do you mean to the core or do you mean from the North Pole to the equator? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Core to the core. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Okay. It has all kinds of other information in for example, the, the frequency of Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: the earth is called what's it called? It's not, it's a harmonic, the Shumin frequency, and I think the frequency is 2.83 hertz. Well, what's interesting is if you look at every major site, ancient site in the earth, Machu Picchu and the Andes to Great Pyramid, Easter Island, and also going to Indonesia, not koala lump, I can't remember where that ancient it's the ancient Ang Wat [00:16:00] all of them are on this harmonic. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So the ancients understood these harmonics that drive the earth. Let me, let me go back, if I may for a minute to the great pyramid itself. The great pyramid is 2,300,000 blocks. Some of the blocks in the great pyramid of the original casing stones are on the equivalent of. Glasses, opticians, glasses accurate to within a thousandth of an inch. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The, the, there was a, when the alma moon and the Mormon, the, the Muslims ripped off the casing stones of the great pyramid in order to build the mosques and buildings. In Cairo, there was a, a remnant, it's called a Tali slope. It's all the pieces that broke down and covered up about 15 or [00:17:00] 20 remaining casing stones. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: These are 51 degrees, 51 seconds. Very important mathematically, but I don't have time to go into that. However, what is interesting is when you look at these blocks together, there is virtually no cracks. They are perfectly sealed, and the mortar is stronger. Then the stone, the limestone, the turro limestone, which was mined east of there itself. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: These are perfectly formed blocks. Now let me offer you another piece, which I sent you a video about 20 years ago. I was at a friend of mine's house. He was a f fa air traffic controller also, and he had just built a house outside of Washington, DC and his daughter was in a a geo polymer engineering school at Drexel [00:18:00] University five year program. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Michael Barum. Tommy said his name was Tommy Van, and his daughter's name was Kelly. He says, Tom, I know you're interested in the great pyramid, but I gotta tell you this Kelly Senior advisor of Dr. Michael Barum wants her to do her fifth year senior thesis. On the blocks in the great pyramid, not being carved, but being cast synthetic. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I sent you an hour long presentation that he made to a Geopolymer conference, and he shows absolutely that you can't tell in the inner core, but many of the blocks were synthetic. Let's go higher in the pyramid, in the so-called kings chamber, and I've been in the Kings chamber. It has granite blocks and granite [00:19:00] lentils in the top. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: These are 50 to 70 tons. That means they're a hundred thousand to 140,000 pounds. They're 280 feet in here. How did they get there? They're cut extremely precisely. They are laser straight and I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll share something else with you in a minute, but it's not about the pyramid. They are laser cut straight, 280 feet up. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Conventional Egyptologists will argue, well, they had a ramp. The problem is no ramp has ever been found and the ramp would've to be three times the length of the great pyramid. The new argument is, well, they had an internal ramp. This was a guy named Robert Houdin, who was a an architect from France. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, there may be an internal ramp, but [00:20:00] 70 ton blocks in a, in a ramp with slaves pulling it. It just didn't happen. So how was this place built? There is a record. In a Temple of Ed Fu that's 500 miles south of the great pyramid. On the walls of this temple are two and a half acres of hieroglyphics. The hieroglyphics state. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: We had papyrus that was so ancient, it was flaking away. And rather than let this record be lost, we are inscribing on the walls of the temple of Edfu, a record of what happened. Now, they didn't call this island Atlantis, they called it the island of the primal, ones of the shining ones. And he said [00:21:00] there was a tremendous war between good and evil, and their islands sank and they fled to Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And when they got to Egypt, By building these buildings, they tried to recreate their lost homeland unsuccessfully. So how did I get involved in the Great Pyramid? Well, let me tell you something else. Let me switch back. There's a, there's a pyramid called Sakara. It's about six or eight miles southwest of Giza, the Pyramid Field, for those who don't know where Giza is, it's right by Cairo and it's at the north end of Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And Egypt slopes down where the Nile River runs. So right before it enters the Mediterranean C is Giza and it's a fan shape Delta. And the pyramid perfectly [00:22:00] circumscribes that fan shape Delta. And while I, I was saying about the Nile River, let me mention something on Nile River, most people don't have a clue. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That denial River used to run across Africa and empty into the Atlantic Ocean. That is no longer the case. Certain researchers now feel based on evidence that that was geo engineered to change to, to flow due North. Why? Because there is a grand plan that all of Egypt was made on, and this grand plan had to do with the nature of humanity and of souls in the earth. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: There are in, in Egypt, logical law, in Egypt, logical [00:23:00] myths, so to speak. The two major player, the three major players actually in Egypt were oss. Isis, his kind of wife, like Adam and Eve and the brother of Osiris set who was extremely jealous of, of Osiris. So set in this cosmic play in this mythological play, he murdered his brother and cut his body into 15 pieces and spread them all around Egypt so they could never be found. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: But again, this is in Egypt logical myth. What happened is Isis, his concert wife's sister, went and found 14 of the 15 pieces. [00:24:00] She couldn't find his PHUs. The PHUs represents regeneration and rebirth. It is the male sign of impregnation. It's almost like the phoenix, the death and the regeneration. She couldn't find the fellas, so she fashioned a golden fellas, the most precious metal, and using Egyptian magic, she put him back together, kind of like Frankenstein, put the PHUs on him and impregnated herself and bore Horace. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: She still only found 14 pieces. Horas is the hawk headed God and all of Egyptian, the early Egyptian hieroglyphics [00:25:00] are spiritual representations of the process of moving back towards the divine. It is exactly the same process that the Jews brought out of Egypt under Moses, who some people argue was the only feral to ever abdicate the throne. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Ak AK was the world's first monotheist, and the process that was brought out is called Yo Kipur. For those of you who are familiar with Yom Kipur at a exoteric or a simplistic for the masses, meaning it means the day of atonement, it is the day when peop when the, the high priest would go into the whole, before the temple was destroyed, he [00:26:00] would go into the Holy of Holies and bring two goats. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: One would be sacrificed, one would be let go, one would have all the sins. They drive it away for three days and throw it off a cliff. In the, in the arc of the covenant, in the Holy of Holies, there's a mercy seat between two Cher that originally was used to talk to God. When the Jews lost the, in about 6 52 8 BC the arc of the covenant disappeared. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: If we have time, I'll share with you where I think it's coming back from, because all the indicators are, or great indicators are that it was buried on purpose by these guys. You ever hear of the Knights of the Temple, [00:27:00] the temples. The temple is built every one of the gothic cathedrals in Europe, and every one of those cathedrals are based on Egyptian esoteric mysteries, because all of Egypt is about returning to the light of the divine. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: What is this book about? This book is about cutting edge physics and consciousness, that the ultimate nature of reality is light, and that the light is instantaneous everywhere in the universe and connected. And my doctoral chair's best friend, he's still alive. He's written a hundred books. His name is Dr. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Irvin Laslow. He wrote a book, excuse me, in 2004. [00:28:00] Called Science and Ikas Field, an entity covered every development of quantum physics from 1905 when Neil's board developed it until 2004, and he, and what he covered was everything and what, here's what quantum physicists have found. All space, all time, all past, all present, all future, all domains, all levels. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Everything that you could ever conceive of is part of what is called the Akashic field. Scientists have proven that everything is connected to everything else instantaneously, and it's all light, including our bodies. That knowledge has been suppressed greatly. The last sentence in that book says the akok feel, which means the all is the mind of the divine. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The Egyptian ancient Egyptians built every [00:29:00] single structure with the idea of the light and returning to the light because we are spiritual beings experiencing the earth. I'll give you a pretty good example. The original ancient Egyptian name for the Great Pyramid was not cfu. CFU didn't build the great pyramid, and there was no evidence except a three inch high statue of supposedly the Pharaoh CFU found close by to the pyramid that CFU built it along with a guy named Howard Vice, who dyna might his way into the chambers above the, above the, the, the king's chamber, so-called is not the king's chamber. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And he argues that he found cartes that said cfu. The problem is he had lousy Egyptian and he did not allow to write [00:30:00] the hieroglyphics. The original name of the Great Pyramid, which was cased in perfectly white tur limestone was the light. Every building in Egypt was built to process enlightenment, to return people, which is the same term you gotta think, process philosophy. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Alfred North Whitehead, neither you or I or anyone watching, listening to this is a specific being, but a creative entity. And all we do is create. That's all we do. All the divine does is creates, all you do is create. Every cell in your body is constantly being recreated as part of the AKA field, which is part of a divine mind [00:31:00] plan, which has the ontology of light, but a teleology, telogy, a purposefulness of ever becoming more sophisticated, conscious, and aware. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Let's go back to, let's go back to to Yom Kipper. Most Jews are taught that Yom Kipper means the day of atonement. But if you break the word apart, it becomes a process. Atonement really is about, at one minute, it is the process of return. And if we look at the Old Testament, it is a, it is an attempt to move from selfishness, arrogance, and pride, which is the whole story of the Old Testament, no matter what the specifics are to [00:32:00] selflessness. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: As a psychologist, I can say all psychological problems. Excuse me, I gotta get a drink. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: All psychological problems relate to self-absorption. I don't care what you, if you look at the DSM five now, every issue Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: is about self depression, anxiety, reactions. I don't care what it is, they're all about self the way out of that. Is to fall in love with that which created us, and I argue all addictions are attempts to numb the pain of not being a kipper of moving back towards the divine because it is the only thing that exists, the akashi field is the [00:33:00] ancient Egyptians knew this. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's why the great pyramid was not built as a tomb nor any of the other pyramids. The great pyramid was built as a temple of initiation and the, the empty sarcophagus. And I, I was in the empty sarcophagus for 17 breaths. And I can tell you it is so loaded with energy that unless you are really in a perfect attunement, you can't stay in it. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I lasted 17 breasts. It was like, It was like being bombarded with the most weird sensations ever. There is much more to that, and it's in this book. Okay, now let me go back to the, to the, the general vicinity of why Egypt was not the, the pyramids in [00:34:00] Egypt and the temple. Some of the temples were built later on, earlier sites, and again, there are seven bands of temples. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: There's two on each side of the Nile River. My daughter has a very good friend. He, his late friend, her late friend who, not Joseph Yoan. It was I'll think of his name in a minute. He wrote a great article on talking about the Nile River in all of the temples. Being chakras along the Kundalini, that's what the ancient, esoteric Egyptians knew and taught privately. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So those 14 temples are missing the 15th piece, and that 15th piece is why I was brought in [00:35:00] for the The Desire by Dr. Zahi Wash and Dr. Mark Lerner, who have one as publicly stated. Dr. Mark Lerner wrote a book and is publicly stated, and I got the slide to prove it. He said, my entire goal of my life was to find the lost Atlantian Hall of Records. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Zawa brought me in because I had access to the LIDAR system and we were going to go into Egypt. Bringing the lidar system because what they're really interested is in finding the biggest change in history that'll ever be. And that is the Atlantan Hall of Records. So that's a quick overview. Are you guys still with me? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes, sir. That's, that's interesting. So you, you had said the, the people of light now, if I remember [00:36:00] correctly, in the Old Testament when they talk about the serpent, the word for serpent was na kosh, which means kind of bronze colored skin, or, or, or like, like glisen, like light. I wonder if there's any sort of relation there between naka, that Hebrew word and what you're describing. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Well I wasn't going to cover this, but I'll go, I'll I'll, since you asked, I'll go into it. As you now see, as we now see. The people in power always want to control the narrative, and they will do that when you're asleep and all you are is self-absorbed. It's like what Stalin said. One death is a tragedy, a millions of statistic. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And if you look at all the mass murderers, there is no concern at all or love for anyone. What we see in Star Wars, what we see in all the themes through history and [00:37:00] biblically, and I suggest to you the Old Testament is, was written on four levels. Historical, literal, allegorical. Symbolic. It's also written esoterically. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: It is. If it is taken only, literally Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: we limit ourselves. So let's go back to what's not in the Old Testament, but is mentioned in the Old Testament. And what that is, is, is the book of Enoch. And in the book of Enoch, which, and there's 2200 flavors of Christianity, and there are several flavors of Judaism. The 2200 exoteric flavors of Christianity have a common theme, and it's based on a need to feel [00:38:00] safe. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So what they argue is only our flavor of Christianity is correct. They're all wrong for whatever theological reasons that there are with Judaism. What Judaism sought the same surety. And the law into maintaining the mosaic law to the nth degree. Now, what was the purpose of the law? It was Are you familiar with Tek? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Okay. literally means the repair of the gulf, the rift between the divine and humanity, by maintaining the law. Now, what is that really about? It's about boundaries. It's about boundaries. So the ego, which is easy, got out, does not run amuck, and is, [00:39:00] and is bounded until consciousness can awaken enough that you are in, in touch with the divine enough that you recognize the way to live is through the pattern of selflessness. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Now, there is a reason why the Jewish prophets came in as Jews, because what Judaism was originally about was an offshoot. It could be argued of the Egyptian desire to be one with the divine. And what Judaism is all about is the love of God. But I have a friend of mine, he's not a close friend, he's an acquaintance. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: His name is Rabbi Germ. And Rabbi Germ is a Hasidic Jew. And he wrote to me one day and he said, Tom, 85% of all Jews [00:40:00] today are secular human as atheists. So they have forgotten what the Orthodox, which they think the Orthodox are nuts. But the Orthodox practice, that's the goal. And, and. The goal is sureity and se ex, it's, it's the preservation of the self for the future, but all spiritual growth. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I don't think I brought the book with me. All spiritual growth is paradoxical. The more you give up of self and self-protection. You got a question? Did you want me to stop? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was just gonna say that it's interesting what you had, what you had said is cuz the words of Jesus, you have no greater love than to give his life's brother. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's, and if you look the Old Testament is all about failure. It is the failure to live [00:41:00] a selfless life and do, and do. Kip the. Somebody believes in Jesus. And if you look at the history of Christianity, excuse me, it is a far different cry than what was taught after the 14 hundreds. And I'll give you an example. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Until the emperor just Indian than about four 50 or 5 35, I forget the year. His wife was Theodosia, she was a concubine, reincarnation. The idea of reincarnation is still the viable teaching of Hasidic esoteric Jews. For the, for the 85%, they don't believe in anything. But there's, there is a phenomenal series of, [00:42:00] of insights by rabbis that are esoteric rabbis to talk why reincarnation is not openly taught in Judaism. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Until 500 ad. And by the way, to the Christians in the audience that have been taught, that man is appointed but wants to live and wants to die, I can cite four even more compelling passages in the New Testament that say exactly opposite. For example, Matthew 11 and math. Could you share those? Yeah, sure. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Matthew 11 and Matthew 17, you can look. Jesus is having a discussion. The disciples are asking Jesus, who are you? Are you Elijah? Are who? Are you a prophet? Who are you? What's your nature? What's your anthology? And he said, I'll tell you, Elijah [00:43:00] has come again. And they knew him not, and they did to him what's they would. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And then it says, the disciples understood. Did he speak it to them of John the Baptist? So let's look at Elijah's life, Elijah, and I'm trying to remember if it was Jezebel or if it was Delilah. Elijah was a, an aesthetic, and Elijah's the guy that had the contest between the priest of ba and this is about dancing about over the, about the, the fire. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And he said, have your servants bring all of the wood, kill a bullet, a bull, a cow, and put it on there and have 'em dance around and see if he can bring the fire down. Nothing happened after like 12 hours. He then calls down Yahweh. And what Yahweh does is lights the fire. But in Elijah's [00:44:00] arrogance, what did he do? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Do you remember? He beheaded all. He killed the ball, putting water on there. He killed 500. He beheaded 500 priests of ball. Oh yeah, the bail profits a bail. So what Jesus was referring to in 11 and 17 is that the karma, karma is not just memory. It's a Sanskrit word that means action, which you so you shall reap. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He die kills by this sword, shall die by this sword, but it's not just memory, it's God's grace. So you can meet and overcome what you have done. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what leukemia really is. Leukemia is the shedding of your own blood. Nonviolently from an esoteric perspective. So, Here's, here's two other ones, Paul, I think it's in Galatians [00:45:00] chapter four, verse nine. Paul says, I tra is a French word, meaning to work, to engage Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I, I, I engage in my life. Here's what he said. I tra this isn't a King James version. I tra in birth again till ye be formed in Christ Jesus. Now, let's go to revelation. Revelation was given to Jesus, to by Jesus to the Apostle John, John the beloved. It isn't exactly described when he was banished to the island of Patson and he appeared to them and John says, I was in spirit deep meditation on the Lord's Day when Jesus revealed this to me. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: If you [00:46:00] read chapter three, verse 12, this is what Jesus tells John to he who overcomes the world, I will send out no more. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So how did I get involved? How did I get invited in is because when I hypnotized a guy named Bob Pickett, this is in 1965, Bob Pickett. I mean, I knew nothing about hypnosis. He insisted I hypnotize him. I was raised Roman Catholic and I was the I, I mean, I was like 18, 19 years old. I was just a fool. I didn't know anything. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: But I wanted a college degree cuz I realized how stupid I was. How, how clueless I was because I, I grew up in the projects in Buffalo. So I said, all right, picket, I'll hypnotize you. And I hypnotize him. I age [00:47:00] regress him, and I was sewing a button on my fatigue blouse, and I had a long needle. And I, since I'm doubting Thomas, he's, I take him back to age four and I said, I wonder if he's BSing me. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I wonder if he's awakened. He's just making his stuff up, because I'm asking him, what'd you get for your birthday? So he's laying on the co, he's laying on his bed next to me and I take that needle and I stabbed him in the hand. He didn't even butch. I said, holy cow. So I said, what'd you get for your fourth birthday? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Third birthday, second birthday, first birthday? Can you remember being born? He tells me, this is a cognitive dissonance of the highest order I said, Can you remember in your mother's womb? He tells me about a conversation between his mother and his aunt about the coming baby. I said, can you remember anything before? Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Because I'm figuring he's gonna say, how's a fat chubby little angel? And God sent me down here. This is what he told me. How is a minor [00:48:00] functionary in the court of Louis the 16th, and he starts telling me of a lifetime in France. My head was exploding. I couldn't take it. I had to wake him up. As soon as he woke up he goes, I says, picket it. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Do you remember what you told me? He goes, Tom, you're my best friend. You stabbed me in a hand. When I was sleeping, that's all he cared about. He didn't want to hear, he wouldn't let me hypnotize him again. He would never let do anything. I got certified. I went back as part of my doctoral program and I was certified. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: By the American Society for Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis. It's only open to dentists, doctors, and PhDs. I didn't have my doctorate then. I was, I was working on my doctoral dissertation and here's what they told us. We do not know what hypnosis is, and I'll tell you what it is. In my opinion, it is letting go of the stranglehold that the rational consciousness has on us, [00:49:00] and it's letting the unconscious mind, which is the conscious mind of the soul speak. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what hypnosis is really about. They then said to me, if somebody spontaneously regresses to a former life, pay them no mind. That's how powerful the strictures are. All right, let me tell you a little more, cause we only got three minutes left, right? I'll tell you, I'll tell you a little more. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: When I got transferred to Germany after Dugal threw us out of France, a guy gave me a book called, there Is a River, about Agro Casei. I didn't know anything about Agar. I didn't, I mean, I was a young kid. I was 19. I didn't know. I read that book three times in three days and I said, this is either, this is the greatest story I ever told, or it's o other BS over the years. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I can say this about Casey. He is the only [00:50:00] psychics, whatever you want to call him, in all history, it was steno graphically recorded for 25 or 27 years. He could take his consciousness under altered state and project it anywhere in the world and go through your body in extreme detail with 98% accuracy. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And prescribe how to get better. Did that for 45 years. There's a guy who's written a 1600 page book that I'll be glad to send you. It's a trilogy called Return of the Phoenix by Michael Mandeville. He was an absolute skeptic on Casey, and he said, I thought he was like everybody else. Another phony, and I'm not asking you to accept or reject anything on Casey, but I'll tell you this. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Dr. Zawa and Dr. [00:51:00] Mark Lerner's PhDs were paid for by Edgar Casey's oldest son. Casey said that the great pyramid was designed by this guy who was a prior incarnation of Christ, and that's the whole purpose of a 12,900 year plan that's coming to an end. With another change in consciousness. And it says in the Bible that Adam and Eve was the first man and woman, but we know they married other people. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: According to the Casey source, Casey never remembered anything. There were multiple levels Bec as we came into the earth cause we're pure spirit. It was pure spirit thought form, like a two year old thought form projecting in a materiality sent towards mentors, mermaids getting stuck [00:52:00] till God eventually created the adomic race. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what the Bible was talking about. The Adomic race is rational mind and the whole process is over many lifetimes and, and it's a gift that we can't remember those lifetimes. Because what if you were Hitler? What if you were a murderer or a prostitute? The unconscious self hatred of the eagle would destroy us. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: So God gives us free will. And the goal is, is in Matthew 10 32. I think that's in the goal. The disciples we're saying to him, who are we? And he said, as I'm not saying, your scriptures referring to the 82nd Psalm that er God's children are the most on our goal. All we do is create. All God does is create. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: The goal is what is the spirit, the ideals in which you live. Because all evil in the earth [00:53:00] is caused by selfishness, pride, and arrogance. And that's what the fallen angels are about. They came into the earth and Lucifer most likely seduced. Steve impregnated her with Kane. And what did Kane do? Murdered Abel. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Those, they got an access so they could incarnate into the airplane and we are now reaching the culminating war. That'll be culminating with a polar shift and my hour is up. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. That's a lot of amazing things that we didn't even get to really tackle as much as I wanted to. Man, the time went by so quick. I think I have to have again sometime soon. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: I have pictures, I have slides. I can talk to you about other areas, but that's, I think it's the greatest story, never told of who Christ really was. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He was Adam [00:54:00] Je Joshua Joseph. Look at him with Joshua. He had 11 brothers and a father. He had a multicolored coat. What does that represent? It represents light defracted and not whole yet he got. He was gonna be murdered by his brothers. They threw him into a well. When names change. When consciousness change, names change in the Bible. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And his brother, Judah, sold them for 20 pieces of silver. Within two years. He was number two guy in Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Okay? He interpreted dreams. He forgave his brothers and his father see the movement. At first, he was arrogant. They hated them. He eventually forgave them. Just look at J. Just look at Joshua. Joshua was arou allowed into the promised land. Moses [00:55:00] wasn't. Why Moses murdered a slave owner. You look at those lives of look at Mcil death. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He is viewed by Christians as a precursor of Christ. That's cuz he was. If you read John chapter one, everything in that chapter is true. In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word was with God. And, and by him all things were created. Nothing was not created except by him. He is the pattern, and yet he will never force that pattern on us. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's why he says, I stand at the door and knock, but I will never enter unbidden. It is us to use our free will to wake up. And I can, I'll end it with this. There is one quality that defines all happy people. You wanna take a shot at it? One word.[00:56:00] Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Gratitude. All happy people are grateful. All the rest are in greats. They're poor me, somebody done me wrong, and they're victims. They're asleep to their own. Yo kipper, they're not at one, so they seek to kill the pain of non being. They seek addictions and what is the gift of an addiction? Pain. That's how you know you're addicted. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: Pain. The people that live in peace are the ones that have fallen in love with God. Just look at the great Sufis. Look at Rumi aas. Hafi says, I'm a whole in the flute of God, through which Christ's breath blows. Listen to this music. Falling in love with God is the only way out psychologically. It's the only thing that brings peace. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: That's what Christ came to show us. Those buildings. All of the buildings in Egypt, all of the temples [00:57:00] initiates were taken to the lowest temples, and they were brought up and taught at every level until at the highest level, which was the temple of initiation, which is the great pyramid. None of them were built as tombs. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: They were built as temples of initiation. Hers is the Greek name for thunk for th Enoch. The the the Jewish prophet Enoch. Perhaps the greatest prophet next to Moses was known to the Jews. This was th th Eich Kmi. Same guy in the Herm Medica. Hermis brings his disciple. Aus and they're viewing ancient Egypt. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: And Asus says to 'em, look at the beauty, the perfection [00:58:00] that is Egypt. And by the way, the accuracy of the, of the jars, there's 40,000 jars. Do. There are, they are basalt. And and I can't think of the other things. There's 40,000. They're act, they're machine to 1000th of an inch. And I'll, I'll shut up after this. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: What, what, what Herme says to Aus is the Lius says, look at his beauty everywhere. And Herme says Tous, it'll all be destroyed. It'll all be gone. It'll all be forgotten by mankind. But someday they will awaken to the glory of the divine. Thanks for your time. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you sir. And, and I think this is a perfect time to say that there is redemption at the foot of Jesus. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And if, and if you've done things in your life that, that are taking you into a bad place, into [00:59:00] addiction, into self-hate, into all of these things that we've discussed, turn to the cross, turn to Jesus and you will find that forgiveness that you're Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: looking for. That's you're He's everything. He's the answer. Dr. Tom Lawson, PhD.: He's the only answer. Thank you, sir. God bless you. Thank you so much. God bless you. Bye Now. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there, the duty uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Wright and Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. 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Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave, and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. SIgoloff. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for joining me again. I first wanna say thank you to all my Patreon subscribers. I've got shell pace at the $50 level, Sam and Angela shek At $20 and 20 cents a month, we have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents with Ty, Charles, tinfoil Stanley, Dr. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Anna, who was a guest. Frank, we have the $10 self-made level with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned tier at $5 a month with Linda Emmy, Joe Patten, Bev, pj, [00:01:00] Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer. And then the courage is contagious. $1 level, Amanda j Spna, Dorell, Suzanne, BB King, who is also a guest. And Rick, thank you so much for all your support. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Now we have another special guest back, a personal friend and a friend to the show. Dr. Lee Merritt. Thank you so much for coming back. Dr Lee Merritt: Hey, thanks. Thanks for having me. I, I, I was looking around today for my pandemic reprimand patch. I had it, I wore it on a show the other day. It just stuck to my, my, my turtleneck. Dr Lee Merritt: So I love it. Thanks. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for representing now. I wanted to have you on today cuz you and I recently had a conversation about mRNA and do we have that technology, does that exist? Is it in the shots? And you have a lot of good information to share about that. Dr Lee Merritt: Well, yeah, I, I'll tell you what got me down this road, and, and by the way, I'm one of the crazy people that doesn't think they're viruses, but that I can just, that I can absolutely show you why the, the science is, is garbage about this. Dr Lee Merritt: [00:02:00] Some of this, the, what I'm, what I'm telling you now is really based on it's, it's more, it's less like a scientific research project and more like Angela Lansbury murder. She wrote, you know, going down the, the means motive and opportunity, what's going on here. Because when you do that, you realize if we were, if this were a murder, mystery, murder investigation, and we were doing it seriously, you just wouldn't accept a lot of the stuff that this happened. Dr Lee Merritt: As you, you'd know it was off. Okay? You wouldn't wait for 30 year double blind studies. It isn't that kind of a, a scientific investigation. So the first thing that happened along that road, so I'm gonna kind of go in the time course here. The first thing that I noticed was that I was, I was What was I looking at? Dr Lee Merritt: I was looking at something, oh, I, cuz I had published a CK article, I a bunch, several CK articles and one of the things I brought up was crispr, the CRISPR technology and the, you know, the stuff about the X-files and the predictive programming and the danger of this stuff. And it really worried me. [00:03:00] But when I got farther into it, I re, somebody had sent me a, a kind of a, it was a legal, it was, it was like they'd sent it to a lawyer and the lawyer passed it to me, not, you know, and it was about, They were saying it sounded like Chinese, I can't remember why I thought these were Chinese people writing this, but it was a group of people that didn't sign their name. Dr Lee Merritt: I, and at the time I believed them, I thought, well, they just don't wanna be killed probably. And they purported to be ratting out, this guy named Jiang at M i t. And what they're saying is, we've done the RNA sequencing, this is how we did it. These, these guys were, whether or not they were lying or not, at least they were extremely technically competent. Dr Lee Merritt: They, they, they, from what I can understand, I mean they were using the right words and they were talking about stuff I could verify. And they looked at all these different, they were using different methods for sequencing, different databases and all that kinda stuff. And what they said essentially was, You know, this isn't the code for a spike protein. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay? It, it's an, it's no long open reading frame. [00:04:00] This is a, some kind of RNA toxin they're giving you. They're just giving you all sorts of little fragments of RNAs that we can't identify. It's not the, it's not the spike protein. And we think this is where the, the whole, the whole murder mystery thing comes. Dr Lee Merritt: And we think the only guy that could have done this was Jiang at the M mi t Jang lab named for him. Okay? So I decide who is this guy? So I went to the m MIT lab thing. Well, Jiang is a young guy, and by the way, his name in Chinese means tip of the spear make of that what you want. He's a Chinese American. Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, I think he was native born Chinese. But anyway, young guy. Obviously Barry Bright and his claim to fame is, this is the guy who's the father of crispr. Okay? So he's apparently very, very up in this thing. So I go to his website, start reading it, and what does he say? The first paragraph that I found about this was he says, yeah, you know, now I'm embellishing a little bit. Dr Lee Merritt: But he says, you know, when, when when you, when it comes to genetic manipulation, we can do gene knockdown. And I knew that what [00:05:00] gene knockdown is is not, you know, that's how they made GMO potatoes. In other words, they crudely, you know, change things in the DNA enough that they can just get rid of things, and then they see what happens. Dr Lee Merritt: It's very crude, but it, they can do it. And that's the, the GMO potatoes that we have today that are all donating any of those. What they did was they didn't wanna have spoilers, so what they did is they hid the spoilers by knocking down the gene for the melanin. So anybody that eats GMO potatoes, just be aware the potatoes could be rotten, but you won't know because they took away the chemical marker that God gave us to know that something's rotten. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay? That's the way gene knockdown works. They can knock down part of your immune system, for example, but what they, what he says, but, but you know, when it comes to precise genetic insertion, we really can't do that. And I read that and I said, what? This is the father of crispr. That's what that's all about. Dr Lee Merritt: What are we talking about here? So then I looked up, and I learned this from Bob Greco, not Carbon 60 Fame. I said, I, I learned, I looked up his, his PhD thesis. [00:06:00] Okay. And what's his PhD thesis in? It's an optogenetics. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you a little later about why that's important. And what opto optogenetics in brief is that I can use wavelength to change the function of like nerve cells or you know, heart cells or things using wavelength. Dr Lee Merritt: And it presumably goes through the DNA expression. So that's what optogenetics is, and I'm gonna talk about that a little later. But here's the reason. So then I started thinking about there's something wrong about the idea of the r n A in the vaccines to begin with. The first, and the first thing is that if you're, if you're looking at the, the the production of this, of this technology just to begin with, let's assume they started six months before the e u a rolled out and they started producing these vaccines. Dr Lee Merritt: If you look at Pfizer, just at Pfizer, and you look at how many vaccines they claim they've produced, To date. And then you look at, at, let's give them a few [00:07:00] more months. Let's add six months from the time of the e Uua. So from that date to now, they claim they've produced a certain number of vaccines to do that at, at their 11 facilities, they would have to be doing 18 vaccines per second, nonstop round the clock seven days a week. Dr Lee Merritt: No shutting down of any of those production lines. No pause for quality checks. No, nothing is, you know, and if you, and if then if then you say or no, that's 14, sorry, 14 vaccines per minute. If you say you waited until the e u a was actually approved to start producing it, you're talking about 18 vaccines a second. Dr Lee Merritt: So, Is that even possible? And is it even, especially with a, with a, with a medication like this, which is injectable and has serious quality constraints that have to be tested frequently, and that's just, I know something about manufacturing, you always shut down lines. Campbell Soup in Omaha near me, they always shut down lines because something was a muck. Dr Lee Merritt: Here you have a very, very delicate process and they're saying that [00:08:00] nothing is shut down, that it just doesn't make sense. So that's number one. Number two is the cost. In 2018, the cost of doing any kind, they only had, keep in mind that there were billions and billions of dollars sunk into vaccine into mRNA technology research in medicine. Dr Lee Merritt: And none of it except like two things so far have ever resulted in an actual treatment, has ever meant the clinical stages before Covid. And, and one of them was an ophthalmologic thing and it, and it. Cost essentially 800,000 to a million dollars a dose. And you're telling me that within two years they got that technology down so they could offer $30 or less per dose for the whole world. Dr Lee Merritt: I, I, I have a little hard time with that one too. Okay. You, I know mass prediction decreases cost, but to from a million to 30 mm. That's a little bit hard stretch, but here's the kicker. Okay. Even, you know, remember when this thing rolled out, at first they said, oh, this stuff has to be kept very, very cold to keep the RNA from degrading. Dr Lee Merritt: So [00:09:00] it's, it's very important that it says that 80 below, I think it was 80 below zero centigrade or something. It was very, very cold. And so it could only be in certain depositories around the country. And then, After about two or three weeks, that kind of just went away and pretty soon it was just sitting on a fi, a pharmacy wall. Dr Lee Merritt: And then pretty soon it was there for a month. Okay. That was 10 days, and then it was a little stretched out. Now why is that important? Because if you go to a I, I found they're still doing research on this stuff, so they're, the people producing this are not the primary researchers. The researchers are out there in academia and all sorts of medical facilities, and they're doing all this stuff. Dr Lee Merritt: And they know, they know what happens when they're doing research. Right? They knew about the animal deaths. They're still having people, the, the cancer research in mRNA. Yeah. The animals don't die of cancer, but they're dying of other things, so they know there's a problem. It's never been really released yet for that. Dr Lee Merritt: But when I found a paper, and this is a, a, a group of, of physicians, I think from the University of Washington, [00:10:00] and they, they're talking about how it's a review of mRNA technology. This is June of 2022. Let's think about that. So a year and a half after the rollout of all these vaccines, these guys are saying, you know, this mRNA technology would really, yeah, it has a lot of potential. Dr Lee Merritt: Like maybe we could make a vaccine their, their primary cancer researchers. But they were saying, yeah, for example, they could make a vaccine for malaria, which is desperately needed in the third world country. But the problem there is they don't have a transport system that would, that would allow this because without the ability to thoroughly to keep these things really, really cold, the M R N is going to degrade. Dr Lee Merritt: So at the time, we're letting this sit at room temperature for period long periods of time, months at a time before we give it out. They're still saying in the basic science research, that's not possible. And when you look at it, the half-life of some of these RNAs, so there's RNA as a, as a family of things. Dr Lee Merritt: They're micro RNAs and TR and mRNAs, the messenger RNAs or s RNAs. They're all [00:11:00] these different things. And when they look at these things, they all have different half lives, but they, they range from about three minutes to 16 and a half hours. Now, I'm just gonna make this point. We know about transportation systems. Dr Lee Merritt: You couldn't even get it out of the factory in 16 and a half hours. Not to mention then the, so that to me is the final blow in my mind that this is not what this is about. Even if they intended it, they're getting, you're getting very, if, if they did put it in, which I doubt you're getting extremely degraded stuff if there's been sitting on a pharmacy shelf, right? Dr Lee Merritt: And, and when I say extremely degraded, it's like the point of 90 to 99% gone to the, and they say in the, in this article, one of these articles they say, which makes it useless as an m when you're as a clinical diagnostic test to look for mRNA, it's useless because just taking the blood sample, going to the lab, it's gonna all be degraded. Dr Lee Merritt: Now it degrades faster in blood cuz we have breakdown enzymes. But nonetheless, you [00:12:00] see my point, this is just can't be what they're saying. So Yeah, so, so that was, that was the big thing. So then about this, so then what are they doing? And I honestly think the, for lack of a better term, I mean the uber parasites, I kinda like the Uber parasites. Dr Lee Merritt: I used to call 'em the Uber Lords, but the people on the top of the pyramid that are purposely trying to murder us with this stuff, if, you know, do you think they'd be spending their, they're not gonna volunteer their dollars for doing this if they can do it on the cheap, if it's gonna be more effective, it's not mRNA. Dr Lee Merritt: Even if it were, even if it were possible to get it out of the factory, it's just not a very cost effective therapy because it's expensive to make stuff like this. So anyway, and I think personally, all those billions that were spent are probably spent in dark programs. I don't think it's really being spent on this. Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, it's like nasa, right? This is like the mRNA technology is like space ex exploration by nasa. It may be going on some way, but not the way they're telling you. They're, they're, they're using the money for other things. So here we [00:13:00] have now, what are, what are they really doing? Well, it turns out that I went in, in the process of this, looking at optogenetics. Dr Lee Merritt: I started just researching optogenetics and I stumbled upon a lot of this stuff has to do with options. Options are chemicals that respond to light. So you and I have options in our eye, like roadin. It's one of those things that help you see chemicals or low light or something, but it changes with the, with, with, with when, when light hits it. Dr Lee Merritt: Now, Human beings and mammals in general, we don't have very strong options. In other words, they, they talk about, you know the kinetics of chemical reactions being, you know, very, very fast, very slow, whatever. Our kinetics in our options isn't very fast. We don't, we don't have the kind of really very sensitive options that bacteria do. Dr Lee Merritt: And I think it's a bluegreen algae or something that they used as an example that, that in a Petri dish, if you have this bluegreen algae floating on the surface, so the whole surface looks kind of bluegreen and you [00:14:00] shine a 310 nanometer light on it, they'll start all moving away from you to the other side of the Petri dish. Dr Lee Merritt: It'll, it'll, eventually, you'll have a Petri dish that's, that's all to the, the opposite side because it actually triggers the little flagella, the little rotary propeller on the back of these, these single celled organisms. Okay? So they have very, very powerful options. Well, what these basic science researchers, and I never read, quite frankly, I don't know about you, but have you picked up a medical journal? Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, the medical journals are just so fraudulent. It doesn't matter. But real research is still being done out there and somebody's publishing it. You know, when something has become, by the way, here's your, your how to clue to how to do basic science reading. I learned this years ago. Looking at the bios, they'll, they'll publish, publish, publish, publish. Dr Lee Merritt: The minute it goes dark, you can't see it. They've quit publishing about it. That means it's gone into the black programs. Okay? So right now they're still publishing this stuff, but who knows? So, so this is from a few years ago and they're talking, maybe they're not publishing it now. Cause this is, some of this stuff is from a few [00:15:00] years ago. Dr Lee Merritt: So what they did is they took these options and they said, let's hybridize mammalian options with these bacterial options to see if we can make them more effective. So if we can use 'em for targeting for cancer research, that's one of the reasons they, they were saying they were doing it. So they did that and they, and they, then they injected these things into the mice. Dr Lee Merritt: Now they're two types of optogenetic research using this that are primary. I mean, they're probably a lot more, but the big two things they're looking at is your heart and your brain. And they always do it. Although we wanna solve Parkinson's and we want to have, be able to solve you know, do things that are non-invasive in the heart. Dr Lee Merritt: Those are kind of the excuses they always give for all these kind of strange things. But what they did was they injected mice with these, this hybridized option and what they sell. Oh, the other thing is almost word for word. In all these articles, they talk about very s. Te temporal, spatial speci, specificity and specificity. Dr Lee Merritt: In other words, when they do this technique, it, it [00:16:00] is very specific. If I want to use this technique on one part of the brain, I don't have to affect the other part of the brain. I can target parts of the brain, parts of the heart to the points. You can almost do cardiac mapping with this. Okay, so they, so they hybridize this chemical, this option thing. Dr Lee Merritt: They put it into the mice, and then they turn on the wavelength. They play around with wavelength and they can cause arrhythmia. They can start arrhythmia, they can stop arrhythmia. Now think about that. Dr Sam Sigoloff: They can start your heart and stop your heart with EMF frequency. Dr Lee Merritt: Let's just see what this might lead to. Dr Lee Merritt: But they couldn't do it. Yep, that's right. Now the, but here's the point and the good point I'm just gonna make, they couldn't do it until they put this chemical into you. So those people that are unvaccinated probably are somewhat. If this is what's going on, as I suspect it's good to be unvaccinated right now they really have to inject you. Dr Lee Merritt: This is not something I think they can get into you [00:17:00] by all the fear tactics they're putting out there. I think they have to, it's like Judy Mitz said this at a meeting. I was sitting next to her chatting with her and she said, but she ta she talked about, you know, she talks about viruses, but she doesn't really mean viruses. Dr Lee Merritt: She means genetic material that's being scavenged from one animal, putting another animal. She calls it infection by injection. So I think that's what this is too. There's a, they, they have to get it into you, but once they get this stuff into the, into the animal, they can then cause this arrhythmia. Now I want you to think about the, the Travis Scott concert. Dr Lee Merritt: Remember? I mean, I'm not a, it may surprise you, but I don't follow rap. But, but that, there was one concert that I actually watched some of. But so they had all these people that dropped, and these are young people, roughly 10 of them. It, they wanted you to make it, make it sound like it was a crush syndrome, but it doesn't look like that. Dr Lee Merritt: And if you talk to the people that, if you listen to the people that were firsthand reporting it, assuming the history to be correct, like we talk about in homicide investigations and, and medicine histories, assuming the history to be correct, they weren't getting [00:18:00] crushed until they fell. And then there was a problem that they didn't have room to do c p r. Dr Lee Merritt: That's when the, they tried to get things stopped. They tried to get these people resuscitated. They tried to get the help in the, the EMTs and stuff. That's the problem. So Dr Sam Sigoloff: there was a similar incidence in South Korea where there was, I think there was. A significant number in significant number. I wanna say a hundred, but I, I, Dr Lee Merritt: oh, in South Korea, Dr Lee Merritt: number of people dropped. I thought it was about a hundred. I did too. I wanna say a hundred. I think that's what I read. And again, these are young people and they, they, they go to this concert and they suddenly drop. Now what's the number one reason that young people have sudden death? It's, it's, it's sudden unexpected arrhythmia. Dr Lee Merritt: You got it. So let's just look at this. Now, these options respond to two things. They respond to wavelength and they respond to pulsitile light. Like a, like a strobe light, like a, like a flashing light at a concert, right? So everybody had to be vaccinated. [00:19:00] Then they had to walk through this tunnel of, you know, this creepy skull satanic junk. Dr Lee Merritt: And then when they got into the concert, then they're bombarded with wavelength, they're bombarded with flashing lights. And these people kind of almost all at once started dropping same. I think that was the same thing in Korea. I can't, I don't know all the, I didn't, I didn't listen to the firsthand reports there, because now I'm pretty con I'm, I'm pretty convinced this is going on. Dr Lee Merritt: But they claim this, never used this technique in, in ma in, in humans. But they're, they, they can show you in animals. They can change the behavior by targeting, let's say they're hypothalamus and they can You know, they can do lots of stuff. So they're targeting the brain, they're targeting the heart. Dr Lee Merritt: And wouldn't this be, I dunno if you, you know, you're too young to remember the church commission, but the church commission really unearthed a lot of things in Congress when congress was really, some of the congressmen really, I guess, cared about truth. It unearthed a lot of things, including that heart attack gun. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, they had these guys showing this CIA heart attack gun cuz they could give you a heart attack at a distance. It's [00:20:00] unprovable, but it used some kind of ice bullet. I mean, it was, it was kind of weird. I can't remember the whole story now. But they, they actually have, they've had a, a desire to be able to kill people. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, you know, these, these intelligence services, they wanna be able to off people without being caught. So, so just saw the dark, Dr Sam Sigoloff: I believe that, I believe that gun used some sort of cono, toxin from a cone snail. Dr Lee Merritt: It could be, I can't remember that whole story. There were several of those weapons out there. Dr Lee Merritt: There was the ice one and there was the toxin one. And then of course we have the Havana Syndrome. So let's not forget that they've been trying this for a long time. We know that in the age of the Soviet Union, we had our, our, our diplomats down there and they got, they got headaches, they got all these things happening to 'em, and it took years to untangle that. Dr Lee Merritt: At least we claim to figure out what was going on. But now we know they actually were having bombard of, of a microwave type device into their skulls because, and we also know it, not just because they claim that they've, they've done that, [00:21:00] but also because DARPA worked at a countermeasure. And when they start working at countermeasure, they assume that there's a measure out there. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. And, and, and I'll just say in really in conclusion that the other point here is if you go back in the Russian literature that I did and it's just a fluke. I studied Russian in college, which is really paid off because I'm not, I can't speak it, you know, I can't, but I can, I can read it. I can read it. Dr Lee Merritt: I'm getting to read it better every night cuz I'm following the Vogner group and all these Russians and the war and Ukraine and I'm learning all sorts of language. We never were taught in the, in the Russian school. But anyway when you, you find this guy Kas Nache in the twenties and thirties in Nova, in, in the old Soviet Union. Dr Lee Merritt: And he became an academic kind of guy. But he started out just looking at this and he looked at cells that were in a, like a Petri dish and it would be, you know, side a, side B, exact same type of cell, but separated by an optical window and. It. Then he poisoned side A to see what happened in side B, [00:22:00] and he would poison it with arsenic, cyanide, bacterial toxins. Dr Lee Merritt: Radiation was a favorite. He did this thousands of times. This is not a fluke. It was thousands of times he did different experiments. And what he discovered was if the optical window was glass, nothing happened to side B. But if the optical window was quartz, they started dying 12 hours later from the cells that were dying that he had poisoned. Dr Lee Merritt: But these weren't poisoned cells on side B, right side ae poisoned side B 12 hours later. And it's specific to what kind of poison he used. So if he poisoned side A with arsenic, side B would start dying with arsenic poisoning. Now, what's different between quartz and window glass quartz allows ultraviolet waves through. Dr Lee Merritt: So the Russians concluded that there was a a transmission here of something they called them the photon erti, the, the, the death photons that there were these ultraviolet photonic. You know, wavelengths coming through and it was killing the other cells from the dying cells [00:23:00] previously. It's interesting that you can't find his literature in, he's written a lot, c chair wrote a lot, and yet you can't find stuff in English. Dr Lee Merritt: And when you do find anybody talking about him, they say things like, oh, that was these crazy, it's Soviet doctors and, and that hasn't been reproduced or something. And then, or you'll find a paper that, that looks like it's gonna tell you something and it says, you don't have the authorization to read this. Dr Lee Merritt: Now what is this? I mean, if it's crazy stuff that there's just, this guy's a loony tune, let me read it. Maybe I like loony tunes, you know? But no, they're gonna keep that. No, there's, and, but there was a group of doctors, a group of scientists outside of Russia that later on experimented with the stuff in the sixties or, or, or was researching the stuff in the sixties, I suspect they were in Germany. Dr Lee Merritt: And guess what lab it was? It was the Marburg lab. Now, if you look at Marburg, Marburg is not an airborne virus like they want you to believe because in the whole history of the world, there've only been 600 [00:24:00] some cases, and most of them were in gold miners or some, one of 'em was gold miners. Maybe another kind of miner in these two different mines in Angola and Congo and during war, just at the end of these war episodes. Dr Lee Merritt: So it's kind of crazy, but it looks to me like that's, that was either asset acquisition or it was a bioweapons experiment on those groups of people. They didn't make their wives and children sick. It was just the minors that got sick. What. You see what I'm saying? It doesn't, it, if it were a virus, it would've spread around. Dr Lee Merritt: Just like why in Wuhan did all those people drop? But we didn't see people in Beijing, Orlon Jo or Jank, or you know, all these other cities did not si, you know, Shanghai, they didn't drop. And yet transportation was not halted in China for a long, long time. So again, what does make sense and fits everything is, is, is in, is frequency. Dr Sam Sigoloff: So what you're saying is that the reason that in Wuhan, that [00:25:00] everyone was dropping is they may have been exposed to a particular frequency, EMF frequency that may have caused. Some sort of fatal arrhythmia or some other issue that dropped caused 'em to drop dead. Dr Lee Merritt: Right Now there's two possibilities of how they got the, the, if it needs options, how do they get the options into the people in Wuhan? Dr Lee Merritt: And I will say there's two possibilities here. The one possibility, which I honestly kind of favor, but it doesn't quite go along with infection by injection is, but it goes along with what Karen Kingston has been saying. A, a specific hydrogel based or something, a lipophilic, something that you can, you get on your hands and it gets into you. Dr Lee Merritt: And by itself it's not toxic. Okay. It could, I thought it could be something that fit into the ACE two pathway. That could be true. That would be the hydrogel. But it, it's something that, and we have videos by, I think it was Epic Times that had a video for a while and it was a, some lady going into a computer store and she wasn't really looking at computers. Dr Lee Merritt: She was just opening the lid, touching all the keys, shutting the lid, [00:26:00] opening, touching, shutting, opening touch. Like that was what you'd do if you wanted to spread something to people, right? So maybe we've spread around some lipophilic, something that gets into your skin that ha te that stays on your skin. Dr Lee Merritt: You get it into your mouth and your mucus memories or what, you start absorbing it, but it doesn't harm you until they turn on the wavelength. I believe that's true. Now, it can also be that some of the people that I noticed, cuz I was following that from the middle, I had a friend that used to work at Fort Dietrich and, and you know the Bioweapons that used to be the Bioweapons plan, it still is now they call a cancer research place. Dr Lee Merritt: Cuz cuz cancers research is a great way to hide bioweapons like veterinary medicine. It's a great way to stash bio bioweapons money. But, but what happened is they No, what was my point? It was about the, the, oh, yeah, yeah. Say again? Dr Sam Sigoloff: There were young men, it seemed, who may have recently Dr Lee Merritt: Oh yeah. Dr Lee Merritt: The young men dropping. So I started noticing, so I had this friend that told me, and I was from the middle of December, I was watching this stuff when most people had never heard that we were even having a disease [00:27:00] breakout. So I was watching this stuff glued to my computer, right? And getting all these, you see all these Chinese talking. Dr Lee Merritt: Now, I'm not saying that some of this couldn't have been propaganda and could have been lies, but there's some things you can't lie about. So, for example, I would see, and they were primarily young fence slender men, like, like thirties. Okay. Could have been military. They're walking along the street and they just drop onto their face without putting their hands down. Dr Lee Merritt: I don't think you get a crisis actor to do that, even in China. Okay. So I think there's some, there was some real stuff going on. The question is why, and I believe now those were at the time I said, I'll bet you the common den. Now why young men? I think those probably were military and they probably got vaccines cuz they got vaccinated and I know they were trying vaccines for sars. Dr Lee Merritt: So see there could have been a multiple factorial reason why people were getting sick and dying. Some of them may not have had the same stuff cuz they were experimenting early on. They were pl they were plotting this out. And I don't know that they had everything worked out. I, I [00:28:00] know they didn't because we can see that in the, in the Craig part of Cooper's research. Dr Lee Merritt: So that's what I think happened. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That fits in with the idea that I put forward in my episode 33 where I talk about the bio weapon and how foun pharmaceutical and BioNTech made an agreement saying that we will sell only to China, pho, sun, pharmaceutical, and BioNTech will sell to the rest of the world. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, if they've already done these experiments and they know that these kill people like that, then they, they know they will not give it to their people anymore. Dr Lee Merritt: Right, right. Well, and the other thing is, the other thing is I think, well, they also know that China can censor things and keep things from getting out there that they don't want out there because all that stopped right away, you know, to notice how it kind of went for about a month and then you didn't see much coming outta China. Dr Lee Merritt: And then we saw the stuff coming out of Lombardi in New York City and it moved on. Right. The other explanation is that they were tuning it in. That, that what was happening is they, because we love to do research on [00:29:00] third world people that, that in the middle of Africa, you know, I, I can remember when nobody heard of the term emerging Infectious Diseases. Dr Lee Merritt: That all started when we started doing our bioweapons programs over there. I believe, you know, that's when we started getting aids, we started getting Ebola, we started getting all sorts of stuff, and they always blame it on, oh, they, oh, we, we, they paved the Kinshasa highway and so truckers were bringing this, this sexually active disease out of the, out of deep, dark jungle. Dr Lee Merritt: I don't believe that. I mean, it's too pat and there's all sorts of stuff. You know, the Zika, I mean, I don't care if you look at these guys, and I'll say like Robert Malone, who have a history of being involved in this research. There's kind of a list of pathogens and, and you know, Zeke is one of 'em. Ebola is one of 'em, h i v, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dr Lee Merritt: These are all things that they use to try and get people to take a universal vaccine. They've been working at this forever. I would say on a, on a, on a kind of a creepy, now I'm, I'm gonna channel Cliff High or on a creepy [00:30:00] existential note here. I love Cliff. I've had a chance to talk to him multiple times. Dr Lee Merritt: He's great, but he, you know, it is true that it doesn't really matter what we believe, okay? It does matter ultimately with God and, and the reality of the universe. But in terms of understanding this, what it matters is what our enemy believes. And if you're, in this case, our enemies, we're in a weird, weird war. Dr Lee Merritt: When have you ever been in a war? You couldn't name the enemy, right? Has anybody really named the enemy here? It's, it's like, is it Pfizer? No, of course not. Is it the US Army? Is it the, they're trying to blame the military. Dr Sam Sigoloff: You got an answer enemy. The enemy is Satan himself. Dr Lee Merritt: Right? And in the form of, I think in the form of a bloodline conspiracy that owns 90 plus percent of the corporate wealth that sits on the top, that is run by a very few number of people. Dr Lee Merritt: And for the lack of a better term we call them the kaza and mafia. Now they're not, it didn't start in Ukraine and Kaza, it started in Babylon. And you're right, [00:31:00] it goes way back to be probably even before the Old Testament. I mean, way biblical times way back and whoever and whatever these, these people using the term somewhat loosely are, but they have a weird belief. Dr Lee Merritt: And part of the weird belief is that I can't. Hurt you directly because that's, that would, I would get karmic retribution, but I can, I can indirectly cause you to be killed. So if I, if I if I inject you with a poison that knocks down your immune system so your own parasites kill you, which I think is what's happening in many of these young men in the, and women in the military that have been out accumulating parasites during their duty overseas and in the jungles and, you know, creeping through Camp Lajeune and Fort Bragg and places like that. Dr Lee Merritt: And then we knock down that part of their immune system that now keeps their parasites and check boom, they die of parasites. And we call it cancer cuz we've been told that when you see these masses all over you, it's not, it's cancer or not, oh, we don't, we don't know what causes cancer, [00:32:00] but it's cancer. Dr Lee Merritt: We never look at, see if it's actually intracellular parasites. So that's one the whole line of, of thinking. But the these, that's what they do. And another thing is they have to tell you what they're going to do. So here's an interesting point cuz if I tell you what I'm going to do and then you make the choice to do it, it's not my fault. Dr Lee Merritt: You've chosen your path and you are responsible. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Are you talking about the poison? Yeah. Are you talking about the poison apple? What? Dr Lee Merritt: That's kinda like the poison apple expedition. So, so here's the deal. In, in, when, when they said to you there's a virus breaking out in, in Wuhan China, it's bad. It's killing people. Dr Lee Merritt: That virus has moved now to Lombardi and now the virus has come to America and the virus is doing this and the virus is doing that. These people understand language. Okay. They do word, it's Babylonian word, magic and money. Magic. And what does virus mean in Latin, it means toxin or poison. It does not mean an airborne particle that flies out and is somewhat [00:33:00] alive and goes to you and makes you sick. Dr Lee Merritt: That is not what virus means. It means poison. So they were right. There's a poison breaking out. Let's just re reiterate this. It's a poison breaking out in, in, in China and Lombardi and New York. And if we start looking at that, we won't be. The reason this is even important, it's not just an academic exercise, but if we keep believing that these things are unrelated, this talk of Marburg and then there was monkeypox, remember the Monkeypox even that they couldn't sell to a lot of people that would normally, that may have bought into this other vaccine that was so crazy. Dr Lee Merritt: You know, there's just all these different things they're now trying to tell you that are going to be coming on and it's gonna be the pa. We have a pandemic every two weeks at almost now. It's like we're worried about this now. We're worried about that now. Oh, I know what the fungus among us. Okay. I love that one. Dr Lee Merritt: The, the, the new fungus. It has a 60% fatality rate. Oh my gosh. Set your hair on fire. Be afraid until you read the CDC actual article. And at the very bottom it says, normal people [00:34:00] don't get fung this fungus. In other words, if you're normal immune system, you don't get it. The reason that they're telling you, trying to make you think that it's kind of natural is because they don't want to have to admit it's the vaccines knocking down your immune system. Dr Lee Merritt: And these people who have taken multiple vaccines are getting essentially vs vaccine aids vaccine induced or, you know, acquired immunodeficiency. And, and it, and, and that is exactly what happened to the AIDS victims. Remember first they were vaccinated in an experimental hepatitis B vaccine, and six months later in those same cities where the, the gay population volunteered for that study, the AIDS broke out in the gay populations. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay. And then they gave them a z t, which was a toxic drug. The, the people like Magic Johnson didn't take it. They just, you know, pretended to, I guess, for the money. But I know, I know somebody that treated him. He, he wasn't on it or isn't on it. And because it made him sick and he quit taking it right away. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay? So the people that are [00:35:00] smart, they're not, they didn't take that. And, and what happened is the people that took it though, it damaged their immune system further. And then they in the process of dying and all the bad things that happened to those poor guys, they they got Pneumocystic, Caria, one of these opportunistic fungi. Dr Lee Merritt: Fungi. So the fungus among us is an opportunistic thing that won't damage normal people. They have to, they have to get your immune system softened up first. This is the, Dr Lee Merritt: that's it. Dr Lee Merritt: Absolutely. Just, just being in lockdown. You know? Why do, why do we, and this, this, I'm gonna tell you, this is, I learned this from studying the 1918 faux pandemic also started at an army base. I mean, it was just, it had nothing to do with a, a, a non-existent virus. It had everything to do with electromagnetic wavelengths and [00:36:00] vaccines. Dr Lee Merritt: So the people that died were people that took the vaccines according to eyewitness reports on the ground. Okay? So yeah, that's what this is. This is, this is about the same. And they're doing every time they do that, if you notice, every time we have these, these. Kind of problems. Why do we have a winter death season? Dr Lee Merritt: And why did lockdown make make it worse? Because in the winter we're not getting sunlight. You know, you and I were lied to in medical school. I know. I I don't even have to ask you because I know that they didn't tell you this because they told us, oh, you're not plants. You don't get any direct energy from the sunlight. Dr Lee Merritt: I'm sure they told you that, right? It only from your food. Dr Sam Sigoloff: But what's wild is I just, I recently learned in the past few weeks that we have photoreceptors in almost every cell in our body, in our mitochondria. And you can do photo biomodulation where you can use a specific wavelength of, it's, it's in the infrared red spectrum. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And you can actually affect and heal mitochondria with a laser deep inside your body, like in the brain. You can penetrate [00:37:00] through the brain. Through, through the skull, the skin, everything. Dr Lee Merritt: And that's the basis of these infrared lasers, right? That do heart, they actually help you recover from heart attacks and things. Dr Lee Merritt: So this has been known, again, part of, you know, the Dark Cult. A cult just means hidden the dark cult of these people that run this show. They know these things. They know better how the world works, how our bodies work. They know we're wavelength, we are creatures of light. We're God's creation of by energy. Dr Lee Merritt: And we appear like this because we're caught in Satan's realm, in this reality situation where we're, we are real, we're, we're, we can be damaged, but. Infrared seems to be the answer. It's on the, the deaths photons. Remember, were ultraviolet. The other end of the spectrum, the infrared is what you get when you go out in the sun in the, in the summer, right? Dr Lee Merritt: You get a lot of infrared in radiation. And what that does is it charges literally, not just the mitochondria here, energy production, but it charges up the cells in your ba your battery's charge differentiation in all the [00:38:00] cells. So every cell in your body is filled with like gelatin. It's not water in a loose form, it's gel water, and you have a charge differential that helps you get rid of toxins. Dr Lee Merritt: You, you know, so the toxin comes in and your body will wall it off with, this has actually been very clearly proven up by Dr. Pollock up in, in, in Washington University, and it walls off the toxin with separation of charge and pushes it outta the cell, just like we would do in the lab with a gel electrophoresis. Dr Lee Merritt: That's how you know how things move. So, We, we, we, Dr Sam Sigoloff: one thing that I wanna, I wanna get to real quick is go back and look at my episode when we're filming this. It is not published, but by the time this comes out, it will be episode 79 with Dr Manuel Ricio and how he talks about chlorine dioxide. And I'm not saying you should take chlorine dioxide, but listen to how he explains it. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Learn about it. See if it's right for you. Because what he says is that it, it, it, he says the same thing that we are energy and the chlorine dioxide balances that energy out. Whether you're [00:39:00] acidic or you're basic. Dr Lee Merritt: It has, it has something, whatever, whatever chlorine dioxide does. And I, I'm like you, I don't tell people to use it cuz I don't wanna go to jail. Dr Lee Merritt: Okay. They really wanna hide that one. But I do it, I take it myself every day. I'm on 10 drops a day. You don't start there. But that's, that's, I, I love it. And I never get sick traveling anymore, but I also live by the sun cycle because the problem is why do we have a winter flu season? We never used to have a winter flu season until we laid down the telegram lines. Dr Lee Merritt: So. The electrification of our ionosphere and our atmosphere has made a big difference. You know, flu used to break out around the world every decade or three decades, ba and it was completely the sun cycle. It happened when there was a high energy bo bolus from the sun. And in fact, not too long ago, we just had a burst. Dr Lee Merritt: One of those, I don't know, the g the, the astrophysicists call it something, it's some kind of sunburst that, that, that made a big flare. And, and I, and, and I had about 10 people say, Hey, I got a sudden cough. Do you think I'm getting covid? I said, no, you just got [00:40:00] flared on after about 10 called, I figured out what was going on. Dr Lee Merritt: So it still bothers us, but we don't notice it. In the winter though, what happens is not only are we in this hyper electric environment that we never used to be in, our ancestors never used to be in, made worse by things like windmills and all sorts of stuff, not just cell phones. But the second thing is yeah, at an arm's length away from you, I hope. Dr Lee Merritt: And the second thing is that we don't get out in the sun in the winter. So, We, our batteries literally over time get discharged and about by January the, the, the most frail people among us earlier in the season are gonna start getting sick and die because they've got toxins and now they can't expel them. Dr Lee Merritt: So our answer's not a vaccine. In fact, the vaccine makes it worse, right? You get the flu vaccine and then three months later people start dying. That's not also by accident. So what we have to realize is we can take charge of our own body and our own life by just living by the sun cycle. The infrared saunas are great in the winter, you know, in the summer, get out in the light.[00:41:00] Dr Lee Merritt: Other things along this line. How many people do you know? Now they're suddenly sun gazing, you know, take off your glasses and go out and literally stare at the sun. And I, I thought this sounded crazy cuz we are always taught in medical school, oh, that's gonna give you cataracts and damage your vision. Dr Lee Merritt: It turns out people that are doing this, including well-trained physicians are finding their, their over time, their vision is getting better. Now, don't go out and just stare at the sun for an hour. You're gonna burn your retina. But if you do it in a proper way and you start like doing it when the sun is, is not so bright, or it's in the morning or the evening, or you look through i, you do it through stippled trees and things, things you're get, there's a reason we're supposed to be getting that. Dr Lee Merritt: But they've told us we're sunglasses. Slather yourself with sunscreen. They don't want us to get sun exposure. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I think for the sun gazing, I've broached that subject briefly. I haven't had enough time to pour into it, but I believe the time that people do it is not midday sun. It's morning [00:42:00] when the sun's just coming up and evening when the sun's setting. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And it has to do with gazing upon that, that long focal distance and it really calms you is what I hear. And you know, I live in Arizona now and it's, I'm pretty calm, like I can see and I can see forever and I don't feel claustrophobic. I lived in Alaska and in that tiny house where it's dark and it's dark all winter and it's dark inside. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And cuz the log cabins don't have adequate lighting. No matter how much you do it, it, it's, it's just so much more relaxing being here. Yeah. Dr Lee Merritt: Now it's funny, I'm multiple, I'm in Iowa and I moved back. When I retired from my spine practice, I moved back from Arizona to Iowa because I couldn't stand those perfectly sunny days Every day I had to have four seasons. Dr Lee Merritt: I had to have snow, I had to have some dark. So, you know, but, but I make sure now. That I have an infrared sauna in the house, in the, in the winter. And I use it, I mean, we didn't get sick the year of covid, cuz we just got in the infrared sauna every night. And you know, 20 minutes at 130 degrees, you don't have to spend your life in there.[00:43:00] Dr Lee Merritt: You can read in there, you can do things in there and, and you just, you'll start sweating. You'll start really feeling the effects, but it helps you get the toxins out and it helps you charge up your batteries. And that's what's, that's what's key. We are, we are electromagnetic beings. Now. The chlorine dioxide just happens to have, it's very interesting. Dr Lee Merritt: It's like God's miracle molecule because it has a very specific disci energy of dissociation. You know, it, it, like Clorox, everybody wants to call this bleach. It's not Clorox. Yes, it's an oxidizer, but it's also a, it'll corrode things because the, the energy of dissociation is very high. And if you look at all these different things that could be potentially used, like for sanitation, All of them except chlorine dioxide have a very high dissociative volt voltage, not chlorine dioxide. Dr Lee Merritt: So chlorine dioxide can be used and it doesn't, it doesn't do the bad things that you would think if you were drinking bleach. I mean, that's the point. People make a fun of it. It's not true. [00:44:00] But again, electromagnetics. So I think we should be looking at that as not only can they produce disease just with electromagnetism they've shown, but they can certainly be specific and they can target it. Dr Lee Merritt: And I have a, I don't know, do you wanna, have you heard of this guy? Let me see if I can find this video. Just really quick. I, I, cuz I keep forgetting his name. His name is Pierre Gilbert. Dr Sam Sigoloff: While you're looking for, Well, you're looking for that. Go. I wanna encourage the listener to the viewer to go back to, I think it's episode 54 that you and I did together when we talked about EMF and we got pretty deep into it really good information in that episode. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. And that's when we started talking about having the tri field meter and, and how you can avoid it. And I, and I, I don't know, I think I had, I knew about this and then, but the the EMF saw people, they have, they have bioassays to show their stuff works. Yes. That's same thing. Exactly. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And I, I have one on the back of my phone and I don't know if it's made a difference. Dr Sam Sigoloff: I put one on the house as well. I [00:45:00] will say that everyone in the house has just been a bit more calm. Dr Lee Merritt: No, I think it makes a huge difference sometimes on the house. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Like everyone was kind of on edge before and now everyone's just. Dr Lee Merritt: And that is the simple, the, the on being on edge is one of the symptoms that they understood back in the 18 hundreds when they called it neurasthenia. Dr Lee Merritt: That's what neurasthenia was. It was associated with the electrification. It was otherwise called telegraph disease because people that were working in the telegram offices in the 18 hundreds and in underneath the telegram lines, like conductors on trains, they all started getting this nervous jitteryness. Dr Lee Merritt: Not all of them, but some of them. And it's somewhat genetically. I mean, some people are more susceptible, but they found if they took a big long twist on the telegram line of the copper wire, it went away or pretty much got better. So yeah, I think you're completely right by saying it's probably calmed your family down in the house. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Another thing that's interesting that kind of goes along with this, but it's a, it's a different topic that, of an episode that will be published by the time this [00:46:00] one comes out, but it's where I talk with flat Earth Dave and we talk about the Corliss effect and the he's, he. Says that the reason the Corola effect is around the equator is because the sun is, listen to it, it's gonna sound crazy. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And me talking about it, he gives very good evidence and he's got pictures and, and graphics and all this, but he says that the sun is much, much, much closer than we think it is. It's, it looks like it's right there because it is right there. And as it goes through the air, over the equator, and as the moon goes over the air, over the equator, it, it causes an electromagnetic wake in its path. Dr Sam Sigoloff: And he said, you know, just like when you take your hand through water, there's. Two vortexes on either side of it. Dr Lee Merritt: Wow. Yeah. I, I, I have to say the flat earth guys, they make some good arguments. They really do make some good arguments. My problem is, and I don't think, by the way, I'm, I'm with them on the scam of nasa. Dr Lee Merritt: As I said earlier, NASA is a black, but that doesn't mean we [00:47:00] didn't go to the moon using different technology. So the question I have for you is is he, does he believe in aliens that come from other places in the universe? Dr Sam Sigoloff: We didn't talk about aliens at all actually, cuz I think he wanted to keep it YouTube friendly so that it doesn't get yanked off a YouTube. Dr Sam Sigoloff: We did talk about the moon, we did talk about nasa. Dr Lee Merritt: Now aliens will get you new Dr Sam Sigoloff: challenger in particular. I'm, I'm, I'm just questioning aliens now will get you off YouTube. I don't know. I don't know. I just got, I didn't in. My interview with Kirk, with Dr. Kirk Moore got yanked off within two days, and that was just him telling his personal story of what happened. Dr Sam Sigoloff: No treatment, no, this, that or the other. No. Covid misinformation. Dr Lee Merritt: I've been meaning to call him. Yeah. Yeah. You sent me the information. I I really want to interview him. That guy has really a good story. Yeah. He's a hero. Yeah, he is. It's he's a hero. Well, and it is. That's why I'm saying it's very interesting. Dr Lee Merritt: So he must be saying something that is really damaging to [00:48:00] them or that it's, it's, it, it's provable in such a way that they don't want it to be out there. Because that was my experience. One of the things that kind of woke me up is that I didn't, I'm according to Steve Ksh, he says I'm the only person he knows. Dr Lee Merritt: It got demonetized from ck but it wasn't about talking about genetics or CRISPR dna, n a modification or r n a vaccines. It was when I started talking about that these are wavelength weapons. Not, not r n a weapons. That's when it got me. They, they literally sent the money back to my subscribers, thousands of dollars. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. So it wasn't just a random Oh, your credit check didn't go through. Or, you know, I mean, you could say, oh yeah, I know you didn't have a PayPal account or something. No, I did. I did. But they, PayPal, I got, I got demonetized from PayPal long before I tried to be on ck. So it's interesting. I mean that, so, so he must be speaking words that are dangerous to them. Dr Lee Merritt: That's what you gotta conclude there. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, you have to remember, he was indicted for destruction of government property. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:00] But that, that, again, as growing up in the Vietnam generation that used to put you on front news as a hero. Oh, you know, Daniel Berrigan and the you know, the Pentagon Papers and all that kind of stuff were taken down the army Vietnam effort that used to be You were a hero to do that now. No, Dr Sam Sigoloff: and he saved lives. He saved children's lives, and they had a sting operation to figure this out. It's just, it's mind boggling. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Absolutely. And, and yeah, I have to talk with him because it's interesting. I mean, that, that took guts to do that. To just not give, to pretend to give the vaccine and not give the vaccine. Dr Sam Sigoloff: So, and, and for anyone out there who's like, oh what about the parents? They paid for? The parents knew a hundred percent what he was doing. This was what they wanted because they didn't want their child to get this poison shot. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that part, but I was pretty sure that was probably true because if you're an ethical physician, you are going to [00:50:00] give informed consent. Dr Lee Merritt: Why did you get into trouble trying to give informed consent? Right. How did Pete Chambers get, get canned informed consent? They didn't want us actually looking into what we had to know to do informed consent. And that's why at the end of the day when we talk about what's in these vaccines, everybody should keep in mind that they still don't tell us what's in them. Dr Lee Merritt: We still don't have any official notice by Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, anybody telling us what are the actual things in here, right? Dr Sam Sigoloff: The things that we know are in there are, are bad enough. These, these lipid nanoparticles that they say are in there, those are disastrous. They're not validated for human use. Dr Lee Merritt: Right? And they knew they were disastrous in 2018, but then that literature went black. So you went quiet cuz they were gonna weaponize it. Yeah. Dr Sam Sigoloff: Well, I found a patent from 2014 that showed they were disastrous. That they sh, that they caused disseminated intravascular coagulation or dic. They caused autoimmune disorders. Dr Sam Sigoloff: They caused all these [00:51:00] problems in 2014. Dr Lee Merritt: Yes. Yeah, they, they knew. And that's, if you, again, it's very interesting cuz I went back and read that old literature, and, and you probably know this, but just for your listeners, that if you read the, the, the vaccine literature, they say, oh, these cat lipids are great. Dr Lee Merritt: They, they help stimulate the immune system and we don't see a lot of problems with them. But then you read the cancer and the basic science guy's literature about this stuff and they say, they say, yeah, you know, there's potential to use all this stuff for, for medical dosing and this cation, but these cationic lipids are so toxic and we just can't seem to work it out. Dr Lee Merritt: And then all of that literature gets quiet after 2018. Dr Sam Sigoloff: That's one thing that, that the medical community seems to think that, oh, we made antibodies, it must be good. Well, scarlet fever is also antibodies. Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, yeah. No antibodies. Antibodies are your body trying to react to something that's toxic. Yeah. And, and honestly, if you really start looking at the [00:52:00] history of vaccines, it, the whole thing was corrupt. Dr Lee Merritt: And, and I started, I, I'm sorry. I vaccinated my kids when they were little. You know, again, I, I wouldn't do it again, but I believed in all this stuff. That's what they told. And, and he, I, I believed it. Even though, even though I remember in 1976, my pediatric professor of medic pediatrics in, at the University of Rochester, he got up in front of the class. Dr Lee Merritt: This is when you're doing your pre-clinicals, and he said, and he showed us the graphs of the decrease in death in America. From, from vaccine of childhood diseases, and it was minuscule by the time they instituted, for example, the measles vaccine, the kids weren't dying of measles. It was extremely rare, like 200 a year, 250 a year. Dr Lee Merritt: So and, and, and, and we can now show if you give people vitamin A, vitamin D give 'em a better diet. But what his comment was is

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We did a full workup center for the appropriate tests. I never saw her back. I did receive a letter about a month and a half later from the Texas Medical Board. Dr. Eric Hensen: They were investigating me for not wearing a mask, of course was a surprise to me cause I didn't think that I had to wear one in my own office. I'm in PR practice. Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff where He can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr. Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you for joining me again. I wanna first thank my Patreon supporters Shell Pace at the Self-made $50 [00:01:00] level. I have Sam and Angela Sheey at the $20 and 20 cents. We have the Pandemic Reprimand at $17 and 76 cents Tier with Ty Charles Tinfoil. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Stanley, Dr. Anna, who is a guest on this show, Frank, we have a self-made $10 level with Kevin. We have the refined, not burned at $5 with Lin, Linda, Emmy, Joe Patten, Bev, pj, Rebecca, Marcus, Elizabeth, Dawn, Jennifer, and the courage is contagious at $1. Amanda J sps, Nancy Dorell, Susan. BB King, who is a guest. And Rick, thank you so much for, for supporting, for giving me help. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I try to get these episodes out to y'all much sooner than everyone else gets to see them, so you get some early access. Today I have a wonderful guest. I have Eric Henson, and what's really unique about his case is, I've spoke to a doctor who's, who is being indicted for, for destruction of government property. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well Dr. Henson actually lost his medical license for a period of time in the state [00:02:00] of Texas, which is allegedly a red, what people think is a red state. But what I've learned over the past few years is that it is, it is not conservative. There is very little conservatism in the state of Texas. So, sir, wonderful having you on. Dr. Eric Hensen: I appreciate being here. Thanks for having me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Tell us some of your story. What happened? How did, how did the whole thing Dr. Eric Hensen: unfold? So, back in 2020 when this so-called pandemic, which I refer to as the scam started, it was in the spring when things were starting to roll. The Governor of Texas being Greg Abbott issued a mask mandate. Dr. Eric Hensen: And that proceeded to go for about four months or so until it got dropped in the, in the fall. But during that time, in July of 20, I saw a patient in the office for balance issues both dizziness and vertigo and So what ended up happening is, is [00:03:00] that we did a full workup and sent her for the appropriate tests. Dr. Eric Hensen: I never saw her back. I did receive a letter about a month and a half later from the Texas Medical Board indicating that they were investigating me for not wearing a mask. Which of course was a surprise to me cause I didn't think that I had to wear one in my own office, which is I'm in PR practice. Dr. Eric Hensen: The reason that this individual came to me is I'm an ear, nose, and throat and head neck surgeon, and I obviously treat balance disorders. So what ended up happening is we responded to. Indicating that that, you know, it was not appropriate for me to wear a mask. I cannot examine patients who wear masks because of my specialty. Dr. Eric Hensen: We also explained that in our county we had less than 20 cases. And per the, per the mandate, if you had less than 20 cases you were not required to wear one. Which obviously went nowhere. And so we ended up having lawyers involved, which, you know, we were going back and forth with the medical board. Dr. Eric Hensen: [00:04:00] Unfortunately, during that time, my attorney at the time, his father had a hemorrhagic stroke and ended up being the hospital, so was spending time to. We missed what, what they indicated was some sort of deadline and we tried to tell 'em that, you know, my lawyer is tied up with this. You're gonna have to get more time for us to respond to what I refer to as ridiculous, you know, charges. Dr. Eric Hensen: And they subsequently ignored that. And I was brought to, I was called to a meeting in the spring of 21, I believe it was in may. And during that time they asked me what, you know, why I did what I did. And prior to that we had submitted probably 50 years of science and I went through the. What it was, why we did it and, and everything. Dr. Eric Hensen: And of course this is my to borrow friend's phrase. This is my sandbox. This is where I play. And so I went through everything and the only physician that was on the [00:05:00] board, oddly enough, was an obstetrician, which is ridiculous because he is not even an doctor, even a little bit. Other than being a surgeon, he had no clue what he was talking about within my area. Dr. Eric Hensen: I, you know, here, here we're. So within about five minutes after they went and deliberated they came back and said, you're guilty. You didn't follow our mandate and, and a rule, and we don't care about the science. We don't care about your patients. And they actually said that too, which I was shocked. Dr. Eric Hensen: So we ended up fighting it for about. Three or four months pushing it around. We ended up getting hold of an attorney who used to work for the medical board. We thought we've got somebody here that's got some inside baseball. He'll go ahead and. Prior to them sensing me or, or, or giving me my punishment which was a $500 fine. Dr. Eric Hensen: Do CMEs outside my specialty, retake the jurisprudence test and then go ahead with and then they put on my [00:06:00] website that I was an unprofessional doctor and I deceive my patients, which is what really torque me cuz it was affecting them, the business. So prior to them doing that you had this Shelly Luther case in Texas where the hairdresser lady got put in jail for trying to keep her business open and trying to make a living. Dr. Eric Hensen: Well, the governor subsequently rescinded not only the mandate, but also all penalties, which should have wiped everything down. But the medical board would not stop. I mean, they came hard. So in, in October they threatened to not only report me to the National Practitioner's Bank, they report they were threatened to take me to court and then go after my license. Dr. Eric Hensen: So we I made a judgment call to extend this out as far as I could because I couldn't lose the practice. I wouldn't be able to fight. I would've no income, had no money. I wouldn't be able to get my license at any other state. So we cite a document, which was an a non-disciplinary meeting. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What does it mean when they report you to the NA National Practitioner Data Bank? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What does that mean for the [00:07:00] layperson? Dr. Eric Hensen: So basically what that is, is a clearing house for all of us, yourself included, where if you do something wrong, you get suspended, you get in trouble for something felonies, whatever, have it. They report you to it. And then now insurance companies other states have access to it where you may have licenses. Dr. Eric Hensen: And then what they do is that they can use that against you, which is what they're doing to me right now. One of my insurances has dropped me and we're fighting to get it back because it obviously has nothing to do with medical or surgical. And of course the lawyers are involved and we're writing letters to try to get that taken care of. Dr. Eric Hensen: They also I have, I have multiple licenses in other states. And I've had to explain to them what this is about. I'm sure they, I'm sure it's a joke to them because it's over a mask that nobody wants. In particular, it was Florida, which is where we, you know, where Governor DeSantis thinks that this is all a crock. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so that is a, that's a big bruise and a big black eye and a lot of physicians. Cuz once you get it there, it's virtually impossible to get everything cleaned up though. [00:08:00] We'll use this to our advantage, I believe in court. Cause they had no right to do it. It was a non-disciplinary. Action what what they supposedly tagged me with, and it didn't even exist at the time that they did tag me for this. Dr. Eric Hensen: So with all that being said, in the once I didn't fulfill their all their agreement that I said I would do, We had another meeting in April of this year, a couple weeks ago, and they wanted, again, know why I didn't do it. I explained to 'em, you know, I'm in a private practice. We do not have time for this. Dr. Eric Hensen: I don't think it's right. We explain the law, we explained everything that this is. I have a right as a physician to make a judgment call on what I do. Regarding you know, my medical practice, as long as it's within the standard of care and is not hurting anybody, you and I as physicians have a right to make that, and that's a law and it's well documented in, in case law, especially in Texas. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so we, we presented that [00:09:00] and all they said to me is that we don't care. You didn't follow our, you know, what you signed the, the document you signed to, to do it. And what was even more of a joke, like the first meeting we had is the physician that was on there wasn't a head and neck surgeon, wasn't a pulmonologist, was no airway person at all. Dr. Eric Hensen: He actually asked me, how do you, you know, he said, well, you say that masks do harm. And I said, yeah, they do harm. And he said, well, how do they do harm? Explain that to me. And I was frightened by that comment. Because we had already given them, you know, decades of, of science. I now went back even a hundred years to the Spanish flu pandemic. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I went through everything. I went through all the articles from ran, ran court to Mehan to Russell Blaylock article. And then of course the Cochran Report, which was just recently came out, which was supposed to be published in early 2020, which would've put all this to bed. But Bill Gates had donated, I believe, 1.5 million to that, to the Cochran report. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so the [00:10:00] editor held up the the report being published which was, I think research was done by Jefferson and his colleagues. So subsequently they deliberated for about two minutes, came back and said, we'll, suspend your license because you didn't do anything that you asked to do. A couple, three days later, some things got done, lawyers got involved. Dr. Eric Hensen: And as of the following Monday, I received my license back. I was subsequently back at the hospital operating. But unfortunately the following week, I'm now suspended from that hospital because of everything that happened. Even though it has nothing to do with medical or surgical, nothing. It's over a mask that I'm right on and the literature backs me up and the law backs me up. Dr. Eric Hensen: So this is, this is the overreach of government. Why, you know, myself, you and other physicians have to fight so hard. Cause if they get, if they're allowed to do this, there's no, there's no going back. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right. First they come for us and they control us and they, they [00:11:00] use the chilling effect to silence people like you and me so that no doctor ever speaks their mind, and then we never get the truth. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then everyone is a controlled sheep. Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I've been, I've had people go after me for the for telling people not to get the shot. My background may be like yours too. My background is in molecular biology, and so I did a lot of genetic work and I remember, you know, all, everything that was going on. Dr. Eric Hensen: We were doing studies back in the eighties. On all of this, and when this was starting to come out, I warned everybody, do not get this. This is not a vaccine, this is genetic therapy, and we don't know where those genes are gonna go once they're starting to be made and now you're seeing the damage for it. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I had a gentleman yesterday in my office that I normally take off in occasional skin cancer here and there. He now has chronic lymphocytic leukemia, which is now a known problem with the shot. I've got articles on that. He's now got tumors all over his skin everywhere. Squamous cell, [00:12:00] basil, you name it, he's got it. Dr. Eric Hensen: He's lost probably about 90 pounds since the last time I saw him, and that was probably four months ago. This man is an absolute wreck and he's had five shots. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow, that's just incredible. You know, in, in a declaration that I made for the, for Senator Ron Johnson about the DMed data in there I put some information about a patent that I found from 2014 where they used, it was a slightly different nomenclature back then. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They didn't call it lipid nanoparticles, but they were long chain hydrocarbons, which are the same thing, and they saw that it suppressed the immune system. Well, this is what happens when you suppress the immune system. You get cancers, you get parasites, you get infections, you get all these terrible things. Dr. Eric Hensen: Well, and that's exactly what happened. I tried to tell my patients, I talked about the toll lake receptors three and four, which is your monitoring system for cancer, and then toll lake receptor seven and eight, which are for infection, which you just mentioned. When I tell, I tell [00:13:00] people I, I liken the, to like receptor part of our immune system to that of an alarm system for your, for your immune system. Dr. Eric Hensen: Basically, if that's turned off, these things will run rampant. You no longer have anything monitoring in your body and you're starting to see the damage from this. I've got people showing up that have infections all around their mouth. We got herpes. I've got fungal infections that are just out of, no in ru otherwise healthy people. Dr. Eric Hensen: What I'm also seeing now is a lot of oral cancer that is H P B positive, which is, you know, and we test that when, when we do biopsies, we get what's called a a P 16 and what we're seeing now is an increase in hpv squamous cell carcinoma in the head and neck. Which would be secondary to turning off the ability to eat, monitor cancer, but also for viruses, which is the toll-like receptor. Dr. Eric Hensen: It's, this is an absolute disaster. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And they knew this back in 2014 when that patent was made. And, and even d i c disseminated, intravascular coagulation was, was found in there. [00:14:00] Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah. In fact, I have stuff from 2000 and I think in 2001 and 2002, where they were doing studies with this particular type of therapy and not one animal survived the study. Dr. Eric Hensen: All of them died. Half of 'em died within the first, I think few days. The other half were sterilized and the rest of 'em subsequently succumb to the to disease after. So we know that this is we know this is not working, and, and we knew it back then. That was 20 years ago. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, you know, we talk about the genetic therapy, which is a problem, but I think that's half or less of the problem. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I think the other half or more than half is these lipid nanoparticles. They're not validated for human use. And that's, Nope, that's the problem I'm having is I, I actually have a meeting before the Texas Med Board because I was unprofessional and gave misleading information, which is straight from the safety data sheet from the manufacturer that says that these are not validated for human use. Dr. Eric Hensen: And you'll bring that to [00:15:00] 'em, just like what they're doing to you. They're doing to me. Same thing. Unprofessional. You're deceiving your patients. And this is, these are just terms or phrases that they use to get you and how, and how they go after people. And I think, you know, talking to the people, I've been doing some of the investigator investigative reporters and even when I was on Glen Beck I brought all this stuff up and this is, this needs to be brought to light because the, the medical board is actually outta control. Dr. Eric Hensen: I don't know if you're familiar with Bob. He's a senator. He's not my senator. Oddly enough, my own senator has never. Contacted me. But my point is, is that it's, it's a resource for you to call Bob Hall who has actually been fighting the medical board. I actually think they hate him more than they hate me. Dr. Eric Hensen: And they, they just it just, it's out of control. And these people need to be slapped down. They are not, they're, they're not serious people. I have yet to run into a doctor. At that board, that is a, in my [00:16:00] specialty, probably not into yours and would have any, have any idea what's going on. They just get appointed, they get there. Dr. Eric Hensen: It's something to put on their resume. And they make these judgment calls based on these silly rules that they come up with, or these, these man these mandates that, that politicians come up with. It, it something humorous. I had a patient yesterday in my office contact the governor's office and asked for Dr. Dr. Eric Hensen: Abt and, you know, the person answered the phone and said, well, doc, or governor Abbott is not a doctor. He said, well, then why did he make this man a mask mandate? And override my own physician, Dr. Henson's, you know authority on masks. I mean, this is how silly this has gotten. So technically these people are practicing medicine without a license where you and I, you know, do have licenses. Dr. Eric Hensen: We went to school, we passed all of our resident or our we did residencies, and we passed all of our boards. And I still don't understand why we have. State medical boards that have to grant us our license. I don't get my, I I, they had nothing to do with me getting my medical license, getting my residency and [00:17:00] passing my boards. Dr. Eric Hensen: I, I don't understand why we have these. I refer to 'em as basically money laundering or a shakedown. That's why that's they get money from us for no reason. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. And they're, they're like the gpo they, they gave nothing in, but yet they can take everything away. They can limit our life, liberty, and property without due process. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's exactly what's happening to me. And it already happened to you. Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah. And, and in fact, that's, and, and that's, I mean, they're, they are, They're going after your first and your Ninth amendments. And I, and I highly recommend if, and I'm sure you and your lawyers already know this, but we're going after for going after my first amendment, right? Dr. Eric Hensen: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of well it used to be life, liberty, pursuit of property. Now they say happiness, but it's actually property originally, you know, and then of course the ninth Amendment. And it, it's unbelievable that they have this there is now some groundswell of. Going after the Federation of State Medical Boards because they are not a government agency and to, and what they're doing is they're going between, you [00:18:00] know, the specialty boards and the federation, and that's a RICO violation. Dr. Eric Hensen: So if we can get multiple doctors in multiple things in multiple states, we can go after this and bring these down, bring these people down once and for all. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That'd be great to be able to do that, to get the Ricoh Act. Because that's what they are. They're, they're racketeering, they're, they're not using rule of law. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They're just a, a bunch of thugs. Dr. Eric Hensen: Yeah. They come up with these rules that they're not based on anything. And you and I have to base all what we do in science. Everything has to be done. And, and even when I go to surgery, I have to go over the criteria for surgery. Why I'm making this call, what are the risks and benefits? Dr. Eric Hensen: And I, and I'll explain to him where it all comes from and why I have criteria. And this criteria is based in, in a lot of studies and a lot of research. They just come up with things and they came up with this mass thing, or they came up with this supposed, you know, vaccine, which it's not in an experimental gene therapy shot that we now know is killing people and [00:19:00] causing ex exceedingly large amounts of morbidity and yet nobody wants to turn this thing off. Dr. Eric Hensen: It is shocking to me. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So what's helped you change the tie to at least get your license back even though you're now suspended at a hospital that you were practicing at? Dr. Eric Hensen: So what ended up happening, they wanted me to do the, they, they wanted me to do three things. Well, they took $500 from me right away, which that irritated me. Dr. Eric Hensen: No end. But then they wanted me to take the jurisprudence test, which did get magically done, and then they wanted some CMEs. But prior to us doing any of this or getting that information to them, they changed the rules at the very end, which I think being on Glenn Beck probably helped. What they said was, is that okay if you just do the Jewish prudence test? Dr. Eric Hensen: We'll give your license back within within 24 hours. So what ended up happening is I had my lawyer call a lawyer at the Texas Medical Board, who, I'm not sure if he's still there, but his father is a physician. So he was somewhat understanding of, of the ridiculousness of this. And he talked with that [00:20:00] particular attorney at the board and said, okay, if he just does this, we'll give him his license back. Dr. Eric Hensen: Well, what the clowns did is they went ahead and still reported it to everything, which is now what's causing most of the damage. Including the hospital. The hospital's mad because they said you operated without a license, which I didn't. We did a screenshot on Wednesday, which was my surgical day showing at 10 o'clock in the morning or thereabouts. Dr. Eric Hensen: My license was still intact as per the Texas Medical Board website, so I had every right to do it, and I was going to operate because I had a gentleman that we admitted to the hospital the night before. For coagulation therapy. He is in renal, excuse me, in kidney failure. I'm sorry. Liver failure, he has cirrhosis. Dr. Eric Hensen: So in order for me to do the the operation, we had to get him on fresh, frozen plasma and platelets and whatnot. So we met him the night before. So because he had a growth in his airway, which was narrowing his airway. So I, I, you know, I moved forward with what was right for the patient. As of the following day, my license had not been [00:21:00] suspended per their, their medical board. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so we went forward. Well, what ended up happening is the hospital said, well, you operated knowing that your license was suspended. No, it wasn't. There was no clarification. The medical board has two things that they were doing. If you were a danger to your patients in society, then they were taken immediately. Dr. Eric Hensen: If there was a, a reason, like say you didn't do CMEs, you didn't do the jurisprudence test, whatever, then there would be a, a draw down to get rid of it, especially for a surgical practice. And so we had called him immediately and said, we need a clarification on this because he has this case tomorrow, plus other ones and whether or not to proceed. Dr. Eric Hensen: And we, we didn't get a call back. So we have all this documentation that we tried to give 'em a call, but no one called me back. And so we went ahead and moved forward based on what had been, what the historical information was and the fact that they had not on my on the profile, on my, on the Texas Medical [00:22:00] Board website, I was still, my license was still intact. Dr. Eric Hensen: So, The hospital of course lost their mind and said, oh, you couldn't do this. You shouldn't have operated. But we proved to 'em that I still had a license at the time. So, but they didn't the following week. Then they said, well, we're gonna suspend you now. Well, you can't suspend me now because if you suspend me because I was a danger, then that wasn't the case. Dr. Eric Hensen: You shouldn't let me operate last week, and they shouldn't have suspended me now because all my license and my insurance and everything is intact now. So what are you suspending me for? And we've sent 'em letters and a lawyer sent 'em a letter and they haven't responded. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You had mentioned you took the jurisprudence test and if I remember correctly, isn't that test it's not inexpensive, isn't it? Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Isn't it about a thousand dollars? Dr. Eric Hensen: I, I don't know what the cost was at the time. I know the first time I took it, it was around that much. And when I took it several years ago, you couldn't do it online. Now you can do it online. When I did, I, I actually got sequestered. I had to go into a testing center and they put us in a [00:23:00] little room in cubicle and they had people in there monitoring it, which was just ridiculous. Dr. Eric Hensen: Now you can take it online everything was done through the office. As far as what the cost was, and you bring up a good point because the largest fine that the Texas Medical Board, based on all these things that they're going after me for and you for is a thousand dollars. That's it. And I guarantee it. Dr. Eric Hensen: I am way past a thousand dollars on what this has costed me so far. So they have way stepped over their boundaries and what they are supposed to do. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I'm in the 70 K range so far with no end in sight in that, about to grow exponentially very quickly because I'm fighting the Texas Med Board. Dr. Eric Hensen: I haven't even gotten my lawyer bill from the first lawyer. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I can tell you the first round was 25, 30,000. And, you know, having a brand new practice that I took over that, you know, and, and I live in a rural community and I like it. Don't get me wrong, I, it's great to be here. The people are great. The people are very [00:24:00] supportive of what's going on. What I'm not getting support on, unfortunately, is the local the local medical community. Dr. Eric Hensen: And, and I understand that they're afraid. They see what happened to me, but they're not willing to stand up and, and that's how they get us. They get us because they scare doctors into doing what they want. And I just, I don't have that gene in me. It just irritated me. No end that my patients were being harmed by these things, including kids. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I've got all kinds of articles on what they do from causing infection to causing cancer recurrent disease. There's that article that was published last year out of a study in Kansas where counties that wore masks versus counties that didn't wear masks, there was a 50% increase in death in the counties that wore masks. Dr. Eric Hensen: Now, granted, it was an observational study, which is not my favorite, but 50% is a huge number, and that's a hard one to ignore. So, I bring this stuff up, but nobody seemed to care and I warned everybody in 2021 that this would [00:25:00] happen. You're gonna make things worse by wearing these things, and they completely ignored me. Dr. Eric Hensen: And said, Nope, we don't care. Here's our thing. So here, here you and I are trying to defend our patients and do what's right, and, and, and from what I know about your story, you did absolutely what was right and I was in a position where I didn't have to give the shot. I could only. Recommend that they don't. Dr. Eric Hensen: I wrote several letters on why not to give the shot. I went through all the pathophysiology, I went through everything about it, and I did have one letter get rejected by a state agency, which is ridiculous because here in Texas we have something called the Texas Workforce Commission, and you cannot you cannot force somebody to take the, you know, take, get it. Dr. Eric Hensen: And you can't keep them from getting a job. The governor tried to pass a rule stating that you can't, you know, fire somebody for not getting the shot and you can't and you can't prevent somebody from getting a job, let alone get rid of them. And it, it got it never made it out of committee, I was told.[00:26:00] Dr. Eric Hensen: And the one senator that actually, or one of the senators that led the charge and not doing it, was a conservative, supposedly, and oddly enough, he's my senator. And I found that out through some other senators that were just flabbergasted. Cause this would've put this to bed. Nobody had to get the shot, nobody had to lose their job. Dr. Eric Hensen: And now we've got people losing their lives. I have a nephew of one of my patients, he's 19 years old. He needs a heart. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's, that's what I was saying earlier is that, you know, we think Texas is a red state, but there's nothing read about it because the alleged, many of the alleged, you know, republicans or conservatives or constitutionalists don't stand up and fight and to be silent in the face of evil is evil itself. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and those, to those doctors in your community. I will say it because I'm saying it to all the doctors in all the communities, in all of our areas because. They're cowards if they're not standing up for what's right. And true. And what the science is is clearly demonstrating they are cowards. Dr. Eric Hensen: [00:27:00] Well, yeah. Dr. Eric Hensen: And, and, and you bring up an excellent point way back when when maybe when I started I don't know how many years you've been out, but I've been out for, I dunno, close to 30 years now, but Most physicians were independent or they worked independently. Now you have physicians that are working for corporations large hospital systems. Dr. Eric Hensen: So they've got what's called the golden handcuffs. They're afraid to say anything, and if they say something, then they either get, they lose their job or they get disciplined in some way. And that's how they're controlling everybody. But you're right, they are cowards. They won't stand up. And if physicians all got together, it would be great, but. Dr. Eric Hensen: You know, getting physicians to do anything, it's like hurting cats. It's just, it's virtually impossible and it's, it's kind frightening that, that physicians have, have fallen this far to the point where they. Dr. Eric Hensen: So, but yeah, the, the it's just, it's just ridiculous where physicians are now with [00:28:00] you. They should be, all of us should be standing together, but more importantly, we should be standing for our patients. And the fact that we don't do that is incredible. You know, whenever you do a procedure, I do a procedure. Dr. Eric Hensen: We have to do informed consent, but we don't do that. Nobody does that anymore. It's incredible. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, just the informed consent by itself is, is the biggest issue you could imagine. Now I'm in a different school of thought at this point with all I've learned about these shots is that no one should get them. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I believe they're a bio weapon in part developed by China. And for any new listeners, reviewers, go check out episode 33 that I did, where I show you all the public source documentation of how it's a bio weapon developed in part by China. But at the very minimum, we should all agree on informed consent. Dr. Eric Hensen: Exactly, and you shouldn't force somebody to put something in their body that they don't want, and you shouldn't certainly hold their ability to make a living like I e get a job or go travel. I've got several people that because they wanted to travel or they wanna go on [00:29:00] vacation, or they wanted to go see somebody get married or what have you. Dr. Eric Hensen: They went and got the shot and now they're regretting it because they're sick as hell or they've got some sort of autoimmune problem or they developed cancer. One of my patients she wanted to go somewhere and now she has base of tongue cancer. No history of smoking, no drinking, nothing otherwise healthy. Dr. Eric Hensen: Not even on any medication. Shows up. She's got a mass at the ba, invasive. Her tongue. I find it, biopsy it, it's positive and it's, it's secondary to hpv. Which would be consistent with what this shot does to the immune system in particular toll, like receptor seven and eight. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. It's just, it's absolutely insane what's going on in this world. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And one thing that I've discovered is people who want to, to move to, to immigrate to America legally United States is requiring them to get the covid shot. Dr. Eric Hensen: I don't even know how that Yeah, yeah. We'll let anybody in the [00:30:00] country for any reason. But you can't come unless you get the shot that that's ins, that's Russian willette to me. It's just, you can't do it. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You live in a border state and so like, they're letting men of war fighting age come across bringing all sorts of drugs that will kill, you know, hundreds of thousands of people. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And yet if you wanna come over legally, we gotta get, you get jabbed. Dr. Eric Hensen: Mm-hmm. Sure. My wife's from the other country. She's actually from South America, and it's incredible. I mean, she, she can tell you horror stories about what it's like to be in these other countries and these people wanna come here, you know, to get a better life. Dr. Eric Hensen: And this is what we're doing. It's, it's ridiculous. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, is there any El anything else that you wanna leave us with? Any warnings, any places where we can get more information from you or where people can contribute to you and your, your legal fees? Dr. Eric Hensen: Sure. We, we do have a gift and go, it's, it's at gift and go. Dr. Eric Hensen: Stop me [00:31:00] Medical tyranny. And certainly like you and us, you know, we're, you know, we're just being outspent. And, you know, legal fees are piling up. So what anybody can, can donate would be great. The one thing that I'll warn everybody that, that wa that follows you and watches these podcasts is that today it's me and you. Dr. Eric Hensen: Tomorrow could be them. And they need to understand that they're coming. They're coming for everybody unless you fall into line and do what they want. They will come after you. And that's not the America that you and I grew up with. You know, we're Americans are independent, we're free thinkers. And for us to fall into this group think that's all bad. Dr. Eric Hensen: And people better, better really start paying attention because they are coming. And the elites think that they can control everybody. They can't. And thank God there's people like you and other physicians myself included, that are standing up and saying, whoa, there, there's something really wrong here. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I, I, I kind of make the analogy to the [00:32:00] movie that, and since it's a newer movie called Legend, where the beginning of the movie starts with we've, we've solved the pro, we've solved cancer. Take this shot, and next thing you know, everybody's a zombie. And so when I tell Shot, didn't you see the movie? Dr. Eric Hensen: Jokingly, of course, but I mean this is all bad. And so people that are listening to you and I better pay attention because they will be coming for them next. Today it's you and I, tomorrow it's them. And they better pay attention. And they better hope that you and I prevail in the court system and that we can tear this down and get back to doing what you and I were trained to do is take care of people. Dr. Eric Hensen: Cause ultimately, you and I work for our patients, not the other way around. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Precisely. I don't, even though I'm employed by the US government, I work for my patient, I have whatever, it would be equivalent to a fiduciary duty to my patient, not to the government. I don't do their bidding. I'm not their henchman. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I protect the patient. I first do no harm and protect my patient. Dr. Eric Hensen: Exactly. We [00:33:00] swore that oath and I'm amazed at how many physicians have forgotten that and maybe they forgot it because of the golden handcuffs or because they don't wanna lose their their way of life. And that's fine, but I, you know, I gotta get up in the morning and I gotta look at that person in the mirror. Dr. Eric Hensen: And I can't do that to patients. I just can't. And these things were bad. The shots are horrible. The masks were horrible and, I mean, this whole thing has just been a disaster. And hopefully it, it enough people have been woken up where they, they'll now start fighting back and saying, this has got to change. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I remember a couple months into this talking to a pediatrician that specialized in autism and development, and I was inquiring of him and his way of thought and asking him about masks, and he's like, yeah, I think it's fine. Don't worry about it. It won't cause any problems. Dr. Eric Hensen: No, I mean, there's plenty of articles that show that [00:34:00] mass decrease oxygen when you decrease oxygen in a child. The organs are developing including the brain at an accelerated rate. So you're gonna retire development. The other thing you're gonna retire is there's no facial features and that's how kids learn. Dr. Eric Hensen: And so we probably have lost a couple of generations due to this, this absolute joke of, of a, of, I, I don't even know. I don't even know what it's called. I call it the scam demic, cuz that's what it is. There's no reason for this. The Russell Bla Blaylock in one of his most recent articles wrote that the CDC was forced to admit that only 10,500 people have actually died from the, the actual virus. Dr. Eric Hensen: And that is far less than we lose from influenza, which is between 60 to 80,000 people per year. Hell, in Texas alone. Back in 2017, 2018, there was a real pandemic, I believe it was between 10 and 12,000 people died, which included a lot of kids. But never, no mind that. Why didn't we wear a mask then? Well, because we knew that they didn't work.[00:35:00] Dr. Eric Hensen: The mask was, was for no other reason than it was a political stunt by the governor. He should never have done it. But he wanted to do something, I guess. But sometimes the best treatment is no treatment, or the best move is no move. And unfortunately, nobody has learned that yet. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, thank you, sir for being a stalwart for freedom and for truth and for liberty. And I, I pray that, that you can continue this fight and you win this fight and that we all win this fight. Whether it be Kirk Moore, Dr. Kirk Moore, go check out the episode I did with him and you know, my saga that continues. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But yeah, we, we, we have to witness otherwise our children won't have, won't have any tools to, to fight this fight. Dr. Eric Hensen: I agree. And I wish you well in your endeavor. And, and, and of course mine and, and Dr. Moore and there are a whole lot more other physicians out there that are fighting this and are being hounded by state [00:36:00] agencies. Dr. Eric Hensen: So this, this has got, this has got a hopefully wake up the country and wake up the electric and, and, and just say, enough is enough. And start supporting, you know, you know what we're trying to do cuz this is ultimately for that and for our way of life. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, sir, thank you so much for joining me. I truly appreciate you giving me this time. Dr. Eric Hensen: It's been my pleasure. Look forward to talking to you soon. Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. God bless. Thank you. Dr. Eric Hensen: Thank you. Bye. Dr. Eric Hensen: Just Dr. Sam Sigoloff: a reminder for everyone out there in duty, uniform of the day, the full armor of God. Let's all make courage more contagious than fear.[00:37:00] Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I recently got a new affiliate. It's Harvest Wright and Freeze Dryer. I've been using them since 2016. It's a great way to preserve food for long periods of time. Up to 25 years of stored properly. Please take a look at it. Use the link below. Thank you.