The "State of Judea" Ilan Pappé Argues is Dominated by Jewish Extremists

Ilan Pappé: The Decline of the Zionist Project
The "State of Judea" Ilan Pappé Argues is Dominated by Jewish Extremists

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The user is asking about the connection between Haredi Jews and historian Ilan Pappé's analysis of the decline of the Zionist project.

Ilan Pappé, an Israeli historian, argues that the Zionist project is in its "last phase" or "collapsing". A key aspect of his recent analysis is the growing internal division within Israeli society, including the tension surrounding the Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) population, which he sees as contributing to Zionism's decline.

Ilan Pappé's Analysis of the Haredi Factor

In his analysis of the "collapse of Zionism," Pappé specifically points to:
Internal divisions: He notes that one of the indicators of Zionism's decline is the growing chasm within Israeli Jewish society.

Military draft exemptions: Pappé mentions the widespread perception of the Israeli army's inability to defend itself and the major pressure to end the long-standing military exemption for Haredi Jews. This conflict over the draft is a significant point of internal friction, deepening political divisions within Israel.

The "State of Judea": Pappé argues that the current political landscape is dominated by Jewish extremists who have turned Israel into what he calls the "state of Judea" - a state that fuses religious Zionism with Orthodox Judaism. This extremist government, in his view, is willing to abandon liberal democratic values and prioritizes the expansion of settlements and the removal of Palestinians, which he sees as an aggressive, final phase of the Zionist project.

Haredi Views on Zionism

It was just ruled that now they are demanded to join the IDF and be violent. The Haredi community itself is not monolithic in its views on Zionism, but their historical and theological positions are distinct from the secular Zionist movement that founded the state.

Historical Opposition: Many Haredi leaders were historically opposed to Zionism, viewing it as a secular nationalist movement that sought to redefine Judaism as a nationality rather than a religion. Some believed that the creation of a Jewish state prior to the Messianic era was a violation of religious law (the "Three Oaths").

Current Positions: Today, some Haredi groups cooperate with the Israeli political system to secure funding and military exemptions, while maintaining a non-Zionist or even anti-Zionist stance. A minority of Haredim (such as Neturei Karta) actively oppose the existence of the State of Israel altogether.

Religious Zionists ("Hardal"): There is also a group known as "Hardal" who combine Haredi religious observance with the ideology of Religious Zionism, which is a different movement entirely and generally supportive of the state and the settlement enterprise.

In essence, while Haredi Jews did not create the anti-Zionist analysis offered by Pappé (who comes from a secular, academic background), their community's historical distance from the core Zionist ideology and current internal conflicts with the secular state are, in Pappé's view, contributing factors to the ultimate unsustainability and potential collapse of the Zionist project.

Israeli historian Ilan Pappe: 'This is the last phase of Zionism'
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Jan 14, 2025 — Pappe: They didn't get the same education as young Jews in America. They got an education from a very indoctrinated country. And that's the key.

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Palestine Is Still the Issue is a 2002 documentary by John Pilger and Tony Stark that investigates the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza to understand why peace remains elusive. The film, inspired by Amira Hass's book Drinking the Sea at Gaza, features interviews with Palestinians and some dissenting Israelis, showing the impact of the occupation on daily life and arguing that colonialism is the root cause of violence.

Filmmakers: Written and presented by John Pilger and directed by Tony Stark.

Inspiration: Inspired by the book Drinking The Sea at Gaza by Amira Hass.

Subject: The documentary explores the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the reasons peace is elusive.

Key themes:
The film presents the argument that Israeli colonialism is the root cause of violence.

It documents the impact of Israeli occupation, including collective punishments and the devastation of Palestinian society.

It features interviews with Palestinians describing feelings of despair and anger, as well as interviews with Israelis who oppose the occupation.

Content: Pilger visits checkpoints and refugee camps, highlighting the humiliation and anger caused by the occupation. The film also includes interviews with families of both suicide bombers and their victims.

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