John Kay, "Bills are going up again. You promised you would be the prime ...

John Kay, "Bills are going up again. You promised you would be the prime minister that brought bills down"

Keir Starmer, "It's a really important promise. We're already bringing them down by £150 for millions of households"

John Kay, "That help is for poorer families. When you made the promise during the election you were talking about all bills"

Keir Starmer, "Oh no no no I accept that"

John Kay, "You talked about bringing family energy bills down by £300 a year. Since you've entreated Downing Street they've gone up by nearly £200"

Keir Starmer, "Bringing bills down by £150 is for a number of households, poorer households"

John Kay, "What about the £300 for everyone?"

Keir Starmer, "But I'm not, umm, umm, umm, rallying against your challenge that we need to bring all of these bills down. Umm. And putting the policies in place is really important to me personally, that's the commitment that I made"

"Obviously, a large part of this is driven by what's happening in Ukraine, bills are 75% higher"

John Kay, "But that had happened before you made that promise"

Keir Starmer, "I appreciate that. So what we need to do is work with others to resolve the situation in Ukraine, to work again on the £150, and to do more to ensure we are able to bring those bills down"

John Kay, "To be clear, you are still sticking to that £300 promise?"

Keir Starmer, "I want to bring bills down significantly by the next election"

John Kay, "By £300?"

Keir Starmer, "Well yes £300 is the amount we put out there. I know the commitment I made. And I'm determined we're going to bring those bills down"

So if bills have gone up by £200, and the promise was to go down by £300, does that mean the updated commitment is to bring bills down by £500?