Pierre Poilievre Interview

Trudeau said that they would issue retaliatory tariffs against the Americans so why is a conservative leader agreeing with basically a 25% liberal tax threat from the United States are utterly unjustified there is no justification for what Mr. President Trump is threatening on Canada. What is your position on the right number in terms of the levels for permit? It'll be more like the numbers that were the same basically for 40 years. It's very simple. If you break our laws when you were here as a visit are you going we kick you out I don't I don't know how anybody can disagree with that. What do you think? The legacy of the freedom convoy was well I think that will I am Candace Malcolm and this is the Candace Malcolm show. We have a very special episode for you today folks we are in Ottawa. In studio with none other than the leader of the opposition, Mr. Pierre Polly of. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you very much for having me OK so I wanted to start by talking about Canada talking about the Canada that has has become over the last nine years specifically, Justin Trudeau, I wanna ask you Pierre what is the worst thing that Justin Trudeau has done to Canada? Well, he broke its promise. There was a very simple promise in Canada that you work hard. You get a great life. Doesn't matter where you come from it matters where you're going it doesn't matter who you knew it matters what you can do your bloodlines your birthplace. Your background was irrelevant as long as you were able to put your shoulder to the wheel and contribute something and that man you got a nice house you could feed your kids good nutritious food. You have a powerful paycheque that you'd bring home. That promise is broken after nine years of the Kearney, Trudeau liberals and now I think they're their main objective will be to distract people make people forget about the last nine years. I had to give them another four that the worst thing I'm breaking this promise is politicians break promises all the time. Usually they break their own promises, but this was not just Trudeau's promised to break. It was a promise that belong to all of us and that is why so tragic that he's been able to break it but the good news is we can put the pieces back together. We need to get back to our common sense free enterprise country with low taxes and fast permits that allows people to work hard and achieve great things and be honoured as entrepreneurial heroes that is the country that I grew up with and that's where we're gonna bring home. So what do you think Justin Trudeau's legacy will be specifically you know he promised all these wonderful things for the middle class remember and when did he give the middle class? He doubled her house in cost now there's not a single middle class youth in Canada outside of a few small number of communities where they can afford homes if you're a middle class 25 year-old in Toronto there's no way you can afford house that wasn't the case before Trudeau people feel endangered in their streets 50,000 people have died I've drug overdoses because of radical drug liberalization, and that is the consequence of decisions made by government. The good news is because they're all self-inflicted problems. We know how to fix them. We need to reverse the decisions that caused the problems in the first. And we can do that so you are one of the first people that I heard the loudest voice warning about what called inflation or the consequences of printing money. I came on my podcast back in 2021 don't worry about it so tell me if you're how did you know how do you predict that was gonna happen and walk us through what exactly did happen with the printing of money it's a very simple mathematical problem that we've known about for millennia and it's the correlation between the growth and the money supply as a share of GDP and the cost of things and if you look at Milton Freedman's amazing tomb, it's like a big brick of the monetary history of the United States. He puts in graphs of countries around the world and he can show like a near perfect correlation between the growth. In the money supply per unit of economic output and the inflation rate and so what happens is you have the same number of goods and services but more money chasing those goods and services you get inflation so what I saw happening in 2020 2021 2022 was that the central bank was buying government debt and effectively creating an additional cash and the result was that our money supply by about $500 billion or about 30% during which time the real output of our economy actually declined so you had a lot more money buying a lot less goods and it stood to reason that that was going to result in inflation of all the central bankers, including Mark Kearney said oh no, that's just simple thinking money printing doesn't cause inflation well of course it did and then we spent the last two years working class. People spent the last year two years suffering with this affliction. I'm so the inflation is actually just the symptom. The real disease is over government don't print money for fun they print it so they can spend it. It's the sneakiest way to raise taxes without actually holding a vote. I'd be like you know, raising the GST three or four points you'd get thrown out of office for that but if you just tell the central bank to do a bunch of back room hocus-pocus that no one can understand call it quantitative easing you can sneak it under the radar and that's what they did and so what I'm saying is stop the spending that's driving the money printing you need to copy, bureaucracy cut the consultants cut for an aid. I cut back on corporate welfare of these checks. We give corporations when they should be raising their own money through free enterprise and then you don't have to pay money and you can protect the purchasing power of your dollar frustrating because Friedman wrote that book probably I don't know 60 or 70 years ago we knew that this was gonna happen. You were worrying about it and yet governments all over the world did it because everybody did it there's inflation everywhere and the liberal government and Dustin Trudeau can say it's a global phenomenon that has nothing to do with Ken. You got into some heat at the time by the legacy media for saying that you would fire the governor of the bank of Canada tiff Maclin is that still your position or what else could you do to get money under control? Well there's a lot of things we need to do first of all. Let's start with this notion that it was a global phenomenon. It was only a global phenomenon in countries that did. Money printing, Switzerland did not Switzerland is probably one of the most dependent countries in the world if the inflation was really the result of supply chains and just a contagion that was travelling everywhere because of Covid well in Switzerland would've had bad inflation, but they didn't why because they didn't break cash. They had small deficits which they eliminated quickly and they controlled their money supply as a result. Inflation never went up above 3 1/2% and then it dropped below 2% almost immediately. Switzerland has really hard money they have a lot of gold in their vault and they they do not create cash unnecessarily and the Swiss have had actually average inflation of 0.8% for the last 25 years, which means that in that period of time. Where we've been more like 2% our money has lost value 25% more of its value in purchasing power then there has so what you need to do is be more like this Swiss control your money. Don't grow it faster than you grow the stuff that money buys. The other thing is that I'm not talking right now with the demand side where there's also the supply side if you know if you have a condom with 10 apples and $10 it's bucket you double the number of dollars to 20 you still have 10 apples well now it's two dollars an apple but if you do the opposite, which is to say you keep the $10 but you double the number of apples you go to 20 now it's $.50 an apple so if we were to produce more energy, grow more food build more homes than then we would actually reduce the cost of those things because there would be a greater supply the way you do that is unleashed the free enterprise system we Should. Fast permits for mining, pipelines, home building, and any other construction projects we should cut taxes to reward production rather than raising them to punish it that will unleash the production of the things that make our lives, more high-quality and gain purchasing power back for people and so what specifically that would you do to make things more affordable so like we want money I wanna stop printing money but how would you kind of go back to the things that are already become really expensive like groceries and gas what we do that first of all I think we need to get back to a monetary policy where the bank of Canada does one thing which is preserve purchasing power through price ability not not creating cash for governments to spend taxes are also a problem. We have these carbon taxes that go on fuel. Witcher then passed on through truckers to everything that you buy you know if you got a truck bought it brought it and so if you tax the truckers fuel, you're gonna tax everything by getting rid of that tax you can bring down the shipping cost and the food cost everything that you buy that requires energy and there's a trick coming a climb job Mark Kearney has said that you know he has as long history of supporting carbon taxes and pushing for them to be increased. He's gonna pause the current carbon tax to get through the two month election and then if you got for Betty wins, he'll bring back the much bigger tax with no rebate at all, and that will be devastating for our economy so if you want an end of the carbon tax for good for real forever then it's only the conservatives that will deliver that. So there's there's a funny clip of you here sort of in the house of commons with Justin Trudeau, and he was sort of bragging that his liberal government had three straight elections on the issue with the car is that if you're so confident, why don't you have a four and at that point we're sort of gearing up for an election based on this issue you know billion dollars was wasted on a contract to a legal consultant under the the guys of this or that public policy objective I would rather yes to increase funding for the things we value like healthcare and military, but I would rather judge our success by what we deliver, I would rather judge for example and healthcare how much we shorten weight times how much we improve how many Canadians get an extra family doctor on military judge by how much territory we've protected by opening new base in the north or by securing our waters with new icebreakers or by delivering the best arms and kit to our soldiers or the best quality of life to military families that's how we should judge our success you know during the jan war we probably did more pound per pound than any country save the US and possibly the UK, even though we were spending a lower share of our GDP on military than many of the European countries who parked themselves safely in Cabool where the valve of the fighting wasn't happening if you had gone to the Pentagon at the time and said which would you rather have would you rather have Canadians were actually tearing apart Al-Qaeda in Kandahar province or would you spend one percent 1.3% of GDP or would you rather have us spend 2% of GDP and park in Kabul and let someone else do the real fighting like the other Europeans? I think they 10 times out of 10 American generals at that time would've said we would rather have you fighting on the front line doing stuff let's measure government actions by what they achieve not just by what they cost. I love Afghanistan and. People may know I mean the organization that we're launching is called Juno news. It's named after Juno Beach. The blaze of Normandy. There were five beaches that were stormed that day the Canadiens had won. The Britz had to the Americans had and the Canadians made the greatest gains that day and so it is Alma to the fact that Canadians punch above our military in that little house and that is a big part of our legacy we always have and you know I can hit I could hit 2% tomorrow if I were to do it, Justin Trudeau I did was just have a good gigantic Boondock on the F 35 you could blow a billions of dollars on a Boondock hole and that would bring your defence spending up but not your capabilities up so I just once again say our focus should be let's reduce the back office bureaucracy the procurement boondoggles and let's deliver more war fighting capability. For the best possible price to taxpayers and the highest quality of life for our men and women in uniform, talk about the election upcoming election because I think a lot of Canadians were expecting it to happen in October 20 25, of course NDP leader dog meet saying said in December that he was gonna pull the plug on Harlem as soon as it resumes but here we are in this precarious situation where Parliament has been proved. We don't really have. We don't know who the next Prime Minister will be presumably Mark Kearney, but possibly Chrissy Freeland, so I just wanna know when do you think the election will be and are you ready for election? We are ready. I think it will happen quickly that Mr. Kearney wants to avoid scrutiny he wants to run during a honeymoon and the legacy media to protect him from any kind of tough questions or scrutiny whether it is about the advice he gave Trudeau that tanked economy over the last five years. Whether it is about him moving his company headquarters to New York only a few months ago when that's exactly what President Trump wants whether it's about him opposing Canadian pipelines while buying pipelines in the Middle East or opposing Canadian energy while investing in American coal those are all highly hypocritical things that Mark Kearney does not want explored and so I think you'll want a quick election to avoid any scrutiny. I think it is important. We do get a quick election, but let's not mistaken. The real reason why Kearney wants that it is to avoid any scrutiny and have the liberal establishment. The liberal media basically rubberstamp him as Prime Minister so that he can go on carrying out the same policies that have destroyed our economy doubled our debt and housing cost after nine years of the Liber. Well, you mention the legacy media liberal media does it concern you going into an election that you are? You've been outspoken and you said that you were going to defund the CBC I believe that you said you were going to remove the $600 million newspaper fund that Trudeau created to fund the legacy newspaper as well. Does that concern you that the media is just not gonna give you a well the traditional mainstream media has always been totally liberal. I mean there's a few exceptions by buying large day. They will just regurgitate whatever the Kearney Trudeau liberals say, and in all of the last all the last six or seven elections, they have campaigned almost openly for the liberal, so I would not expect it to be any different this time and so just to clarify, would you get rid of that $600 million newspaper fund that Trudeau gave to two newspapers we are gonna be cutting back on that year. We have to wait for a platform to get the details. OK because we have to size news media finance because right now what happens is that there are subsidies that go to favoured media outlets that CRA designates and then there's fun not funding for others so and of course the worst example is CBC which gets this enormous subsidy to do largely what Canadians can get elsewhere they get Canadians can get digital media video graphical media anywhere else and yet they're paying 1,000,000,000+ dollars for CBC to do that so I think those are examples of where we need to cut and we need to refund the CBC and have an independent self supporting media that can keep Canadians informed well there is a growing ecosystem of independent creators. Independent journal Citizen journalist. That you see popping up all over social media and so I wonder if you form government the Parliamentary press gallery is like an insiders group. They don't wanna give access to people who don't work for legacy. What would your policy be around allowing access to your government or can you personally for independent media I think they're independent media should be allowed in the on the precinct. There's no reason why it should be a small Cabal of government approved mouthpieces it is highly under democratic. I've always believe that and it's made particularly difficult for me because it means that only when I go and hold the press conference it's just liberal media who are there to attend and it's practically speaking. I'm in the precinct. I'm on Parliament Hill. I have to hold the press conference to get my message out I would love to see a place scenario where every different kind of journalist from all backgrounds and all opinions. Is given a chance to report him what happens on the hill like 50% CBC and they sort of set the tone they said a priority they get the questions and so they're always pushing in one direction and it means I mean there's a huge opportunity and this is why we launched Juno news because so many Canadians just don't feel represented at all by the media and the questions they represent. It was three years ago that the freedom convoy was here in Ottawa just right outside this building and I think that that was one of the things that they were saying but the policy and the people in the city weren't representing what they believe. I wonder like what what do you think? The legacy of the freedom convoy was well I think that I supported those people who lawfully protested because I believe that they most of them just one of their jobs back the reason they were spending the time on Parliament. I was just that they they couldn't go back to work and I think if the Prime Minister had gone out and talked to them actually most of them would've just would've gone with their lives, but I think it was a very divisive unfortunate approach that he taught call name calling denouncing them and treating them like they were not Canadians and I think it's a good reminder that when a Prime Minister disagrees with the protest he still has to remember that the people who are attending the protest are Canadiens. They have the right to express themselves and they deserve dignity and respect, and I think if that had happened, then we would not have would not have dragged on so long you know I look at the Hamas riots that we're seeing in our streets far more violent then you know. We're seeing you know, fire bombings, and that bullets flow going into Jewish schools you know, and I I think to myself you know it was supposedly a national emergency worthy of suspending civil liberties that there were part trucks parked in front of the parliament building, but it's not an emergency when bullets are flying into children's schools or synagogues are being firebombed and that is a very strange irony to me well, I'm glad you brought up immigration so you recently announced that people who are participating in those rallies people who engage in violence and hate crimes I will lose their status of their hair temporarily on a student visa temporary visa you would suspend the visa and deport them so can you walk us through what that would look like well it's very simple if you break our laws when you're here is a visit or you going kick you out I don't I don't know how anybody can disagree with that if someone shows up in our country claiming to be a student or a temporary worker and they start by a fire bombing, coffee, shops, bakery, synagogues, or any other place then they need to be immediately arrested, and they need to be deported. If someone is obvious obviously a citizen they should be prosecuted through our legal system and put in prison here in Canada for those sorts of crimes, but there's no excuse for keeping people in this country who are visitors here on a temporary visa or permit, if they're breaking our loss what people are here illegally people have entered the country illegally or who have come to the country applied for asylum claim had that rejected but were made in Canada would you deport those people? Yes that's that's supposed to be the policy right now. I mean that if someone comes in makes of also from the asylum claim it gets rejected they're supposed to leave today that the challenge that we're going to face is that under nine years of the Kearney Trudeau liberals open border policies they have we have now millions of people whose permits are going to expire over the next sort of two years and if they don't leave, we have very hard time for even knowing they're still here finding them, and then carrying out a deportation. There are some among them that we do want to keep they could be a masters graduate in computer engineering that has a six figure job in Kitchener Waterloo start a family integrated speaks the language. This is someone we want to keep, but we need to be able to make that decision ourselves through selection. Based on their these criteria, not just by accident because people who are not eligible to stay decide they're not gonna leave. I want things happening in the state right now in new administration is that a present Trump has been serious about deportation and a couple weeks ago we had Secretary of State Mark Rubio saying that if you were the Canadians, he'd be concerned that a lot of the bad people there in the United States may not right now might try to sneak up into Canada. This happened last time. Trump was President Trump was president where we had a people crossing illegally through rocks and road, thousands and thousands and thousands and it was disgrace. I went there myself here and I couldn't believe it we had CSA officers acting like bellhops lifting their suitcases, putting them into buses taking them to Toronto or Montreal their choice I got to choose where they would go so we were sort of facilitating illegal entry into our country. Rock Road has been closed, but I'm sure that happens in other places I'm wondering what would you do to stop bad people that are about to be deported from United States from just walking across into Canada we have closed rock Road 30 days after I shoot an ultimatum to Justin Trudeau that he had to close it or that we would move my nonconfidence and so he he actually met my ultimatum, enclosed it, which proved what they had been saying before was all lie they claim they had no way of closing it well of course they had a way of closing. They didn't want to we have we nation with borders and we have the ability to seal our borders against you illegal crossers and to block people from coming in and those that get onto our soil what you need to do is just do it last in first out refugee review of their claim and this is how it works if you're the last person in the country. Then you immediately have your claim heard, which means that within a couple of weeks if your claim is false, you're sent back, but that does as it sends the signal to everyone who might come in the future that they're gonna be sent home all automatically the problem right now is that if someone gets any legally they then and even if they're not, they're not a real refugee they're not danger they have seven or eight years of appeals, appeals appeals during which we're paying for hotels and lawyers and food with Canadian cat so that attracts more people to say hey if I get to Canada, even though I'm not a real refugee, I can get into the country and I'll be bounced around in the system that someone else's expense forever if we solve that problem, the message will go out very quickly that Canada is not a place you come to make a false or fraudulent claim and I believe you would see a very real reduction in the number of people who even tried to come. I have a lot of sympathy for real refugees. My wife is a refugee. This has been a wonderful refuge for people who genuinely have claims and that still will be the case when I'm Prime Minister but we can't take in fraudulent fake claimants and pay their bills for seven years while they work the system immigration, Justin Trudeau, and his government dramatically increase the number of legal permanent residency Canada so I think that average during the Harper years was about 250,000 2025 were up to 500,000. I think that there's a well even doesn't treat himself admitted that they lie too many people too fast and it had a wonky impact on housing market and everything else. What is what is your position on the right number in terms of the levels for permanent be a lot more like the Harper and numbers that were the same. Basically for 40 years before Trudeau took office we were bringing in about 200,000 250,000 a year in citizens and that was we were more than able to have those numbers cause we were building about the same number since we were adding people so we had a housing surplus at the time. What I would do is bring in a simple mathematical formula that says we cannot bring in people faster than we add houses and you basically take home building the prior year to set the population growth numbers in the next year and you have you guarantee in fact you I would I would actually make sure that we're building surplus of housing into each of the next four years because that's how we close the gap that we that is built up under true. One of the other things we talk about a little bit is crying. I know that you talked about how you want to put life sentences on fentanyl dealers are the kingpins in the drug war what about immigrants who are caught on drum charges? Do you think they should be deported when you say immigrant citizens don't have their citizenship. I don't think anyone here is here on a temporary visa of any kind whose cock breaking our laws should be allowed to stay that simple any laws any other than a parking ticket like if if you come to Canada and your cock selling and you're not a citizen or permanent resident you're selling drugs you're doing violence you're doing a fraud a car theft. You gotta go one of the things he pointed out in a recent video that was talking about this fentanyl thing was that the true government through Bill C5 eliminated the mandatory minimum. And because there aren't minimum sentences for a lot of these crimes, you do end up having immigrants they get caught with a illegal guns or something like that and they don't get deported because there's no minimum sentence so would you put back those mandatory minimum yes and to be clear for people who are permanent residence and citizens were not, we can obviously deport to government residence and citizens, but they will do very serious jail time under my new plan so to put in perspective, it takes only 2 mg of fentanyl to kill someone there is a recent super lab that was busted in British Columbia about a month ago and they were they had produced enough fentanyl or had enough fentanyl ingredients to kill 95 million people that is to kill every Canadian more than twice so these are large scale mass murder operations fentanyl kills far more people than homicide so when you are selling lots of fentanyl, you're like spraying bullets into a crowd you might not know who you're killing, but you're killing someone so you should go to jail for life anyone who's caught trafficking more than 40 mg we'll get a life sentence between 20 and 40 will be 15 years sentence. Those will be mandatory minimums one of the remarkable things in a negative way happened recently is just a level of crime specifically the city of Toronto like I can't tell you how many times like it's shocking to me that there are carjackings in Canada where gun people will come and force you out of your car even sometimes when there's kids in the car or so many people I talk to in Toronto are really worried about home invasion people are breaking into their house in the night. You had a police representative. Tell Canadians to just leave. He's near the front door so there's someone broke in that thief could just take the car and they wouldn't bother you in the house like what's happening in Canada like, how is this the case? What would you do to make Canadians feel safer and to get rid of a lot of this really heinous crime that's happening in Canada. Well, these people have to go to jail like the problem is right now. If you do a car jacking you get arrested you'll be back out the street in a couple of hours and Canadian police officers tell me they arrest the same offender often three times in the same day and why he's in he's really on bail. The office is not even done doing the paperwork on the arrest and the offenders already back out on the street doing a new offence so the good news is we actually don't have a lot of criminals in Canada. The bad news is they're extremely productive. They do a phenomenal amount of crime and there's one guy in. Penticton, his name is Levi and the police tell me when he's out of jail. He does so much crime. The crime rate for the entire city of Penticton goes up like you can say you know for this month Levi was out of jail. You can see a spy and crime one guy it's just insane so what you need is mandatory not mandatory prison for convicts but you need to make it so that repeat offenders are in eligible for bail once they're arrested again and that would automatically like the 40th offenders in Vancouver got arrested 6000 times so imagine if they just stayed in jail you have 6000 few crimes it's a very simple cause-and-effect so jail not bail is one of our our principles really good OK thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. We're going to wrap up the Candace Malcolm show now wrap up the YouTube and the XP. We're gonna continue the interview. I have one more question that I want to ask him, Mr. Paul if it's a good question so if you want to see the rest of this interview, please head on over to junonews.com subscribe our subscribers get all kinds of bonus features, including longform interviews like this one and again please go over to general news.com subscribe and then we'll see. 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