Dennis David's Hypnosis Session

From Alex Harris' channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRhjBHKEgmU
Cliff Notes at 1:03:12 for 2-3 minutes.
"This is a hypnosis session with Dennis Duane David completed by GG Communications and given to Matt Douthit (‪@mtdouthit1291‬ ) by Phil Singer. Video courtesy Matthew Douthit."
One of the commenters in the YT thread claims to be Dennis David's Grandson.
#JFK Autopsy Witnesses
YT AUTO TRANSCRIPT:

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okay now we Clash bands like this now a app like this all right now please put
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one arm in each arm of the chair and um
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look toward me now as you hold your head in that position without moving your
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head look all the way up to the top of your head straight up the thid again higher higher higher and as you look up
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slowly close your eyes close while you're looking up close completely close that's right keep looking up while
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you're close that's right now take a deep breath three exhale let your eyes
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relax and let your body float imagine yourself floating floating right through
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the chair there'll be something pleasant and welcome about this imaginary floating as you concentrate on this
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floating I'm going to concentrate on your left arm and
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hand in a while I'm going to stroke the middle finger of your left hand after I do you develop movement Sensations in
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that finger then the movements will spread causing your left hand to feel
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light and buoyant and you let it Flo upward ready first one finger then another and
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as these Restless movements develop your left hand will lift upward your left elbow bend your forearm float into an
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ight position do permit your hand to feel like a boyant balloon and just like
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a dancer let it float up you have the power to do it that's help it along all
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the way let your elbow rest on the chair that's a higher all that up it along all the way up higher higher still more
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faster faster all the way up that's still more all the way I'm going to
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position your arm in this manner so your forearm and now will remain in this position even after I give you the
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signal for your eyes to open in fact after your eyes are open when I put your
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hand down it will float right back up to where it is now you'll find something
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amusing about this sensation but later when I touch your left elbow your usual
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sensation and control will return in the future each time you give yourself the
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signal for the self hypnosis at the count of one your eyes will roll upward
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by three your eyes will close and will be in a relaxed Transit State each time
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you'll find the experience easier and easier now I'm going to count backwards
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at two again your eyes will roll upward with your eyelids closed and at one let
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them open slowly ready three two with your eyelids closed roll up your eyes one just open
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slowly open all the way stay in this position describe what
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physical Sensations you're aware of now in your left hand and arm is it Comfort
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yes are you aware of any tingling Sensations yes in the fingers does your left hand feel as if it is not as much a
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part of your body as your right hand now not
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this if you saw that in somebody else will you believe
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it now by way of comparison while it remains there raise your right hand
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up all the way up and now put your right arm down are you aware of a difference
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in sensation your right arm coring up compared to left so how would you describe the difference
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for example did one feel lighter or heavier right seem that control seem be heavier yeah and which arm did you have
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more control right now note this I can tight this open are you aware of a
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change in sensation now in your left arm lift them both up together put them both
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down now is there any difference in control or is the control becoming equal
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control is more why is there anything that I said did there might account for
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that I don't know when you look thr one up before did you get a physical sense of lightness or bancy yes bcy did you
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get that feeling in any other part of your body like your head neck chest abdomen thigh slaves all over adjus your
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left hand or arm I feel like a sitting in a chair but it feels like
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almost like floating in a water or something yeah so it's all over
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okay swim po or something yeah all right now you're running uh what it's like to
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feel hypnosis you were just in and out of hypnosis you didn't go to sleep you
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didn't black out it's a method of concentration a more accurate way of describing hypnosis is you develop
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parallel awareness as likeing here and there at the same time for example you were there paying attention to me while
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you were something happened to your left arm and you were aware of that too that's what hypnosis is the value of it
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is it makes your mind most receptive to your own thoughts the strategy that you use to
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uncover memories is what we're going to into next now before we get to that I want to point out something I didn't
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tell you that you would have more control in one arm compared to the other you discovered that people with hypnotic
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capacity discover that difference in this test but it did tell you what would cause the control to become
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equal now even though your arm know what to do you now have an Amnesia to what uh
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what I said that Amnesia is part of the hypnotic experience I'll repeat what I
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said see if the memory doesn't return I said later when I touch your left elbow
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your usual sensation and control will return to left remember that yes now you remember
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this did I touch it felt yes you did are you infer I did or
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do you remember weather out there you did how many times twice are you remembering or are
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you guessing guessing yeah well you're you're correct I'll repeat what I did to see if the memory doesn't come back
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fully he armed was up like this and I said to you now note this I did this
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make a fist up I did this that's the one I remember the most did the second
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see it shows that your mind is so organized that you have your headquarters up here then you have many
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sub systems that can work almost independently but still be part of your main theme it's that feature you can now
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use to get a handle on on old memories if if they're if they're growing if
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they're around so you have a good he has a good profile this so we we have some
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work we can do now great and you can see for yourself how how even though you
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don't know the test you see how well you responded uh to this and he just the
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critical thing is he discovered that uh you know how arm went up right away he
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discovered that that was some degree of involuntariness which is essential to to
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identify hypnotic capacity all right now with that in mind
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let's see where uh what we can focus on now where
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should we where where should we go first uh to the
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uh uh you want to go to the first question about the general chronology of
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events uh yeah I would you know I think it would be easiest for Dennis if we just take him back to what he recalls
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from the moment he was told to be present at the facility that day and
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right that the president was coming and okay what he remembers from there on in
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okay all right okay now uh this is a way in which see in a way
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all hypnosis is self hypnosis when I I tested you to find out you just follow my directions and you discovered you
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have this ability so from now on you can now learn to shift gears and go into a a
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trans state anytime you want to get the mission so this is the way you do it
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without moving your head look all the way up the topic day up and as you look up slowly close your eyes take a deep
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breath exhale eyes relax body float one hand
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float up like a blue either hand you just that's all away when it reaches
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this upright position this becomes your signal to enter a state of meditation
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which you concentrate on this imaginary floating you can make it more Vivid by
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imagining that you're floating in water or that you like an astronaut floting above the FI of breath at the same time
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you do that in your mind's eye visualize a huge movie screen or a TV screen or if
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you wish a clear blue sky that acts like a screen on this screen you project your
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thoughts and memories whatever feelings you have related to those thoughts and
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memories out there on the screen while you float here this is like setting up a private theater in which you are viewing
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the memories of your own life in this way this makes you both the
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the rememberer as well as the actor as well as the audience all at the same time in
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the memories of your own life so as you now sit here feel yourself
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floating imagine this big screen out there place a Time on the screen and
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then you report to us what you're seeing on the screen
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where would you like to
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start Tuesday Tuesday go
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ahead 23rd
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yes go ahead go
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ahead 63 63 okay go
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ahead what are you saying
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what yes it's a radio yes it's a radio
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yeah he killed him yeah killed
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him what the hell what the hell
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happened yes
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scor assassin assassin yeah scorion
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B yes K have been assassinated no I'm not kidding turn the
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radio turn on the radio turn there and
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shot than
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about tell yes what
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just keeps talking over and over assassination
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yeah where are you well
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this the therapy section
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building bar R and friend of mine
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I went back down to my office next floor first
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floor train
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Ed where are you now
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sitting in the office just listen to the
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radioing station about
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this all kinds of
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commentators make trying to figure out why talking
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about it's about one 15 I
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think see that happen around 10:5 1:00 sh
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doing cross quit doing it
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now he's crying as much as I is this Eddie Eddie MRIs really go
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ahead go ahead
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to
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say go ahead that time is moving forward Place
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yourself as as the time before he just called from the front
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office to set the watch I got the duty
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today must be 245 yes
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got to go main building STS on
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office everybody's crying or has been
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MH it's quiet so quiet
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sitting in the office listening to the radio
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now let's move forward now at time when you're getting
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involved place of time you first realiz that you're getting
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invol it's 5 5:00
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5:00 go ahead they're bringing the
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body oh
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hell okay this why
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we we that all falls under our
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battle yeah you're not be T all right
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this one this is here what's happening now you're there and you're now sharing
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with us what you're seeing Dr boso go ahead I just heard that they're going to
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be bring the body B all right I'll call I
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called calling Captain sto committing us yes and he tells me he heard it too and
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is on his way in yeah be here shortly yes talk to keep
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going talk to keep the duty section on alert
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El 7 Z call me wants me to come up front
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desk walk so people are sing
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clothes detectives or something blue suits and all that
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stuff O'Neal is Secret Service
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he asked us to set security all
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spaces she Fel her from the D School
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Zimmer from the hospital I'll take care of medical school
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spaces back down on
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office call people
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over 7:30 7:32
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too call bosw told him I just got a phone call a visitors on his
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way get to the
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the basement C black
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hers just backing up to the
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jetty driver green smok both of them there's a
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driver in right in front white pants green
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smot five men got out of the back of the
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first a shipping casket
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then I brought down with me carried into the P
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room just in just inside
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more my back up front
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found one of the kids growing off on one of the
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doors check the old man's office on the second floor
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helicopter landing out here they
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are 11
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minut unloading some mirrors boxes or
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something for
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let go ahead take a what what is that
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blood all over dress blood blood off turn
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further ja just this is keep ja just keep
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it back scat
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back
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K know the names of one of the others s them on the
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news just coming
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here for
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yeah
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F I don't see the crowd that whole area around the Springs
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was just one big massive out they every a
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cup M radius is out there bying the driveway
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yes oh I've been over this place a dozen times walked all over this building
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getting
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late what time they'll finish up down there
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just standing looking through the S down the fo
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passage manage tells
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turn Sher
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sh ask
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me I can I got security
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CLS
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oh
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start
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start show a badge he got badge Secret Service
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FBI we can do it up to Lisa's office
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what can we do which this we can type up the letter the memor and he whatever
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yeah St agent
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St okay
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little p Brown snack
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cat typ in your memorandum what's the
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date November 23rd
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sir
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11:05 yeah should
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should put 2305 [Music]
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5105 F
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items remove and postmart
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this one
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three or six 2 mm
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the four pieces
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two 2 by 4 by
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four is three 1X 3x
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4 four one by one by three
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the agent told me to P in my hand if I don't look at my
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M or not my hand this is what killed the
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president what what killed the president there pieces of BL in my hand oh
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yes Pi my Mir turn Pi my
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he even took he even took the car and took tape out
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there of the typewriter took everything with it
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yeah it's been wild
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yeah God I'm tired
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look back down fire way on
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office s relax Drive relax yeah
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apparently completed the autopsy where are you you now while we
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all to is going on plan up yes go ahead
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under building under the D Building in the
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basement D school is directly above us
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okay somebody called Chief Zimmer from the hospital yeah we
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can release from the building about time it's
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2:00 go get 2:00 morning morning yeah go ahead 2
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a.m. go
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Ahad the
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from around there then talking about
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this said there was two
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casets because of security persones in caskets I a solid
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one brain came in later who came in
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later one of the kids said the brain came in later the brain mhm yes it came out on onery with a
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towel wrapped over
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it it's a lot of
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rumor why would they do
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that it's 4:30 I want to go to bed
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when is your when is your shift over all get up
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SE any later finish at
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8:00 maybe I get a couple hours sleep
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got up
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six now when you were talking about that brain coming in who who is the the man
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that saw the brain on the
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graen one of the Corman hn don't know his name
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hn that works for test to the hospital he was
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working I think he's working emergency room water have you seen him
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before no I don't believe so and he says what to
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you he said that they brought a brain in on a gurnie with a towel thrown over
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it MH why would they put why would they put it on a girl
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journey and throw a towel over for that matter of fact I could
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carry it now what time is this when this is happening
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around it's around 3:30 4:00 talking having
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coffee and getat a smack
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Bar M you're there with him six or
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seven six or seven always H people still
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watch now what what's this man you call him Jay what what you say his name
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is they reported on the brain don't know his name it's just an
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hn an hn and and what what time did he
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say he saw the the
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brain it didn't he just said that they brought the brain
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in what time is it now that he's telling you this
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that's 3:30 about 3:30 and he says they just brought it in
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oh no they brought it in early but it do I didn't he say went I see
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okay all right go
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ahead now do you go now you tired do you say bed you go to bed and now you come
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out of bed didn't work rote up a law
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what time is it now you're 6:05 what writing the log up
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again Smokey came in a few minutes ago us he usually doesn't come in till around eight Smokey Captain sto oh sto
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he's commanding officer yeah everybody calls him Smokey
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yes the yeah
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now wait to get something to eat breakfast go
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ahead got a quar late to the log buz the
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sign at my wife she just came into schort
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go back to correspondence training yes go back to
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work not much is getting done everybody's still a
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little upset
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yesterday go ahead
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work on the book
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theology as you to go back to the log that you're
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writing what time was the body logged in in that last time
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7:34 7:34 is that is this what you put in the
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log yes 7:34 did you see the body Comm
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in casket the casket
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yes oh what and how about as you are you seeing the casket now put yourself there
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what color is it gray gray you see anything
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else Sailors six six men six men Revan Tish is one of
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them they're offloaded the other one's carrying it five I guys in blue suits
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are some kind of government agents yeah okay all now let's go forward now you
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it's the next day now and go ahead from
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there work on hematology yeah try
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to no use just
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listen to the
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radio tell about assassination
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yeah School depository building whatever that is
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somebody [Music]
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name I hav't in custody
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go anything today just listen to the radio
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all right then go ahead good time to go
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home I go be from yesterday long
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day okay now I want to shift the scene going to move move over to this meeting
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with Bill piter where where is he
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in his office and you there with him yes what's
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happening that's a film monitor on his desk
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yes looks like
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he editing film
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yes it's got a view box with some slides on it yes 35 slides yes the autopsy yeah
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just look at look at the size of that
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horns like the head is blown off
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God it's horrible
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there a little hole the right Temple
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yes a large slice across the throat
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as Bill as Bill shows you these uh these uh
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photos does he uh tell you who took the
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photos I soon buil oh doesn't say he doesn't say no he just assumed that yes
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did he act as if they were his [Music] photos doesn't say just doesn't
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say he's he's taking there 16 mm he's taken yeah parts
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of it yeah and making slides like yeah mm slides out
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and does he tell you who tells him to do this
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no he's said of the a visual oh he's head of AUD just say he he does could it
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be he's doing this on his own
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I would think so I would I would think I would asking why did it okay you
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don't think it's right to ask it we were
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War things around be treated as as
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secret oh yes
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now as you looking at these um photos
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now describe in in real detail what you're seeing in the
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photos
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just they're not really photos as much as they look like
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negatives like negatives yes go ahead describe them
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side side of the president's head right
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side go ahead oh it looks like
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two 2 and 1/2 in by inch and A2 it's
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34 hole on the
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back one picture one VI head
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is it is perfectly prone almost conceals the wound
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yeah the next picture show his head twisted slightly to the
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left see the see
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theing I right I kind
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bug push down you what how you do that eyes right eye appears to be protruding
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push right protruding just
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a hole maybe
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Hard 3
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size May half inch hold
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slly to
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Templar just above the
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eye can see that
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go go ahead how many how many uh uh slides are
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there look at see four laying there
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apparently seem be taken from the film STP I don't know this what it looks
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like are are there any that show his mouth and his
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throat one what does that show shows it CH a slice
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like somebody did a sloppy job of doing a trachy
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aomy have I've done tracheotomies and I didn't take an insation that
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big it's almost it's almost 2 in
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long appears to be don't need that big of incision to do
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a tra it's useless anyway from the size
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of head
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one
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good what does that mean to you I don't know why would why would they do
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a tra doesn't make
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sense I can sense at
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all time to go where time to go lunch go
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lunch get out
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now now you're going to lunch now but uh as time goes on now does bill ever
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discuss these fils again with
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you no that's the says to
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about turn them over smoking
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and there's no discussion here after this
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no does he have any opinions about it he shares with
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you why it was
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obvious shot came from the front
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he agrees looks just like
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the it's just like kid we had
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in Morocco ex the hole in the back there a
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lot of was kid Frank
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he hit with M1 rifle about 12 in away from his
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chest put my little finger into the
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W put both fists into the extra one in his back took out chunks of
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liver Tes
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pancreas really mess him up so
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just hit at that angle went down
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across they're saying on that he was shot from
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behind does make
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sense all right now in a while I'm going to give you the
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S shall let your eyes open
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you'll still remain in the hypnotic TR while you're looking at what I have
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to show you later when I touch your forehead your eyes will again
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close while your eyes are open and looking at these photos you'll be able to let your left
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arm move downward when I touch your forehead your and your eyes close again
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your arm will again float upward now
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ready are these are these
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pictures uh something like is anything like what you
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saw you can hold them if you
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wish here the wom was the womb was where here
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oh this was back here
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oh that's not what I saw that's not what you saw
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what about this
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one I didn't see that you didn't see that didn't see
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that it wasn't there what about that
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one what's the left side
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the other side oh yeah that's the left I've never saw a picture like that you never saw
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that one what about that
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one wasn't wasn't all those
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was this the one you did you see this one this is the one oh what there's a little hole right
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here should have been right there it looks like see where
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that M that little patch or something yeah there a little hole right there
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then this is the one I saw this type
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thing was that one of the pictures that Spitzer the bill showed you one was very
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similar to that yeah things was hard to see the wound back here yeah until the
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show there was another picture though with his head tilted like this and you could see see mhm the xra one or at
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least the hole back there
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yeah I never saw any of
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these this is one like that those simar see you couldn't see back here think but
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you can see a little hole right here and of course in
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said nobody make a sloppy job of a tricky like
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that probably need a sensation about like that to a TR and is this one of the uh photos that
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you saw with though it looks like one of the negatives yes or
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similar because it shows except the
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eyes seem to be protruding a little more than it is there uh but it's very very similar
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yes ask think where do you think these uh films were
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taken can you recognize this place
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not really
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doesn't can you recognize this background here with that's tile deck I
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can you recognize that Mor but I [Music]
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don't I think the morg had a deck like that I don't know I don't remember
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can't
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remember I was in the morg very often I never did like morgs mhm I used
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to when I was it you don't
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remember the floor floor how about
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this does that look familiar
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CH could be could been
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D they had a device like this that they put monkeys they doing
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nerve nerve autopsies on on monkeys and animals could be I don't
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know all right now can you describe that
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room it's on the ground floor or on the tell you what
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we're going to do as you describe let me do this just go back into the let your eyes
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closed and I'll put yourself into that room and describe it for
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us gu you say in the basement allthough the door opens
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up onto the parking L
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area but
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the uh table tile de
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tile several
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cabinets you look up two windows one on each side the
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door just look out paring L about one step
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down fing L maybe 6070 ft
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across then there's the Gully that runs runs
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back through the rest of the compound
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trees grass
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everything you can see
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through no no leaves on the trees you can see
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the maintenance buildings going Jetty the back of the
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hospital stand outside the door over to you
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to your
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right is stainless steel table in there couple
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of them
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big St Ste deep if you want to call
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that c to tools
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inside instruments top
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anything else
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all spells
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disinfected TR containers if you
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will it's about off there just a the section
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[Applause] now I'm going to ask you to shift to this did
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the the morg at the uh the
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NRI Nam uh at the table
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there um uh the phone that's there and the
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kind of headrest can you describe that put yourself there and as you see it
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tell us what you see what is
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a that's stainless steel bar
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with oops to mobilize the animal's head
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there's a
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trade s over the top of the table of Home instruments
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there's a
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scale scale pass through side
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table way
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I just let yourself relax just feel yourself floting
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all right now in a short while I'm going to give it a signal to come out of the trance you'll have a relaxed refreshed
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feeling and listen to this carefully it may well be that as you
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reflect on what you've remembered today can stir up other
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memories almost any time of the day or night it would be
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useful if you were alert to this and have a pad of paper nearby so that in
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event some flash memory occurs to you that you think is fresh or
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significant to make a note of it uh it can happen at almost any time
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at all so if you're prepared for it you're able to make a note of it and
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then you can um get in touch with r now I'm going to count backwards in
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three or one the two your eyes will roll upward with your eyelids closed another
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one let them open slowly ready three two with your eyelids close roll up your
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eyes and one just open slow open
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now make a fist with the hand up open your fist let it float down and that's
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the how long do you feel you've been sitting in this chair few minutes a few
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minutes you like know what time it is now it's 20
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12 we started about 10 yeah
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yeah that's right like too quick as it is I now do you have a recall of what what
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transpired since 10:00 was I crying yes you
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were I remember
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some uhuh where well uh how do you feel
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about I think we got you know some important details that Dennis was interested in getting he's a very good
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subject yes you remembered some things I think will surprise yourself when you when you see this tape and and we found
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some very important information out much more than I expected this this worked out quite well yeah okay
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good in fact uh while Dennis is kind of unwinding from all this perhaps in the
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last few minutes we have in this hour I could get uh just your overall Impressions about the whole nature of
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this kind of technique and and Dennis as a subject just an overview from you as to how you think this whole session went
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so we can get your opinions on tape as well okay sure I need to break this up
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but I got to go to the bathroom oh sure go uh if you go outside uh turn left
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there's B thank you sure okay uh well it it turns out that um
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that uh Dennis is a good hypnotic subject on the he scores on the high
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level on the uh profile grade is a three on a three on a zero to four scale and
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on the induction score he scores 15 on a 0 to 16 scale where the zone of
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hypnotizability is 6 to 16 and on his personality features he tends
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to score in a high mid-range so that um three different appraisals all agree
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that he's somewhere in the high mid-range to the high side of hypnotizability so we can expect from
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somebody like that to be able to go back into his past memories and recall with
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good deal of vividness many details that the ordinary doesn't remember so it is not surprising that he did come up with
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new information about this and what is also very uh irrelevant to this is that
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he um he without being told he his affect his emotion came through too and
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he this is what Freud called abreaction that uh when he went back to
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the moment that he got the news he just broke into tears and and
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crying uh so we knew then that we were really touching something authentic
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about about his feeling about this and the atmosphere in which he could now recall
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details from what I seem to sense and this is the first time I've ever seen this process a lot of the things that
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Dennis seemed to be you know recollecting were very raw images and
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not so much perhaps the uh the end result of what maybe some people call
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memory merge where you know things that you think you saw or heard you tend to
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believe when in an essence you may not have experienced it what I saw and maybe you could uh you elaborate on that
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seemed to be we we really went back and and and got the very raw data that uh
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that dentist did experienc that day it seemed to have that ring of authenticity about it and if you notice that he also
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U without being told he referred to this in the present tense as if it was
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happening now like sometimes like one he was talking about yesterday
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when it was really back in 1963 so you see he was feeling it in the
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present tense and when people can go back that way in their memory in the trans
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concentration the odds are very likely that you get this Vivid raw uh recovery
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we can't always be positive about it but it has that quality and then that's also subject to further coroporation now from
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your position as as you know an expert in this field when you see this kind of
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information come forth as a as a matter of the process how much of this information do we feel we can really
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rely on as as being uh you know definitive um you know a lot of people
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will question well he said this or that but did he really you know experience
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this you know well there was a consistent we cannot be absolutely positive 100% but
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we can be very uh in terms of probability uh look at the way things
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resonate with each other his high degree of hypnotizability without being told
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experience it in the present tense without being told experience the emotion related to it and the way he
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describes the events in those Vivid details gives it a high probability that
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it is um uh historically accurate but we
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cannot be 100% positive we have to keep looking also how for other data to see
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how it cooperates with this uh it's hard to make the flat
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statement that uh any memory is absolutely positive uh the truth but it
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we can only see how it jbes with other information that gives it uh an
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evaluation of its credibility in his case uh the probabilities are
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very high that these are authentic uh memers and as you put it that does have
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that quality of being a raw imprint that U is now recovered I guess the last
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question I would have for you is you you mentioned to both Dennis and I before we even started this process that certain
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states recognize that this technique if you may for deriving information and it
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is applicable in the court of law in other places it isn't uh it was certainly not the basis of what we did
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today uh in order to connect this um data or information we retrieve to any
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uh pending or current court or legal uh case yet nevertheless if someone were to
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ask you in that context uh to qualify Dennis David and and the information
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that that you derived from this session um how would you how would you qualify
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his credibility based on your experience with the number of these cases on the
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scale of zero meaning no no credibility to 10 being the ultimate truth I would
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put him on a scale of nine 9 to 10 great thank you very much Dr Spiegel
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welcome
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