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Tucker [00:00:00] Very few college professors do what college professors are supposed to do, which is kind of break through outside campus into the conversation among smart people about what the world is about. And in other words, they don't kind of influence a broader culture directly, and you do, and you're an organic chemistry professor. Are you allowed to do this at Cornell? How are you allowed to kind of... Opine on economics, social policy, foreign policy, like what are your administrators saying when you do this?

Dave Collum [00:00:42] I don't know if it's generally true, but Cornell's not giving me any guff. The only problem I had with Cornell and we talked, you know, we had breakfast and we talk to a little bit about, I think my colleagues wish I would shut up, but they don't tell me to shut up. Although, you know they've told me to stay on. I've kind of an intellectual Tourette syndrome. Well, I'll be in the middle of class, like in March of 07. In the middle class, no warning, I blurt out the banking system's about to collapse. I'd written about it in 02, but I turned, I said, I think it's about to collapse.

Tucker [00:01:17] This is an organic chemistry class?

Dave Collum [00:01:19] An organic chemistry class, and they looked at me and I just said, look, I think the entire banking system is going down the tubes now. And it took another year, year and a half to...

Tucker [00:01:26] Did they say that's not a related discipline, what are you talking about?

Dave Collum [00:01:29] No, no, no. No one gave me guff for that. What was entertaining about that particular Tourette's-like outburst is that I had the same kids in an honors thesis course two years later in the first lecture, one lecture a week. The first lecture I said, didn't I warn you? This is February of 2009. I said didn't I warn that the banking system was going to collapse? They said, they said, yeah, you did. And I said did your econ professors tell you that? They said no. And so what are those assholes paid for? In this thesis course, I used a lot of guest lectures. So my first guest lecture was the CEO of Morgan Stanley Bank. And he had cut his teeth on mortgage-backed securities and he spent two hours talking about the catastrophe that we were in the middle of in February of 09. And so, yeah, I do occasionally go off the rails, but no, no, it gives me grief. I got canceled in 2020. The closest you and I. I've been following you for years, but the closest you and I actually came to actually meeting, but we didn't, was in 2020 I got canceled during the height of cancel season, right? Remember how it was happening all the time. And the probability of me ending up being interviewed by you was pretty high because it was being, I got cancel and I was written up in the federal as someplace like that. And so we- What were you canceled for? Oh, it was a real crime against humanity. I supported the police. Oh, okay. Just one of those. Remember the guy that got knocked over in Buffalo? A friend of mine, I was doing a podcast with that Saturday, posted that late one night and said, uh, said, I think this is just appalling when the old guy got knocked out by the riot police. And I watched the video a couple of times. I said, well, Chris, his name is Chris irons. I said we can talk about it on Saturday, but, but I have no idea what he was doing there. So this is in a tweet. I said I said he was poking riot police with something that looked kind of like a taser or something. Turns out in retrospect, it was a skimmer. And so I said it looks like kind of a self-inflicted problem to me, right? I didn't say he deserved it or anything like that, but it is self-inflected if you poke a riot policeman and he knocks you over, right, that's pretty much, you know, it's a Darwin award. Bears and riot policemen shouldn't be poked. Turns out. What I learned that night was the cancel culture is not organic. It was incredibly astroturfed. The speed with which it happened was staggering. It was automated. Within 20 or 30 minutes, email boxes all across the administration were filling with complaints. It went everywhere. I had to lock down my Twitter feed fast and and things like that. And then Cornell was on sort of a war footing, trying to figure out what to do. Now, they're trying to find out what to do just because they wanted the fire to be put out, right? So they weren't against me in that sense. It was during the lockdown. So I didn't actually, there was the advantage of everyone was locked down, but I wasn't sure Antifa wouldn't show up. And we know that's not organic either, right. And so on and so on. And so I slept with some loaded guns and I was emotionally ready to blow someone's brains out.

Tucker [00:05:17] How many tenure professors in Ivy League schools have guns at home? I don't know. Just you. I would.

Dave Collum [00:05:22] No, well, there's probably more. We have natural resources department, stuff like that. And those guys probably use the resources available. But the one mistake Cornell made, they made two mistakes. First of all, it turns out the guy was a grifter. The whole thing was faked. And there's video footage of him telling people he's going to go get knocked down and people yelling at him for doing that. It turns out the blood that came out of his ear, I've talked to physicians, they said it would never come out like that. There's pictures of him on the gurney talking on his cell phone behind the ambulance. The press couldn't find him in any of the hospitals. He made a lot of money on GoFundMe. So he grifted his, while he was supposedly in a coma, his Twitter feed, which had all sorts of fuck the police kind of comments, was being scrubbed very quickly. And so it turned out the whole thing in retrospect was a grift. So I was dead right. Cornell was on a war footing, trying to figure out how to just stop this. There's graffiti all over the campus and stuff. And so they made two mistakes. One is at no point did someone from Cornell reach out and say, how are you doing? Right? Because a guy in North Carolina got canceled and he killed himself, right? I wasn't gonna kill myself. It was unpleasant, I would admit that.

Tucker [00:06:38] How long had you been at Cornell at that point?

Dave Collum [00:06:41] Oh, that would have been 40 years. 40 years? Right, and plus four years as an undergrad, so you know.

Tucker [00:06:46] So you spent 44 years at Cornell at that point, so not a newcomer.

Dave Collum [00:06:50] Now, and by the way, the guy who was the provost at the time was a friend of mine. I knew him from the day he got to Cornell. He's now the president. And it's useful. I knew I was coming here and I asked a trustee, I'm going to be talking to talkers or anything, and you'd like me to somehow get out there. Not that I'm going to to be their talking man, but it would be stupid to miss it. And I sent a quick email to the president and said, and he gave me a couple of bullets, but they were obvious. They were the obvious things. And the second mistake they made is eventually they put together some, and the Daily Sun was doing what I called the Daily Column, where they'd publish an article about what an asshole I was, right? They'd write an article about the football team and get the NSA, by the way, did we mention Column's an asshole, right, that sort of thing. So they finally wrote a letter denouncing me. And it was signed, interestingly, by the president, who I didn't really like that much, that president, the provost, who's a friend of mine, which was ironic, the chief of police, which was super ironic, and a couple other administrators. Who was missing was one of our deans, the dean of arts and sciences, who didn't sign it. He would have been an obvious signer. And he once said to me, what good is tenure if you don't have free speech? Now, they weren't trying to hurt me. They were just trying to put out a fire and it put it out. So in that sense, they did the right thing. Do they call and tell you they're gonna denounce you before they do? No, and by the way, I know a number of trustees at this point and they all said they should have just shut up. So that was a mistake. More recently, a guy named Rickman, I think it was, made that statement about it being exhilarated that Israel got attacked, right? And he shouldn't have said that, right, that was stupid. But what people don't understand is that Caesar. This funny combination of free speech and academic freedom, we're supposed to foster speech, and that means dumb speech. That means sometimes hostile speech, right? You know that drill. And then the president denounced him, same president, the one I didn't really like, the one who denounced me. And she said, this is only the second time I've denounced something a faculty member said. And I go, yeah, I was the first.

Tucker [00:09:09] What about the then provost, now the president, who is your friend, who denounced you? Did that affect your friendship?

Dave Collum [00:09:14] No, not a bit. They were just trying to put out a fire and I was ready for the fire to be put out. What helped is several trustees wandered in the president's office and said, don't even think about doing something stupid here. So I had, one day I put out tweet, talk about how lovely Cornell is. Cornell is a phenomenal institution. So my loyalty to Cornell is tainting my vision, but Cornell is not like the other Ivies. It's not Harvard, it's not Princeton. And it is. It's in the middle of this idyllic setting with, we have 200 gorges. The people at Cornell are self-selected. They're the ones who want to live here, right? If there was a college in your neighborhood, it would be filled with people who love the outdoors. It would be full with people who like this way of life, right. Cornell has that. And so, and by the way, it's ranked number one in a critical category. It has more top 10 ranked departments than any school in the country. And that's because we have so many different things going on here. So it's a very special place.

Tucker [00:10:17] So the the letter denouncing you was really just kabuki. I mean it was

Dave Collum [00:10:20] It was Kabuki. It was trying to just put out the fire. And it did. And I paid a price. I lost a consulting gig at Pfizer because of it, because I was now a Nazi, you know, and- Wait, Pfizer didn't stand by you? I'd consult there for 20 years and they were going to Zoom consulting. And Pfizer doesn't need a controversial consultant either. So they just-

Dave Collum [00:10:46] cleared the deck as well. So I don't hold it again. I hold against, what I hold against Pfizer is the vaccine. I don't hold. The guys I can tell with the Pfizer were great guys. And Pfizer, they were trying to get their job done right. Stuff like that.

Tucker [00:10:59] Why do you, as an organic chemist, why do you hold the vaccine against them?

Dave Collum [00:11:04] Uh, because I think it killed a lot of people and they knew it. I read the file. I, I, so I started writing about COVID right away. You can imagine, right? As scientists, I started networking. I started trying to figure it out. I'm in a group called doctors for COVID ethics for four years where we had every major anti-vaxxer on the planet go through this. Wait, so you're a consultant?

Tucker [00:11:25] To Pfizer, you're a pretty famous, one of the most famous organic chemists in the country. So if you say the Pfizer COVID vaccine killed a lot of people, it can't be dismissed as crank talk.

Dave Collum [00:11:37] Well, it could be because I'm not a vaccine expert. I'm an organic chemist. So I have certain technical skills that probably helped me burrow and it's the genetics majors and undergrad, that helps me. I don't use the biochem or the genetics, but it allows me to sort of read stuff. And- But you think it killed a lot of people. Well, the Pfizer papers, which are papers written about the clinical trials and the VAERS database, show huge number of problems, right? And so our, the doctor for COVID ethics, we had every famous anti-vaxxer. One of the first ones I went to, it was Bobby Kennedy. And we had, you name it, you named an anti-vaxer. You named the Malones, the Ryan Coles, the Brian Artises, you can go on and on and they all went through this group. And we talked about things three or four years became well known. Does anyone keep?

Tucker [00:12:32] Is anyone keeping track of how many Americans were killed by it?

Dave Collum [00:12:35] Well, it's very hard because first of all, every flu death got absorbed into the COVID stats. So flu disappeared, which can't be true. And if it did because we were locked down, then how'd we all get COVID, right? So there's now studies coming out from other countries because we have too many people who will look very bad when this data comes out. But the Japanese, for example, have come out and said, some very strong things about what didn't happen. The head of the Japanese medical system, I think, came out and said that you could correlate the number of deaths with the number of shots, right? And so now that the gag order has been released, scientific studies are making it into the literature. And there's already thousands of people who have been

Tucker [00:13:22] It's got to be one of the great man-made disasters of our lifetimes.

Dave Collum [00:13:26] The lockdown too. I think you mentioned or someone did in one of your podcasts about the travesty, maybe it was Walter, about the Travesty of locking down. You tell me how old a kid is and I can tell you what subjects he does not or she does not know. So if you were studying trigonometry. The year that everything was locked down, you don't know trigonometry at all. We pretended to teach them, they pretended to learn, nothing happened. And do you see that now? Well, you can see it going through the system. So for example, our first year grads who were taking organic chemistry went during lockdown when they showed up, they were very weak in organic chemistry. Yeah, you could see it. So think of the poor kid who's five years old trying to learn how to read and write and everything, so a mask. Right, and there's imprinting periods, right? There's periods where you learn to read and write or you're kind of in trouble. And so it was disastrous, it was absurd. And the whole thing was done by Fauci. But how could- And our Zoom group, by the way, had Scott Alice. And so I asked Scott, I said, Scott, was it malicious, Fauci and Birx? Did what they do is malicious? And I think it was. I mean, I think there's evil forces behind those two, but he took a different tact. He said. Cannot fathom how stupid those two are. That was his answer. He said, Fauci never gave a scientific argument, never. And he said, one day, this is astonishing. He said one day this is all recorded. So I'm not, you know, talking behind his back. This is, there is a recording on the internet with us. He says, one day he walks in with a scientific paper that Atlas had read. And so he thinking, whoa, Fauci's actually gonna say something scientific. Fauci went to say, encephalomyelitis. Now, if you work at the 7-Eleven, you might stumble on that one. But if you're head of the entire health organization, you shouldn't. And he said, he botched it so bad, it was unintelligible. And Atlas said, come again? What'd you just say? And Fauci wouldn't repeat it. He said Berks was yanking shit off the internet. Making pie charts, having not a clue what it meant. Not a clue. That's terrifying. Now, here's the Chris Malisota. He did speak up, I don't think. Atlas. I think he sat there.

Tucker [00:15:55] Can I ask you to back up just a moment though? So you're describing now incompetence, but you alluded earlier to malice. What do you think the dark forces behind Burks and Fauci were?

Dave Collum [00:16:05] Well, I think they, first of all, they love the fact we're talking about whether it came out of a lab in Wuhan, because that way we're debating whether to blame the Chinese or not, right? When in fact, I mean, it came out of the lab probably in North Carolina, a number of guys who've tracked both the disease and the vaccine back years before it showed up on our dinner plate. Um, I, I think... Low level of malice would be

Tucker [00:16:36] Do you think it came out of a lab in North Carolina?

Dave Collum [00:16:39] Yeah, Ralph Barak, he, the, you can follow kind of David Martin has followed, um, the patent trail and, and, and artificial organism can be patented, not a natural one. Yes. And this, you, you follow the patent trial on COVID and, and, you could follow vaccine patent trail. And it gets, why'd you get moved around?

Tucker [00:17:02] Move from point A to point B. If it was created in North Carolina, how did it get to Wuhan? And what was that?

Dave Collum [00:17:07] Because we were funding research in Wuhan because we were not allowed to do gain-a-foot. Sorry, I keep tapping the table. Oh, it's all right. This is a topic that deserves some tabletopping. I've done podcasts where I have headphones and I have four boss, three boss and terrier, soon four, and they snore. I can't hear them because my headphones are noise dampening. And then I listen to the podcast and hear this humongous amount of snoring behind me. So I'm aware of background.

Tucker [00:17:36] You didn't bring the terriers, did you?

Dave Collum [00:17:37] I didn't bring the terrier so so but you.

Tucker [00:17:40] I just want to flesh this out a bit. You think it was created or begun in North Carolina, then brought to Wuhan for...

Dave Collum [00:17:49] To be elaborated, to be studied, to be, so I think we took everything offshore because it got, uh, gain of function got banned in the U S I, but I don't think we banned it. There were something like 36 bio bio weapons labs in Ukraine. Yeah. Of the U S origin. Yes. So why is Ukraine perfect? Ukraine's perfect to run a bio weapons lab. You need first world, um, infrastructure and third world people to test shit on. Ukraine's pretty much got that, right? Because Fauci, for example, in the United States, when he had to do clinical trials when one of his lower rank, they'd go to foster care. They would do clinical on foster children. What? Yeah, you got to read Kennedy's book. He did, he did an estimate, he, they use an estimate 13, 14,000 foster kids to do clinical trials. They said the kids would figure out they're getting sick and they wouldn't want to take the meds. That's so that's like not so I think five G's been been doing damage to people and killing people for many many years. Yeah

Tucker [00:18:59] But to do clinical trials on foster kids, I thought after the Second World War, when both the Japanese and the Germans were doing things like that. Nuremberg code? Well, exactly. It was codified there for scientists, but for the rest of the world, and certainly American culture, we were taught that testing potentially dangerous drugs on people without their full consent or on the weakest among us or euthanizing mental patients, all that was bad. I thought that was one of the big lessons of the Second World War.

Dave Collum [00:19:31] Well, as we both know that there are no rules. Well, that's boy. Is that the truth? There are no rules, right? That there are none, there are rules for us, you and me, but, um, there are subjects for which people could be thrown in prison. Um, you know, a great example would be, uh, Diddy. So what happened with Diddy? I think what happened with Diddy is Diddy had a bunch of very incriminating tapes. I think, you know, Epstein, Light, and I think they arrested him to round it all up, all the data. I think that they did it to get all the date away from Diddy because he was being sued in civil court. Guilty party said, we got to get it out of there before the civil court gets it. And so they arrested him. What did they just convict him of? Nothing. They could have put him away for 20 years based on what he did to Justin Bieber. Right. They didn't even get him on any of that. So it's a classic. That's a class a case. I know I saw like a nut case, but you've had a lot of nut cases on your show.

Tucker [00:20:40] I had a guy who was-

Dave Collum [00:20:41] My brother is trying to dial me back his day they're going to think you're a nutcase if you talk about all the things you think about and I go well I think that ship has sailed you know as I said to

Tucker [00:20:50] Well, I thought that was the whole point of academic research was that, you know, the predicate for it, the basis of it is free thinking.

Dave Collum [00:20:57] Well, but according to Douglas Murray, I'm not supposed to talk about it unless I'm an expert.

Tucker [00:21:02] Well, you are a demonstrable expert in your area.

Dave Collum [00:21:08] Diddy! Z-

Tucker [00:21:09] It's not Diddy or not the tenured professor of Diddy Studies at Cornell.

Dave Collum [00:21:13] We could have it, you know, we do have subjects.

Tucker [00:21:18] So you think the point of arresting Diddy was to shut down inquiry into what Diddy was doing? Get the data, right? Well, that's clearly the point of the first Jeffrey Epstein arrest. Hunter Biden's laptop. Tell me your view of Hunter Biden laptop.

Dave Collum [00:21:35] Sidney, what's her name, lawyer, come on, Sidney Powell, elite lawyer, now down a few notches because she worked for Trump and that always gets you in trouble, said that if Hunter Biden's laptop were ever released, no, if Anthony Weiner's laptop wherever released, the government would fall. Weiner's laptop had kill switches in it. I mean, it was filled with crap that wasn't supposed to be there. We never get to see it. Supposedly nine cops watched the videos on Weiner's laptop. They had to keep leaving the room because they couldn't stand what they were seeing. And all nine are now dead. There's names and faces and deadness, right? They're real people. Now you can say, well, maybe they died for other reasons. I go, but it's still nine cops. It's like the five cops who died after January 6th, right? The four of them were suicides. Out of according to AI, there were about 80 cops really in the thick of things. Four of them died from suicide. I don't need any more information to wonder what the hell's going on there. That's one of those standalone observations where I go, that's not right. The math of that doesn't work for me. I've got pictures of Ukrainian, see, I'm going off topic. I've gotten pictures of known Ukrainian operatives with, I can believe this, with the QAnon Shaman guy, I think with the horns in January 6th, at January 6. What is that all about? I've get videos of-

Tucker [00:23:13] That seems totally normal.

Dave Collum [00:23:15] Yeah, yeah, totally. I've got videos.

Tucker [00:23:16] It's a National Guard 100 yards away not doing anything.

Dave Collum [00:23:19] I've got videos of John Sullivan, right? The guy who was supposedly Antifa, but Antifa said, no, he's a fed. Don't talk to him. Who then filmed Ashley Babbitt getting shot. This guy's getting around. What's your image of an Antifa person? Lost soul, tattoos everywhere, right. No meaning in life, right, I mean, these are nihilists. These are society's trends. If they're real, that is. If they are legitimate.

Tucker [00:23:48] If they're real, but I mean, if you look at the mugshots of Antifa arrest or the people who came to my house, the Antifa there, I mean these are, you know, obviously I disagree. They threatened my family. I don't like them and all that, but you also feel like these are like one step above homeless. Like these are- Right. Losers. Right.

Dave Collum [00:24:07] And so if he's on TV, it's really odd that he was a nationally ranked cyclist. Are you serious? What I know about nationally ranked anythings is their lives have purpose. Now there's a mugshot, you follow this Patriot front story. I'm really, this is, now the helmet's on, the leash to the jungle gym is on, the Patriot Front guys, those guys who'd stop around looking like neo-Nazis who also were buff and had no pot bellies and covered their faces and get arrested and they're handcuffed with their backpacks still on and their megaphone still over their shoulders and then I saw mugshots of them. Not a single tattoo. No tattoos, these are neo-Nazis, not a single tattoo.

Tucker [00:24:55] They didn't have, like, Waffen-SS lighting bulbs on their cheeks.

Dave Collum [00:24:57] So we are in this big Walter Kurnish, we're in this made for the internet plot. Walter is great in his description of the, I've been tracking the Mangione story. It's not the right story. There's something wrong in the, Walter laid it out. Now, what Walter didn't say is who's behind him.

Tucker [00:25:28] That's obviously the question. I mean, you can look at all of these different stories, particularly the acts of violence, which are because they are acts of violence are, you know, examined much more closely than any other kind of act. And it like doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. I mean the, the shooting of Trump a year ago in Butler, Pennsylvania,

Dave Collum [00:25:45] Oh, I wrote about that too, everything. Do you know what I just read the other day? The guy who shot Thomas Crooks, right? There were bullets flying all over that place, but it was a catastrophically poorly set up defense of Trump, but the guy who shot Thomas crooks was the same guy who organized the protection of Trump. And they say, Oh, you know, he didn't get convicted of anything. And other guys didn't go well. So the guy who was in charge of making sure that after the assassination was done, he popped the assassin is somehow not getting prosecuted. Why am I not shocked?

Tucker [00:26:25] So you're saying he was the Jack Ruby figure here.

Dave Collum [00:26:28] He was the Jack Ruby figure, yes. So, what was odd about that story? Well, first of all, all the news agencies were there. This was a totally irrelevant rally in a relevant place, Butler, Pennsylvania. And there's a stranger story there. And again, I just pick up these shards and sometimes they fit together into a story and sometimes it's just put it in your head, keep it there until you get more detail. There's a guy sitting behind Trump. Joseph Fusca? Fuska is his last name. I've seen him before many times. He was by the QAnon guys, which are a bunch of whack jobs. Said to be, you're not going to believe it, said to be John F. Kennedy Jr. Waiting to come back and save the world. And I'm going, Oh, you guys have lost your minds. Finally, you've really gone. It doesn't matter that that's a total crock. Fusca is this guy. And they say, no, his name is Fuska and whatever, you know, blah, blah, but, but he's one who supposedly is JFK Jr. In disguise. Fusco was there sitting right behind Trump. I go off all the rallies. There he is. Who is he? I don't know. And what's really interesting, Trump gets shot. Everyone's reacting and Fusca's not. And then there's two pieces of footage. When you say you've seen him before, you've see him in photographs before? Oh, he had been talked about. I've dug down some deep rabbit holes and find this guy. So one of the things you discover, you know this as well as anyone, you think you're going down a rabbit hole and you discover Gobekli Tepe. You get down the rabbit hole and you go, this thing, there's an entire ecosystem down here that people don't know exists. Once you, it's like, once you ask, how did Kennedy get killed? And you go oh boy, you know, that's troubling, right? And then building seven, which you talked with Ron Johnson, who by the way was in our Doc Zoom group, right. When I'm talking, we had everyone, we at everyone. Once you got on one or two of these and you go, I, I can't trust anything. And I'm, I work in a field where you're supposed to be able to get the facts and say, now here's an odd story. A friend of mine's binding all my annual reviews that I write. I would write one blog a year. I've been thinking about why.

Tucker [00:28:58] Can you just pause and describe what that is? That's really the reason I wanted to talk to you is because your interview is well known among people who are paying attention. What is it and why do you do it?

Dave Collum [00:29:10] So... Paying 100% attention to chemistry and started on the side looking at markets when I became a boomer with some wealth and I started paying, and I became, it was a tech ball. And then by 98, I realized the markets were in trouble. I'd read enough books, read enough blogs, read enough articles. And so, and then that naturally led me to politics because if you don't understand politics, you don't understand economics. Thank you very much. And around 07, I wrote a, I used to, on this chat board I was at, I'd write a summary at the end of the year. And part of it was to make sure that my fairly extreme views weren't costing me serious pain and suffering. Instead of getting 200 clicks, because this group is about 200 of us talking, it went to like 4,000. I go, what happened? And he said, oh, I put it on my blog. Someone told me that. So in 2009, I decided to do it seriously, 30 years of investing. So I wrote this thing, I said, 30 Years of Investing from the Cheap Seats was the title. And it went wild, actually. And part of it was because, because I'd been highly successful as a rank amateur through the 90s as a tech bull. I made 700% on Worldcom and then got out. I made seven hundred percent on Dell, Warner Lambert. I thought I was a genius. And so I had years where I made over a hundred percent without leverage. And then I got out, and I got out due to Y2K, which turns out to be a grift. It took me decades to figure that out. I thought I just blew it. But no, it was Silicon Valley selling software and hardware. And I can make that story if you want, but it's not worth it. And then, so I started paying attention to politics. And then I just went deeper and deeper down rabbit holes. I see, I know I'm reading about Putin in 2012, trying to understand what's going on there and stuff like that. So, So I just kind of naturally got on rabbit holes. Now, you can't market a blog worse than writing one a year, right? That's about as bad as you get and I don't charge for it. So there's that. And then I realized though, the reason it works for me is if I wrote a blog once a week, most of them would be garbage. Because imagine how many blogs I would have written about how Trump and Elon are best friends. And now it seems irrelevant. I'd be writing about how Trump and Elon are enemies. And then a month from now, it'll be irrelevant because they'll be best friends again, right? And so you could, I could not write a weekly blog. And so what I do is just like, by writing once a year gives me a long time to think about it. So I get the idea and then I sort of watch and go, oh, look at that. That's a puzzle piece right there. So it essentially is book length. 250, 300 pages every fall. And you don't charge for it. And I don't, and I, you also can't write it in March. That's not a year in review. So I usually end up with about 700 pages of links and notes. And if, if I see something, we talked before about, about using tripe metaphors, you know, how we both hate it. And, but once in a while, I'll see a way to insult a person. I'll go, oh, I'm saving that. Right. Now the other reason is really great. Where do people find it? Uh, it's published at peak prosperity. And it's my pin tweet. So it stays up there all year and then until I publish the next one. And it gives me the chance to collect the information, to ponder what's going on that year. And then, and some things become irrelevant, so I don't write about them. Some things become trite, right? But I think my analysis of the 2016 election, for example, is really good, the prophetic line. I was watching BET. Please don't get me to explain why I'm watching BET in black entertainment today or something, whatever. Some early black guys talking about Trump and he says, forget the messenger, listen to the message, listen about it. I'm going holy moly, right? Turns out he was the head of the new Black Panther Party. I go Trump just got endorsed by the Black panthers. So I, and then I saw Jimmy Brown, the running back, say he will be a president of the people. And and all of a sudden, and so I wrote, it might just be a flicker, but I think the black communities move into the right. And boy was that ahead of its time. And so what I won't do is write about something that I was writing about. Why? The other problem I face. Is that I don't write about stuff. I'm an expert. I write about stuffs that I know nothing. So when I wrote about, I've been following Putin, but when the Ukraine war came, first thing I noticed, I bet you noticed it too, it wasn't a war. It was a police action. And they weren't killing people. They were moving troops across the border. They were talking to Ukrainians. They were... And I kept saying to my wife, this is not a war. And you'd see some grandmother going, ah, this was just really terrible. You know, and I'm going, that's not a War. You want to see a war? Look at Baghdad, day one. Right. That's a war, that's what a war looks like, right? You'd see an explosion from 20 miles away, you wouldn't know what blew up, right. My wife thought I was nuts, I go, it's not war, it not a a war! Well, it became a war because as you and I both know, NATO wanted a war and so it morphed from being a police action, which I think. Putin was trying to throw a fast ball past NATO's chin and saying back off on this whole NATO thing. Yes, that's correct. And so when I wrote about that, I found about 20 to 40 guys who are trying to get it right, which includes you. And includes guys like Max Abramson, do I have that right, Glenn Greenwald, the guy who died, what's his name, the guy who got killed by the Ukrainians. Cancel O'Leara!

Tucker [00:35:44] American who was murdered by the Ukrainian government

Dave Collum [00:35:46] And we could have gotten him out with a phone call and we chose not to because the narrative was Putin's bad, Ukraine's a bunch of really nice guys, super nice guys. It's a democracy. What a crock of shit. That was a lie from head to toe. We wanted a war. We still want war. I have intelligence friends too, not like you, but I have them. And I was talking to one the other day, I think he likes to talk to me because he can talk to me about these subjects. In his universe, I'm the only guy he can talk to for which, um, he's, he does have to worry because everyone else in his world is connected. Everyone else in this world, I think he liked to have real honest conversations. One day we're on the phone. He says, do you do signal? I go, yeah. So we went to signal. He said someone was listening to us.

Tucker [00:36:36] There's a lot of that.

Dave Collum [00:36:37] There's a lot of that. Yeah, I know. So there's always a narrative. There's always one narrative and we're now in an era where you only get to talk about that narrative. You know that. I know that you and I were just

Tucker [00:36:45] mutually. Yeah. And the penalties for straying from the story are real. Yeah, totally. I mean, whatever. There's been no age in human history where telling the truth, the real truth is rewarded.

Dave Collum [00:37:00] So where you first really won me over... You and I agree that when you were young, you were a punk. And the fact that you're so proud of the metamorphosis is great. Um, it may have come before this, but where I noticed it was the Las Vegas shootings, where is we kind of talked a little bit of breakfast. Um, here's the funny story. They interviewed that night. I got in my crunk and my crank.

Tucker [00:37:31] The night of the shooting. The night of the shoot. That was 2017 maybe? I can't remember. Yeah.

Dave Collum [00:37:37] And Mike Kroc told this story. He didn't look very emotional, which I found a little odd. I, by the way, think all the shootings within an air bar are not what they appear to be. I'll take it all the way back to Columbine if you want. But Mike Kroc talks about his friend getting shot three times in the chest from hundreds of yards away. And later, a marksman said, not possible, too much spray. A sniper would be required to hit a guy three times. And the guy was just doing this, right? And Mike says his friend stuck his fingers in the bullet, his own bullet holes to stop the bleeding. I'm going, now you're lying. Why is Mike lying? Right away, red flag, why is Mike like?

Tucker [00:38:26] And who is he, by the way? Well, that's a great question.

Dave Collum [00:38:30] So Mike then finishes how they put them on a cart and wheeled them out.

Tucker [00:38:35] May I just ask why, why did you know he was lying when he said his friend put his own fingers?

Dave Collum [00:38:40] Because you don't, you don't get shot three times in the chest and provide your own health care. Fair, fair. Right. So then like YouTube, you see it rolls over 15 seconds and then it goes to the next YouTube. And we're, we're watching Vegas. Like you watch nine 11, right? It was, it was really 500 people. It, it is the biggest shooting. So it's probably Gettysburg. Yes. Right. When was the last time you heard a gun? Antagonists say, remember Vegas, we got to get rid of guns, never, never. Right. And you know why. So it rolls to the next interview and it's my croc new network. Same guy. He tells the same story. Now he's looking a little more emotional and his story changes. Just a little, just a little around the edges. And then it rolls the next. Interview. And there's my cronch again. And I go, why, you got 22,000 people and why are you interviewing my crack? And then there were oddities that were always showing up like some lady walking through the crowd saying, you're all gonna die tonight and they will, they carted her away and things like that. Yeah, yeah, weird stuff. And so I tried to figure out who my crack was. He's just some hick from Alaska, right? He's some huck from Alaska. After the fact, I looked and just picture him holding an elk by the horns that he shot. The next day the head of the police said, there's no way one guy did it. The following day said one guy, did it takes a long time to show one guy. Did it, right? That's, that's something you don't know. There's a lot of debris before you figure that out. There's now a documentary called route 41. So I dug into this you what I noticed is you stayed with a story for about two weeks Maybe and you were bringing up you and coulter jumped in, you know paddock was making money how playing video poker That's his that's the way of making a living. That's like saying i'm a professional crack head and uh And then what happens is there was shooting all over the place. There was shooting everywhere

Tucker [00:40:46] in the city that day.

Dave Collum [00:40:47] In the city that night. And so now there's, if you don't believe me, there's this documentary called Route 41 and they got stuff I didn't know about, but they also got stuff that I, so it's kind of an answer key for me to use academic terms. And if you watch Route 41, you will see there were shooters everywhere. There are cop cameras showing shooters. Remember the guy who got shot in the leg up on the floor where Paddock was? Yes, the hotel employees. Some guy named Jesus or something, right? Some illegal with two self-security numbers. And, and, and then afterwards reports try to get to his house, his house is being protected by, by cars. They had no license plates. And, and then all of a sudden he goes to Mexico and when asked, well, where'd he go? They said, well he was planning a trip to Mexico. So when I wrote it, I said, Oh, by the way, Jesus, when you get back, could you stop in? We've got some questions for you. Right. And then he comes back and he does one interview on Ellen DeGeneres. And Alan introduced him saying, and he's there with a handler I had already seen. I'm going, wait a minute. That guy, I've been seeing that guy a lot. That other guy. So Jesus is looking at his feet. His name isn't Jesus, but it's something like that. Alan introduced saying, this is the only interview you're gonna do and you gotta get it off your chest. I'm gone, oh shit, here we go. And then the handler is doing all the talking. Jesus is lookin' at his feed. And then we never hear about Jesus again, probably he's in some shallow grave somewhere because he's too inconvenient.

Tucker [00:42:19] I tried to interview him at the time. Really? Yes. Couldn't get to him, could you? He drove to Mexico from Vegas. Right. Two of them. Yeah, probably with an escort. Yeah. Then he came back and, uh, yeah, I tried, I tried my hardest.

Dave Collum [00:42:31] Alan works for the company that owns Mandalay.

Tucker [00:42:36] His handler.

Dave Collum [00:42:37] No, no, Ellen DeGeneres. Oh, Ellen, I'm so sorry. Yeah, and so they're buttoning it down. Now, what you see from Route 41 video is there was just an enormous amount of chaos. There's enormous numbers of shooters. Even that night you were seeing videos from cab drivers saying they're shooting over here, they're shoot over there. And there would be some chaos, but there's way too much. There's guys who took. Audios and said, here's here, bam, bam. Bam, bam here. That, that, that that, that. And so you could hear multiple guns, the whole thing. So then what happened? My crock, I start reading trauma surgeons saying there's something wrong with the story. You know, if you get hit with, you know, what was it? AR 15 or something. Yeah. And a 308. You're going to die out there. You going to bleed out right there. Even if it doesn't hit a major artery, you're just going to turn your leg to jello.

Tucker [00:43:30] Three chest wounds from a rifle? Yeah!

Dave Collum [00:43:31] Yeah. So, so what would he look like? And so then I saw an interview of a, of a young woman and she's sitting there in a chair in the hospital and they're interviewing her. I'm going, you look pretty perky. And, um, and, and then Mike Cronk with a news crew goes in and interviews his friend. Now, first and foremost, we know HIPAA says you ain't bringing a news crew into a hospital room. Second, we now three shots to the chest. He'd be in the ICU. The only way you do it is a lie. Is that there'd be a beeping on the screen and he'd have hoses coming out of every orifice and he would look dead. And so they take the news crew and they interview his friend. He's got a nasal cannula, a nasal canula. So I'm sitting there thinking, oh, so you're talking with three holes in your chest. What are you sticking your fingers so the air doesn't come flying out of your chest holes? Right? And then I notice the screen's not even plugged in. Now, what is Mike Cronk now? He's a state senator from Alaska, in Alaska. I think he's a State level state senator. What? Yeah. Who's the chief of police? He became governor of Nevada or something. So again, so there's a guy named John Cullen, who did an analysis of the shooting and his conclusion. No, no, no. No, this felt different. John worked for orically some on-the-spectrum codehead. He also analyzed the Butler shooting, the audios of the Butler Shooting.

Tucker [00:45:07] He's an on-the-spectrum code hit.

Dave Collum [00:45:09] He's on the spectrum cone head. He, he, he sort of bears down and grabs on something a little too firmly, I think. But, but, but he brings as on the spectrum cone heads. Yeah, I know. And he, there was pretty good evidence that a lot of the shooting was coming from helicopters behind the Mandalay and he tracked the transponders turning on and off behind the mandalay. The story was that Mohammed bin Salman was on the top floor.

Tucker [00:45:33] The Crown Prince of ruler Saudi Arabia.

Dave Collum [00:45:35] Yes, yes a guy who lots of people would like to kill and his theory is is that the Saudis tried to flush him out of there and on the way out they would camp him. They blew it. If that's the story, they blew it, I think the helicopter idea is not bad, but I did a couple of podcasts with John and I said, John, but what about all the shooting on the ground? And John was kind of dismissive. I go, you can't dismiss it. You can't let that stuff go. Your models got to include that. But it occurred. A year later, Mohammed, remember when Khashoggi got killed? What was his name? Jamal Khashogi. Now, a non-Khashogui is one most famous CIA guys on the planet. Jamal Kashoghi is the one who got diced up and fed to the camels. Now he's a New York Times reporter. I think he was also CIA.

Tucker [00:46:28] Washington Post columnist. Yeah, and he was killed in

Dave Collum [00:46:32] in the embassy.

Tucker [00:46:34] Istanbul, I believe

Dave Collum [00:46:38] Supposedly on the anniversary of the Vegas shootings, supposedly Muhammad bin Salman had a party, locked the doors and showed a video of him getting sliced up and said to the royal sitting in the room, don't even think about it. When I wrote about Khashoggi, I was having a cover Khashogy, right? When he got killed, I'm going, we're killing tens of thousands of Yemenis. We killed 5 million people in the middle East directly and indirectly due to our post 9 11 responses, right. And I called him ODK one dead Khashogi. I said, it is insane to worry about one dead guy in a region of the world where people die for no reason.

Tucker [00:47:22] All the time. Who was at war with his own government, the Saudi government? I mean, I'm obviously not for vivisecting people, but I also think like, yeah, there's a scale of evil and starving kids is worse than what happened in Khashoggi. I agree with you.

Dave Collum [00:47:41] So you are the only mainstream guy who I watch steadily on this story, staying with the Vegas shootings, noting that there's something wrong.

Tucker [00:47:50] We got very hassled by law enforcement in Las Vegas, which was, you know, I worked at Fox news, obviously at the time and big supporters of law enforcement. I've always been a big support of law enforcement. We've never gotten hassled anywhere. Just the opposite. Oh, you work for Fox news. Oh my gosh. Of course. Slow down. The official law enforcement is what got you. Man. I mean, they blocked our camera position. Oh yeah. They were totally opposed to us doing that. I've never had that experience.

Dave Collum [00:48:17] So let's stay on the shootings just briefly. Uvalde, there's problems all over that shooting. Remember that shooting in Texas where the guy got into the school. I knew the mayor, yes. There's problems over the place because first of all, there's something like 800 law enforcement guys within reach of the damn thing. And there's a ton of like 5,000 people. And then they didn't go in for 78 minutes or something. I go, excuse me, you show me 10 cops, By eight of them have kids. But right now I'm reading a book called The Moral Animal. It's about human behavior. And out of those eight, eight would have gone into, I don't care what you say, I'm going in. You give me a soccer mom, she's going in, right? And then there was the mom who did go in and her story was incoherent. Her story, she came out and she said this and then she said, this, and it was not consistent. And I'm going, that's just a narrative thrown on top of it. So what are we looking at here? So K-Fabe. What does that mean? K-fabe is something Eric Weinstein wrote about. He was asked to write an essay with a bunch of other scholarly types. And he said that politics was K- Fabe. It was professional wrestling. There's all these layers, there's all these tricks, it's way more sophisticated than people think. The way you get, the way you engage the audience and you have some reality and some non-reality and things change and he talked about politics being kayfabe. I don't think anything you see can be interpreted literally and at face value.

Tucker [00:49:57] What would be the purpose, however?

Dave Collum [00:50:02] As I was telling you, a friend's binding all my annual reviews, and I will probably make $1,000 off this. I mean, this is not getting rich. I'm paid probably 0.001 cents per hour pay for this task. I had to go back. I've been proofing the drafts from previous years, and what I noticed about 2013-1415 is something's changed. And what's changed is You could get facts and you felt like you were getting, and the stories would break and they would stay that way and they wouldn't be shifting around. And you could say, okay, here's what happened in here, here, and this piece fits in here. And now you can't. Now it's like, and we talked about using tribe metaphors. Here's one, but I really like it. It's like when your GPS starts randomly rerouting you. And our GPS just keeps ranting, rerouting, and I go, I'm not taking that right turn now, you know? So you just boot the GPS and you break out your gazetteer and you figure out where you're going, right? And so our GPS is rerouting us constantly. And one of your guests, Mike Benz, who I occasionally chat with briefly, who's very impressive. And as I've said, I don't know everything about him. And I don't mean just. In a casual way, I think there's a complex story there. But right now he's saying the right stuff. He gave a talk one day where he talked about how around 2013, the so-called deep state, which is a term I've tried to figure out where it came from. And I think the guy who gets the most credit is kind of Peter Dale Scott, who wrote about drug trafficking, Berkeley professor, and he called it deep politics. But I think it predates that, but that's where I get it from. He said the deep state realized they were losing control of the narrative. They had underestimated the internet and social media. Exactly. And as a consequence, they had to get a hold of it completely and so then this is where we're at. Now, we thought Trump was going to save us. We thought Elon was going save us, my Twitter feed is a dumpster fire. So instead of taking away data, they provide excess noise. So now. So now instead of trying to suppress the signal, you just increase the noise.

Tucker [00:52:36] I think that's very deep and I think it points to what's happening. I would think it's clearly true.

Dave Collum [00:52:42] So what is the fact that was the title last year's write-up? What is the fact?

Tucker [00:52:48] Yeah, it's impossible. You can't actually control the, and you can't restrict the flow of information across the internet.

Dave Collum [00:52:56] So you throw debris out there. Yeah. Right. It's like, it's just like the pilots who, who throw the debris out the back of the plane so that the guided missiles don't know what to hit. Of course. Exactly. Right. And they also throw out debris so that, so that then they can prove that it's not true. So you feel like an idiot.

Tucker [00:53:14] QAnon was clearly that.

Dave Collum [00:53:17] Q&A.

Tucker [00:53:19] Was going on. I don't know.

Dave Collum [00:53:21] I, I avoid, you know, I'd be listening to something and it would have useful information and all of a sudden then it would show the whole and here's Trump and his generals are going to save the world.

Tucker [00:53:29] No, I agree. For Christ sakes. But the interesting, I never knew anything about QAnon. I never paid any attention at all. I have a good friend who I really admire as much smarter than I am, who, because he is smarter than am, took like a year to look into QAnons. What'd he get? I don't fully understand it, but here's what I understand is that, you know, some of the predictions in QAnOn came true. I mean, it's a sophisticated thing. It's not just.

Dave Collum [00:53:55] Oh, I think it's a bunch of ex-spooks.

Tucker [00:53:57] For sure. It's not a bunch of college kids on 4chan or whatever they claim it was.

Dave Collum [00:54:04] These are guys who are probably pissed that the system went bad.

Tucker [00:54:08] The point of it, it's unclear who's behind it. I have some theories, but people I know actually, but I don't know if they're true. But what is obvious to me is that it's a control mechanism trying to siphon off some of that energy and move it in a way.

Dave Collum [00:54:26] Siphoning off the energy.

Tucker [00:54:27] That's exactly right.

Dave Collum [00:54:30] Focus on Wuhan, right, focus on the lab in Wuhan.

Tucker [00:54:36] It's all American politics, like have a race war, leave us alone as we loot your country.

Dave Collum [00:54:41] There's a meme out there, there's a joke where the king and his right-hand man, his chief of staff are looking at the angry townspeople, some have pitchforks and some have torches and the king says, you don't have to worry, you just convince the guys with the pitchfarks or the enemies of the guys who have the torches.

Tucker [00:55:01] So you said that focus on Wuhan. I've, I've fallen for that, for that squirrel, squirrel, uh, thing. Um, why a blind, not fine.

Dave Collum [00:55:13] This is Squirrel.

Tucker [00:55:15] That's funny. That's real. I'm stealing that. Making a note.

Dave Collum [00:55:18] That's an original. I never know if I heard it and forgot where I got it, but that's an original.

Tucker [00:55:27] What is that distracting?

Dave Collum [00:55:28] I think it is great you put me in an asylum.

Tucker [00:55:33] Under asylum overnight.

Dave Collum [00:55:34] Yeah. Yeah. My, my, my hotel's a former asylum. Really? Yeah. You didn't ask? No. Oh yeah. It's a former asylum and I said, you finally got it right.

Tucker [00:55:44] Well, I think there's, there's wisdom here. Um, there is wisdom here, what are they distracting us from by having this focus on Wuhan?

Dave Collum [00:55:50] Well, huge amounts of grift. You had, uh, you interviewed, um, Catherine Austin fits. Yes. I've been blessed. Smart woman. So I come out of nowhere. I have no credentials beyond those that I can create. Right. And I think one of the ways you created is by being truthful. Yes. And I know truth is everything to you.

Tucker [00:56:12] I try to make

Dave Collum [00:56:13] And actually in this book, The Moral Animal, they say the reason we self-dilute is so that you can be truthful and deceive your opponent. That's what self-delusion is. And I've been adopted by some people who didn't have to adopt me. And so, for example, I'm tight with Steve Hanke, who's a famous economist. And Catherine has been very supportive. And there's several dozen who somehow have decided that I'm worth their time and helped me. And, and so they're, they're useful to chat with. They're useful too, but, but Catherine's story and a lot of people think Catherine's nuts, right? But, but she talks about the huge amount of resources that have been siphoned off and the tens of trillions of dollars of resources.

Tucker [00:57:14] I know Catherine Austin Fitz, you can disagree with her. She's not nuts. That's not true. She's now what? Nuts.

Dave Collum [00:57:19] Oh, no, I don't think she is nuts, right? No, no. She's a grounded person. She could have things wrong, but that's totally different. And I had a friend, another friend who I think is phenomenal, tell me that she's nuts and don't get near her. And I said, no I don't t think so. But we all can get sucked down into the rabbit hole to the point you can't get out too. There are days where I wish, why don't you just go play golf? Yeah. Or right now I'm on a, my house is hanging off a hundred foot cliff looking west over Cougar Lake. I can literally throw rotten food off my deck and drop it down into that drink from, I'll show you afterwards, I'll share your photos. The view is such that if, there are places in the country where the view would cost $20 million, not in Ithaca, of course. Um, and, uh, And, uh, and I have people come and visit. It's beautiful. I can't remember why I said that. That's probably saying.

Tucker [00:58:22] People dismiss, um, you know, the, the few who are just committed to pursuing truth no matter what as crazy. And you gave Katherine Austin Fitz as an example, and you, but you said you can actually go crazy by looking too carefully into what actually happened.

Dave Collum [00:58:39] Broke the small New York State smallmouth bass record about three years ago, broke the New York state large mouth bass record last year. And I used to fish all the time when I was a kid and I haven't fished it. What's wrong with this picture?

Tucker [00:58:52] If you've got smallmouth bass there, I think you need to fish it on a fly rod and it'll totally change your life.

Dave Collum [00:58:57] It's not a fly ride. It's a deep lake. It it's a but you can catch them on the surface with

Tucker [00:59:01] popper, and if you do, if you catch a sizable smallmouth on a popper on a fly rod, you know...

Dave Collum [00:59:06] I'm an 18 foot deep short guy.

Tucker [00:59:08] But, um... Sinking line.

Dave Collum [00:59:10] But, but, so, you know, my wife thought that I had fish removed from my thumbs, because she never saw a picture of me that didn't have a fish hanging off my hand. But I haven't fished it.

Tucker [00:59:21] Because you're absorbed in trying to figure out what's happening.

Dave Collum [00:59:22] I'm absorbed in raising kids. I'm observed in other things. My wife has issues I got to help her with. And I have this fear of buying a boat.

Tucker [00:59:34] But you, as someone who has taken, you know, ample intellectual energy and intelligence and focused it on trying to figure out what are we watching, which I think is like a fair way to describe what you're doing, like, what is this? What's the truth of it? Has that been? Worth doing? That's the question.

Dave Collum [00:59:57] And that is the question. And there was a time where I thought if I could get to the truth, then that would help in some way. But now it's not as clear. Tell me what. Well, you know, now, first of all, what is the truth? Right? The truth is now becoming very ambiguous. Last year I wrote about the history of World War II. I did a mini Daryl Cooper, and it started when I read a book by Diana West, who would be good if you interviewed her. And it was, it's a revisionist history of world war two. And you go, well, why would you want to read that? Well, it turns out I think the story we got about world war two is all wrong.

Tucker [01:00:35] That's right

Dave Collum [01:00:36] And then I read about FDR, and FDR's right-hand man was a Soviet spy.

Tucker [01:00:41] It certainly was.

Dave Collum [01:00:42] Right, and they're informed.

Tucker [01:00:43] Confirmed, confirmed.

Dave Collum [01:00:44] We should have been, one can make the argument we should have sided with Hitler and fought Stalin. Patton said that, so, and maybe there wouldn't have been a holocaust, right? You know, there's, but Stalin was awful by any metric and we weren't his ally. The story is that there were a few missing American soldiers at the end of World War II in Russian territory, 15 to 20,000 were missing and we left them there. And then you read about Pearl Harbor. We all sort of know the Pearl Harbor stories, not what we were told, but I dug into that and you find out the Pearl, we knew to the morning that Pearl Harbor was going to get attacked. Stalin was going be attacked. He wanted us to take the Japanese off his flank. And FDR's right-hand man was okay with that because he was a Soviet spy, right? And I read about FDR and the Great Depression, find out that every single penny he spent trying to help The forgot, Amity Shlaes, the forgotten man, was spent to buy votes every last penny. He was a sociopath. And every, the only thing he could do was lie. He was compulsive liar. His inner circle had to constantly cover for his lying. And the only things he's used for now is every time you want to grow government, you cite FDR. And so I read a half a dozen books that sort of went at these different angles and I'm proud about it. So I start out knowing nothing and then I write about it and I try to write to learn, which is the most terrifying part of AI, by the way. If you take out the writing, you take out, you take out the thought.

Tucker [01:02:19] I completely agree.

Dave Collum [01:02:20] The other thing that scares me about it, boy, they're a squirrel. AI is going to make this system very unforgivingly brittle. I'm not worried as much about the authoritarian slant that Elon occasionally talks about, which might be just to fake us out, who knows. I am worried that we're going to reach a point where, you know, when everything computer does is binary. So you go to the grocery store, you slip your credit card in, it says you're good to go or didn't work. Swipe it again. Didn't work, sorry, you're out of here, right? They debank people, this is a big problem. What happens when everything is so AI'd up That that there's no person anywhere with an earshot who can help you at all. No one who can say, okay, let me get this for you.

Tucker [01:03:05] Right, there's been a misunderstanding or there's some sort of human nuance required.

Dave Collum [01:03:08] Like yeah, I had that the other day on a credit card where I was talking to the lady and it kept sending me in these loops and she finally straightened out. But what happens when the code is being written by computers so there's no human who understands the code? So the system will be very brittle, be very unforgiving. Forget about whether it's used nefariously, forget about whether someone uses it as an authoritarian tool, which is a very real possibility. And I worry about that a lot. Just the fact that no one will know who's driving the cab ever on anything. And also now you're taking out the intellectual part. So when I write, when you write, when I wrote a scientific paper, the project's not done until I've written it because that's where you lay it out. And if you can't put it on paper, coherently with no internal contradictions, you're not done. Understanding it. You're not done understanding it, but the writing is understanding.

Tucker [01:04:02] So I think people who don't write for a living or aren't forced to write regularly don't understand this concept is a hard one But the it's through writing or I would also say speaking, you know public speaking that Putting concepts into words makes the concepts intelligible to the person who's articulating them Like you don't really understand something until you've been forced to right about it

Dave Collum [01:04:26] It's like a comedy shop. The great comedians will go down to the cheapo come

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