Barry Keane seminar on Harold Rydberg -DPUK Canterbury 2018

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so let us not be blind to our differences but let us also direct
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attention to our common interest and the means by which those differences can be
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resolved and if we cannot end now our differences at least we can help make
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the work at safe but diversity for in the final analysis our most basic common
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link is that we all inhabit this small planet we all breathe the same air we
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all have cherish our children's future and we are all mortal
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just to remind you of that self I'm
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gonna talk about someone who I became a
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good friend of mine this is pretty much
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his personal story I don't have any thought was smoking guns or any revelations to want you today but really
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it just a record of his personal quest right there any historical happily
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because as it'll unfold you'll find out know what happens right though did back
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in 1994 this is Harold riper 1962 he joined the
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edge to make a medical school is a medical miracle training medical de strangeness in Spain tonight about 1954
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what if boolean Chicago reigned in Sarasota in Florida and he joined the US Navy as a hospital cause the man s for
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lack of Minnick you know he he did all the medical training up to would just be
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like becoming a doctor although he's not a doctor we know the kind of doctor you
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know most of the medical procedures of doctors know so he was taken to confer the commercial doctors and I think that
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understanding each other they joined the Navy in 1958 and then the nurse actually
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saw him do some drawings and she's quite impressive what he was doing and said
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there's a medical illustration school pathetic why don't you try and see who
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can get in there because you know you've got a talent for it and he didn't he got in in 1962 and he went through the
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training and within a year he was appointed the actual senior medical
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illustrator so he was quite quite a fast learner
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these are a couple of by the way him I'm going to be showing you some actual original documents which skips in to me
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shortly before he died these are actual original certificates he got during
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these training and many of the documents I'm going to be showing you today are in this folder if anybody wants a closer
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look
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but lean adjustment certificates that he achieved an e-book from 1963 on the day
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of the assassination he was teaching a class of four students the professor the
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muscle system and this is the drawing that he did or the adult male muscle system the jogging is quite impressive
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Dorian never happy with the world position so this is what the many people
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ad Medical Center look like in 1963 on the day of the assassination as the same
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as teaching for students I heard about the assassination he stopped the class and I said he said I can't really do any
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teaching today off so here is just reading those and then on in that day on that they need he and all the other all
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the enlisted men were ordered to put their ceremonial uniforms on there like
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all the dress blues and they will line up that and copy seeing that people that
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direction semicircular Drive and he was standing just on the right
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probably just outside the picture when the the entourage motorcade come from Andrews Air Force Base with with Jackie
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Kennedy Bobby and all the others with apparently the coffee and he actually
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saw Sylvia coughing arrived and he saw the entourage get out the front of the
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hospital which used what I was Carla just been either talk building and the
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actual admin is that the copy was supposed to be stood outside the front
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for about 10 minutes before and many you probably know that one of
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the autopsy technicians of the x-ray technicians had already taken x-rays of
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Kennedy's bottom when he witnessed the arrival of Jackie Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy which is another mystery I'm not
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gonna go into that they're gonna come to try on their on skip right first experience because he wasn't happy
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autopsy say doesn't have a personal experience right this is Captain John
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stow giri's the commanding officer of the Navy medical school on March the 13th 1964 Rydberg was called into his
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office because he was needed to assist
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he was impossible in their upcoming testimony before the world Commission they needed medical illustrations to
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illustrate their testimony you call the Commission because they weren't allowed to use the photographs all the x-rays
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and they have to show the commission members something that they could look at and describe what they did here in
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the autopsy reflecting on the secret orders and this is a document he had to
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sign then he says Tommy said you're
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hereby assigned special duty of a nature which you were in choir you're a plant attention and the duties that he
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described to you in a mustn't talk about it and except among these four people I
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was stone refuse possible to feel such attorneys and if you do you're liable to
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court-martial so basically this was a threat they're threatening the court-martial you talked about what he
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did on their weekend now we have a cover story in case anybody asking what he was
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doing that weekend and now this was his cover story and a nuclear submarine
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sent in 92 off the coast of Boston and that was his
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cover story that he was working on diagrams as someone in the reader to help in the recovery of attitude
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submarines these are the three autopsy
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citizens the tunic on the left possible and James Lee thinks they were action stations of the air Medical Center and
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it's going to write that tenant Colonel appear pink he came from the alter ego
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slit hospital he was a ballistics expert the only one that had any real forensic
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pathology pathological experience basically administrators he was the only
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one that really but it was students
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whose was the enjoyment of the autopsy and didn't arrive until about that
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evening anyway he was well underway so he painted features so but they're just
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the use of in charges possible with
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assisting students as well and if I need the Detroit did that weekend now they
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have published in the Warren Commission got 26 2013 16 I believe in black and
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white in monochrome in operates they're not very good reproductions but they were actually done in watercolor
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so if you'd only actually look when you give them back in 64 now I remember
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told me that on the Monday morning just before the earth they would give taken
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to the to where they were going to be shown to the Commission
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they were stood around at an office against the wall and hues possible snow
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glut and right will stand up if these droids and he was huge
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he's up to these and he said yeah I think we can get one of these which was
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a quite elevated on it but there's problems with these registration there
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you have to remember this is back in nineteen sixty four of them the war on the quarters published in September of
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64 or the autopsy photograph were not available to the public so the only
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illustrations that anybody could see will see three drawings and now if you look at this one commissioned exhibit 386 to be compared
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with an autopsy photograph which eventually came out to give me ideas the
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bullet wound in the in the in the next as shown in the drawing it's obviously
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much higher than than the actual bullet wound in the back but that's one example
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about inaccurate these drawings are on the homeless leave the mail that's
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another one skip story shows Kennedy's head tilted
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quite you know dramatically forward to give the impression that the bullet came
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from the six ball depository but you can look at the Sabrina Coltrane one just
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before that is shot and met skips drawing with the supernal frame you can
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see can possibly come from the Book Depository this other one didn't even
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North though this is skips her drawing this one was done by a medical
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illustrator I would I have Doc's this is a exhibit jet paid 65 because I have
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Select Committee on assassinations and you can see she is placed to wound
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much higher than the original drawing the right both of you so they both can't
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be right there's another example of a misleading these stories all right it's something
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like I'm reading is again quite recently and I the full impact of what what
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you're going to read now didn't really hit me until they done it exactly an amazing amazing Spanky to me this was a
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memo that I love Specter wrote to JD ranking who was the the chief lawyer for
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the Warren Commission in 1964 April 30 1964 the Commission should determine
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with certainty that there are no major variations between the films and the artists drawings gets drawings these
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Commission exhibits remains from the recollections of the autopsy started surgeons basic basically they told you
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what to draw no no but he wasn't happy autopsy didn't have any photograph
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things literally verbal instructions that it makes is really incredible space
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when you consider the earth was gonna be
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something wrong because he said in the same memo someday something may compare
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the films with the artists drawings and find a significant error which might eventually affect the essential
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testimony and the Commission's conclusions I think that's an incredible
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statement was that that's exactly what's happening people don't do question these drawings then he goes on to say I
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suggest that the Commission transmits to the Attorney General which would Bobby Kennedy it's reasons for wanting films
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they wanted them to sole purpose of collaborating or correcting the drawings
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for the film not because a finish so the inspector asked you something
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huge in his testimony would it be helpful to the artist in the three defining the drawings if they should
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because that should become necessary to have a fragrance in the photographs or x-rays of the president and use replies
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if it were necessary to have them absolutely construed the scope ha if it
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was necessary you have the truth this property the autopsy of the century was
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absolutely crucial like them to have them through the scale I think it would
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be virtually impossible for him to do this without the photographs inspector are somewhat is a reason for
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the necessity and I've read this I
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thought make hidden the tower you can read it if you can understand this you're a person than I but but the
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important part is the last part of his reply I cannot transmit completely to
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the illustrator where they the woods were situated
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they even Hughes himself Spectre they knew they were worthless but even
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knowing that they're worthless and known as some when the photographs were eventually going to come out sooner or
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later it would question that the Commission's conclusions and yet they still use the growing example of the
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cover-up the Warren Commission was actually these would be the fee drawings
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that raipur drew in 1977 he donated for the sixth floor Museum they drew these
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basically you don't
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as well in the document
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he actually used one of the drawings in his book that he wrote this is a novel
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based on his own personal research it's very difficult to get hold of I'm trying
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to get onto the copy because he's grounded all tools to go with coffee and he's very difficult is out of print and
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if anybody knows where I can get a second copy at work will be later on and
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not too expensive anyway this is so the
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group of people on the edge of this captain stronger the skin right bone is
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second from the right I don't know the other two guys in a little but it's going to be presented us with a certificate boy Go Go but it's a
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chapel on the right anybody know who that is you know Pizza Pizza will ya let that
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come under your hips up now he was the chief of the educational
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and sometimes they had a closed-circuit television camera in the auto in the in
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the wall built up being the favorite right and they transmitted pictures to places like the Walter Reed Hospital
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but he's interesting the ecologist Canadian grounds because this guy Dennis
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David it was a native Horseman epithet about only a 22nd he was the chief of
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the day was like sort of an administrator he got drafted security for the hospital after hours and the
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officers died because it was had to ever an officer who was in charge of everybody that happened to be Boswell
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now Dennis David when in sooth it's the
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studio do they have the assassination and so fits up with a movie editing machine and it was a movie film
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according to value of the your son and there were all sorts of slice of the
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autopsy now this film has never never you know surface and what was
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interesting about this case is that pits himself apparently committed suicide in
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knocked over 1966 just before he was due to leave the Navy and take up the job as
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a television studio where he was about to make help make the documentary on his
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knowledge of the JFK assassination so this is just one of those intriguing stories and it may never be resolved
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because the film is garden pitch was gone in Venezuela
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this is just a picture of a skip in his office in 1973 though that's not very
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destroying that's just like his desk right this is a picture of skip getting
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a letter of commendation a couple of weeks after you did the drawings from Stover and this is a scan of the actual
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letter as I said it earlier you can all have a look and actually action letter
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you can see on the screen many of the other slides I'm going to show you which
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is look at that that's original that completely I don't know coffee stains were there but the interesting part is
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the second paragraph now highlight highlight of the earth the thing I want
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in this perspective says the illustrations thus produced most accurately depict depicted the situation
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required and immeasurably assisted the medical presentation what the situation
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required was but I'll leave you to come to a conclusion about that this is a
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skip and three other guys who received an award outstanding young men of
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America as in 1967 right this is from
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these or in-house newspaper that they published Hospital where the states that are
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skipping actually wrote a complete
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medical illustration training manual because one didn't exist here over 600 Quaker manual with 200 of these drawings
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and this is like sort of the standard training manual for years to do that he
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completed in 1967 this is skip in his
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office again so this is around about 67 68 and that's one of his students on the
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left there now she's interested because she was the
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first weight vehicle registration students remember this is 19 mid-60s so
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for women to get yes it took a long time like that or will be reclaimed
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prominently in the workplace and so on wave actually stands for women accepted
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for volunteer emergency service and she's like the American equivalent of the rains the here women's role may be
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service this was an article within the
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Navy Medical News about it's really about two of these students that's deep
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organs we are going and another student Lee West must be interested because he
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did a drawing which I've never seen before the move professor they do this
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in 1968 I may have changed slightly from the autopsy what was it like during the
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autopsy but you can see the sort of gallery area
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on the left the the two sort of journeys all of you to be told of where the
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autopsy took place Paul O'Connor was at
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the autopsy did destroy in 1992 and he showed you have weather weather year
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coughing payment of the letter she didn't it was a shitty task you don't the all-night just get there was
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actually Kennedy was putting them on board Air Force One are you metal box
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and he was placed against the ones of the autopsy table on the right and that's where the autopsy was performed
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that he actually in bombing took place on the other on the other this is a
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drawing that right but it did in nineteen 2003 now he wasn't at the autopsy service he just drew this from
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memory starting places huge fees it is
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yet the correct title worthy old Association took place right and in 1968
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skip was due to leave the Navy he wanted better the recommendation from Boswell
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and Hughes he wrote this letter to boss Warner identical letter to two kids
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asking for recommendations he got a require from London again this is the
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actual letter that you sent him it said with the great place that I
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write to you express my gratitude appreciation for your excellent service to me and my associates in the field of
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the medical illustration and he goes on to the world to mention the for the sake of President Kennedy this
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is a part of the ledger this is the one he got from
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buzzlog the boss wall was very unhappy
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was possible a completely different character from humans was a very sort of
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a very confident man where as possible what a great author a company essentially let humans build most of the
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most of they made all the decisions and he just went along with it but here up in this letter I continued to be
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somewhat circumspect about putting anything in writing or discussing this
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due to continuing controversy it just he just he couldn't bring himself to
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actually mention the fact that these stories you know which was nothing to quite remarkable the difference between
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the two vectors these are just some newspaper articles just showing what did
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during his career summers this particular one on the left he just about you generally but then he starts like
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artemus like to hear about skips doubt
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about Eric through these drawings were an example the one on the Left said he
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was writing at second thoughts about Kennedy assassination and he was starting to get Phillip Reed unsure
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about who knows I've been using anyone an historical document which was a which was be natural there's a few more notice
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of the nature finish an article that appeared in hustler magazine in May of 1980 for that particular month he needed
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to guest editorial he wrote about his experiences during these drawing Danette
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caught the eye of one of the early researchers Paul hop and that began the
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strange of letters and I've actually got the original the game fiendish folder if you want to see them and all pop you know the green
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see what what skip did and he wrote him a number of occasions trying to get
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something to major then skips beautiful what he did that's just the first letter
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that awkward write some more newspaper
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articles period but these are all in local newspapers get was working in
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North Carolina so I said he just didn't get national certainly international coverage but nothing nothing coming in
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and you'd be trying to get access to the drawings for nothing that's going to though none of these articles in his
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publicity was that he go to another time a few more there right beginning in 1970
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when it was art director and medical illustrator at the University of Alabama he started to write into various
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powerful Washington politicians in an effort to get permission to see the original autopsy photos and x-rays
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that's a picture of the University of Alabama comment want to make if you see
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the lamppost between the two front doors nothing to do good right over the door on the left that's where George Wallace stood when
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he was trying to prevent Vivian Malone and James those from injury fortunately
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found nothing to do
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right here on - is it in 1970 he wrote to John Chafee was Nixon Secretary of
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the Navy at the time now chappie didn't didn't reply this guy did because he
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sent her a copy of the letter to him as well and he might be what all he did was say no I'm sure that the Secretary will
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be carefully consider the matter that you've raised but hear anything nice of
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one reply from Jung Sparkman who was the chairman of the committee on banking and
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currency what one of the powerful members of the Senate then again thank
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you very much for your letter I'll see what I can do for you he wrote to Nixon
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and he got reply he was sent to a Herald I sort of Joseph grinders at the
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department the Navy and he taught to read basically about what happened to
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the administration then effectively he wrote at the end that we know further
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information is available the curvy owned any assistance to you just up against
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this brick wall every time you know I want to be out help it he wrote to Ted
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Kennedy and got a predictable response one of these assistants wrote back and
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said fortunes are not able to assist you but now during this time he was in
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contact with professor become neurology at slum university he
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did a series of pamphlets now he supported the CEO for Experian at the
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other level setting and so on skip didn't agree with him but they were across one stage with each other again
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is his schedule of the original letter that we see from latigo now these he did
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say I'm sorry of some of our colleagues in other words some of medical people and so on
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I've given you a hard time because it was not your fault that's the only one of the few people actually recognize that it wasn't his
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fault these drawings are inaccurate here up to Jimmy Carter and he got required from
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power pink in the general service administration and now this was started
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interested because he said why don't you contact Burke Marshall who's the Kennedy
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family representative he was very helpful that he gave birth Davis get
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Marshalls address so try me because he's a chap you really need to get permission
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from to see these pictures in the meantime he got a letter from the
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Surgeon General Vice Admiral Harrison relinquish him from that the the
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document you sign of secrecy doctor nice long back in the sixties but he was talking about it anyway he been back to
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ignore death stopping me son but this was officially saying that he could who if he was go before the House Select
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Committee on assassinations that quite happy for him to but so then what he
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what you witnessed noise so so he was never called anyway well he's a couple
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of letters to me think back from Marshall the one of his rights the
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interesting ones final letter he felt because he was on the verge of giving to
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get permission but he put his respects and on him he said you can't reproduce
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these autopsy materials by drawings or other ones so the reason for you wanting
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these drawings will be negated because you're not have to do it so effectively
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he was saying yes you could have but you can't Oh business this is the actual diffuse
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working in Chicago for the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education I
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think that's that students whose handwriting I'm not shocked on I don't
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say that they need real authority by blue that is fair watching anyway they
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went to learn the restaurant this restaurant in Chapel Hill North Carolina Chapel Hill was actually um essentially
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fired by the University today they are the huge sort complex of buildings and
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they actually own this restaurant and he was at this restaurant he was talking to Hughes about the autopsy in about the
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Warren Commission so on and Hughes didn't give anything new but Hugh still botanist of the Warren Commission story
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but skinny new Hughes skip went to communities waiting stove the wind to it
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those will went to it you know he knew the dining table either in the night in the middle in the middle section of the
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military doesn't matter very much you're all medical personnel and you you know
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the fact that you are a higher rank doesn't carry any real way you socializing you you sort of knew each
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other much more there is another sort of the hierarchy wasn't the post focus or fixed they knew he knew he knew cotwell
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and humans had a way of telling you something but also looking at you in a
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certain way just to say that's not actually the truth but all I'm going to say another word he kept it back and he
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knew that there was something that huge wanted to say to him so he couldn't say
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he was sworn to secrecy Kinsey is was a military man he did what his commander
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in chief what Johnson wanted in the terminators bombs of the Warren Commission is verdict that he was a lot
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of necessity but he could tell it look to him he knew that there was something he desperately wanted to say that he was
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unable to say about like he was part of
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injustice this
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felt it's not that gave me about 10
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years ago multi-person terrorism true being that all right it's a very hairy
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[Music] anyways just a few photographs take me
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threat skips military career I looked at
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the bottle and I thought that to me looks like he's an extra from the musical South Pacific anyway that's just
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that one of the most recent photographs when he was in the name of the US Army Reserve on the left there right I wish I
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met in Dallas in the 2003 movie going to joint presentation at the large
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assortment the issues of the cut the photographs taken after he'd given his
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presentation when he was talking to the members of the audience but although he
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was 63 at the time he was always learning you know and he graduated in
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October 2004 and got his master's degree in forensic pathology
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you know the guy was distorted his thirst for knowledge that was incredible
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that was a quite a reason as in 2006
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again he was a local newspaper in in Florida brands like George McCain if
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you do a google for George McGinnis get right there you go she read his article
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and likely right this lets get that the final word this
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is a gift extract from these long to come along sir a presentation in 2003
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I'm also a my masters in general birthday psychology and get a jumper the
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PhD lied and to Superman secretary to
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the Warren Commission three times that might match that's like PC I'm going to
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string factually that's available to me
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to do I'm doing this because of my name
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Dame on my history that's not accurate
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and having gonna need to decide
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straightening out and for my children
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for grandchildren and the world because
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he died and shortly before he died said
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me as the size of these documents you simply enter the huge box wait about 20
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the entire research documents and he sent me these very very clean to get
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them but now I realize why descended so me that he wanted me to to be the
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custodian at least always work because he knew he was dying now I received these about thinking May he was made
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last year and I'm honored and privileged to be the custodian
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[Applause]
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okay there are not many people of integrity in this business in this whole
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Warren Commission medical investigation everything but he's one of them who's
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got my trophy there there are many heroes that come out of this thing Bobby
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Bowden yeah he was in he was in a comparatively powerless position where
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we can use one goes with could literally order to keep the smashed oh yeah we can
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fight it sorry back with you
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right
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periosteum fight to you when these theories was what you see well he must
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have wondered what really did happen did he did he ever try and find out but he
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did was searching you search it for 40 years for over 40 years he actually
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believed the Osmo did fire from the depository I don't agree but he does
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believe there was another shooter firing from probably the girls you know they
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eat got no more insight than anybody else's research his place he thinks that the that the FBI was involved Johnson
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was involved the CIA is involved he doesn't know he just basically on other
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people's work you know he has an electric insider he doesn't have any personal knowledge he did say to me that going back to the
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code I showed you a pathetic that there was talk about none of the decoy engines
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know that there was sort of general told there was a decoy hangman's to put the press off so them an end that's driving
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around around the back of them effectively of the hospital to try and throw the press off so you know there's
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lots of stories about what took place in the board and all these different classes that were running in the body
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was taken out one task it put back in there and all kinds of shenanigans going on which he obviously was not not privy
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to but you know he decide he p he had these theories he did have you see
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written he's in his book name up the
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head of the document in a form of the novel so he's putting words into people
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like who man Jones what was in today laughter obviously somebody make those words up but he thinks that the FBI the CIA Johnson the
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Mafia they're all they're all working together to assassinate I'm sure mention
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Johnson in March ever right he did he days last words at the end of the end of
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the composition 2003 remember George W just been elected he said in the world
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he said one man killed for it of another main scholar basically Johnson he
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believed Johnson killed to get a presidency and he believed that the bush stole the election by keeping the yeah
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out of the boat I think those are
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separate issues they also anyway that's basically skip
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story very own ID box
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II thought she was an incredible gonna straight it's pretty interesting but he
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did what he did saying that he was very
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impressed by her work for the yes committee and views were
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but actually she what the Scriptures
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were put on her when she he was given a
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Tracie's they actually published father perhaps of that committee is being exact
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renditions of the photographs anyway
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that but but before I go I want to do
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something else since 2013
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by being doing true Kennedy here and in
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here in Canterbury and also in London well I'm not going to give a long-winded one today I'm going to let JFK speak for
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himself actually I managed to go home to the
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three-volume edition of the public papers of John F Kennedy the Nords reading in running through
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that for 1963 and I came across the transcripts of the remarks he made in
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April they pretend actually in 1963 there was a group of foreign economic
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students visiting American businesses and he welcomed them to the White House
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a new cable she talked to them made a few a few remarks in the Rose Garden and it was concluding remarks I
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read that really make me so I can I found them to be very very poignant
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considering what happened to him later the whole thing that you read and
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listen the kid is a psycho so we're very
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glad to have you here I'm confident I'm talking you a number of future Prime Minister's presidents another I just want you to know that
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when you visit in that role decade Hanson that the counties are long gone
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but they're I sure you'll be equally welcome
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[Applause]