Ray McGovern & Graham E. Fuller: Trump Feeding Lies or Swallowed by Them

A candid discussion on global tensions, focusing on shifting Western attitudes toward Russia, the Ukraine war’s trajectory, and NATO’s future. The guests analyze political dynamics in Europe, leadership changes, and how sanctions and military policies are reshaping alliances. They explore Russia’s strategic patience, the myth of its expansionist threats, and growing European disillusionment with U.S.-led foreign policy. The conversation touches on potential flashpoints in the Caucasus, Iran’s regional role, and Turkey’s balancing act. A key theme is the erosion of trust in Western narratives, with observations on Zelensky’s declining image, Ukraine’s internal challenges, and possible leadership transitions. The interview also examines Trump’s unpredictable rhetoric, its impact on diplomacy, and whether it serves as a negotiation tactic or reflects deeper instability. Ultimately, the discussion highlights a world order in flux, where old alliances are fraying, new power centers are emerging, and the risk of miscalculation grows as Europe faces economic and strategic reckoning.