Frustration Is Fuel: How Smart Leaders Turn Struggle Into Momentum

Most leaders are stuck—and they don’t even know why.
In this episode, we break down why frustration is more than a feeling—it’s a signal you’re leading with the wrong approach. If your team is disengaged, your strategy’s stalled, or you’re grinding harder with less return, this conversation is your wake-up call.
I sit down with Andrew Oxley, founder of The Oxley Group and author of The 4 Faces of Frustration, to unpack the real reasons leaders stay overwhelmed—and how to shift from stuck to scalable. Andrew’s worked with leaders from CNN, Coca-Cola, and Progressive, and brings decades of no-fluff experience and practical tools to help leaders build momentum fast.

🚀 3 Leadership Takeaways:
✔️ Why most leaders default to busy work instead of solving the real issue
✔️ The “4 Faces of Frustration” and how to decode your own leadership blind spots
✔️ How mid-level leaders can reclaim time, clarity, and team engagement—without waiting for permission

⏳ Timestamps & Key Sections:
[00:00] – Intro: The Cost of Leading Without Purpose
Why leaders get stuck doing work that doesn’t move the needle.
Prompt: Have you ever questioned if your role is really making a difference?
[08:00] – From Engineer to Coach: Andrew Oxley’s Turning Point
How Andrew escaped the rat race and realized he was the problem—not the job.
[19:00] – Most Leaders Solve the Wrong Problem
Why going straight to “the plan” misses the most important step: clarity.
[24:30] – Rewriting Purpose: A Case Study from Mohawk Carpets
One mission shift that turned churn into career growth.
Prompt: How would your people describe the purpose of their work?
[36:00] – Leading from the Middle: The Strategy No One Teaches
How to lead up, down, and across without burning out.
[42:00] – Time Isn’t the Problem. Here’s What Is.
How to stop “spending time” and start investing it for real ROI.
[47:00] – Behind the Book: Why ‘The 4 Faces of Frustration’ Matters
What the colors mean, how people react under stress, and how to lead through it.
[53:00] – Humility, Passion, and the New Rules of Leadership
Why comfort kills growth—and how to rediscover your spark.
[59:00] – Final Tips + How to Work with The Oxley Group
Details on Andrew’s programs and a simple next step to begin transforming your results.

🔥 Key Moments to Watch:
• The mentor who told Andrew he was in the wrong career
• The phrase that helped him walk away from success—and into significance
• How one sentence reframed an entire company’s mission
• The unexpected truth about why most goals don’t inspire action
• What happens when you lead your team like an ingredient instead of a catalyst

🎙 Guest Introduction:
Andrew Oxley is a leadership strategist and executive coach with 30+ years of experience helping high-performing teams at companies like Coca-Cola, CNN, and Progressive. He’s the author of The 4 Faces of Frustration, a practical leadership fable that reveals how leaders unintentionally block their own success—and how to break the cycle.
Meet Andrew Oxley
Website: https://www.transformingresults.com/
4 Faces of Frustration: https://www.amazon.com/Faces-Frustration-Turn-into-Delight/dp/1610054350

📢 Call to Action:
💬 What’s the biggest frustration you’re facing as a leader? Drop it in the comments—we might feature your story in a future episode.
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Doland White is the host of The Next Interview—where bold leaders share the real stories behind business growth, empowered teams, and leadership breakthroughs. With over 40 years of experience as a CEO, advisor, and transformation coach, Doland brings a sharp eye for strategy and a deep belief in trust, autonomy, and accountability. His conversations cut through the noise to deliver insights that help leaders build confidence, scale results, and change lives.

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