DOGE Screws Up AGAIN As USDA Scrambles To Fill Layoffs

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Alright, so this story's just breaking, after laying people off, paying people to leave, they're posting the same position to fill that position now. It makes no sense. What is happening here?
Yeah. This is truly just one of those head scratching moments because what we saw, US Department of Agriculture was a big one, USDA, this was when DOGE went around and said, listen, you're probably going to be fired, but we'll give you an offer here. Take this leave, we'll pay you for five months through September, and then you get to basically retire or leave, but you get five months of pay and if you don't take it, there's a really good chance we're gonna fire you. So this was all these workers thinking, okay, my job is not going to exist. But now those same positions, those people who took the deal, DOGE and the government have posted openings, hey, we need people. We need these jobs that we just got rid of, filled. It's completely backwards and now there's no good people left.
There's nobody that really genuinely wants to take these positions because they know we're dealing with an administration that is almost schizophrenic. You never know what it's gonna be on any given day. The mood changes in an instant. You could be hired today and fired tomorrow. We actually saw that with the acting commissioner of the Social Security. Worked for two days before he was fired. So people are hesitant to even apply for these positions because is the rug gonna be pulled out from under me? They just fired the person that had this job. Do I even want to waste my time going through this and then being fired a month later? So it's a horrible position for the government because we need these people. These are not just, oh, it's a pencil pusher. They don't do anything. These are vital positions within the USDA.
And it's interesting because the trade off for everybody who goes into the federal government is that, I won't get paid as much, but I get good benefits and there's stability. This is upsetting the apple cart, that there's not stability and whether or not there's good benefits is a question now, because that's all in flux. But there's these stories of these people that they see their job being posted online to be filled as they're being terminated. So you're losing all that experience. Anybody who's run a business knows that an experienced worker is worth more than somebody new off the street. It takes you a while. Nobody likes being the new guy. You don't know anything. And I question the person coming into the government now knowing what all's happening. Are they the most qualified or are you desperately trying to fill a position that you created by almost laying off people, maybe laying off people, unring and firing?
This has been very schizophrenic. This is what people don't like about government, is when the bureaucracy is just whiplash back and forth. And there's packaging, oh, this is government efficiency, but this is the most inefficient thing you could possibly do. You're hiring people to replace people that you fired who were doing a very good job, who had not been terminated for cause. You were just laying off large swaths. I think this is why other administrations didn't do this. There's a reason why in the modern era, we've not seen an agency just take hatchets to whole swaths, because there was a reason, whether you agree with the reason or not, that these agencies were created, that these people were hired and they're filling some function, particularly in the USDA, like the meat inspectors, the milk. We've seen headlines about, we're just not gonna inspect milk anymore.
It's mind blowing and it's dangerous, obviously for consumers across the country. And it reminds me a lot of, in the 2008 campaign, you had a big debate, one of the three, back when we were still doing three debates, John McCain said, we got to go in there and start slashing all this government spending and Obama much more reserved, says, listen, there's obviously places that can be cut. And we go in with a scalpel, not with the hatchet. And we analyze everything and we look at specific things and say, okay, here's a redundancy.