Episode 100 retired United Navy Seal Robert "RJ" Thomas

Interview with Robert "RJ" Thomas retired Navy Seal.

Years of Service: 1963-1995

This is Episode 100, featuring Navy Seal RJ Thomas, who has been twice nominated for the Medal of Honor and is a recipient of the Navy Cross.

On March 23, 1969, United States Navy Seal Robert J “R.J.” Thomas was flying in one of two Seawolf helicopters that were on a scouting mission near Nuy Da Dung Mountain in Vietnam. As the helicopter approached the mountain, they came under heavy weapons fire and were shot down from about 300 feet with no time for the helicopter to autorotate.

RJ made his way back to the helicopter, which was now on fire. RJ was able to drag the unconscious pilot Dick Barr from his seat and drag him away from the flames. It was around this time that the second helicopter landed and was able to drop door gunner Dan Riordan to assist, and both were able to get gunner Rick Abbott free and away from the helicopter. They were unable to save anyone else as the fire engulfed the helicopter.

The enemy began moving toward the survivors to kill or capture them. As RJ observed his surroundings, he realized the only thing he had left to shoot was the pilot’s 1911A1 .45 pistol. The pilot had two fully loaded magazines as well as a chest strap with an extra 45-50 rounds.

Shielding Barr’s body with his own and using Barr’s body and helmet as a stable platform, RJ began shooting the oncoming enemy. At some point, Barr regained consciousness and began loading magazines for Thomas as they went empty.

RJ was able to hold off the enemy for nearly 40 minutes with a handgun. A rescue helicopter was finally able to land, and as RJ gave a final push to load Barr into the helo, his back gave out, and he fell to the ground. It was at this point that an enemy fighter had rushed to the front of the helicopter where there were no weapons. As the fighter raised his rifle to shoot the rescuing helicopter pilots, RJ shot and killed him with his .45.

It should be noted that as the rescue chopper came in and landed, its crew noticed many dead enemy soldiers lying on the ground. Their distances from the downed helo were from 3 to about 150 yards, all shot by RJ with his M1911 .45 ACP.

For his incredible courage under fire, the Army nominated RJ twice for the Medal of Honor but both times the nominations were denied. The Navy declined because RJ was an enlisted man and believed the first Medal of Honor should have been awarded to an officer. Thomas was instead awarded the second highest Navy medal, the Navy Cross, after acknowledging that Thomas had only killed one enemy soldier who had charged the helicopter. In addition to the Navy Cross, RJ was also awarded the Bronze Star, Combat V, Purple Heart, and Cross for Gallantry.

RJ retired in 1995 as a Commander. He won numerous firearms matches in the military and as a civilian. He qualified as a Distinguished Marksman with the handgun and rifle and for years was acknowledged as the best shooter in the Navy. Thomas is known for instituting the Naval Special Warfare Sniper program, and the people who worked for him say he was one of the best leaders they ever worked for.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
06:02 Early Life and Family
08:43 Growing Up with Guns
18:28 Joining the Navy
24:00 Becoming a Navy SEAL
35:32 SEAL Missions in Vietnam
45:29 The March 23, 1969 Incident
01:02:04 Medal of Honor Nomination
01:05:07 Politics and Military Awards
01:08:03 Navy Cross and Other Honors
01:08:41 Recovery and Rifle Competitions
01:11:43 Joining the Navy Rifle and Pistol Team
01:15:57 Distinguished Marksman Journey
01:20:48 Combat Experiences and PTSD
01:22:39 Vietnam War Protests and College Life
01:26:34 Opinions on Jane Fonda and Hollywood Activism
01:27:55 SEAL Training and Sniper Program Development
01:42:35 Leadership and Officer Experience
01:48:34 Changes in SEAL Team Culture
01:51:53 Publicity and SEAL Team 6
01:58:57 Preferred Weapons and Shooting Techniques
02:06:57 Reflections on Military Career and Legacy