ROUND 2: SMITH vs. MURRAY | Hn 120

The Dave Smith vs. Douglas Murray debate caused such a cultural shockwave that Adam and economist Bob Murphy had to take a couple more bites of the apple! New analysis, post-debate critiques of critiques, and meta-frameworks to help us understand the moment. Enjoy!

00:00 -- Intro. It's Dave vs Douglas on JRE, Round 2! (of Hn analysis, anyway)
02:25 -- An example of Douglas Murray after the fact misrepresenting his interaction with Dave Smith. Is this an honest actor?
09:20 -- Douglas Murray also wrote a New York Post article (linked below) doubling down on his tactics in the Joe Rogan debate.
18:27 -- Konstantin Kisin also wrote a terrible Substack article (linked below) about this debate.
28:37 -- Bret Weinstein hypothesizes that all this kerfuffle is designed to pave the way to war with Iran. Could it be true?
30:52 -- Kisin and Murray strawman the "anti-expert" argument. Bob has a clip from JRE to demonstrate. What does it mean to be an "expert", anyway? How does Bob himself handle debates vs. "non-experts"? Why is Douglas Murray doing it all wrong?
40:01 -- D vs D on JRE referenced a debate (linked below) between Pat Buchanan et al and Andrew Roberts et al. Adam and Bob found some interesting tidbits about who won and what was discussed. Also, "Oxford-style" voting methods can be confusing!
55:26 -- How is "the public" to find truth? Centralized gatekeeping didn't work. Decentralized podcasts aren't perfect either. What is the solution?
57:22 -- How should we think about the "intentionality" of killing innocents in war? What are the legal distinctions? What are the moral distinctions? Also, as always, the "2 movies on 1 screen" phenomenon is on display.
1:10:30 -- Outro. Thanks for watching Haman Nature!

New York Post article by Douglas Murray mentioned: "So-called Israel-Hamas, Ukraine war 'experts' spew false info on Joe Rogan podcast. There has to be a standard." https://nypost.com/2025/04/17/opinion/douglas-murray-so-called-israel-hamas-ukraine-war-experts-spew-false-info-on-joe-rogans-podcast-there-has-to-be-a-standard/

Konstantin Kisin Substack article mentioned: Murray vs. Smith: Dispatches from Podcastistan. https://www.konstantinkisin.com/p/murray-vs-smith-dispatches-from-podcastistan

Debate on Churchill featuring Pat Buchanan and Andrew Roberts mentioned: https://www.c-span.org/program/international-telecasts/legacy-of-winston-churchill/211932

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