Dreamland w/ Art Bell: Black Triangles, Prophecies & Future Predictions - Moura Tims (12/03/1995)

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and our linda howe and let's see i'm always trying to figure out how i should introduce you investigative
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reporter yes you are right yes television producer television producer emmy
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award-winning at that and um i would say the nation's i wonder if i could say the nation's
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leading investigator into crop circles and animal mutilations well maybe one of them the
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problem is that these phenomena are so wide-ranging and complex that i don't think
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any one of us has got a handle on anything we're all struggling to try to understand what is
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happening so i have colleagues out there that join me in my efforts but
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i certainly would say that the pursuit of truth in this complex field
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has begun to dominate my uh professional life uh that would be a good understatement
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dominate your professional life yes uh and certainly you'd be leading the
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pack i i think of you that way linda you spend so much time on it i know of nobody else that does the kind
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of work uh you do i mean there are obviously i don't want to leave anybody out there are other people doing the work
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but it seems to me you're at the head of the pack well thanks i'm trying and i really feel that
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uh dreamland is an important connection to the world because uh hearing from
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people about their eyewitnesses account which we can report and then encourage other people to
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report back i think art is uh forming a kind of strong network
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here and i'm really grateful that i can uh make these reports each sunday
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on dreamland and one of the updates that i wanted to bring to our listeners
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was that last sunday i interviewed author jim mars about his latest investigations beyond the jfk
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assassination into remote viewing research by the united states government two days later
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yes nightline associated press they are all over the place there were stories
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and of the associated press story i thought was especially uh apropos it began for 20
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years the united states has secretly used psychics in attempts to hunt down
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libyan leader moammar qaddafi to find plutonium in north korea and to
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help drug enforcement agencies unquote this statement was confirmed by
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the central intelligence agency which said the remote viewing research was codenamed
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stargate which is an interesting code name to begin with it sure is that as recently as july
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1995 this summer at least three remote viewers continued to work
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out of fort meade maryland which is usually associated with the location of the national security agency
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and the defense intelligence agency according to university professors ray hyman a psychologist at the
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university of oregon and jessica youth a statistician at the university of california in davis
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the remote viewing study reported mixed success with an accuracy rate of about 15
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both researchers agreed that the remote viewers were not reliable enough to be used alone
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but might be helpful in combination with other intelligence gathering operations
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professor jessica youth said the statistical results were promising enough that research
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should continue she said quote i would like to see funding in the open science world i
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think that we are at the point that something needs to be explained and i think this is one of the things
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we've all been hoping is is that the broader general academic world would begin to focus
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attention on areas that some of us know uh have some kind of a reality here but up
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until these recent times the general university population has tended to
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ignore what we would call some of the [Music]
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i know linda um do you think it's getting any easier out there i'll tell you this as a talk show host
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dealing with this kind of stuff all the time and i do on the show on my regular show i take a lot of hits there are a
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lot of um less than open-minded people out there uh
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who like to come after me because i investigate this sort of thing now uh obviously when it begins to break
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into the nightline uh when we begin to get uh prophecy fulfillment when we begin to get
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uh films like the one uh of the uh sakura question mark uh
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i heard a report from somebody who called up again taking a shot at me the other night on some other show and said uh oh you know that was a what's
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called a blood knife there was a knife that produces blood he said and so art bell's full of baloney
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[Music] that's not what medical people say washington i know so i you know i all of us who are trying
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to deal in this uh we'll call it the areas that are not accepted in the general social
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paradigm uh we all are like fish swimming upstream to a certain extent
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but consider that around the world eyewitness reports uh have been going on
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for decades maybe even centuries and right now yeah the very past two weeks
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there are more triangles in the skies acting extremely oddly defying what we would consider to
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be terrestrial physics peter davenport at the national ufo reporting center in seattle
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he called me and he told me that since november 17th he has received several reports from greensboro
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north carolina all the way to allentown pennsylvania about huge silent lighted triangles
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one of the eyewitnesses kathy schreck from windgap pennsylvania about an hour from where i am right now
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told me that she pulled her car over to the side of the road around 10 15 p.m friday november 17th
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because she wanted to get a better look at a strange light in the sky that was only about 50 feet
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above her car she could see what looked like solid gray black metal in the shape of a
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huge triangle hovering completely silently without any motion at all
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she estimated that there were 25 or 30 round white lights she said like car headlights on the
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bottom she watched for five to ten minutes not wanting to take her eyes off
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the triangle and then it suddenly took off and became a pinpoint of light in the distance
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she was so unnerved by the experience that she called the local airport and was referred to the seattle ufo
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reporting center peter davenport there is trying to gather as many reports as possible
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check them with airports and experts and correlate citing data and for those listening i'll
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just give the 24 hour hotline number in seattle because it is a good place to network
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in terms of reports for correlation and that is area code two zero six
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seven two two three thousand the 24 hour hotline number in
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seattle is area code 206 722
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3000. now strange lights have also been reported in puerto rico along
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with a continuing rash of strange animal deaths that have local authorities now very concerned less than one week ago
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on tuesday november 28th a cow was found dying on the farm of a puerto rico
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district senator near agua buenos about 45 minutes southwest of san juan
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the mayor of agua brainerd's called elbow sarah newspaper photographer eddie diese conde
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to go and take photographs eddie has been photographing these unusual animal deaths for the past two months
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throughout the island and he talked to me today about the aqua bueno and other cases and described the
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unknown creature called chupacabras or the goat sucker that residents in puerto rico have been
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reporting and even school children have been drawing and here is eddie diese and the mayor
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uh called me says very i need to see you because uh they i have a cow that's still alive
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and has two holes where this this creature has bitten and sucked out
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half of the blood of this big blue towel we're talking about a cow that
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was is pregnant she had a calf and she would you know it was still alive when i got there around 11 30 at
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the at midnight you know when i got there she was still alive
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and the cow had two holes for uh at least an inch and an inch and
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a half two inches of separation and they looked like they were punch uh ice pick punch
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and it was completely clean this was on the side of the cow's neck
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that is correct there were any other parts of the tissue the ears the eyes jaw it would never touch no way
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nothing there was no other way the only thing that we had on the cow that she was in pain she was actually
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uh crying out that in pain and we i looked i opened up her eyes her
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eyes were completely almost vanished they were completely back
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what did the senator who owned this town what did he say he didn't really actually wanted to us
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to you know investigate more with details but what happened is that the mayor of that of that town of aguas
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buenas he actually wanted to make a big investigation he wanted the senate to start putting
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pressure that the government should start investigating more details of all these kinds of
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animals that have been attacked if i understand correctly it is affected cats goats sheep cattle horses
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chickens is the um this mark these two puncture holes in
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the side of the neck have that been reported in every case everything that has been reported to the
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police has been exactly the same way everybody's been attacked the same way i mean
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and that they've been attacked by sort of an animal that nobody knows that's the only thing that we have up to
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now is that some people are reporting this uh strange creature with the spines
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running from the head down the back and with these large uh red eyes and okay you know looking at
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a a bullfrog the way the the the back of a bullfrog with these with
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the stuff like that right this is the kind of creature we're talking about that people have seen
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they describe this kind of material that this animal is sort of uh made out of reminds them
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of a frog it could be a a a giant frog
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flying giant fries with the with sort of uh mixed with with the maybe uh monkey or
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something it's it's gonna be something that was created it could be an inventory or something it's something that very strange and
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this everybody describes the same kind of lumpy type big claws
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big eyes we had uh just three weeks ago two weeks ago we had a whole hen house that lost 79
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chickens and one and one shot deal one night they lost the whole 79
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uh chickens did the chickens have the same holes they did have it they did have them in
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between their wings they had the uh they had them in between their wings the thing is that we can't
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understand that it's it could be it's very strange that this animal attacks uh different kinds of animals
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by month by bunch and they collapsed 80 or maybe oh they
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collapsed 79 uh chickens all at one time they attacked it they they they stuck their blood out and they
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killed them and nobody knows how that you know because to catch one chicken it's very
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hard to kill one and it's very hard you know to kill five or six at the same time it's very hard
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but you know 79 chickens at one time it's very difficult and this is why
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we are still investigating where uh all these kinds of uh different
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uh people different part of the island are calling us and letting us know that they last night they killed
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their cow they killed their horse that killed the four rabbits the other night last night
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they had a uh out in carolina somebody killed two rabbits they the other night they killed uh they
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killed the four chickens and they all have these puncture holes yes they did and they were all domestic
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uh uh animals in and they were in in their uh cages they were not out in the street or
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nothing like that some are the malware street but they had uh there were cycle fence maybe around
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it it was very strange how could somebody just jump over the fence without touching the fence
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just jump over kill all these animals and different parts of the island
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and art eddie d says that the number of animals killed in the last two months is estimated now to be
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several hundred and it's reminding me and others there in the media world of
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the famous vampire of mocha which terrorized puerto rico in the 1970s
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linda we are woefully short on time here but i was going to say the same word vampire uh two marks and blood gone
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sounds vampirish to me well what's interesting is just very briefly these aren't the classic mutilations
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that i usually would report about but this is happening in puerto rico at the same time that classic animal
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mutilations are being reported right around us in southern oklahoma missouri southern colorado susanville california
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northern ireland saskatchewan canada there seems to be a rash of them right now right all right we've
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got a scoot so give us your info quick okay thanks um i would like uh
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call back also if they do have uh something to report linda i've got a scoot thanks a million
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and thank you all right take care uh that of course is linda howe and in a moment moira tim's copies of
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seismological and environmental documentation beyond prophecies and predictions issues an urgent call to
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action that we cannot afford to ignore
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so a very important and uh timely interview uh coming up where tim's ms is the
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author of the best-selling beyond prophecies and predictions random house book by the way
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researcher and an archaic futurist that's interesting specializing in the
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beginnings and endings of historical cycles the work blends egyptian
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a gift to empower your highest purpose and hear from eugene oregon she is hi
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maura hello uh how are you well i'm fine i was sorry to hear that news about the
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earthquake that's really very startling well the 8.0 was startling
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if the report of the 8.2 should be true that's really startling was this both
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were both of these events on cnn um uh well the facts
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yes yes to answer your first question the first event i personally saw on cnn the 8.0
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earthquake the second facts arrived literally five minutes ago
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and i have no way of confirming it yes because sometimes uh different there's different
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earthquake uh centers all over the world that do monitor these things on the richter scale
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and so many times the same event will get reported uh from various sources but with a slightly different um
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richter number it is true and we can hope that might be true in this case moira uh because what would it generally mean
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i know you're not a seismologist but to have an 8.0 earthquake which is very unusual to begin with
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followed within hours literally by an 8.2 if that were true what would that say
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it would say things are getting very intense around the ring of fire
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the information that i received from the national earthquake information service in golden colorado
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is that what is normal in any given year art is that on an average there's one great quake
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and that means 8.0 plus you know right there would be 18 major quakes which would be between
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7 and 7.9 so you see there's a very fine line between having a bunch of major
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ones at 7.9 and a great one at eight it's only one point difference anyway
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you can have 120 strong ones 6.5 plus and then about a total on the average of
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earthquakes altogether and so um the ring of fire is the most
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seismically active area in the whole world and certainly around japan when you look at
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the um the deep ocean trenches on some of the navy maps i'm looking at one right now
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yes you see that there's just a labyrinth underneath the ocean depths of trenches and core spreading
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tectonic plate ruptures all this kind of thing and it's like a freeway map so i'm
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looking at this particular trench here it's the karil trench it's a very straight area that
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goes across the northwest from um just above japan where hokkaido is the northern part of the island
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yes of course through the kamchatka peninsula and then it goes across to alaska so this is just slightly northwest of
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the major area where education said would be the most turmoil and to watch that area for
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changes so we're all part of the scheme of things and we can't say we're surprised really although
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you know the idea of loss of life is always upsetting well it is fortunately of course this is an area where there is not a lot of life
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to begin with the the problem is that um it may be as one of my faxers suggested the beginning of
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uh gordon michael scallions predicted four quake scenario in the eight point range now
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i understand uh before the announcement of the quake today and earlier today you spoke with gordon michael scallion
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i spoke to him two days ago two days ago yes he didn't mention anything about earthquakes oh he did not
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no uh is there anything he did mention that would be relevant that you'd like
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to pass along well i was going to mention it later in the show when it kind of came up organically okay because he's talking about
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something quite different as far as the major focus for next year so um i'll just leave that for
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later on all right not quite related to this all right um anyway your work has been pretty wide-ranging hasn't it
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in other words you looked at almost all prophecy you've been able to look at and have you found a commonality
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between the prophets between uh what science you've looked at the hopi uh the mayan prophecy the
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babylonian all of them um is there any commonality
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oh yes yes um really the the thing that is most amazing and i
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guess it's not really news right now but it's it was news when it was discovered was that it didn't matter
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what prophecy had been issued when and where and to whom basically the major processes were
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saying the same things they were just different historical times different cultural context you know
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and so the properties that i examined are not necessarily the predictions that
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somebody's aunt in boise idaho would make you know that kind of thing yes but more like the authentic
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traditional prophecies from important world cultures that have had these you know guidelines
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since a year dot and so um when i hear an individual making a prediction i don't pay as much attention
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as something that is consistent with what the the ancient people said so in talking of the similarities um
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i think it would be concise to say that all of them said there would come a time
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and there'd be an event that would kick off a whole prophecy cycle and
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after that there would be a number of things that would happen the kind of things we're seeing happen
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in the world right now and then there would be a culmination of this cycle and after that there would be a big
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event and they didn't spell out exactly what that was but they were you know allusions to what it might be
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in new world age the end of the world you know this kind of thing yes so when you look at the historical
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record um for instance i could share with you that um the whole people
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they had said there would come a time in the future when a gourd of ashes would be dropped from the sky
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and it would burn everything and it would kill the fish in the ocean and nothing would live or grow in the area where it fell
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so when they saw the atomic bomb being dropped at the beginning of the
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you know the end of the war they thought oh oh and this been very
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significant to them well um in the bible
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two thousand years ago jesus was on the mount of olives with his disciples and they were saying
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gosh you know and he was talking about the things that were to come um but it never sounded like cheerful
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stuff you see so they said well what would be some of the signs of your return and all these things coming to pass and
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so what jesus is recorded saying in the gospels is um when the powers of heaven are shaken
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et cetera et cetera that will be the sign of these things about to occur so if you look
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i mean the deeper you can look into these things and examine what seems to be obvious the deeper you can penetrate
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the real mystery on it you know so when you look at the translation from the greek
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the powers of heaven heaven is uranus in greek but that's the same root word as uranium
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as uranus the planet you could equally well translate it as
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when the powers of uranium are shaken you see which would which would uh point
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towards some sort of nuclear uh so that could be the atomic bomb you know yeah an old proto you know that
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kind of thing and in fact even when the atomic bomb was dropped the code name was baby jesus um or little boy there's
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variations as to what it was actually called this little boy and
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so anyway uh the other thing that i'm thinking of that is similar is in the great pyramid now there's a
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little bit of misunderstanding about the great pyramid you do not see prophecies inscribed in there but there's a chronological
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timeline that's been gone over with a fine tooth comb by all kinds of researchers and people and
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so it's beyond the doubt that there is this timeline and so when you get up into the uppermost chamber
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it's been progressing like a month an inch for a month and then it changes at a certain point
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anyway the midpoint of the king's chamber translates out to the date of 1945
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when the first atomic testing was done and so after that you know when you come
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up against the wall it's 1953 and so there is a sense that
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by 1953 the the planetary karma had been set by that time
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um a lot of the mayan calendric things despite 1983 as a key year in the world when you say set
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uh do you mean that whatever in other words whatever we're going to go on to
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we are going to go on to there is no turning back the direction at that point is clear is that what you
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obviously there is existential value in struggle as uh you know jean-paul said you do what you
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have to do regardless well of course the back of the back of your book maura seems to suggest that mankind can
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still avert with the the proper kind of karmic transmission uh what is to come and you are now
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suggesting that may not be the case no i could expand on that a little more i would just say that there are certain
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things that are cyclical and they're in the scheme of things and the intensity really depends on how well we deal with
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the crisis so i think that when i speak about 1953 is like a certain
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karma being set i think there's no chance to avert the whole thing at that point but um
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actions and expectations certainly influence outcomes so anything we do between that anything we have done since
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that point and what we continue to do between now and say the year 2000 or 2012
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when this cycle is predicted to end that will lessen or aggravate you know
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the final outcome i see all right hold on a moment moira we'll be right back to you i don't know to me i i the the line i've
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used again and again as mankind's little red light has come on the one that says point of no return
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in a moment more of moira tim's how many now back to moira tim's mara um we have a very bad phone connection
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uh for some reason uh your your audio is very uh muffled and a little difficult to understand i don't know why that is
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oh there and i'm really talking loud so that i feel like i'm sort of not being yeah we'll sort of bear with
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it for now hopefully yeah hopefully uh it'll be okay at any rate uh maura uh to continue
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you i i have said this i've looked at mankind uh sociologically because i do
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the news you know i see the news every day i've got to study the news for what i do and i have seen
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a steady a not just a decline maura but an acceleration of decline in social
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behavior uh in our economic world um in our political world uh we're about to
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send a 30 35 000 u.s troops over to
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what i consider to be hell and um it's just it's it's what i i have
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as a general observer i've called it the quickening events appeared to be accelerating
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yes do you agree with that oh absolutely not absolutely
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um you know what logic follows emotion and like when you're feeling down or you happen
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to read the newspaper or the commercial journals there's any amount of evidence why we're all going to hell
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you see why it's all so terrible and this is true this is real stuff there's no questioning about that on the
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other hand when you're feeling wonderful and you might not read these sources or you just appreciate the wonderfulness of the day
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or you hear other things that are quite uplifting and inspiring on an entirely different level then you
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say well there is hope there is light at the end of the tunnel and so what i'm feeling from all of this is
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either viewpoint can be justified it is a fact however that because we rely on the news
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and the newspapers and commercial print media for our information that news is by
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definition negative catastrophic stuff so you're never going to find how
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things are improving by reading those sources you will simply reinforce your fears and your despair that's true and you don't want to have
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your head in the ground but you you need to be realistic so you do have to check and see what's happening in the
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world but i think what i'm suggesting is that really it's wonderful and terrible all
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at the same time and a lot of it is where we put our attention i mean here in the united states
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everybody has their problems but we don't have the problems that they have in bosnia
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or many other parts of the in other third world countries so everything is sort of relative and um
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i think personal action is required so that you know the good of one becomes
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good of all well personal action personal action on what level excuse me personal action maura on what level in
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other words well every level that draws your interest in your passion i would think
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um in the back of my book for instance um i have a section i mean i'm calling it
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the 12-step program to personal and planetary health and i'm listing areas where
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people can plug in and make a difference i think that individuals tend to feel
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disempowered you see they say well what can i do i'm just an individual these huge forces are in motion
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the government's you know not serving us the way it should all of this and all this conspiracy
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stuff back now to moira jim's laura hello hi yes um i was just
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finishing up telling you something about uh personal action and i just wanted to make the point about that
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please because some years ago there was a study done of school children and many of them
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felt depressed uh because they didn't feel that they would really necessarily go up to the adult
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or see much adulthood and this is because of the nuclear shadow yes and so much of the success of peace
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work that has been done that reduces people's fear levels is to get them involved in participating in
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the solution you see when you are active for something that is part of the you know
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problem solving then that takes the edge off the fear and off the sense of being a sitting duck i
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remember when i was young uh moira uh i'm 50 now so i grew up through the cold war
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my little sister uh used to cry at night she was convinced there was
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going to be a nuclear holocaust and that she would never grow up so she was one of them yes and um
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so i think a lot of children feel that way it's a very insecure place and very confusing for children these
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days there's so much stimulation you see so this is all part of what it is at
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this time in history and so i do think we have to form groups of good close loving friends so that we have a
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buffer for when those feelings come up for us because they're a natural part of living but they're just exaggerated right now with the state of
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the world so um in my book i do end the whole thing with these 12 steps so it's a place for
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people to start so they can do what they feel they can
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and know that it's not going to change the world taking one action or one step but when you have everybody thinking
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that way then you know you create a whole ground spell that does become a very potent
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force in the world for change and for good and the transformation so you get what i'm saying i get what
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you're saying but um your conclusions seem to be contrary to that sort of
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little bit of light at the end of the tunnel in other words your conclusions uh as you've studied the various
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prophecy seems to all point the same direction i don't i hate to use the word irreversibly
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but irreversibly well um there is something coming online
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we are moving very fast towards something extraordinary in the historical sense
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i agree and all the people who speculate on it um kind of get to the point where they
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can't really verbalize what it is but you get the sense of the excitement and that's right just to
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kind of and it's not for any one person to say what because this is a great mystery you see but what i think it has to do with is um
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it's an evolutionary change that we're coming to very rapidly it's in the natural scheme of things
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whether it's totally negative or just like scary positive it's you know we don't know how that's going to
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turn out at this point but it's the way i can't hold it in my mind out it's like you know you're up above the snow line
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for instance and you're coming down with the ice flows at spring floor and you've got your little
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canoe and the water is moving very fast and if you are not impeccable if you don't just do it just right you will be
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capsized you will be crushed by the big ice clothes so you navigate your way down there as fast as you can but you
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just keep your mind on it and you just do it because there is no choice you know what i mean and it's that kind of a challenge that
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we're facing so it requires a lot of courage it requires commitment to the growing
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sense of what is positive and i don't think that the blueprint out there i don't think there's any manual on this stuff
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but i think there's a deep part of us you know as individuals and collectively that we go
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by the feeling of what it is yeah i just put it in a similar way i put it this way
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animals have instincts or animals i think we have instincts i can feel it i can feel something like
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the other shoe is about to drop i've been feeling it for some time now so a lot of other people it's
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just a simple i believe instinctual feeling that's what you're describing yes and
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that is that is the guidance that really is and so um one way to
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kind of make that more coherent i think is to look at this we're just getting
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now that myth is not um stable in story and fantasy the way we thought of it
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but it's kind of like metaphor it's an encodement of ancient wisdom that has come down in story form
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but it's true for all people in every culture throughout every age and when you strip away all the fancy
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parts of all of the world and global metal it gets to be very very simple
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it really boils down to the fact that there's a beginning of things and an end of things it's not a linear
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movement to a time it is cyclical patterns of meaning tend to repeat themselves over time and so
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when we look at that we can see uh from the myth that has been rushed us
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clues um that could form a blueprint so that we can navigate the future because
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is predicated on the fact that what has happened in the past in a slightly different way will happen
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again well maura there are people who believe that our planet has been here for billions of years and there are people
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who believe that civilizations mankind himself has come and gone many times do you
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believe that of course yes of course yes you say um why do you say that what evidence is
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there to back up the myth that civilizations have come and gone
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well are you talking hard evidence or soft evidence well i'm talking the best you've got
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well i'm here to plug my book but in all fairness um
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for instance take graham hancock's book fingerprints of the gods yes he's a prize-winning journalist he's
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written a 600-page book he took five years to travel to the sacred sites of the entire world
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he doesn't you know uh wag his finger in your face he says look at this and look at that what do you think and
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he talks about things that are these megalithic monuments five hundred
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ton blocks that have been transported hundreds of miles by so-called primitive people at the
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dawn of history with a technology that would be required that we don't even have today
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that's true so things like that are very compelling and um i'll tell you now what gordon
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michael told me he said watch egypt in 96. he said the stuff that will be discovered in 96
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um i think i'm quoting here he said we'll leave people uh gasping gossiping gusting no gasping i'm not
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i'm hurting your english accent is me every now and then gasping gordon michael skid said the things
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that will be discovered in egypt in 1996 will leave people gasping yes well i know there has been a
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new chamber uh recently confirmed as discovered
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and uh gordon michaels indicating there's going to be a lot more in the year to come yes um there have been myths that have
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come down to us through the greek historians you know herodotus and edgar cayce um some of the
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arabic sources that have been preserved and they always spoke about a context of tunnels and chambers
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beneath the giza platter beneath the sphinx and the pyramids that would be although that are a
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repository of knowledge from previous civilizations and we're thinking probably
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atlantis okay um knowledge of their like technology their art their sciences
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things like that i wonder if they you know i'm one who believes that this
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may be discovered also and if it were to be discovered
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do you think the discovery would be made public well i can tell you that next
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march um the department of equities are having uh an unveiling of the two
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secret tunnels beneath the things that have been discovered it's going to be an international media event
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i'm taking groups that will be there in march and our group is one of the few that will be allowed inside the sphinx
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enclosure so that is probably just to be very exciting um there is a sense i mean nobody has
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said this to understand but there's a sense that there's more to this than meets the eye that might be the tip of the iceberg of just the end
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of the tunnel um the greek historic no the greek geographer iambicus
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yeah we had his text in college and we go by every word he said you know but when he said that he was taken by the egyptian
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priesthood into a chamber beneath the pores of the sphinx that came up in the um
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i was going to say the basement came up in the period of the great pyramid and then he saw certain things inscribed
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on the walls everybody goes no and they don't believe it you see so if this is true um we'll find out
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because i know you had a guest on your show uh john anthony west
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he had some people exploring on the uh student on the surface and they
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discovered a sonar sounding of a square chamber between the paws
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that's correct to my knowledge this has not been excavated it could be part of what i am because
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was talking about so um i think if there was an event
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like atlantis where there was a universal deluge or at least an atlantic or a pacific
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deluge um there would have been an exodus of people you know the intelligence here the you
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know the really the leading people who would want to preserve their technology they'd want to have a record of their civilization
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you're giving me a wonderful answer but it's not answering my question my question is if it is discovered there
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have been previous civilizations not not necessarily one but many do you think the information
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would be made public oh that is my question i think it would but part of the
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prophecy is that there will be cover-ups um something i quote in my
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book by the academy of future science um moira i think you're wrong why would
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they how could they possibly make it public
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history will burst it forth um look at the dead sea scrolls the people that studied the dead sea
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scrolls were hand picked by the office of the inquisition of the vatican what they found was
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heresy the historical record was contrary to many of the fundamental teachings of the church
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so for 40 years these people start on the data the world was waiting scholars came and
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went and were born and died that should have had access to those texts and they never did because they sat on the heretical
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material you're making my point you're making my point yes so it was eventually revealed and now
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the deadly scrolls are in paperback so that you and i can leave them oh that's true you know but but when i said that i
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meant in our lifetimes in our children's lifetimes in other words if you go by the
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prophecy's art education said they would be discovered now it is a fact that people in the department of
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antiquities um have been sympathetic to gordon michael scallion's approach to things
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and um the man who i have a personal friend who is friends
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with the director of the antiquities and although i know there's a lot of professional jealousy that goes on in high circles
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where this kind of professionalism is involved they want themselves to be the ones to release this stuff or to be the
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discoverers they don't want lay people with a lot of hutzpah cracking the code
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for them they don't want those people to get the credit for what they later do so i think that there's enough
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people expecting uh and feeling deeply that there is something there that it would be very hard at this time
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especially given the revelation of these tunnels to sit on the rest all right um might be an
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attempt but i think it might be i think it would be unsuccessful absolutely all right maura hold on just some currency is going to change
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let's preserve the secrets to keep the system going yes of course these new leaps of consciousness that are taking
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this into hear me clearly now you know transpersonal
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realm i don't know don't have any trouble talking about virtual reality
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and the global brain being the internet we seem to have a little trouble talking about um another or a deeper
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sense of reality or trans personal reality and you know slow down slow down slow down moira what
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does trans personal reality mean well it just means real uh so real that
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it seems like fiction you know truth can be stranger than fiction you mean like today's headlines
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no i mean like the things we're talking about like the fulfillment of prophecy like
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new inventions like super intelligence like suddenly being able to do it right
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instead of the way we do things it means moving moving into a level
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of uh maybe more more of the group sense of things so that
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we don't just protect our own interests we realize that we're all more similar than we are different and we
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we do things for all of us that a world that works for everyone that's what i'm talking about
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we have that capability we have the resources but the way the system is set up does not allow for that right now well
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yes but uh according to all prophecy time is short so
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um i believe the year that most point two uh is 2012 depending on the calendar yeah that is
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true but we have the source of history behind us in the sense that uh many many
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influences are coming to bear upon the human condition right now these are things that we can only
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really turn our way into we look at the prophecies and we take the experience of some of us
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i mean there's extraordinary things happening on the planet that you report on all the time you know so this wasn't so 50 years ago
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so we're getting into some deep water and some interesting domains of consciousness you know
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so to keep one center and to keep making sense of it all
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seems to be one of the major challenges and so what i suggest is to have the guideline of you know the
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prophetic consensus to look at the past and see the patterns of meaning that can be
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and are repeating themselves is to give us a sense of where we're going that way we can sort
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of navigate with some sense of direction and by the way everybody you can stop sending me usgs reports i've got about a
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a million of them confirming there have been in the last two days a total of 15 quakes in the curio
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islands and uh that's i said 15 culminating uh in an 8.0 earthquake
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but with uh earthquakes quake in the chain but it is a 7.2
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not 8.2 so there you have it a total of 16 earthquakes uh 7.2 would
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be the largest quake since the 8.0 quake
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also i would like to read to you a fax that i got from stan dale and i know a lot of you
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follow uh stan very closely artichoke his little pet name for me
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i am hesitant to announce the following i feel i must though in the light of the unofficial reports of magnetic field anomalies in
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california two days ago the official report which i sent you says no no anomalies occurred yet i continue to
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get pilots reports etc saying it did occur for four days i've been watching three
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tremendous thermal changes grow in size off the coast of nicaragua the guatemala mexican
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border in baja california up to san francisco i have not posted these on
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my web page as i'm not sure yet what to say florida the bahamas chile argentina
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north australia southern coast australia adelaide north island new zealand romania bulgaria
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turkey japan and kamchatka peninsula should all be on alert for action as well
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still trying to assess the changes here storms may be confusing the mantle's thermal
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effects along the east coast of the us so there you are he said i'm not sure of
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this call but i think we've got a problem brewing regards stan dale
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in a moment back tomorrow tim's be back now tomorrow tim's are you there yes good
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do you feel up to taking some phone calls oh you bet you bet um i just wanted to say that
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uh why are you making such a big deal out of the earthquakes why are you giving all this money detail about it i mean
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what do you want to accomplish with that um oh i don't uh i'm i'm not in the
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position of accomplishing anything um simply presenting the news well you see
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they're going all over the place all the time and if it's not an earthquake it's something else and so this is griff for the mill and
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watch every car that goes by you missed the big picture you know what i'm saying uh you were
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telling me earlier before the show i think how many 8.0 earthquakes we have on average per year that's right
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how many is that just one on average just one yeah okay however um what i really want
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to emphasize is you see this is the state of the news as it has become people go oh wow when they hear this it
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just agitates them but there's nothing they can do about it no that's true in fact if california
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if california falls in the ocean there's nothing people can do about it well you see the big picture is that
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that is part of the overall scenario because what we're coming into with the end of the property cycle is like
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big time earth changes all over the place you see so um i just feel that by focusing unduly
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on every single anomalous thing um it just puts people deep into despair
51:27
you know so it's not that they wouldn't want to know about it but that is the hard news it gets in your face and it gets your attention
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so i'm presenting soft news here which is to say chaos will increase disorder and crime
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in the streets will increase it's the nature of the times and this is the nature of the challenge we're coming down the birth canal as it
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were at the end of this cycle at the end of the cycle there's always the beginning of another one so
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it never was comfortable coming down the birth canal it was just like total chaos total fright but it was the beginning of
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something wonderful and new and so this is sort of what's going on right now so the point i want to make before you
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open it to call us out is that at such a time when
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intellectual considerations and technology is not going to help us
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out of these situations what occurs according to people like carl jung the psychologist or teja de
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chardon the christian philosopher something happens to the group mind
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archetypes of wholeness emerge from the collective unconsciousness
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and you don't have to understand what they mean or even no one when you see one for it to affect the way you think and
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feel but there's but what these images are that come out of their mind are sort of
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unconscious and primarily i would just point to what happened when we got into space in 1969
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there we were out there we were looking back at mother the planet earth our home in the middle of space
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and suddenly you know you've heard this said before there were no boundaries there was no latitude and longitudes and geographic boundaries
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it was just our planet where we all live and so that the sphere is the archetypal symbol of
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the complete whole self you know that is a symbol of the center and the center is
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the organizing principle the created generator of everything that's to do with life
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and happiness and perfection so when we have such images in the world
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tree is another one you know the world tree has its roots on the ground and the branches in the heavens it links
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heaven and earth and what you see with what you don't see that kind of thing these affect the way
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we think we're creeping into people's dreams right now they're showing up in art there are people all over the planet that are not
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reported in the news doing ceremony to bring these symbols forth and just
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egg exon into the collective consciousness so they can act as mobilizing forces for the way we think and the way
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we do things so i just wanted to say um this is what's happening right now as things get
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more and more intense and as the quickening gets quicker so there's no place to stand and that's the nature of chaos and
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people really don't have a sense of where they're going you know you look at all the urban sprawl you look at the cancer center
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cellar the cancer spell it's all the same thing you see it's gross without restriction there's no
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pattern of meaning and so this is our problem but there's a way through it
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i'm just saying that the way through all right moira i think you're selling some people short
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i think you're underestimating uh their ability to assimilate information
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uh without the panicking or quickening the quickening but simply
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observing it i am able to observe it for example without tearing my hair out
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i simply watch the news uh whether it's social economic political i watch all of these arenas every single
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day it's my job and uh i nevertheless managed to stay uh centered um so uh in a way it kind of
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sells people short a little bit to suggest because they hear factual news about an eight-point
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earthquake they're going to go off the deep end i don't think so well i really i'm not implying that so much as just saying
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that this is what takes up space as the news the real good news is probably less
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tangible so it doesn't get reported and so that's true so that's really more my focus i see yeah all right i
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didn't mean to smack your finger oh you didn't no you didn't i i simply uh wanted you to understand that
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many people out there are able to assimilate this information uh as it comes in and note what it means
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without adding to it because of the state of panic do you follow me yeah okay good on the first time caller
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line you're on the air with moira tins hi hello hello are you there
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guess not east of the rockies you're on the air with maura timms hi
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well what am i doing wrong here is there anybody there no i guess moira
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i may be doing something wrong here let me try one more here west of the rockies you're on the air with maura timms hello
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hello art oh good i've got it yes sir greetings from a fellow ham radio operator uh indeed yes uh my comment
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yes sir uh no no offense to your guest but i've never heard so much double speak in my whole life
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i'm a christian and i can tell you that the bible is true because it's
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it is a supernatural book to the believer well i don't i didn't hear her say it wasn't true
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no but what all right let's hold it i can't hold it a minute hold it
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a minute sure slow down take a breath what is it specifically that she said that you that you take
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issue with well i think what she's saying is it's a mixture of what jesus has said
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in the bible in the new testament but it's it's wrapped you know it's kind of like
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the movie said it's wrapped in an enigma i mean it what she's saying is nothing that anyone can get their hands on
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jesus foretold in the bible that we would have earthquakes we would have
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beginning of birth pangs but that there would be hope at the end of all that i think she said
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that well at least that's no offense i didn't i didn't pick up on it and i'm
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i'm sure she's a wonderful person i just can't uh you know that to me it's a lot of double
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speak and as a christian i don't um i don't really think that's something someone can get a handle on you can read
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what she's talking about in the new testament may i just address the caller yes
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um i felt a little bit of pressure because of the commercials and we've had trouble with my phone so i'm having to
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speak extra loud you know and um
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things get said that needs to be gone into in more depth so the full picture doesn't really come out
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but in my book i do devote an entire chapter to the bible i talk about the prophets i quote the
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prophets i quote jesus and i put it in a very positive light so i think if you would um browse through a
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copy in a bookstore you would see that um i do set the record straight for jesus okay
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well do you feel that jesus was a prophet or was he the son of god incarnate fair question
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um definitely the son of god no question then if he was the son of god god is
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perfect and god cannot be an error so therefore whatever god says
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is true and perfect well did i say it wasn't no but i i i'm wondering why
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you're trying to maybe mix it up you know it's like a little bit of this and a little bit of that well just because some people want to
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hear all science that's what's real to them some people are only christian and they only want to hear christian information
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so what i've done is put the whole enchilada together so that we can emphasize our
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similarities because what is said in the bible is said by other world traditions and i think christians
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would benefit to know that although it isn't um that there's no difference
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there's no separation it's only in the perception now that that comment i don't understand
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i may ask questions i do not understand what you just said
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my perception is that christians only want jesus to say what is so if somebody else
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says the same thing as jesus they take argument with it and i am saying there's one truth and jesus spoke
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it but other people spoke it too in its essential elements and so um
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i don't believe that we have to be exclusive you're saying that other people can be
1:00:07
profits yes okay then would you agree that the test of a true prophet is 100
1:00:14
accuracy no then you would then you would contradict
1:00:19
what the bible says because the jewish nation was instructed to stone to death anyone that made a
1:00:27
prophecy that did not come to true well i take issue with a wrathful god
1:00:32
who uh does some of the things the bible reports and what i'm saying is that to be honest
1:00:39
now to be honest moira you then take issue with many christians don't you i do yes okay uh uh jesus
1:00:46
with christian interpretation and we could never stop this conversation it would go on forever yes it would that's
1:00:52
true all right moira and uh the caller thank you very much caller mara hold on we'll be right back
1:00:57
to you that was clarifying if you feel the desire to control your own work hours your work environment be your
1:01:04
own boss choose your own work companions then maybe once before the top of the hour to moyer
1:01:10
at tombs uh maura i think that you and i look at the same things and see them perhaps somewhat differently
1:01:17
that's what we've got going on here i look at the earthquakes i look at the news because i must every
1:01:24
single day and i go by my feelings you know my instinctual we talked about that a
1:01:29
little while ago almost animal-like feelings and i can't even tell you what it is
1:01:34
i wouldn't even try to put it into words except to say it's the feeling that something is coming yeah i don't
1:01:42
overly worry about it but i feel it i note it and uh and that's about as far
1:01:47
as i go with it otherwise um i work in uh part-time in a
1:01:52
metaphysical bookshop and so i do get a lot of frightened people in that uh want solace want answers and
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sure i see how sometimes a news item can be like a match to paper with certain people and
1:02:06
so i'm really aware of that but um i watch the science too and i try and ground my
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information i just was choosing to speak about the other end of the spectrum right now um could i just say something like a ps
1:02:19
to what the last caller brought up absolutely um i would like to say that the way i view prophecy is it's a gift
1:02:25
it's giving us a sneak preview of something that's in the works and so the purpose of prophecy is to
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warn us so that if we take notice of it we have free will and
1:02:36
we can take certain constructive action to avert the outcome if it's a negative prophecy
1:02:43
so in that sense uh if a negative prophecy is fulfilled you could say that's the one
1:02:50
that failed because we didn't take enough action in the right way to avert whatever the negative outcome was so i
1:02:57
feel a lot of that is what we're dealing with here it's just we do the best we can
1:03:03
given the information that we have from the people in the past who could clearly see the nature of these cycles
1:03:08
that repeated and we all know because at this point we're feeling it as well something that's coming online is
1:03:15
incredibly exciting and challenging it's scary at the same time and so
1:03:20
keeping our balance is really what we need to do to see this thing through
1:03:26
and that means taking note of the scientific and the facts in the real world the earth
1:03:32
changes but also not avoiding spiritual realities or psychological insights that
1:03:37
kind of take us into another way of dealing with the same issues that's it okay um
1:03:45
maura do you remember i've said this to a lot of my guests lately and uh really we're so close to the top of the
1:03:51
hour that i i'll hold it and we'll do it after the top of the hour i don't want to get into it because it will not be time for you to
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respond my view now of where this change uh is headed or what this
1:04:03
change is about or where i feel we are in this change and i can put it very simply
1:04:09
and i can live with it very easily and have for quite some time now there was a once a movie it is my
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favorite uh analogy called the high and mighty it was a good movie moira may be old
1:04:23
enough to remember the high and muddy i don't know but it doesn't matter it involved a um a reciprocal engine aircraft
1:04:31
motors not jets back in the days when we flew the pacific ocean
1:04:38
from here to japan or here to wherever and about halfway across the atlantic
1:04:44
ocean the reciprocal um engine aircraft of that day could only carry enough aviation gas
1:04:50
enough gas um so that they could go from point a to point b across the whole pacific well somewhere
1:04:57
out across the mid pacific uh at some point about the halfway point
1:05:03
a little red light would come on in the cockpit and under it would be a label that says
1:05:09
point of no return now that simply means that you now have only enough gasoline
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to go on to your destination should anything go wrong you do not have enough gasoline to turn
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around and go back to the point you took off from
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now that analogy in mind it is my view looking at the world listening to the news and
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observing um observing the earth changes that continue and quicken that mankind's
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little red light came on some time ago now i can't tell you
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what's at the destination i have no idea where we're going in other words i simply have felt for some time that
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that little red light has been on so we're on the way does that analogy make sense to you myra
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oh yes it does ah that's that's the way i feel and i'm i think that's a good analogy and i'm
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i'm uh comfortable with that uh centered with that as you would say um i've got a fact for you
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here and it says simply if god is so perfect then why is his creation so imperfect
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you want to take a shot at that yes we had a thing called the fall and that was where we ate of the tree of
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knowledge and we disqualified ourselves from paradise and we got thrown out actually
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we fell out of the tree well i think we got stronger we got thrown out yes banished
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so what this means is we have free will and the the point of the whole exercise
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is to get back to the place we left
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and qualify for godhood and so the fact of the world
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doing the things it does in the people behaving the way they do has absolutely nothing to do with god he
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says if you want to do it this way do it and learn by your own
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mistakes called free will free will so we learn there's nothing like a bit of suffering
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to make us modify our behavior you see it's a great learning process we can
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learn through other ways but you know the pattern of human nature has been to just wait until you know you're up against the woman and do something so
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uh it is a place of suffering the world it hasn't been happy and part of what this sorting out period
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is about i believe and you know what the processes seem to be saying is that this is a time when you know
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school is over we're coming to the graduating point some people will graduate and some people won't and
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i we look at the native traditions people who have lived this way for hundreds of years and haven't been
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civilized in the same way that western culture has they have a phenomenon which they call
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an initiation many of the wise people in native culture who are shamans people of
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certain abilities great healers great visionaries they come to qualify for this by
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tremendous suffering and it's like um there's always this story that is the same it's
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like a brush with death um maybe uh an after-death experience where you
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actually were dead and returned you know there are these people that have been revived um something that's so bad it tears you
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apart and all the mythology has this model of being torn apart falling apart
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being dismembered and then something like this happens and all the parts come back together again and
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re-constellate at a higher level and so at this higher level
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you've got an evolutionary anomaly a person who is gifted psychically is the healer and
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moves in a way to benefit all of humanity within with whom he or she comes in contact so
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i feel in a sense this is what the world is coming to um i was talking earlier of you know the
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original paradise that was the perfect time and so in all mythology and all these
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stories we hear about the beginning when it was perfect and the ending when it wasn't so as time wears on things become more
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and more chaotic we get further away from our space of wholeness until we fall apart so badly and the
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chaos is so distracting to us that the only thing we can do is to wait for some internal process to
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happen in the deep psyche and this is where these arch