Jordan Peterson - Is It Too Late for the UK? A Candid Talk with Winston Marshall

Apr 3, 2025
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with writer, musician, and podcaster, Winston Marshall. They discuss the nature of identity on the community and national levels, the relationship between a nation and its citizens, how the UK has a rich culture that is worth preserving, and the unifying question that has still yet to be answered.

Winston Marshall is a writer, musician, and host of “The Winston Marshall Show.” In 2007 Winston co-founded folk-rock band Mumford & Sons. In their fourteen years together the band won 2 Grammy Awards, 2 Brit Awards, an Ivor Novello and performed with the likes of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, Willie Nelson and Elton John. In 2017 he released the techno-fusion album ‘Silk’ in collaboration with HVOB. His remix work includes Maggie Rogers and Jack Garrett. His written work has been published by The Free Press, The Jewish Chronicle, The Spectator, The Daily Mail. Through 2022 and 2023 he hosted the podcast ‘Marshall Matters’ at The Spectator.

This episode was filmed on February 22nd, 2025.

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:59) Intro
(4:00) The ARC Conference 2025: telling a better story and offering a positive vision of the future
(8:55) “A relief in and of itself” - acknowledging that we have a culture worth preserving
(13:00) What ARC means to Winston Marshall
(14:29) What it means to English vs. British, why this is problematic in an open society
(19:30) Identity, tyranny, and chaos: a broken hierarchy
(25:11) What is the correct relationship between a nation and its citizens?
(26:45) “National identity is shared participation in the same stories”
(30:41) The unifying question that hasn’t been answered
(33:55) The ring of power and the proper story for free societies
(37:44) Why warring tribes started to trade
(40:56) The biblical stories are an examination of sacrifice
(42:45) God’s covenant and his four offerings to Abraham, father of many nations
(47:25) What is the proper unifying principle?
(52:55) The problem of the center vs. the periphery
(57:51) It’s worse than equity, it’s religious hypocrisy
(1:02:01) Gordon Allport’s scale of prejudice
(1:04:48) Luciferian intelligence vs. embodied knowledge: each is a blessing and a curse
(1:09:00) Who pays the price for your moral proclamations? The answer tells you everything
(1:12:22) The preconditions for classic liberalism, what the American system lacks
(1:18:10) The mess of UK politics right now, “calling what might happen is impossible”
(1:22:43) Kamala Harris, Dean Phillips, and the heretical democrats
(1:26:02) “Trump doesn’t give a damn” - the virtue signaling left created the vice signaling right
(1:27:52) Hollywood stars are dissenting in private
(1:29:55) Oliver Anthony is a working class hero and they tried to destroy him

Is It Too Late for the UK? A Candid Talk with Winston Marshall | EP 535
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