CNN frantically interrupts Calley Means as he exposes Paul Offit’s conflicts of interest

NEW: CNN frantically interrupts Calley Means as he exposes Paul Offit’s conflicts of interest and Big Pharma’s incentive to keep people sick.
The direction of the conversation clearly had Pamela Brown on edge.
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Calley Means: “Dr. Offit, as you know, you were the chair at the Children’s Hospital—the Merck chair. It was like a NASCAR driver wearing their sponsors. Merck paid your $1.5 million salary.”
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“And this is what Bobby’s saying: fundamentally, pharma can create good innovations, but they’re foundationally incentivized for children to be sick. Pharma doesn’t make money when children are healthy. The hospitals don’t make money when the beds are empty. Chronic disease, just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the healthcare industry, which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick.”
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“Merck does not have children’s interests at heart. Merck itself has settled billions of dollars in criminal penalties for misleading and falsifying data in the past 10 years.”
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PAMELA BROWN: “And by the way, I should—for transparency—you used to be a pharmaceutical rep, right, Calley?”
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CALLEY MEANS: “No, no, no. I was—about 13 years ago—a lobbyist, which included—”
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PAMELA BROWN: “So you were a lobbyist for pharmaceuticals?”
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PAUL OFFIT: “I’m not RFK Jr.’s problem. The science that has continually shown he’s wrong about vaccines—”
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CALLEY MEANS: “You didn’t make millions from royalties from vaccine makers while sitting on ACIP?”
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PAMELA BROWN: “All right, thank you both for coming on again. Okay, Calley, I let you say your piece. Dr. Offit, I let you also respond. And I appreciate you coming on for this spirited discussion, shall we say? Thank you for joining us.”