EP 56 – A Refutation of Mike Winger on Romans 9

Mike Winger hosts a popular theology show and most of the time (I think) your TDHP pastors would agree with his theology. On today’s episode we review one area where we disagree with him. We’re review why he thinks, Romans 9 can be used to justify the Arminian position on justification. Pastor Jeff explains it this way, “Mike Winger does affirm a high view of God’s Sovereign Plan, but he leaves the final decisive moment up to man.” Go to minute 12 to hear Pastor Jeff explain that more.
Here’s a list of the clips we review from Mike Wingers video which you can find here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y4yjSwEkfY&t=31s
Boxing with Calvin by Pastor Jeff Kliewer– https://www.amazon.com/Boxing-Calvin-Ringside-Centuries-Calvinism/dp/1730703240?asin=1730703240&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1
LINK TO PASTOR JEFF’S SERMON ON ROMANS 9:14
https://youtube.com/live/nQzTxZt9cfk

Please let us know what you thought, please share in the comments or send us an email to podcast@cornerstonesj.org

01. 2:10-2:50 – Romans 9-11 Why didn’t the Jews receive Jesus? What is God doing? What is God’s Plan?
a. Rom 9: 1 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit—
b. Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls
c. rom 1 16 830 ( Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.)
d. rom 8 28-30 – 842
i. Rom 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
e. golden chain of redemption
f. predestinatioin to justification
i. rom 10 1
Rom10:1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved.
g. Rom 9: 1-5 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my hear t. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all
02. 3:40-4:00 – How would I understand this text as a Jewish person?
a. rom 11 28 30 – 13 15 – not as a jew – addressing the romans.
b. Rom 11:28-30 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience

03. 9:15-9:30 – Why haven’t all the other Jews received Messiah?
a. close to the poing
b. rom 9 6 – not as if the word of God has failed?
04. 16:14-17 – He has grief in his heart about them not being saved.
a. confirmed salvation – roma 9 3
05. 17:18-20 – Shouldn’t God care as much as Paul about saving people?
a. salvation -
06. 17:55-18:50 – Paul wants people saved that God does not.
a. imply paul wants people saved that God doesn’t.
b. rom 8 28 30
i. Rom 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
c. 2 thess 2 13
d. rom 8 29 – 23 39
e.
07. 19:50-20:00 – What is the Adoption?
a. rom 9 1-5 – 27 30
b. rom 10 1 – 28 50

08. 25:35-45 – All Children of Abraham are not Jews.
09. 27:05-27:30 – Not all of your descendants.
33 10 – the issue
Rom 9 4-5
rom 9 6-8 – will not carry the 8 blessings –
Those blessings are
10. 28:50-29:40 Election is a word that means choice.
Rom 9 11 – choice unto salvation -
rom 8 28
Ch 3 21 – justification to sanctification -
11. 30:10-30:30 There’s a selection that’s going on.
12. 30:55-31:19 Not every choice God makes is about salvation.
a. not about salvation – Jacob I loved.
b. It does mean love less and choose over another.
c.
13. 33:50-34:00 Jacob I loved. The simple way.
what’s the point
14. 38:40-38:55 Difficult to understand? A bit?
losing track of an argument.
15. 45:40-46:00 It should say they aren’t saved because God didn’t regenerate them.
conflating creaturely will
16. 46:13-46:20 Faith in Jesus
rom 9 16
17. 48:00-48:20 His Choice is mercy, that’s how I’ll be saved.
18. 52:55-53:05 They didn’t choose the path God gave them which was Jesus.
vs 18 – he has mercy on whoever his mercies
vs 20 – what has molded say to the molded.
vs 22 59.07
Acts 13 48 – 106 16 – Tim
1 john 5 1 – 1 08 03 – Jeff – born of God – regeneration – in every other case –

Boxing with Calvin by Pastor Jeff Kliewer– https://www.amazon.com/Boxing-Calvin-Ringside-Centuries-Calvinism/dp/1730703240?asin=1730703240&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

LINK TO PASTOR JEFF’S SERMON ON ROMANS 9:14
https://youtube.com/live/nQzTxZt9cfk

Please let us know what you thought, please share in the comments or send us an email to podcast@cornerstonesj.org
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