They Want Us Fighting—Here’s Why We Shouldn’t With Lisa Szabon-Smith EP 19

In today’s episode of Dawn’s Dirt, I’m sitting down with my friend Lisa Szabon-Smith, the powerhouse behind Fearless Changemakers. We met at a barter pay event, hit it off instantly, and I knew I had to bring her on the podcast. Lisa is a former elite bobsledder turned gym owner turned unapologetic truth-teller who isn’t afraid to challenge the system. We dive deep into the mess that is modern politics, how division is being used as a control tactic, and why people are too scared to ask the hard questions. We talk about leadership (or the lack of it), the dangers of living in political silos, and why real power is in the hands of the people—if we’re willing to use it. This conversation is about building bridges instead of burning them, finding courage in the chaos, and remembering that we can disagree and still love each other. Buckle up, because this one’s going to challenge you.

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Episode Highlights: conversation over division, political silos, fearless leadership, questioning narratives, true advocacy, leading with love, building bridges, rejecting fear-based decisions, power of community, redefining success, finding personal truth, creating positive change

Takeaways:
- Respecting different viewpoints strengthens relationships
- True leadership listens to the people, not just policy
- Fear-based decisions strip personal power and freedom
- The extremes on both sides mirror each other more than they realize
- Conversations—not arguments—create change
- Political engagement doesn’t require picking a side, just asking better questions
The quality of your relationships determines the strength of your community

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Links & Resources Mentioned

Visit Dawn’s Website: https://www.dawnsdirt.ca/
Dawn’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dawns_dirt/
Lisa’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/szabon.com_/
Lisa’s Website: https://www.szabon.com/?
Lisa’s Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/fear-less-changemakers/id1629092907
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