138. The Nazarene Fund
Summary
The conversation with David Jacobs, Executive Director at Nazarene Fund, focuses on the mission and work of the organization in rescuing persecuted religious and ethnic minorities around the world. The Nazarene Fund was started by Glenn Beck in response to the atrocities committed by ISIS in Iraq and Syria. The organization has since expanded its operations to Afghanistan and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa. The conversation highlights the challenges faced in rescuing and relocating people, particularly women and children, who are targeted by extremist groups. Despite the obstacles, the Nazarene Fund has successfully evacuated thousands of individuals and continues to provide assistance and support to those in need. The conversation covers various topics related to the work of The Nazarene Fund in rescuing and providing aid to persecuted Christians and other vulnerable individuals around the world. Some of the main themes include the importance of supporting the organization's work, the impact of prayer in their operations, the challenges faced in different regions, and the need for ongoing donations. The conversation also highlights the dark realities of human trafficking and the efforts to disrupt these networks. The power of prayer and the role of faith in providing hope and strength are emphasized throughout the discussion.
Takeaways
The Nazarene Fund's mission is to rescue persecuted religious and ethnic minorities around the world.
The organization was started in response to the atrocities committed by ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
The Nazarene Fund has successfully evacuated thousands of individuals, particularly women and children, from dangerous situations.
The work of the organization is ongoing, as there are still many people in need of assistance and support. Supporting organizations like The Nazarene Fund is crucial in providing aid and rescue to persecuted Christians and vulnerable individuals.
Prayer plays a significant role in the work of The Nazarene Fund, providing strength and guidance in challenging situations.
Human trafficking is a dark reality, and efforts to disrupt these networks are essential in protecting victims.
Donations, whether recurring or one-time, are vital in enabling organizations like The Nazarene Fund to continue their mission.
Faith and prayer provide hope and comfort in the face of darkness and adversity.
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138. The Nazarene Fund
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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I wanted to invite you on, sir, to come and talk about some of the great things that y'all have done.
David Jacobs: Well, thank you so much for having me today. It's really, it's a pleasure to be here. And um, You know, you and I have connected because of the, the withdrawal three years ago from the United States from Afghanistan and our, and our, uh, friends from Afghanistan.
David Jacobs: That's how you and I have connected. Um, I hope you don't mind me saying that because of amazing support like yours, you were one of our great supporters back then we were able to do a lot of work in Afghanistan. And, um, so I'm grateful to be here. Um, Excited to talk to you a little bit about the work that we do at the Nazarene fund.
David Jacobs: And, and again, thank you for your support, which allows us to go out and hopefully try to [00:04:00] save people around the world who need our help.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So first start off by telling us what is the mission of Nazarene fund and how did y'all get started?
David Jacobs: Yeah, great question. So the Nazarene funds mission is to rescue persecuted religious minorities and ethnic minorities around the world.
David Jacobs: Um, it's funny. Sometimes we get a little bit of grief because we talk about rescuing Christian minorities who are being targeted, but especially with our work in Afghanistan, we've rescued more Muslims than we have, uh, any other religious group out there. Um, but let me just, you asked the question, how did we get started?
David Jacobs: And that's a, I love telling the story. And if I get too long winded, just. Tell me to shut up and I'll shut up. But, um, I love this story. So in 2014, so 10 years ago, flashback president Obama calling ISIS, the JV team. Right. Do you remember that? It was a stupid remark, stupid remark, right? Because we ended up seeing how powerful and deadly ISIS was.
David Jacobs: So. [00:05:00] So, um, almost 10 years ago, just last month, ISIS started pushing through the Nineveh Plains. They started, um, their caliphate, wiping out anyone that got in their way, especially anyone that was not of their faith. So they started targeting Christians and especially they started targeting these, what, it was an indigenous group to Northern Iraq, Southern Syria called, um, Yazidis.
David Jacobs: And they just started wiping out the Yazidi population. Um, to the point where these Yazidis, a very peaceful group of people, um, started running and fleeing their homes and basically took refuge on this place called Sinjar Mountain. Um, it was just a matter of time before Yazidis were going to be wiped out.
David Jacobs: And finally, the allied forces came in. U. S. went in with a few of our friends and started pushing. Pushing ISIS back finally after wiping out so much of the Yazidi population, uh, mass graves found, crimes against humanity, the Hague still taking on, you know, prosecutions [00:06:00] that shouldn't take this long but are, right?
David Jacobs: Glenn Beck, the uh, radio commentator, great man, just gonna throw it out there right now. He's, he's just a very great man. Glenn Beck saw what was happening And saw that basically the world wasn't doing anything for these people. So he basically started a charity and he called it the Nazarene Fund. And the reason why we called it the Nazarene Fund is ISIS forces would go out and go into these cities.
David Jacobs: And they would find the Christian homes. So these spies that were going out deploying ahead of the, uh, the rest of the people were going out and they'd find the Christian homes. And once they would find the Christian homes, they would mark the doors with the sign of the noon. Now the noon is the 14th letter of the Arabic alphabet, basically the N word.
David Jacobs: Except the N word for, for, for the ISIS fighters was Nazarene. In other words, [00:07:00] Christians. So they would mark these doors here where the Christians are living. And when they go into those towns, they'd target the Christians. They'd kill the men. They would kidnap the women. If you were attractive, you would be a sex slave.
David Jacobs: If you weren't attractive, you could just help clean and cook. Um, if you were a young boy, a teenage boy, you had the chance to either convert to Islam or. So we basically took this as a challenge. All right. You're going to mock. Nazarene's. Well, we're the Nazarene fund. And then we put the new, and I should have been wearing a new, uh, Nazarene fund t shirt today.
David Jacobs: We took that emblem, the noon, and we put it everywhere, basically saying, we're not afraid we're coming after you now. I mean, we're, we're a nonprofit, so we're not arming up and coming after you, but we are going to go into your territory. We're going to find those women and children that you've taken, and we're going to do our best to rescue them.
David Jacobs: We're going to help them. So, uh, Over the last nine years, we've been going into some of the worst places in northern Iraq and Syria, and our teams have [00:08:00] been able to slowly find these women and Children who were taken by Isis, rescue them and help them rebuild their lives. Um, it's really a sad situation.
David Jacobs: There's still a list of 2800 women missing. Um, we actually believe most of them are still alive. And we slowly, slowly, slowly rescue one, two at a time. Um, and we find them in terrible places, usually being trafficked for either, uh, sex. The sex trade, uh, maybe they're either being pushed through Syria into Turkey to be sold.
David Jacobs: Um, sometimes we feel they're being sold for their organs, but the point is we're still rescuing these women nine years later. So that's how we started. Um, once we got up and going, we were then able to branch out a little bit and we basically try to go find anyone that's being persecuted for their religious beliefs or for their ethnicity.
David Jacobs: And we currently have operations running in, uh, Uh, mostly MENA, so [00:09:00] Middle East, Northern Africa, and one of our biggest operations, again, how I, how I met you was our, um, operation in Iraq, which started just over three years ago and not Iraq, sorry, Afghanistan. Afghanistan.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and I first got introduced to this organization through Glenn Beck and I started contributing and, and for years I carried a little.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: that I put on my, um, hospital badge. I put it on the device that would hold my hospital badge. And yeah, it was, it was kind of a way of. Of doing what Christ tells us to turn the other cheek to allow them to slap you again, but as an equal rather than as an inferior, because you're doing the dangerous things you're, you're arming, I'm not arming up here because you're nonprofit organization, but going to these dangerous places without arms and extracting people out in these dangerous situations.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it's just absolutely incredible. And then the way that y'all stepped up for the Afghanistan, um, issue that happened is absolutely incredible. And so me and my wife [00:10:00] decided it was time to, to give to y'all. And we weren't the most, the biggest contributor. We weren't the smallest contributor. We were kind of probably in the meaty middle, but it was important to us.
David Jacobs: Well, I, you know, this, this isn't about you. It's not about me, but you were a very significant contributor. And, but the point I would like to make for you personally, as well as anyone that's listening to this today is it really is always amazing to me when government fails us, which that's not the amazing point.
David Jacobs: I expect government to fail us. The amazing point to me is when good people rise up and then pick up the slack and do what's right. And they do it quickly. They do it with limited funds. And I wouldn't say there's a right way, but they do it the best way possible because there's no bureaucracy. There's no red tape.
David Jacobs: They just go in and they get things done. Now, we do have to follow international laws. We do have to. We do. We were very buttoned up when it comes to everything OFAC and everything else. The point is, is that [00:11:00] what amazes me is to see good people stand up like you and your wife, like the thousands and thousands of donors that stood up that allowed us to save thousands and thousands of lives in Iraq.
David Jacobs: And that's just not hyperbole I can go through. And I hope you will allow me to go through and kind of. Rattle off some statistics at some point in this conversation about what we really did in Afghanistan, because we failed as a country. We failed as a country. The people rose up, spoke up and did something about it.
David Jacobs: And, uh, three years later, we're still trying to fix some of the wrongs that took place. We're not, we can't fix all of them. Too many people have died. Uh, we have people die all the time. Um, the plight of women in Afghanistan, especially right now is just pathetic and sad and just. It pisses me off. Um, but for those that we got out that you and your wife helped get out, the thousands of people helped get out, man, um, there are blessings.
David Jacobs: I believe, um, you know, I believe that, you know, God [00:12:00] notices those things and, uh, and I don't, I think we all kind of do things because we feel it's right, but yeah, any, any blessings that are associated with it, we'll take those for us and for our families and for the nation as a whole.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Let's get into some of those things you want to talk about.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Some of those statistics and some like, um, obviously, uh, I understand, but I want to make it clear for the audience to understand that there are certain things that you can't discuss because of operational security, which is still ongoing. Um, but share what you can.
David Jacobs: Yeah. So let's go back to, uh, let's go back to August.
David Jacobs: 2021, right? Had a call from our main operator. Brilliant guy. Um, his name is Rudy Atala, former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel did a lot of security work, excuse me, uh, uh, intelligence work. And Rudy, um, is just one of my dearest brothers on earth. One of my best friends, Rudy called me up one day and said, Hey, we're going to lose, we're going to lose Afghanistan.
David Jacobs: It's just, it's, it's, it's a matter of days, weeks, it's going to fall. So we, So I started talking, he said, Hey, we, there's, there's some Christians that we need to get out. Do you think we can [00:13:00] raise 20 grand to get these Christians out? I was like, yeah, I think we can. And then I started doing the math. I'm like, Rudy, there's more than, you know, these three families.
David Jacobs: What are we, what are we thinking? If we, uh, how much per person, right? If we try to just start pulling out as many Christians as we can, he's like, Oh, geez, man. And it's, let me back up here and say a little bit. It's expensive to rescue people. Like it's, it's, and it's not because you have operators on the ground who are just like, I'm going to cash in on this.
David Jacobs: It's just expensive. You have logistics of getting people on the ground. You have, you know, very rarely can you take someone from a situation and take them right to another great situation. So in other words, you can't take them out of their home in Afghanistan, then drop them into, I'm just going to say Ohio, because that's where all the Haitians are eating cats right now.
David Jacobs: So you can't just literally just take. One refugee from here and put them in a new home here. There's so much in between where you have to feed them. You have to house them. You have to pay for all their medical equipment or their medical needs. And so, uh, it's a [00:14:00] really expensive, it's a prop, a very expensive proposition to save people.
David Jacobs: So I'm looking at Rudy, I'm like, Rudy, well, let's. Let's see if we can raise a hundred thousand dollars and get out as many Christians as we can. So we reached out to Glenn, said, Glenn, we're going to try something crazy. We're going to see, can you possibly mention this on the air and see if we can raise a hundred grand?
David Jacobs: He's like, wait, what? He's just like, this is too important. We got to go big. Like we have, and he kind of had that, and I'm not going to speak for him, but I will just kind of paraphrase the feeling, which was what you and I talked about, we screwed up as a country. Um, we're the bad guys and I'm not saying you and me, but I'm saying our government, this administration currently failed miserably.
David Jacobs: And, uh, it still makes my blood boil, but they failed. And he just said, we're going to stand up and let's just save as many people as we can. And he went to the donors. He went to his radio audience and I tell you, man, [00:15:00] I've never seen anything like it. It actually freaked me out. It actually, I was really happy those first few days when we saw the first few million roll in, we're like, we're going to rescue so many people.
David Jacobs: And then it kept going and going and going and about within about a month, we'd raised over 40 million. And, uh, I was humbled while at the same time scared to death. Um, and I'll, I'll tell you why I was scared to death. And you know, this it's, it's, I don't want to say it's easy to fight the bad guys. But it's sometimes easy to fight the bad guys.
David Jacobs: You know who they are. You can, you can put your, you know, let down range or you can do whether it's, it's intelligence or whatever it is. When you know who the bad guy is, it's great. All of a sudden, we realized that we were going to be fighting our own government. We were going to be fighting the state department to get clearances for planes.
David Jacobs: We are going to be fighting the defense department. I mean, this was when we really got nervous because we just, we could [00:16:00] have moved, uh, A lot of planes very quickly. And we realized that we were going to be hitting that bureaucratic brick wall, and that scared us a lot, but on a positive note, man, I want to make this positive people stepped up.
David Jacobs: We raised so much money. People like you and your wife gave till it hurts is I remember what Glenn saying and people did people sacrificed. And we went into the best we could as a nonprofit. And I know it's so funny because guys would reach out to me, all these. All these retired intelligence guys and special ops guys would call me and be like, Hey, we want to come to your HQ and help you.
David Jacobs: Um, where'd you, you know, cause I think they're imagining like big screens on the TV or on the walls, you know, and we have like satellite imagery and everything. Brother, I stood in my kitchen. In my pajamas while Rudy stood in his home and we ran this thing. Um, we, we basically ran our side of the war for about three months.
David Jacobs: I joke around. See, I was in my [00:17:00] pajamas. I was in my pajamas for the first three weeks. Cause I didn't shower or go to bed for like three weeks. Oh, I finally came down. She's just like, you stink. Go shower, get some shut eye, but I'm going to skip to the end, not the end, but I'm gonna skip forward a little bit and say, because of amazing, amazing Americans.
David Jacobs: Who heard the call to help their fellow men. Um, we were able to get 35 chartered flights. Off the ground, both out of HKIO, which was in Kabul. And then when Kabul shut down again, we went up North and we were able to get flights out of Masri Sharif, 35 flights equaling about 9, 500 souls. Now at the same time, because we'd been blessed with the resources, We had partners and other people coming to us saying, Hey, we have other, we have rat lines going here.
David Jacobs: We have transportation going here, but we don't have the money to move them. We were able to help partner organizations [00:18:00] who, uh, you know, probably names you'd know of, you know, four military guys who, excuse me, who were going back and doing the same thing. A lot of the guys on actually went and landed on the ground.
David Jacobs: You might know the name, you know, Chad Robeshaw. Actually, I think you and I talked about him briefly. I mean, true Patriots who were not going to leave. Their brothers behind who they'd served with, and they actually went boots on the ground and we had to help guys like that. So we helped move an additional 5, 000 souls out of Afghanistan that way.
David Jacobs: And so if you look at what we did, the Nazarene fund, again, I'm going to say it was in partnership with amazing people all around the world, mostly Americans who wanted to do what was right. Uh, roughly 14, 000 people. And then the problem was, again, once you. Take someone somewhere, you know, we were dropping people in Abu Dhabi.
David Jacobs: We were dropping people in Doha. Well, then you have to process those, those people. And again, we were blessed with enough funds that we processed 22, 000 [00:19:00] people in Abu Dhabi. And, uh, again, um, we're a small little group. So when I say we, I hope, Oh, I'm trying to give credit. To everyone that deserves the credit, our partners, volunteers, and of course, the supporters that made it possible because again, I thought we're going to raise a hundred grand and move.
David Jacobs: If we were lucky, you know, 20 people, 20 Christian families out within the day, 14, 000 moved out through the initial evacuation, 22, 000 assisted overall. And we're still quietly moving people. Um, we're still quietly moving people. I'm not going to go into a lot of detail. I will say we have, um, safe houses in.
David Jacobs: Different countries where we've been sitting, taking care of a lot of people for a long time. And the reason this is really frustrating is we're now in year three. It's been three years since the fall. It's September. The fall was August of 21. We're in September of 24. Um, [00:20:00] countries have basically shut down and said, we don't want any more Afghans.
David Jacobs: And we're sitting on hundreds and hundreds of people who we've moved to safety looking for homes. Um, so there are places, there are countries now that are opening up. Um, slowly again, they're, they're opening up and we're doing our best. We have amazing teams who are, and this is the part that blows me away.
David Jacobs: I look at a refugee application form and I just. Pull my hair out, which I don't have that option anymore. Um, but, uh, we have teams that understand the process and who are going to every country. They can that is willing to take these refugees and they're doing the hard work and we're still moving people.
David Jacobs: Um, We're not moving as many people out of Afghanistan anymore because we don't have places to take them. But I do have some really, I mean, we are still trying to, for instance, I'll just, I can't give you all the details. I wish I could, but for instance, last week I told the teams, [00:21:00] guys, we can't take any more cases.
David Jacobs: We're, we're, we're tapped out because we don't have any place to take them. After that, we can't keep these people in a third country and take care of all their needs for the next three years. It just, we don't have that sort of capacity and ability. I get this text. I'm with my wife. I can't remember where we were.
David Jacobs: I think we were at a. Clothing shopping for one of my kids or something and came across and I looked at it and it's just kind of like, it's kind of like just dropped down and she's like, is everything okay? She's used to those responses, but she always asks everything. Okay. I'm like I handed her my phone and I usually don't do that, but it was the case that just came across of.
David Jacobs: An Afghan woman. And I, again, I would love to tell you the details I can't cause it's an ongoing case, but basically this woman has like weeks until she's dead. And it's someone reaching out saying, Hey, I know you're not taking cases, but just read this case. I read it. I looked at my wife. I'm like, what do I do?
David Jacobs: She's like, Hey, you idiot. You take the case. [00:22:00] And so we took the case and we would, I would have taken it anyway, but I just needed that shot of reality. So this woman was being targeted by the Taliban. Can't tell you why, but we'll get her out. We'll get her to a safe place. And eventually we'll get her to a safe country where she will rebuild her life.
David Jacobs: So I know I've been talking a lot. I'm sure you have some questions. I'd love to answer them. But again, that's when I, when I, when I reach out to people like you, Sam, I think I told you that because of your support, thousands of lives were saved. That's not hyperbole. And if you think about it, just 9, 500 people on our planes alone, again, with our partners, again, with other people, we help move.
David Jacobs: I mean, you're talking about generations. Generations of people now that have a chance at rebuilding their life, not under Taliban rule. I mean, and especially I don't have any daughters, but I'll tell you a story here about one of my best friends in the entire world who we helped get out. [00:23:00] He has four daughters.
David Jacobs: And I tell you
David Jacobs: to be a woman now in Afghanistan is the equivalent of, I just imagine how it would be pretty much the same. Anyway, I I've talked a lot. Sorry. No,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: no, no. It's wonderful. This is, this is While you're here, God has given me this platform, not for my voice, but for my guest's voice, especially for yours, because, I mean, he's given you this opportunity, with your organization and your hard work, that y'all have saved roughly 34, 000 people.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mean, that's just mind boggling, that there's that many people not living under just pure hell anymore, because you mentioned the women. And the young girls, but even the young boys that are used as sex toys in that culture. And that's just normal. That's just what they do, you know, and there's been plenty of service members that have gotten in trouble for, for taking care of business when they were over there.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Um, and it's, it's, I've never gone to Afghanistan and I'm grateful that I never did. [00:24:00] Um, and I'm grateful for the men and women that went over there to help bring freedom to those, those people living there in, I mean, it's like living in 10, 000 years ago, you're out in the middle of nowhere. There's no power.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: There's nothing.
David Jacobs: Yeah. It's, um, it's not only prehistoric in terms of, like you said, no power, a lot of places, no plumbing, right. It's, it's prehistoric that way, but it's also prehistoric in terms of thinking and ideology. And I mean, prehistoric is the wrong word because, you know, in my mind, prehistoric goes back to Adam and Eve and, and where actually God was present.
David Jacobs: Right. Um, but you touched on some of those things and I have no problem throwing the Taliban under the bus here. But yeah, I remember my first, uh, One of my good friends after his first deployment coming home just, and he was a helicopter pilot, and he's just like, I can't believe what I've been watching through my, you know, my ir my, my night vision.
David Jacobs: Right. I can't believe as I'm [00:25:00] flying around the countryside watching what these guys are doing to animals, watching what they're doing to little boys. And like you said, I mean, you know, the kinda philosophy behind it is little boys are used for entertainment, women are used for reproduction, and it's just, wait, what?
David Jacobs: Right. It's, it's, it's anyway. So, but that's focusing on the negative. And, but in terms of where they are now, look, Afghanistan right now currently has one of the highest rates. Women committing suicide is through the roof right now in Afghanistan. And imagine this, imagine you're 30 years old and, or even 25 years old.
David Jacobs: And you're, you're just a child, you're a young, young girl when all of a sudden freedom arrives in Afghanistan. So you're able to go to school, you're able to go to finish all of sixth grade, you're able to go through all the junior high, high school. And then if you want, you can go to college. If you don't want to go to college, you can go get a job.
David Jacobs: I mean, and it was [00:26:00] opportunities were there's just like they were for the women as they were for the men. You could become a lawyer. You can become a doctor. You could become a news anchor. You can, I mean, you name it. They had freedom. And sure, Afghanistan was still a mess, but it wasn't like it was under the rule of the Taliban.
David Jacobs: So you have 20 years of freedom. You grew up in this. Now, all of a sudden, you're a 25, 30 year old woman. You have a law degree. You have a medical degree. You're a journalist. You're a flight attendant, beauty store, you know, a beautician, whatever job you want to say, fill in the blank, teacher. Now you're told, not only can you not do that profession, but you have to cover your face.
David Jacobs: You can't leave home without a man. You can't speak now without a man's permission. You can't sing in public because you know, doc, when you hear a woman singing, you know, it just gets you way too excited. Right? So the, so the Bureau of Virtue and Vice has now made that illegal. I mean, it's absolutely insane.
David Jacobs: So you have these women [00:27:00] now that knew freedom, they had the taste that's been ripped away. I actually get claustrophobic just thinking about it because I can't think of anything worse. It's one thing not to know it. It's another thing to have had it, then how to have it taken away. And again, I actually get my, my tech, my chest actually tightens up when I think about it.
David Jacobs: Cause I can't think of anything worse. And these, again, like I mentioned earlier, I don't have daughters, but I've just worked with enough women lately trying to get them out of there where I feel just, I feel I'm not, I use that word intentionally. I feel this responsibility. Especially because we help create that mess that we, we've still got to help as many as we can, especially women.
David Jacobs: And that's what we're trying, by the way, that's what we're working on right now. We're focusing mainly on prosecutors, judges. The reason why we're focusing on those two is because we have a good pathway to a country with a partner that's processing. There's a country, I can't say which country it is that's willing to take.
David Jacobs: Prosecutors and [00:28:00] judges and help them rebuild their lives this year alone. This partner organization has helped us move over 400 people from Afghanistan and neighboring countries, their Afghans. We had moved out and restart their lives in another country. So what a blessing over 400 this year alone. Um, and then we're focusing on women activists who, and, and Christians as well, who are still being hunted down.
David Jacobs: And I'll tell you, unless you have a question, I'll tell you a little bit more about these women activists, if that's okay, so the women activists. Are people who stood up during the fall three years ago, and they still stand up a little bit, but they've learned the hard way that they will be, they will be silenced.
David Jacobs: Um, the women activists that we've helped, as I read the reports that come in across my desk, and I'm going to just say it as it is here. And if you want to take it out later, you can, but you know, I will say, if you have kids listening to this, this gets a little graphic and I am going to say it because I think people need to know what the [00:29:00] Taliban are doing to these women.
David Jacobs: But these women who stood up to fight for their rights. Uh, burning their hijabs, burning a flag, standing up, saying, no, we want our rights that we had for the last 20 years. Um, we have reports, many of the women now they're in our care, a couple more that we're looking to hopefully extract soon. Um, not only were arrested by the Taliban and imprisoned, um, but we're humiliated as well through torture, um, electrodes, you know, you've seen, we've all seen movies, you know, where batteries, you know, are attached to.
David Jacobs: Cables are attached to people and they're electrocuted. Well, these guys attach Attached, uh, you know, uh, battery cables to women's labia to their nipples. Um, so they're not only physically torturing them, but they're also humiliating them. Something that, you know, it's a very, you know, even non extreme, uh, Muslims are very, very proper, very [00:30:00] private.
David Jacobs: And it doesn't matter what religion you are, right. But they've done this to humiliate them. Of course that would humiliate any woman. It would just be, uh, I can't think of just. This is me off talking about it, but that's the type of torture that we're dealing with. So we're really trying to help those women who have been targeted by the Taliban, who have been tortured.
David Jacobs: It's a little bit harder to extract them because many times, um, you know, it was so kind of the United States. We left behind all of our biometrics, you know, it's really easy now to get thumbprints, uh, fingerprints, you know, I scans. We left all that stuff behind. So, um, it's now a little bit harder to, to move people than it used to be, but we still can do things the right way.
David Jacobs: When I say things the right way, um, we're still, I'm not breaking any international laws. We're not doing anything incorrect, but we're still trying to move women that are being targeted by the Taliban to safety and eventually to new homes where you can help them rebuild their lives.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Some of that stuff is hard to hear, but I'm, I'm glad [00:31:00] there's men and women willing to take on this challenge.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Like you and your organization, because someone has to, and not all of us are had the physical capacity or are able to get away from, you know, whatever. Uh, role God's calling us to, but, but we can contribute to what you're doing.
David Jacobs: Well, and that brings up a really good point. Um, you know, I've been in this space for a little while now, and I remember one of the, I don't know what I remember, but one of the, one of the main things I know that people would always come up and say, like, um, Hey, I want to go operate, or I want to go do this.
David Jacobs: It's like, well, what do you do for a living? It's like, well, I'm a doctor, I'm a lawyer, I'm a teacher, I'm a bus driver, right? It's like, well, you know what, you keep just being really good at that and just support us because you're not going to go operate. You're not going to go, um, you know, you're not going to, we're not going to fly you to Afghanistan and, and, and, you know, God bless you because I know you would, I know you're not lying, but we're going to be more effective if you just keep [00:32:00] being a good husband and father.
David Jacobs: Keep being a good Patriot, keep, uh, uh, keep working in your community to make sure that you're just the best human being you can be. And if you can give us five bucks a month, if you can give us 1 a month, if you can just offer up prayers on our behalf, we'll take that. And, uh, so, so yeah, no, I'm grateful that I'm grateful that, uh, to quote, uh, Liam Neeson, right.
David Jacobs: That we have some unique skills here. Not me. I just sit behind a computer all day looking pretty, but, um, that we have some unique skills with some unique, Individuals around the world who are willing to put their lives on the line to bless the lives of other people. It's it's wonderful
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What are some other areas of the world that y'all have been been able to to shed some of god's light into?
David Jacobs: Yeah, I appreciate you asking that. Um, so I love africa for some reason. Um, it's um, I [00:33:00] don't want to upset people the way i'm going to say this I want to be careful, but africa is so used to Americans dropping money into africa It's just this endless pit, right?
David Jacobs: We could just send money after money after money and it just kind of goes nowhere. And so I'm always, I've always been very hesitant to just spend money in Africa, but I actually feel really drawn to Africa and I've felt drawn there for a long time because I think we've figured out a really good formula now where we have teams on the ground in a couple of different countries, Sierra Leone and Nigeria.
David Jacobs: And there are other places as well that we'll do, we'll do projects, but those two places, I really love our model, which is you have local people, um, that are paid a very fair local wage. So in other words, we're helping. That community from the Nazarene fund, we're not paying, um, [00:34:00] you know, exorbitant prices for some American or South African or other person to go move there to run these teams.
David Jacobs: That's costing us an arm and a leg. We have local people who have an interest in making their country better. And helping their communities be better. And so we help contribute to that community, both financially, but more importantly, we have these projects in place where we are trying to make sure that Christians who are being targeted, um, and then usually trafficked.
David Jacobs: That we do all we can to disrupt those networks. And if you look at Nigeria, Nigeria is an interesting place because there are more Christians killed in Nigeria than anywhere else in the world. It is the, it's not, it's not like the number one place for Christian persecution. It always falls like number three or four if you look at world statistics, but there are more Christians killed there per year.
David Jacobs: So that's why I was wondering, I'm like, okay, well, Christian persecution might be greater other places. But if you can't, if you're looking at body count, it's hard to say this, but it is number one. So we have some interesting projects in [00:35:00] Nigeria, and if I have three minutes, I'll try to talk about that. Is that okay?
David Jacobs: Yeah,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: please do. So
David Jacobs: you probably know by now, I mean, when I say three minutes, it's probably close to nine. So it's perfect. But in Nigeria, it was, um, really interesting because we, we wanted to go and make sure that, um, that we, um, had this opportunity to build this team out there. And, um, we started finding and hearing word through these intelligence channels of what we call baby factories.
David Jacobs: So basically imagine a neonatal facility, a brick and mortar, where if you need from the outside, you're walking by and it's like, Oh, well, if you, if you need to, you know, assistance with your birth, you can go there and they can give you a new needle, neonatal assistance. And, and so, but as our guys started looking into it more, a couple of these places, as they were getting Intel, something was off a lot of these places they discovered.
David Jacobs: And one of the first ones we shut down, um, had [00:36:00] this model, which was, they went in and they realized that there were. Um, mentally handicapped women, uh, special needs women who were pregnant and they would deliver these babies. The babies would be taken, sold on the black market, and then the women would be impregnated as quickly as possible again.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow.
David Jacobs: So you basically just had these factories of women being impregnated. And the babies, as they're being sold, we did our best to track down different channels. We were able to shut down a bunch of different rings of trafficking rings. Um, but, but most, most of these babies, we believe we're going for organ harvesting.
David Jacobs: Uh, uh, an infant's heart on the black market is worth a ton of money. So they're being pieced out like you would an old Camaro, right? Cool question. Can
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: you. I don't know if you're able to do this, um, can you give like a magnitude, a number of how many babies may have gone through a facility like this? And then also, [00:37:00] what are people using baby hearts for?
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, um,
David Jacobs: we've, Um, we've rescued, we've rescued, um, when I say rescued, we've been able to take these pregnant women and get them into, get them the help they need. We've rescued, um, it's either 65 or 68, I can't remember the number off the top of my head. We've taken over 68, over 60 women out of these type of clinics.
David Jacobs: Wow. Um, so. For how many years do you think they were
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: in a clinic like this?
David Jacobs: Uh, it's a great question and let me, and let me also, and then, yeah, clinic. And then let me also just say, and since then we've also shut down, we've, we've noticed that the internet has played a much bigger role, Facebook, all these social media channels that are now drawing in these pregnant women come get help, but we basically want to buy your baby.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow.
David Jacobs: So we've, we've probably shut down, I think, I believe we shut down about, well, four, like brick and mortars, but we've shut down [00:38:00] more of these, but we've taken, you know, it's over 60 women. So that's obviously over 60 babies. But on top of that, we've rescued another, I believe it's, you know, 50 children or so that would be in the process of being, you know, rescued.
David Jacobs: Trafficked as well. And you asked the question about what does the baby heart use for? Um, we've seen these hearts get shipped off to, and this was mostly in Iraq. When we saw this in Syria, they were going to the, to Eastern bloc countries. You have about 20, well, you tell me my understanding is you have about 24 hours to extract it and then get it back in the new host heart.
David Jacobs: Parents paying a lot of money for a heart to save their child. On the black market in, in, in Eastern Europe, Russia, those places. Um, unfortunately in Africa, um, and I've seen this through, through, um, colleagues of mine and just, just working in Africa a lot. Um, you have the black magic, you have, um, the dark arts where, uh, children are sacrificed, arts are [00:39:00] used.
David Jacobs: Genitals are used. Um, you know, um, I can think of. Situation that I saw often in, um, Uganda where children's genitals were, were cut off and then, um, uh, which doctor we would call them would go. And if you had a new business, they would either put them above the, uh, above the door or they had buried them in the ground at the front door to bless your business.
David Jacobs: Um, yeah, so it's, it's really dark. It's really terrible. It's the world we live in. Um, I saw this in Haiti as well, where voodoo is still very strong and Haiti's a mess right now. We can talk about that later, but, um, but as far as Africa goes in Nigeria, these baby, these baby farms has been a focus of ours is doing the best we can to disrupt these networks, right?
David Jacobs: We can't save them all, but we can arrest bad guys. Um, especially if they, it was, we've our guys on the ground to try to climb up the food chain. It's one thing to arrest low level traffickers. It's another thing if you can collide the food, climb the [00:40:00] food chain and get some of the politicians and businessmen that are behind a lot of these things.
David Jacobs: So that's Nigeria. Also, we work in Sierra Leone. We had a wonderful month in Sierra Leone last month. Like it's so hard to put a number. On a human life, right? Because there is not a number. There's no dollar amount, right? But we had, we had a, we had a month last month where we rescued 28 kids being trafficked through Sierra Leone ages one to 16.
David Jacobs: And at the end of the day, you go, Hey, if that's all we ever did as an organization, That's one month was worth it. Right. Yeah. I mean, I feel that way and I actually have to feel that way or I, I can't function with all the bad stuff. I see. I have to just go. It was worth it. Today was worth it. Right. Um, but yeah, so in Sierra Leone against the same model, we have people on the ground.
David Jacobs: We're contributing to that society. We're supporting them. We're, you know, we've taught them how to fish and they're fishing now. Right. They don't need us to go in and provide everything. They need [00:41:00] funding. Right. And that's where guys like you step up and help us. And we try to do our best, you know, looking at spreadsheets, looking at our teams around the world and go, where am I going to get my biggest return on investment?
David Jacobs: And it sounds really bad when you think that return on investment is a human life when you put, but that's how we have to look at it, right? Where are we going to get most bang for our buck? And again, Sierra Leone last month, I just looked, I got that report and I was just like, I was looking, reading through the names of the kids, so many siblings.
David Jacobs: And I just thought, you know, if you're that parent getting your child, your children, up to three kids back that you were never going to see again, all thanks to some doctor in Arizona who wrote out a check, right. To some bald guy sitting in Utah, uh, you know, who sits on his computer and, and pushes stuff, the operators in Sierra Leone, it's just crazy how God works.
David Jacobs: And I just, we're really blessed to be a part of this. Um, and again, if, if last month in Sierra Leone was all we ever did as an organization. I would think that that was worth it. [00:42:00]
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's it. It's amazing story. And I'm glad we're focusing on, on the good stuff here, because man, this could go dark and I'm sure you see the dark, the darkest dark side of humanity every day, and I can't imagine what you, what you see.
David Jacobs: Yeah, you and I talked a little bit before we pushed record about some of the darkness, right? And some of the repercussions that happen to people when they, when they live in the darkness, even though they're trying to bring light to it, just kind of, it affects you, it affects you. And, uh, and, uh, um, would you mind if I mentioned just some of the treatments that a couple of my buddies have gone through?
David Jacobs: Is that all right? Yeah.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Cause I, I'm sure you have worked with some of the, I mean, even, even your friend who is, you know, the, the pilot who saw the things that he saw and your other friend who is, um, Rudy camera. Yeah.
David Jacobs: Yeah. Rudy. Rudy's seen it all, but, um, you know, I, I have, um, I've worked in the anti trafficking [00:43:00] space for a little while now and, um, did a little bit of time as an undercover operator and, um, you just, and even just sitting behind my desk, getting the reports for Nazarene fund stuff, you know, you just read what.
David Jacobs: terrible things happen. And even if it's not gruesome, because there is the gruesome, there's the child rape, there's the mutilation, there's the torture, there's all these things that we see. Even just for me, like we talked about the women in Afghanistan, like, you know, I mean, just again, I get a physical reaction out of it, right?
David Jacobs: Just thinking about that freedom being taken away because I know how important my freedom is and I would probably just rather die or at least die fighting. Then think that I can't leave my house without someone can't speak without someone telling me that I can. I mean, I would rather die. I would, I would be like a caged animal and just, I'd lose my mind.
David Jacobs: But you know, I, it's so interesting cause I've watched people go through therapy. Um, one of the jobs I had, you know, it was mandatory that we actually meet with a mental health professional before we went out after [00:44:00] certain operations. And, but it was really interesting, um, was watching a couple of my colleagues go through, um, a very regimented, um, ketamine treatment.
David Jacobs: At a very reliable place and I watched the miracle and I use that word, um, you know, specifically and purposely because it was a miracle to watch that those brains kind of rewire from where they were suffering from real darkness and PTSD and depression, uh, suicidal tendencies and just see them come out of it.
David Jacobs: Like, I mean, um, and it was funny because you, you mentioned the word ketamine to some people are like, Oh, let's see, you know, Matthew Perry. Yeah. Now, Matthew Perry died. I'm just like, Oh, when I saw that, I was like, Oh, good hell. Um, and then when you, when you dive into the details of it, you go, well, you know, He was a drug addict.
David Jacobs: Poor guy. I mean, bless his heart. It's terrible. But I'm talking about operators who have given their lives for this country and for saving other people [00:45:00] who just live in darkness, not because they want to, but because of things, things, things they've seen, their brains just don't let them escape. And, um, the only escape I've seen a couple of these guys get is just this, um, ketamine treatment from, um, again, just really Reliable, reliable clinics of professionals who I think really knew what they were doing.
David Jacobs: And I just saw these guys come out of it. So I just think it's a miracle that we have that option. I think it's really frustrating that, um, our active duty men and women can't experience that.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And the reason you bring it up is you were looking at some of my shows and episode one 34 and one 24, I have two other doctors come on and talk about the, Sublingual ketamine for that specific purpose and more purposes and it's I've already seen it in the clinic that I practice at just Amazing like people not hearing voices anymore when they've heard them for 10 years people not needing to use Xanax for over 90 days now, I mean just [00:46:00] other people just them starting to come out and be more of a person when before they just look down and never looked up
David Jacobs: Yeah.
David Jacobs: And, uh, as a disclaimer, I'm saying that as a, just a private citizen, not as the executive director of this nonprofit, but definitely, but at the same time, those worlds to do mesh together. And that's why I've seen guys just, it's been a miracle.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: How can people contribute? Because you fired me up and you know, if, if I was a listener and I've never heard of your organization before the Nazarene fund, how, how would I be able to reach out and, and help contribute to what the great things that you're doing?
David Jacobs: Well, I appreciate bringing that up. You know, it's, uh, it's, if people ask me, what do you love about your job? I'm like, Oh, look, I like helping people. What do you hate about your job? It's like, oh, I hate asking people for money. Really bad at it. I hate it. Sure. So thank you for bringing it up. Um, one thing that is so just, Wonderful [00:47:00] for us is what's called a reoccurring donor.
David Jacobs: It's someone that goes to our website, the Nazarene fund. org, the Nazarene fund. org. And they click on that donate button and they hit reoccurrence. And I'll tell you why that's great because I can then. Build out budgets. I can then project over the next year and go, I think we can go operate a little bit more in this country, or if there's a new theater that I have, we've been wanting to get into because we know that we can make a difference.
David Jacobs: We can say, well, we're projecting that we're going to have this much money this year. So a reoccurring donor is just a real blessing to the Nazarene fund. Again, the Nazarene fund. org. Click the donate button. It should be there very prominently. Everything's processed through another one of Glenn Beck's charities called called mercury one.
David Jacobs: So don't be confused. As long as you go to the Nazarene fund, it's going to go to the Nazarene fund. Um, reoccurring donors are a blessing. A one time donor is a blessing as well. Don't get me [00:48:00] wrong. It's anything. And I, and I'm also going to say this cause I'm not, and I really mean this. I grew up really poor, right?
David Jacobs: I don't, I think my parents would pay a regular tithing to the Lord. Outside of that, I just don't think they had anything to give, right? In fact, I, I lived on government cheese. So, I mean, I, I know what it is to not to have anything. If all you have is your prayers to me, we're grateful. Just, just offer up an occasional prayer on behalf of those people down range that need blessings, the people in Afghanistan and the people that the poor, you People, I mean, just just all over just include us in your prayers.
David Jacobs: If that will be directed to help those that we can, but but as far as donations go, um, every little bit helps. We run a really lean organization. We're very proud of our. You know, last year we came in at like 91 percent of, uh, funds went down range about 9 percent to, to overhead. And, uh, we try to run a reeling organization.
David Jacobs: If you look at the big charities out there, they're like 60, 40, you know, something ridiculous [00:49:00] like, like that, but, um, real good charities are about 80, 20. We really try to stay at that. Over 90 percent of the funds going down range. Um, I wished I could do this for free, but I've got kids in college and all that stuff.
David Jacobs: And I do take a little salary, but, um, we, we do try to make sure that, um, as much money as possible goes to helping people.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And that's Nazarene fund. org. Yeah. TheNazareneFund. org. TheNazareneFund. org. And I'll put a link down below. Uh, please click on it. Please contribute whatever you can. And again, if you can't, give a prayer.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was reading in one of my medical textbooks. It's like this thick. They actually did a study on prayer and they had a group of people in the United States. They were praying for the fertility of a fertility group in Korea. And the group That was being prayed for in Korea that had no idea they were being prayed for actually had higher fertility rates.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So prayer is real. God works through prayer. He also works through your donations to help people like the Nazarene fund. That'll work. [00:50:00]
David Jacobs: Can I share one more quick story? If not really quick to have that time.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, you got time. You got all the time, bro.
David Jacobs: Um, one of the first rescue operations I went on was a group of Venezuelan women who had been, uh, tricked, um, to leave their homes there.
David Jacobs: They'd been promised jobs as waitresses in hotels. Uh, they'd been basically recruited and then groomed and then shipped off to a Caribbean Island where they were basically imprisoned. And basically as they were drugged, well, I'll tell you where it was. Yeah, it was in Haiti. They were promised drugs, excuse me.
David Jacobs: They were promised jobs. In Dominican Republic, some were then drugged, others just coerced, basically taken across the border. You have to remember that Dominican Republic and Haiti share an island called Dominica. It's really interesting as you fly over the two as well. On the, on the Dominican side, it's beautiful and lush.
David Jacobs: That Haitian side is just dark and dirty and dark. That's the best way to describe it. [00:51:00] But, um, basically these wonderful Venezuelan women had been basically taken to this brothel passports taken away and, and basically said, Hey, you guys will never see Venezuela again, unless you work your way home. And the way that you work your way home is you have sex with these men that come into our brothel and we keep a tab.
David Jacobs: Every time you go out and you perform services, you work off your debt. By the way, though, you're staying with us. And so your debt increases every day because we're feeding you twice a day. You're staying in our home, in our home. And we're doing, you know, we have a hair salon and everything. So you basically owe us like 40 bucks a day.
David Jacobs: But of course, if you sleep with. You know, sleep with, it's, it's basically rape in my opinion, you know, at least four to five guys a day, then you're in a positive situation. So, you know, get to work. Well, we, I used to do a lot of work in Haiti. We came across this place and we decided we were going to take it down with our, with the local authorities.
David Jacobs: And long story short, it was a crazy [00:52:00] operation, but at the end of the day, when we got these women out safely to a safe place where we basically were debriefing them, um, the one common thing, and this was. It goes back to what you were saying was they had each prayed individually since the day they left home that they would be rescued, not rescued, but they would be able to get home again about two weeks before the operation, they decided that they would put their faith together and pray together that God would somehow in the middle of nowhere, Haiti, get them back to their children.
David Jacobs: And here about two weeks later, a couple of white dudes walk into this white Americans walk in looking for sex, looking to party and within 24 hours, you know, we have these people out. Um, one more quick, quick story on that.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yes.
David Jacobs: Um, there was a, an interpreter, uh, a Navy guy [00:53:00] came to me and we, his name is Robert.
David Jacobs: Robert came to me. As Afghanistan is falling, I was getting probably a thousand emails a day. I don't know how Robert got through to me, but for some reason I ended up on the phone with Robert and he was just like, brother, I've have to get my guy. I have news name. I'm going to call him Adam. It's not his name, but he goes, Adam saved my life.
David Jacobs: He goes on my tour over there. Adam saved my life. Adam's dad helped save my life. They killed his dad. I have to get them out. I'm like, Hey, don't take this the wrong way, but there's 10, 000 guys just like right now. Who's whose interpreters are begging for help. And he's like, brother, I need help. So I became attached to Robert.
David Jacobs: We became brothers and I did all I can to, I did all I could to get Adam out and we couldn't get them out of that. We actually had them. We actually had them at [00:54:00] Abbey gate. And all of a sudden my phone's blowing up because we thought we were going to get them through, through the gate. We had the right people there.
David Jacobs: All of a sudden phone blows up. It's like, get them away, get them away from Abbey gate. I actually, I actually had two families there. Like, Hey Robert, get them away from, get them away from the gate. We have Intel that there's something going down there and within, and they, they left, they listened to us.
David Jacobs: And within hours, the bomb exploded where we lost 13 service members. Anyway, it Uh, H kaya, the Harman Karzai, uh, international airport closed after the bombing. And there was some really dark times there cause we didn't know quite what we were going to do after that. Um, but we were able to move Adam and his family, by the way, Adam has four little girls and.
David Jacobs: I'm going to send you a picture of these little girls, and then I'm going to send you a picture without their faces covered. Then I'm going to send you another picture with their faces blurred in case
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