NYT’s Stephens: ‘Biden Administration Absolutely Dropped the Ball on Immigration’; ‘They Were Overreacting to the Cruelty of the Trump Administration’

All right he’s a jius clinical scientist and author of the book false alarm Bjorn laberg he’s a New York Times columnist Brett Stevens and she hosts MSNBC’s the 11th Hour Stephanie Rule and uh next week on the show Fran liebertz oh awesome you’ve all know Harari I love him and thean Bremer I’m gon to have such a good time next week and I had a great time this week let’s get right to the things that people want to know um for Brett what do you think of anti-immigrant backlash in Europe new and news that Sweden will now Sweden is that you uh a little bit I thought you you’re Danish I’m Danish but I live in Sweden it’s complicated not really used to be all one big Viking country didn’t it don’t tell the swedes that why we used to own them you used to own the Danish no the Danes used to own Sweden oh sorry yes and they forgive so why can’t we and news that Sweden will now offer immigrants $34,000 to leave oh to they’re offering Swedish offering immigrants $34,000 to leave wow that’s interesting because we we they come here we give them money to stay that’s a new approach there from Sweden what do you think Brett look I think immigration is great for any society in particular in Europe where they have a declining birth rate they absolutely need immigration for uh labor force for the creativity and Innovation IM migren spring the problem problem is that when you have mass uh unrestricted or illegal immigration that the people haven’t agreed they want it creates populist backlashes and that’s why in Sweden France uh Germany Italy all throughout Europe and of course here in the United States you have this massive backlash the right response is to have uh uh High walls but big gates to have a way in which lots of people can come to this country in an orderly process through a uh through laws that were were were that have been agreed so that people understand that this is good for the country Republicans if you go back to 1980 there’s this amazing debate between George HW Bush and Ronald Reagan they were both running for for the nomination that year in in Texas and they’re both agreeing how important it is to have a liberal open immigration system that brings in talented people from all over the world not just the swedes Mexicans where I grew up uh all over the world because we need them in this country but if you do it in the way that we’ve seen in The Last 5 Years you’re going to get the right-wing populist El liberal backlash that I think is is destructive for the country and a lot of eaten cats all right there was of course a bipartisan immigration bill this year that two parties worked on together that they tried to pass and it was blocked by Donald Trump yeah well Donald Trump was is not in Congress but he did call up his people and say you know I mean that’s the story I mean I’ve heard the other side too that that apparently it was not strong enough and that the what what they’re doing now just through executive order is actually a lot more yeah I mean two things can be true the Biden Administration absolutely dropped the ball on immigration because they were overreacting to the cruelty of the Trump Administration and it is also true right that we need both border security border reform and a way for immigrants who want to come to this country and become American citizens assimilated American citizens to arrive here and it’s crazy that they have to take these insane risks in the Daran Gap and elsewhere instead of going to American consulates and having a fast track to getting into our our country okay um this is for you are uh electric vehicles as environmentally friendly as they are advertised to be oh I was going to ask you about that we were in at me there’s another thing that you I’m glad you’re here to you know Shine the Light on these things that you don’t hear a lot uh but I’ve read what you and know you I’m sure you could say it better than I can but electric vehicles you know electricity doesn’t come from a a ferry in the sky uh it comes you know they are and also the things that we have to mine the the Cobalt and stuff that goes into the batteries they’re it’s not as as oh electric perfect and gas all as it the parody is a lot closer right no so electric vehicles are probably better you have to actually drive them a lot so a lot of people buy them as second Vehicles you know just mostly to Virtual signal and drive down to the uh to the local store or something and then it doesn’t actually work but that’s exactly why I have it yes there you I don’t drive it a lot I want a virt signal and I want to go to the store once in a while but for most of the electric they are actually emitting less CO2 but unfortunately they’re also much heavier because of the batteries than they compar comparative gasoline cars really yeah then why do they go faster because they have much better torque as I understand it so the the point here is they’re about 700 lbs heavier that gives more uh air pollution from the brakes and the tires which is a major part of the uh pollution from uh from from all cars and it makes them more dangerous in traffic so there’s a new paper in in nature a couple years ago that showed that because heavier cars are safer for you but much more unsafe for the people you’re going to hit they will probably end up killing more people but be one question what about the mining lithium mining Cobalt mining all the minerals that go into batteries that’s dirty right dirty very dirty but again when you look at electric cars people almost entirely talk about CO2 too and they should be talking about many many other things as well that’s a problem but again it’s one of the things we know how to fix so again we should you know if we if we if we get better regulation on mining that’s not the main part I’d be worried about it is much more the fact that get if driving just an electric vehicle is virtue signaling what are you signaling to society if you have a cyber truck no I’m not I was question I hard I I did try to be actually virtuous I had the first Prius model not the very first one that came off the line but the first model and the first Tesla and they both sucked I felt I was taking one for the team they both were really terrible it’s true okay um all right speaking of dirty this is for you Stephanie what’s what’s your reaction to the Revelation that New York City’s Co Zone Dr JK Vara was attending sex parties during the pandemic while telling the public to stay at home well it makes the French Laundry look good only in New York kids only in New York I mean God I mean it’s you read this headline and you’re like you have got to be kidding me um but it’s not just in New York I mean this is I mean is everyone is everyone having a freak off I mean yeah I guess that’s the question like if it’s City officials if it’s gy the question is what does it say about all of us if we’re not getting invited well I guess your silence means you are I don’t yes but I’m not a hypocrite because I always thought Co was but you know that’s actually that’s the Central Point here which is why there’s and it helps explain why there’s so much resentment that the people who made these rules that made life intolerable for millions of Americans especially service workers who had to wear these masks all the time were flouting them as if they had no applicability to them and as if they didn’t work because if you actually believed that you were going to get Covid and die at a sex party you would probably not go to the sex party you don’t know how hard up he was but I mean listen if you thought you had a week to live you think about what you might spend that week doing well I wouldn’t be at home with a mask on just saying but you that but just in this one week I mean I read a story about Matt Gates today that he went to a party with I mean we’ve read this story before maybe they have something new underage girls okay then I read about the guy in North Carolina and you know that was just off the charts what this guy was into and then this guy uh it seems like Puff Daddy it’s like is everybody out there does anybody just anymore okay there’s only one there’s one there’s only one question as relate to all of this this there’s one question yeah how do you have 1,000 bottles of baby oil hyphen SL Lube I’m going to tell please have you ever been to Costco because I’m telling you they get you they get you every time just I I once went in stoned to Costco and I I bought like a thousand cocktail weenies and probably still have them okay um what were the panel’s thoughts on Trump saying if he loses the Jewish people will have a if he loses the Jewish people will have a lot to do with it well whenever an autocrat starts blaming the Jews I think it’s a great sign cuz when is that ever turned out badly yes I saw that the he Trump is saying that first of all he says he should he should have gotten 100% of the Jew Jewish vote 100% of the vote that would be very good um and now he’s saying if he loses he’s he’s looking to blame the Jews I don’t like it no it’s it’s he’s he’s a really scary guy and I don’t think he’s an anti-semite but he’s anti-Semitic adjacent and he hangs out with people like Tucker Carlson who who are platforming uh Holocaust deniers and he has uh Yeezy or whatever his name currently is uh you know to to marago uh on on on his home and listen to me anti-Semitism is always the canary uh in in the proverbial uh Coal Mine uh 10 years ago there were about 700 recorded incidents of anti-Semitism in America last year there were over 8,000 a lot of them are coming from the far left but they’re also there on the on on the right too and when people start hating on Jews other people are going to be inevitably the targets essentially democracy is uh is at risk whenever anti-Semitism rears its head and that’s the point I’m thinking about um what if we go to the dog park [Music] after would that be all right you’re in ahead of the UN General Assembly next week week ah is it that time of year again what should be the focus of global development work well so we’ve actually promised even the US have promised to do everything we promised 169 things we should do we should get rid of poverty and hunger and uh you know get good education and fix climate and fix war and fix everything in between of course we’re not actually doing all of that so what I’ve worked on is very much to focus on saying where can you spend an extra dollar and do the very most good and it turns out that there are some incredibly simple cheap things we can do for instance fixing tuberculosis remember I mean we used to die a lot from tuberculosis 100 years ago die a lot of many things 100 years ago even 50 years ago we still die of a lot of many a lot of things way less than we used to you know why because of vaccines partly yes yes that’s not the only reason why we also have refrigeration and sewage treatment and antibiotic so anotic so 1.4 million people die from tuberculosis we could fix it easily maternal and newborn death so uh about 300,000 moms die in child birth each year on the planet 2.3 million kids die uh in their first month on the planet we could save most of these at very very low cost we find for about $3 billion so virtually rounding era for anything else we were talking about we could get women to give birth in facilities and it would mean we could save 166 th000 moms each year and 1.2 million kids it’d be one of the best things the world could do that’s what they should be talking about the UN next okay um uh what did the panel think about Kamala’s interview with Oprah and her admission not only that she has a gun but she would shoot an intruder to her home I think I I applauded it I mean she had my vote and I doubl down uh it was a surprise and uh I think it’s great to have that right so people keep you know you love to look at a candidate and say I know they’re this I assume they’re that so when she’s sort of speaking this surprising truth that oh when you look at a black woman candidate she she must mean X Y and Z when she showed up and said guess not I’m this I thought it was a positive it’s also great to have a journalist ask k a real question and get a substantive answer for be closer to her okay yes but but what interview did Donald Trump do this week he did a Twitter spaces with a crypto bro again you’re voting between two different candidates not perfect and said and said he was bigger than Elvis all right we’ve been down this road but so but what about the substance of it do you think if someone breaks into your house would you shoot him can you is that is that right is that the right thing to do I wouldn’t choose to do that what would you do uh I’m not a gun person I would hope that my husband would shoot that person but um all right final question for you what were your thoughts on the Fed cutting interest rates will that have an economic impact before the election that could help Harris yes yeah mortgage rates already going down anybody who thinks oh my gosh this was so political if it was so political the Fed would have done it six months ago and I would remind you Fed chair J Powell was appointed by Donald Trump he doesn’t choose the rate cut it’s the Fed Governors there are 11 of them he just announces it right tr’s right everything bad happens to him all right thank you everybody I appreciate you coming