The Tucker Carlson Show - Calley & Casey Means: How Big Pharma Keeps You Sick

Whistleblowers Calley and Casey Means expose how Big Pharma co-opted government agencies and the food industry to poison America and keep us sick.

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Casey is the co-founder of Levels, a health technology company with the mission of reversing the world’s metabolic health crisis. She received her BA with honors and MD from Stanford and has previously served on Stanford faculty. She left a successful career in traditional medicine to devote her life to tackling the root cause of why Americans are sick.

Calley is Casey’s brother and is an advocate/whistleblower about the corruption of the food and pharma industries. He’s also the co-founder of Truemed - a company that enables Americans to purchase healthy food and exercise tax-free. https://www.TrueMed.com/

Buy Casey and Calley’s book, “Good Energy” here - https://www.caseymeans.com/goodenergy

Chapters
9 chapters in this episode

1. Who Are Casey and Calley Means?
2. Seed Oils and the Lies of the Food Pyramid
3. Vaccines for Newborns
4. Why Is the Medical Industry Ignoring This?
5. The Spiritual Crisis
6. Ozempic
7. The Birth Control Pill
8. The Rise of Dementia
9. Why Obamacare Is Harmful and How to Fix the Medical Industry

Transcript
Tucker [00:00:00] We want to announce something big that we've been working on for months now. It's a documentary series called Art of the Surge. It's all behind the scenes footage shot by an embedded team that has never before seen footage of what it's actually like to run for president if you're Donald Trump. They were there at the Butler Township assassination attempt, for example, and got footage that no one has ever seen before. And it's amazing. Become a member at TuckerCarlson.com to see this series. Art of the Surge. Meantime, here's our latest episode with Calley and Casey Means. Okay, so I actually think this book is going to I never say this, but I mean it. I think this book is going to have a big effect on the course of the country. And the reason I think that, is because you two are the perfect people to write it. And so I, I never do this, but I just want to start with your bio. So your siblings kissing Carly, your happened to have grown up in the same neighborhood as me in Washington. Like blocks from me. So I know the world that you're from. You're writing about food, nutrition, the regulatory bodies that are poisoning the country. You are a lobbyist, okay? And you are a Stanford educated physician. I just want to go through quickly each one. And starting with you. You're a doctor?

Casey Means [00:01:40] Yes.

Tucker [00:01:42] Tell us the progression of your thinking on this and what it did to your life.

Casey Means [00:01:47] Yeah, absolutely. So trained at Stanford Medical School, then became trained as a head and neck.

Tucker [00:01:52] Surgeon, undergrad, Stanford.

Casey Means [00:01:53] Undergrad, Stanford Medical School at Stanford, then went on to train and had a neck surgery nine years into my post-graduate training.

Tucker [00:01:59] How did you do in medical school and college did?

Casey Means [00:02:02] Well. I was president of my Stanford class, you know, graduating top of my class with honors in medical school and went on to a very competitive surgical subspecialty.

Tucker [00:02:12] So I'm just saying, because normally I'd dismiss credentials out of hand, but these are real credentials. And they they matter I think to your credibility. Okay.

Casey Means [00:02:19] And I did what every good little medical student you know, wants to do, which is climb the ranks of that academic ladder. But, you know, you can.

Tucker [00:02:25] You killed it.

Casey Means [00:02:26] Did well, you know, and I went and I got to the top of that mountain, right. Nine years into my postgraduate training. And I looked around me and I realized that, you know, patients in America are getting destroyed. Children, adults, the elderly. You know, you're you're so distracted in your little surgical subspecialty, focusing on the your nose and throat where I was. And you get distracted, you look around at what's happening. Americans. And our health is getting worse. Every single year. Patients in America are getting much sicker. Every year, more depressed. We're getting infertile. And life expectancy is going down in a country that's spending almost two weeks more than any other country in the world.

Tucker [00:03:01] So before we get into the details of what you did tell us, I mean, why you tell us what you did? So you spend your whole life working toward this goal. You reach the top and then you decide not to do it.

Casey Means [00:03:16] Yeah. You know, I'm in the operating room in my fifth year of my surgical residency, and I'm looking down at a patient in front of me who's on our third revision sinus surgery. And, you know, I know how to diagnose her, I know it, I write the prescriptions, I know how to do the surgery. But what I kind of realized in that moment was like, I have no idea why this patient is actually sick. She has so many other health issues pre-diabetes, arthritis. She's got some brain fog, she's got obesity, and she's got this sinus issue. And in my training, you know, I was never, ever, ever taught to look at the whole patient, to look at how all these things are connected. And I was only taught how to, you know, do the surgery and then bill for it. And I realized that there's a huge, problem in how we're practicing medicine right now, which is what we're ignoring the root causes of why Americans are sick and we're profiting off of patients getting sick and then doing things to them. That's the way the business model of health care works. You know, the most of the way that health care, which is the largest and fastest growing industry in the United States, makes money as you have more patients in the system having more things done to them for longer periods of time. And when I kind of put some of these pieces together and realize that my training had totally, essentially incapacitated me from really understanding why patients are sick and, and how to actually help them thrive. I actually had to walk away from the surgical world, because I realized that I was gonna be making money off of essentially, not spending time helping patients understand their health and actually just profiting off their illness.

Tucker [00:04:34] So my nine years into medical training at Stanford, you gave it up voluntarily.

Casey Means [00:04:38] I on my birthday, on 30th birthday, I walked into the office of my of the chair of the department, and I put down the scalpel and I walked away. And I devoted my life to why are Americans getting sicker every year? Why are 50% of American children dealing with a chronic health issue? This was less than 1% 50 years ago. Why is our health getting destroyed the more that we spend?

Tucker [00:05:01] So that's why did they say, when you walk into your colleagues in Stanford and say, I'm giving it up at 30.

Casey Means [00:05:09] You know, it wasn't really a conversation. You know, I knew that I couldn't cut into one more person until I understood why Americans are getting sicker every single year. I think that the unfortunate thing is that doctors don't really understand, because every level of our education is systematically focused on blinding us from thinking about root causes. We are we have over 100 medical and surgical subspecialties right now, and you know, how you make money in the American health care system is you take a patient with ten different issues and you send them to ten different specialists, put them on ten different meds, maybe eventually have ten different surgeries. You never actually are taught how to put the pieces together. Look at the whole body as a system, which of course it is. And part of this is because you know, who are the people underwriting our medical education? It's the pharmaceutical companies. You know, we are we are taught how to be very algorithmic and robotic and how we look at patients. And so ultimately, I left the surgical world and I went down the rabbit hole of asking, why? Why are we getting sicker?

Tucker [00:06:07] It's just such a radical move. Yeah. To do something like that.

Casey Means [00:06:11] Yeah. I mean.

Tucker [00:06:12] Your whole life you're working toward a goal, and then you give it up. Yeah. After nine years.

Casey Means [00:06:17] Yeah. You know, this is the thing that was I understood and that I am working and we are spending our lives to evangelize this book. Good energy. Is that the reasons why Americans are getting sick, sicker every year are very simple. Americans want to be healthy. Americans do not want to die early. They do not want to see their kids. With all these chronic health issues like autism and food allergies and obesity and pre-diabetes, and 40% of teens with mental health issues, no one wants this. But the system is rigged against the American patient to create diseases and then profit off of them. This is happening across almost every level of our major industries, from processed food to tech to pharma. And so really, what what Americans need to understand is that these trends can stop immediately. We need to understand why we're sick, which is our primarily our toxic food system, and the ways that systematically, several industries are profiting off of our addiction and illness. And if we can understand that and create very simple, top down and bottom up strategies to address it, Americans will become rapidly healthier. And so as a physician, you know, I took an oath to do no harm. And I took an oath to help patients thrive. And so the way that we can do that is by helping to understand the levers of, of, of corruption that are essentially keeping us sick, I guess.

Tucker [00:07:39] Reason I'm pressing you, and you're the sort of person I mean, this is a company clearance. I want to talk about yourself, which is great. But I think it's relevant because it speaks to the intensity of your commitment and to your sincerity. So you're giving up the prize. You're giving up the money because you really believe this? Yes. And I think it's I just want to establish that at the outset.

Casey Means [00:07:58] Thank you.

Tucker [00:07:59] We say anything more. So you're, her brother? You're very close. I happen to know that. And. And you're obviously proud of your sister president, a class at Stanford, the kind of thing like. Oh, my sister's at Stanford. She's Stanford medical school. She decides not to practice surgery. The most impressive of all specialties. What's your reaction to that?

Casey Means [00:08:17] I called her and said she was a complete idiot, you know? I mean, we were raised in Washington, D.C., right next to you. Kind of condition to climb up the ladder. Of course. I went to Stanford. I went to Harvard Business School. You know, that was what life is about. Just kind of collecting those credentials. Casey, you know, research at the NIH, as we talked about top of her Stanford med school class, to me, that was that was it. And truly a new head on this. She had. No, I mean, this is this is her life. This was her identity. This is everything to her. And she bravely stepped away with no plan, just from a moral obligation. And I thought she was a complete idiot. And what I know now and what I've been radicalized on, is she has convinced me that this is the most important issue in the country. It's an issue of corruption, that starts at Stanford med school being 50% funded by pharma and not, training doctors on one nutrition class. Stanford med school, Harvard med School. 90% of med schools don't offer or require one nutrition class. Doctors simply aren't learning why people are getting sick, which would all assume they do 80% of the course loads. In pharmacology, it's on how to take people that are getting sicker and sicker and manage those conditions, not to cure them. And that's a huge problem, because that dynamic of the largest industry in the country is destroying human capital.

Tucker [00:09:34] So, as your sister is on one end of the equation, you're on the other. So you both have, you know, you're from a, community of strivers that's with different. Yeah, exactly. And, merit badge gatherers. And you've gotten two of the greatest merit badges ever, right? HBS, Stanford Medical School. But you're all of a sudden finding yourself in Washington. Can you just explain your background a little bit?

Calley Means [00:09:56] Yeah. So, just in case it was a bit smarter than me on the biology route, I wanted to be contributing to politics, from an early age, and went to Stanford to to go back into politics. I studied economics, political science, went straight back to campaigns after school. What I learned quickly is that that in campaigns over, you work for the biggest spenders in D.C.. And I found myself across the, the desk from food industry and the farm industry. The farm industry spends five times more in DC than the oil industry. By far the biggest spender. Bipartisan. You're working for pharma, but starting with food. I learned early on that the food industry, this is my contract. The food industry, and the processed food industry was created by the cigaret industry. And I think this is very telling. It's something I learned. So in the 1990s, the two largest food companies in the world were R.J. Reynolds and, Philip Morris. What happened is when the Surgeon General, way too late in the 1980s, said cigarets were maybe problematic. These were some of the largest companies in the world with the largest cash piles of any company in the world. So they what they did is they used their cash piles to buy food companies. You know, we think about the 80s as the Wall Street era M&A, you know, a lot of deals. The two biggest M&A deals up until 1990 and world history were cigaret companies buying food companies. So you had in the 90s, these two cigaret companies very strategically do two things. They shifted their thousands of. Tits, who were experts at making cigarets addictive to the food department. So we had the rise of ultra processed food, where our food now is a science experiment. The second thing they did is they shifted their lobbying to the cigaret industry, of course, was the biggest, you know, lobbying spenders and very had a good playbook. They shifted their playbook on lobbying and rigging institutions of trust to food. So they created the food pyramid. So the cigaret industry, through the food and companies they bought, paid off the FDA, the USDA, Harvard to create report saying sugar doesn't cause obesity. And they lobbied for the food pyramid in the 1990s. We all remember which said, you know, animal based fats are bad, carbs are good. Remember, carbs and sugar were basically the base of the pyramid. So the American diet, because of that, because we trust our medical institutions would say no. We shifted our diet significantly to ultra processed food. It was very intentional. The food pyramid that was a ultra processed food marketing document that carbs, refined sugar was fine and that shifted. And you look at dietary patterns today, kids, a child diet is 70% ultra processed food. Now, what does that mean, right? Those are literally foods invented by the cigaret industry to addict kids. You know, obviously we've got sugar, but there's thousands of different ingredients and science concoctions that scientists work in a lab to make it more palatable, to make it more addictive. So food consumption, calorie consumption has skyrocketed. And the byproduct of these toxic ingredients that the cigaret industry I watch and help with this bought off the USDA. Bought off the FDA is they wreak havoc among ourselves. The foundation of our diet is ingredients that we aren't biologically made eat that didn't exist 100 years ago. In the foundation of our diet is three things. When you look at any label, it's added sugar. Processed sugar, which basically didn't exist 100 years ago, is just from natural sources. Ultra processed grains, which were invented 100 years ago. The processing tapes, the fiber off. They're basically hidden sugars devoid of nutritional value and seed oils. Seed oils are the top source of American calories, and this is actually the oil seed oil.

Tucker [00:13:24] Top source of American.

Calley Means [00:13:25] Soybean oil canola oil. This is the baseline of American Calories right now. And these seed oils were actually created by John D Rockefeller as a byproduct of oil production. It's basically engine lubricant. And the Rockefeller and those aligned with them actually lobbied to have this, suitable for human consumption. That's how cellulose came into the American diet. They're much cheaper, but they're highly inflammatory and just by definition, just at the highest level. These ingredients and all the chemicals we can't name that are in ultra processed food are not natural greens. There are bodies are made to handle. So there's, as we talk about in good energy, this produces a lot of side effects to ourselves. The food industry isn't trying to kill Americans. They're trying to make food cheap and addictive. And what I learned, you know, in the morning, meeting with the food companies, trying to lobby and influence, the USDA, being the lifeblood of nutrition research, paying off, you know, nutrition researchers at Harvard and Stanford as a junior employee. Shocked by that.

Tucker [00:14:26] So you saw that? Oh, oh.

Calley Means [00:14:28] My first week, you know, as working for these industries. It was a list of top professors, and, the food industry pays 11 times more for foundational nutrition research than the NIH. You go to any nutrition school in the country, the lifeblood of their school. They'll they'll proudly admit this is from the processed food industry. In the past two years, there has been 50,000 peer reviewed research studies on nutrition. We're the only animal that has peer reviewed nutrition studies, and we're the only animals that are systematically obese, diabetic, and being crippled by metabolic dysfunction. We're born with an innate sense of sense of knowing what's right for us. The problem very strategically, and this is well known among the industry, is that ultra processed food does because they're able to do this science experiment. Their food it hijacks are biology. It hijacks our society. So signals, you know, high fructose corn sirup fructose. It makes us want to eat more. Because in the wild, you know, when you see a bunch of fruit out there, you know, you're well advised to eat it. You know, historically, we we've basically rigged our biology to hijack our signals that, you know, make us satiated. So that's what ultra processed food does. So that's the food industry, okay? The food industry actually, with their own set interests, want to make food addictive and cheaper. It kind of makes sense. The criminal devil's bargain is that it's highly tied to the health care industry and his case. He said. The fastest growing industry in America right now isn't I. It's not tech, it's health care. It's the largest and fastest growing industry. And just as a statement of economic fact, the best thing for that industry is a child getting sick. When a child gets sick or any American gets sick with a chronic condition with. Diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, heart disease, whatever. They go on a lifetime medication, they go on the metformin, they go on the stand, they have lifetime treatments and they keep racked up more co-morbidities. If you are diabetic, you have an average of four other comorbidities. So you keep racking up, but you don't die. You just suffer. You inevitably get infertility, depression, you start racking them up. So that's very good for the medical system to have these chronic conditions that need to be managed. Just from a pure economic standpoint, that's how the system set up. That's all happening largely because of our food system and other metabolic habits we can talk about, but largely because of our rise of ultra processed food that's really, really hacking our cells and really hijacking our cells. The criminal part, the devil's bargain, is that the health care system you'd expect to be speaking out about why we're getting so sick, but they're not only silent on the reasons they're not to train Casey. The first day of Stanford med school that were basically taken as a given, that people are lazy and going to get sick, we're just going to profit from treating them that they're silent and they're complicit. Working for Coke I helped steer money to the American Coca-Cola. Yeah, working for Coca-Cola. They actually pay money to the American Diabetes Association. They actually pay money to the American Academy of Pediatrics. If there's one thing, the American Diabetes Association, which sets the standard of care for diabetes management doing, they should be saying, we're not going to accept money from coke, which is diabetes water. They accept money from coke. So there's that's.

Tucker [00:17:44] Like Tyson Chicken subsidizing Peta, right. You know, it doesn't make any sense.

Calley Means [00:17:50] It doesn't make sense.

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Casey Means [00:19:21] Absolutely. So the word I used earlier, destroyed is not hyperbolic in any way, shape or form. 74% of American adults now are overweight or obese. Close to 50% of children are overweight or obese. 120 years ago, when someone was obese, there were case reports written about it. Literally, there were people in the circus. If if you had.

Tucker [00:19:42] Obese sideshow fat. Yeah, that's so unusual.

Casey Means [00:19:44] It was so unusual. It is now 74% of our country. 77% of young adults are unfit to serve in the military because of these issues, like obesity. Now let's talk about diabetes 50%. A full 50% of American adults have prediabetes or type two diabetes, which is a fundamental issue in our country. Half the country, Tucker, have prediabetes or type two diabetes, and 30% of teens now have prediabetes. This was a condition that no pediatrician would have seen in their lifetime. 50 years ago, 1% of Americans in 1950s in 1950 had type two diabetes. We have 18% of teens with fatty liver disease, a disease that used to be in late stage alcoholics. Cancer rates are skyrocketing in the young and the elderly. Young adult cancers are up 79%, and this is the first year in American history we're estimated to have over 2 million cases of cancer. 25% of American women are on an antidepressant medication, 40% of 18 year olds have a mental health diagnosis. We have the highest infant and maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world. Despite sending two X on infant maternal care than any other country. So you have a higher risk of dying as a woman giving birth in America than any other developed country in the world. Autism rates in kids are 1 in 36 nationally. This was 1 in 1500 in the year 2000, and the screening has not changed in California, where I live.

Tucker [00:21:13] And I just want to linger on that. And the screening has not. In 20 years, the definition hasn't changed.

Casey Means [00:21:19] No one in the. Two from 1 in 1500 in California, 1 in 36 right now. It was 1 in 1500. In California, it's one inch 22. One of the worst states in the country for autism. So this is just a matter of how we and all of these conditions, I mean, and I could go on and on. Autoimmune diseases, infertility is at peak rates. I mean, I don't know how this is not front page news. Infertility is going up 1% per year. Sperm counts are going down 1% per year since the 1970s. Sperm counts are down.

Tucker [00:21:54] Continuing to drop.

Casey Means [00:21:55] Continuing to drop....

Calley Means [00:21:56] At an increasing rate. Our bodies are crying out for.

Casey Means [00:21:58] 26% of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome. Now, the thing that people need to understand is that all of these conditions are caused or driven by the exact same thing, which is metabolic dysfunction. This core foundational issue of how our body on the cellular level function, which is driven by our toxic food system and our toxic environment, these subtle, insidious forces that are creating slow, progressive illness, starting now in fetal life that allow patients to be profitable and on the farm, a treadmill for their entire lives. They make a sick, but they don't kill us, and then we are drugged for life. You look at what's happening in children. A child born in a hospital in the United States today, within an hours of coming from source into this, you know, into this body. The first thing that happens to them is pharmaceutical intervention without really asking, you know, I mean, there was barely informed consent about this. That child's eyes are smeared with your vitamins and ointment, and they're given a hepatitis B vaccine in their first day of life. And what are these two things for? I mean, I mention this because it's just emblematic of how we were put on the farm, a treadmill from the moment we are born in this country, for reasons that are very strange. The erythromycin ointment is to prevent infections of the eye, which we test women for chlamydia. So why would every baby United States need this ointment if the mom doesn't have it? And the happy vaccine is for hepatitis B, which is a sexually transmitted disease and IV drug user disease, of course, which babies are not going to be exposed to? And yet every single baby in America is getting the intervention. So from the literally the day we are born.

Tucker [00:23:41] Why? I mean, why not test the pregnant mother for them? They do.

Casey Means [00:23:44] Okay, so they give it to the women who, even if they have tested negative, which.

Tucker [00:23:48] Would be the overwhelming majority.

Casey Means [00:23:50] Absolutely.

Tucker [00:23:51] So I don't understand, why would you treat a child on his first day of life for illnesses? You know for a fact he doesn't have it isn't going to get.

Calley Means [00:24:00] So this is what I saw working for pharma. So let's let's get out of the passion of this debate and just talk about the economic incentives. Let's take the happy, okay. There's actually no dynamic in American capitalism like the vaccine schedule, because the second you get something on that schedule, the government's paying hundreds of billions of dollars for a product that's been mandated for every single American living. So just for my I'm just speaking again, not let's not even get into the efficacy of vaccine. We're talking about an economy, talking math, working with the pharma industry. It's a huge economic imperative to get more and more vaccines on the schedule. You couldn't watch the Olympics this past couple weeks ago without seeing just ad after ad for actually new vaccines. This is big business, right? Hundreds of billions of dollars. And again, once you get it approved, what happens? It's paid for forever going. And you have the most trusted institutions in the world calling anyone a war criminal for even asking a question about it. So this is well known by the industry.

Tucker [00:25:02] And can I just say so we, this will appear on all kinds of different social media platforms, but maybe the biggest is YouTube owned by Google. And this they will censor this. They will demonetize this video. Just so far you have not attacked a vaccine. No. But you are, showing evidence of some skepticism of their efficacy or the need for them. And YouTube will demonetize this video for what you just said. If you're a Stanford educated physician, but YouTube has decided you're not....

Calley Means [00:25:31] And I would do this. And I think this is a such an important conversation because I'd ask everyone listening if they can still listen to this is why is YouTube? Why is the media, by the way, YouTube and the media are heavily funded by pharma. Farm is the number one funder of mainstream news media and one of the largest funders. Just demonstrably, just factually, it's just a fact for YouTube ads. You can't watch a YouTube video without saying format. And so just like that, their funding and have a direct line. As we talked about this last time working for these industries, we paid tech companies. We paid media companies not even to influence consumers, but to have a direct line to them. It's part of the public affairs strategy, right? We know that if we can fund a large part of YouTube's ad budget, we have a direct line of communication. Ation to those companies. And then we have studies from Harvard that we've paid for to. Saying that it's anti-science to say anything that questions our products, which we can jam down the throats of the people that we now have a direct line of communication.

Tucker [00:26:28] This direct line is not to consumers. That's of lesser concern. The direct line is to the media companies. So you can affect censorship.

Calley Means [00:26:36] Just again, as an economic fact, you know, 80% of an age, grants have a conflict of interest. There's very little conflict of interest rules for academic studies. So the game is clear. You fund the academic studies and you have the seal of Harvard, the seal of the NIH, you know, saying that these products, these pharmaceutical products are perfect, and then you use those studies to influence the tech companies and the media companies that you've also paid and have a direct line of communication that there's misinformation. Let's get back to that. B but I just want to make one macro point. It's the selective outrage. Why are we so concerned about talking about vaccines? Why is it such an impetus from our trusted institutions that you are a horrible parent? If you even ask a question about 72 shots to your kids? And why isn't that that level of urgency around child nutrition?

Tucker [00:27:26] What childhood chronic disease.

Calley Means [00:27:27] Or childhood chronic disease? Why is it, oh, we can't possibly expect parents not to load their kids with a bunch of sugar and all these toxic greens. And by the way, those people can't afford whole food. It's it's actually racist in class. As Stephen suggests, people should be able to afford organic food. We we can't possibly expect parents, you know, to have nontoxic food. But oh, when it comes to pharmaceutical interventions, there's no price to high. And if you don't follow it to a tee, you're a terrible person. Why is it when we have nine out of ten killers, Americans are preventable lifestyle conditions when 95% of medical costs go towards reversible chronic conditions that the case is talking about, why isn't there that urgency of the medical community educating parents about why people are getting sick, and really the only vitriol, the only thing that's being censored, the only thing that's being enforced in the top down, is absolute adherence to pharmaceutical products. Why? During Covid, which was a metabolic condition, you know, this was a this was a disease that attacked weak immune systems. This was a disease that only killed, people that were overweight or metabolic is functional. Americans died at a much higher rate than European or Asian countries. Why wasn't there the same emphasis on hardening up our immune systems and attacking the root cause of that, and it was all the time was running a pharmaceutical solution. This doesn't actually make sense, but it gets to the money. So working for the pharma companies, there's just nothing better than getting on the vaccine schedule. And that should not be a controversial comment, right? If you have a list of drugs that are mandated for every single American to pay for that government, you want to go on that schedule. So I.

Tucker [00:29:07] Don't comment. It's it's not allowed. It's a verboten comment. You're not allowed to say that they will demonetize this video for what you just said.

Calley Means [00:29:17] And I would ask, what does that tell you? I would ask the media companies and ask YouTube to have the same passion for child of chronic disease and nutrition as they do for enforcing unanimity on pharmaceutical injections for kids.

Tucker [00:29:33] So just I Amen. I agree more. It's infuriating. I it's worse than that. It's evil. again video just demonetized. Worth it. But let me ask you to the specifics of the. Yeah. The shot. Yeah. That, I'm sure all my children had it. And even knowing we had.

Casey Means [00:29:51] It at it, you had it.

Tucker [00:29:52] To. What, is there a I mean, just take the other side for a second. Yeah. Like, is there a reason that we would do this?

Calley Means [00:30:00] I push, I and I welcome any doctored responses. I pushed leading medical experts on this. I'm like, okay, so a child born, let's just take the side. The child's born happy is spread by two routes sexually transmitted disease or intravenous needles. So my one day old isn't going to be having sex or doing heroin right away. So what's the purpose of getting this on the schedule in the first day of life? The first hours of life. And if you push and I welcome anyone to do this with their doctor, you get to two things. You get to the American patients are too stupid to remember, so we need to do it right away. That's literally like what they say. And then my doctor told me that the, child at daycare could trip over a needle that has hepatitis B on it. That's literally what they get to that a needle could be on the playground. That somebody just did heroin or something. Throw the needle down. It has hepatitis B blood on it. I asked the doctor, has there ever been in human history a case of hepatitis B being transferred that way? They said no, it's only through intravenous needles and sex. So you actually to just to steal man this and again welcome any to respond. There's not actually a scenario absent of intravenous needles or sex that a person gets hepatitis B. There is not a reason for this to be given. But it happened and I saw this. It was a huge investment for this vaccine. It was a huge, huge economic problem. And this shouldn't be controversial. Think about being at these drug companies. You want the drug given out when you've made the investment. So they're able to work with their buddies at the FDA. They're you able to use the studies. They're able to. There's this constant feeling in the medical community. The American people are too stupid to ask a question, are too stupid to remember to take these important drugs. So there's this argument and momentum to get on the scheduled day one. But there's no there's not actually a medical.

Tucker [00:31:47] And so we haven't even discussed. I mean, I think you have proven the point that there's no good reason. The flip side is, are there good reasons not to take it? So let me just ask you, as a physician and a woman of childbearing age, what's your view?

Casey Means [00:32:03] I mean, there's not a single medication that exists that doesn't have side effects. And where there's not some, you know, range of things that can happen when you inject something in the body. And for the happy vaccine in particular, I mean, the two of the handful of inactive ingredients are formaldehyde and aluminum, which is a neurotoxin. And of course, they'll say like over the body weight of the baby, it's negligible, whatever. But when you're getting several shots at one time, these things make a difference. You know, our bodies are overwhelmed right now with the amount of toxic inputs that are going in, and they're breaking our bodies. Right. And so, you know, if it's not necessary for the vast majority of kids to have this at birth, and you could give it to them when they reach teenage years, right? And they're much bigger and their bodies can handle more of these, you know, these chemicals and, and toxins that are in these shots. Then you have to ask yourself, why are we exposing the whole population to potential risk that any pharmaceutical medication will have a risk of side effects if it's not necessary? And that's a question that I think every parent should be able to to ask, you know, but, you know, like Carly talks about, you follow the money. It's it's it's pretty sinister. I mean, you look at the American kind of pediatrics and like who are their main funders? Me Johnson who makes formula the company that makes influenza vaccines. Abbott Nutrition, which makes formula. You know, these people are funding the organization that picks cherry picks the research to make our pediatric guidelines. Okay. So there's hundreds of thousands of papers that are published every year about the importance of nutrition and exercise and sleep and avoiding pesticides and avoiding plastics in our foods. Just tens of thousands of papers every single year. But what goes into the guidelines, which are created by professional organizations like the American Diabetes Association, the American Heart of Pediatrics, who are funded by things like processed food companies, pharmaceutical companies. And then, of course, in the case of the Ada, people like Coca-Cola and Cadbury. So, you know, people will always say.

Tucker [00:33:55] Cadbury, the chocolate.

Calley Means [00:33:58] Funded millions. Funded billions for the American Diabetes Association.

Tucker [00:34:01] Come on.

Casey Means [00:34:02] Absolutely. This is this is just-

Tucker [00:34:04] I just want to say, because I don't want to ever sound judgy or pretend that I have good eating habits because demonstrably I don't. They make great chocolate bar. They've dough, they're awesome. But but.

Casey Means [00:34:14] They should be probably influencing our diabetes guidelines, right? I mean, is that.

Tucker [00:34:17] You're sure that's true?

Casey Means [00:34:18] I am, I am certain that is true. We could. We could.

Calley Means [00:34:20] All. Anheuser-Busch shouldn't be funding, you know, Alcoholics Anonymous. It's just like. It's just like, I don't. These companies should.

Tucker [00:34:25] Exist.

Casey Means [00:34:26] But you know what? We we we follow this health cult of evidence based medicine, right? Which is that we follow the guidelines. But the guidelines cherry pick research from the canon of scientific literature is out there. Which is why when I was in medical school, there were just huge swaths of the science that I wasn't seeing.

Tucker [00:34:43] But so can I ask you a very fundamental question why would we follow the guidelines rather than the outcomes?

Casey Means [00:34:49] It's a great question.

Tucker [00:34:50] So you just said at the five minutes ago, you were outlining this terrifying and sad and catastrophic series of stats describing the total collapse of public health. That's right. And so who cares what the guidelines are? Doesn't anyone just sort of zoom out for a second and be like, all these kids have diabetes, which leads to dementia, like this? Is it this not working right? No one say that.

Casey Means [00:35:15] Well, that's I mean, the question it's not working is the question I would basically put in front of every doctor in America, like if you're not looking around you and just scratching your head and saying, what the hell is going on, then you are profiting off of this crisis, you know? And I want every single the most dangerous thing you can do in America right now, obviously, is ask the question why? So, you know, I understand.

Tucker [00:35:33] About.

Casey Means [00:35:33] Anything, about anything. But, you know, this is just a point to kind of answer your question about why is this happening? Why aren't we following outcomes? It's institutionalized to not actually focus on. Outcomes because the business model of the health care system is volume, it's how many patients can you see, not what their outcomes are. We are paid for volume, not outcomes.

Tucker [00:35:56] Now, should you see that as a surgeon?

Casey Means [00:35:58] I'm going. Yeah. So absolutely I mean it's it's it's how many chart notes can you write. And Bill every day. That's why doctors are seeing 30 to 40 patients a day with 15 different diagnoses for each one. Obviously you can't help that patient thrive and get healthier. All you can do is write the prescription, because we are paid for volume. And the actual mantra of all.

Tucker [00:36:18] Doctors must.

Casey Means [00:36:18] Know that all doctors know. The unofficial mantra of private practice medicine is you eat what you kill, which means you get paid. You eat for how much volume you can do, how many surgeries you can sell, how many people you can get through in and out of your office. Now, back in, when Obamacare was coming about, they were, you know, which was really an utter failure. There was lip service that was paid to this idea of value based care. Okay. Which sounds great on paper, right? So value is good outcomes over lower cost. This sounds great. We'll get paid more as doctors if we have better outcomes over lower cost. What is the highest value intervention you can do for a patient? Get them to eat healthy. Doesn't cost a lot. Has incredible outcomes universally right? Going into sleep, going into exercise, we would have moved towards that. But even that was corrupted by corporate interests because how the doctor had to report on quality was through these metrics called MIPs, basically, you know, merit based incentive, little criteria. And they were most of them were based on how many of their patients were medicated. So instead of a doctor having to report quality, as I have a patient who got better, who got healthier, which.

Calley Means [00:37:23] We expect.

Casey Means [00:37:23] It was how much of the patient population was on long term medication. So the actual good outcome was defined by medication adherence in a practice rather than is the patient reverse of their disease. Every disease I so it.

Tucker [00:37:38] Wasn't the-

Casey Means [00:37:39] Actual it wasn't the outcome. The outcome ended up being how many of the patients took meds. So even with lip service to good outcomes, it's not a healthier cell. It's a medicated patient. Those are two different things. We did not learn that in medical.

Tucker [00:37:51] What can I ask you? I mean, again, I don't want to get too personal, but like, what about the doctors that you were trained with or served under? Who trained you? I'm sure a lot of them are good people. I know all the smart. Yes. Like the things that you're describing would be pretty easy for anyone with an IQ over 80 to notice, right? They not notice this. Like what is that?

Casey Means [00:38:14] There's several aspects to it. You know, I think that because med school is funded by far by you know, when I was at Stanford Medical School, we got a $3 million grant from Pfizer to revise our curriculum with. And you can look up the articles from this time. It was around 2011 that the the grant was with no strings attached. They had no control over what the curriculum developed was going to be. But, you know, if you're accepting $3 million from Pfizer, of course it's going to have an influence on what we're learning.

Calley Means [00:38:40] And the dean received consulting payments as well, actually. Yeah. The the dean during her time, Philip Pizzo was a pain specialist. Pfizer was the one of the largest opioid makers. And, he received direct consulting payments from opioid makers. And that year that they received that Pfizer grant, he was appointed, which I was actually involved with, was working for pharma at the time to an NIH panel to make opioid, guidance with the with the burgeoning crisis. He selected that panel. How can you have a more prestigious person, the dean of Stanford med School, nine out of the 19 people he selected were directly paid for with consulting payments from opioid companies. And that panel in 2000, in 2012 recommended more relaxed opioid standards and said that the idea of addictiveness was overblown and led to an increase of the curve in opioid deaths. And, you know, we're talking a lot about the opioid crisis right now. J.D. Vance talking about it. It's just, you know, destroying Appalachia and large parts of American America. What people don't, I think, realize was that the majority of opioid overdose deaths started with illegal prescription. That's right. So that's how it works. So I was actually I think.

Tucker [00:39:50] It's sort of hard to hear that. And not again, one doesn't want to be judgmental. However, that seems like criminal behavior to me. Here's something you may not have known. Back in 2015, the Congress of the United States repealed something called the Country of Origin Labeling Act. Now, why is this relevant to you? Well, it means, among other things, that when you buy beef at the supermarket that says made in the USA, it may not actually be. In fact, it could be likely is from a foreign country. It means that repackaging foreign meat can be enough to get the made in USA designation. It's a lie. It's an absolute lie. Most people don't even know what's happening. So how can you be sure that the meat you're eating is from the United States and has been raised with the highest quality standards, and is the tastiest. It's truly made here. Well, it's simple. You can go to our friends at Meriwether Farms. Meriwether Farms is an American small business. It's based in Riverton, Wyoming. We know the people who run it, and they're great people and they have great meat. They shipped the highest quality meat, raised free from growth hormones and antibiotics directly to your doorstep. It's delicious. We eat it a lot, including at this table. These are Americans. These are American made products. And because you're cutting out the grocery store middlemen, their prices are actually cheaper, 10 to 30% cheaper for the best meat. They are the real deal. Again, we eat that meat at this table from Riverton, Wyoming. They're the best. Merriweather farms.com. Use the discount code Tucker and you get an extra 10% off again. That's Merriweather Farms MDR. I ate Ear farms.com/tucker. It's worth it.

Casey Means [00:41:29] You know, for the doctors all the education is just targeted towards having you just have one hammer. Right. You have one hammer which is your prescription pad in your surgery. You don't have any other tools in your toolbox, right? Because from the very beginning, from the very way that we're even taught about the body, it has been corrupted, right? It has been. It's rotten. It's rotten the way that we're it's wrong biologically how we're thinking about the body. But you even look at the med school, you can you tell.

Tucker [00:41:52] Us really quick how.

Casey Means [00:41:53] Well, in the sense that we don't learn anything, they're not 80% medical, so don't have a single class on nutrition. And yet food is the cause of nine out of ten leading causes of death in the United States.

Tucker [00:42:02] So you were saying, but even to zoom out a little further, you were saying at breakfast, you put it so well, of course, I can't remember because you were saying that medical education disconnects the body into its components, but doesn't address it as a, as a connected thing.

Casey Means [00:42:15] So this is the point that's going to potentially create insolvency in our economy and ruin us as a species. Is this exact point. It's it's.

Tucker [00:42:23] Not that the stakes are high.

Casey Means [00:42:25] Is that we have convinced people and doctors at the body is 100 separate parts. The body is one system, one unified system. Obviously something happening your toe can affect everywhere else in the body. And yet we have essentially brainwashed people and doctors to believe that specialization is king, right? What is the most prestigious doctor? Right. It's someone who is hyper sub specialized. We basically diminish the value of primary care in pediatrics, these general specialties. Yet someone who's a neuropathologist is like at the peak of those, it's literally someone who did my residency. So five years have had a neck surgery residency and then two, two additional years just focusing on two square inches of the ear to focus on the ear, basically, and do surgery of the ear. That is the dean of Stanford right now, the dean of Stanford Medical School is a neurobiologist. So the more specialized you get, the more prestigious you get. And what this does is it creates a system in which we actually start to see the body as 100 different, separate parts, and we lose sight of how all of these things are connected. We lose sight of the research that's telling us how all these diseases are connected, that the diabetes that's happening all your body, all of your body. Actually, we know that type two diabetes greatly increases our risk for hearing loss. But a neurologist doesn't really want to think about that. They want to operate on the ear. Right. And so you lose sight of the connections and you get a patient in 15 different specialist office. So many Americans are going through this right now where you go to the primary care doctor with ten issues and you end up with ten different referrals to different specialists, and no one has any education, time or financial incentive to think about how all those diseases are related. So what you do is you have specialists reacting to the same, the symptoms happening in different parts of the body, rather than anyone understanding how to think about how it's all connected, which when you go down that road, when you start asking why, you realized it is extremely, extremely simple, that all aspects of modern American society are rigged against the American patient to get us, you know, addicted to food, allegiant to pharma, and just spending ten hours a day on our phones addicted. And now we are all sick, our bodies are breaking, and it's leading to all these organs, specific symptoms that are related to a very simple root cause.

Tucker [00:44:41] Can I press you just a tiny bit?

Casey Means [00:44:44] Sure.

Tucker [00:44:44] I hate this, I know this. Why did you come to that conclusion and none of your colleagues did? I just I think it's really important. Yeah. To understand why certain people see obvious truths while everyone else is, including smart people are blinded to them. What about you allowed you to connect these pretty obvious dots?

Casey Means [00:45:04] Parenting.

Tucker [00:45:05] How? What did your parents do?

Casey Means [00:45:06] My parents, our parents focused on incentives. Incentives are everything. Incentives are why Americans are sick right now. If we change the incentives, we'd get healthy in two years. Our country would be the most competitive country in the world. My parents incentive in our family was to ask questions, not to have any stars or marks or anything, you know? So what was celebrated in our family was sitting down at the at the dinner table in D.C. and asking questions and poking at ideas. We were celebrated for thinking about things in a bigger picture. That is not. You talked about this with Tim Dillon on your recent podcast, The Boomers. You know, they just want the stars for their kids, you know, to just to get all these little badges. But that was not what was celebrated. My father.

Calley Means [00:45:49] We developed our own compulsion to climb up the ladder, but it was always instilled like, you never.

Casey Means [00:45:56] Never think of yourself.

Calley Means [00:45:57] Actually, like our parents were that happy with rising up. And it was like, why are we being good? People ask. And that was really instilled in us.

Tucker [00:46:04] Did they have a like a moral or explicit moral center? Like this is right.

Casey Means [00:46:08] I think they were very spiritual people. Yeah. We were raised with spirituality. We were reading, you know, sacred texts and the Bible and Rumi and and Rand and all these different things from a young age, discussing it at the dinner table, thinking about philosophy. And so that was what was celebrated.

Tucker [00:46:25] They were not conformists.

Casey Means [00:46:27] When I quit my surgical residency in my fifth and final year, after hundreds of thousands of dollars, yeah. My education, my parents threw me a party. They were asking where I am.

Calley Means [00:46:37] They came and no apparent would do that.

Casey Means [00:46:39] No parent, they they were and they never told me to quit. Hundreds of.

Calley Means [00:46:42] Thousands of.

Casey Means [00:46:43] Solutely. They were so proud of me for coming to my own conclusions and seeing it. And I there's a lot of.

Tucker [00:46:50] Even though so the incentive for parents in recent DC, where I raised my children is to tell people in your neighborhood, your friends, oh yeah, that you have a daughter who's a Stanford.

Casey Means [00:46:59] They never pushed us to go to Stanford. They never pushed us to even they never. I never once ever in our entire childhood, they said, you need to go to your college counseling meeting ever, ever. They were about having fun and thinking we were, you know, they were they were older parents, too. You know, my parents were in their 40s when they had us. They lived life. They were not living through us. They were spiritually grounded. They're not afraid of death. You know, they don't they aren't driven by the materialism that just makes you rack up a wall full of, you know, Awards. It was about.

Tucker [00:47:30] You're making me emotional. Yeah.

Casey Means [00:47:32] So that is the reason. That is the reason. And and I mean, there's privilege involved in it too. Of course. Like, we had financial backstop. You know, a lot of my friends going to medicine, they were supporting their families. Right. And I have so much respect for that. And the fact that people's options are limited. But doctors are in a trap. You know, it's $500,000 of education. You have this guaranteed salary, and all you have to do is drink the Kool-Aid. All you have to do is stay heads down and not ask questions, not ask why. And you can really feel good about your work, right? People are sick as hell in this country, and we do need people to be doing heart surgery or else people will die. But the the thing that is so imperative for people to understand is that the reasons we're having surgery, the reasons why we're getting sick, the reasons why American competitiveness is plummeting, the reasons why our kids are chronically ill. Half of the kids in America are chronically ill, are all from preventable issues. So if you're a doctor who's not spending any time on focusing on that, then unfortunately, for better or worse, you are bankrolling on the problem.

Calley Means [00:48:36] Do you remember when you.

Tucker [00:48:37] I honestly think you're going to change the world. I mean that I mean that thank you, thank you. Just have to say that thank you.

Casey Means [00:48:44] Thank you for having us here. Oh.

Tucker [00:48:46] So suit your description of your parents is.

Casey Means [00:48:50] It brings me to tears.

Tucker [00:48:51] Oh, my.

Casey Means [00:48:51] Gosh, I cannot wait to have children. There is no greater role. There is no greater role in this world. And, you know, I was sold such a bill of lies, like climb the corporate, you know, climb the medical ladder, become the chair of an institution. I can think of no greater thing that we can do than have children and keep them healthy. Yeah, right. And I just, you know, up until a couple years ago, I don't even want to have children cause I thought I was a liability to this, to this value system of just, like, rise the ranks, you know, make money. But I don't think there's anything more important we could be doing than creating healthy children who are thinking for themselves, who are eating healthy food. And I cannot wait for that role. And I think it's a spiritual corruption of our society right now that we have forgotten that this is the most important thing that we can do. You know, it's it's it's unbelievable how far off we are. And I think it is deeply a spiritual crisis because we have lost sight of what really matters, in our, in our lives.

Tucker [00:49:39] And you are singing my song and much better than I ever could. So that is. Sorry. So completely carried away. Oh. So I guess now is the time, since we're talking about your parents, tell us. And your brother and I, I've talked about this at some length. I know this is painful, but about your mother, her illness, how that affected your. What you're doing now.

Casey Means [00:50:02] Our mother was our best friend. This book is dedicated to her. And, you know, I think my mom, she's sort of the archetypal American patient, you know, and, she's someone who was totally faithful to the American healthcare system and, like so many other Americans, was ultimately completely let down by it. You know, she passed away far too early. After 40 years of completely missed warning signs of the root causes of all the different symptoms and conditions she was racking up. So, you know, she had me when she was 40. I was a humongous baby born. And Sibley Hospital. I was almost 12 pounds. Carly was almost 12 pounds. And that's a huge baby. And, you know, that's actually a term for a baby over 8.5 pounds, which is fetal marker someo, which portends metabolic issues in a mother and metabolic issues in the baby. And I had them. I was 210 pounds by the time I was in eighth grade, you know, and my mom had trouble losing the baby weight, had a very tough menopause in our 60s, got all the American diagnoses, high cholesterol. They gave her Stanton high blood pressure, they Renaissance Lipitor, high blood sugar, they metformin. Oh, this is normal. It's a rite of passage. You know every American's getting these diseases. So she went to all the specialists. She went to the cardiologist nanotechnologies. Her primary care doctor got all these medications. And then, you know, she's 72 years old, doing everything the doctors are telling you to do, taking the pills every single day. And she gets a diagnosis of, she has some shed, some belly pain one day, went to the doctor. It lasted for a few weeks. She got a CT scan stage for widely metastatic pancreatic cancer. She was dead 13 days later. And she was seen at the best hospitals in the in the country. You know, she was seen it. She was taking executive physicals at Mayo. She was being seen at Stanford and Palo Alto Medical Foundation. And they looked at us in the eye, and they looked at us after her death and said, oh my God, this is so unlucky. And I knew enough at that time to know there was nothing unlucky about this. This was an entirely predictable sequence of events from the age of 40 to the age of 72.

Tucker [00:51:55] She had, as you suggested, I think, every possible advantage, like clearly high functioning person who followed the guidance, had the means to do it, had a daughter with you, specialty knowledge, a physician daughter. So like she had every possible.

Casey Means [00:52:11] Advance, did every single thing they said, and died at 72, in the prime of her life, from conditions that were on the exact same spectrum. So these can every condition I mentioned in earlier in this episode and every condition she had her on this metabolic disease.

Tucker [00:52:27] So you believe so pancreatic cancer specifically if my memory serves and I think it does was kind of an unusual it was always famously dangerous, deadly rocketing. I have noticed like all of a sudden people, you know.

Casey Means [00:52:40] What are the risk factors? Obesity, diabetes, smoking. It is fundamentally a lifestyle disease, pancreatic why it is going up.

Calley Means [00:52:50] So is breast cancer.

Casey Means [00:52:51] Breast cancer I mean breast cancer is now 1 in 8 women. You know this is an estrogen often. And as.

Calley Means [00:52:55] Foodborne illness.

Casey Means [00:52:56] Estrogen driving cancer. Well where are these extra estrogens coming from. Oh Maybe it's the 6 billion pounds of pesticides that are being invisibly sprayed on all of our food and poisoning it. And what are these pesticides doing? They're estrogen receptor agonist. Interesting being sold to us from China and from Germany.

Calley Means [00:53:16] You know, which they're not using in their food.

Tucker [00:53:18] They're illegal. What does that what does that mean? I'm sorry. I just want to make sure the science is clear. I don't I don't really understand it. It's the effects of these chemicals on food is what.

Casey Means [00:53:29] So the the ostensibly these these chemicals are being used 6 billion pounds globally per year because of pest control. They're also being used on our children's parks and golf courses and all over the place. They're invisible, they're tasteless, and they are directly toxic to our cellular biology. So they're pesticide side is the word for the act of killing. So herbicides and such sites fungicides. And they are so toxic that 20% of all suicides globally are performed by drinking pesticides. And yet we're told by our government that they're totally safe. There's this, this all this will shock you. But you look at so, you know, the largest merger ever done in Germany was Bayer Monsanto, where Bayer which is a pharmaceutical company merged with Monsanto, which is an agrochemical company, United States. If you look at what, Bayer makes, they make cancer drugs for things like non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. And if you look at what Monsanto makes, which is roundup, which is the most widely used pesticide in America, the cancer that it, causes is non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. They paid out $11 billion in the past couple years for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cases. So the companies are emerging that are directly known to cause the disease with a medical company that has a treatment for the disease like this is very, very dark. And, so, like Carly said, you know, it's kind of this revolving door, between create the illness, treat the illness, and hide the science that tells us what's happening.

Calley Means [00:55:00] But but this is all result of. T

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