Elon Musk s Massive X Conversation with Trump Amid Calls of Potential Arrest, with Bethany and Karol

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Megyn Kelly is joined by Bethany Mandel and Karol Markowicz, authors of "Stolen Youth," to discuss the massive conversation on X Spaces between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, some on the left calling for Musk to be censored and even arrested over his comments and platforming, and more.

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Transcript
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I love that Elon so upset the people
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over in the UK and Europe r large that
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the EU is actually warning him this was
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ahead ahead of the Trump conversation um
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saying you better watch it tonight that
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you can't have any incitements to
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violence or hate speech or racism and uh
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if you do you could potentially be
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arrested you're having that exact plan
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an arrest argued for in the paper today
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suggesting really that's the only thing
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that will make Elon listen to these
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International in particular European
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constrictions on speech and elon's
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response uh to this was to off um
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I'll get the exact quote it was better
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than that I think it was to be precise
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go your face that
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was that was is it something about it
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that that we just like let loose I love
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when Megan curses with us I know every
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time I'm just trying to be accurate in
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my reporting of the story Bethany so um
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how did you think it went last night and
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what do you make of the advanced leftist
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freakout about the platforming of
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hate I he's one of the candidates
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running for president do people really
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think that he shouldn't be platformed
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what country are we living in and I you
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know I love Elon using the f-words I
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love him using it creatively that's all
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terrific but you know I I would say that
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we fought a war not to care what Europe
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thinks and so here we are we shouldn't
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worry about their insane anti-free
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speech laws because we live in America
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Elon is now an American this is not our
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problem anymore that you guys can't you
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know deal with the fact that people will
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say things that you disagree with we're
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a little bit past that I listened to the
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the the whole thing on X I thought it
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was really excellent um I'm actually I
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don't love listening to stuff like that
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I'm not like every interview politically
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I listen to that don't um and I really
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enjoyed that it was casual it was smart
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I heard things that I never heard before
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from Donald Trump I thought it was
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excellent well done lots of listeners I
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mean they're saying they had a billion
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listeners ultimately impressive and
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amazing I feel I need to correct the
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record on that they they say there were
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a billion views we don't know what that
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means I think a view is counted even if
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you scroll right past it I mean there's
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no way there were a billion views of
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that actual watches of that last night
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because if there were it would be the
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lead story in every newspaper and
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publication worldwide like that's just
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not that's not but I'm sure there were
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tons of eyeballs it's just this is an X
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marketing device that they use to try to
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boost whatever big thing they're getting
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behind that's just for the record um so
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Bethany um by the way it was in the
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guardian and it was an ex Twitter boss
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who said he has a way of grabbing elon's
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attention if he keeps stirring unrest he
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doesn't like some some of his uh posts
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on what's happening in London get an
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arrest warrant and same thing talking
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about how uh it was clear from my eight
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years at the platform that there's
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something Lost in Translation between
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British interpretations of free speech
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and those pared by a us libertarian
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interpretation of the concept correct
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sir correct there is some there is
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something Lost in Translation it's
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called the US Constitution and that's
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what we follow over here we don't follow
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your definitions of a hate speech thank
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God as Carol points out whole war was
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fought to get rid of those
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shackles yeah no thank God I mean what
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was really interesting to me was that
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all of these folks who were you know
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preemptively up in arms about anything
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that could be said um none of them have
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listened to Elon musk's talk they've
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never listened to Donald Trump talk they
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have this caricature in their minds of
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what these folks sound like that is has
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no basis in reality um and I was really
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Disturbed watching a lot of these
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individuals who like Dei is there entire
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personality they're always talking about
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inclusivity
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and and as soon as they actually heard
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Elon Musk speak they said oh this is
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rambling he sounds like an idiot he's on
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the Spectrum he talks about being on the
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Spectrum and all of their their sweet
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talk about inclusivity went out the
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window the second and actually autistic
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individual got onto a platform in which
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he could speak freely I I thought it was
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really disturbing uh and really
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instructive about how how committed they
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actually are to inclusivity uh they're
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not but don't forget Bethany Joy this is
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the joy party it's having such a good
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time I just want to add also that a
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Washington Post reporter also tried to
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shut down this conversation he asked
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Karine uh you know the the spokeswoman
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at the at the White House we have this
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hold on Carol let me play it let me play
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it and then you react on the back end so
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yes for the audience this is a
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Washington Post reporter at the White
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House Press briefing asking Karine jier
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one of the dumbest questions we've ever
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heard here it is Elon Musk is slated to
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interview Donald Trump tomorrow tonight
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um on on X uh I don't know if the
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president is going to tune in feel free
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to say if he is or not um but I I think
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that um misinformation on Twitter is not
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just a campaign issue it's a you know
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it's a America issue uh what role does
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the white house uh or the president have
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in sort of stopping that or stopping the
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spread of that or um sort of inter
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intervening in that some of that was
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about campaign misinformation but you
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know it's a wider thing right yeah no I
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you've heard us talk about this many
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times from here about the
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responsibilities that social media uh
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platforms have uh when it comes to
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misinformation
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disinformation that person asking the
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question is an idiot Carol an absolute
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idiot I can't believe that he considers
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himself a member of the press and it
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works for the Washington post go ahead
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it's crazy I mean I think that we used
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to have at least some faith that these
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people weren't fullon lackies the way
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they are but the last like two months
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have really opened some eyes I don't
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just say people who are like political
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like the three of us were were really
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involved I hear from people all the time
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that how can I believe anything that
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this media is telling me because Joe
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Biden was hidden from view we were told
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he was totally fine he's not totally
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fine then they just swap him out I think
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all of that has really broken trust with
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kind of more Normy people who maybe
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don't follow things quite as closely as
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we do and then hearing this kind of
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question uh in the White House to say
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how can we shut down speech that we
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don't like is just unbelievable it's
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unamerican it's unacceptable so one of
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the best known most famous richest men
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in the world somebody who's created I
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don't know how many thousands hundreds
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of thousands of American jobs Elon Musk
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wants to have a public conversation with
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the man who was president and is running
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to be president again and the question
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at the White House by the a member of
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the White House price Corp is what are
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you going to do to stop it what are you
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Karine jeanpierre going to do to stop it
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and re in the misinformation in this
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press conference in this in this
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conversation that I wasn't invited to I
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mean he could listen but that I'm not
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allowed to participate see I am the
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gatekeeper that's what he's saying I get
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to to decide what the parameters are and
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I feel really uncomfortable when people
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are going outside of my controlled
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circles like to x with Elon and having a
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free flowing conversation Bethany he's
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literally you can see he's uncomfortable
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with it yeah no it's it's it's
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completely authoritarian and what's
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what's been interesting having Elon take
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over X was seeing you know we thought we
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had free speech in this country and then
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watching the Twitter Files come out and
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seeing wow they they
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absolutely silence people who were
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against all the co restrictions they
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they actively worked with the the
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government in order to make sure that
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people could not speak freely but I'm
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thinking back to you remember the tips
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line that Obama had during Obamacare
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they've always foot seed with this
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authoritarian stuff where you know
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report don't don't don't be afraid to
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report misinformation and we are the
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determiner of what misin information is
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um we saw that really really Bloon
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during covid um one of the disturbing
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things that I heard again and again from
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doctors when we were researching stolen
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youth was that they said that the
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medical associations were making it
8:45
possible for them to lose their licenses
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if they spoke misinformation about covid
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and then that definition of
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misinformation then spread to
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misinformation about Reproductive Rights
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and you could not not give
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misinformation about Reproductive Rights
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if you were in OBGYN so all of this
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stuff all this authoritarian leanings
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has been going on for 10 years but
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really really hit the gas during covid
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it's I mean the conversation was
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fascinating I said before on the show to
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me Trump was too rambly he's just got to
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right tight Trump right tight keep it
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tight it's too long you can't follow and
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I'm in the business you know so it's
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like regular civilians are like I only
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have a limited amount of time for this I
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got to put my kids to bed I got to get
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ready for work you got to write tight
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anyway um but there were some
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fascinating exchanges here was one in
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which Trump was trying to make the case
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against
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Kamala it's that one obviously what
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what's happening sort of overnight is
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they're they're rewriting history and um
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and making uh kamla sound like a
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moderate when in fact she is far left
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like far far left worse than Bernie
9:58
Sanders she is considered more liberal
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by far than Bernie Sanders she's a
10:03
radical left lunatic and if she's going
10:06
to be our
10:07
president very quickly you're not going
10:09
to have a country anymore and she'll go
10:11
back to all of the things that she
10:12
believes in she believes in defunding
10:14
the police she believes in no fracking
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zero you no now all of a sudden she's
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saying no I I will I really want to see
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