134. Chlorine Dioxide and how it can work for you
Today I talk with Michelle Herman with Snoot! and I talk with Valerie Alliger-Bogard with Frontier Pharmaceutical. The topic is Chlorine Dioxide. Please look up theuniversalantidote.com to learn more about Chlorine Dioxide to see if it might be right for you. Please also check out Frontier Pharmaceutical website listed below.
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134. Chlorine Dioxide
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Michelle Herman: [00:00:00] Just in the last two years, I think really because of covid what's happened with covid. Um, the, the conversations about chlorine dioxide have just, just exploded. And, and I think it's kind of because of the ivermectin situation, the hydroxy chloroquine is now people are realizing that, oh, just because the FDA says, You know, don't use it.
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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So next, this episode is a very interesting episode. We I I Kind of said this before we started recording that we are the rebels of the rebels, and that'll be more elucidated as we go on. But we're going to be talking about chlorine dioxide. Uh, we have, uh, Michelle Herman from Snoot talking about chlorine dioxide, and we have Valerie Alger Borgrad.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, uh, Alger, you may be familiar with that name if you know much about chlorine dioxide, but we'll get into that a bit more. First, before we start anything on this subject, I want to make it clear that as a physician, I am not recommending treatment for any condition other than this is for your educational purposes only, to see if If this is something that you want to learn more about, chlorine dioxide is a very controversial subject.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: [00:04:00] I, I love having my medical license. I love treating patients and seeing them every day. And the FDA, uh, might do something about my medical license if I were to recommend any patient take this for any medical treatment. So again, this is not for medical treatment. This is purely for educational purposes only.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank you so much for coming on.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Thanks for having us. Happy to be here. Great.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. So the way we met is we were at the, uh, if you want to say like the rebel conference at FLCCC and, and you just told me just now that there was some, y'all tried to be more involved in the conference and it was prevented.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And you know, we don't have to get a names if you don't want to, or we can if you want. Um, but to give people an idea that this is the most rebellious of the rebellious people ideas.
Michelle Herman: Well, actually, we, we really didn't really ask to be a part of it. We actually just signed up as attendees to go and I had actually, um, I had gone to the event last summer [00:05:00] in Dallas and, um, I actually went there specifically to meet Steve Kirsch.
Michelle Herman: Um, I had been following him and everything that he was talking about with, you know, COVID and the vaccines and alternative treatments. And I just, I was like, how does he not know about chlorine dioxide? Why is he not talking about that? So I literally went to, to Dallas and I had dinner with him and his nurse Angela and Texas Lindsey, uh, was there.
Michelle Herman: And like the five of us, four or five of us had dinner. And he knew nothing about chlorine dioxide, so it was a whole educational process. And um, So I only really kind of met a handful of the main players at FLCC. So when this came around in February in Phoenix, I told Val that we have to totally go to this.
Michelle Herman: These are our people. They're open minded. They are, um, they're, they're really looking at, you know, their eyes have been opened. And what really struck me from the event last summer was, you know, they were all getting up there talking about, you know, here's our protocol for vaccine injured for this, for that and for COVID.
Michelle Herman: And I'm like, they were even talking about stuff like methylene [00:06:00] blue. And, you know, it was like, I'm like, okay, you guys are talking about, even I think they were talking about yoga and meditation. I'm like, the things you're missing are chlorine dioxide. Like, how do you not have this? And, you know, I'm sure we know why, but I thought, wow, um, this is a group we need to connect to.
Michelle Herman: So, so we went and we just, you know, attended and there was, I don't know, probably 500 doctors there, I think. Um, it was a really good crowd in Phoenix. And, um, we just started talking to people, you know, on the break and in the morning and, and at lunch and, and it really, frankly, blew our mind, um, you know, we're, we're so, we're so used to people not having any clue about what chlorine dioxide is.
Michelle Herman: So when somebody responds, Positively, it's it's kind of mind blowing for us. And I would say 99 out of 100 people. They knew about chlorine dioxide. They actually knew about snoot spray and frontier pharmaceutical. They knew about us. And we were like, What? How? How is this even possible? And so the reception we got was frankly incredible.
Michelle Herman: And we had kind of the main people who were kind of organizing it. [00:07:00] They're like, you know, because I was like, Yeah, kind of our goal here is, you know, if we get the you know, the confusion, the, um, the controversy, but you know, we essentially make products and the products are really great. So we don't even, we do nothing with oral ingestion or anything like that.
Michelle Herman: But you know, these products are great for, for everything under the sun. Right. And they're easy to incorporate in your daily life. So we had, I forget the gal's name that, um, that we talked to like at the cocktail party. She's like, Oh my God, you have to talk to Paul Merrick. Like I'm going to get you in front of him.
Michelle Herman: And, um, and it was kind of, I don't know, value. You want to tell what happened when we talked to. Dr. Merrick?
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Well, hi everyone. Um, his, his apparent involvement or understanding of chlorine dioxide seemed to only, uh, um, focus on, uh, Andreas Kalker's work. He didn't really know about us. He didn't know about the general field of chlorine [00:08:00] dioxide and, and he, well, I'm not sure. I don't want to say he didn't seem to be a fan, um, and he just sort of left, um, I forget.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: What did he say? And he's almost
Michelle Herman: like, Oh, we need more studies, which I thought was incredibly ironic. Oh, right.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Right. After
Michelle Herman: he's like, vitamin C, like we don't need more stinking studies. Like this stuff works. Why are we complicating this? So it was just kind of, it was, I thought it was pretty ironic, um, that that's, that's how he responded, but he'll, he'll come around and do time.
Michelle Herman: We're confident.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Well, and, and what I did was send him, I mean, that's what we have, is studies. Uh, we have hundreds and hundreds of studies, so I went ahead and sent him lots of them, and, uh, looking forward to speaking with him more.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And Michelle and Valerie, the way I met y'all was, I, I sat at a table, and this was a total God thing, and I, I started talking with one of the doctors there, it was Dr.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Mitch Leister, [00:09:00] and Some of the people in this audience may be familiar with him on my Ketamine Part 1 series and Part 2 series. And that's what came out of that. And then now it blossomed also into him introducing me into y'all.
Michelle Herman: Yeah, it was just really like kismet. Um, it was, it was great. We met Mitch, uh, I guess about two years ago, three years ago. Um, just a super guy and, you know, again, he's someone who, you know, is kind of a mainstream medical, right? He works at a university, but, but he's just so intrigued and interested by all of this.
Michelle Herman: Um, so he's just, he's been a great, uh, advocate for us and, and, um, and, and he's, you know, just a wealth of, of information too.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Valerie, what got you into chlorine dioxide? What's your history and the Alger name and the history behind that? Because then people may have heard that name and they may be wondering, I've heard that name before when I studied chlorine dioxide, but, but tell us how that's connected.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: My dad is a pioneer in the field of chlorine dioxide.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Uh, [00:10:00] the way he got into this was back in the 1970s. He had a company that was selling ultrasonic equipment and. One of these devices was an ultrasonic tank, like a cleaning tank, that you might see now that's used for cleaning jewelry. Um, it's a, it's a common, uh, it's a common device that's used in labs and whatnot.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And he was looking for disinfectant to use in the ultrasonic tank. cleaning tank so that he could clean and sterilize at the same time. And so he was looking at all the regular standard disinfectants, bleach, alcohol, iodine, none of them were appropriate for various reasons. And he had come across chlorine dioxide in the literature because chlorine dioxide was used at the time As a disinfectant for treating municipal water supplies, uh, it was first used back in 1944 at Niagara Falls water treatment plant for disinfecting, uh, water and, and removing foul tastes and [00:11:00] odors.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And so it was known as a very powerful disinfectant, but it wasn't actually available. He couldn't get it anywhere. He tried to obtain it and he couldn't get it. No one, no one could. And the reason is because chlorine dioxide is a gas, and it's not easily transportable. And there was no way to sort of have it on your tabletop.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Like, um, you can't just sort of get some and use it. So, he went ahead, long story short, I came up with a way to do that because he's like, this looks great. This looks perfect for what I want. Um, and so he went on to patent a method of using, of making corn dioxide for personal small scale uses. And while he was doing that, and it's not that he, he developed the only way of doing this.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: It was, he came up with a way of making it easy to do [00:12:00] and usable, suitable for use on the skin. And. As he was developing this method, he started using it on himself. And he started using it on his cuts and scrapes and pretty much everywhere on his body. And it was healing, um, any kind of wound. And he wasn't having any adverse events.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And it was working on everything. And he realized that not only is this an amazingly fast disinfectant, but it's also a great wound healer. And those two things are not found with other disinfectants. And so he patented this method of making it. And that opened up the field of Chlorine Dioxide for personal uses.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And that was back in 1978. And he went ahead and created a company called Alcybe Corp. And This, the companies started doing testing on, on their formulas. They were coming up with ways of making it stable, making it, um, easy to use, um, because, because it's a [00:13:00] gas, uh, you know, how, how do you create it, how do you store it, how do you, how do you make it easy to use?
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: So they worked a lot on, on various formulations and they started testing them. Uh, they, and they worked with, um, independent labs all over the world, um, but mainly all across the U. S. Um, and They were finding that, yes, it was an incredibly fast disinfectant. It was killing all bacteria, virus, fungus, yeast, spores, everything they were testing on.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And not only was it killing it, it was killing it fast. And then they found that, It didn't have toxicity, so they started doing a lot of toxicity tests, and it wasn't damaging, um, skin cells, it wasn't damaging, you know, animal cells, it only, it only has an effect on, uh, like single celled organisms, and, so, this was incredible, and it opens up, you know, countless numbers of fields of use.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: [00:14:00] Um, he also worked with various government agencies, and, uh, maybe some of the people who are watching this have seen, uh, there's a, a, a, uh, video documentary that had been put out called The Universal Antidote, and, um, The term comes from the work that my dad did with NASA, um, who recognized chlorine dioxide as the, as they coined the term a universal antidote because it worked on so many different things.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: So I worked on all these organisms and it had so many applications, um, in the automotive field for medical uses, for agriculture, just, um, everywhere that it could be used. So, um, that documentary is a great way to get introduced into, um, the history and the chemistry and the uses of chlorine dioxide. And [00:15:00] again, it's called the.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Universal Antidote. If you just go to theuniversalantidote. com, it'll come up and, um, um, They talk about us in there and they talk about some of the newer uses of chlorine dioxide as well. And, and so that's a great introduction. And so, my dad focused his efforts on topical uses of chlorine dioxide. Um, and you may be more familiar, and I know you've talked with, you know, some of your other, um, people you've interviewed about drinking it.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: We didn't get into that side of it, so we focus on the topical uses, and so, his company Alcyde got, uh, went public, and then it got bought out by Ecolab. And, um, Their, their focus really was in the animal, um, husbandry, uh, fields, and, uh, they had gotten an EPA approval as a hard surface disinfectant, but they weren't [00:16:00] developing the technology for all the uses that my dad knew.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And uh, so he started up a, the new, our new company, and that's our company now, Frontier Pharmaceutical, so that we could continue the development of the technology for more uses. We focus now on oral care. We have a mouthwash and a toothpaste. Uh, we have a nasal spray called Snoot and, uh, Michelle is, is my partner in that company.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And, uh, we also have skin care and wound care products. Um, and that's been our focus. Yeah, I'll
Michelle Herman: kind of add on to that. It's, um, you know, one of the things that, uh, that. Came up, you know, and actually like I was going to ask you too, Sam, like, how did you, how did you first hear about chlorine dioxide? And, and was it about, you know, the gas and water drinking it, or was it the products or, you know, I always, we're always kind of, um, Really intrigued by how people come across it and what they think.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So, the way I discovered [00:17:00] it, or heard about it, is I first heard about it from a lawyer, Todd Callender. And I've had him on a previous episode, and he mentions, Oh, I had this knee infection, so I started drinking it, and I was kind of sticking my head in the sand about this bladder cancer that he had, and it got rid of his knee infection, and then lo and behold, it also got rid of his bladder cancer.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And then his father took it, because his father had EMS, Um, you know, multiple sclerosis, and it cured his dad's multiple sclerosis. And then, this is when I was in the army still. I got an email, um, from someone, and I'll leave all names and identifiers out, uh, but I got an email from someone, and it was just kind of, it was a vague email, and so, called this person back, because I was like, hey, let's talk, and he kind of felt me out to see how open I was to new ideas, and then when he realized that, you know, yeah, this guy's pretty open to ideas, he told me about the Universal Antidote, and, because he, he has a contact with the person that made that website, uh, and eventually I [00:18:00] got to talk with him.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: with the person who made the Universal Antidote website. Um, that person has had an invitation to come here, but because of similar reasons and fears of, of the FDA and things like that, he, he decided it's best, or that person decided it's best for that person to not come here. Um, but yeah, it's, it's a great website and I'll put a link down below for the Universal Antidote.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's a great way to get introduced into, you know, how this has been used, how it's been used to treat, um, patients. In other countries, people use it for malaria and it seemed to get completely get rid of malaria and different cancers and there's research in other countries going on right now, uh, to use this for cancer.
Michelle Herman: Yeah, that's such a weird coincidence. Um, you know, Val and I, you know, and her dad, um, you know, we've been just so, like, nose to the grindstone and, and just, you know, slaving away and, you know, we actually were aware that people were drinking it and I even talked to Howard Allinger about it and, and it was kind of like, eh, would it really work?
Michelle Herman: And [00:19:00] that, that just really wasn't his area of interest. So we never really pursued it. And, and frankly, we did, um, We did kind of stay at arm's length, um, from, from that kind of movement. And so we really had really very, very minimal connection with them. And, you know, just in the last two years, I think really because of COVID, what's happened with COVID, um, the, the conversations about chlorine dioxide have just, just exploded.
Michelle Herman: And, and I think it's kind of because of the ivermectin situation, the hydroxychloroquine is now people are realizing that, oh, just because the FDA says, You know, don't use it. It's not approved XYZ. You know, it doesn't mean that there's not value in these. And so we actually, you know, we never, I never heard Todd calendar's name until like a year ago.
Michelle Herman: And, um, and we had no idea. And so we actually got a, got to meet him, um, on a video call last last year. And, um, so we sent them all our products and he was like, Oh my God, your products are fantastic. And. And what we've kind of found is, you know, all the stuff that was happening primarily internationally, [00:20:00] um, because a lot of times, you know, these countries, they don't have any money, you know, like this common phrase, like, oh, be sure to talk to your doctor, ask your doctor, and you feel like we don't have a doctor.
Michelle Herman: We're like dirt poor. What are you talking about? So, you know, because of the poverty, because of just the situation in a lot of these countries, um, they're, they just talk to each other. And, you know, it's just a different world. So, you know, they're very open to these things that are happening. And so we, we've been just incredibly surprised and, um, thrilled that all of this activity has been going on.
Michelle Herman: Really, for 10 15 years, and it's really heated up, um, the last 3 years, and so what we've, what we've found is, um, that once you understand what chlorine dioxide is, like with Todd, you know, somebody, somebody basically said, Hey, you know, what have you got to lose? You know, you've got this horrible cancer thing, you know, you might as well try this, right?
Michelle Herman: And when people are desperate, and they, they're like, yeah, I'll try anything. Uh, it sounds crazy, but I'll do it. And, you know, that totally opened his eyes, and, and, you know, but, you know, the whole concept of, you know, even on the Universal Antidote or Andreas Kalkar, it's like, okay, well, you got to [00:21:00] take Part A and Part B, and then you mix it, and then you do this, it's really kind of a complicated process for some people, and, um, they've, they've done a lot of work on coming up with protocols, and how do you use it, and testimonials, um, but when you realize that there's, um, Really, essentially a ready made product.
Michelle Herman: Tastes good, feels good, works great, that you don't have to figure out what's the parts per million. You don't have to, you know, infuse it into a jar. Um, that's really, these people are, uh, they're kind of our biggest fans now. Um, because they really understand what the compound can do. And they like to be able to easily incorporate it into their daily life.
Michelle Herman: So mouthwash, toothpaste, nasal spray, um, even the wound care. So it's, it's really, that audience has been, uh, fantastic for us, really.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, I would say I've described this to some people that I know, you know, just in friendship relationships, you know, like a church or wherever, and they're like, Man, that seems complicated.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I mix this with that, and mix that with this, and then I, you know, stand on my head, and I do this, that, and the other, and it's, and it's, it's really not that [00:22:00] complicated, but it, it, it comes off as seeming complicated, and it comes off as seeming, you're going to mix an acid and, and some salt, and you're going to do what now?
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I, I get those concerns.
Michelle Herman: Because Yeah, it sounds crazy. Yeah.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: When I, when I talked to all the guys I talked to, Todd Callender and the guy who made the, um, the website, the, uh, the Universal Antidote website, I'm like, I was like, okay, well, I'm interested, but I gave it to my cat first, because my cat was on death's door.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So it's like, well, I mean, the cat's going to die later today anyways. And then It continued to live for a year after a short treatment of the stuff. So I mean, it's, it's absolutely incredible.
Michelle Herman: Wow. Wow. That's, that's actually amazing. I'm, I'm glad your, your cat, um, uh, had a lengthy extension of their life.
Michelle Herman: Um, yeah, it was funny. A lot of people, they'll try it on their pet first and that's almost everybody's story. It's like, well, I gave it to my dog. My dog is fine or better. Um, cause it is kind of scary. And I think, you know, what, what we've done and really what Howard and Val have done, you know, like here's the mouthwash.
Michelle Herman: I mean, it's, it's like super easy on your [00:23:00] bathroom counter. Yeah. You know, a couple of pumps of A and B, let it sit for 10, 15 seconds. And, you know, to do that, if you were going to mix chlorine dioxide, mix it up, um, honestly, it tastes terrible. And if it's too strong, it'll etch your teeth. So it's not a pleasant experience to try to use it on, on a topical, uh, or oral or nasal application.
Michelle Herman: And, um, when people realize that we have these products, it just makes it so much easier. And we've had people that literally, you know, they have no idea this is actually really chlorine dioxide. Um, and some people who've been. No, I'll never do that. That's insane. Um, you know, they get somebody, somebody sends them a little box of snoot in the mail because they have sinus issues or a cold or they're traveling.
Michelle Herman: Um, and then they're like, Oh, my God, this is great. I love it. And, uh, so I think a lot of people, um, kind of try it because they're desperate. They've tried everything. It doesn't work. And I hear about it from someone. And I don't think they really fully understand chlorine dioxide. Um, but they're like hooked on the product because it actually does things that nothing else does.
Michelle Herman: So it's, it's really an interesting kind of [00:24:00] evolution and, you know, from education awareness to, um, kind of adoption, uh, cause it is, it's, it's, it's an education, it's, you know, there, these are, it's not just another scope or another Listerine, it's not another Afrin, um, it's just such a different compound that it's, it's, yeah, it almost, you know, kind of seems too good to be true.
Michelle Herman: Um, but. It is true.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: So Michelle, can you explain what snoot is?
Michelle Herman: Yes. Um, so, and actually it's kind of an interesting story. So, um, Howard, Valerie's dad, um, you know, he was just a chronic inventor, serial inventor. And you know, it's, it's, it's kind of what happens when you learn what chlorine dioxide does, how it works, all the different pathogens that it goes after, you know, how it breaks up biofilm.
Michelle Herman: You really want to You just can't stop yourself. You keep just like, What about this? What about that? Let's make this kind of gel that gel. I mean, you just the possibilities are endless. And, um, I think actually, the first Gulf War, he had put together a nasal spray for people out in Afghanistan. You know, there's all this dust.
Michelle Herman: There's, uh, you know, fall out from [00:25:00] all kinds of chemical things that are happening there and gunpowder and all these things. Um, and I'm not really quite sure what happened with that. But about I guess in 2009, um, actually, my husband at the time, um, Uh, was working with another company in Los Angeles that, uh, these guys had actually just bought a company that had, that was using chlorine dioxide as a room and car deodorizer.
Michelle Herman: And so as part of that, they also had a package for skunks. Um, so if your dog got sprayed by a skunk, your dog smells, then he comes in and rubs himself all over your furniture, your room smells, and then you put him in the car, your car smells. And they were buying the, uh, the doggy shampoo from Frontier Pharmaceutical.
Michelle Herman: Howard Allager had invented a pet shampoo, uh, with chlorine dioxide that gets rid of skunk smell, which is really hard to get rid of. And so they started talking and, um, essentially my, my husband was, was, you know, we, we did all this research to find out like what it does. And, you know, it's shocking when you first hear about it, um, the capabilities that it has.
Michelle Herman: And the fact that it's really, it breaks up biofilm, makes it an excellent solvent for mucus. [00:26:00] And, you know, if you're getting a sinus infection, we just, actually, somebody, Dr. Saeed, um, I forget his last name, he just did a post a couple days ago on how sinus infections are almost always fungal. Fungals.
Michelle Herman: Fungus based. And a lot of these antifungals are, they're horrific medications. And a lot of doctors, um, have been historically prescribing antibiotics for sinus infections, which, of course, don't work. They don't like to give them because it's, um, The infection is really in the layer of your sinus cavity.
Michelle Herman: It's not in your bloodstream. So taking an oral medication to go through your bloodstream doesn't really do anything, but you know, patients want something. And, um, so anyway, at one point, uh, my husband was like, about to get a sinus infection and, and he just thought, Wow, what do I know about chlorine dioxide?
Michelle Herman: Hmm. Kills virus, bacteria, mold, fungus, yeast, biofilm. And so he actually took, um, I think it was the doggy ear spray, um, that we had from Frontier Pharmaceutical that had like a long pointy thing on it. And he took the doggy ear spray and he sprayed it up his nose. And um, it didn't really feel great [00:27:00] because it had some other ingredients that are great for a dog's ear But really not great for a human's nose And um, he blew his nose all this disgusting stuff came out And and he never got sick and it was like eight hours went by before he reached for another tissue to blow his nose And he was like, oh my god, this works.
Michelle Herman: So he called howard and um, he had just told howard Um, like listen howard you have way too many products. You need to focus like stop inventing all these crazy products You know, you got you got way too many things going on You need to just focus And, um, so he calls Howard, he's like, Howard, oh my God, have you thought about making a nasal spray out of this?
Michelle Herman: And Howard is like, of course, duh. And he's like, just holding the focus, I shouldn't make any more products, but of course it would be great. And my husband's like, I, sorry, sorry, forgot, nevermind. And then a couple of weeks later, Howard calls and, and, and the whole thing was just so funny because he was like, okay, me and you 50 50.
Michelle Herman: And my husband's like, what? What are you talking about? He's like the nasal spray. Like, I'll make it, but, you know, at that point, Howard was like 80 something, he's like, I'll, I'll make it, I'll write the [00:28:00] patent, I'll get an NIH study, but I'm, that's it. I'm not doing anything else. You, you know, make the packaging, marketing the website, you guys do everything else.
Michelle Herman: And so that's what we did. And so our first package run was actually May of 2010. And so it's, it's essentially, it's the same thing, it's a, you can see it's a, it's a two part product, and it's an A and B, and it comes with a little, cute little nasal sprayer, And, uh, essentially this is, uh, this kit is enough to fill this 20 ml sprayer from 6 to 12 times.
Michelle Herman: Um, once you mix the A and B together, the chlorine dioxide will start to generate. And, um, it'll basically reach a peak strength at about 12 hours. And then it just starts to kind of, uh, dissipate. It'll actually, uh, cause it's a gas. So, uh, the gas will actually come out of the sprayer. You can actually smell it.
Michelle Herman: You can smell, you can actually smell the cinnamon, which is not really gas, but, um, after about seven, eight days, the chlorine dioxide has essentially reduced itself down to, you know, just maybe a handful of parts per million. There's really nothing left, but the beauty of chlorine dioxide [00:29:00] is that when it breaks down, it breaks down into salt water.
Michelle Herman: So even if you filled your sprayer and you didn't use it all in the, you know, in a week, you could still use it, still salt water, saline, which is, which is not bad. So, um, this is probably the easiest, most convenient way for you to incorporate chlorine dioxide into your life. You know, it's literally something you just, you know, fill this little sprayer, put it in your pocket, your purse, carry it around with you.
Michelle Herman: And, um, and it's, it's, it's phenomenal for, um, you know, for traveling, even like construction people, you know, you're all, all that dust and sawdust and, um, thing, um, even landscaping. I mean, there's so many uses for it and it works great. It's not addictive. Um, like Afrin, Afrin people actually use this product to get off of Afrin.
Michelle Herman: Um, and off of steroids. Um, you know, so because it's, it's not a drug. It's not going to cause, you know, jittering or dryness, um, or, you know, sleepiness. So, yeah, it's been a really, you know, interesting, uh, process for us. And, you know, there's, it's, there's nothing else like it on the market. So, you know, it's an educational process to really [00:30:00] get people to kind of understand what it is.
Michelle Herman: But, um, yeah, we're, we're, it's, it's, we're having a lot of fun, especially the last couple of years have been, it's been great. Just, you know, the documentary coming out and, you know, All the people that we've met through that, um, it's, it's, um, it's, it's really fun. And we, we've got some exciting things on tap and, and, uh, it's, it's really nice to see it start to take off.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Great. Thank you. Valerie, what products do y'all still have available with your company?
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: So in addition to the snoot, we have, uh, as we, uh, Michelle showed and I've been trying to show our mouthwash and again, super simple to use. You just mix equal amounts of parts A and B. I was sort of trying to demonstrate while Michelle was talking.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: I actually have some in here already, but it's usually three squirts of part A, three squirts of part B. You wait about 15 seconds, and you're good to go. So, we've got the formulation perfected so that it generates the [00:31:00] exact amount of chlorine dioxide that you need. There's no, um, you don't have to dilute, you don't have to do anything, and it's good to go.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And this is stable for two years, so it's always available on your shelf. Um, and there's no fuss or question about how to use it, and that's what we've really focused our efforts on with all our products. So, We have that, and we have our toothpaste, uh, which is also a two part system. And so our mouthwash, toothpaste, and the snoot are all two part systems.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And the reason they're two parts, for anyone who's not familiar with corn dioxide, is that The way you generate the chlorine dioxide gas is by activating sodium chlorite. And the sodium chlorite is in the part A, and the activator is in the part B. So, as we, as we mix the two, the chlorine dioxide is now generating and building up in here.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Um, with the toothpaste, you do [00:32:00] the same sort of thing where you just, Just taking an equal amount of part A and part B, I'm just gonna try to do this, um, on your toothbrush and you just start brushing and the chlorine dioxide activates as you brush and it's just ready to go. And it took us a really long time to figure out how to do this, make it stable, make it taste good, and get the chlorine dioxide to, to generate immediately.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: That was not easy to do, um, and it also protects the teeth. It tastes good. Um, and it works great. Um, so two ways of getting the chlorine dioxide, um, into the mouth. It's great for bleeding gums, it's great for any kind of infection, it's just a great cleaner. They're great, uh, for deodorizing and for, for, um, Improving your breath, because chlorine dioxide, one of its many benefits is that it's a very potent deodorizing agent.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: It breaks down sulfur compounds, as well as smoke, garlic, um, every kind of [00:33:00] odor, so lots of benefits with the oral care products. Um, what my dad did, because some people still don't like to mix, and they still find it, uh, Uh, a burden, even though some people kind of like being a chemist, they like to mix the two parts and they feel like they're really doing something, they're really creating something, it's not just a gimmick.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Um, but, in order to make it even easier, my dad came up with a way of actually complexing the chlorine dioxide into a single stable complex. And this is really revolutionary. Um, this was never done before. And so we've We've used that technology now for our skin care and wound care products. So we have, um, wound care liquid and we also have gels that have the chlorine dioxide in the single part.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: So these are ready to go right off the shelf. There's no mixing. You're getting the chlorine dioxide and they're [00:34:00] formulated in the. appropriate concentrations for the application that they're labeled for. So for wounds, you're getting the amount of chlorine dioxide that you need, and it's available immediately, so they're really easy to use.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: The efficacy of this single part product we've tested is just as good or better as the two part. Um, and has the same safety profile. Um, so those products are available for wound care. And then we also have skin care. Um, well, before I move off that, we have product, uh, called Irrigant, which is for, uh, an ear cleanser, which is used, um, mainly for animals, but can also be used by humans for any kind of infection.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And the cool thing about chlorine dioxide for use in ear infections, especially for cats and dogs, is ear infections can be caused by either bacteria or yeast. And that's it. Typically, a [00:35:00] vet cannot prescribe a medication until they've cultured it, because they have to find out whether it's bacteria or yeast, because if they prescribe the wrong medication, they can make it worse.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: But because Chlorine Dioxide kills both, you don't have to worry about it, so it makes it easier. Easy to use because you can, um, use it on any kind of infection. It's also water based so it doesn't build up, um, like oily, waxy build up in the ear like some of the medications do. So that's really easy, easy product to use to keep ears clean or for infections.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Um, we also have product for warts and for nail fungus. Call nail fungus, nail it. And for warts, it's called Was A Wart. Again, single part, really easy to use. You, where you just put it right on the nail. It's safe for use on the skin. Uh, really easy to use and it works, works great. [00:36:00] Um, we also have product for acne and again it's just a gel, um, that's used as a spot treatment and, um, we also have, um, product for canker sores.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: So lots of products, uh, there's more in the pipeline, uh, we have a face wash and a body wash that we'll be coming out with. We actually sell now through a distributor, um, but basically that's it. Again, because chlorine dioxide has so many applications that it's just sort of endless. So we've had to focus.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: So this is our focus for now. And, um, you know, there's more, more to come. We've got the formulations, you know, figured out. We've got the technology figured out. And, um, uh, those are the products that we're working on. That we've got at the moment.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, that's wonderful. I haven't used all your products, but I do know just from my own chlorine dioxide use at home, if I get a scratch or if I get a bite by some insect and I put it on there, it heals so much quicker [00:37:00] and like the burn from whatever sting goes away so much faster than if I did nothing.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Or using the other product, really.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: My friend, just a case in point, my friend came in the other day. She has a cat. And she's like, Val, I just got scratched by my cat. She got a big scratch down her nose and she was holding a tissue to it. And she's like, it won't stop bleeding, it hurts. And, you know, cat scratches can be really dangerous, uh, because they carry so much bacteria, especially around the face.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And so I took our spray, um, I actually, um, this, this spray, I actually put it on, sprayed it onto a tissue and just put it on there. It stopped the bleeding instantly. Um, and disinfects it all at the same time, and she was good to go. Like, it just stopped, she could take the tissue off, and it healed beautifully, and um, Chlorine Dioxide is an incredible wound healer.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And it's also great for scar reduction, because it actually, um, breaks the keratin [00:38:00] bonds, so, which is what scar tissue is made of. And there's lots of studies on that, that we've done. My dad did back with, with Alcide, and um, just an incredible wound healer, and you can use it on. Small wounds, big open wounds.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: We used it on, we used it on diabetic ulcers. Um, and any kind of wound, it's safe. Burns. Uh, so, the fact that you know it'll handle any kind of infection that you're dealing with and you can use it safely on an open wound, um, even inside the body. Funny story. Back, back in the outside days, um, I used to, um, I was a bio major and I was working for my bio, my advisor and he was a rattlesnake expert up in the Adirondacks and so I was helping him process the rattlesnakes and he came running into the lab one day coming from the field and he's like, Val, get that stuff, get that stuff.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: He's like, [00:39:00] mix it up, hurry up. And so I mixed up, it was the outside at the time, like, what's, what's going on, what's going on? I had a bowl of it, and he had accidentally sliced open the snake with his snake grabber, and its guts were all pouring out, and this poor snake. So he takes the snake, and he, he put, like, pushes all the guts back into it, and he takes the bowl of outside, and he, he just emptied it into the snake.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Ha! Oh my goodness.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And then, he took a needle and thread, and he's like, just up the snake and snake was fine. So it's really, it's just amazing. All you know, you can just feel safe using it on, on anything. You can use it on your eyes and your ears and your nose, obviously. Um, and of course, like anything, it's dose related, um, there is a big tolerance range for use on the skin and even ingesting, as we know, obviously you have to be careful and, [00:40:00] and, um, you know, obviously if you get too high a concentration of chlorine dioxide to breathe it in, then, you know, you can run into trouble, but, you know, we're nowhere close to that with our products and it's like, completes away from any, any issue.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: We've done lots of toxicity and safety studies, uh, but it's incredible how safe it is and what an amazing wound healer it is.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And just a little more about the chlorine dioxide itself. Um, go back and listen to Dr. Manuel Apricio when he was on my show episode 79. Um, but I've personally seen, uh, a man who is having macular degeneration and he put drops of it in his eyes.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And it reversed his macular degeneration. I personally know a man who, his son was having anaphylaxis due to a, a tree nut exposure. And the man gave a very strong concentration to his son, and the
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: It's amazing. I think there's so much we don't know, even still [00:41:00] about chlorine dioxide that, that we're, you know, we still have yet to learn that we're just scratching the surface. I think no pun intended,
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: you know, all the, all the work that's now being done with, with the oral ingestion is really amazing.
Michelle Herman: Yeah, it's, it's really kind of shocking to us. I mean, cause we really had, you know, I'd say essentially dismissed it. Right. As as being effective. And frankly, I think we we kind of thought it was crazy. And, you know, we've been been connecting, you know, with Andreas Kalkar and Carrie Rivera.
Michelle Herman: And, um, you know, just kind of all these people internationally and their stories are they are mind blowing. And I don't know if you've seen there's a there's a telegram channel. It's called the Universal Antidote. Um, and that's just an open channel. You can go there and literally search or there's like 75, 000 people in that group.
Michelle Herman: There's also a chat group and they have. It's really nicely arranged where all of the testimonials that have come in really from all over the [00:42:00] world. Um, people's, you know, using chlorine dioxide, you know, uh, in all these different variations. Um, also using our products. Um, you know, we, we were just, after the documentary came out, Val and I were like, oblivious.
Michelle Herman: We had no idea that all this stuff was happening. And so we didn't even go onto the telegram channel to like, maybe, I don't know, a year ago. And, um, and it was, it was amazing. These people's stories. And then I just typed in snoot and there was like all these people talking about snoot and like, wow. Um, and dioxirin, some mouthwash.
Michelle Herman: And so there's amazing stories and you can literally search for any element You know, diabetes, uh, eczema, um, you know, there's, you know, everybody, there's pictures, there's a lot of pet pictures where, you know, there's a dog or cat who had some horrible, you know, cancerous growth on their mouth or their eyes or somewhere on their body, and they describe what they did as a protocol, and they have pictures, you know, after x many days, the dog, cat was fine, just kind of like you said, um, and it, and it's really remarkable.
Michelle Herman: Um, you know, it's, [00:43:00] it's, you know, I think that's kind of the, The painful part about this is, you know, I'm sure you too, you know, your people here from friends and, you know, on Facebook and like, Oh, you know, my cat has cancer. My dog, you know, has cancer. And, you know, you just want to help these people. And, um, you know, it's like, it's so hard to sit here and just not, you know, shout it from the rooftops.
Michelle Herman: Um, Because there's, you know, there's hope there. There's absolutely things that, that are worth trying. Um, yeah, on, oh, on the cancer thing. We should actually mention that too. One of the, um, last patents, uh, Howard Allager got approved was for a cancerous tumor. Um, which, uh, Val, if you want to talk about that and just the testing that was done.
Michelle Herman: And actually, we'll send you that. We put together a presentation that we did at a couple events. We'll send that presentation to you. So if you want to, you know, use pieces of it or load it up. Um, there's some really good pictures of like, kind of before, after, before, during, and after.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Awesome. Is it a video?
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. Because I can take it to the end of this, if it's a video.
Michelle Herman: Um, yeah, I can turn it into a video. [00:44:00] It's actually just slides, but I could, we could make it a video.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Okay. Or if I want to have, if you'd be willing to come back and talk me through it, we could do that too.
Michelle Herman: Oh, totally. Yeah, I mean, that could be another session.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: I can tell you a little about that, though. What, what, um, so the single part, single part, Um, formula that my dad came up with. He, he was thinking, you know, the only thing he hasn't worked on was cancer. And so we figured, alright, that's next on the list. And, and, um, so I th um, he could have talked to you a lot more about this, but cancers, tumors have a lot of polyenes in them and whatnot, and he knows that chlor dioxide would, would, um, neutralize or break those apart.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And anyway, we, we tried using the, uh, he calls it in tomb for intu into tumors, um, injecting. A very strong formula version of this into, uh, the tumors, and we tried all different kinds of tumors. We tried [00:45:00] brain tumor, colon, pancreatic, uh, lung cancer in athymic mice, which are mice without immune systems where they can grow these different, you know, human based tumors on their backs.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And we inject Our Intum into these tumors in a specific way and we found it took some experimenting, but we found it was sort of technique related but We the Intum disintegrates the tumor the full tumor within 24 hours The tumor is actually gone overnight And what was happening was Well, what happens is, it leaves a big gaping hole, and um, so the researchers that were doing this were like, well, you know, we had to euthanize the mice because it left this big wound, and we finally convinced them to just wait and see, you know, what would happen, you know, we think they'll [00:46:00] heal, and sure enough, they do.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And, uh, it takes about 15 days and, um, we've had multiple successes with these tumors, um, being obliterated and not coming back.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Wow. And
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: with the, with the wounds healing, and yeah, we can show you slides of that. And we were doing a bunch of work, um, on this with a local university and, uh, after my dad passed, we kind of, uh, uh, we, we kind of stopped that work for the moment.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: And so, um, it's really exciting. We'd love to continue doing that work, but with everything going on, we, we've had to kind of put it on hold. Unfortunately.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's incredible. It's absolutely amazing.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: It's amazing. Yeah.
Michelle Herman: Yeah. When you, when you see these pictures of these mice, um, it's, it's shocking. Uh, actually we, we went to, uh, um, changing life and destiny conference recently in, in [00:47:00] Dallas.
Michelle Herman: And, um, you know, there's, there's actually a couple of people who are really into nitric oxide and have created some nitric oxide powders and, you know, supplements and things. And, uh, the guy did a presentation in one of the main sessions and he was actually talking about nitric oxide treatment for cancerous tumors.
Michelle Herman: And we're sitting there in the audience and he was like, okay, here's what we did with nitric oxide. Here was our protocol. And it was, you know, similar type of thing. Like here's a, some cancerous tumor or actually it was a wound, I think. And, uh, it was like, Everyone in the audience was like, wow, this is amazing.
Michelle Herman: This big, huge, gaping wound healed, but it took like six or eight months. And I just sat there thinking, oh, we can beat that. We did it overnight.
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: We did it overnight.
Michelle Herman: Yeah, so it's like there's a lot of great things out there that do amazing things and really can help that I, you know, it's great to see so many people open to, you know, the non standard, the quote unquote alternative, uh, medicine.
Michelle Herman: Um, you know, but it's like, okay, if you're going to go alternative, [00:48:00] you know, you might as well go all the way and chlorindex is probably the most, you know, there's maybe a few other things that, um, that are maybe more alternative than this, but it's, you can't argue with the results. Um, you know, it's easy.
Michelle Herman: It's so non toxic and it's, you know, it can be used so many different ways. And it's, it's, um, it's, it's exciting. I mean, we, we are really, actually, we met a couple of guys, um, at that event who have this big podcast with, you know, huge amount of followers. And, and they were like, uh, this stuff is amazing.
Michelle Herman: And they, they used our samples that we gave them and they're like, my God, my son, his headache went away and this is fantastic. And, and, and they, they actually interviewed us last, last month. And they're like, why is it that we've, We just heard about Clorindox like, like 30 days ago. Like, why is that? I'm like, well, yeah, it's, it's really, it's kind of criminal that people have not heard about it, but it's, you know, thanks to you, like yourself, um, being open to it and, and, um, taking a look at it.
Michelle Herman: I mean, I think, you know, like Val said, there, there's so many things that [00:49:00] can be done and, you know, the, the inventions and the ways to use it, uh, her and her dad, you know, came up with and tested and, um, Yeah, hopefully we get to a spot soon where we can really, um, start getting these things really into, you know, in, into medical practice, you know, uh, wound lavage, right.
Michelle Herman: For like, uh, surgical procedures. Like the fact that, um, so many of these in a hospital procedure or even an outpatient, you know, they're cutting into someone and they're using iodine, you know, to clean, to clean the skin. And like,
Valerie Alliger-Bograd: Yeah. As a pre procedural scrub, it's really helpful. It should be ubiquitous, you know,
Michelle Herman: it's ready to go.
Michelle Herman: It's, you know, it's like every surgical unit should have this. Every, you know, every guy in the army should have it in his backpack. Um, you know, this, these, this is such a simple two year shelf stable wound care. And, you know, we could make it, you know, viscous, you know, liquid for any kind of surgical thing, like before, during and after.
Michelle Herman: I mean, far superior to iodine. Um, you know, I'm safer. Okay. [00:50:00] safer. You know, they could even, you know, do a low parts per million and fog the surgical room to, you know, to kill, you know, kill every pathogen that that's out there. And I think that's another really interesting thing. Like the Um, so many countries, I mean, obviously what's going on kind of in Latin America, parts of Europe, um, but Japan, Japan and Taiwan are leaps and bounds ahead of the U.
Michelle Herman: S., um, in regards to their use of chlorine dioxide. So, for instance, uh, there was actually a study, which we can send you to, um, That it was, uh, it was Japan, uh, in Japan, and they put very low parts per million, uh, chlorine dioxide in the ventilation system in a school. And they tracked one classroom that had chlorine dioxide in the HVAC and another classroom that did not.
Michelle Herman: And they tracked it over a period of six months or a year. And the absenteeism in the one that had low parts per million chlorine dioxide was like almost non existent. And the one that didn't have it, they had all kinds of absenteeism because people are sick. So this is a compound that really should be used ubiquitously, you know, in our [00:51:00] HVAC systems, um, in your pool, in your spots.
Michelle Herman: In fact, I think almost every, um, Uh, casino in every hotel in Vegas now uses chlorine dioxide generating systems for their HVAC and their pool and spa because they had a bunch of issues with Legionella about 10, 15 years ago, and chlorine dioxide gets rid of Legionella. It's like one of the only things that does it, um, you know, just from an everyday aspect.
Michelle Herman: There's so many ways to incorporate this. Um, there was even actually when COVID came out. Um, I think I forget what country it was in. I think it was in somewhere in the UK. Um, uh, this bar, um, They had like a, they had built a structure like a, like you'd walk through like this little canal thing and it was like, you know, maybe three feet deep, you know, a person basically everybody had walked through and they had just like chlorine dioxide gas kind of like, um, fuming.
Michelle Herman: And so people would just walk through and they would get disinfected and then they'd all go into the bar. And so they stayed open the whole time, you know, so there's all these, you know, easy, incredible, safe uses for it that, you know, this whole COVID thing, you know, Don't even get me started on [00:52:00] that.
Michelle Herman: This is like never should have ever happened. It never needed to happen at all. Um, you know, and literally even just this, like having something like this to rinse away anytime you've breathed in any pathogens, you know, you can spray it on your nose, your ears, you can spray it at the back of your throat.
Michelle Herman: I've sprayed it on my eyes on accident. Doesn't, doesn't hurt or anything, you know, but that it's such a simple thing that, you know, just to wait until you get deathly ill and then have to go to the hospital and then be put on these drugs and a ventilator. Absolutely just so not necessary. Um, And really hospitals, why, you know, why aren't hospitals using this to ventilate to get rid of germs?
Michelle Herman: It's way better than a dirty mop. Um, you know, it's just Mind blowing that they don't oh even blood bag disinfection, right? This is a hot issue now that a lot of people who um are going through surgery They do not want to get vaccinated blood for a procedure. And so now there's even safe blood as an organization That's actually pairing um patients with another blood donor Uh, geographically, so they can get unvaccinated, [00:53:00] uh, COVID free vax blood.
Michelle Herman: And I talked to the guy and I was like, you know, Howard Allinger actually invented this process in, there's a paper from 1987 that they actually had this blood bag disinfection. I'll send that to you too. And it's like, it was like the, the Navy medical system and they're like, yeah, we did this because, uh, chlorine dioxide, the outside product, uh, basically sterilizes the blood, disinfects it and, uh, kills at the time they actually did it for, for AIDS, for HIV.
Michelle Herman: And so there's a paper from the Navy, um, it's published that it's like, yeah, instead of like, because I don't know what they do now for, um, like for, for donated blood, like they try to screen people, but a lot of people don't know they're, they're a carrier of some of these things, and then maybe they only test it once.
Michelle Herman: You know, for like four or five different, you know, viruses or pathogens, but it's like, okay, well, how many others out there? There's hundreds. There's probably thousands. Why wouldn't you just clean the whole blood bag and just get on with it? So it's, it's, um, it's really, you know, in one way, it's tragic that, that all this stuff was known about was tested.
Michelle Herman: [00:54:00] Um, you know, government entities knew about it. Hospitals, labs, um, doctors, scientists, chemists, you know, they all, they all know about this stuff. Like, where did it go? Um, I mean, it's, it's, it's It's, it's tragic, um, but it's also exciting because it's like we're, we're kind of, um, on the frontier again, so to speak, no pun intended.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, and one reason why it's, it's kept so hush hush is I put episode 79 with Dr. Manuel Apricio on YouTube, and it stayed up for about four hours before it was taken down because it specifically goes against the community standard guidelines. You cannot talk about chlorine dioxide. You just keep, you're not allowed, they will take your videos down.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Thank goodness Rumble allows me to keep them up.
Michelle Herman: Yeah,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: um, and another place that people may have heard this and they don't realize they heard about it is, you know, politics aside, whether you like the man or not, that's not the point. But when President Trump said, we're going to inject people with bleach, he wasn't talking about bleach.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He was talking about chlorine dioxide.
Michelle Herman: Yeah, you know, it's, it's really funny. Oh, did you see [00:55:00] there was something just came out, um, I don't know who published this, just about like, um, you know, uh, UV. Uh, treatment of, of vaccinated blood. It's like, so like everything he said, like, was totally accurate. And we just gave him all kinds of hell and it's like, all right, people.
Michelle Herman: Um, yeah. Uh, yeah. Like, cause, and actually what he said, I actually tried to find that. That clip at
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