Call with Pamela Swain (October 14th, 2021)

I received a suspicious looking subpoena, so I called the number on it thinking it was the Clerk of Court. Instead, an old woman answered and connected me to Pamela Swain.

My mic is on at about 2:20, but the first two minutes can be easily understood.

Episode on MATI.live:
https://madattheinternet.com/2021/10/14/a-conversation-with-pamela-swain/