Drawing Styles and More -128

Follow-up on the previous two videos. From a new response from “Antiguos” regarding the drawing mindset of painters like Michelangelo and Ingres as compared to an “impressionist in line” like Degas. And other points.

In Response to Angiquos

QUESTION: (Partial) Do you think Ingres couldn’t see? I bet he could as well as any impressionist, but his choice of “rendering “ is mainly based on form, not a visual impression... is just different schools of thought... you can draw and copy everything without any scientific knowledge I agree, but there’s a quote by Michelangelo and he said: a painter paints with his brains... you just can’t judge him based on naturalism, he had a styleakin to the Greek idea and certainly he was informed by the Venus when doing his statues, even if he used a woman as a model he was after monumentality, the grand manner based and informed by sculpture, if you look at Manet or even Ingres there is no sense of bones, but balloons...usually one can tell of a draftsman his lack of anatomy because he can’t see it...
A true painter would just paint as he sees , without any theory would he?Why then study any art or science if we paint or draw what we saw? I highly doubt that Houdon could have been made without a basic understanding of anatomy as you claim , Hale said drawing is a subconscious act, and it is when you master it, when you haven’t you draw consciously... anatomy is the same you do all those boring exercises, and read books... but when you stand in front of the model you just draw.... the knowledge is there and it shows....without even thinking it... the same goes with munsell. A system I am beginning to explore, because before I highly painted intuitively, so I see changes in it. I am pretty sure
if you can't see it first you won’t know it... no matter how much knowledge one has, a painter works with his hands, mind and eyes, and ultimately with his soul/ heart whatever you want to call it, it is what makes a poet not just a visual reporter as this new realistic academies tend to veer towards... very boring...I still stand on my statement,

Antiguos