Establishing Points in the Start -115

Two individuals asked about how to acquire some of the skills necessary to our approach to painting from life: a)grasping and b)establishing leading points.

In Response to
Jason and Gail

QUESTION: It looks to me like getting the correct placement of the leading elements correct is the biggest challenge. How long does it take your students to develop accuracy at that? If a student has never worked that way before, should they start with a lot of quick pencil or charcoal sketches like gesture drawings. How do you recommend starting to work this way?
Gail

After watching your DVD pencil drawing in the visual order, and having done some work in the sight-size method, as well as worked with construction drawing, how would you recommend a beginning student develop their eye with the visual order in mind? That is considering things like proportion, line, and value are yet to be under the control of the student. Should a student be using a needle and plumb line, is there any reason a student need to learn to do an outline (in reference to Gammell), shape, value etc.. essentially how does one learn to see? When considering that all things in drawing and painting being relational, the visual order makes the most sense, but its rather a daunting task when training the eye from the start to consider the possibilities.
Jason