The Epistemology of UFOs & Lab Leaks | Michael Shellenberger & Peter Boghossian

Author and investigative journalist Michael Shellenberger appreciates the challenge skeptics offer regarding the existence of UFOs (or UAPs—"Unexplained Aerial Phenomena"). Skeptics, true believers, and everyone in between have taken note of Michael’s reporting on the topic. In this conversation with Peter Boghossian, Michael explains his level of confidence about non-terrestrial aircraft.

Peter says the verified discovery of alien spacecraft would be as big of a revolution as humanity’s domestication of fire—and he wants it to be true but requires evidence. (Stay tuned for Peter’s talk with Michael Shermer where they discuss this issue in depth.)

Peter and Michael also discuss a more down to earth possible cover-up regarding the source of COVID-19. They explore free speech, censorship for adults vs. children, the Orwellian “Institute for Strategic Dialogue,” levels of societal hate, “crazy-making,” the attitudinal disposition to the truth as a basis of friendship, their friendship, and much more.

Michael Shellenberger is an author, investigative journalist, and the founder & president of Environmental Progress, a nonprofit research organization. He also co-founded the California Peace Coalition, an alliance of parents of children killed by fentanyl and parents of homeless addicts. Michael is the author of "Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism to the Politics of Possibility (with Ted Nordhaus)," "Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All," and most recently, "San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities. He also coauthored "An EcoModernist Manifesto."

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Chapters
0:00 Intro
2:50 Michael’s coverage of “alien craft”
13:46 Censorship & hate speech
28:00 Tweet from Institute for Strategic Dialogue
31:15 Clip of Bret Weinstein and Vivek Ramaswamy
35:00 Censorship around C-vid
41:25 Vivek Ramaswamy and Bret Weinstein clip about C-vid origins
45:00 Michael and Peter react to clip
47:10 How friendship keeps Michael and Peter going
1:00:00 Concluding conversation

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