Katie Porter, Piers Morgan Clash Over Riley Gaines’ Efforts to Keep Women’s Sports Fair

Rep. Katie Porter: "We should be able to have a civil debate. Nobody, including Riley Gaines, who I disagree with strongly, should be..."

Piers Morgan: "What do you disagree with? Out of interest.

Rep. Katie Porter: "I think it should be up to sporting bodies to make the decisions about who.."

Piers Morgan: "What has she said that is actually wrong?"

Rep. Katie Porter: "I think that what she has done is try to turn this.. we talked about people, you know, becoming... using things to kind of get likes and get clicks..."

Piers Morgan: "That's not what she's doing."

Rep. Katie Porter: "It's NOT??"

Piers Morgan: "I've got no problem with Riley Gaines personally, but all I've seen her do is stand up for women's rights. She actually competed against Lia Thomas, and it was obviously unfair. Lia Thomas won one of the NCAA races by 50 seconds against a bunch of biological females who simply could not keep up. That cannot be right. That cannot be fair."

Rep. Katie Porter: "That is something that I trust, I think our sporting bodies should be dealing with. and by the way, Riley is speaking up for herself, and that is her prerogative and I respect her free speech."

Piers Morgan: "I think she's speaking up for pretty much every female athlete in the world."

Bill Maher: "Wasn't that the point of Title 9? Title 9 was something in the early 70's. It was a MAJOR event in feminism. We finally have this law that says in colleges, and I think High Schools too, but definitely colleges- Women Sports have to be given equal to men's sports. So that woman aren't, you know- and this led to WNBA and lots of other stuff. This seems to be the opposite of that. There seem to be so many instances where wokeness is the opposite of what I grew up as liberalism. Liberalism was, let's give the women an equal shot. This is, let's put a male in the swimming pool with the women. I don't get it."

Piers Morgan: "It's crazy. And meanwhile, trans people who genuinely want to compete in athletics or swimming or whatever it may be. They're the one's who are suffering here. There needs to be found a way to compete fairly and justly."

Rep. Katie Porter: "Then what's your answer then?"

"I think there is one or two answers. Either they compete against their biological sex, as many of them did before. Or you create an entirely new category for transgender athletes. And then they are able to compete fairly. What you cannot do is continue to allow more and more transgender athletes to decimate women's records, in some cases irrevocably. It's just not fair."