DeSantis' War On Free Speech Is Just White Grievance Politics On Steroids

Suzanne Nossel joins the show to discuss how Ron DeSantis' war on free speech makes his 'Free State of Florida' into an authoritarian nightmare.

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Like off the top we have at least three laws that have been passed that essentially make it harder for teachers to teach things. I mean to have books. what just characterizes what's going on in Florida in a broad way relative to what you have seen in this space as it were. yeah look I mean relative to what I've seen in this space I have to say you know it remains pretty shocking to me what is happening here in our own country. We used to deal at pen America with book bans. we'd have one or two a year. You know a parent somewhere around the country would contact a librarian and ask for the book to be taken off the shelf. We'd write a letter, and usually, the book was put back. This is something categorically different: this is an assault on education on the freedom to learn. It's ideologically driven. Look, I understand some of the roots of this and I sympathize with the idea that some of the ways that we're instructing kids push the envelope further than parents and communities are comfortable with. that some certain ideas and perspectives feel off limits on particular campuses. It's hard to be a conservative on a college campus these days. and so that's legitimate. but to turn to legislation as the weapon of choice. which is what governor DeSantis and the Florida legislature have done to respond to informal censoriousness coming from the left with government-mandated edicts that prohibit certain ideas and books from being taught in classrooms that UPS the ante and that to me is inimical to the First Amendment and our freedom of speech. Where is that line? because I mean I think like you know a lot of these actions and we'll go through you know what these laws actually do and they sort of do two things right? I mean they do what is explicit and then they have sort of this almost this sort of atmosphere around the law that functions as you know in the chilling effect. and in some ways, that sort of like a membrane around the law because of its vagueness has an even worse impact. but where is the line here? like where do we go from you know these college students with their political correctness is you know sort of annoying and oppressive you know to me personally. because you know I can't. I can't express my ideas without criticism. and then where we cross the line into what is really sort of like genuinely well I don't want to say genuinely problematic because although that's what I do feel. but is sort of like an abuse of authority.