73. Dr. Lee Merritt, a discussion on the Ohio Disaster

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73. Dr. Lee Merritt, a discussion on the Ohio Disaster
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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Today. I have a wonderful guest. She's back again. She's certainly a friend. I, I would've hope I can call her a personal friend. But we have Dr. Lee Maridon and we're gonna be talking about what's going on in Ohio cuz she's been able to, to talk to a mutual friend who's been in the area.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: He's actually been downwind, if I'm not mistaken, is.

Dr Lee Merritt: You know, I, I, I gotta just say the first thing here is that we should always be skeptical. We've learned from Covid that you can really, you can have, they love visual presentations of things that just simply aren't true. And one of, and. It's, it's hard because people are afraid to speak out when they've got some, you know, crying woman saying it's killing my cats and my chickens and things like that.

Dr Lee Merritt: And you, you're, you know, hundreds of miles away and it's hard to argue with that. You hate to, you hate to, if it's true, you hate to, you know, question it. But we have to because we gotta realize that we're in a CGI world. And when you're in a [00:02:00] CGI world you have to get doubted, not just because you can see somebody crying on the phone.

Dr Lee Merritt: You know, we know in Dayton, Ohio, they had a, they had an actor's call for crisis actors before this. So there's things going on that don't make sense. You know, the, the, the whole, I, I don't know if you watched it, did you watch The White Noise? The, the, the movie that came out in 2022 that happened to just tell exactly what happened here?

Dr Lee Merritt: Theoretically,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I did not even hear about that movie until recently, but I haven't had a chance to watch it.

Dr Lee Merritt: Okay. Well, see that's one of the, you know, they lo there's, there's a concept of predictive programming. Jay Dyer talks about this a lot on his Hollywood stuff. I've interviewed him a couple times, said, It's not, I think it's not just about that.

Dr Lee Merritt: They, they feel in this, this creepy religion. They have to tell you what they're gonna do to you because then if they do it and you don't object, they don't have any karmic debt. I think that's what's going on. But in any case, you can call it predictive programming, whatever they seem to tell us ahead of time in movies, tv, all sorts of venues, what they're going to do.

Dr Lee Merritt: Well, about two years before this [00:03:00] hit in East Palestine, before this train rollover, they had a a movie that they filmed in that area. In fact, some of the people from East Palestine, Ohio were extras in the movie. And here they are in real life. Right? What's the chance? And the movie's theme is there's a train rollover.

Dr Lee Merritt: It puts out a big toxic black cloud, and it has toxicity that lasts for a long time and people are going to die earlier than they would have had this not happened to them. They didn't die as acutely very much, but they did. They will die later. That's the so you, again, it's one of those unprovable threats.

Dr Lee Merritt: And so in the movie, I, I went back, so I watched the movie when I heard about it. And, and it's pretty interesting, the, the, again, they know that words are not as effective as images. So I thought to myself a couple days ago, I said, you know, what is it now that's, it's, I've, I watched the movie maybe about, I don't know, a week ago ago, a week and a half ago, and I said, now it's, it's almost two weeks.

Dr Lee Merritt: What, what do I think that I remember from the movie? What are the scenes that burned into my eyeballs? Because [00:04:00] remember, I, I wish I had my little blue dryer ball here, but remember they showed you these picture. SAR of this, what they claimed was SARS COV two. Now they knew it was cgi, but they didn't tell us that it was that blue ball with those spikes out of there.

Dr Lee Merritt: And they're saying, oh man, that's, you know, that's really scary. And, and, and it just looked awful. You know? And every you, I ask people in lectures, I say, what is that thing? And they say, oh, that's SARS COV two, or the Spike protein, or, you know something. And, and I say, no, that's cgi. That doesn't exist.

Dr Lee Merritt: That's not an electron microscope. They make you think it is, but it's not. It's. Visual imagery from a computer. I said, it's not as really, it's not as dangerous as my dryer balls. I could put your eye out with them. So that's what's really going on here. And there's a lot of things you can do with cgi.

Dr Lee Merritt: Well, in this situation, they know that images are important. So they had this movie, and the first thing I do remember the movie is this huge black cloud. I mean, it's creepy and it's got electricity coming out of it. And the whole bit, well, the story goes that it [00:05:00] came in this town in Ohio, and it's a college town.

Dr Lee Merritt: And they, the, the professor has these kids, four kids or something, and his wife and everybody, and they end up fleeing in this, in this Volkswagen, in this black cloud. And he gets contaminated. And at the end of the movie they say, well, I'm okay now, but they say, I'm gonna die sooner than I would have.

Dr Lee Merritt: That's the punchline. The, the visual images are the black cloud. And then it turns out that he's being asked before this happens to give it a, a walk on lecture. So he's in this other classroom and it's kind of a circular surround the professor kind of classroom. And he's in there and he's wandering around and he's got an Oxford black robe on who, who accept Oxford Don's wear's a professorial black robe.

Dr Lee Merritt: We don't see that in this country, but it, but it's really creepy looking and it's got the big sleeves, you know, and you can make it, you know, so he's got that on and he's got dark hair and he looks like he could, you know, I bet he plays vampires in other movies. So, , he's [00:06:00] wandering around and he just happens to be an expert in Hitler.

Dr Lee Merritt: So he throws Hitler's name down a few times. And then at the end, what does he do? He, he, he gets his robe on and he leans forward and he says, he walks to these students, he looks at me, he says, death, death, death. I mean, that, that's the scene out of the movie. You remember? That's, that sounds ridiculous.

Dr Lee Merritt: This is the kind of thing they do. So it's, that's, that's the psyop part of it. Now, I, I will tell you too that the, the, I looked at the, when I started hearing all this, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. They're already talking about long-term toxicity. I haven't even heard what's in these train cars.

Dr Lee Merritt: So I found on the, on the web you could find the manifest, you could find out what the railroad says was in those train cars. And if you look at what the, the list is of what the toxic things are . I mean, most of them, two of them were just not even to worry about. Okay. One of 'em was called Buttle Accolade, and that's the thing that they're showing you when they show this oily [00:07:00] surface kind of stuff.

Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, if anybody's driven their car across their driveway or, or repeatedly, like go to a parking lot of a, of a gas station or something, and you'll see that, that, that if it's been raining or something, you'll see that little rainbow slick on the, on the water because that's what any hydrocarbon that doesn't mix with water will give you.

Dr Lee Merritt: Right. And that's what this is, but it. God and the world have great rejuvenative powers. I mean, that's why he made it this way. We can really solve this. Just leave it alone. Because what you're seeing are these news reporters kicking up the bottoms of Little Creeks and stirring it with a stick to make that show up.

Dr Lee Merritt: Just leave it alone. It deposits in the ground and it biodegrades over two weeks in the, in the, in the sun. It'll, it'll just evaporate out of the water or it just goes off to the side where it goes in the soil and biodegrades. So people are all upset about that, but they, the early on they were testing that downstream in the Ohio River, and it wasn't, it was really dilute already.

Dr Lee Merritt: By then, it was diluting out. [00:08:00] So yes, short term problem, if you have a shallow well or you drink directly out of the Ohio River, I probably wouldn't do it for a while or ever, but , but you know, most people with a deep, well, that's not gonna be an issue, probably. I mean, it doesn't get in the aquifer. Now here's the next thing.

Dr Lee Merritt: The next thing was ethylene glycol. and that, that's a big deal. Okay. Ethylene glycol is a big deal. It, it's, it's not good for the environment, but we all use it. It's antifreeze. And I mean, you're on a, you're on an air base, so what do they de-ice planes with? Oh, you're in, not in a place where it's icy, but in, if you were in, you know Alaska at the Air Force base, trust me, they'd be deicing planes and they use, they try to use ProPlan glycol cause it's not quite as toxic for the environment.

Dr Lee Merritt: But when it's too cold, they have to use ethylene glycol. So everybody worried about this. Realize when you're flying out of a cold environment, you know, coming out of Winnipeg, Canada, for example, and it's 60 below zero, I guarantee you they're gonna [00:09:00] spray ethylene glycol into the environment all over the wings of that plane.

Dr Lee Merritt: It's gonna, it's gonna flow down, it's going to work its way out. You know, when it rains and quits freezing, it's gonna work its way out into the grassy K Knowles on the side of the tarmac. And it's gonna, it's gonna be an issue in the environment, but it goes away eventually. Again, it biodegrades. . So what they're tr, so the one that they've kind of made a big deal about is vinyl chloride.

Dr Lee Merritt: There were four tankers of vinyl chloride. Now it rolled over, but it didn't burn. Those tankers were intact. They did not burn. But, but vol, vinyl chloride is highly volatile. It is a, it is a volatile liquid that is so, it's very flammable. It could explode. And here you've got it laying on in this tank that you can't move.

Dr Lee Merritt: What are you gonna do? I mean, I guess you could pump it out into another tank and move it, but that doesn't get rid of all the vinyl chloride in those tanks. It just gets rid of what you pump out. So they determined that they would do something and they were gonna burn it. Okay? They, they pumped it into a nearby ditch and they burned it, or they burned it in the car.

Dr Lee Merritt: I can't [00:10:00] remember, but whatever they did, they burned it. And I will tell you what everybody's saying is, oh, oh, when you burned that, it turns into dioxin. Agent Orange, you know, like Vietnam. It's gonna get in the, it's gonna get in our water supply and our food and everything. . See, that's a mix, in my opinion.

Dr Lee Merritt: Unless they purposely mixed it with, with old plastic sacks, you know, and PVC tubing. That doesn't happen to vinyl chloride. I've looked at the, at the actual OSHA and NIOSH and, what do you call it? There's a journal, I can't think of the name of the journal now, but it's a journal. I looked up what, what?

Dr Lee Merritt: How they follow it. I mean, these guys do studies on this. They know about it. There are chemists out there doing this. And what they say about vinyl chloride is it turns into hydro hydrochloric acid and ultimately co2. It'll go through, it'll, it'll give off some fagen. Fagen is the World War I Gas, but it's, it, it, it disperses rapidly.

Dr Lee Merritt: So it was only good in World War I in the trenches, you know, it didn't, it, it drops to the ground and it spreads out. It might have had some toxicity if you were [00:11:00] right around the burn right then, but it doesn't last for long cuz it's going to disperse in the atmosphere and be so dilute as to not be anything.

Dr Lee Merritt: And it breaks down to carbon dioxide and hydrochloric acids. So at the end of the day when you burn vinyl chloride, you get hydrochloric acid now. Yes. Acid rain. People have heard about that. They've heard, you know, that was a problem when we were spewing out sulfuric acid outta the factories. We don't do that anymore.

Dr Lee Merritt: You notice we don't talk about acid rate, we don't talk about deforestation or these acid lakes in, in Canada because we quit doing it. We just got the, we cleaned up the factories. So this is the difference. I tell people just in simple non-technical terms, okay, do you have a problem burning gasoline? And the answer is no.

Dr Lee Merritt: It's a hydrocarbon, but you burn it because it burns clean. You could burn your, you could, you could light it a fly, a flame with your leaves in the yard. I don't recommend this with gasoline. And it would go poof, and you would not have toxicity from that gasoline, but try burning your [00:12:00] tires. So see you, you can make PVC as the problem with dioxin.

Dr Lee Merritt: This is why when you burn trash, and it has P pro, it has polyvinyl chloride and, and the, and various different similar things in it, like making plastic bags, plastic cups. Who knows what, if you burn trash in the backyard, you're producing a little bit of dioxin. because it doesn't burn clean. It's, it's a mixed bag.

Dr Lee Merritt: It just, it doesn't go poof. Vinyl chloride is like gasoline, your trash, and that, that's, that's like burning rubber tires. That's what gives you dioxide. Don't, don't do that. Don't burn it in your garden. I mean, if, don't, you know, people object when you burn, smelling, smelly rubber tires, they don't object to gasoline.

Dr Lee Merritt: So there's a reason, and that's what's going on here. And I honestly think, what's the motive here? Because short-term toxicity isn't what they're looking for. They're going to, they want to convince people this is long-term toxicity, because where did this cloud go? They know what the wind pattern is. It goes east.

Dr Lee Merritt: So the cloud went east, it went into the Ohio Basin, and it [00:13:00] went into the, the Amish farm country, the big farms in Ohio that are some of the beautiful productive farms in this country. And also that land has very rich minerals, very rich things under the soil. So, When, when my friend Pete Chambers and you know, Lieutenant Colonel Pete Chambers retired army, he went down there, I call him, by the way, I call him Action Jackson, because he's always on site Whenever there's something going on, he's there,

Dr Lee Merritt: But he he went there and I asked him, I said, okay, Pete, are you seeing dead animals? No. Are you seeing, are you coughing and sneezing and are you seeing toxicity? And he said, not where I am. And I'm right under the cloud. I mean, where that cloud went. I'm talking to the Amish farmers, I'm talking to the non armies farmers, the ranchers.

Dr Lee Merritt: They don't have any dead animals, and they're not seeing a problem. What they all set to a person, they said, th this happens all the time here. EPAs wants to take, you know, they want to take our land and we're not leaving. That's what he told me. And I think that's it. But I found another thing. I, I think I sent him this.

Dr Lee Merritt: And I'll tell [00:14:00] you, I found another thing. That this could be, if you look at the, and this is the one thing I was trying to look up before we started, and I can't find where I put the note, but if you look at the, the code of federal regulations on, on using chemical and biologic agents against citizens within the nation.

Dr Lee Merritt: In other words, the, the, the Secretary of Defense has come out and said, we don't use, it is not legal to experiment on the American people with chemical or biologic agents. It's not, it's not legal. Well, that sounds good. Good for them, except accept the exceptions. And then they have this whole list of exceptions.

Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, they have a whole list of exceptions. Now, the first group of exceptions, interestingly, is in case it's okay if you're doing experiments for agriculture, medicine, pharmacology, or you know, blah, blah, blah. So essentially they've already given them the out for everything. But one of the things that it's okay to, to experiment on us with is if you've been exposed to a toxic agent, Okay.

Dr Lee Merritt: To use experimental things, okay. To experiment on on us if you've been [00:15:00] exposed to a toxic agent, so see, we can say now, well, we don't know exactly the outcome here, but you guys have all been exposed to these toxins. We recommend that we give you this experimental drug because we think you're gonna have a problem in the future.

Dr Lee Merritt: That's now legitimate.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Does that law and have any removal of informed consent in it?

Dr Lee Merritt: It, it, it talks about informed consent, but doesn't define. , it's supposed to be individual but doesn't define it. So again, if you have a moral belief that just telling you in general what's going to happen is enough.

Dr Lee Merritt: Then they did it. Okay? They told us, oh, and they also prepared us three months before this thing in Ohio. They, they offered this whole program and you could see the chief of the EMT service or something. I think it was more fire chief talking, and they're saying how they want a hundred percent of the people to get this system because for $20 you can get a wristband and it carries your little q r s code that has all your data so we can really take better care of [00:16:00] you.

Dr Lee Merritt: You couldn't pay me to get one of those things , you know? And why three months ago did they do it in East Palestine? . You see, you can't make this up. I mean, anybody paying attention, we should not, we should not all just allow ourselves to be tricked. Again, when we saw what, what, what Covid was, COVID wasn't a disease.

Dr Lee Merritt: It was a program, and they rolled it out over decades and they, they told you what they were gonna do. They, they, they, they built infrastructure years ahead of time. They, you know, we, Richard Rothchild has the patent in 2015 for Covid 19 testing. And the, and the fact checkers, by the way, came out and said, oh no, that's, that's, he's not, that, he's not one of the rothchilds.

Dr Lee Merritt: Well, I don't care if he is or not. The point is, in two, in, in international and our National Patent Office, it shows up as Covid 19 testing. Now, I remember when they were pretending to choose the name Covid 19, in December of 2019. Okay? Don't tell me they had the name in 2015. So that's all it was all just [00:17:00] Kabuki theater.

Dr Lee Merritt: And that's what's happening here. , it's kabuki theater because here's another reason in the time that this has happened, now there are things that are worrisome when you have chemical plant fires. That's not a con, that's not a I wouldn't say it's controlled burn, but they called it that. But basically a, a, a think about if you didn't have a controlled burn, just let it sit there and the thing went exploded.

Dr Lee Merritt: That's an uncontrolled burn. Okay? So putting it in addition than burning it is still more controlled. But it, at the same time this is happening. There's a big chemical fire in Russia. You wonder what happened there. And there's a big chemical fire in Texas going on chemical plant fire that just got over, I think.

Dr Lee Merritt: But see, that's a mixed bag. You don't know what's burning. You don't know what's mixing together. I find that much more concerning, but you're not hearing anything about it. In fact, how many people know that in November of 2022, I think it was November, that they had the, the Illinois National Guard was called out because of a big chemical plant fire in rock.

Dr Lee Merritt: Ford, I think it was Rockford, [00:18:00] Illinois. I mean, they called out the National Guard. They thought it was a big deal. And see, we never heard about that. So we're being told, you know, some things, but we're not being, you know, we have to keep the big picture in mind. Don't trust these guys. That's the big picture.

Dr Lee Merritt: Don't trust them, what they're telling you. And I, I think this is going to turn out, I, I'm with Pete Chambers and and, and Kesteren from Bards fm. He, Scott Kesteren, he told me this too. He think they, they both think this is a land acquisition plan. . Remember BLM burning down the cities in the summer?

Dr Lee Merritt: You know, that's like that ex FEMA or the Catherine Austin Fitz. And she was showing that when she actually looked at the places that were burning, they weren't random. They were all in these special tax zones where the big guys could buy this stuff up at a song and get some tax benefit and it would, it, it aided their land acquisition.

Dr Lee Merritt: She said it, it wasn't random looting, it was land acquisition. And I think that's what we're seeing here. Catherine Austin Fitz.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I went to med school in Ohio [00:19:00] and one thing that, that everybody knew about is in the 1970s, I think it was the Cuyahoga River, it caught on fire. So, I mean, this is not, you know, unfortunately we haven't been always the best stewards in that area of the world.

Dr Lee Merritt: But they're coming after the Amish who are, and I think that's another, that's another sidelight here. You know, these are the two Amish farmers that one of 'em I know got fined like $220,000. They tried to set, shut down his farming operation because why? Because he wouldn't vaccinate his cattle and he wouldn't do some of the other stuff.

Dr Lee Merritt: And he wanted to sell raw dairy stuff. There's a lot of evidence coming out now that raw milk is safer than pasteurized milk for giving. It doesn't give you the autoimmune disease and other problems. So, and I, I didn't really look into all that, but that's what I've heard that that's coming out. And I know a lot of people that they can't drink regular milk.

Dr Lee Merritt: They say they have milk allergy, but they can do the raw milk. So I'm not here to argue that one way or another, but I'm just pointing. He was doing that and they shut him down and tried [00:20:00] to find him, but he won in court at least a, at least a preliminary thing. I don't know if it's finalized, but both of these guys, I think, won in court.

Dr Lee Merritt: So now we are in a situation where they can't destroy our food supply by vaccinating our cattle. They were gonna do that. And, and I'm gonna tell you, that's the big, the big play here, besides land acquisition. The big play is depopulation and control. And how did they, you know, we've seen it over and over, and, and you probably know this, I, I had a, an ex-husband who was a marine colonel, and he always used to say, at the end of the day, warfare is about.

Dr Lee Merritt: Calorie control about who c who has the calories. Because if you can feed your own people, you can withstand a long siege. If you can't, if the other guy can't feed his, he can't you know, it's like who can build weapons in, in Europe right now, only the Russians. Everybody else doesn't have a power. So, so that's what's going on.

Dr Lee Merritt: And in, in the BOLs, the same people giving us this show are the same people that took down Christian Russia by the Bolsheviks. And how did they finally do it? They had to kill the most productive [00:21:00] farmers, the oxs that were very independent. So I see that. This is, this is step one towards that. I mean, they're not killing us yet, but they're, they, they, they've tried to get us off our land through all these nonsensical, you know, floodplain all sorts of stuff.

Dr Lee Merritt: Artificial flooding of the Missouri River. I believe in that. It's crazy stuff that's been happening around here and, you know, requiring all these things that are very expensive, but the farmers are hanging on. And we should all support our local farmers because that's our food supply. You might think you get it from the local grocery store, but they wanna starve you and you don't.

Dr Lee Merritt: If you, if the local farmer goes down, you're not gonna get it from these industrial farmers like Bill Gates because he's gonna use his land for something else and he's gonna give you home lab grown made with human cells, cannibalistic meat. I suspect, you know, that's what you don't want. So we have to really stand up.

Dr Lee Merritt: And for our food supply

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: or the Beyond Burger, which is toxic plant sludge You and I were kind of [00:22:00] talking about this earlier, about you know, you recently had a tragedy with your chickens, but you're repopulating your chickens. I recently got some chickens, and this is, this might be a good time to think about getting animals around your house if you can't, not animals for, for pleasure, but animals that can provide for you, whether it be a goat, a cow, chickens.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You know, you can eat the chickens. You can eat the eggs. You can eat the eggs until they quit laying. Then you eat the chicken. And we even discussed,

Dr Lee Merritt: although layers, layer hands, if they're, they're toughest, they're toughest leather, you don't want to eat those. But if you're desperate, you would . Yeah, they're toughest suit I in good soup.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. . And then we even discussed a little bit, and I, I'd like to mention this a little bit, but cuz I have a freeze dryer and I believe you do too. But a way to preserve your food. And this isn't supposed to be a commercial, I am an recent affiliate of harvest. Right. Only because I truly believe in their equipment.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I think it's great. Actually right now, I'm earlier today, I, I, I started onions and garlic to use as my own seasonings. That way I don't have to buy whatever it comes from China. I can either [00:23:00] grow it myself or buy organic and I can chop it up, freeze, dry it, powderize it, and I can use it on, on my food.

Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, that's a great idea. You know, and I will tell you a secret if you haven't done it yet, I, now, I didn't do it with onions and garlic, but I was thinking about other spices. So I have lots of nice things, like I grow oregano and basal and you know, all the different things, parsley. And so one year I thought, now I figured out how to do it, but the first year I tried to do it, I put it in my harvest, right on the trays and I had it all down there, got it really dry, and I have my harvest right in a shed.

Dr Lee Merritt: And I walked out of the shed with this tray of freeze dried basal, and poof, it blew away , you know, that's, in fact, I had two of 'em and my friend had two of 'em, and they all floor blew away. It was a complete, wasted lo load, you know, . I was like, oh my gosh, how stupid. So now I just put 'em right into sacks, right at the time.

Dr Lee Merritt: Don't even touch the stuff. I just put it right in there, crumple it in the sacks, and you have beautiful dry you don't even have to freeze 'em, you just could just kind of keep 'em on your shelf. So it's great. I also do eggs. [00:24:00] You could freeze dry eggs, you can do eight dozen at a time. . That's awesome.

Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. On four, on the four tray system,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I did some eggs before we did one of our PCSs, and then three years after I preserved him and freezed dried him and stuck him away, we opened it up. It was still delicious. My, I couldn't get my son to stop eating it. It was so good, and I wouldn't want to because it's a strong food.

Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. Now did you make them in like scrambled eggs?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I scrambled them and put some cheese. And they were,

Dr Lee Merritt: yeah, that's what I do too. And honestly, they're very good, but they're very rich because you're probably, you know, it's like one of those trays is two dozen. So what I have in a little tiny package is essentially two dozen eggs.

Dr Lee Merritt: Normally your son doesn't get to eat two dozen eggs all at once. So he got a lot of, lot of good calories. That's what you tend to eat more, I think, when you do it that way, because you don't dilute it out completely like it was. But they're. Yeah. Now I tried, I, by the way, I also tried glassing eggs and that, that's it.

Dr Lee Merritt: It works, but it's not as, it's, it's, if you did it for [00:25:00] just a short period of time it's okay. I tried to do it now. I, I've done it. These are year old that are in my Crocs right now. I've had one bad egg. But th they're fine. You can fry 'em. Like those are good for making a fried egg, but they're not, when you're spoiled by home raised chicken eggs, the whites kind of just splay out and they're not, they're a little more like old store eggs, you know?

Dr Lee Merritt: But again, we're talking about for a contingency.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. This is a, this is a technique where you put 'em in a jar with lime. Not, not the, the lime, like the, the fruit, but the, the powder lime.

Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah, the powdered lime powdered pickling lime. And there's a, a poor proportion, I think it's a quarter cup. Quarter cup of that per quart.

Dr Lee Merritt: And you just mix it up, puts your, put it in your crock, and then just. Slowly put these things down and if you crack one, you want to take that out. Don't you have, and you can't. This has, you cannot use store bought eggs. These have to be right from the chicken. So, you know, what I would do is just, if, if I had chickens, this is what I would do.

Dr Lee Merritt: [00:26:00] Cuz I, these are my hypothetical chickens. But what I would do is I would take them. Yeah. Well, because technically in town they're illegal. So in my hypothetical chickens, on my eight and a half acres of undevelopable, Timberland , I, I carefully layer them down and I , I pick out the, under the chicken, I pick out, I would pick out the ones that had no, nothing, no, no poop on it or anything.

Dr Lee Merritt: They're clean, they, they look clean to the eye. And then I would use those cuz you can't wash 'em. You gotta put 'em right in there. . Yeah. This is like hypothetical chickens is like not telling anybody to use chlorine dioxide, but if I were, if it were me, I'd do it. You know, , I use it, but I don't recommend it cause I don't wanna go to jail

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right, right, right. And, and when you have your own laying eggs at home, they when they first lay, you don't wanna wash 'em because they have like, there's a film or something on the egg that helps preserve the egg on the shelf for a very long period of time. But if you wash 'em, they need to go in the fridge cuz it takes that off and does something to the pores in the egg and changes it.[00:27:00]

Dr Lee Merritt: But I do say, here's the thing about that. The problem is that if it rains or your chicken's, you know, it's muddy or something. Those, those things, you don't wanna put 'em in your refrigerator like that. They just look terrible. I mean, they're covered with dirt and chicken shit. You know, I don't, so I, I don't wash 'em with soap or anything, but I do, I do just go like that.

Dr Lee Merritt: I put 'em, when I come in, I just put 'em in water and I let 'em soak a little bit and then I just kind of rub 'em with my hands and that's enough. But they last for six weeks. That way they'll last forever.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Right? And the reason why two doctors are talking about food and sustainability is because you need to have food at your house.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, they can't make that any more clear. You need to have food for you, your family, and if you're able to, you need to have it for your local community as well, for whoever as far out as you can reach. If it just be your neighbors, a couple more neighbors down the street if you have capacity to have many chickens, now is the time to do it, because the next year may be rough.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Hopefully I'm wrong, but it never hurts to be self. . [00:28:00]

Dr Lee Merritt: And, you know, my grandparents they didn't call it prepping. It's so funny. I, you know, when I started hearing that term prepping, you know, a number of years ago, I thought, what are they talking about? Because in my lifetime, that's just what we called being an Iowan.

Dr Lee Merritt: Everybody stored food. Everybody knew how to can, everybody had a garden, everybody stored food. Many people in town had chickens in those days. That's just the way it was. And, you know, in World War ii, it's good to note that in World War ii, 50, almost 50% of the food that was produced during times of rationing, remember they had rationing in World War ii, like butter and things.

Dr Lee Merritt: 50% of the wor of the, of the food produced during World War II were done in Liberty Gardens, people's backyard gardens, even in the city. So people should realize that everybody should be doing this, and it can, it can make the difference between saving your community. I'm kind of shocked at how few people in, in rural areas anymore know, know these skills.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. And, and they could very well save your life. It's good to learn them now and, and [00:29:00] practice it before you need to know it.

Dr Lee Merritt: And then we get into the issue of protection of your property and family, like the, what we're seeing with these overreach of government agencies. And I have to tell you, this is, this is sounds crazy and I've heard this for years, and I never, I never, I just thought it was just too, , yeah.

Dr Lee Merritt: About the national, about being a state national and not, and, and what was really happening with our government. So I've been saying ever since Covid that we're, what, what we're watching in Washington DC is kabuki theater. It's just not making sense. Ever since the so-called Biden inauguration, I said, that's, that it's not optically.

Dr Lee Merritt: Right. And, and I'm sure you noticed it. I mean, the military wasn't right. The, the whole procedure wasn't right. I said, something is not right here. And lots of things have been wrong. I mean, the, so, I gotta say, and, and Washington, DC I, I understand there are only two buildings downtown. I used to live there.

Dr Lee Merritt: Went to the Pentagon all the [00:30:00] time, went to these embassy parties. It's a, usually it's a, it's like the, it's like Las Vegas. Like there's a city that never sleeps. It's, or the New York, the city of the left. It's like Washington DC does that too. There are always people moving around that capitol. It's dead.

Dr Lee Merritt: And if you look at pictures now, the, it's all empty down there. It's dead. And I understand from people on the ground, there are only two buildings open, the treasury and the visitors center to the White House. So what's going on here? Well, I'll tell you. So I, I first went down this rabbit hole because I spoke at Red Pill and I, and I was listing G Edward Griffin's program, red Pill.

Dr Lee Merritt: And it's really a great, if you ever have a chance to go to one. And I, I was standing waiting to speak, so I'm behind the screen and a guy named Payman Malti was speaking on the law about income taxes and what income taxes really are all about. And I listened to him and I said, you've got to be kidding me.

Dr Lee Merritt: That was my. You know, the opening salvo to my kind of waking up to, maybe this is true, that our [00:31:00] government's fraudulent because what he explains is that you have a huge book of tax code, okay? And when you go to your tax attorney, which I had as a spine surgeon, I had a tax attorney, I had accountant, you know, I had an office manager.

Dr Lee Merritt: I mean, my bill paying was went on forever. , really, they're just dealing with the tax code. They're not dealing with congressional law. So when you read the congressional law, here's what it says, and this is kind of crazy, but this is what it says. It says that, you know, in every, in every aspect of the tax code, they define their terms.

Dr Lee Merritt: And only these terms apply. This was actually adjudicated at the Supreme Court level. That common length, common use of the language does not apply. It's what we tell you in these terms for this legal position. And this is what we tell you on, on taxes. So for example, in the paragraph on oil exploration, it says if you're going to explore for oil in the United States or these territories, you have to pay a tax.[00:32:00]

Dr Lee Merritt: And for the purpose of this paragraph, the United States is defined as the 50 states the, the 50 states of the union, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it names the states. Okay? Then you get down to the paragraph on internal revenue, the federal income tax. Okay. And it says, for the purpose of this paragraph.

Dr Lee Merritt: And these definitions are the only ones that apply, not, not any other definitions, any other part of this document, only for this paragraph, and no other common use of the language tells you that again. Okay? And then it says all citizens of the United States are subject to the federal income tax. And the, the all citizens of the United States and District of Columbia are fed subject to the federal income tax.

Dr Lee Merritt: For this purpose, the United States is defined as the District of Columbia. . So , essentially it says only pe. It says people that are living or are working for businesses. Home boarded in the District of Columbia. So if you're, if you're a member of the post office, if [00:33:00] you're working for the post office, the work, you're in the military, you're subject to the income tax cuz your business is headquarters is home imported in the District of Columbia.

Dr Lee Merritt: But for the rest of us that aren't, aren't working for the District of Columbia and don't live in the District of Columbia, the income, the federal income tax does not apply to us. And this was looked at by multiple IRS agents. You can find these videos now are coming out with these IRS agents. They took up the $60,000 challenge to try and.

Dr Lee Merritt: The income tax was required and they couldn't do it, and they quit and they show these, they, they give their testimony on video. Now they help people. You know, that's what's going on. It's, it's, it's a, it's, it may be even creepier than that. The next step is this whole issue of do we really have a federal government, like we think we do, because, In 1861, I just, I, again, I'm, I'm not a lawyer, but I can read.

Dr Lee Merritt: And in 1861 it is true, 11 states left. The, this is in the congressional record. 11 states left these, the [00:34:00] congress because those states were seceding from the union, right? So yet 1861 Abraham Lincoln, the SI 11 states leave. There's no quorum. That means the Congress did not have a quorum. So now that, that, there's a term sin, ADA or something as s i n e space, d i e and that, and basically the, the Congress never adjourned and they never reconvened.

Dr Lee Merritt: So to run the government Abraham Lincoln had to evoke, invoke the emergency War Powers Act. And so it's being run under executive direction, under the War Powers Act ever since. That apparently is true in fact. It's the, the 14th Amendment then was not ratified. And that's a big, they're, you can look this up yourself.

Dr Lee Merritt: It's in the congressional record. They have this, I think it was from Louisiana. These congressmen from Louisiana are there, and they're discussing this and they're saying the 14th Amendment was not [00:35:00] ratified. And, and what it was for was to financially take over the workings of the federal government.

Dr Lee Merritt: And they, they go through this whole thing, but it's like three pages in the, in the federal record. So they did in fact discuss this. I looked this all up and, and so I've been kind of going down that it's amazing. It's amazing. So w we may have a sham government that has been kabuki theater for a very long time.

Dr Lee Merritt: That's shocking to most people.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I remember one thing about this line of thought is, and everybody go, you know, don't take my word for it, but go look at all of your, your documents that have anything to do with money, your banking statements, your credit card statements, and look at your name. It's not the traditional way of spelling your name.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: It's not a capital letter. And then go to lowercase and then a capital letter, and then go to lowercase. It's all caps.

Dr Lee Merritt: And apparently that started at this time. Now, in 1871, that's when it got corporatized,

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: right? Or it's the corporate, the straw man [00:36:00] of, of your body. And I take responsibility for the straw man.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But if I don't take responsibility, then I'm not responsible for what the straw man has to do. And as a human, an actual living sovereign human, I don't need to take responsibility for what the straw man takes responsibility for.

Dr Lee Merritt: Right. And so the Americans in Action are giving a seminar in Des Moines, Iowa on April 1st and second.

Dr Lee Merritt: I'm gonna go, I, I'm gonna learn about this because I, just, for fun, I, I listen to one of their lectures and I, they, they, they do a repu, they talk about doing a repudiation of getting yourself out of the corporation. I'm not repudiating being an American. I'm a proud American. I'm a patriot. I, I, I love my country, but I don't wanna be a member of the Corpor.

Dr Lee Merritt: I wanna follow this, if you know, and the United Yeah, that's right. I'm under the Constitution, so, you know, and I'm, and I'm a living, breathing child of God. I'm not a corporate entity that's dead according to them. So if that's all true, I mean, what you do is you write a repudiation to the federal government, and [00:37:00] what they're saying is that people that have done this and have asked to have their passport status changed because now they're a state citizen, they're a state sovereign, or state national is what they call it.

Dr Lee Merritt: When you are, you know, the state of Texas is different than the state of Nebraska. We are separate countries that, you know, interact, but we are not the same. We are not under the same government. We are under a confederation essentially. So what happens is when you do that and you repudiate this, this corporate citizenship, your, you get diploma, you get limited diplomatic immunity applied to your passport.

Dr Lee Merritt: And the people that have done this said, whoa, you can't see it different. It looks the same, but you give it to, if you have a friend on the sheriff's department that can run your passport, they'll go, whoa, who are you? That's what, that's what Christo's Hartman that gives this lecture said, so I haven't done it yet.

Dr Lee Merritt: I'm just, but I will tell you the spiritual journey. I decided I, they have these examples of these letters of repudiation. So I took one of these and that's how I got into this. I started reading what she had written, [00:38:00] and then I verified every fact that she had put in there and a couple I couldn't verify.

Dr Lee Merritt: So I didn't, I left them outta my letter. But it, it really, you put down there is what you're asking for is to be out of the corporation and to be considered a, you know, I'm, I'm declaring my, my. Nationhood with my state of blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it does all that. And then it tells you the reasons why. Just like the declaration of independent writers wrote the, the reasons, okay.

Dr Lee Merritt: And we certainly have the same reasons in some of the cases, like when they said that that King George had sent out his minions, hither and thither to, you know, harass and tax the people and eat out their life's blood. It sounds just like what's happening with all this overregulation now. But I read what she had written and I started just thinking about my own and I'd been hurting.

Dr Lee Merritt: I heard in this lecture that they give Americans an action, that it's a spiritual journey, writing this letter. And I thought, how could that be? You know, but didn't. But any case, I'll do it. I'll just see what it does. I started writing and I started writing my points about why I wanted to get out of it.

Dr Lee Merritt: And [00:39:00] suddenly it really was, it's like my soul popped open and I said, oh my gosh, I cannot live in this, this fraud again, I cannot take part in this because first of all, I don't wanna, this is what I realized just on the federal income tax part. I asked a guy down at Red Pill, I, who's got a lot of money, I said, are you doing this?

Dr Lee Merritt: And he said, morally, I just can't give these bastards my money anymore. And I, and I, I kind of, I, yeah, I I took that to heart.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Well, it's not staying here, it's being used to kill children. It's being used to go to Ukraine and fight wars that we want nothing to do with, to, to, to poke a guy in the face and to start a nuclear war.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Nobody wants that. You know, I think just recently, and I don't know if this is a deep fake video, but with the guy over in Ukraine, he said, you know, your children, your, your boys and girls will come over here and die for us. No, we won't. . No, we won't, we will not do that. I guarantee it. Right.

Dr Lee Merritt: I was, yeah. I don't think we're gonna put up with a draft to go do that.

Dr Lee Merritt: And I don't think their boys should die for it either. that, that's a whole nother ugly [00:40:00] story. What's really going on over there? That's another we could talk about sometime, cuz that's really ugly. Including the fact that Ukraine is the biggest seller of body parts. It's a big body parts sex trafficking, adrenal krome, everything.

Dr Lee Merritt: But what's happening actively as we speak, as the, as these Ukrainian young men are sacrificed by NATO on the battlefield, there's a company called the Mozart Group and they're over getting their body parts. They're harvesting organs from these guys that are maybe dead, maybe almost dead. You know what I mean?

Dr Lee Merritt: And the mothers in Ukraine are like, mothers everywhere are saying, where's my son's body? Well, they just harvested their organs and, and disposed of them. That's what's, that's what's happening. We don't wanna be any part of that. And that's what I'm saying. That's why, that's why I think this is really important that people understand we are not under a constitutional government anymore.

Dr Lee Merritt: We're under a rogue foreign state essentially. And there, you know, when, if real human beings ever wanted to fight each other [00:41:00] and kill each other, you know I mean, Christian ministers in this country have been proselytized to believe that they should support Ukraine, when in fact they're rounding up Christian priests and ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine.

Dr Lee Merritt: And, and on the other hand, 30,000 churches have stood up under Putin in, in Russia. They're not being told the truth here, what's going on. But that's why I think this is important. I, I think that everybody should look at this and think about it because you, you're not gonna lose anything. It looks like you're actually gonna gain.

Dr Lee Merritt: And for you and me, by the way, here's the other thing, is, When you look at the, and I would love to have you do this in your state medical boards. Okay. They just decided, by the way, to, to drop their investigation on me after I wrote the chief of the board. And I said, why are you investigating me for what the governor is saying, , you know, I was saying the same thing.

Dr Lee Merritt: Don't mandate the military, but too late. But what, what the point though is, is that the medical board, I can't find where it's being paid by our state legislature, but I can tell you it might be that I [00:42:00] can't find it, but I've got some people out looking for that. But what I can tell you is the legislature has no legislative authority over the medical board.

Dr Lee Merritt: they claim they did that so that there would be no interference. That was political. Well, of course it's still political. It's just you let this foreign agent do it. So, so now we don't have legislative control over it. The governor can't control it. So it's n it's without any elected official control in my state.

Dr Lee Merritt: And then it, you discover that it's being manipulated and actually can be fined if it doesn't do the bidding of the Federation of State Medical Boards. Now, the Federation of State Medical Boards, all that's, I always thought it was just a big lobbying thing in, in DC and that's bad enough. It's a corporation that is incorporated in the state of Texas.

Dr Lee Merritt: So it's an international corporation. This international corporation. We have a member from Iowa who's also practicing medicine in New Zealand and the F S M B is telling his board to thump him in New Zealand. So it's using the same [00:43:00] words all around the world. This, this organization that is. That is incorporated in Texas.

Dr Lee Merritt: So what what it says to me is that this is an A, we have a foreign agent in our state granting or prohibiting the practice of medicine. What, what's their jurisdiction?

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I just got a letter from the Texas Medical Board just this past week saying that I have to go before a litigation council. I gave them a letter from the government, from Department of Health Agency saying that my privileges were restored and it never should have been, never should have been reported to the National Practitioner Data Bank.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And now, after getting that letter, I have to go before litigation.

Dr Lee Merritt: Well, no you don't. Maybe , maybe you should, maybe, because here's what I'm gonna, here's what I would recommend. I'm not saying I'm a lawyer, but just consider this. See, I wrote to, I did my, I thought I was, you [00:44:00] know, This was legal and they were under, they had the jurisdiction and all this kind of stuff, and I thought it mattered.

Dr Lee Merritt: So I kept writing. Every time they'd ask me for information, I'd send it to 'em. I didn't send 'em patient charts, but I sent them my information, why I did this and what, why I believed about this and that, and the other thing and why I said this. And I did that several times. This went on over a year and a half, and finally I realized that every letter that had come to me was signed by a, a police investigator, not a doctor, not a member of the board, a police investigator that sits on the board.

Dr Lee Merritt: And when you go and appear before the board, like, I haven't done that, but I've had friends that do it. Who runs the meeting. It's not a doctor, it's the assistant attorney general of the state. In many kind cases I've seen, I've been on three of these and three states did this. Okay. I think Merrill NASS just went against for the fourth time as brought up in front of Maine.

Dr Lee Merritt: So the point I'm making is, are the doctors on the board even aware of the investigations going on? Is [00:45:00] who pays for the federal investigator or this, this special investigator, which we never had them in my whole time in medicine. I've never seen these guys before. They just showed up a few years ago. We, who are they?

Dr Lee Merritt: Where did they come from? Who pays them and what gives them the authority to do these investigations? So I wanted to know for sure that the chairman of the board actually knew what was going on. So, out of courtesy, you know, I wrote a letter surgeon to surgeon. I said, you know, Dr. So-and-so, do you know that I'm just a, I'm just writing you as a courtesy because I want to make sure that you're in the loop.

Dr Lee Merritt: In all fairness, I did wanna make sure that he was in the loop. That he wasn't just, you know, volunteering his time again, thinking he's a good guy, that he's doing his job for the state and he's a, you know, a doctor with a lot of standing in the state and he should do a as cuz you don't get paid much.

Dr Lee Merritt: And it's just a courtesy kind of thing to be on the board. So I just said, why you realize they're coming after me for what the governor has [00:46:00] just requested of the Biden administration not to mandate the military, have any mandated vaccines. And that's all I was saying. When you're, you're, you're, it's about speech.

Dr Lee Merritt: It's not about patient care. , right? So maybe it's worth a letter, you know, to the chairman of the board who's a physician, the guy who's the physician. Because what they don't realize is that they, they are violating civil rights under the color, color of law. And that's a, that's an offense. You can, that's a codified offense.

Dr Lee Merritt: And in, in, when that, in certain cases when that has to do with civil rights that lead to people's death it's, it's a very severely punishable offense. So they shouldn't be involved in this. Our fellow physicians have to understand their culpability about being involved in all this.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: That's a great point.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'll talk to my lawyer about that and and see if I can do that. Cuz it seems like no doctor is aware of what's going.

Dr Lee Merritt: Yeah. Here's something [00:47:00] else you learn. Interestingly, I learned this from Carrie Maday. That's the, she's the person that got me down on this, doing the state national and introducing these people.

Dr Lee Merritt: So anyway, it turns out that, let's say you're, let's say you are gonna go to jail for battery, I don't know, you know, assault and battery or something. You have, there are three people that sign your confinement paperwork. The judge, the prosecuting attorney and your attorney, and they all get paid. Even if you lose the case, it turns out that there's money that changes hands to your attorney who's defending you, even when you lose the case.

Dr Lee Merritt: So, are they acting in your interest, you know, or they acting just to get these cases checked through. And, you know, if you're a member of the bar, the bar stands for British. Agency registration. I believe the think the is agency, British Agency Registration. In other words, they've actually, it's not something for [00:48:00] America.

Dr Lee Merritt: It's under our courts are under the British law courts.

Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is that under the, our, because I've heard of the city of London and how that's different than the actual capital London.

Dr Lee Merritt: Right. There, there are three cities that, right, and that's, that's part of this. The, when the corp, when, when, when, after 1861, when the Co Congress disbanded in 1871, we went bankrupt.

Dr Lee Merritt: And that's when the corporation started and that's when they, they essentially took over DC and there are three cities that don't, that don't follow the, they're not under the law of the country in which they reside. The Vatican City is not an Italian. That's a separate state. They consider that. And that's the one we knew about, that we always thought it was kind of cute and weird that it was a separate country within a country there , and then you have the city of London, which is like a square mile area within the city of London, within London, the city of London.

Dr Lee Merritt: Even the Queen has to get permission, or the King now has to get permission to go into, it's where all the banks are. [00:49:00] Okay, so all the international banks are, and then the the Washington dc which again, that's why there's no voting there. It's not, it's a city of power in this corporation within our national borders, but it's not under the law of the national borders, which is why I think, I suspect that, see, because constitutional law doesn't matter there.

Dr Lee Merritt: It matters in your states, but not there. That's probably why the J six ERs are still stuck there. They can hold them in these federal prisons. They're, it's a lawless area. I was gonna go out, I, I told Courtney Turner's does a podcast. I said, you know, if this thing hasn't sorted itself out, if what, what's happening in the country hasn't sorted itself out by the midterms, we should go out like middle of October and just go and walk around DC and see what's going on.

Dr Lee Merritt: Take photographs, take videos, do man on the street interviews. Just figure out firsthand what's going on. Because in a CGI world, that's the only way you really know what's going on. But, you know, later when it got closer to the time I said, you know what, I don't [00:50:00] feel like we should do that because I figured it out.

Dr Lee Merritt: And that's a foreign, that's a foreign state without laws. That, that if we can be held, like just, if I go to, to, to Borneo and, and run afoul of the law there, good luck. I don't have any way of, you know, it's not under my constitution, it's their laws. So I think that's what we've got going on. and it's crazier that, I mean, what does that say?

Dr Lee Merritt: I, I, I will also say that, you know, because you're active duty and I was active duty military for almost 10 years, and I gotta say I'm a little bit distressed when I go on. Like, I was on a podcast the other day and I kind of sent 'em a kind of a snippy little reply. Not a podcast, but I, I one of these big email things from a lot of different people and they're saying it's the military that did this vaccine.

Dr Lee Merritt: Not the, not Pfizer. They didn't start it, it was the military. Yeah. And I said, you know what? I just want to make sure that you understand. I'd like you to guys to stop saying it's the military. It [00:51:00] wasn't the military, it wasn't the fine people. I, I was with. It's not me, it's not Dr. Siegel off or Dr. Chase.

Dr Lee Merritt: It's not you guys. It's some deep, dark. Red faction, we'll call 'em for not, that's within our government and they probably own darpa. They probably are the big movers in some of these programs, but it's not the military. And just keep that in mind. Not to mention that there could be, there could be parts of our military that are part of this, some more than others, and some people more obvious than others.

Dr Lee Merritt: But there are a lot of very fine military people that are, I think, in the background. I do think there's something going on. I don't think this is a, it's certainly not a monolithic thing. And I think if the military in general recognized the lie here, there'd, there'd be a we'd, we'd be. looking at some heart to heart problems that we'd be having right now.

Dr Lee Merritt: I don't know, but I think, I personally think that there's the, the look, we know that we're, we've trained with the Russians, they've trained with us. The Russians are cha trained in with the [00:52:00] Chinese

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