Did COVID Precautions Do More Harm Than Good?

The answer is no. COVID mitigations like masking, social distancing, and working from home probably millions of lives. But with influenza and RSV running rampant over the holidays, many people are asking if such precautions created an immunity debt. Dr. MarkAlain Dery joins the program to answer that question?Show more

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But right now there are like two stories that are sort of running concurrently. I mean maybe more. but one is that we're seeing a spike in covid in the wake of Thanksgiving and maybe in just the winter months starting to happen. like I know of multiple people in my sort of universe who have COVID at the moment. And the other story is that, particularly on the Pediatric side but even more broadly is RSV and the flu. And RSV as far as I can tell it's like a respiratory disease. or viruses and it's very dangerous for kids. There seem to be two different competing theories behind why we're seeing this sort of bump in RSV and the flu. And one is this notion that somehow because we masked and we took protocols to protect ourselves from covid there was what is known as an immunity debt. that because we weren't as exposed to viruses that were our immune system was sort of weakened in some ways. And then I see another argument that there really is no such thing as immunity debt. And if you look at let's say New York compared to New York to let's say Florida where there was very little in Florida very little sort of I guess protocols the numbers of RSV and flu amongst kids are indistinguishable in some cases even higher in Florida. So that suggests that maybe covid has weakened people's immune system immune systems. what is your sense of this at this point? So you know it's hard to say there's no science so this is all speculation. and what you're seeing is kind of infectious disease doctors or epidemiologists that are kind of speculating about it just like we did with covid. We're just doing it out in the open. And it's you know it's visible because it's out there so a couple of things. One is I think RSV the r and RSV is respiratory so it's the respiratory synthesis virus. I'm certain that your kids probably had it when they were growing up. Maybe they didn't have very extensive disease thankfully. As adults we get it I think my wife and I just had it last week to be perfectly honest with you. And one of the things that we're seeing you know kind of me here in a Regional Medical Center in New Orleans which is where I'm at right now is that because we're testing everybody for covid anybody who walks in the door gets a test for covid. Now because covid has become so easy to test for we just test for other things as well and on that panel is RSV. One thing that I've been seeing as an infectious disease physician quite literally on the front line is a lot of adults with RSV.