Episode 48: Andrew and Jerry Return to Regular Order!

Well, kind of... What was supposed to be a discussion of what's happening in the new Congress turned into an extensive discussion of former Vice President Mike Pence and the discovery of classified material in his Indiana home.

Andrew and Jerry have a lengthy discussion of the story - whether this disqualifies Pence from running for President in 2024, how this story is distinguished from the cases of Joe Biden, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Are there mitigating circumstances or how does this figure into the overall issue of different levels of justice.

Then there's the question of transformative versus managerial political leadership - and where does Pence fall into this. What is Pence's record as a congressman or governor, and what issues were his own. How does this figure into the field of candidates for 2024? And what of the political "grifter" class? Is that the main distinguishing element - the grifters versus the managers versus the transformers?

One of the hottest discussions/debates/arguments in the history of the podcast - not to be missed!