Rapture or Harvest
Matthew 13:27-30
And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ , ‘No, he said, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and "bind" them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
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SO we see the final harvest, both taken no one left, then the earth is destroyed. Which shows that is not the theif in the night, when one is taken to Heaven and one is left on earth. We see that happens before any of the wraths, which also includes the Day of the Lord's wrath in seal 6, then Satan's wrath, and finally God's wrath. Yet people only seem to accept God's wrath without accepting the other 2. 1 Thessalonians 5 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
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Hi Greg, Sorry about the late response. I was not notified of your comment. I don't see a final harvest where both are taken. At the Return of Christ we meet the Son of Man in the air. Sheep and Goats. Revelation 19 and Matthew 25:31-46 At the final harvest, those who died by the hand of the Beast are Resurrected and Fire comes down from Heaven to consume the wicked. Revelation 20
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Yet when one actually looks at scriptures There will be 2 Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Luke 12:40e Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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It reads: "As" the lightning... it is descriptive of the one event of the Return of Christ where we meet Him in the air. After the First Judgement: Sheep and Goats; for many will say Lord Lord... and He will say I never knew you. The righteous enter into the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Revelation 19 and Then, the Lord and the angels ride white horses to earth to slay the wicked. The Beast and the False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire and Satan is bound and thrown into the abyss. Then Satan is released and fire comes down from Heaven. Two Judgements. Two Wraths.
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We actually see that Matthew 24:22-44 are before the 7 years, not during or after, which is the rapture of the meek and the chaffs are left, or in Matthew 25 the wise are taken and the foolish are left. The last day is when the wheat and tares are taken, and the earth is destroyed. The Son of Man comes in the clouds on the Day of the Lord before the 7 years, not the Day of Christ after the 7 years when He steps foot on the Mount of Olives. Zephaniah 2 2Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. 3Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Matthew 24 29 The Day of the Lord Isaiah 13:9/10 30 happens before the 7 years as when Noah entered the ark before the floods came Luke 17:26 31 at the trumpet of God and the people are taken to Heaven from all over the world 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4 32 on a day in the spring when the fig tree brances are green and tender Song of Solomon 2 Zechariah 14 1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
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Yet, you are stuck on three words, not what is truly being said, for when did the floods come, was it before Noah entered the ark or after Noah entered the ark? Interesting, that Matthew 24:37 states until the flood came so shall it be when the Son of Man of Man comes. They were eating and drinking before the flood, before they were killed by the flood, before the wrath, so to shall it be when the son of man comes, before the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week. Yet, people refuse to accept these scriptures and even 21:36 counted worthy to escape these things. Which also shows before the destruction begins. Jesus steps foot after the destruction, after the wrath of God, not before the wrath of God, and unless seal 6 happens before, there is no 7 years, for then the the trumpets are not handed out, nor are the people sealed in Israel that are protected at the 5th trumpet, and then killed in Munt Zion so their blood is taken from the ground for the wrath of God.
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Was the flood instantaneous? Noah was in the ark before the water was high enough to drown anyone. Matthew 24:29 “Immediately "after" the 'tribulation' of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30.Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31.And He will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Chapter 8 1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. So until the 7th seal is broken, there is no 7 years, 12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Revelation 6:16 “And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:” Revelation 6:17 “For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” Day of the Lord shown before the 7 years chapter 7 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; That matches what scriptures say about that single day, SO without seal 6 broken, seal 7 shall not be broken and there is no 7 years or beyond. So we see, the people are taken before the 7 years, not after or during, So Day of the Lord, Revelation, Daniel 12, and Son of Man scriptures all say the same, and people cannot accept them.
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The seventh seal is After the Tribulation. Revelation 6:12 When he opened the "sixth" seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13. and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the "tribulation" of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
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Really, let us see what scriptures say about when Noah went into the ark Genesis 7 7And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, 9There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. 10And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. So Noah was already in the ark 7 days before it started to rain, and the door was closed then the rain came, Which again shows the rapture before the destruction, not during or after. Even Genesis shows the rapture before the 7 years.
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verse 7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. The water was the Tribulation. They made it into the ark while it was raining and the springs gushed forth. The drowning was the Wrath.
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Can you prove the 7th seal is after the great tribulation? Interestingly, that chapter 8 states otherwise, that people cannot accept either. Where in Revelation does it say that seal 7 is in chapter 19 or 20?
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Revelation 8:5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with "fire" from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. When does fire come down from Heaven? Revelation 20:9 And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,
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Yet again, you did not mention verse 9, where it says after 7 days the floods came, they did not come before then did they? So again not accepting what scriptures actually say, because they go against your claims. SO in the end, it comes to your claim vs God's word. That shows alot about people. Interestingly, we are to escape what is coming, that you deny, we are to look for the blessed hope that you deny, the Son of Man comes before the destruction, that you deny, the seals are opened before the trumpets, that you also deny. Yep, what you claim, and what the Bible says, do not match at all. Which is why over 90% who claim to be Christians are not saved, for they cannot accept God's True Word. So thanks to showing for where you truly stand. Like in all my rapture dreams, only 6-10 people out of thousands were taken for they listen to God, and forsaken the doctrines of man. The more I talk to people, the more I find just how many truly do not accept God's Word. But accept what they have been taught.
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I never denied anything. I kept to the topic. I did not mention the trumpets. I wrote that the seventh seal is after the Tribulation. Doctrine of a topic does not save anyone. The doctrine of the Gospel is a guide to salvation but it is up to the interpretation of the reader. Therefore, there are many who are saved yet, they are not Born Again. We could both be wrong about the Doctrine of the Harvest so I will no longer teach anything but the Gospel.
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Yep the trumpets are handed out after the 7th seal is broken, so there is no trumpets. Yep, only following partial and not the full. Lke so many others. they cannot accept what is written before and after.
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First you write about seals and then trumpets and now 7 year? Now that's a man made assumption. It's 7 weeks. Why would the Beast wait 7 years to put an end to the animal sacrifices that the Orthodox Jews have already started doing again?
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Yet you did mention the trumpets when you talked about Revelation 8 which is during the trumpets. SO you claim that doctrines do not save. let us see what Jesus actually says about that as well 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Follow His doctrines they have noth Father and Son which means they are saved yet those who do no, are not saved. Then we also see the warning in Revelation Revelation chapter 22 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation chapter 20 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Those who remove words from Revelation are tossed to the lake of fire. SO God says the 7th seal is opened before the trumpets are handed out, you claim the 7th seal is not opened until after Jesus returns. SO again, showing your claims over the Bible. and in so doing, showing that you are not saved, and that following the doctrines of Christ are needed for Salvation. While not following them one is sent to fire. So 300 scriptures compared to your claim, 49 book compared to your claim. Yep, claims means nothing when it comes to following what God says. Romans 1:17 “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.” 1 Corinthians 2:5 “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.” Jeremiah 17:5 “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from
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You are the one who brought up Revelation 8 and the trumpets. I wrote that the doctrine of "Topics" ie: the Harvest (rapture) and that only the Gospel can lead to salvation. It seems you are just trying to prove me wrong so, I'm wrong, you are right. May God bless you in the name of the Lord Jesus. Amen.
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Apparently, you did not read Daniel 12, which also goes against your claims. Yep, the Bible truly has shown why claim of man, do matter for salvation, for the claims of man cannot accept what the Bible truly says. Without accepting what God says, one does not accept God or Jesus.
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Yes for without the 7th seal, there is no 7 years. No trumpets, no beast, no final 7 years. Yet, you seem to deny that. So the 7th seal is very important to when the final 7 years of man's rule/Daniel's 70th week, Jacob's Trouble, starts with the covenant with many is made.
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Hello, My name is Arnold J. But and I am an Elohimist. Elohimists.com
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