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What Does A Ukrainian Victory Look Like?
The TMR Crew has taken criticism for comments they've made about the Ukraine/Russia war. The main question is how much support the US needs to give Ukraine and when should that support stop? Sam asks if the answer is 'When Ukraine wins' then what does a Ukrainian victory look like?
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Roadie NYC: it's utterly shocking to me how misunderstood tmrs the majority report I guess comments on Ukraine are. Every criticism I've seen has been about you guys not wanting to support Ukraine. news flash no one on TIME had come even close to saying that. quite the opposite. Also asking for transparency in open discussions on how the support will be used is perfectly reasonable. If anyone disagrees, that's fine. but that still doesn't mean the TMR was arguing against supporting Ukraine. These discussions are becoming exceedingly painful. when you guys make out TMR to be a brick wall for you to throw your frustrations at. We all need to start giving people that are obviously on our side the benefit of the doubt to make a solid effort to listen to what people say instead of what we feel they are saying. I mean I certainly feel like I have been accused of calling for defunding or sending the funds to Ukraine. and I don't feel like I've ever even come remotely close to that. I I was simply saying what is the plan. and I'm not. I don't want to get too deep into it again. People can go back and listen to my conversation with Ronald Raygyn who called in about this last week. but I think it is not just reasonable when we are funding a war for this country to articulate to have some public discussion on things like what's the end game? Where do we like, when do we stop? I know it's when Ukraine wins. What does that mean? Does it mean you know and do we stop when Ukraine says that they've won? You know, like China and Russia, every member of the Security Council signed off on a very limited project in Libya which was to stop Gaddafi from leveling Benghazi. Which he claimed he was about to do. and we superseded that. we not only ended up making it impossible in the future to inhibit an A or to have an international response to potential genocide by doing that. We also left Libya a crap show.
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