Katrina vanden Heuvel on Gorbachev’s legacy and the Ukraine proxy war

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“We need to not treat the idea of peace as subversive.”

Katrina vanden Heuvel, publisher and editorial director of The Nation, predicts a dark cold war ahead if our leaders continue their militaristic ways. The first step, she says, is talking about it. And while the media has no interest in journalism right now, a movement from the people can save lives.

“The crisis is on us. And there’s a lack not only of preparedness but of thinking about the crisis.”

Katrina, who was close with the late Mikhail Gorbachev, shares the leader’s personal thoughts on peace, nuclear weapons, and the worsening relationship between US and Russian presidents. She calls him “a great reformer in his country’s tormented history.” And she sneaks in some private stories about the guy too.

Plus, Biden does fascist Roger Waters, Liz Truss wants to nuke you, and the latest in terrible Trump-themed drinks.

It’s all this, and more, on this week’s episode of Useful Idiots. Check it out.

0:00 Intro
3:13 Four food groups of news
20:10 Aaron's book club
21:12 Stoned moment
24:14 Katrina vanden Heuvel interview