Things They Say You Can't Do in Law School - Cason Smith

Cason Smith is a 3L at Georgia Law - he's one of my classmates. In this episode we talk about Cason's many hobbies. While in law school, Cason has attempted to sail up the East Coast, learned to breathe fire, hosted a talk show with his twin brother, and done many more stunts.Show more

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you're listening to made to be broken where we explore the human side of law school and the law and i'm your host
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andrew ligon fant my guest today is cason smith he's one
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of my classmates third year at georgia law and in this episode we talk about a lot of things but mostly
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hobbies and the other things they say you can't do in law school for example uh cason's a member of the georgia
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sailing team he's also a member of the juggling club and a variety of other things that
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you'll hear about in a moment i did mess up the sound here in the beginning but if you give it about 10 minutes or so
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it'll go back to normal one thing about cason is that he is a
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i would say kind of a hobby aficionado slash stunt man in a way
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i would say of all the people in our class you're always the one who's doing some random thing uh which is really interesting to me
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because i think that hobbies are important um i've always had different i mean i've always had
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different hobbies depending on where i lived because i was in the military so i traveled all around lived in georgia
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arizona hawaii and i always adapted my hobbies to my location so like when i was in arizona i
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rode off-road motorcycles and when i was in hawaii i did some like
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free diving and spear fishing but i think it's important because it keeps at least it keeps me
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engaged in like problem solving and like learning new skills
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talk to us about some of your hobbies that you've done while in law school
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okay well um i i definitely narrowed down the hobbies that i did but i still kept hobbies in
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law school the big ones obviously would be sailing um i was part of the uga sailing club in undergrad
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and i kept that through law school till today um i still do
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photography uh let's see what else still a little bit of juggling
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i definitely narrowed down though i mean i can't work on cars anymore because there's no i don't have a shop up here in athens
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obviously yeah i don't do as much i guess hiking or stuff like that
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because back home i lived on a farm so it's easy just oh i have 20 minutes i'll go walk
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around the pasture can't do that here to the same degree and where are you from i'm from
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hazlehurst georgia so hazelhurst is a small town in south georgia we'd like to say we're two hours from anywhere
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we're a two-hour drive from macon savannah jacksonville and valdosta
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um it's about a three and a half hour drive from uh athens okay so grew up on
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the farm there so it's south i guess hazelhurst yeah south of athens yeah
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so but yeah uh sailing juggling
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photography i'd say those are the big ones did you discover sailing at uga so
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hazelhurst is not near the ocean is it definitely not okay uh hazardous is like a two-hour drive
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from the well you said it's two hours from two yes yeah so as a kid i thought sailing was
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really cool i read a lot of books growing up about the northeast whalers um about you know the sailing ships and
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uh naval warfare i thought sailing was cool and as a kid i just assumed sailing was not a thing anymore i thought it was
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extinct yeah i don't know why i thought that but and then when i was about 12 or 13 i realized
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saying well sailing was still a thing i thought oh that's cool but i can't do it here it's hazelhurst we have a pond but
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that's about it well with that kind of attitude you'll never do anything yeah i thankfully i've overcome that negative
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attitude that's good that's good uh so i just put it on the back burner did
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other stuff came up to uga um summer of 2018 to start my junior year
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of college and as i'm up here i thought wait a minute there's
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30 something thousand students at uga someone sails up here i know it the odds
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have to be that so i just googled uga sailing club yeah i popped up the website i went to their open house the
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let's see it was a year later before i actually wounded up joining but i went to their open house in fall of 2019
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fell in love with it joined and still a part of it so you've been so you've been in the sailing club for
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like this is your seventh year oh no not seventh uh so i i just wanted
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to say 2019. oh fall of 2019 yeah so not when you first came to uh
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uh so that would be let's see it's 2022 so what third year now okay yeah
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and so there's no lake or ocean near athens where do you guys go uh so we go
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to lake lanier it's about an hour drive uh so not really close but not that far
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so we all carpool up practices happen twice a week but most people on the team go one of the two
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days in that week okay so take uh i mean
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in undergrad that was not a problem sometimes i would go twice a week law school i definitely cut it down to once a week
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so i would generally how my week would look is i would
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uh if i if i lucked out and didn't have late classes on a thursday or monday
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which is when practices were yeah most people on the club get together around
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two o'clock or so meet up and carpool up to the lake so i remember 1-0 year
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civ pro would end at like 2 15 so i would literally be wearing my
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sailing gear in class i wouldn't bring a life jacket or anything but is that just board
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shorts and a t-shirt or what basically for warm weather yeah uh so i would just look like i was a very summer
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outfit and then as soon as simpro would end i would pack up and just run to my car jump in i'd already have my life
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jacket and all my stuff in there drive to the varsity which is where we'd meet up
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and then usually i could catch a late car and we'd go the lake and i would sail
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the rest of the day and lake lanier is about how far from here to uh hour and a half
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in gainesville right near gainesville yeah near gainesville yeah and the
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like the little uh cove that we would say a lot of was just south of gainesville okay so would
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you and do you guys store your sailboats up there i suppose yeah so we kind of have an agreement with the lakeland near
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sailing club which is like a big big boys yeah yeah uh and so
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basically the uga sailing club has a membership with the lakeland near sailing club and we're sub-members
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of that larger membership and so it's nice we get access to
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the lakeland near sailing club dinghies so we don't technically own the boats they do but they allow us to use it
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since we're members so what is a dinghy so a dinghy is a small sailing boat um
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dinghy's anywhere between like one to three or four people on it sure um how many feet
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the ones we sail are well it's a 420 which is 4.2 meters so
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what that's 13-ish feet okay so small yeah so it's a two-man boat the ones we
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sail uh so you have a captain or skipper and a crew member so the skipper
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basically the seating arrangement is it's tandem and the skipper sits in the back
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and so let's say we're sailing in this direction the uh skipper is going to have the main
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sheet the main line that controls the mainsail in his left hand and the rudder in his right okay and so he's going to
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be adjusting each of those with small movements and just kind of leave not in the boat
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the crew member in the front is responsible for the jib so the 420s have
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two sails a jib and a mainsail mainsail does most of the powering jib
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kind of helps with pointing so the crew member handles the jib sitting in the front kind of crouched down
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uh to avoid the boom and the crew also like balances the boat counterbalances
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the skipper also keeps enough for other boats because the skipper's so focused on sailing and you've got this big sheet
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that's blocks like half your view yeah really easy to run into other boats which i have done on multiple occasions
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really yes you ever damaged a boat or just little bumps here and there i would not be surprised if i damaged clemson's
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boat one time i was racing in uh wilmington oh so you guys race we do okay uh so the sailing club is
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divided into basically the cruising side and the racing side cruising side
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cheaper dues you show up whenever you want to show up um as much or as little as you want to show up
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and there's really no pressure we'll teach you how to sail and then you can just frolick in the water sail whatever
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okay racing side we kind of expect you to show up at least once a week
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whenever you come to practices you're going to be running drills you're going to be running practice races we're going to be expecting you to learn at a
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certain pace or as good as you can and then the bonus of
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doing that is you then qualify to go racing regattas so we travel
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all over the southeast to race um personally i've been to like orlando to
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race in the rollins regatta wilmington to race there uh nc state
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um clemson we've hosted regattas at lake lanier
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um let's see [Music] yeah that's about the ones that i've
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gone to and then the team has also gone to once in tennessee uh i think one time we went to
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where was it i want to say we went to texas one time and do you race in a regatta
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i assume not everybody's bringing boats to the regatta do you borrow other people's boats or something like
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that yeah so basically whoever hosts the regatta whatever college hosts it provides the boats
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and then the boats are rotated amongst the colleges
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throughout the race to account for any boats that are worse off or better off than others
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so i would so like in a race i might race on this if there's like six boats and
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six teams you've got the six teams and then after the first race every team will shift down one boat oh i see so
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hopefully you do like six races so that way everyone has done one race on each boat and that levels out any defects
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that we're not aware of and above i see yeah that makes a lot of sense because i i was thinking it might matter
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um a lot like what kind of boat you have because it seems like i'm sure a lot of its skill but i'm sure a lot of it is
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also technology weight of the boat and lightning a lot of times what you'll find is if a
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boat has been replaced it's going to be faster because the fiberglass hasn't absorbed water over time which can
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happen so yeah just rotating relieves any kind of
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tension about hey your boat is newer it doesn't have a broken you know jib or whatever
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everyone's on a fair playing field if you rotate them and what does that look like as a kind of a lifetime sport as an
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adult like or as an adult as a post school person
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is it a big thing is it incredibly expensive is it more affordable than you might think like
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what does that look like exactly uh so dingy racing is
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is pretty affordable um lake lunar sailing club still hosts like laser regattas lasers
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are one-man sailing boats they're very popular yeah and you can pick those up for
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like 2 000 or so which i mean is a lot but at the same time
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once you've got one it's going to last you for a while sure and as for bigger sailing boats like if
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you want to race keel boats it's actually possible to get into that without
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owning a boat at all so like the lakeland near sailing club has wednesday night racing just about
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every week when the weather's right and if you know the basics of sailing you
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can basically show up on a wednesday night and say hey i'm willing to be a crew member does anyone need me and most
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of the time someone will grab you and offer to you know have you as a crew
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member so you get to enjoy the racing experience and be a part of that with no cost of entry which is great
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that is cool um and don't you guys own a boat is that right you and your doesn't your family have a
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boat now or you did at one time i currently do yeah trying to get rid of it but yes okay uh you know the old
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saying that most hat the two happiest times in a man's life is when he buys the boat when he sells it when he sells
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it that's true i found out that is true uh but yeah we have a uh tartan 30 okay
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a sailboat in 1974 i think so and you have a twin brother
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right and he's uh he's a law student as well not at georgia um
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you you you two went on a trip what was that last spring break uh last summer yeah was that last summer
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so when that was can you talk about that because you yeah this is i know you tried to sail the
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intercoastal waterway yeah it was a fun experience that was a comedy of
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errors yeah uh so i had the idea and i like this podcast
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actually it's uh it's still an idea it's still going to happen but my idea was i wanted to
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sail all the way up the east coast yeah partly via the intracoastal waterway
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so my idea was we'll get a small of small basic cheap boat
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and take it from uh you know savannah or wherever in georgia
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and take it all the way up to baker's island now baker's island is a small privately owned island off the coast of
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massachusetts that's owned by i think it's like 30 or 40 families up there and my uncle
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is one of those families that has a house on there and it's like primitive living uh it's
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is that his primary residence or it's like no i mean it is during like the summer like you'll go out for a month at a time yeah uh but
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it's it's like primitive living these aren't like fancy houses or anything they're you know the
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the hot water is via sun the electricity is via solar but it is cool
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so my idea was to sail up the east coast and do that over last summer so summer of 2021
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and as i'm talking about this idea my dad says hey i'll go along with y'all if
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that's okay and i said i mean sure
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if you're cool to do that because my dad knows nothing about sailing i said that's fine
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for you to come along i mean i'll still have to be captain like i know you're my dad but if
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we're out on the water and a decision needs to be made about sailing i will have to override you yeah because
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you know in in that moment a decision asking is dangerous right yeah right if we do the wrong thing people can get
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hurt sure so he said fine so because now we're talking about three people instead of two we needed to up
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the size of the boat that we're looking at so what size boat were you looking at i mean i was going to go for like a
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mid 20s low 20 foot style boat because the smaller it is the more maneuverable
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the less chance of grounding the cheaper all that shallower draft yeah uh so we did settle on a tartan 30 that
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we found down in a marina or boatyard down near the saint mary's river which
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is you know on the border of georgia and florida yeah so we got the boat got it ready to sail
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because it needed some few things adjusted the previous owner helped us so we put in the water and we spent
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three days sailing it up from the saint mary's river to dallas bluff which is
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where we were going to dock it for about a week while we kind of
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got everything at home ready and set where it didn't need any attention for a while
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where is dallas bluff dallas bluff is about halfway between brunswick and savannah
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okay so we get it to dallas bluff pretty um
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uneventfully uh we say by the previous owner uh so we go
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home spend a week getting everything ready to go my dad's kind of wrapping stuff up at the office making sure
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nothing needs his attention for the immediate future and so then we go back to the boat
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we spend the night on the boat and we're all excited because the next day we're about to strike out on this grand
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adventure you know i had done the calculation and it was going to take us like probably three or four weeks
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but i knew even if we didn't make it to bakers island still like a three-week sale up the east coast would be like a
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lifetime memory that would be so cool yeah so like i can barely sleep that night
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the lack of air conditioning didn't help but i'm just so excited i didn't care about the lack of air conditioning
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didn't care about the spartan interior you know this was going to be great well the dallas bluff dock
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is set um inside of the outlet of a
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river of tributary river and because of hurricane i think
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irma is that the one that came through a couple years back i don't remember actually i'm not sure
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i want to say it was irma but a hurricane had altered the sand and the
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riverbed so that part of the river was now too shallow
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for our boat which had a five foot keel five foot draft it was too shallow for our boat to make
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it through there so we had to hug the left side of the river around a certain bin but it would not show on our gps
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finder we had to be told that by the local guy okay so he said when you exit
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this river make sure you stick on the left side because it doesn't show it on the chart
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but that's the only way you'll get out without running a ground so i thought i'll remember that did not
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write it down big mistake big mistake yeah so
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uh we wake up crack of dawn the sun is hasn't even come up yet but
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there's just enough light and it's like it's time we're gonna make it to savannah today
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this is gonna be great let's go so we push off we crank up the engine push off
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uh we're starting to head out of the river um
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super early light and we're going and i'm looking at the depth finder and it's like 15 13 feet i say okay which he said
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to hug the right to the left side of the river right and i think it was wood and he said
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i think it's the right side oh you just did wood dirty well i mean to be fair i didn't really know it either i said yeah
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right side he said yeah i think it's the right side i said wait okay um
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i don't remember i maybe it is the right side and i don't remember which side my dad said as well but we all had basically
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conflicting opinions and so i said uh okay um let's do right side
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and so i'm not saying this to be like oh i had the right memory and would didn't i mean
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none of us really let's go i mean well
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regardless we're going and i'm looking at the depth finder and now i'm nervous because like
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i truly don't know which side of the river we're supposed to be on but i remember the guide was like if you pick the wrong side you will run aground so
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i'm thinking okay well it's it's fine we'll make it
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i'm driving the boat looking at the depth finder and it's like 12
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10 nine seven i'm like okay it's fine it's fine
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five three one i'm like uh y'all we have a problem
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negative one and then the boat goes and then just like stops
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oh that's horrible and my mind goes oh you must have had
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such a knot in your stomach and uh
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i was like we just ran aground it's okay it's okay we can fix this though so we like gun the engine i'm like we got
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it in reverse i'm like trying to back it off the sand and it's not working and the tide is
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running out because uh it's almost like being you're in a river yes so you're going downstream basically
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so the tide is running out so it's if we can't get it off the sandbar
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in the near future like with soon it's going to be stranded so we can't get off can't get it off dad
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says i'll call um i forget the guy's name but the local guide he said i'll call him and see if
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he can pull us off so he calls the guy up and this is like six a.m in the morning oh and to that guy's credit he
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hop he wakes up jumps in his little skiff runs out to us hooks up a line to the boat at this
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point the boat is now like on its kind of tilting to a good degree because the
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tiger foot of water not quite that level yet but it's bad
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and he's like trying to pull us off trying to pull us off he then we hook the main line uh off the top of the mast
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not the main line the uh the oh what's the term for the line
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uh you could just make something up it will believe you it it's the line that you
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attach to the top of the mainsail to then pull the mainsail up uh
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but i don't i know what line your talkbox i have sailed before but i don't know what it's called yeah i've gone blank on the term for that line but
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anyway no help here we hooked that line to the skiff with the idea that if you've got the
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keel below you and if you were to pull us on our side then the keel would move up and you would get less
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like actual draft that the boat would be pulling and you could pull the boat
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that did not work at this point the boat just naturally is sitting like at a 45
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degree angle and so the guy said yeah you're just gonna have to wait for the tide to come back in
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so that's like six hours and our uh great aunt who's been like a
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fisherman her whole life at that time she was in her 90s she lived very nearby so we stopped by
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to see her and you could just like very nice lady and you she would never
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say anything but you could tell she was disappointed you could tell there was like a are y'all sure you know what
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you're doing never said the answer is no no
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not entirely not entirely sort of we're kind of learning as we go here yeah
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so we wait six hours i mean halfway through you could look out and the boat is literally on dry land
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uh and there's like that doubt in my mind of did did we make the right move
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here oh did did i make a grand mistake in going on this trip
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but tide comes back in we hop back in the boat the guy gives us a little pull on the
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skiff and boom it popped actually no he pulled us a little bit and then stopped
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and then the uh the tide just naturally pushed us off of
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the sandbar as it was coming in so then at that point he guided us
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out of the river and then it was like i told you the first time i'll just show you this time
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yeah uh so at that point we're out of the river we're in the intracoastal waterway
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i'm thinking okay we had a rough start but we got it now the you know the world is our oyster
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we'll make it you know buy guns be bygones well we didn't make it to savannah
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because so much time was eaten up by our you know grounding so we knew we had to anchor
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uh just somewhere on the intracoastal waterway before we could make it to savannah so
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this is because you can't sail at night is that right is it it's too dangerous for our skill level definitely yeah yeah
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considering in broad daylight we ran aground what would we do at night you know well to be fair i feel like that
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wouldn't have changed based on the daylight so uh
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so i see on our gps that some people had anchored in this little tributary of the
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intracoastal waterway because as you're going along there's a whole bunch of little snakes of tributaries and little
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marsh rivers and can you see other boats on your gps no okay but the
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map that i was using was like a community map where if people anchored their often they could put a little pin
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or say hey this is a good spot so i saw a little anchor spot and so i said okay we'll go and we'll go
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into here and anchor so we go in and
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as we're getting close to the anchorage spot i'm looking at the uh depth marker to make sure you know we
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don't have a repeat incident and it's like six feet seven feet seven feet seven feet all of a sudden boom we
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go up again again at this point at this point i'm thinking oh my word
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this is so stupid we are like we're a ship of fools here and
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my dad is like very upset at this point he says where what he's just very flustered
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um wood is anxious and i'm thinking we're about to have to sit here and call the
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coast guard or whatever to come get us this is so humiliating but
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i realized that so basically the the
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little tributary think of it as a little river the sand bar made up one half of it and
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we had drifted over and hit that half and we were now on the sandbar but the
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wind was blowing to the side that did not have the sandbar so if you you could use your sails so i realized that was
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happening so i said hold on let's put up the sails real quick we might be able to get it to push us off so we raised the
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mainsail and it pushed us off of the sandbar thank god
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and so we were off i immediately 180 that boat and we came out of that tributary and found a deeper spot to
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anchor and so thankfully we made it out of the second grounding which would also be our last
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grounding so we anchored there it wouldn't be the last uh
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would be the last error well right uh i'm sure we made errors it was the
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last grave ever okay uh okay so we anchor
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and anchoring is kind of spooky because you need to make sure your anchor sets you
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can't just drop your anchor and then go to bed because if it doesn't set you'll drift overnight with the wind and the
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current and find yourself run aground when you wake up yeah so we have to anchor we have to set the anchor with
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the motor and then even then we would get up every like one or two hours
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and check to make sure we had not drifted any farther so you never got to like sleep all the
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way through the night which you know you get watches on a ship yeah we found out the hard way that's why watches are a
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thing uh wake up the next morning uh
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got to savannah but before to make it to savannah we would have to go through hell's gate
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and hell's gate is this basically um they the army corps of engineers blasted
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a route for the icw the intracoastal waterway through this natural island and rock
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formation okay so deeper boats like our boat with the five foot draft could make it through but it
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was very very narrow and when i say narrow i mean like our boat had a
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13 foot um width or beam 13 foot beam
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and the i think the channel that was cut out was like 20 feet or 25
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so we had very little margin of error so when we hit hell's gate i had my eyes
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like glued on the gps to watch our depth and watch our location woods watching
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the buoys to make sure that the actual markers in the area are right and we're just like relaying information am i on
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target am i good how's my left side how's my right side that was probably the one of the most
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nerve-wracking parts of the whole trip because if you were to run around there it's not sand it's
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rock and so you could actually damage your boat if we were to veer off course by a couple of feet and hit
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one of the rock walls
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that's one of the reasons why a smaller boat is better because if we had a draft of say
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two and a half feet hell's gate would be a non-issue because our
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path to make it through would have been much wider but with a five foot you we had to go through that super narrow
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cutout but we made it through hell's gate without issue i kept following the
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intracoastal waterway and then docked uh in savannah and we got picked up by a friend of ours that lives nearby
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uh he's a local preacher and he took us to a seafood restaurant and that was one of the highlights of the trip was hey we
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got to savannah by boat we're eating seafood on the river that felt really cool yeah that's really
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cool oh that's cool the rest of the trip was pretty uneventful but had a as far as
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i guess danger or accidents go but it was really cool as
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far as the experience there were several bridges that we had to radio to get them to open the bridge
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so that we could pass through um there were boats we had to
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maneuver to make sure we could both pass in narrow areas how do you know how to get a hold of
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those bridges are the frequencies like listed on the um [Music]
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yeah so on the map or how do you know that so i bought this guide uh which is a guide for sailing up
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and down the icw and it it comes in volumes and
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through the multiple volumes it'll take you all the way from like key west to maine okay so i bought i think three
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volumes that would have covered our theoretical trip and in that it basically traces through the entire
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and tells you hey there's a bridge at this spot it opens on the hour or you can radio on
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this frequency to get it to open earlier or hey there's this turn at mile
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you know 73 that's very narrow make sure you stick to the outside of the turn
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stuff like that so those books are what were invaluable because they allowed you
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to communicate with the the bridges to watch out for stuff
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that's not immediately intuitive as you're looking at it in the moment uh so yeah that's how we communicated with
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the bridges um but yeah we then from
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savannah set the day after the day leaving savannah we then
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uh anchored next day we hit uh i think it's you've been to savannah
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before that though right yes never by boat yeah what's your favorite part of savannah favorite part of savannah yeah
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uh i mean it's it's cliche but i guess just river street and the whole river section
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okay i just enjoy like the water and the coast yeah that part of savannah where did you eat seafood there
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do you remember uh it's the place that it actually burned down like two or three days ago oh really i'm trying to
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was it pearls um oh yeah i i i it's on the water kind
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of fancy i don't know if that's what it's called but i i know what you're talking i don't know if that's the whole name
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there might be more but it burned down like a couple days no kidding yeah huh um
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because i you know i lived in the savannah area for like three years i didn't spend a ton of time in downtown
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savannah but i like savannah it's it reminds me a little bit of charleston
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which is where i spent a lot of time as a kid but it's definitely different it's like
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charleston with an attitude really yeah yeah because it's more like
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uh it's kind of like a mixture between charleston and new orleans i think because it has a lot of the black magic
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or the voodoo like influence yeah that new orleans has but it has a lot of the charm that
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charleston has as well i guess the east coast kind of southern charm that
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i don't know yeah i never thought of it interesting that makes it interesting yeah yeah if i had to live in a i'm a small
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town type of guy but if i had to live in a larger city savannah would be on my short list i really like it yeah
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so and plus it being on the coast i like the coast quite a bit yeah i think it's
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fairly affordable as far as coastal cities like that go
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but okay so you leave savannah and then what next leave savannah uh so
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after leaving savannah that night we anchored second night we make it to i think it's beaufort south carolina
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that's on the coast right it is yes yeah uh got there on a friday afternoon
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which was great because that day like as we pulled up there was
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a downtown car show and local festival so there's a whole bunch of old cars in
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downtown beaufort there were shop local shops that were open so we
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got to eat barbecue and look at all the old cars listen to live music so that was really cool that we happened
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to hit there at that day and then so then we left
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next morning went through the angel bridge which is a bridge that instead of opens
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like a drawbridge it rotates on a center spindle which was interesting interesting and that's north of beaufort
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oh it was right at buford right at beaufort yeah so went through there
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and then uh uh anchored that night and then the next
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day got to charleston south carolina and then unfortunately charleston is where we had to
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end it uh so we parked charleston and then had it hall had the boat hauled out of the
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water and prepared for transport by a local marina and then had it transported to lake lanier like
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uh two or three weeks later so and now it's at lake lanier why did you have to stop in
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charleston so kind of two reasons well three reasons uh
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so we parked at charleston and at that point uh my dad was having to he'd have he had
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a court date in the not too distant future like a weaker he's a lawyer he is a lawyer yeah and might be clear and yes
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not he was not showing up as a defendant or anything uh and then my brother also had some
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mercer like welcome events because that was the summer before he started 1-0 year that's right because he's a you're
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behind us right so there's a 2l at mercer correct yeah so
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they were already looking at okay we need to be back home in a week and a half two weeks so
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let's go ahead and figure out where we're pulling out the boat in the future because we'll probably have to schedule
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with the people who will take us out and haul us so i called the a lead that i had the guy that was going
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to haul the boat back to lake lanier i said hey just checking with you we'll be
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pulling the boat out in about a week and a half or so uh is that looking good for you do i need
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to make an appointment where should we pull it out he said well right now the east coast is flooded with
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boats wanting to be taken out of the water and boats wanting to be hauled he said i can haul your boat
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within the next week if i don't haul it within the next week it could be mid-july before i haul it
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and and when i was talking to him this is like mid-june so basically if we don't do it within a month it'll be if
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we don't do it within a week it'll be a month or more and
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i said really he said yeah with covid a bunch of people actually took out and took out boats and doing boats and stuff
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and now they're wanting them hauled to different places and hauled out of the water and stuff
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with covid people bought boats or what or they're doing they're boating more oh
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they're using them more oh i see yeah which i didn't expect it to have that much of an effect but i wouldn't have
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either yeah but he said boat haulers were slammed like just full of work interesting
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so he said i said okay so we need to pull out soon where should we pull out he said where
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are you right now i said charleston south carolina he said that's honestly the best place to pull you out because
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otherwise next place would be um uh
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wilmington that would have a because due to the size of our boat a 30 foot you need like
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a special crane to pull something that size out of the water so you can't just stop at any place with a dock
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because it's not trailerable normally and he said there's three places in
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charleston that can pull you out there's one in wilmington so he said i would suggest pulling out
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at charleston getting it ready for trailer then i can pick it up so that's what we wound up having to do
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so cut our trip short quite a bit but i'm we it was still like a great
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experience yeah really glad that i did it and i'm going to try again to sail up the east coast
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in a couple years okay because the stuff that i learned on this trip will make the next trip a lot better
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because like stick to the left side now stick to the left side
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write things down yes yeah that's interesting you know i had i had a
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i haven't called a failed attempt at hiking the appalachian trail but i would call it a disrupted attempt before our
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1-0 year because i started hiking the appalachian trail in march of 2020 which is the year
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we started one l right wait march of 2020 no that's the
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undergrad year before one hour because we started one out fall 2020. yeah right all right 2020 we started 1l
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the years are all blurring together now but so i got out of the army um and then i had a gap between
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when i got out of the army and when i started law school intentionally i planned it out that yeah because since i was like 15 i wanted to hike the
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appalachian trail so i was like okay i'm gonna this is my chance i've got like six months here where i could actually
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do this and i could make it to maine before orientation starts for law school ambitious wow
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so well it's you know the average the average through height takes six months and if you're fast you can do it in
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four-ish you know like four is a four is a good pace if somebody does it in four they're they're hoofin so i was gonna try to do
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it in four um so i had all my gear set i had the plan and then i started hiking and there were
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kind of rumors of this covid thing at the time but nobody really knew what it was so this was pre-spring break right
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yeah i guess so i mean i i don't i didn't have a spring break so i don't well true i guess spring break is what
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april late march it was like mid late march mid late march um
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that's about the time that i was okay because that that's when the rumors were there but the lockdowns hadn't started oh
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that's right because i think after spring break i don't think the law students came back from spring break
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is that right yeah we didn't either in undergrad in undergrad yeah so right around the time i was getting
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ready to go because i was i was actually planning on starting like the first of april but then there were all these
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rumors about covid nobody really knew what it was i was like you know what i'll just go ahead and go because i'd
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rather be up in the mountains it didn't occur to me that people would think that hiking was unsafe which they
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did and a lot of people pretend they didn't but i have a i have a memory remember
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what it was like yeah so i start hiking and you know up there you don't really have good cell service you might get
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cell service once a day you're probably not you can't really access news very easily unless you're in town
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um so i have people texting me like hey here's what's going on et cetera et cetera but it was kind of hard to figure
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out what exactly was happening um because it's all filtered through people yeah i guess everything is
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um but then i had decided you know i'll just i'll
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just keep going like i'm good i think i think it's fine to keep going but then north carolina issued a stay-at-home
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order and you could only leave your house they basically put their entire
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population on house arrest that's what it is yeah unless you had like one of several like legitimate you
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know reasons to leave your house and hiking was not one of them so it almost made it up to like the
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fontana dam area and there were a couple hikers probably
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i don't know 10 miles ahead of me or so who got arrested for hiking
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you can't be endangering people all alone on a mountain like that right right so that's when i just decided to
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call it and went home and i was like you know what i'll live to fight another day i i couldn't get arrested the summer
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before law school because then you have to report it to the school and then they have a whole decision like whether or not they're
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going to still let you come to school yeah and i just wasn't i wasn't willing to risk that so
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um long story short i went home spent the rest of my summer at the house
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and looking back i'm like you people ruined my through hike for
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for nothing i wasn't causing any any harm up there exactly um
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and the justification then was well you might spread covet from like one small mountain town to another or something
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but like i know people who live in those towns they they go to bigger cities to go to walmart get
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you know basic supplies so i don't think we were really any any threat to anybody but
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here we are but it reminds me of that a little bit it's like a i'm still glad i did it and i'm still
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still still learned a lot it's a very unique experience but yeah
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like the whole idea of failure is something that i'm better at dealing with now than i
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used to be but it's something you need to be able to deal with in order to accomplish anything really
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you have to because putting your foot out there and doing stuff will result in some of the time it
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not working out most of the time most of the time it's not working out and sometimes it just feels
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it feels terrible sometimes sometimes it makes you look dumb or whatever but
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you have to put up with it because that's the only way you can do anything so i failed a lot and in the past that
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would that would like really get to me and i would just get really discouraged at it
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yeah i think a lot of people don't like failing it's not a not a great feeling but um i had a high school teacher who
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would always say that anything worth doing is worth doing poorly for some time i think that's the right way to look at it
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interesting because i think that there are a lot of little sayings in english that get in people's heads and they're
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wrong and i think one of those is that anything worth doing is worth doing well i've heard that one because it's
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i i mean it's right i think it's right in the sense that like if it's worth doing it's work perfect becoming a
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master it's if it's worth doing it's worth you doing your best at trying to do it right
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right but to do something well you're not going to do it well the first time like this is the first video podcast
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i've ever done this is i'll be amazed if this turns out remotely watchable you
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know if all the sound worked and all that stuff um but i enjoy tinkering i think you you
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seem to be like that too and i'm i'm totally comfortable with the idea that this might not be the best uh best
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product ever produced but the next one will be better and then better and better and that's the idea and eventually after enough repetitions of
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sailing or hiking or any skill like that eventually you get
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good at it yeah i've heard it described as you have to have the courage to
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uh wait how did it go you have to have the courage to forget
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phrases i it'll come to me in a bit it was
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something like you have to have the courage to uh like do something terribly and just look
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like a fool doing it because that's how you get better i think if you look at any successful person
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you know what we see is we see the success yeah what you don't see is the years and
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years they spent failing at their profession at another profession that didn't work out you know like i
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mean whether it's whether it's any any famous or successful person you
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look at if you ask them i mean they've failed ten times as often as they've succeeded yeah i think it's i think it's important
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i think that's that is one thing i like about having hobbies and having new always having new hobbies is always
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gives me something to fail at so i feel like i'm progressing yeah um
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[Music] but um when do you like do you think it's
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realistic to think that at some point you'll you'll take that long and and do it how do you think
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that works with the legal profession so i guess your dad was able to do it but i
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don't yeah but he's you know obviously quite advanced in his career uh right so
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like he's got the seniority of like his clients and his clients trust to be like
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hey i will be gone for three weeks if that's okay you know
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nothing's going to be done to move anything along but i'm taking this vacation and that's fine when
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you're a new attorney on the block like i will be i don't know if that will be possible the first handful of years to be honest
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because i'll need to spend time to you know get my face around town and build a reputation
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but long term i am comfortable with sacrificing
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income to make trips like that because there's a bunch of trips like that i would like to make
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that are priceless in the long term when you really look at it the memories that you make and the experiences that you
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get to do that you know if i miss out on a month of income a month of momentum for my career
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i'm okay with that because if i don't do it now i'll never do it because especially once
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you you know get married start having children the chances of you making a big
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trip like that just fall and fall and fall they say youth is wasted on the young
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yeah right and eventually you get old and you don't want to sleep in a non-air conditioned sailboat in intercoastal
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waterway during this summer like and it sounds kind of miserable actually and uh my fear is that i will
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like wake up one day and i'm elderly and realize oh shoot all that
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stuff that i was gonna get around to it's not too late for i've waited too long i'm old i can't do
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it yeah so yeah i'll it'll require some finessing
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and some sacrifices i guess professionally but i'm okay with that because that's what's important that
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that's what's important to me so and plus that also is more doable with
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the career path that i'm going with working in a small town for myself that would be less doable if i was going
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like in the big law being a junior associate or something where you have less less flexibility
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do you plan to open your own private practice by yourself or what what's the plan there so i'm going to be joining
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with my dad so right now it's just uh ken w smith pc professional
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uh council and so when i come back i guess it'll be smith and smith
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or we may just wait until wood comes back because he's planning on coming back as well so it'll be smith smith and
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smith attorneys at law which is going to be so cool so my dad will he said he's not going to
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put his name on any court documents because he's tired of you know having the court schedule in the back of his
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mind but he's obviously gonna help us and teach us and get us on our feet yeah
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so he's probably gonna be of counsel pretty soon but he enjoys the law so much i never
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see him at like truly retiring and walking away he's always i always see
50:58
him popping by and being like so would you decide on that personal injury strategy you were going with the
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other day or whatever what kind of lot of c practice just kind of is he uh like he's a
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general practitioner practitioner uh he doesn't do criminal criminal like right now he's sort of semi-retired he doesn't
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do litigation stuff he right now he mainly does uh
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real estate transactions wills uh powers of attorney that type of stuff
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and do you plan to follow suit on that like no criminal or yeah i don't have interest in criminal no that's too much
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of a the clientele is one thing i'd well they're they're alleged
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criminals they're alleged criminals normally yeah uh that's how that works i don't think that i could handle the
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responsibility of high stakes yeah like if if i screw up in a contract case
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and someone loses money that would really suck and i would hate that but if i screw up in a criminal case and an
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innocent man serves time like that's i wouldn't be able to sleep at night
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that would be devastating so no interest there plus the money is in civil
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the money isn't civil that's i i think that's definitely true
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so uh continuing on the topic of hobbies though so that uh sailing is not your only hobby surprisingly um you seem to
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maintain a number of hobbies one that we have in common is photography yes um
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i remember when we first showed up to school during 1l um i saw you walking around you had this
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big film camera yeah my polaroid yeah you've always got your polaroid or some
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or some other film camera yeah i think you've got a medium format maybe some 35 millimeter yeah um how did you get into
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that and what is it about photography that draws your interest so wait the way i
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got into it uh let's see i was around 14 years old and i was rummaging around
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in my attic okay and i found a wolf gang i believe it's called 35
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millimeter um rangefinder camera made in germany
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in the 1950s uh and i thought it was really cool because i
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was not really familiar with film photography because that was basically the time when you know digital was
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the the ruling format sure because around i think digital came up
53:36
became really prevalent around 2000 like around the arts yeah my dad still had
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like a uh a waterproof uh film camera but it was the
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uh af ais i believe it's called cartridge which was like the next advanced
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advancement of the 35 millimeter so you never oh you never actually saw the film it was all
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very computerized listen the camera was computerized so it was very divorced from the
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manual yeah so when i find this old 1950s manual um camera i thought wow this is really
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cool what is this talk to my mom and it was a camera that my great aunt who served in the uh
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the the red cross right after world war ii oh it was hers and she had taken it to
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okinawa and all over overseas right after world war ii remember what brand it was
54:36
the camera there's a wolf gang i believe it's called yeah you said that i'd have to double check though because it's i could never
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pronounce it and so i was like wow this is really cool and we just so happened we're about
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to go on a trip out west over the summer because from like 13 to 15 we would go out on a
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month-long trip out west via rv every summer that's awesome ah
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really cool that is cool so we're about to go out on this trip and i thought i should take this camera and take
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pictures while i'm on the trip because i didn't have a phone at the time so i didn't really take pictures at all
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so i just went to walmart or whatever and bought the four pack of the really cheap
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35 millimeter film i learned how to run it on the camera and
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ring it up and i was all basically just learning myself i didn't know how to look it up on the
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internet or anything so i finally figured it out and everything on this camera is manual
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the aperture the shutter everything so i eventually had to learn the iso is
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built into the film yeah in the old 35 so yeah i eventually figured out how to
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just kind of estimate what's the right setting for the situation and so on the trips out west i would
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just take a whole bunch of pictures of 35 35 millimeter when i would run out we'd stop at a target or something i'd
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grab more film and i'd take pictures and i've got to this day a big box undeveloped film that i still need to get developed
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but it's so expensive that i can't just develop it all at once so every now and then i'll develop a role and see how it
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came out all these years later can you can't you um [Music] i i haven't worked a lot with like old
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film i mostly shoot digital can't you look at the negatives and tell if it came out well yeah
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so uh like when i i used to develop my own black and white
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white film so after i developed a role i'd immediately hold it up to the light and i can immediately tell either
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hey this is gonna look good or wow this is going to suck because you can just tell how transparent it is and the
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contrast on the negative how it will look when you reverse it i see yeah so
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but yeah after that after those trips i found i think another old camera and i
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started buying old cameras whenever i'd find them at thrift stores or antique shops
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and then i started moving into medium format i then got a 19
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and for people who aren't familiar with photography medium format is just a larger so uh old 35 millimeter film
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shoots on a negative like this big you know it's like uh it's 35 millimeters yeah whereas medium
57:24
format is something larger i don't know if there's a standard size for it but there are multiple they're multiple
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sizes yeah so medium format you're going to shoot on 120 roll film and the
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individual pictures vary depending on the camera so you might have a six by four four and a half
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image you might have a six by six which is square you could have a six by eight
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uh so medium format is a little more flexible than 35 millimeter yeah
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it also gives you a a wider view with the same
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um well length of focus right i i believe so yeah i'm kind of fuzzy on
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how all that works with the aspect ratios and stuff we'll we'll put that aside it doesn't matter
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and then i really got into large uh format photography oh really really my
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what i love so the largest one i have now is a 5x7 kodak from 1980
58:22
i think so it's yeah it's 100 years old um so it's kind of fragile
58:27
uh and the the shutter is via a pneumatic bulb so like i'll set up the camera and get everything just right no
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no and it takes a picture uh and then instead of a flash that goes like poof i don't have smash and stuff i
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would love to get them you put your head under a hood yes uh but yeah i love taking large format and
58:47
then what do you shoot with that what kind of what kind of pictures uh i mean usually it's it's got to be
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either landscape photos or like portrait because due to the pneumatic bulb
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it's like a 120th second shutter really slow so you take pictures of anything moving and it's blurry yeah uh
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obviously but you can get newer better cameras that are uh have faster shutters but they're more
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expensive obviously yeah uh but i usually do landscape and the occasional portrait photos with that and
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then i developed the photos i used to develop them the cheapest way i knew how which is with coffee
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so there's a way you can develop photos using coffee vitamin c tablets and
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baking soda and no not baking soda baking uh
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washing soda i believe it's called which is baking soda but it's the the chemical makeup is slightly different so it has
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less h2o in the molecular setup i forget exactly how that makes a difference i
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used to know the chemical part of it but basically you can make a developer out of household
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ingredients then it works and it works it develops black and white like medium contrast images
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so i shot that for a while in undergrad um my eventual goal is to get an 8 by 10
1:00:12
large format which is like the big daddy so to speak because it'll show that's huge like this yeah but once you
1:00:20
get that once you get an 8x10 camera set up and you take a picture in focus it
1:00:26
will blow out of the water any phone camera you have the the details for sure just amazing
1:00:31
and i i love the point and shoot is fun don't get me wrong but i love setting up the tripod
1:00:38
putting the camera on focusing with the ground glass making little adjustments that whole
1:00:44
like 10 minute process i just really enjoy it's very tactile too turning dials
1:00:50
you're moving the front rack you're adjusting things you're looking through the ground glass you've got the hood on
1:00:55
people will stop you and ask questions about it you actually have a hood uh it's a makeshift hood it's like it's
1:01:01
like a blanket oh that's so funny because yeah cause you can't see the ground glass when you're out in the light
1:01:08
so i'll throw the hood on and i'll focus cancel atoms yeah out here it's so fun i
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love it but very expensive to shoot oh and how much does one piece of film cost well
1:01:19
that's another way i would save cost i would use x-ray film because x-ray film is obviously made in
1:01:25
much higher quantities than like photographers 8x10 film right
1:01:30
so with x-ray film i could get i think i got the price down to about
1:01:37
25 or 50 cents a sheet okay which is really cheap when you look at normal
1:01:43
8x10 film the disadvantage of x-ray film is it's only uh
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blue light sensitive i think i see and it's very sensitive to scratches because it has an emulsion on both sides of the
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film so a lot of times i would scratch it during the development process yeah but
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for a quarter buck per shot like i'm not going to complain yeah yeah maybe someday when you're a
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high roll on lawyer and uh you can afford how much does a how much does the actual film cost if you go
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and buy the real stuff uh if you buy the real stuff probably super expensive black and white i think the cheapest i found was like
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six dollars a shot cool if uh if you go eight five brutal
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if you go eight by ten with color film it's like fifteen
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dollars a shot that's horrible yeah and see the thing is with color film i can't develop that
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at home so if i were gonna shoot eight by ten color i would then need to send the eight by film off to a lab and they
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would charge especially chemicals and stuff uh is that the issue color does yeah yeah that's what i'm saying yeah
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yeah that's that's an e6 process okay no that's c41 process
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so i would have believed you in the e6 i don't know any different uh e6 is slide film c41 is color okay uh
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but yeah then if then a lab would have to run it through a specialty system because it's not going to go through
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their normal high production machines so developing it would be like thirty dollars so i'd be looking at fifty
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dollars for every color eight by ten that is which is not doable no they even
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make polaroid eight by ten which is even rarer and even more expensive but i want to shoot one one day before i die but
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they do make instant 8 by 10 film wow but that's wild yeah
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um okay let's move on and talk about a couple other hobbies you've got and we'll kind of do a lightning round on
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these what is um [Music] what is it poultry guys poultry guys
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poultry guys not poltergeist yeah poultry so uh let's see
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it's the summer when was this summer 2019
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uh my dad is doing probate work for this lady in her estate and he finds out that
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she has an old c4 corvette sitting in an old chicken house
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and poultry guys and it's like broken down
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it's not in good condition the previous owner uh who was like her nephew or something
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had tried to restore it so he had like started the breaking down process but had never done the actual restoring part
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of it yeah so he said uh would you consider selling it and she
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was like sure i'm not doing anything with it so we bought it took it back home and i had already seen
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uh the roadkill so roadkill is this series where these two guys
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work on old cars and take road trips and stuff and they had taken a c4 corvette back in the day and making it made a go
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kart out of it with a roll cage and everything i always thought that was the coolest thing ever
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so now all of a sudden we have a c4 corvette which is the same model and it
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is in very bad shape so i said well i'm not going to restore this thing because i would put so much
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time and money into it and it would just be a c4 corvette which most people don't like anyway
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so i'll just make a go-cart if that's cool with everyone and my dad was fine and wood was on board
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so what did you say it is uh 1984.
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so trying to get a visual of this uh i take i take this car i take off all the
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body panels i sew off any uh fiberglass that won't come off
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uh the windshield was already busted i take out the windshield frame
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the engine is electronic ignition so i remove all the computer stuff and i put on a basic edelbrock four barrel
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carburetor with a uh i changed the ignition over to just a
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simple uh distributor and got it running and so then it was our v8
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powered go-kart that was had c4 performance but now imagine even
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less weight and so it was like a demon driving around the farm it would just do
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burnouts it would do jumps and it was awesome the greatest thing
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we called it the poultry geist unfortunately it got rain in it last year
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uh i was letting it sit out because obviously a v8 go kart is not gonna get
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shelter priority when you have too many old cars and i put the wrong
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uh air cleaner on it air filter so it was not waterproof on the top so water
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just got in the engine and now it's ruined oh it's tough so i'm gonna have to do a junkyard engine swap in the
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future but so fun like blasting around dirt roads
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is this street legal not yet but it could be yeah it wouldn't take much to make it street legal we
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were going to drive it up to athens but then my dad was like no not happening
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as a lawyer i can't let this happen yeah um so you've got poultry guys that's
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that's so so funny um how how did you learn to work on cars uh mostly just
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osmosis from online i watched roadkill so that's david freiburger and okay so
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you're familiar with it yeah yeah i've heard of it i i don't watch it but i know that so i saw them watch so many
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episodes with them and they would explain stuff as they're doing it so i would absorb that and then also just
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looking up questions i had online youtube yeah so that got to the point where i could
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do basic work on cars and i would just learn as i went yeah i think you can learn almost anything on youtube yeah
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these days um so that's poultry guys that's fascinating i'd love to drive it sometime maybe after you d