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Published Jan 22, 2024 READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] If you don't pay close attention to Joe Biden, you're probably content to dismiss him as just a senile old fool who's exiting the stage at high speed. But if you actually listen to him, if you watch what Joe Biden says, it dawns on you actually, this man is evil, actually evil. Listen to what he says. It's dishonest. It's vicious. It's cruel to his fellow Americans. He's a bad person and he's the president of the United States. And yet no one seems to say that out loud or even notice. Instead, our moral superiors, our overlords, are very exercised about, well some people, you've probably not even heard of, people on the internet who are saying true things, and one of the people makes the maddest is a guy with an account called Catturd. Yes, that's the name. One word on X, formerly Twitter. Catturd has millions of followers and is remarkably, controversial for a person whose name has never been spoken in public. He actually got into a fight with Adam Kinzinger no less than Adam Kinzinger. Speaking of evil, here's in case you forgotten it. Here's what it looked like: Tucker Soundbite [00:01:09] Kinzinger made that clear the other day when he responded personally to a Twitter account called Catturd. Because when you're one of Washington's leading authorities on foreign policy, you spend a lot of time on Twitter reading accounts with names like Catturd. So the other day, Catturd made the mistake of posting a meme that seemed to mock the colors of the Ukrainian flag, colors that are sacred to Adam Kinzinger and every other empathetic soccer mom in her mid-forties. You can imagine how offensive that was. It was like telling an off color joke about Meghan Markle. It could not stand. And so alone and battling debilitating hot flashes in this kitchen, fighting the urge to open yet another bag of Chips Ahoy! Adam Kinzinger fought back literally evil, he wrote in a late night response to Catturd. If I met you in person, it would not end well for you. Sicko. Whoa! Hear that catturd? It will not end well for you. That's not a pillow fight. Adam Kinzinger is talking about. That's a full on slap fight with hair pulling. This is real. You'd better apologize. Our heart goes out to catturd tonight who's probably cowering in a litter box somewhere waiting for Adam Kinzinger to show up with sharpened nails. Tucker [00:02:20] So catturd enraged Adam Kinzinger. And it's also been noticed on late night comedy shows. Watch. James Cordon Soundbite [00:02:27] And things seem to hit a new low last night as he retweeted three times and accounts called Catturd. Now, to be fair, the cat is wearing glasses, so it must be smart. The actual Twitter handle for the account is cattturd 2, and I, for one, cannot wait to see what's in store from catturd three. Catturd sounds like someone Joe Biden would have brought up in a speech during the primaries. When I was growing up in Scranton, that was a real mean son of a gun. We used to call him catturd. He could do up and be bop like nobody's business. What was I talking about? Oh, yeah. Climate change. Tucker [00:03:14] Well, there's a reason nobody watches late night comedy shows anymore. But still, catturd seems to offend people. Why is that? Who is this man who's catturd one? Well, we found him. He's a man. He's from the South. That's all we know. He wants to keep his name private because he doesn't want his life any more disrupted than it already has been. But he is joining us anyway in physical form. Catturd, It's great to see you. Catturd [00:03:35] How are you doing? So you've made it Tucker. Tucker [00:03:39] So many questions. So, I actually don't know your real name, just for the record. Okay, what year did you graduate from Yale? Catturd [00:03:49] Yeah, I graduated Yale, I think 1984. Tucker [00:03:54] No seriously. No, I'm guessing you didn't go to Yale. I mean that- Catturd [00:03:56] Went to Harvard after Yale. Tucker [00:03:59] You went to Harvard. I remember you so well there. Where are you? Like, what? What was your preparation for being catturd? Like, tell us your life trajectory. Who are you without revealing your name? Catturd [00:04:08] Well, I'm from northwest Florida, I mean, Georgia. Yeah, well, I live in northwest Florida now, but. So I graduated high school kind of early at 17. Joined the Army. I was telling you earlier, I spent my 18th birthday in a foxhole, in Fort Dix, New Jersey, in basic training back when it really was basic training. And then, I got injured when I was over in Bad Kissingen in Germany, and we were on alert, and I hurt my back real bad and had surgery. And that was pretty much the end of my Army career. I was, back to Fort Morgan, Georgia. Had back surgery. I actually tried to stay in, but, they wouldn't let me. Tucker [00:04:51] Yeah. Catturd [00:04:51] I mean, it's been something I've had to deal with my whole life. Tucker [00:04:53] So they wrecked your body and then kicked you out? Yeah. Pretty good. Okay. Catturd [00:04:57] You know, that's honorable medical discharge, but. Yeah. And so, after that, I hitchhiked to Panama City, and I've pretty much been in the Panhandle ever since. You know, I'm 59 years old. I spent, you know, just like most people, I was, I'm different than most of the influencers that, do all the right things. Have the kids or the suit and ties. I pretty much was, screwed up until I was about 40, 45 years old. Tucker [00:05:28] You were really-. Catturd [00:05:29] Where I had a couple of failed marriages, followed by, I was just I was a professional musician for years. I was a hippie. I had long hair and a beard and smoked weed and had a VW van and- Tucker [00:05:40] Really? Catturd [00:05:41] Dyed shirts. I did, I was a real hippie. I went from job to job. Tucker [00:05:47] Partied a lot. Catturd [00:05:48] You're there. Yeah. Partied a lot. I had my stint with drugs and alcohol and, you know, I don't know why everybody scared. You know, everybody. Big famous picture. You know, this big picture of how, you know, in the world that we live in today is just like, just I've always been honest with my followers and on my podcast. Tucker [00:06:07] I don't trust people who don't know how weak they are. Catturd [00:06:10] I know, yeah. And so I, kind of aimlessly went through my life and, then I finally ended up, you know, working a good fiber optics job for years. At 54 years old, which was five years ago. I'd never been on social media. I didn't know anything about social media. I don't even know how it worked. I had no friends on social media, and I just decided to have, I got arthritis in my fingers. I couldn't play guitar anymore. And I was just like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to get on Twitter. And I just, you know, saw the cat just said cat turd. I never thought I'd have 100 followers, you know, who think that? It's just like it's like Homer Simpson. Now, cancer is it's way beyond me. You know, they're doing. Tucker [00:06:55] Wait, if I have to ask you, pause. What was the moment when you decided to make that your nom de guerre? Catturd [00:07:02] I just was like, surfing through the web, and I saw that cat picture, and it just cat turd. He was that simple. I mean, you know, I don't think anybody's ever going to follow me. I remember asking people for weeks, how do I post a picture on it here? And so I don't even know how it took off. It just got legs somehow and it just took off. Tucker [00:07:21] So. But why did you do it? Catturd [00:07:23] What did I do? Tucker [00:07:24] Why did you go online and start giving your opinions? Catturd [00:07:26] I don't know. Well, I've always been, as a professional musician, in the 90s, you, you know, you have to be good at construction. Tucker [00:07:38] Yeah. Catturd [00:07:39] If you. Yeah. Because you got to make money. Tucker [00:07:40] Sorry. I'm a little slow. I never. Catturd [00:07:44] So you better learn to build stuff. So, you know, me and my band guys, we were. We were builders. Now we build decks, roofs, build up, build a house, whatever. And so in the 90s, you're bored, and, you know, we play music at night. We don't even listen to music. So I started listening to Rush Limbaugh. Really? So every day we listen to Rush Limbaugh, well, we're building houses, whatever. Tucker [00:08:05] You and every construction crew in America. Catturd [00:08:07] Yeah. And it just it just like this was I didn't even know I was a hippie. I thought I was a liberal, I didn't know what I was still and I was like, this guy say and everything, I believe. And, it was, it was, you know, I listened to him till the day died. Really? Yeah. I'm total rush, baby. And it was just like, this guy's talking exactly what I think. And I never even knew what I was until, you know, I started listening to him, but that's how I got in. And I was just a political junkie from the first time I heard him. And it's just been like that ever since. So I got on, you know, Twitter now X and just started posting and, man. What a five years. Tucker [00:08:51] It's unbelievable. I mean. But why did you do that? I mean, a lot of people have political opinions, but they don't imagine that other people want to read them, or they don't feel compelled to share them with the world on a social media app. Catturd [00:09:04] I don't know why it caught fire. Tucker [00:09:06] But why did you want to do it? Because you were frustrated? Catturd [00:09:08] Yeah, I guess, I just, you know, I think as artistic, although I didn't play on stage a lot in last years, I would always go to my room and I wrote a lot of music. I actually wrote my best stuff then, and it was just. I need that artistic outlet. Tucker [00:09:22] Yes. Catturd [00:09:23] And, when I lost that, I was really kind of depressed because I'd lost my fingers. Just like overnight. They started swelling up. I got arthritis from playing guitar and using power tools my whole life. And, I was just like, I just need to do something. And so I just got on social media. Just it's just a spur of the moment was my birthday. It's like two days after my birthday, so I'm gonna join Twitter. And I was asking people. I was calling people, how do you join Twitter or how do you do a picture? Tucker [00:09:51] How there your membership committee? Catturd [00:09:52] What's the rules? Tucker [00:09:56] So when at what point did it I can't remember the first time I saw it, but, at what point did you realize it was working? Catturd [00:10:04] I don't know. I remember after 2 or 3 months I was I was working on a job in Miami, and I told one of my friends that I was that was rooming with me at the time. We were working there as a menace. Things really taken off and he thought I was crazy. So what? I said this cat turd thing and he's just, he he thought I was nuts. Just, you know, everybody. And I was trying to tell everybody these things really taken off and everybody just like, whatever, you know, here's the shovel start. Get the rocks over there. And oh, and it just it just caught fire. I don't know how I don't know how it did. And it just keeps going. Tucker [00:10:39] Wow. I mean, so you're in Miami rooming with another guy that you're working with. Yeah. On some kind of job? Catturd [00:10:47] Yeah. Fiber optics job. I did fiber optic construction for years after I got finished. You know, with my music career. Tucker [00:10:55] And, like, at the point that Adam Kinzinger starts replying to you and threatening your life. Oh, yeah. By the way, that would be quite a slap fight. Do you feel confident? Catturd [00:11:05] I don't know. You know, it's, he's scary. Catturd [00:11:09] You know. I want to see eye to eye with him. So I'm gonna go get a Home Depot five gallon bucket and stand on it. Tucker [00:11:17] But when Adam Kinzinger himself. Oh, yeah, he's got a, you know, he's got Ukraine to defend. Oh, yeah. He's super busy. Like there's a transitioning or whatever he's doing. When he takes time to attack you and threaten to beat you up or scratch you. Catturd [00:11:33] Yeah, like, that wasn't my meme. I just said, I think I said I shouldn't be laughing at this, but it's funny. Yeah. And then, and then it made it worse. You know, once he does that, that he he don't understand how the internet works. Now, they got his face on it. Yeah. You know, I know now all the time. You see that meme? It's his face on it now. Tucker [00:11:49] Well, how do you understand how the internet works? Catturd [00:11:51] I don't know, I just somehow do. Tucker [00:11:55] Interesting. Yeah. So what is it done to your life? Catturd [00:11:59] Well, it's totally changed my life. You know, financially, I started selling merch, and then, I got a podcast. You know, we got, Jules and I have a co-host, Jules Jones. Our podcast is called In the Litter Box. And, you know, we got a deal with Rumble, which we love. We love Rumble. And, and then, you know, fast forward to these ad shares, which are crazy, you know, with Elon Musk. I mean, it's big money. And, I bought a new truck a couple of weeks ago and never had a new vehicle in my life. Tucker [00:12:35] Yeah. Tucker [00:13:18] It's the most American story ever. Catturd [00:13:20] It really is. Tucker [00:13:21] It really is nuts. Catturd [00:13:23] There's, I don't think there's a lot of people like my situation because like I said, most of the influencers are I mean, they just they've, they've and and they did the right thing, not me. I did the wrong thing. They did the right thing. They've got great wives and kids and, you know, they've made a lot of money. They've got, you know, parents that are successful. And they went to college for sure. And I'm just a working class stiff. Tucker [00:13:47] That well, that's the ruling class of the country. Yeah. And I'm from it. So I know, yeah, so it's pretty amazing to see this happen to you. Catturd [00:13:56] It is. Tucker [00:13:56] And so how much of your day is spent on it? Catturd [00:14:00] Pretty much seven days a week. I'm an insomniac. I always have been. So I get up at 4 or 5 and I basically. Do it seven days a week. You know, 15 hours a day. Tucker [00:14:12] What? So, but you're. You spent your life moving physically, moving outside. Obviously, it's been hard on your body, as you said. Catturd [00:14:21] Oh, it has. Tucker [00:14:21] But it's also there's something good about moving and, I mean, what's it like the change at 55 to go from, you know, being on the road, installing fiber cable to sitting behind the screen all day. Catturd [00:14:33] Oh. It's fantastic. Screw moving. No, but, well, I'm. Tucker [00:14:42] Sorry. That's so awesome. Tucker [00:15:00] 13 rescues? Catturd [00:15:02] Yeah. 13. Now. Tucker [00:15:03] What's that like? Catturd [00:15:05] It's, well, I post all the pictures online, and it's all these beautiful pictures, but they don't see all the fights and the growling, and, you know, they're. He's swallowing a bone and he's swallowed a rope, and they're all chasing a squirrel and they're fighting and, you know, they don't see all that, but it's it. I don't know what happened. But they just started coming to me. I've never been to a rescue shelter. They. I've found all my pets, starving and beaten and abandoned and just on the side of the road, all the dogs. I got two puppies. One of the dogs I got, came in, and she was young. I didn't think anything about it. And she got pregnant. And before I knew it, it was just like I had ten puppies too. Catturd [00:15:51] Two on top of this. And it's funny because I gave them away, and they got Twitter accounts like, I use Twitter accounts, and people follow the puppies like I'm puppy dirty. Tucker [00:16:02] Why do you adopt so many animals? Catturd [00:16:04] I just, I mean, when you see a dog starving, what are you going to do? And then I try to tell myself, I'm going to rehome some of these. And then you spend so much time with them trying to just, like, get them fed. Yeah. They're so the ones I find they're so almost dead, starving to death. So. And then I fall in love with them, and I can't let them go. And it's that simple. Tucker [00:16:29] Wow. That's, I mean, that's pretty. That's pretty amazing. Catturd [00:16:32] But I got to stop. Tucker [00:16:36] Well, now you can afford the dog food. Tucker [00:16:37] Yeah. So, I can and, you know, it's just kind of turn turning thing where people say, hey, cat turd, I got a rescue, and we found on the side of the road, so I'll post it or I'll repost it, and, it's just turned into something I do. I've had kennels built, and you got to keep them separated. Some of them, you know, some of them are fine. They're ten years old, some I found their puppies and some of them just don't like each other. Tucker [00:18:05] Well, tell us what that's like. Catturd [00:18:06] Well, it always usually happens during my podcast, but. So, the last time they, they call and pretend to be me and they said that, that I caught my wife in bed with somebody and I'm not married, so. And, shot on both. And then when the police get there, I'm going to kill them. So they'll try to come up and get you. They try to get you murdered. That's what it is. It's attempted murder. If you ask me. During your podcast. During the, it's always during the podcast. It's happened to me three times. It's happened to a lot of us. You know, it's happened to Marjorie Taylor Greene temple. But once you know, everybody's once you get to a certain level, they're, they're going to come after you. I have they've lately they've been cutting heads off rabbits and throwing them off the body over my gate. That's happened three times now too. Catturd [00:18:57] So we live in a country where the citizenry is surveilled much more thoroughly than North Korea's surveillance its own citizens. Like everything you do is monitored right through your phone. Facial recognition, satellites, everything is monitored. But they can't find the people who are doing this. Yeah. And are they even interested in finding if it happens to us? You know, I mean, who do we call? Who do you call? Tucker [00:19:22] Who do you call? Catturd [00:19:23] Because there is no. By now the local police where I live are awesome. And I support the blue I always have. I just don't support the feds at all. I mean, look what they've turned into. Tucker. It's. It's awful. Tucker [00:19:35] So you call the local cops when this happens. And what do they say? Catturd [00:19:38] Well, the first time I did it, they were like, you're cat turd. And so. Yeah. So I left him after the first time. I gave him a bunch of gear. You know, here, it's got dirt stuff. But they actually come and they patrol my property a lot. Mainly because it's a one horse town. There's nothing else to do. Tucker [00:19:57] Yeah. Catturd [00:19:59] But, they're great, and they watch it like a hawk. You know, they're very protective of it, but. It's like if somebody on the left annoys me, which they do a lot, I'll mute them. Right? If I annoy people, which I understand, I do, they try to have me killed. I mean. Tucker [00:20:17] That's a. Catturd [00:20:17] Big gap. Tucker [00:20:18] Right? It's a big. Tucker [00:20:19] Looting. Attemped Murder. Tucker [00:20:25] So you spend your life watching what's happening. Catturd [00:20:28] Oh, yeah. Tucker [00:20:29] What conclusions have you drawn? Where do you think we're going this year? Catturd [00:20:32] Well, we're in trouble. I mean, it's just. I always try to be positive, but sometimes I can't see a way out of it anymore, can you? I mean, I just don't see a way out of it. And I'm a Trump supporter. I'm a Trump guy. Yeah, if you know, I go back to the it cracks me. The funniest thing to me on X is all the people that do whatever the government says that put resist in their bodies. That's the funniest thing, you know. Black lives matter. Tucker [00:20:59] Obedient little bitches. Catturd [00:21:01] Yeah, whatever. And, they can tell them anything and they'll do it. What if you can convince your voters that men can have babies? Yeah. Think about that. You've got em. Yeah. Know you can tell them. Tell them the word dirty diaper on their head. They're going to do it. They will. Well, they did this. If you don't have a dirty diaper on your head. But once, once they can convince you of that. I mean, you got to know these people are laughing when they're at the bar. The Democrats and the. We've convinced them that men can have babies, and they believe it. And they're calling everybody names. That doesn't believe it. Tuciker [00:21:37] So do you see that changing at all? Catturd [00:21:40] I believe the woke, is the woke part of it is coming to a head. I really do, I think its people are tired of I am and we don't care what names you call us. And I'm a person who believes I don't. You know, I was a hippie. I was a real hippie. Not all these fake hippies online. I was an actual hippie. I mean, I live, I was homeless at one time. I lived up in a tent in a lake for months. Tucker [00:22:02] How was it? Catturd [00:22:04] It was good. I could call it crappy. And I eat them. Every night. You. Tucker [00:22:10] You had crappy every night. Catturd [00:22:12] Oh, well, yeah. You gotta eat somehow. Yeah, so it's a rough spot to be in, but, what are you down that. Tucker [00:22:22] You're saying that people are getting sick of the anti-white stuff, the trans stuff, all that. Catturd [00:22:28] But the kids have a chance. I mean, think about this. I'm 59, and I think you're in your 50s, and we went to school. There was, you know, we actually learned mathematics, social studies, history. But they think about a kid these days. He goes to school, so they start when they're 3 or 4 in kindergarten and they don't have a chance. They look what they do to them now. They're like critical race theory. You get over there. Are you a racist? And you're okay, you're racist. And then they put a mask on you and they teach you that the air you breathe is poison. And then they tell you you're all going to die and burn in hell fire from global warming in 12 years. Think about these little kids, how scared they are. They scare the hell out of them. And then it's, trans this. And they're showing BJs to seven years old in books. And then they go through the whole school and it's like that, and then they step into college. And what's college? This turbo now, you know, and they're brainwashed through. And I honestly think the longer you stay in college, the dumber you get now. Tucker [00:23:36] There isn't any question about it. It makes a lot of sense. Catturd [00:23:39] And so you have these teachers so they go they go through that and then they go and they stay in college as long as they can, or they're 30 years old, and then they go right from there to a teaching job. So they stay on campus until they're 50. So they don't have any life experience. They've never they don't know what it's like to to work for a living or run a business. And they're the ones teaching, you know, and it's just it's horrible. So they don't have a chance. Tucker [00:24:05] So all of this or some of it is going to come to a head this calendar year because of the presidential election. Oh yeah. Where do you see that going? Catturd [00:24:15] Well, man, Trump's going to win the primary. I hope everybody knows that we got him all round and, fight each other and the DeSantis people. We're all I'm in there. We're all fighting each other. But Trump is going to win the primary and he should win it. But what they're doing to him, and they're not, they're not doing it to Trump to do it to Trump. They hate him. But, I always say on the podcast that Washington's okay, as long as they have George Bush versus Obama every year, that's what they want. They want George Bush versus Obama every four years. They split up the $4 trillion where their friends, some of them get it. Sometimes some of them get, but that's what they want. They want Bush versus Obama. They're okay with that. Yeah, they love Nikki Haley. Of course. You know, can. Tucker [00:25:08] Can I ask you to pause? Yeah. And since you're online all day, do you think there's organic support for Nikki Haley? Catturd [00:25:14] There's none. Tucker [00:25:15] Okay. Because she's. I'm not even sure she's an actual human being. Catturd [00:25:18] Yeah, she's the most dangerous. Republican primary candidate. We've had probably one of them in my lifetime. Tucker [00:25:26] Why do you say that? Catturd [00:25:27] She's just I mean, some of the things she said, like she's a neocon number one. Yeah. I mean, my God, how how many times are you going to be fooled America? I mean, from the Vietnam War. Vietnam, North Vietnam beat South Vietnam. It's the it's over for our country. Yeah. So let's send 60,000 people to Korea was, all the Middle Eastern wars. And, she's right in there. Ukraine. Tucker [00:25:53] But unlike you, she served our country in uniform. Oh wait. Catturd [00:25:56] Oh, yeah. Tucker [00:25:58] Yeah. Catturd [00:25:58] Yeah. But she's dangerous. And remember when she said a week ago, if you're anonymous on Twitter or whatever, I want your name. That's what she said. Tucker [00:26:08] You got to register with the government to give your- Catturd [00:26:10] I want your name. Not the government wants it. I do. She's dangerous. I just I get a feel for people. I've always had a knack to kind of feel people out, and I just. It's just. She's like Mike Pence. Nothing they say is authentic. Everything sounds like it's program cliches. Tucker [00:26:30] Yes. Catturd [00:26:31] I've had a lot of bosses in my life and some nasty ones, you know, that's the way bosses are. Yeah. And every person I've ever talked to in my life and ever boss I ever have, they talk exactly like Trump. All of them. I don't have anybody in my life that sits up there like Mike Pence. And, you know, a bird in the hands or two in the bush. You know, just every cliche you can imagine. Tucker [00:26:52] Do you get a creepy vibe off Pence. Catturd [00:26:54] Total. I say on the podcast sometimes. I don't know what skeletons, I'd hate to see what goes on there when the lights go out. Tucker [00:27:04] So, I'm not. Catturd [00:27:05] Just nobody's that perfect, you know? Quit acting perfect. I remember that time. He was like, I can't even have lunch with another woman because I'm married. Even if we're friends. Remember he said. Tucker [00:27:14] Yeah, that's what I was like. Yeah, I had a lot of thoughts about that. I mean, by the way, I think you should. If you're married, you should really actively try not to commit adultery. I think that's attitude. I totally agree with that 100%. But him specifically saying that I reached exactly the opposite conclusion, I'm just going to say that. Catturd [00:27:31] Yeah. I don't trust, when they're that perfect in the it's all, it's just like it's planned. Everything they say is planned and I just that that's why I like Trump. You know, to make some bad, everybody, I don't believe everything you say. You don't believe everything I say. I don't believe Trump doesn't believe everything I say. But I mean what they're doing now. He's already an iconic figure, and they're going to turn him into a martyr. And they're making him more powerful and more powerful and more powerful. And I could see him if the election was fair, I could see him just totally steamrolling. If it was fair, I know it would be. Tucker [00:28:09] You think it will be? Catturd [00:28:12] Well, who do we have, to fight. Who do we have to fight? Ronna McDaniel. Give me a break. I mean, we got Scott Pressler out there beating the streets. He's beating a street like, you know, like a bicycle clown out there. He is going around everywhere. He's registering voters, here on the ground in the Republican Party won't give him the time of day. He knows every rule to every county in this country. And that's, if you can have a thousand of him out there and they train another thousand, you could sweep this thing. Tucker [00:28:43] Why do you think they're not doing that? Catturd [00:28:45] Well. Tucker [00:28:46] I mean, why would you have someone as mediocre and incapable as Ronna McDaniel, who has no track record of success in any area. Why would she run the Republican Party? That's pretty weird. Catturd [00:28:55] I have no idea. Remember when, you know, 90% of the people were complaining about her, you know, getting the job again? I remember one of the donors. So, yeah, this has nothing to do with, the donors pick this. I remember reading a story like that. Tucker [00:29:10] That sounds true. Tucker [00:29:32] Why do you think they hate him so much? Catturd [00:29:35] Because he's not a part of their club. This is not about Trump to me. It's just like, this is an outsider. And we're going to destroy his life, and we're going to show everybody out there. That if you pick an outsider, somebody that we hadn't picked, going back to a Bush versus, you know, Obama situation, if it's not the people we pick that are we are okay with, we're going to destroy their lives. We're going to can't even get a lawyer. They're arrest your lawyer for defending you. And we're going to make up stuff. We're going to sell your property that's worth $1 billion, is worth $13.74. We're going to do whatever we can. And this is to show not just Trump, but to anybody. In the next 50 years, we will see the FBI, the CIA, we will destroy you if you're not our chosen people. And that's what I think's going on. Tucker [00:30:27] If Trump is prevented from appearing on the ballot in November, if he's arrested, you know something even worse happens, which is entirely possible. Catturd [00:30:38] The next step. Tucker [00:30:39] Of course, its the next step. I don't want to say it out loud, everyone. Catturd [00:30:41] I hate saying it Tucker [00:30:43] Of course I'm not going to, but everyone knows I'm talking about. But if he is prevented, if democracy is prevented from proceeding, what do you think the response from his voters is going to be? Since you follow this carefully? Catturd [00:30:56] Well, why do you think they do the January 6th things? They want you scared that if you do anything, you could be, you know, 80 foot away, you know, outside the tape of the Capitol, you could be half a mile away and they're going to come after you. Tucker [00:31:09] Because there haven't been any. I mean, this used to be a country where people felt free to assemble, as is guaranteed them in the Constitution, to make their views known. The demonstrations and rallies you haven't seen, January 6th was the last one on the right that I'm aware of. Catturd [00:31:25] They that's what they're trying to do, scare you. Tucker [00:31:27] So but do you think that there will be demonstrations if something. Catturd [00:31:32] Oh yeah. But like I say, they're just making him more powerful. Tucker [00:31:38] Making Trump more powerful. Tucker [00:31:50] I agree with that. Catturd [00:31:50] He's going to be one of the biggest figures in the history of our country, not because of what he did, but because of how they're treating him. And they're making him more powerful. And if he gets arrested, he gets put in a jail. Can you imagine if it could happen? People say, could happen. Oh, it could happen. Tucker [00:32:08] It could happen very easily. Who should he pick as his running mate? Catturd [00:32:12] Oh, man. I go back and forth from this. I would like to say this, that I don't think the VP pick really matters that much. I mean, we got Harris as V.P.. Tucker [00:32:23] That's right. Catturd [00:32:24] Yeah, but. I'll tell you, it takes a long time for me to trust you. But I'm starting to like Vivek, and I'm not sure if he's fake. And I'm not sure if it's just a show, but, man, he's pissing them off. Oh, that is me and you. Tucker [00:32:40] Yeah, they hate him. Catturd [00:32:41] They do. And he's saying, I mean, boy, he the damn debate. My God, he got Rona McDanield. He got all of mad, but he in in it. Funny, he's running the campaign exactly what DeSantis should have been running. He's running the campaign that DeSantis. But Desantis is running a Nikki Haley campaign. Tucker [00:33:01] Does it seem that way? Catturd [00:33:02] It does to me. I think you said something about his own team is just so cringe. And I- Tucker [00:33:08] I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have gotten involved in that. I've been trying to stay out of it. I just and I know someone- Catturd [00:33:15] But they are. I don't understand it. I mean, people like, you know, people build trust with you. It's consistency over time. And when you're a Trump supporter, well, some of them hated Trump. Then you loved Trump and you loved him, and now you loved Desantis. And then if he's gone you're going to love Nikki Haley. People don't trust that. And I don't have anything against any of them. I mute a lot of them. You'd a lot of them. I don't carry grudges with people. And I welcome anybody in when it's over. You know, I don't have any. Tucker [00:33:46] Do you think? But it does. I mean, I don't follow it very closely. I'll admit. I don't want to follow it closely, but it does seem like there's an enormous bitterness between the DeSantis people and the Trump people. Catturd [00:33:57] Oh there is. It's crazy. And I try not to get into the personal attacks. I'm kind of like Trump even on X. I I'll if you want to, you know, I'm a shitpost or if you want, if you want to come out the ship poster with 2 million followers. Come on. And an army of, you know, foaming at the mouth is waiting for me, say some, you know, to get on somebody. But I'm very seldom I don't just attack first. But, you know, if you keep attacking me. Yeah, and but it doesn't bother me. I don't take any of this stuff personally. I mean, I don't either, you know, they call me every name in the book, you know, what I'll be called, you know, they'll, you know, you're old, you're fat, you're ugly. I mean, that's how they fight, you know, which all three are kind of true. But people get so mad at this, and you have to, like, if you have to step back from it. And I think it's funny, I've lived in the real world where, you know, I've been in bar fight, you know, I mean, I, I'm real, you know, stuff. So you know, somebody's calling me ugly and old and Boomer, I don't care. Catturd [00:35:12] Yeah. Do you, I don't care. Tucker [00:35:19] I dont even know what people say. I care what the people I love say. That's it. And like you I have a lot of dogs which really helps. Do you think the breach between those two camps, Trump Desantis, can be fixed? Catturd [00:35:20] Thats me. Yeah. I think, you know, some of it, some people can't, but most people can. But this is my first primary. I mean, it's been I don't know if it's ever been this vicious, but, so I supported DeSantis, some Florida guy, and I was glad he was either good or not. I don't get paid by any campaign. And I pushed hard, and I was so glad when he won by 20 points and I was so happy. And I think he's a good governor. And, so and I try to tell people you got, I don't want him so beaten down and hammered that we end up getting a blue governor next, you know, a Gavin Newsom to destroy our state. I mean you're here now. But someone from his team. Not crazy, but they asked me my honest opinion about it. When he said he was going to run, and I was like, don't do it. Whatever you do, don't run. Think about. And this is what I told him. I said, okay, he's 44. Yeah. And he just won reelection by the biggest landslide. I was like govern your state. Perfecty. How perfect is the timing when you're with the end of your eight years is up? It's right. Would be right. Getting in the meat of the 2028. That's right. So I this is what I term support Trump because he helped you and you don't you don't want the Trump supporters. They can destroy you. I mean you don't want them. You know you don't want to turn on them I swear I said look, just please, this is my advice. Just have him govern governor, support Trump all he can. And in 28, you got Biden with only four years left for Trump with only four years left. And now you're more popular. And now you have all the Trump people, you have all the DeSantis people, and you can moonwalk into the white House in 2028. Moonwalk. That's my exact words I used. Tucker [00:37:23] What was the response you got? Catturd [00:37:25] You know, okay, nice. Tucker [00:37:26] Yeah. Catturd [00:37:29] A lot of people don't take me too seriously, but it and I hate it. I hate it's going like this, but. Tucker [00:37:35] A lot of people do take you seriously, which is interesting. It is. And I can see why I think you're insightful. Catturd [00:37:40] You know, think. Tucker [00:37:40] How many politicians have you met personally? Catturd [00:37:43] Well, when they when, personally, you know, I kind of keep to myself, but dumb wise and messaged me. They all love me when it comes to election time. Hey, will you retweet this and retweet this? And, I can't name five people in either party, I trust. I just don't trust anybody anymore. And they don't. They don't deserve our trust. The Republican Party, I mean, come on, they don't know how to fight. Tucker [00:38:07] You know? Catturd [00:38:08] I know they're over there talking about their principles and their rest in their political opponent. So you better get in the game and we get the power of the gavel. And what do they do with it? Seriously? Nothing. I mean, this is how you fight when you get to gavel, you do your own January 6th committee. Tucker [00:38:25] But do you think it's because they don't understand how to fight or they're throwing the match? Catturd [00:38:29] I don't know if they just don't care. Yeah. Ah, they don't know how. Ah, they're just cowards. But the truth is, see, this is how you fight. You get a January 6th committee and you don't allow any Democrats on it, and you put everybody on it. They hate just like they did, she put Marjorie Taylor Greene. Boebert. Matt Gaetz. That's the January 6th committee. You don't allow them to have any witnesses and you start subpoena and let's see what Nancy Pelosi was talking to the Capitol Police. She starts attacking and everybody. And you have it on C-Span every day for years. And if they if you don't start fighting like that, it's over for this country. Tucker [00:39:02] Well, but and also you have an obligation to that because it's in pursuit of the truth, I know. What do you make of the fact that the new speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, has not released the videotape, which he controls? Catturd [00:39:14] Well, I told everybody, you know, that he was he was going to be awful. I warned everybody there had that little Kumbaya moment. He did what did he do? Exactly what Kevin McCarthy did. He said he's going to release it. So they get the big headlines, gets everybody excited. They release 1% of 1%, and then they just don't do it anymore. And look what when you release that the shaman, he got out of prison because of that one little five minutes. Think of what if they would just release it. Just release it. But they can't do it. It's just push the button, just push the button and release it. I know when he was talking about Ukraine fund and he's like, well, we have to at some point do the Ukraine funding because we don't want Russia steamrolling over Europe. That was his exact words. Or I'm paraphrasing. Tucker [00:40:02] Do you think I mean, obviously you'd have to be really stupid to believe that. I'm assuming he's not stupid. I mean, why would he say something. Catturd [00:40:09] Is that it's the same thing they always do to get us ginned up about a war. Tucker [00:40:13] Also, by the way, if Russia invaded Western Europe, could it be in worse shape than it is now? I mean, it was the US government that blew up the German economy. It wasn't the Russians. It was the Biden administration that blew up Nord Stream. Oh yeah. And ended their main source of cheap energy. So it could the Russians be worse than that? Maybe, I guess, but, like, I don't get it. Catturd [00:40:33] Well, you know, they've used Ukraine as kind of their 51st state and they were no rules. Yeah. The bio labs, which they lied about and told the truth. Everybody in Washington, their kids over there making $4 million a year, you know, at some kind of company. But so I don't I don't let them gin me up, and and they try to gin you up more and get you mad. And I can't get emotional when we have 100,000 people. Donna. Fentanyl poisoning in our own country. I'm not going to get emotional. I hate war, I'm anti war. I'm the one that wants a peace deal. You're the one who wants to keep. And here's the problem with Ukraine. I think we're going to end up in the same spot a year or so from now. I think there going to be a peace agreement at some point, and there's going to be a million dead people, and Russia's going to take a little bit of the country, and we're going to be in the same place we would have been. Tucker [00:41:22] And no one will ever apologize for all those dead. Catturd [00:41:24] And they're just going to call us Putin puppets because we want peace. And that's it. Tucker [00:41:28] I couldn't agree more. So let first of all, thank you for doing this. Catturd [00:41:31] I appreciate no problem. Tucker [00:41:33] Last question. You, so you've you went from installing fiber line to becoming legitimately famous. Only because of your voice you were allowed to talk in public. It was purely democratic, like people liked what you said. They supported you. All of that is contingent on having a voice. Do you think a year from now you will have the same voice? You'll be allowed to say the things that you are saying now? Catturd [00:41:57] Well, I hope so. But, you see what they're doing to come after me? I you know, I hate to say this, but I tell my family all the time, hey, they had big frame me. Who know? I mean, I don't trust him. No. And I hate saying that I want an FBI. I don't feel that way about. But, hey, you know, they can do anything they can. If they want to get me, they're going to get me. But I'm not going to. Shut up. So that's it. I'm not shutting up. Tucker [00:42:24] So do you feel that you will be able to reach the same audience a year from now? Tucker [00:42:47] And where did you do it? Catturd [00:42:48] Yeah, that's a redneck Riviera. Up at his place in November. That's what my big coming out where I got to see me. And I had some great musicians. We're actually, one of the, musicians, Angie Shapiro, who is a. It's got a you'd love this story. Tucker, it's the great American comeback story. He wrote, a cry for, Faith Hill. And she won a Grammy. And he was this, like, unbelievable musician with his voice. And, he was on his way up, sign with, you know, a record label. And then he had a stroke and completely lost his voice and couldn't talk. And so he spent, I think 2016, 2017 learn how to talk again. And so now he's on his way back up and we he was he was there and, we're doing an event for him on the 24th. So I'm going to just keep kind of staying in my lane and, just do what I do. You know, I probably won't go into the red carpet events to meet everybody and get pictures. Tucker [00:43:59] So we're going to miss you at Davos next week. Catturd [00:44:02] Yeah. I'm not going to be there. Tucker [00:44:03] You're not going to be there. Catturd [00:44:04] Yeah I don't know. I just don't seem like a fit in there to me. I'm more of the hanging out with the people kind of person. No, but it was nice to meet you. And I really appreciate you inviting me. Tucker [00:44:16] We're grateful to have you. Catturd, Thank you.

READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] So the current debate over AI artificial intelligence is about whether the technology will become sentient and autonomous and enslave us all. And of course, that will probably happen. But in the meantime, we thought it'd be interesting revisiting the original debate about AI, which is about how it affects work. What are the rest of us going to do for a living when machines can do it for us? And there's nobody who's thought more deeply about this in about work in general, and its centrally to human dignity, then Mike Rowe. And we are, as always, honored to have him in studio. Mike, thank you for coming on. Mike Rowe [00:00:34] First of all, you win the desk. Tucker [00:00:37] It's wood. Mike Rowe [00:00:37] Are you kidding? I mean, how old is this? Mike Rowe [00:01:00] What happened after the hurricane down here? Because I know, I know, that was a big deal. And I know you love trees. And I know that couldn't have been great. Tucker [00:01:08] Yes, but most of the trees in Florida are fake trees. Actually, they're not real. That I don't think a palm tree is actually a tree. I mean, the tree is a white pine, a tree is a sequoia, a tree is, you know, all the various hardwoods, oak, beech, locust, Locust. Exactly. Cut some locust of summer. Anyways, sorry. Mike Rowe [00:01:29] Chop your own wood. It'll warm you one. Tucker [00:01:31] Yes. That's exactly three times. Good to stack it and then split it. Yeah. So what the. I saw, like, seven years ago, I remember talking to you, I think was about seven years ago, about what I was going to do to working class America, to truck drivers. The most common job for high school educated men. And, you know, a lot of thoughts about that. But the conversation has progressed so dramatically since then. And so is the technology. Right. So where are you on thinking about that? Mike Rowe [00:01:58] So there was a time when the big conversation. At least in my lane anyway, was really more about robotics and tech, right? The robots are going to come and they're going to displace a lot of blue collar jobs. And how do we stop that? How do we think about that? And I remember you and I talked about the Luddite rebellion. Mike Rowe [00:02:15] Yes. Tucker [00:02:17] We talked about endorsing it actually. Mike Rowe [00:02:18] Yes. Right. And it's like and the disruption theories and this idea that real replacement is, is going to happen, it almost never happens as I understand it. You know, I've seen it in our industry too. You know, there's a lot of talk about you know, what was going to happen when newspapers when film came along, what was going to happen to film when came along? Yeah. What was going to happen to music and DVDs? And I mean, none of it really goes away. But it all shifts. It's all impacted. Tucker [00:02:50] Yes. Mike Rowe [00:02:50] So I was struck by the fact that all of a sudden we weren't talking about the impact of robots on blue collar jobs, but the impact of AI on white collar jobs. Right? That's what interested me. Tucker [00:03:05] And which I enjoyed. Mike Rowe [00:03:07] Well, I mean. Tucker [00:03:08] Sorry, I'm a bad person, but- Mike Rowe [00:03:10] Look, it is super creepy. I mean, I got a link from a buddy who said, hey, man, not for nothing. But I went on to one of these sites, and I said narrate for me in the style of Mike Rowe. These two paragraphs. And he sent me a link to this. And basically it was two paragraphs from an old episode of Deadliest Catch. And I hit play and I listen to me now. Had I not known it was not me. I would have thought, well that's something I narrated you know, for fun. Tucker [00:03:44] I couldn't tell the difference. Mike Rowe [00:03:45] Couldn't tell when I listened for it. I heard some things that made me go maybe. Maybe not quite, but that was two months ago. Which might as well be two years ago or 20 years ago. So the speed with which artificial intelligence. Something about Moore's Law. Something faster. Tucker [00:04:00] Faster, and that's running faster. Mike Rowe [00:04:02] So I, I part of me wants to say, don't forget the lesson from the Luddites. Don't it's not going to completely upend everything. Unless it does. And I don't know because this does feel different. Tucker [00:04:18] I don't know, I had a motorcycle once with a crack in the intake manifold that I didn't see, and it made it obviously run lean. And I ran so great, faster and faster and faster and faster until literally the spark plug burned a hole through the piston. I uses it, yeah, as a pen holder in my desk today. But there's something about speed and acceleration that has a natural limit, doesn't it? Tucker [00:04:57] Or at least I have a sexual encounter with the person. Mike Rowe [00:04:59] Look, here's how jacked up it is for me, my entire career is actually based on I, early on in Dirty Jobs there was this big conversation at the network when they were like, look, this show, it was it was a nightmare for them because it was rating really, really well. But it was off brand like Dirty Jobs was not supposed to be. The show that people went to discover to love. Now it was that those were still the days of Attenborough and Shark Cousteau and Jane Goodall. This was, to those of me, a smart alec looking under rocks, making poop jokes that that's not supposed to be, that. So they're like, can you smarten it up a little bit? And I said, well, I've been looking at some science type jobs and they're like. Like what? I'm like, well, I'd like to take a deep dive and I and they're like, that's great. That's great. If you can find Dirty Jobs and I, we're golden now. Did they think I was talking about artificial insemination? Probably not. Probably not. Tucker [00:06:02] Did you do that episode? Mike Rowe [00:06:05] Four days later. I was at the circle X ranch somewhere outside of Houston with my arm up to my shoulder, inside a couple of dozen cows, taking instructions from a cowboy named Steve, who was walking me through the process of artificially inseminating the cows. I also had a remarkable encounter with a bull called Hudsucker Commando. And the process whereby the sperm is extracted from this minotaur, right? And then put back into these unsuspecting. Bovines, giving us. It's basically a Brahman bull. And an Angus cow could shoot brangus meat. Tucker [00:06:39] With you, without getting specific, did you go through that entire process? Extraction? Mike Rowe [00:06:44] Oh, extraction. Oh, yeah. No, I gathered I had a Styrofoam cup. There were probes. There was insertion into the bull light current stimulated the prostate. The white gold flew through the air. I captured as much of it as I could, and I put the whole thing on air a week later, and I got called to the principal's to do. The question was, you promised us a show on, artificial intelligence. And I said, did I? And then we had this big conversation about science. And the moral of the story is there's more science and artificial insemination. Then there is an I, or at least as much, and in a much deeper, much more meaningful way. We are so disconnected from our food. We're disconnected from our energy. And dirty jobs. On the surface was just a ramp. It was exploding toilets. And misadventures in artificial or animal husbandry or whatever it was. But in reality, it was a pretty thoughtful look at what keeps us connected. And what we've become disconnected from, so ultimately, the show stayed on the air, and that episode aired to ridiculous ratings, by the way, which is why I violated every other barnyard creature known to man. Ratings gold. But the thing is, there's no McDonald's. There's no Carl's Jr, there's no fast food, there's no slow food. There's no meat industry, as we understand it without the other eye. So that's kind of a long way of saying I'm most interested to see how artificial intelligence. And artificial insemination are going to somehow hopefully come together. Tucker [00:08:22] But so how does know that's such a such a smart point? How does it how does this quantum increase in computing power, which is really what artificial intelligence just master computation. How does that affect the real economy, like the actual physical stuff that keeps us alive? Mike Rowe [00:08:37] Well, I don't know. But I do think that what's going on in the real economy and what's going on in the, in, in the real country is this. This unraveling of connectivity people. And I put myself in this in this group. We've become really disconnected from some very primary things. Yes, I commented on your desk right away. It's primal. It's fun. It's I love it. It looks like what it is. Yes. You know. Yeah. And I don't know, it's to to reconnect with basic things is to be around fundamental things. I like what you've done with the place. Tucker [00:09:16] Oh, I like to sniff it. You know I do. Mike Rowe [00:09:19] If you're going to sell shirts, do me a favor and put that on it. Tucker [00:09:22] The thing I don't like about the digital experience is it doesn't smell like anything. Because it's not real. Mike Rowe [00:09:26] Smells like on wheat. Tucker [00:09:28] Yeah. Smells like God. We had self-hatred. Yeah. You're right. Mike Rowe [00:09:33] But anyway. So helping. To be reconnected to where our food comes from. It's where our energy comes from, what our what our history is. And to do with humor. That was the goal of that show, today. Not to sell too high minded, but it's one of the goals of my foundation. You know, I don't really have permission to talk about I that's not really my lane. I don't really quite know what I'm doing. But on a personal level, when somebody sends you a link that sounds so much like you, you can't tell the difference. Then then you, you start to connect to it because it gets personal. So I think what I think what's going to happen is this stuff is going to stop being. Ephemeral, theoretical, and people are going to find real, real, real personal stuff. With regard to I think look, when you go on Twitter and there's a video of you praising Hitler, it's not really you, deep fakes. Tucker [00:10:41] Come on. That's going to happen. Right? Mike Rowe [00:10:43] That's going to happen. And porn. You know, porn is on the leading edge of every new tech all the time. And what does that what does that mean for the next generation? Tucker [00:10:57] Well, I notice it with its rise. I never talk about it, really. Hinton. Just, you know, was it was. Thank you. Fewer people have sex with human beings. And no one ever says that. And I don't even like doing topical stories on because it's too embarrassing. But it's true. Mike Rowe [00:11:13] But here we are. Here we go. Oh, my God, are you. You make me very calm. I just look, I just confessed an encounter with a bull. Tucker [00:11:20] You have your hand up a cow. But it does seem like the cow. Mike Rowe [00:11:24] Still calls me, by the way. Tucker [00:11:25] Oh, definitely. Mike Rowe [00:11:28] When are you coming back? Fancy man with your opposable. Thumbs and whatnot. Tucker [00:11:32] 2 a.m. booty calls. Hey, what are you doing? So. Excuse me. Miss you so much. What are you wearing? So, it does seem like the net effect of almost all digital or even maybe technological advance is to separate us from each other to a greater degree. Mike Rowe [00:11:50] So remember Faith popcorn? Tucker [00:11:53] Yes. Very well. Mike Rowe [00:11:53] So the popcorn report was this thing is published every couple of years. It was, it's a futurist, right? Tucker [00:12:00] A trend spotter, correct. And a relentless self-promoter. Relent. I think I had her on about 15 times. And then you really. Of course. Come on. I worked at cable news. Mike Rowe [00:12:08] All right. You know, short term recall. Oh, she talked about burrowing? Yes. Right. This idea that as technology advances, we're going to have an easier time making our world smaller. And we're and we're going to burrow into our homes, and eventually we're going to be able to see movies on very intelligent TVs and so forth. She kind of predicted all that. Of course, it all came true. And then she wrote about something called, cocooning. So after you burrow, you just cocoon. So it's deeper and deeper and our homes become smarter. And the tech becomes more, the present. And anything we want can be brought to us. By a giant company that owns all of the vans and every, every. So in a way, we're more connected vis-a-vis fiber optics and relationships and so forth than we've ever been. But on the other hand, I think she was right. We are. We are so deeply burrowed into our space that, yeah, AI is going to take us to whatever that next level is. And, and sex is going to be a topic we're probably going to have to talk about because I mean, I've read the I've read these studies that say young men in particular are not. It's not having sex. The way they are. Tucker [00:13:31] What that means is they're not having like, deeper levels of human connection. Mike Rowe [00:13:39] I can't. I don't have any great insight to it. My. My personal. My personal belief is people are having as much sex as they've as they've ever had. Maybe more. They're just alone. Tucker [00:13:50] Yeah, well, that's the new one. I don't know why that's not, like, described as a tragedy. That seems like a tragedy to me. It's the whole point of life as you arrive alone and depart alone. In the interim, you try to connect with other people. Yes. Mike Rowe [00:14:04] It's this, and we are slowly arbitrage ING the wood out of the desk. We are slowly getting rid of all the human, yes. It's just you can feel it happening. My favorite author, actually, you probably know. I mean, it's very, very famous. In South Florida. Jordy Ardell? Yes. Wrote the Travis McGee mysteries. Best pulp fiction ever written. And that stuff today reads like a prophecy. McGee talked all of the time about this slow unraveling, and he was so wary of of so much of what he predicted was coming. And of course, it did. He lived off the grid on a houseboat called the Busted Flush. That he won in a poker. Game. He solve crimes. Essentially, he helped people recover that much. Tucker [00:15:03] So he's not the only one. And I'm not even there are some very controversial, very bad people, actually. But if you lived very isolated lives. Who were able maybe, therefore, to see the future more clearly. Why is it that solitude, silence, removal from the bustle of human society allows some people this extraordinary vision into the future? You wouldn't think that. Mike Rowe [00:15:28] Yeah, but it's sort. Of the virtue of boredom. Michael Easter writes about this book called The Comfort Crisis that I like the lot where. We've identified boredom as a great enemy, and we're surrounded by things to make sure we're never bored. It's why we can do this is why we do this. And that's why our attention spans get smaller and smaller and smaller, because we've waged a war against boredom. But it's the process of not doing anything. Putting all the devices down. Being alone with. Yourself that let your brain wander. And pretty soon you'll just Forrest. Gump your way through a bunch of things you didn't even know you were going to think about. And then you arrive at conclusions you didn't know you wanted to arrive at. But you're glad you did. All our ideas come from, you're never bored, if you're always stimulated, then. Then you've made a trade. You've made a bargain. And it's probably a bad one. Fraught with unintended consequences. Tucker [00:16:34] And for a guy who does artificial insemination shows, it's pretty deep and spot on. I would say. Mike Rowe [00:16:40] I did it very well. Tucker [00:16:41] So let me, the other day, I want to put up a clip from former President Barack Obama talking about the other eye, the digital eye, him and his idea for how this can bring us together or solve our economic crises, etc.. Here he is: Obama Soundbite [00:16:57] If you are interested in helping to shape all these amazing questions that are going to be coming up, go to ai.gov and see if there are opportunities for you fresh out of school. Or you might be an experienced, you know, tech coder who's you know, done fine, you know, bought the house, got everything set up and says, you know what, I want to, do something for the common good. Sign up. Tucker [00:17:26] So here we have a former president saying the government is going to harness AI for, quote, the common good. Okay. And, you know, I don't want to be skeptical or cynical at all, but that does sort of make me wonder what's going on here. Any idea? Mike Rowe [00:17:41] Again, it's a bit outside me. Lane, I think. I'm sure there's some. Some validity in the, in the message and there's probably real. Opportunity in the, in the vertical. As they say. But we have 11. Million open jobs right now that we're struggling to fill. None of them of require an understanding of. Tucker [00:18:03] I had 11 million. Mike Rowe [00:18:05] Well, 10.8 was the. Last number I saw quarter. Tucker [00:18:08] And you know, what are they exactly? Mike Rowe [00:18:10] Speaking broadly. Yeah, most of them don't. Require for your degree. They require training. Yeah. Most of them require a willingness to roll up your sleeves and sometimes get your hands dirty. Welders, plumbers, steam fitters, pipefitters, electricians, heating, air conditioning, so forth. For the last. 20 years or so, for every five who retire over the course of the year to replace them. It's troubling math. Terrible arithmetic is Lincoln. Yeah. Would have said. And so the skills gap. Is a real thing. And that part of our workforce has been. Well, woefully. Neglected. Beginning really around the time we took shop class out of high school. And we've had our thumb on the scale of education in a very specific way for a long time. We have, we've made a very. Persuasive case for higher ed. And the former presidents making a pretty persuasive case for careers in artificial intelligence. And. Fine, we. Can all do two things at the same time, this thing's right in front of us. Tucker [00:19:21] But if we changed the emphasis in higher education, I mean, it's entirely possible we could run our sociologists, point. Mike Rowe [00:19:28] And then there's something about this. Tucker [00:19:31] So, I mean, you've been saying this for a long time. Pretty much a lone voice, but I've never heard anybody disagree with you. Because, like, on what grounds could someone disagree with you on your list? No, but I mean, in a substantive way. Mike Rowe [00:19:45] Well, what people disagree with is the idea that you can promote one thing without tearing down another. That's the trap that we're in. That's what happened to us. We at higher ed, needed better PR. And in the 70s and 80s we got it. And thank God we needed more engineers. We needed more scientists. Don't know about sociologists. But the higher education. Needed a shot in the arm. Unfortunately, we weren't content to simply make the case for higher ed. We had to do it at the expense of everything else. And so trade schools took it. In the NEC, community colleges were relegated to something your kid did if they couldn't write about it here. Yeah, but of course, those forms of education are also attached to a big chunk of our workforce. And so we kind of waged a war on. Alternative education or call it. Lower education if you want. Because if it's higher over here, it by definition has to be lower over here. So we drew a real clear line. And we told people that if you don't get the most expensive degree that you can, if you don't take the most expensive path there is, you're going to. Wind up doing something subordinate. The result is this idea. That all these great jobs are essentially vocational. Consolation prizes. Meanwhile the opportunities that exist. Tucker. I mean, look, I appreciate the kind words. I have been. Beating the drum for 15 years. Foundation turn 15 on Labor Day. We felt about 2000 people get trained in these areas. And I'm telling you it. Most of my. Soapbox stuff in the early days was anecdotal. It was what I thought. And it was what I saw in Dirty Jobs, and it was. This feeling. That we were affirmatively neglecting a whole lot of opportunity. Now the stats have bolstered that. The headlines have caught up. To my own smack. But most importantly. The people we've helped five, six years. Ago are sitting down with. Me today. And answering questions like. Well, how's it going? I'll say. And I'll say. I'll tell you how it's going. You help me. Got a welding. Mike Rowe [00:21:58] Degree? Six years ago today, I owned three vans, a mechanical contracting company. I've got a plumber. And I've got an electrician to work with me every day. We're all making six figures a year. We work when we want. And I hear these stories that after day after day after day. And I look around and I. I'm not asking the feds to do anything. I did. I went to Congress three times. Over the years, and I said. Guys, we need a better PR campaign for this chunk of the workforce. The math is awful, and we're not going to be having a conversation about, oh my gosh, you mean a plumber can really make that much? We're going to be having a conversation about what do you mean? I have to wait four days for a plumber. And that's what's happening now. So with great respect to Obama. Make the case. For opportunities and I, but who the hell is. Making the case for the opportunity to make this. Table totally right? Who's where is the passion for the prosperity that will surely follow? If you take the time learn a skill that's in demand and work your ass off, that's still for sale, it's still real, and I can't find anybody. I and I've looked I've been doing this for 15 years also. Tucker [00:23:19] I mean, you make such a rational, logical fact base case that, as you suggested, has become indisputable with time, arguing it's this point. But there's also something that I'm having trouble describing. But there is something morally or spiritually different and elevated about making things over, rearranging things, or being a parasite in the real economy. In other words, it's it's better for you as a person to run a sawmill than it is to be, say, a high speed trader. Mike Rowe [00:23:48] You know. Tucker [00:23:49] It it I just think that, I mean, am I being crazy? And I don't think I'm just being, like, stupid populist. Oh, the working man is always better than the working man. Sometimes drunk. Okay, in the morning, I get it. Yep. But I just think the nature of the work matters. If I'm a pornographer, it's probably not good for me. But if I'm, you know, really skilled drywall hanger, maybe it is. Mike Rowe [00:24:09] Of course. Yes, but I would only say that it's the. It's the trap of the binary. Again. Yeah, that's the trap. Remember? I guess it was 2016 Republican debates. All 17 are up there, right? Mike Rowe [00:24:27] Something like amazing. I forget the exact question. But Marco Rubio's answer was, let me tell you what we need in this country are fewer philosophers and more welders. So a crowd claps. Big applause line. There was a lot of true love. Your comment about sociologist earlier. It's fine, I get it. But what was interesting was like my social. Channels blew up with people going, hey this guy's this guy's really saying it for so long. I said, actually, no, no, that's not my point. My point would be what our country needs are more. Welders who can talk intelligently about Nietzsche or Right or Kierkegaard. And we need more philosophers who can run an even beat. Okay, yes. It's this idea that a welder is somehow unsigned. Look, I don't know where my cell phone is. Now. There's yours. You and I, with this internet connection, we've got access to something we didn't when we were in school, which is 98% of the known information. On some land. So in my foundation, I try and make the point. To the people who apply for our for our work ethic scholarships. I say, look, this is learn the skill. Be great at it. But for God's sakes, go get your liberal arts education. Not at Brown. You don't have to borrow all that money to do that. Just. Be interested, be curious. I watched a lecture nights ago from MIT on my phone. For free. For free. Now, I'm not saying it's the same experience, but it's the same information. It's all available. And if that doesn't, like fire you up as a curious person, to not be completely engaged by the undeniable fact that most of the known information on that planet is in your pocket and accessible. Right? That's a very liberal arts kind of thing to say. But I'm not saying it to your basic liberal arts student. I'm saying it to the welders and the steam fitters and the pipefitters and the mechanics. That have come through our foundation, because the most interesting people on the planet. And I know I'm preaching to the choir. You know. Do you know the person who made this desk? Tucker [00:26:54] I don't. I wish I did. Mike Rowe [00:26:56] I do too, because I guarantee you, they got a story. Tucker [00:26:58] My best friends runs the sawmill. You know. No, I'm all about. I'm all about sawmill. It's the. Mike Rowe [00:27:03] It's the. I'm all about sawmills, too. But I'm all about the a well-rounded proprietor. I really think that the thing that's most missing. Mike Rowe [00:27:15] Today. Mike Rowe [00:27:16] Is that balance. Tucker [00:27:18] You ever read Wendell Berry? Yeah. Offer? Yeah. From North Carolina. Mike Rowe [00:27:22] Well, there's a. Truth bomb. Yeah. One after the next. It's our next. Sure. Tucker [00:27:28] So, do you see any evidence that. I know people are listening to you, and I, again, would argue I haven't seen anyone kind of refute what you're saying. But do you have any sense that it's there's changing, that it's moving. Mike Rowe [00:28:00] So there's this guy runs a think tank oculus name is Todd Rose. He's become a friend of mine. In fact, I had him on my podcast not long ago. Really, really important research that has to do primarily. With collective illusions. In fact, he has a book called Collective Illusions and one of the things that personally really struck me was that 80% of the information on Twitter is created by and percent. The people on Twitter. And so it's really easy to look at that platform and many others too, and assume a consensus. And so once we as humans realize that there is a consensus or a majority who believe a certain thing. Then will by and large fall in line many times. Supporting things that we personally don't really support. Like for instance, right now there is- Tucker [00:28:51] I've seen this way like, well. Mike Rowe [00:28:54] And if you look for it, you'll see it everywhere. It's mind boggling. So and this was kind of a wake up call for me because for 15 years I've been talking about this this deeply held belief. The parents and guidance counselors are truly believe that the best path for their kids. Is this most expensive path. But the latest research. When you really sit people down and take a deep, deep dive on Gen Z right now. Is ranking the importance of a college education. Out of 50 different things. At 47. Tucker [00:29:32] That seems high. Mike Rowe [00:29:34] Well, it used to be three, right? But in the course of the last 5 or 6 years, like a lot of people, it made me wonder, has something shifted? It in that generation that I just haven't seen, and I'm hopeful that it has. People are starting to get the message that just because. You've got $200,000 in debt and a nice diploma. Doesn't mean the world. Is going to beat a pathway to your door. It doesn't mean you're going to get hired in your chosen field. Tucker [00:30:05] Doesn't mean you're well educated. Mike Rowe [00:30:07] Doesn't mean anything at all. Except for the fact that you owe $200,000, right? That's what it means. That diploma is a receipt as surely as it is anything else. Right? The information you got in exchange for it. Well, that that's a tool. And how you use it is none of my business. And people are starting I think I think to realize at least this research indicates that our fascination with the golden ticket. That's always been a college diploma is starting to wane and honestly, I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Tucker [00:30:47] One of our many postwar assumptions that probably should be updated after 80 years. What's the state of our vocational education in the United States like is. I think our engineering programs are still really good. Yeah. But like welding, plumbing, electrical. And then some of the higher, you know, electrical engineering, etc. Are we still leading the world in that stuff? Mike Rowe [00:31:09] I don't know of any company. In this country who doesn't have some sort of internal training program to try and get those skills taught. Certainly nobody's coming out of high school with those skills. People are coming out of trade schools. With the basics, but the actual finishing almost always happens within the company. So a lot of that work is being done privately. It’s back to shop class. You know, it starts with interest. It starts like, if you're a if you're a 14 year old kid with no real clear idea of. What you want to do, and you're walking down the corridor of your high school, and you stick your head in the woodshop. And you stick your head in the metal shop, and you stick your head in. Any number of vocational. Shops you can at least. Optically see what the work looks like. Or might look like. And for a lot of people who got. Into the trades. That's where it began. They saw something that resonated with them. In a in a switch flipped. Today. You don't see it. I mean, what more. Persuasive thing could you say to a kid regarding the skill trades? Then don't even look at. We're just going to remove all proof of their existence from sight. That's what we did when we. Took shop class out of high school. And it's not a coincidence that. I mean, I think I can draw a pretty straight line. That event. At $1.7 trillion of outstanding student loans, 10.8 million open jobs, and maybe even 7.2 million. Able bodied men in the prime of their life, according to Nicholas Eberstadt, and a book called Men Without. Tucker [00:33:01] Work. Great book. Mike Rowe [00:33:02] We're sitting on not only not working, but affirmatively not looking for work, spending in excess of 2000 hours a year. Wiping and looking at screens. That's never happened before. Not in peacetime anyway. In fact, we are in peacetime. All of that stuff together. I can walk back and albeit a fairly circuitous route. But we took shop class out of high schools and we didn't think. Anything was going to happen as a result. Everything happened. Tucker [00:33:35] Everything, right? People lost their dignity. So you. I got to ask you. You were an opera singer. Mike Rowe [00:33:42] Well, I sang in the opera. I've also ski down mountains, but very few people say, oh, it's Mike Rowe, the skier. Tucker [00:33:51] I've ski down many mountains. I've never seen opera. But, I mean, is there ever a time when you do it still? Mike Rowe [00:33:57] Oh, yeah. Weddings. Tucker [00:33:58] Funerals for real? Mike Rowe [00:34:00] I sing all the on my podcast. I write unauthorized jingles for all the sponsors. And segment for part harmony as it amuses me. Tucker [00:34:09] Do you ever sing in Italian store? Mike Rowe [00:34:11] So the first thing I learned. I got to the opera. When I was 22 because I couldn't get an agent. I couldn't get an agent because I couldn't get my SAG card. So I couldn't audition for commercials and roles in TV, which is what I wanted to do. And so it's this weird circle. You can't get your SAG card. Unless you've done union work, can't get an agent unless you have a SAG card and you can't get a book. Anyhow, if you got in the opera. That you become a member of the American Guild of Musical Artists, and as such, you can buy a SAG card, you pay your dues because they're all sister union. So of course, DuPont. So anyway, I'm 22 years old and I, I can't get in the Screen Actors Guild, but I had a buddy. I'll be about this loophole. Sang in the opera. And the opera had these open auditions every Thursday, last Thursday of the month. So I went to the library and I asked a librarian for the shortest Italian aria ever written. She knows such a thing. And she said, oh, you want the code aria from who? Chinese. All right. So I took it home as a record. And I recorded it on a tape, and I walked around with these things called, Walkman. It is. It's 1982, I guess. And so I listened to Sam Raimi. Sing the code aria for, like, a month in Baltimore. Didn't know what the words man, wanted to get the sounds in my head and memorize the tune. And I did. And so I went to the Lyric Opera House on a on a Thursday, and I sang it for the chorus master. And a couple of you still remember it. Thank you. Tucker [00:36:16] As everybody did at one point. Mike Rowe [00:36:19] As they do. And, he gives her his coat. So she can live a little longer, I think. And he loved his coat because it kept him warm. And the pockets held his poetry. And he was a true bohemian. So he sings a, a love song to his coat and then gives it to the girl with tuberculosis. Tucker [00:36:38] It's an opera. And what, did she die? Sure. Mike Rowe [00:36:40] Yeah, they all die. But here's a crazy. Here's a moral of the story. Not that there has to be one, but I stayed in for eight years. Right. I got my union card let me in. And the music. The music was amazing. Like world. I'd never heard a world class orchestra play and I. I couldn't believe I was given access just to be around this level of. This is level of talent. Mind boggling. And the girls? Tucker [00:37:16] Yeah. What are the ladies of Upper Lake? Mike Rowe [00:37:18] Well, I'll tell you something. Tucker [00:37:18] They're probably a little high strung, I would think. Mike Rowe [00:37:22] I'm 22. I'm dressed as a Viking. Pirate. I'm singing real loud. In languages I don't really understand. There are 80 people in the rep company. 45 of them are women. Yeah. 35 are men. 30 of the men have zero interest in 100% of the women. Tucker [00:37:42] We're sure. Mike Rowe [00:37:44] The remaining five guys, three of them are married. The only other single. Tucker [00:37:47] Basically you're this. You're the straight hairdresser. Mike Rowe [00:37:49] It was. Tucker [00:37:51] It's just unfair. Mike Rowe [00:37:51] It was me of one of the guy, and he had a mole. On his eyelid. I saw my thumb with thick black hair. I'm 22 dressed as a pirate, and the girls are all dressed up like French courtesans. Plunging necklines. Oh, it's hit for eight years. Tucker [00:38:11] It's unbelievable. You know, is anyone who is in that company still there? Mike Rowe [00:38:16] No. The opera company folded. The Baltimore Opera folded about six years ago. I was invited back. No, because Dirty Jobs had been a thing in the list of people who sang opera and crawled through a sewer. Apparently, I'm pretty sure. Tucker [00:38:31] The union said pretty small. Mike Rowe [00:38:33] Yeah. So I went back for a fundraiser or two. Couldn't save it. You know, there's a lot in Baltimore that's tough to save right now, but I, I did go back, and I did a one man show in Baltimore. All the dirty truth. And, sold tickets and sold out the opera house and stood on stage. For about two hours. In my home town, telling stories about dirty jobs and answering questions and telling the story I just told you. And it was one of those moments where I was like, you know what? I don't know if it's full circle. But man, it was super strange and fun and gratifying to go back and do that. Because for me. You know, and this. Is just the cognitive dissonance. And one of the things that people always ask. They're always surprised by the opera because they saw 20 years of. Dirty jobs and violating barnyard animals and crawling through sewers, and that. Those two things aren't supposed to exist in the same. Tucker [00:39:36] No they're not. Mike Rowe [00:41:42] Artificial. Audience, I really do. Tucker [00:41:46] I and with that, I got it. I got to ask about the sheep castration story because it. Now that we've- Mike Rowe [00:41:53] You've done a deep dive, haven't you? Tucker [00:41:55] We've done a very deep dive. We do. Mike Rowe [00:41:58] So cheap castration. Yeah. That that was a biggie. Tucker [00:42:01] That if set the table for us the like what role does sheep castration play in agriculture. Like why would one be castrating sheep, you know. Tucker [00:47:17] I mean, one just bit his balls up. Mike Rowe [00:47:32] Yeah, and he's like, he's just getting all this life now. Now that ball's gone. But, you know it's okay. It's no blood. He's just off pursuing a life of, you know, whatever religious fulfillment Alam would do without his testicles. At that point, this poor thing is curled up in the corner. We kept filming and I castrated probably 30 lambs that day. Tucker [00:47:41] Didn't feel any guilt at all? Mike Rowe [00:47:43] No, no, it was actually very quick. it's a way more efficient way to do it. Tucker [00:47:48] We. You castrated them orally? Oh, sure. Mike Rowe [00:47:52] Google it. Lamb castration. Micro heck of a thing. Tucker [00:47:54] With your teeth. Well, yeah. What else are you. You're going to bite them with? It feels like you're crossing some important barrier into a whole new world. Oh, Lord, you bite an animal's balls off. Mike Rowe [00:48:06] There are moments in Dirty Job like. Tucker [00:48:08] Inside you. I mean, you can't be the same man you were that morning. Mike Rowe [00:48:11] It's like a German porno, right? You just see it once. You see it. Like. Good grief. Yes. I felt very strongly that we. That something extraordinary had happened on the show. But I also felt very strongly that something more important had happened prior to the show. I'd been given bad information by experts. I had called the expert authority. I had called Peta. I called the Humane Society as well. The best minds in the business, the people who live to write disappointing emails to my boss, instructed me on the proper way to remove the testicles from a creature. And they were wrong. Now, optically, it might have looked a little better in their minds. I think they liked the idea of a rubber band. Instead of a knife and teeth. But they were wrong. That lamb castrated proper way. Was the very embodiment of abject misery. And I saw 30 or 40 more that day. Tucker [00:49:21] Last question though, like, I just I'm obviously feel sorry for the lambs, but it does sound more humane just to bite them off much more. But for you as a man, like, how hard was it? I mean, the first oral castration is probably the hardest. I think people say. Mike Rowe [00:49:35] That again, if you're going to make T-shirts, put that on too. Tucker [00:49:38] What do you mean? Was it like skydiving? Like, I'm not going to think about it. I'm out the door. Tucker [00:50:22] No, of course not. Mike Rowe [00:50:23] I'm judged by my willingness to try your willingness. And of course. You're going to bite your try, you know? But really, how hard can it be? I mean, I got the guy right there. Albert was his name. I can still see his mustache. Little traces of vast, difference day. So, yeah, I mean, it's a heck of a thing. So I know, I know, I'm making an extraordinary moment in television. I know at a glance it looks salacious and probably unjustifiable. But I also know, because of you, the trembling creature in the corner. Of the pen. I also know that there's some weird greater truth. Like throbbing under all. Tucker [00:51:00] That's right. That's exactly right. Mike Rowe [00:51:02] And so I put them off and I spit them in the bucket. And then I. Took the knife. And I removed the tail from the next one, and then the tip of the scrotum. And I got in a pretty good rhythm and felt pretty good. About my, my castration abilities. When the sun finally set in Craig, Colorado. Over the, Rocky Mountains and the last lamb had been taken care of. Yes, there were Rocky Mountain oysters. We fried them up and yeah, we ate them. That was Dirty Jobs 2008. Nominated for an Emmy. Tucker [00:51:31] Thank you. Great, Mike Rowe. Thank you. Mike Rowe [00:51:35] Yeah don't mention it.

Steve Nikoui is a carpenter from California whose son was killed during Biden’s pullout from Afghanistan. Joe Biden won’t say his name, so at the State of the Union speech, Steve Nikoui did. He was immediately arrested for it. READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] By August of 2021, Kabul, Afghanistan. Looks a lot like well, Saigon, Vietnam looked in April of 1975 chaotic, dangerous and humiliating to the United States after 20 years in Afghanistan. The Biden administration had just pulled American troops out. The city immediately fell to the Taliban. The president got on a private plane with millions of American dollars and ran away like the coward he is. And thousands of Afghan civilians were rushing to Hamid Karzai airport in a desperate attempt to flee the country. Sort of like those helicopters taking off in the roof of the embassy in 1975. So U.S. service members were deployed to the scene to help keep the peace. But it was an impossible task. Mobs of Afghans running on the runway trying to board flight, some clinging to the landing gear. You remember the pictures. And in the middle of that scene, that total chaos created by the Biden administration, a suicide bomber arrived carrying 20 pounds of explosives and made his way to a place called the Abbey gate, the entrance to the airport, and then detonated the device and in so doing murdered 13 American service members, along with 170 Afghans, men, women and children. One of the Americans murdered that day was a marine lance corporal called Kareem Nikoui. He was just 2020 years old. He is now credited with saving the lives of at least three Afghan families, and help getting them out of that country. Fast forward to 2024, and Joe Biden is hoping, as he stands for reelection at the advanced age of 81, you've completely forgotten what he did. An Afghan instant and the humiliating and deadly way he withdrew American forces from that country. But not everyone has forgotten. In fact, those touched by the tragedy of that day in the preceding 20 years will never forget. Now, if you watched Biden's State of the Union address earlier this month, you heard a man in the audience yell out to Biden, reminding him of the killings that took place at the Abbey gate at the airport in Kabul. Here's that scene. Biden Soundbite [00:02:40] All Americans deserve the freedom to be safe. And America is safer today than when I took office. A year before I took office, murder rates went up 30%- Nikoui Soundbite [00:02:45]: Remember Abbey Gate! United States Marine Kareem Nikoui! 2nd Battalion, 1st Marines. Biden Soundbite [00:02:52]: 30%. They went up every year. The biggest increase in history. Tucker [00:03:01] But the soulless monster keeps talking. That would be Joe Biden, the soulless monster. The man you heard screaming has a soul and has a reason for sadness and outrage. He is called Steve Nikoui. He is the father of that murdered Lance Corporal Kareem Nikoui, killed in the bombing at Abbey gate. So for saying that out loud, for trying to remind Joe Biden of what he did. Steve Nikoui was arrested at the Capitol earlier this month. He now joins us in studio. Thank you very much for coming on. Steve Nikoui [00:03:31] Thank you, Tucker. Tucker [00:03:32] So, let's just let's just start with a clip we just played. Why did you yell out Abbey gate in your son's name at the President? Steve Nikoui [00:03:39] Okay, so, yeah, we had an opportunity to. Go to this state of the Union this time. Two families were invited by Mike Johnson. Tucker [00:03:50] Yeah. Steve Nikoui [00:03:51] And so those families were picked by a hat. So there's a coalition of families, which is six of us, and we can get in later. Why? We had to start a coalition. So we all signed a contract. And, you know, our fighting for it to get the information of the withdrawal out. But there were two tickets and we, we drew hat we drew names for those and they these are the ones that are going. And so there was a chance that. They might address, he might address and finally say the kids names. Because the thing is, he's never he's never recognized the kids as names. He's never accepted any kind of responsibility for the withdrawal. Tucker [00:04:42] Biden has never said your son's name? Steve Nikoui [00:04:44] Never, never. Not once. None of the kids. And so we were hoping that. All right, well, these two family members, you know, they're going to be able to go and he might, you know, bring up Afghanistan and, say their names. Now for me, I had never done any interviews. The only interview that I really did was an interview I'd done with you at the very beginning and after his first state of the Union, for whatever reason, I, I was at work and I got a call from some, some young man. Hey, look, we're trying to fill in, a spot in our in our news thing at 2:00 or whatever time was. Would you come on? I'm like, well, I don't do interviews. Oh, well, look, I need to have someone. Please. And he kept begging and was persistent, and he was all we know. We want to ask you about Joe Biden. State of the Union. Now, this is the first one that he had done after the withdrawal. And I was like, well, I don't even watch it, you know, I mean, I don't do interviews and somehow I agree. Tucker [00:05:46] Sorry, I just want to be totally clear. So a year at or the next year after your son was right. Steve Nikoui [00:05:51] Yeah. So this is in January, probably of 2022. Tucker [00:05:55] But you'd never met President Biden or been to the White House? Steve Nikoui [00:05:58] No. So we met him at Dover when we did the dignified transfer. But that was anything but dignified. I mean, you know, he. It's kind of the same. Like if you have kids. Tucker [00:06:12] Yeah. Steve Nikoui [00:06:14] Like if I was drunk and then I killed your kid in a drunk driving accident, and then I went to you and said, well, you know what? I know how you feel. I lost my son, and this is how he was at Dover. Tucker [00:06:27] So he talked about himself. Steve Nikoui [00:06:28] He talked about his son. So even in Dover, when we at first, you know, when we had met him in the dignified transfer, he said, hey, look, you know, I, I understand what you're going through. We lost our son Beau as well. Now in there, I wasn't I. So people had a chance to whether or not they wanted to meet with the president. And if some people didn't want to meet with them, they could go to another room. I wasn't going to be bullied and go to another room. But, you know, I turned my back to him. So when he walked in, I turned my back to him. My. Sorry. Tucker [00:07:03] It's all right. Steve Nikoui [00:07:04] My daughter came and stood next to me. So we just turned our back to her, and then, Kareem’s mom was talking to him, so I was listening to what she was saying. And, you know, that's what he had said. Like, you know, I understand your loss. You know, we lost this son and that just, you know, infuriated her even more. But he was like this with everyone and then everything up and since we're on that point, I mean, we were we were used. That whole thing was us being used. I mean, we were, you know, I wanted to wear a suit when I went to this dignified transfer for my son. And I don't know if you remember, in, like, the 70s, those yellow school busses that had the like to you want to tuck and roll, you know, you're you're going up and down. There's no socks. You can't put down the windows. Yeah. It's in Dover, which is like the most humid place you've ever been in your life. They transferred us in these, like, busses, like all the families. They put us up in a motel six. Had fecal matter on the walls, had cockroaches everywhere. All right. Now, we all got into these busses and we're all sweating. They drove us to Dover, the place that they do this at Dover. Tucker [00:08:21] So the message is really clear. Like they don't care at all. Steve Nikoui [00:08:23] Yeah, but at the time, we didn't I didn't realize that, you know, at the time I think, well, you know, I'm doing this for my country, you know, I mean, I felt like almost obligated that I had to do this. Yes. You know, and like, here this is, but like, oh, they're honoring us like a state side honoring when in retrospect, you know, it was just trying to show like, oh, we're honoring these parents and that's the end of it. You kind of understand what I'm saying. It's like the optics like, here, look what we're doing. And, it was it was very this is the first time I'd seen all the other parents and remind you this is two days after it happened. So the next day, after this all happens, you don't have time to grieve. You have the military telling you you have to sign these papers. We got to go over here to Dover, Delaware. And I'm like, What's in Dover, Delaware? I have no idea what they're talking in any of this. I have to Google everything. I have to research what a dignified transfer is. You know, I'm I have no idea. And they're telling you, you know, you just lost your kid. Now they're saying you have to go to Delaware and, and, etc., etc.. So when we go over there, it's already. And what I notice, the first thing that I noticed when I went there. From being like a boss or a business owner, I was able to see a different perspective is that they had no. They didn't really know what they were doing. They were reacting to how we were to react. And I found that to be shocking. You know, it's like, whoa, what is going on here? Like there's no protocol. They're seeing how we would react if we'd get physical, if we'd get violent, if we'd yell. You understand what I'm saying? It could. There was that, you know, there was a lot of people yelling, I was yelling, I was yelling at the the general, you know, and and, I was upset. Tucker [00:10:14] What did you say to the general? Steve Nikoui [00:10:17] So I he was pretty much the only one that I, that I yelled at and I just said, you know, you should have been planning this evacuation. You know, you should have taken time. You know, at the time, I just remember him promoting his book and then some of this stuff that had happened with the his counterpart was, you know, at the beginning of the. Tucker [00:10:36] Remember the name of the general? Steve Nikoui [00:10:38] Yeah. General Milley. And I just met him last week, and he remembered that he remembered that altercation that we had and, you know, I spotted him, in one of the other room, and that. Dover, Delaware. Let me- Tucker [00:10:54] So you said to, to clear up exactly what happened to you similarly at Dover and use and two days before your son was killed and you say to him, you know. Steve Nikoui [00:11:04] After two days after. So this all happened after. Tucker [00:11:07] Right. But two days before, when you first met him, your son had just been killed. Steve Nikoui [00:11:11] Yeah. That's right, that's right. Tucker [00:11:12] So you say to him, effectively, this is your fault. Like you're in charge of this, right? You didn't do a good job. What did he say? Steve Nikoui [00:11:18] He said I had been planning for this. You know, we did plan for it. You know, it was a mistake. I don't even I don't know if he said a mistake, but he had said that. And I kept telling him, well, you know, you don't care. I mean, you know, I mean, you weren't looking like you were planning for it. From what I seen from January until now, it looked like you're doing everything else, you know, look like you're on a book tour, and it looked like you were cursing with, you know, the Chinese government. Yeah. And, you know, he said, I think he said, I've lost 47 men or 67 men, one of the two. And then I said, I lost my son. And. Tucker [00:12:05] So you confront him, and he made it about himself, just like Joe Biden. I've suffered too. This is what he said. Steve Nikoui [00:12:10] You know what I now that I've know more about, like, the military and people you know, I wouldn't say so with him. I would say, you know, what I've noticed with people in the military and I've just realized this in the last month, is that they look at us like. Sorry. So people that have served. It appears that they treat us like they would want their folks treated if they had lost their lives. Good. You understand what I'm saying? Should I do? And now, in retrospect, you know, his anger, I think, was more along the lines of his guilt. Steve Nikoui [00:12:51] I feel he really felt guilty. You know, and he didn't. And he's just mad, you know, he's a he's. And what I told him a couple weeks ago is because I had an immense respect for him. To me, he was the guy. You know, he was the face of our military. Yes. And, more so than pretty much anywhere else. I mean, you know, you know, who Mark Milley is? I mean, he's a dominating force at the you know, prior to that, even the Donald Trump had had him. So, and I think, you know, that rage was that was that here he found himself in the position that, you know, this stuff happened and I feel like he felt some guilt, to be honest with you at that time. Tucker [00:13:40] Seems like an appropriate emotion. Steve Nikoui [00:13:41] Yeah. But at the time, I didn't I didn't I didn't think that it it's taken several years and me to understand the military and that's, that's I believe what, what he was feeling is that he was he was upset with how everything happened and he wanted to convey that. Look, you know, I love you and I've lost people, too. And I know what you're going through and, you know, and so that was that was that. Tucker [00:14:12] Between, the time you spent in Dover receiving your son's remains, staying in the motel six with human feces on the wall? Between that and this state of the Union earlier this month, had you had any contact with Biden or the white House? Steve Nikoui [00:14:29] Never. We've never had any contact with the white House or Biden. And we have reached out or, McCall and several people, several families have reached out to, you know, maybe have a roundtable with them, see what their what their thinking was, anything, you know, onerous or, you know, onerous on our children and. Yes, something and they just refused. I don't know why they hate us so much, to be honest with you. I have no idea. I mean. Tucker [00:14:59] Because you're a living reminder of their failure. Steve Nikoui [00:15:02] But. But in America, we're supposed to, you know, address those failures. I mean, he had an opportunity that he could have really rallied the country behind him. Tucker [00:15:12] Yes. Steve Nikoui [00:15:13] Very easily, you know, by by assuming any kind of responsibility, Hill, you know, I know people that business owners that assume more responsibility for someone that gets hurt on their job than than what he's done for for these people, people that are held more accountable in drunk driving cases. Yes. After three years. This guy, he just doesn't want to say anything about any of these kids. Tucker [00:15:39] So how much contact have you had with the families of the other servicemen killed? Third, the 12 other families. Steve Nikoui [00:15:46] So, yeah, there's. Well, since we've started, trying to lobby to get answers, which was started last June. Yeah. The six families, we talked, every week and, in the capacity that we do for getting these answers. Tucker [00:16:03] Do you think they have the same feelings that you do? Steve Nikoui [00:16:06] Well I can't, I would say on some things. Yeah. As regards to Milley, I couldn't. Tucker [00:16:12] What about the Biden administration? Steve Nikoui [00:16:14] Oh yeah, 100%. We're united on that. Tucker [00:16:18] And so you said at the outset that you wanted more information about what happened. Right. The events that led up to your son's death. Right. What do you wish you knew, but don't. Steve Nikoui [00:16:28] Okay, so we've made a lot of progress. So what happened was, when this all happened, we, you know, we didn't have the house. So any of the hearings, if you look at any of the the Senate hearings that were there, they were all kind of biased. Like they all said, although this was great, you know, we did a good job. Of course we're going to. It wasn't until, McCarthy became speaker that we actually had an opportunity to to get the answers that we needed. So last June. We got an opportunity from Darrell Issa to do like a public. We went, you know. We went to Washington and the premise was like, look, we don't know what's going to happen, but we're going to introduce you to McCarthy. We're going to introduce you to Scalise. McCall. And we're going to get you to know, because knew but nobody knew our story. Nobody, you know, wasn't, really out there. Maybe it was in to some degree in, like, maybe social media or something. Because that's probably the only outlet that the parents had, like their Facebook or whatever. But there's a good portion of Americans that don't even pay attention to that. So, and I being one of them, I'm not on any of those that I could channel any, anything. And, so when this opportunity came, you know, they're like, look, we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if there's anything, but we're going to go down there and, you know, and every family of the 13 was, was, was invited to this, like, here's what we're doing. It said it was set up, Sean Reyes from Utah and, kind of connected us with these people. And then it kind of, from there it went for Darrell Issa. He was the one that, you know, had been championing everything at that point. And, so, you know, they they even had funding for it, like, we're going to take the mom and the dad of each. Each child, each service member, whoever wants to come. And, we're going to go down to Washington and see if there's any, any anybody that's interested in anything. So we went down there, we met, these different offices. We told them our stories because nobody knew really our stories. You know, what had happened to us and Dover and then really like the stuff that we were being told. So they had given us a whole bunch of lies. You know, we're people are talking to the kids. People are talking to everyone that's coming back. And what the government is telling us is different from what these people that were actually there are saying. And so we're like, well, they're like, oh, there was no gunfire. Well, one of the Marines actually killed one of his aggressors. You know, he like, shot him and killed him or I don't know if he killed him. So to say that there was no gunfire is absurd. Now, my son, before I sent him. Or before he went to Afghanistan. I bought him a, when I was a kid. When we were kids, there was that buck 110 knife that the Duke, the Duke boys had. They had that with the, with the bolster on it. So I bought my son one of those, but a switchblade. And I said, you know, this is good for fast. You know, if you need a knife, you know, you can. It's a switchblade. And I bought him this, and he carried it on him. I have pictures of him in Afghanistan with it. Well, when the, when the Keiko, which is the casualty assisted coordinating officer. So every time that something happens in the military to your loved ones, you get assigned to Keiko. And he's basically the liaison between the military and your family. I mean, everything from A to Z. You know, he's like your best friend. And so when he had come that night to my house, I had said to him, hey, look, you know nothing else. I know nothing else I wanted. Except for that knife. You know, I told him, hey, I gave my kid this knife, and. I want that. I want that back. And you know he can't. He didn't. I just met him. Like, two minutes ago. And, you know, he. Listen to me. Well, on September 17th is when they brought my son his body back. And, so, you know, it was a very nice, another kind of dignified transfer from Ontario Airport to where we live in Norco. He's buried, like, literally less than a mile from my house. And that whole way, you know, the streets are lined American flags and people and everything. And then when we get to the cemetery, he pulls me in the back room and he. And he pulls out that knife. You know, in, in the case. And I'm like, just happy for me. It was like, I put so much value in that knife, you know? Like, for some reason I felt like if I had that knife, it would it would eliminate some of my pain that it had. You know, that that's something that we that we shared. And I give it to him. And, when I, when he handed me the knife, I looked at it and there was a hole right in the front in the same, the same case that we had when we were kids. You know, it's a leather case with a little button. Tucker [00:21:52] Says Buck on it. Yeah. Steve Nikoui [00:21:54] And there's a hole in it. I'm looking at it and I'm excited. And I told my mom, hey, Charlie, there's a wow, there's a hole from one of the babies. You know, because I had little babies and I'm looking at it, and I pull the knife out and the knife was like, had imploded inside the she. So it was hard to get it out of the sheath, you know, it was hard. The, and when I pulled it out, my gun was like, he's a gunny. I think he got promoted, so don't don't be upset with me. But when I pulled it out, he's like, that's not a baby hole. That's a bullet hole. And so when I, when I took it home, I got one of my five, 5 or 6 bullets and I got my dial calipers, and I started measuring the depth of the hole and then put that depth in relation to the boat tail of the bullet, and then measured the diameter at. I got real scientific, and you could just pull the bullet right out of the five, five, six casing and put it fits perfect in there. It was a five. It's a five, five, six. And You know, that's proof. And if it's on the front of his thing, it came from across. It didn't come from behind. It's not friendly fire because he didn't bring this back. It was right on his front. They also they gave you pictures of, like where your kid is. No. Every, you know, maps. So when they gave you the, the, the briefing, when they first briefed the families, they had maps and said, okay, your kid is here. X marks the spot. And then you'd ask him, well, who's this guy? And they. Oh, well, we can't tell you. But then after that, they told the public, then these then now all of a sudden everybody's out there. But the maps that they gave us were all different. Like, there's three of them. There's three. There's three different ones. But one thing I can say and the other families, kids are in different locations in those three different maps. But my son's always on that wall, like my son's always in every map right across from the bomber. Like right across. There's three kids on that wall, and he was one of them. So there's no he wasn't turned around. There's no way it could have been friendly fire. You understand what I'm saying? And that was like one of the things I was like, well, here, I've got proof. You know, I've got proof that my kid was. You're going to tell us that, you know, they weren't shot at you. Everybody can hear it on the videos. But and here's physical proof that I have. And it's not an AK round, you know, it's not a it's not an AK sized hole. It's a perfect like literally that bullet was probably stuck in there and someone had to like pull it out, like that's how it was. And so fast forward to when we met, Darryl Lyson and them in June. I brought that up and showed them that. And these were some of the things that that they used to get the ball rolling to get interest in it. So, you know, we've since June, we've been going to Congress for no other reason but to lobby for our kids to give information that these congressmen don't have so they can bring in different people and do hearings and get the information that we need. And we've made, like, enormous traction. I mean, just the answers that we've gotten, with the hearings that they've had have been good that we have them, that we didn't, you know, we didn't have them before, but is a testament to what a failure this was. And we've pretty much gone in all avenues. We've exhausted the military. I believe at this point that you know the well, you know, they're the part that they were in charge of was a retrograde. So there's two parts to it. There was a retrograde and then the evacuation and the retrograde went off. Unhitched, you know, no problem. The problem was, was that when you hear people say, well, you should have taken the people out before you take out the military, they should have done the neo before they did the retrograde. And that's where the point comes, is that the State Department and the administration was in charge of the Neo and the retrograde, and the only reason why they did the neo, no, they did the neo. The neo was implemented by, Ross Wilson, who's a that's another guy. He's he's the guy, you know, after all these nine months of going back and forth. It's not you know, I don't see it's the generals I don't see. It's the military. It's this guy. He's the guy that initiated the neo, and he did it. And on August 14th. Tucker [00:26:32] Now, who is Ross Wilson? And if you could just explain what a neo- Tucker [00:27:22] Pictures very well. Steve Nikoui [00:27:24] Where they over there. And that was all because the day before and even the generals were kind of like, well, we and I said, no, you, you, you guys did the neo because you saw the Taliban right there. It wasn't, you know, for any other reason that they were he was scared and that's why he did it. And if it had been done months earlier, I mean, actually the whole thing should have been done at the beginning, per the Doha Agreement. I mean, all the liberals say, oh, well, don't forget the Doha Agreement. It's so frustrating. And I'm glad this last time we went to, and we heard the Senate hearings with, the two generals, you know. Mackenzie and Milley finally mix because every time that guy is like, oh, don't forget, you know? Yeah, we appreciate the service and the sacrifice and we're not pointing them. But don't forget who initiated the Doha Agreement. They always have to do that little jab. And I'm here to tell you, I don't think anyone knows anything about Afghanistan better than any of these parents. You're right. He should have followed the Doha Agreement. That would have been dead. We wouldn't have had this catastrophe. Tucker [00:28:32] So you show up at the state of the Union a couple of weeks ago. Do you plan to yell out your son's name? Steve Nikoui [00:28:42] I wouldn't say really planned. I, you know, we got the opportunity that there were other tickets. Other, other members had given it to us, and, I wouldn't, you know, I'm sure I had said this of people. Yeah, but, other to say something, if this guy doesn't say anything. But when you're there in the greatest country of the world with the most powerful people, I was scared. Like I was scared, you know? Am I going to get killed if I get to commit suicide tomorrow because of this? You know who knows, right? And. So, no, at that time, I was just in serious prayer. And, you know, I was like, praying to the Lord, you know, humble me, soften my heart. You know, let your will be done. You know, and to be honest with you, when I stood up, when I just heard him say something about kids, at some point he was talking about kids. And then he said something about being safe. And I just stood up and I didn't even I didn't even like the Holy Spirit, like God in me and stood up. And I don't know if you ever had anything like that happen, but like the effects of that had had affected me for weeks afterwards, you know, like what? What really happened there. And when I stood up and I said the first thing I said, I kind of realized that I had said it, and I paused. I was like, oh, what did I do? You know? And then I said, you know, night States Marines. And I said his name. And I said, you know, second Battalion, first Marines. But I don't even remember saying any of that. Like, I don't even remember saying any of that. You know, it just kind of came out. And if I could back up to why I had went earlier, I was talking about that first state of the Union, and I got these reporter, you know, and I felt bad for him and I wanted to help. And I said, all right, well, look, what I'll do is my lunch break. I got an hour lunch break. On my lunch break, I'm going to watch a state of the Union so that I'll be able to answer. Appropriately for your interview that you want me to do is all right. So I watched his interview, or I watched his state of the Union, the first one and that like 56 minutes, he brings up Afghanistan and he did the exact same thing that he always does. He says, okay, you know, we're never going to, you know, the heroes that we didn't even say 13 and then one lady in the audience, she's like 13 of them. I think it was Bob it or Bob it or. Yes. And she said something out and I was I got goosebumps. But he then did the same thing. He went right in the bow. He went right into his son. And he said the existential threat to the military is the burning of diesel fuel in pits, because that's, I think, how Beau got his cancer. And I was just like crying. I was so devastated. Like once I who I was for more than the fact that like when this happens, like, like I said, like all these cockroaches come out of the woodworks, like every media, you know, they want, you know, people, I'm selling this are we love you in this. I didn't get involved in any of it, but I had seen that this was happening all over. Yeah, with a lot of people. And, so, so a part of me was upset that I had watched this. All right, so I'm devastated. I'm devastated. Like this. The what this president had just done and how he had turned it again. Let me can't even say the kids his name. If he would have said 13 names at that state of the Union, we wouldn't even be here right now. All right. But he didn't. And so I call this, I call this. I call this reporter guy back to tell him, you know, I'm like, I watch and I'm devastated. Well, when I call him back, he's like, oh, hey mister, you're cool. Yeah. We're not going to do the interview because we got Mark Schmitz to do it. And I was just like, wow. Like in my heart, you know, here, I watch this. I didn't want to do it. I did it because I wanted to help him, because he said, we have to fill in the slot. And none of the other parents can do it. Then I agree to it. I watch this, I get affected by it. The only the only saving grace I have is like, all right, I'll be able to vent something in this interview. Yes. And then the guy's like, no, we're going to do it because we have one of the other parents. And I was like, crying even harder. And so I've had to deal with that for three years with, you know, my God. With my lord. Praying, you know, like, hey, Lord, you know. Humble me from this. Soften my heart from it, you know, like whatever. So when the opportunity came to go to the state of the Union, I'll be honest with you. There is no way I was going to leave that state of the Union without my kid's name being said, you know, and I feel like, but at first I thought that they would say something, so I felt like it was. The Lord telling me, like, here, you know, your. Reward for being patient and faithful for three years, I'm going to I'm going to bless you with this. You understand what I'm saying? Tucker [00:33:42] Yes. Steve Nikoui [00:33:43] And then it didn't happen. You know, it's like it didn't happen. And I was I was able to see my other the other parents, I was I found them in the crowds, you know, where they were at. And just the way that they were looking, the despair and the sadness that they had at that state of the Union, everyone was slumped over, just kind of devastated, you know? And. Another thing I was like, concerned, like. Like the state, you would think that the speaker of the House would have the best seats, right? Like, all right, well, these two families are getting the speaker of the House, and I was I remember praying the Lord like, Lord, you know, why don't I have those seats? You know, I don't. I have the best seats. I'm thinking, I don't know that they are. And then McCall gives up one of his seats, you know, and he's the head of the chairman. Right. So, whoever got that CMA. Lord, why didn't I get that seat, you know, and that's all right. Thank you for the seats that you give. I don't even know where my seats are, but I'm just assuming, you know, that's how people they do. You know, we do this. We do our own assumptions. As it turns out, the seats I got were like, right directly. Like I was watching the president, like, you know, right in front of him, like, right where he comes out of that tunnel. I was sitting right above there. So the Lord had given me, like, the best seats in the whole world. And like for the last two weeks, I'm like, oh, Lord, he didn't give me, you know, I don't even know what the seats are, but I'm assuming that the worst and a lot of this has happened me in, in the course of, of this, you know, by being patient, I feel like the Lord has blessed me in these. These are the little blessings that I need. I don't need any praise. I don't I don't want to put anything on Facebook and then read those comment, oh God bless you. You're so awesome. And none of that. Tucker [00:35:32] So what happened after? So you called out your son's name and said Abbey gate, and then what happened? Steve Nikoui [00:35:38] Yeah. So then. Those. There is these two young men, and they came and kind of grabbed me and, escorted me up. Tucker [00:35:49] Who were they? Steve Nikoui [00:35:50] So I guess they were the Capitol Police, but they were in, like, suits, so they weren't they weren't dressed in police uniforms or anything like that. And, you know, they escorted me into the hallway. And then at that time, the guy that was telling you, that's been with us from the beginning, Marlin, he came, he ran, he was sitting at the other side and he ran to me. And I wasn't scared until I seen his face. Then I was like, when I seen him turn the corner, like, around Gallery six. And I saw his expression. Then I was nervous, you know, I was like, oh, you know, I would trouble. And, yeah. So they frisked me. He tried to say, help release him to me, you know, release the they like. No, you know, you're getting them and I have my Bible with me. But it was locked in one of the things and I had they give you a ticket. And I kept telling him, hey, Marlon, get my Bible, get my Bible. I want him to grab my ticket out of my pocket to go and get my Bible. But he does. He doesn't want to touch me because I'm detained. Tucker [00:36:56] Right. Are you being held by them? Steve Nikoui [00:36:57] Oh, yeah. They had me back here and. And they. Tucker [00:37:00] Cuff you. Steve Nikoui [00:37:01] Not yet. They, you know. Yeah, they cuffed me. They cuffed me right there in the hallway. And they knew I was a gold star dad, too, because he had told them he's like, hey, he's a gold star, dad, you know. And there was a reporter who after she said that, after he said that, she said, sir, why did you do what you did? And Marlon was all, please, please, ma'am, you know, he's a gold star. Dad can and told her whatever. So they had known. At first I thought they didn't know. I thought that they. I was just, you know, a guy that talks out, but they knew. And so then they took me down to the basement, and they did. How did they treat you? I got the pretty good. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah. Tucker [00:37:40] Were you handcuffed as they led you to the basement? Steve Nikoui [00:37:42] Yeah, yeah, they handcuffed me. So I knew I was going to go to jail because they handcuffed me. And then. Then they took me downstairs. They did an extensive, search, and then they had their, some new kids that had never done searches. So they used me to, to practice their searches. So I got searched by like three different people. Tucker [00:38:04] Did anyone explain why you were being handcuffed and arrested and searched for saying your son's name? Steve Nikoui [00:38:09] No, no, no, that wasn't until I got back to the capital police. But. At the Capitol Police. They asked, you know, they turned in all my stuff. They take it. And, the, the one of the boys that was just in his suit was asking me questions like, you know, my, my name and everything. And then afterwards, Secret Service and another guy from Capitol Police come in, and then they read me my Miranda rights and asked me if I wanted to talk to them and let me know that look, you know, you'll probably be out of here in an hour. It's $50. And, you know, do you want to talk to us? And I said, yeah, I'll talk to you. Tucker [00:38:55] What do they ask you? Steve Nikoui [00:38:56] So he asked me. So the one gentleman that wasn't that worked for Capitol Police asked me why I had done what I did. And so I'm crying, you know, I'm telling them. And both of these kids, were service members. Ex service members. I think he was a soldier and the Secret Service guy. I think he was in the Air Force. And, so I was telling him, you know, my story, you know, like, hey, this guy's never said my kid's name. I lost my kid in Afghanistan. You know, I'm really emotional, you know? But that capital policeman he kept every five minutes he would say cream. He would just look at me and say my kid's name, and he would tell me, I'm never forget, you know, like every five minutes he would just say this to me and, to comfort you. Yeah. Good man. Yeah. It was a great man then. You know, ask me. Hey, have you gotten any help? Oh, like. No, I don't need any help. I'm just right now, you know, I'm feeling this way. And then. He had told me that, he had told me that. Well, we, you know, if you say something and then we tell you to be quiet and then you don't, then we arrest you again, then we arrest you. And I said, well, nobody ever told me to be quiet. You know, I never I never was afforded that opportunity. And then he left. And then they asked me more questions. The other kid in the suit. You know, just basic questions, sex, weight and stuff like this. And then he came back and he said that again, and then he said, well, there's two ways, like we can ask you. And then ask you again in a rescue, or we can just arrest you. And he's all. And you don't want to be that because that's a felony. So I felt like he was kind of throwing me a bone, you know, like. And I kind of picked up on that. And I was like, all right, you know, I appreciate that. Yeah. I guess, they did tell. Tucker [00:41:00] Me, when did they let you go? Steve Nikoui [00:41:02] So what happened was, was that, you know, as we're talking and he's telling me this stuff, he says the congressman is outside. So we I was invited by Congressman Brian Mast, and biomass bailed me out of jail. Look, was there and he's all the congressman is right outside the door. And I felt like. Like $1 million because I knew, like, all right, I'm all right now, you know, I mean, I've got the Congress video to help me. And so, yeah, he got me out and walked me and hadn't met, you know, hadn't met him. We've met him several times. He's there's only, you know, there's four congressmen that I call the Four horsemen and they're military men. So they understand it's Isiah Mills, Mast and Watts, and then they're all led by, the the chairman, Michael McCall. So he he's the chair of the House of Foreign Affairs, and he's the one that's able to bring these hearings. And then these guys are just, you know, they're the ones that we're telling our stories to, and they're helping do whatever they do in Washington to get the message out. So the fact that he was there meant a lot to me. Like, like, all right. You know, I'm nuts because to be honest with you, from what I see on TV, yeah, see we love you. But the next day, I'll be on my own. This is my. I'm thinking, you know, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be all by myself. You know, this is great for tonight. But come the 28th, when I've got to go to court, I'm going to be by myself. But the fact that he was there and, you know, he's a man of God. And we prayed before. I don't know if we prayed before, but we talked about like what we're talking about in our in our, the spiritual. You know. Road that that I've taken with my son and. It was. I was just really blessed that he was there and he got me out. And then when I got out, you know, Waltz, all of them were not going to let anything happen. You, you know, we're going to stand by. And even they telling me this, I still felt like, a week from now, what have you. But myself, you know, I never really had any. You know, true belief like, hey, these guys are going to be here till the end. But they were. I mean, every couple of days, they would they would do what they have to do. And and from what I understand, they found out that because the gavel wasn't hit, that I didn't I didn't obstruct Congress. So the fact that and Mike Johnson helped that. So Ken Calvert, Mike Johnson, Walt's and they're all ice, and to some extent Mast and Mills, they, you know, helped to get this out. Like, hey, he didn't he didn't obstruct anything because the gavel wasn't hit. Tucker [00:44:00] What's your life been like at home since he died? Steve Nikoui [00:44:04] Yeah. So, yeah, the my personal life has been very bad. It's better now. But, you know, at the beginning, when this first happened, was just devastating. I didn't really have a home where I could recuperate from this. You know, my son and I, you know, Kareem’s real best friend was his little brother Steven. And he was like 15 when this happened. And, so I just said focus. I'm focusing on him, like, you know, he's and he's so strong and so brave. You know, he's. Tucker [00:44:41] He was 15 when his brother was killed. Steve Nikoui [00:44:43] He was 15. And they were best friends. And. Man. He's a rock, you know. You know, Kareem was a Brazilian jiu jitsu champion. Steven is one. They, wanted to be in MMA and fighting. So they're not they're not, they're not weak in that aspect. But, you know, they're very compassionate to the underdog. They're very quiet. You know, Kareem was a little guy growing up. So he sometimes would be bullied. And that was one of my concern when he started to learn how to fight. You know, I was like, yeah, you know, I don't ever want to hear that you're bullying anyone or you're doing any of this. And luckily, that never happened. You know, he was always compassionate to the underdog and, and the people that couldn't speak for themselves. So, you know, our home life was just it was just chaotic for the first year and but I think maybe the Lord had that happen to keep me from. Ruining myself. And I see what I'm saying, like, all that probably happened just so I wouldn't ruin whatever. You know, I just I just went in my room and just focused on the little things, you know, my son and whatever I could. And because there's a, there's a lot of, oh, we want to do this for your kid, and we want this interview and this and that. And for me to mitigate, like, how could you how could these parents not, like, feel some sort of like, pride or something after all this? Right. And I remember telling my kids, look, you know, be careful how you deal with this because it won't always be there. And then you're going to resent the fact that it's not there. That's right. And don't forget, there's tens of thousands of service members who died that don't have, you know, shooter boards at their front doorstep with a knock. I mean, it was just insane stuff at your front door cards. We love you. Money. Check. You understand? And every check, every cash I ever got, I still have it. So I never spent any of that. And I. And every card that we got, I not probably every one of them because it was just too much. But I wrote you know, back to them. I remember telling my kids, hey, you know, watch out how you, how you process this and what you do with it because, it's going to ruin you in your faith. Another thing, that the two other things today is our anniversary were my sons and I got, baptized. We got baptized on. March 26th, 2017. And we got baptized together in the same pool. And, in the year. So the other thing is, is that like when you lose someone, like when I lost my mom, I lost my dad within a week. Like, if they died on a Thursday, next Thursday, you'd bury him. And that was it. You know, I mean, you start trying to put your life together, and this situation didn't really happen. I mean, it was like five weeks. They brought back his body and. You know, things come up, certain little things would come up. Like, I know that they had the. And when these things come up, you kind of focus towards that. So you repress your feelings and everything for this one event, right? And you're like, okay, well, this events coming up and I'm going to I'm focusing on that. And one of the events we had in November was the, the memorial at Camp Pendleton. Now, since he was he live we live like 45 minutes from Camp Pendleton. He came home every weekend. So the only time I never seen him was when he actually deployed, you know, and he'd bring his marine friends home with them. And I felt bad because some of them lived in Iowa. There was no way they could see their family. So if we could give them a weekend where they felt at home, then I was all for that. You know, it was kind of like around Covid. So we were cooking breakfast and couldn't really go to church. And I had the, sometimes I'd have the TV on, but. Our preacher, our pastor, and they play games and they do whatever, you know. And my son would take them on hikes and they would drink on Fridays, you know, whatever they however, they had to unwind, you know, they were able to do it at our house. And I was I was blessed that that we could provide that for them. And so we had this memorial for the Marines. Right. And, you know, I never did any interviews or anything. I didn't want to be, I didn't that wasn't right for me. And, so I focused on my heart towards this memorial, which was in November and surpassed all my feelings and everything and well, I'm just going to focus on, on that part. And we went to the memorial and it was beautiful. And they had the missing man formation with the helicopters that went over the mountain where he would hike over there in Camp Pendleton. And I think that was either on a Thursday or Friday and then that Sunday. I just felt like a lot of remorse. I felt like grief, you know, and for me. But my religion, which is Christian, isn't, you know, for me to. I felt like for me to display. Grief is me saying, I don't believe in the Lord, you know? Is that weird? I don't know. And so I'd never really had any grief. I never had any sorrow, except for that day. I remember I was in my master bedroom. It was the Sunday and there was nothing else to look look forward to. There was no other event. That was the last event. And I remember just like feeling, you know, immense grief, sorrow. And I was like, Lord, why I'm looking out of the mountains. That he would put weights in his rucksack and hike. You know, I was like, Lord, you know, why do I have this feeling, you know, why do I have this? Why am I feeling this way? And then he said, hey, the Holy Spirit or the Lord told me, hey, look at the day that you went to Harvest Festival. So harvest festival. So we gave our lives in Jesus Christ together. Steve Nikoui [00:51:38] All right. In this place and in an angel stadium, by a fellow named, Greg Laurie, who does the same thing that. I forgot his name, but a evangelical in the 70s. Tucker [00:51:55] Billy Graham. Steve Nikoui [00:51:55] Billy Graham would do the same thing. So they'd go to the stadiums, they'd preach the gospel, and you had an opportunity to give your life to Jesus Christ there. And a lot of people did this. And in Billy Graham's, things, he's doing the same thing. He's been doing it for like 20 years. So if I could just go back in like 2015, I realized that my kids didn't have the same faith. Like I did, you know, like, yeah, he said, you need to be Christian. And once in a while I would say, but I didn't lead and they didn't tell them about. So my kids were already older, you know, so I didn't have a I didn't have an opportunity to indoctrinate them when they were younger. These are teenage boys. And I was praying, you know, Lord, please, you know, I failed, you know, give me an opportunity. And he did, you know, Kareem started asking about a church and like, in 2015, we started going and I knew that I could tell them, hey, you got to do this. But they. I had to change, you know, I had to make a concerted effort to make a change and be sincere with the faith so that they would follow, because I can't just tell them something. You know, I have to lead by example. And so that transformation happened. It took a year or something minute. The pastor was like, hey, you know, there, you know, Greg is having this thing down there. And we, we encourage everyone to go. So I'm thinking, Lord, this is our opportunity. Thank you. You know, and there we're going to church every weekend, me and my sons every Sunday. And we're working through I'm working through the different things and being real with them. You know, ties, you know, how do you deal with ties, right. Like at first I was like, I'm not giving them any money, you know, and, and, my pastor had said something at the time, he's all like, well, do you guys like in this? Weeks later, he said, well, do you guys like air conditioning? And that just I realized, like, my ties are for the air conditioning and it made me. So I made a point to. Yeah, I talked bad about the ties before. I'm going to make a point to show my kids that. Look, I've changed, I realize, and we're going to start giving ties. So the boys, I would give them their money so that they would know to give ties. So every Sunday we would be given our ties. And that's just an example of how we work through some of the obstacles in our faith, you know, and, and we're real about, you know, we weren't just saying it, we were acting upon it. And, so we went to great glories and we all gave our lives to Jesus Christ, you know, Steven Schiller. Kareem, me, Gianna. We all gave our lives to Jesus. And, and I felt blessed. You know, I was like, wow. Like, this doesn't happen, you know? I mean, who gets this opportunity? I failed and then. But I prayed for a solid year, you know? Please, Lord, please. And just such a blessing. And then from that blessing, you know, we were we always went to church, you know, it was it was became part of our background and me telling and preaching to the boys, you know, you know, about the gospel as well as our, our pastor. And then fast forward to that time when I was right after the, right after the Camp Pendleton memorial, the Lord and I'm looking out in the backyard and I'm feeling grief and I'm just feeling horrible, you know, the first time in like eight months or whatever. And I'm like, why do I feel this way? You know, I, you know. And the Lord said, hey, Steve, look at when you went to Harvest Festival. Because, Sunday would be people wouldn't go to church, so they'd go Saturday, same thing, but Friday would be after work. So I just knew like, hey, we, we went to the first time we went was on Friday and then every other time we went on Fridays. So I knew that was on a Friday. And I googled, you know, when was. When was the Harvest Festival? And it was August 26th of 2017, which is five years to the day. And like I got goosebumps and like, all my grief went away and just let me know that the Lord had planned this for me and that was verification. You know that on August 26th, 2016. We gave our lives to Jesus Christ. And on August 26th, 2021, he took my son. And that was, that's pretty powerful, you know, to let me know, you know. And that was just for me, like we had done some events where, you know, they had honored. And Greg Laurie had done. That year had done his harvest festival and honored my son, and they only had one. That year was October 3rd or fifth because of Covid. And they had done a big page thing, and they honored my son. And, and he didn't know this. Otherwise he would have been all over it. You know, everybody would have been all over that. I would assume. But that was just for me. That was just for me. You know that the Lord told me that, like, to let me know that you just got to show up. You just got to show up, and I'll take care of everything else. Tucker [00:57:25] I appreciate you taking all this time. Thank you. I know it's hard. Steve Nikoui [00:57:29] I appreciate it. Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Encounter: Roseanne Bar Roseanne Barr turns out to be a very deep person. EPISODE DETAILS Roseanne Barr turns out to be a very deep person. READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] This has probably happened to you every couple months or so. You look up from what you're doing, otherwise occupied feeding the dog or paying your power bill, and you look up and they'll be trying once again to make Roseanne Barr be quiet. Shut up, Roseanne Barr, you're a Nazi. You're crazy. It's not working. Roseanne Barr has been in the public eye for almost 40 years, and amazingly, she's more influential than ever. So we thought we would check in with her and see how she's doing. Roseanne Barr, how are you? Roseanne Barr [00:00:29] I'm great, Tucker. How are you? Tucker [00:00:31] Well, you're obviously unbowed. I can't remember where I was the other day and someone was like, Roseanne Barr is a Nazi. She's an anti-Semite. I'm thinking you probably criticize her. Probably not a Nazi or an anti-Semite. Roseanne Barr [00:00:43] Probably not. Roseanne Barr [00:00:54] Just like you, when it was number one. Hey, don't their shareholders wonder why they would do that? Tucker [00:01:01] I don't know how that spooky finance stuff works. Roseanne Barr [00:01:03] I don't either. Tucker [00:01:05] I've still got some questions. I will say that. Roseanne Barr [00:01:07] But did you figure out, like I did, that it's really personal. Tucker [00:01:12] Or it's always personal. Yeah. Thing about television is everything's personal. Yeah. It's about you. Roseanne Barr [00:01:17] Yeah. Tucker [00:01:18] So when it's great, everyone's like, oh, you're Jesus, but when it's not so good when they're like, you're fired. Yeah, I don't take any of it personally. Thank heaven. But you get fired in this very, very public way become the center of the national debate over Trump. But you don't go away. And then all of a sudden I look up and you're everywhere. How did that happen? Roseanne Barr [00:01:39] I don't know how it happened. I really don't. Tucker [00:01:43] Did you expect to be doing this at this stage of your life? Roseanne Barr [00:01:46] No. Well, I guess when I was really little, I saw myself doing something that was going to have good consequences to it. And, so anyways, this week I was like, hey, this is like when you were little and now you're doing it. It was one of those minutes where you go thank you God, because I do feel like God puts me where he wants. I mean, I'll tell you all that later, but no, I go like, hey, I'm a lady citizen journalist for my old age. Hell that's great. It's great because, you know, I love that - oh now I can't remember her name, but that one that used to interview everybody in the 50s. She had her own show, and she did the greatest interviews. I'm so stupid, I can't remember her name. Jake, check that lady out. My son. Tucker [00:02:41] Lady in the 50s who used to interview people. Tucker [00:03:24] Of course. Roseanne Barr [00:03:26] And a racist. And a transphobe and whatever. A Zionist baby killer. They call me everything. And before that, when I was on the left, the right used say, but they're the same. I guess it's all the same. People play in different parts. They call me a cow. You know destroying the American dream. Man hater. You know, they've always throwing stuff at me, and none of it was ever true. But I had to live through all that gantlet of hate since I first showed up. Tucker [00:03:56] So we have an answer your question. Is it Arlene Francis? Roseanne Barr [00:03:58] No, not Arlene. He was good though. No, not Barbara Walters. I knew her, she was good, though. With and more support, wasn't she? No, no, she was, kind of an ugly little woman with brown hair. Tucker [00:04:12] Okay, so an ugly little brown hair. Roseanne Barr [00:04:15] No. Tucker [00:04:16] Wendy. Barry. Google. Roseanne Barr [00:04:22] The greatest interviewer, Mae Brussels. Thank you God. Tucker [00:04:29] Mae Brussels was this, Salt Lake city stations. Roseanne Barr [00:04:30] Yeah. My dad used to watch it. Tucker [00:04:32] Okay. Roseanne Barr [00:04:32] And and he'd say, this this woman has integrity. You know, my dad used to decode media for me. Yeah, because he wanted to be a comedian. So he always showed me how comedy works, and, you know, anyway. Oh, my God, I can't even focus my mind. Tucker [00:04:48] Anyway, so you said you're a deeply religious Jew? Roseanne Barr [00:04:52] Yeah, since I was three years old. I wrote it in my third book called Rose-anarchy. I had a conversation going with God. I wrote it in my book. You know, have little kids, have an imaginary friend? Yes. Well, mine was God. It's kind of- Tucker [00:05:10] Choose wisely. Roseanne Barr [00:05:11] Yeah, because that's all we studied. It was an Orthodox Jewish family. And, so that was my friend. And I talked to him when I would read and study. I wanted to know everything about it, you know, and I would talk to him and he'd always answer this in my book. I said, how come you you could solve every problem on earth? All you got to do is just wiggle your little finger and you can stop all these problems. Why can't you do that? All you have to do is wiggle your finger. Because I was suffering. Tucker [00:05:41] Yes. Roseanne Barr [00:05:43] And he said to me, because I don't have fingers, Roseanne. Oh, but you do. And he said, and you should be very proud of that opposable thumb that I put on that hand of yours, because now you can really get busy helping a lot of people and trying to make things right. And he always gave me the answer that I knew God would give me. He didn't ever go. Go get them. They're wrong in their religion. He didn't never say none of that. So I knew it was Ham, you know. So he told me all the time. Go over here and do this and go over there and do that. Just trust me on this. And I did that my whole life, with the exception of the few marriages that really left me up. But then I got rid of those guys and continued on the path I supposed to go on. Tucker [00:06:35] Did you not ask for guidance on the marriages? Roseanne Barr [00:06:40] You know, I didn't listen. Yeah. It wasn't God's fault. Yeah, he told me, but I go. I'm putting you on hold. Yeah. I got some physical business that you don't want to know about. Tucker [00:06:53] Do you think you knew? Roseanne Barr [00:06:54] Well, yeah. Tucker [00:06:56] Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:06:57] Yeah, but it wasn't anything. I was married, so it wasn't anything bad. Tucker [00:07:03] Right. Roseanne Barr [00:07:03] I mean, except for that, it was horrible sex. What? You know, people should not have sex. That's one way that we can fix the world right now. Tucker [00:07:11] Lets people stop having sex. Yes, absolutely. That's a tough one. It's hard, you know, like quitting smoking or something. Roseanne Barr [00:07:16] I know, unless you're married and you can take care of the kids that are going to be a result of this, right? Isn't that common sense? Tucker [00:07:24] I strongly agree. Roseanne Barr [00:07:25] That's what I tell these young women, you know. Don't worry about them overthrowing Roe v Wade. For one, I tell to my nieces that are all Lib liberals. You don't have to worry about that. You rushed out to get the vaccine. You're never going to get pregnant. You ain't gonna have no baby. Don't even worry about it. Right. Tucker [00:07:45] Whoa! What? You must be their favorite. On what? Well. You're sterile. You don't worry. Yeah. How do you respond? Roseanne Barr [00:07:56] I get really mad. Tucker [00:07:59] They never laugh. Roseanne Barr [00:08:00] That's the thing about fascists that I found in my life. They don't like laughter and they don't like discussion. Tucker [00:08:08] Yes. Roseanne Barr [00:08:08] Them are the two things they hate the most. And they might be on the right and they might be on the left. But if they can't laugh their self or aren't or anything. And they can't discuss civilly with someone that they disagree with. They gotta go. They gotta move aside because it's a whole new world now, you know, because we got citizen journalists. Tucker [00:08:32] Yes. Roseanne Barr [00:08:33] And we have journalists such as yourself with a conscience, who care about this country and what it means and how. We have to do everything we can to save it at this late, late date. Tucker [00:08:53] Late date. Roseanne Barr [00:08:53] For all of us. Hello? Yes. And stop buying in the bullshit. You know, I said that to introduce the polis, the deep state bullshit. Tucker [00:09:03] Well, actually, it's funny you mention that we have that clip. Really? Yes. Roseanne Barr, this is your life. Here you are: Unidentified [00:09:10] Are we all fed up with the deep state bullshit? And the bullshit. We want Trump the MAGA door to kill that goddamn boy. And the bullshit cow that god damn boy. Tucker [00:09:53] Now, I just put the political analysis on hold for two seconds. You're obviously enjoying that immensely. Roseanne Barr [00:10:00] Oh. So fun. It was so awesome. You know, it's always fun to make people laugh and, you know, come alive. Tucker [00:10:09] So I think even if like you didn't like Trump and you weren't going to vote for Trump, you look at that and be like, that looks like a pretty good time. Roseanne Barr [00:10:15] Oh no, I would not- Tucker [00:10:17] Of course I don't mean you. But like- Roseanne Barr [00:10:19] Did not want to be doing that. Tucker [00:10:20] Watch that. You're wearing a cowboy hat. Roseanne Barr [00:10:21] Yeah I mean for God you did. And they didn't have the mic, so I had to stand on my tiptoes, which, you know, I can barely reach the mic, but, yeah, I swiped this hat off a guy, and, you know, I didn't like how my hair looked. Don't even like how well, my hair. You know, I cut my own hair with toenail clippers. It took me four days, but I cut a hair by hair because I was so sick of it. But yeah, yeah, of course, in the mirror. I'm not crazy. Tucker [00:10:51] Did anyone see you do it? Oh, God. Roseanne Barr [00:10:54] I was in a room by myself, but. No, but I loved it. And I had spent a lovely week down there at Mar a Lago. It was so awesome, and I just loved it. Tucker [00:11:06] What do you think of Trump? The guy? You know him. Obviously. What do you think about him? Roseanne Barr [00:11:10] Well, as I always say, he's the only guy in my Hollywood career that ever returned a favor. He's the only one who ever returned the favor and gave me back more than I had given him up. I think he has such integrity. I think he's like me a lot. He said he tried to be funny, and he is really funny. Yeah, the guys are really funny. He's got great timing and- Tucker [00:11:38] I see. Roseanne Barr [00:11:39] You know, we all laugh. I mean, we all think he's funny. Tucker [00:11:43] What favor, he returned? Roseanne Barr [00:11:44] Well, you know, I did. I was doing my, I think it was my second or third HBO special. Stand up special. And, you know, I always wait until the last minute. You know. So, anyway- Tucker [00:11:59] To write it? Roseanne Barr [00:12:00] Yeah. Tucker [00:12:01] Oh. Roseanne Barr [00:12:01] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's bad because I can't unless I'm in a panic, I can't write. I know it's you know what I mean? Tucker [00:12:08] Oh, I- Roseanne Barr [00:12:11] Unless all that chemical panic. Tucker [00:12:14] Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:12:15] It kicks in. My brain doesn't function well. Yeah. When- Tucker [00:12:19] Unless you're running from a bear, you don't run fast. Roseanne Barr [00:12:21] Yeah. That's exactly. Hello. Oh, that reminds her of bass joke. My dad told me. But I'll say that. But I'll tell you after about the running from the bear. What are we talking about? Tucker [00:12:34] Tell me about when you first met Trump. You're doing your HBO special. Roseanne Barr [00:12:36] Oh, no, that isn't when I first met him, but he let me film it at Trump. New Jersey, what's that called? Atlantic. Tucker [00:12:42] Atlantic city. Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:12:43] And not only that, but he drove me out in his Packard on stage. He drove me out in his Packard, got out and escorted me to the microphone, which was so lovely because my second special. I did it as a has been. Who's coming back? Yes. And the. Oh, my God, did they hate that? I got sued by every single casino in the world and had to give them back all the money, because it was when I got really famous after my first HBO special. And so my second one, I thought it would be really funny to come back and be a failed diva. Kind of like really prophetic like it is now and go, when I went to rehab, you know, my, I say I was injured, I was thrown off a horse while making National Velvet and my doctor prescribed crack, and I had all this time. But then I went to rehab. I didn't really want to go, but my publicist said it would help my comeback, and it was that kind of thing. And then, like, I watched Barbra Streisand one voice. She did this concert in her backyard where she charged all of Hollywood, something like $10,000 to come in her backyard, watch her. And I did her act word for word because it was the greatest thing any entertainers ever done. I never thought I'd. Ever sing in public again. But then again. Now she goes like this. I could never imagine myself singing in public again. But then again, I could never imagine the possibility of nuclear winter. Tucker [00:14:19] She- Roseanne Barr [00:14:20] Actually said that. And so I did it, you know. Tucker [00:14:23] But she wasn't kidding. Roseanne Barr [00:14:24] No, she wasn't kidding. Do you not kidding a little bit. She's deeply serious about what she says. You know, she's she just, you know, just been in a bubble for far too long. Tucker [00:14:36] Yes. Roseanne Barr [00:14:37] She she needs to go. She. You know, I never was in a bubble. Like I say, even though I was. Very much in a bubble in my own family. I lived in Salt Lake City, Utah. We were Jews in Salt Lake. So with my joke, we stuck out like a sore thumb in that town because we only had the one mother so that- Tucker [00:15:01] I remember you were Jews in Salt Lake City. Jews in a mormon state selling Catholic religious icons. Yeah, something like that. Roseanne Barr [00:15:10] Yeah, yeah. My dad and grandpa, they sold pictures. 3D pictures of Jesus, to the, our Mexican neighbors. And they'd get $2 on welfare pay day. I'd go knock on the door and get the $2 on welfare payday. We were on welfare, too, but, you know, so it was handy that lived in the neighborhood where you're selling the the, pictures. But they were, like, the size of a little girl. And it was just like this with his arms out, so nice and blond and everything. And then when you took two steps, he's crucified. And I used to go through that room like, added to my PTSD. Tucker [00:15:47] Oh, did they keep the. Yeah. They in the house. Roseanne Barr [00:15:50] Yeah. Because, well, I like two rooms. So they stacked around the, you know, walls there. Tucker [00:15:58] It's not your average childhood. Roseanne Barr [00:16:00] It's not your average childhood. I was always a stranger in a strange land, but it gave me a unique perspective. And God gave me a unique perspective. Like he was talking to me today. He's like, Roseanne, have you noticed what a gift I've given you by putting you in your lifetime to be alive? In a world where the jokes just write themselves and I go, I'm grateful. Thank you. Because I do. Tucker [00:16:28] Oh, yeah. It's never been perfect. Yes. Perfect. And you're enjoying, like things. You're collapsing, but you're enjoying it. Roseanne Barr [00:16:36] But like you like Virginia Woolf said, the job of the writer is to put the severed parts together, you know, create the clear picture for the viewer or the reader. That's what you do, too. So you know exactly what I'm talking about. How fun is it to put those parts together? And, you know, those two wires have never gone together, never been allowed to go together, and they just start a friggin huge one. Spark sets the whole woods on fire. You know, we're seeing it. We're seeing people go, wow, I've been lied to my whole life. Every day. Tucker [00:17:11] Is it? So what about the people you work with for so many years in the entertainment business, or any of them coming to these conclusions? Roseanne Barr [00:17:18] Oh, no, I don't think so. But, you know, once you're in that bubble. The bubble of show business or whatever bubble it is your little secret society or club. You don't never come out of it. You got to walk out like Egypt, like the Jews in Egypt. If you're not going to leave Egypt, you're never going to know what's beyond it, you know. And two thirds of the Jews, the Israelite tribes, they don't want to leave slavery. They had to be forced to leave. Yes. So that's how it is. So people that are like, able to still laugh and think and put severed parts together and get a clear picture are very needed now. And, you know, I'm praying that it will expand ever more so with. The things that are coming out in the news, but they do try to hide the news on the news. The news is to hide the news, you know. Tucker [00:18:18] I've noticed. Roseanne Barr [00:18:19] Yeah. So this whole. Tucker [00:18:21] Sinister lot is to tell the truth. Roseanne Barr [00:18:23] Yeah. That's what you're punished for in a world of lies that the truth is seen as. I can't remember how that thing goes. The truth is seen as only crime. Yeah. Tucker [00:18:34] So where. So you've been on the road with Trump. You were at that rally in Florida. Where do you see that going for him? Do you think he's going to win? Roseanne Barr [00:18:47] I don't know, it. It seems. Of course I want that to happen. But then when you get on Twitter or any of those social media things, you know, where everybody is paid to lie. Tucker [00:18:58] Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:19:00] And, you know, I saw it happening on Facebook a million years ago. I saw. All of this my whole life. I was raised in an apartment with survivors from Auschwitz. And I always knew it would come here because it always goes everywhere. And, it's a virus. And, you know, I see people in the streets repeating Nazi slogans that they don't even know come from the Nazis. Yeah, I've seen it my whole life. And I do think Trump is. The anti Hitler, even though Hillary says he's the Hitler Hitler. But I mean, that one is amazing, isn't it? How? They use the reversal and the mirror image? Yes. As they lock up. As they use the judicial system to persecute their opponent legally, and they make up these fake attorney general lawsuits that don't even have a victim. Tucker [00:20:16] Letitia James. Yes. Roseanne Barr [00:20:17] Who's seen as a civil rights worker or something. Abuse the law to that point. Allow no jury. I mean, it's just so terrifying to me as a Jewish American and and that that's allowed and that the press honks it up. You know, they just honk it up. Crank it up. We got to keep this going. We got a lot of people to divide and get hating on each other, which is why I came back to television. I didn't want them to do this because I know where it leads. Well, it starts with the Jews. Doesn't end with the Jews. The Jews are just the convenient canary in the coal mine. You know, because I know, you know, a lot of people don't like us. And, you know, there's a lot of reasons they don't want you got names like Epstein, Weinstein, Blinken, people that are like, you know, Yellen, people that are like on the side of against. The American taxpayer, for God's sake. Soros. Kissinger. I can name a ton of them. And, like I say in my act. Just because a very little sizable portion of our people are horrible fucking people. Please don't hold us all to that. But. But, you know, it's embarrassing. And then they're the ones calling me an anti-Semite. But they didn't stick up for me when I said the Iran deal was an existential threat to Israel. In so many words, in the Captcha captioning of a meme during a three month conversation about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Iran, and the United States. Nobody Jewish stuck up for me because I'm a Nazi. Because I like Trump. And why do I like Trump? Because Trump. Understands the Jewish people, and we owe a deep debt of gratitude to him for that. And that is why I myself and my mother is a lifelong Democrat. Unbelievably, also loves Trump. That's a minor miracle right there, buddy. Yeah, because she finally saw what the Iran deal is really about. And so she can't vote Democrat ever again at age 90. Tucker [00:22:48] What is, pardon my ignorance. I mean, I watched this happen. I knew some of the people involved in it, but I never really understood what the Iran deal is about. Roseanne Barr [00:22:58] Well, it's about what just happened in Israel on October 7th. That's what it's about in shorthand. They unleashed a, remember in the movie Planet of the Apes? Tucker [00:23:10] Yes. Roseanne Barr [00:23:10] Where they went after all the human beings who could read. They didn't even think they could talk. But they feared they might be able to talk. So all those militarized, beings like in Star Wars, came and beat down and locked those people in cages. The human beings in the movie Planet of the Apes, which was written by Rod Serling and was actually a movie about Nazi Germany and the Jews. So that was the reference I used in my tweet. But, you know, you kind of have to have. A, sort of a. A certain historical vantage point to understand that I was saying that which they lack in Hollywood. Yes. Because all all they are is we want a woman. We want a woman. We want this skin tone because our fetishists. Care nothing for our republic. Our way of life. Our constitutional republic. Which people have laid their lives down for for decades. I've seen it for seven decades. People have laid their lives down for that, and then they go about talking what's American? And it makes me sick when they say they might save our democracy. Well, democracy isn't burning down cities, okay? Democracy and forget that word because that's means mob rule. But. The heart of America. We keep being denied to see the real Americans, the heroes of America and I. I see him now because everywhere I go, I see him. Those are the people that those nurses say. Those are nurses and doctors that you know. Refused to go along. Those brave people in our armed forces who. Were kicked out because they they understood that no government, least of all this one, has the right to force, untested drugs on a captive population because that's nothing but fascism, Fascism and Hitlerism and Nazism and Stalinism all mixed together because, you know, this is exactly what Hitler would be like if we had computers. That's what we're living in. And now we got artificial intelligence where they're going to recreate people's lives using artificial intelligence for their movies. So nobody's even going to have a right to their own life story. They'll steal everybody's life story. It's so horrible. And, it's like, I feel like it's 99% sewed up, you know? I don't know if this is the end of the world. Looks like it to me. Tucker [00:26:24] Have you got about that? Roseanne Barr [00:26:25] Well, like I told my son, I don't really give a damn because I'll die my way out of it. Hahaha. But y'all have to deal with it. But here's the good news that this what I want to say. And I know you care. In the Torah, it says that 99% of this world is just physical. It's that 1% that matters. So I think that 1% is the one they can't factor in because they don't know what it is. They don't got it. But we do. And that's the 1% that. Is where all wars are decided and won and lost. That's God. So I just invite people to pray with me and pray themselves in their own words. Not by rote, not by prayers they've already heard, but in their own words that we. Because I know we do have the power of spirit together to make this whole stop and change it. I know we can do it. I just wish other people would know that too. I did it in my life. From a real low point. Let myself give myself permission to believe. I guess that's it. Gave myself permission to connect and believe and walk in. To do what I believed to walk in my, I don't know what you call it. Just to say what to live, what I say I believe to actually believe it and then live it. It's pretty amazing and it's transformative. Tucker [00:28:25] How do you feel different now that you've done that? Roseanne Barr [00:28:28] Well, I first did it in 1999 because I saw this all coming, you know, because I always everyone says I'm, you know, they got all these mental illness things for it, but really. I just found a safe place in my side myself that was connected to God at a young age. You know, it's a relationship. I don't know. I just, like, have been walking deeply with my God for a long, long time. And, you know, I gave myself, I gave myself, well, like, well, you know, if don't matter, I just want to be all in for America. I want to be all in for the United States of America, because this is where my family would have died if they didn't get here. And I saw that my whole life as a child, they would be dead. And I never would have been born if they didn't have an America. I wanted to be here for. Tucker [00:29:41] I do too. Roseanne Barr [00:29:42] I know you do. Tucker [00:29:43] I do. You spend a lot of time in Hawaii. Roseanne Barr [00:29:48] I haven't been back in a year since I went on that Fox deal. You know, I was doing that Fox deal. That was January 6th, a couple of years back when I was going to come do that special. Tucker [00:29:59] Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:29:59] So I moved to Texas December 5th and started working on my act. Talk about. Wait until the last minute. But I haven't been back in Hawaii since then. Tucker [00:30:13] So, I mean, you haven't been there since the fires. Roseanne Barr [00:30:16] No. They happen on another island. Tucker [00:30:18] Yeah. Not the one you live on. Roseanne Barr [00:30:20] Yeah, they happened on on, in Lahaina, behind the- Tucker [00:30:24] What was that? Roseanne Barr [00:30:26] Oh my God. Honestly, I feel that they target. They feel they target certain populations. They don't like anybody that has a direct connection to their sacred ground. I think it has a lot to do with October 7th. Also, that they don't like the people to live above their sacred ground in their, sacred ancestors, either because, you know, they might be able to put up a hotel there, for crying out loud. And people are nothing but useless eaters. And, you know, there are a bunch of, Bible clangers and gun toting and despicable or deplorables, whatever she called this. Tucker [00:31:14] Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:31:15] And, you know, they're just in the way. And then they bring out Oprah. You get $700 and you get $700 and you get 700. You know, it's just it's just part of it. And, is that it? Nothing has been done for them. Tucker [00:31:30] Is that a criticism of Oprah? Because I don't I don't know that we're allowed to do that. Roseanne Barr [00:31:33] No, no. Yeah, it is, because it was just. Oh my God. Yeah, it was an attack on the Hawaiian people, and that's. Something that's very meaningful to me too. When I went to Hawaii, I always. I won't even go into that. But yeah, they haven't done nothing. They're moving a lot of those people from Lahaina onto my island. Now, our big island, they're putting them in Hilo. That's a war crime, in my opinion. But thereafter every tribal people, if you noticed that, have oil under them, or a place where they can put a 15 minute smart city or, you know, a place where they can have a pipeline, they they don't like people that are connected to the Earth by ancestral ancestry. That's all a bunch of crap they read in their old books. Let's say we aren't supposed to be able to have sex with kids. In short. Tucker [00:32:38] Sure. So. Last question. Do you see? That's the maybe the greatest summary I've heard in a long. Thank you. Yeah. Roseanne Barr [00:32:53] Did you hear my other one? I said it to Dinesh D'Souza. Obama-Maoism. Tucker [00:32:59] Obama-Maoism. I like that. Do you think Obama is behind all this? Roseanne Barr [00:33:02] Of course. Duh. Tucker [00:33:05] Yeah. Dumb question. Roseanne Barr [00:33:05] In himself. Also, I need his old sock puppet upstairs so I can sit down here in the basement and do what I do best dropping bombs on people and drone them and, you know, getting richer. He's the richest president we've ever had. People don't even know that. They don't know Lolo Sotoro cofounded Halliburton with the Bush family. Did you know that? What else did you want to ask me? You were going to have. Tucker [00:33:33] No, I, I guess I'll end with this. Tell us the bear joke from your father. Roseanne Barr [00:33:41] See if I can remember correctly. On. This guy's telling a guy who lives in the woods the other day hunting and a bear come at me, and he started chasing me, and, oh, I was running. And, you know, I run up a tree to get away from him. My God, the bear comes up after me. So I've been jump out of the tree and run, and I see a little crick there. So I run across the creek because I think he'll lose my scent, you know, in the water. But hell no. He comes across the water, he's up there and he's got me up against, barrel. Hey there. And, oh, I just shit my pants. And the guy goes, well, I would have shit my pants, too if a bear was on me like that. The guy goes, oh, no, not then and just now. I should have my. Tucker [00:34:28] Your father told you that? Roseanne Barr [00:34:30] Yeah. Tucker [00:34:31] How old were you when he told you that? Roseanne Barr [00:34:36] That's one of his good ones. Tucker [00:34:37] Do you ever have I you hear from. Roseanne Barr [00:34:39] Oh, I got so many home movies when I said, daddy, how come Santa Claus don't come to our house like he does all the neighbor kids when I was just little? Because Santa Claus hates the Jews. So I can be no other way than this. Tucker [00:34:56] You know what I'm saying? It's wonderful to see you so wonderful. And I know, I know, probably next week or the week after, they're going to try and shut you down again, but I think it's going to work. Roseanne Barr [00:35:05] Well, I, I'm just all about God now and preaching the gospel from the Torah. And I'm going to tell everybody if they don't start repenting, they're going straight to hell. That's what I feel like I was born to do. You know how Trump says he's been preparing his whole life for this fight? So my. I feel that about myself. Tucker [00:35:25] I think you people, you may be onto something. Roseanne Barr [00:35:27] They're people. They need to look inside and straighten up their own life and stop blaming Jews and anybody else. That's my message. Tucker [00:35:39] And the old books tell you that you can't touch kids. Roseanne Barr [00:35:41] Yeah. And the old books also tell us that. I'm serious when I say this that God has damned on this earth. Anyone that is involved in any way that purposely hurts children, God has damned them all and it's time to say it. Tucker [00:36:01] Amen. Thank you. Roseanne Barr [00:36:02] Thank you.

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The Biden administration is trying to send an 82-year veteran to prison for life for the crime of repeating ‘Russian misinformation.’ The scariest, most important criminal case you’ve probably never heard of. ucker [00:00:00] So it was about two years ago, a little over two years ago, that Russian troops moved into eastern Ukraine and throughout the West, Western media reported this as a totally unprovoked act of aggression. Who could have seen it coming? But there was, if you paid very close attention, one political group in the United States that had a different explanation for it, and it was a group a lot of people would dismiss as fringe, a group called the African Peoples Socialist Party. And to be honest, we never heard of them. But around this time they started releasing videos with a different view. Those videos were critical of the United States and NATO, and they pointed out that there was, in fact, a history here, and that NATO had been expanding eastward for quite some time and putting a lot of pressure on Russia. Now, you may agree or disagree with that, but they had a coherent view of it. And to give you an example of what that view was. Here's video from the group's chairman, a man called Omali Yeshitela. Watch. Omali Yeshitela [00:00:54] This discussion about Russian military buildup on its border with Ukraine, and how this represents a terrible threat, to Ukraine by, by Russians. But there is no acknowledgment of the history that took us to this place, how the US overthrew, participated in and facilitated the overthrow of a government in Ukraine that was friendly to the Soviet Union. Nor does it talk about the history of this relationship between Ukraine and Russia. Then you have to remember that they're using NATO here too and NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, was something that came into existence to deal with the Soviet Union of Soviet Russia, as it used to be called. And so this is an ongoing aggression that did not just start. It has been going on for a while, but the US government, relies on the eagerness of, of the people, in this country and in much of the world that's facilitated by people like Zuckerberg. Tucker [00:01:58] So you could agree or disagree with that analysis. Couple parts of it are indisputably true. One, the US government does rely on the ignorance of its population to do things in that population's name that the population doesn't want. Start all kinds of pointless wars, for example, get people killed, bankrupt the government. That's all real. It's also true that there is a history in Ukraine, and you may or may not think it justifies Russian aggression, but there's no question that NATO has been moving eastward, and it's hard to see why. What benefit is there to the NATO member states? In any case, that's a point of view. Agree with it or not. But for some reason, the FBI was watching. They were watching, and they considered sentiments like that not just wrong or offensive, but a crime. And so three months later, the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, our federal law enforcement tasked with keeping us safe, spent its time and a lot of agents - it looked to be dozens of agents - raiding the home and the office of the man you just saw speaking, as well as the homes of six other members of his organization. Dozens of heavily armed agents descended with automatic weapons. They used flashbang grenades and drones. The first thing they did when they broke in, when they smashed the door, was to tape over the internal security cameras, so there would be no record of what they were doing. And then they walked off with a huge amount of material they stole things from Yeshitela and his wife and a bunch of other people who work for this organization. Then they handcuff them and lead them away. This is how they describe the experience at the time. Omali Yeshitela [00:03:35] They handcuff me and my wife out here. They wanted me to sit on the curb, while they were carrying this out. Something that I refused to do. They wanted my wife to sit on the curb out here, but she refused to do. Speakers: [00:03:54] As I was coming out, this big old drum met me. The only revolutionary organization that's done something here on the ground practically for African people is the one that's come under attack. Institution that offers a community radio station, a newspaper, a commercial kitchen and a rental space and community office for organizers. That was the building that has come under attack. Tucker [00:04:47] So if you're watching this video right now, the chances are that you're probably not a revolutionary black nationalist. We're not, obviously, but you may be an American, and if you are an American or if you believe in the idea of America, you should care about this case. Why? Because of the charges. Now, typically in situations like this, when the city of Philadelphia, for example, incinerated the entire MOVE community back in the 80s when the US government under Bill Clinton killed all the Branch Davidians and their children at Waco, when federal agents murdered Randy Weaver's wife and child and shot his dog there's some pretext for doing it. There's a gun charge. They were caught with bomb making materials. There's some weird sex stuff going on. They're child pornographers. It's human trafficking. They at least bother to tell you a story that makes you stop asking more questions. Because you think to yourself, well, these people were obviously very bad. They did something that was a legit felony, and they probably got what was coming to them. What's so interesting about this case is that the government under Joe Biden is not even pretending that they did anything illegal. There's no actual crime here. No one has been charged with bomb making or hurting anyone or any act of violence, no active embezzlement or theft. What they're charged with is liking Russia, is having opinions that the Biden administration doesn't want them to have, saying things that they're not supposed to say in public. So even if you're not a revolutionary black nationalist, you should care deeply about this case, because first, they come for people like this, people on the fringe, and then they come for you. The details of the story are even more shocking than we're describing, and we're going to get them from the man at the very center of it, Omali Yeshitela, the chairman of this group, the man now accused of being a Russian agent and about to go on trial. We're honored to have him join us now. Mr. Chairman, thank you so much for coming on. Omali Yeshitela [00:06:42] Thank you very much for having me. This is an important interview for us. It helps us to break out of this encirclement, information encirclement that has been imposed on us, by the US government. And when we talk about the ignorance of the people, being a factor here, part of the way to keep the people ignorant is to keep them from participating in discussion. Because, the attack on the right to speak is also an attack on the right of the people to hear. So I have something to say for me, as you said agree or not agree with it. But at least, they can have opinions that are informed opinions about, agreeing or not agreeing with me. But when they use grenades and battering rams, and armored vehicles and assault weapons and things like that to keep me from talking. And when they talk about putting me in prison for 15 years, which is the equivalent of a life sentence for me. This is designed to keep people from hearing what I have to say. And this is real testimony, in my opinion, of the fragility of a social system that cannot tolerate a discussion coming from somebody, from one of the most economically, depressed sectors, the city of Saint Louis. So, so it's all a falsification. I wanted to say, first of all, that, our lawyers for the point for the purpose of making this defense have to move forward and say that even if we did what they said, we did, that, the First Amendment protects us. But I want to say beyond that, that they fabricated most of what they say, that they're lying. It's mostly a fabrication and that they are politically motivated and doing what they do, they have done because of internal crises and crises in the existing global system, that sees, forces like China and Russia, and increasingly even countries like, Iran, countries like Venezuela, challenging the hegemony, of a country that has, held that, for the longest period of time has been the big hegemon. And so I think this is a domestic crisis that was best represented by what we see happening inside this country right now. And what we see being partially responsible for it, by forces around the world, who are challenging the ability of the United States, to continue to be the big dog here. I think that's what we're looking at. Then, of course, there's the immediate, immediate personal interests of a guy, who's running for president, reelection and, who is also attempting to escape the moniker of being sleepy. So, I mean, I think these are some of the factors that, that informs much of what's happening right now. Tucker [00:09:44] One of the great and beautiful things of this moment, of this moment that we're living in, is that we can sort of put aside some of our preconceptions, and I'm sure there's a lot we disagree on. I don't think I disagree with a single word that you just said. I thought it was very nicely put and wise. And I just want to say for the record, I agree with you. This is a sign of fragility of the regime. Confident rulers don't act like this. But I just had to say that. But I just want to get to the facts of it quickly. So am I misreading this? I think your lawyer is right. Even if you are guilty of what they accuse you of doing, you're not guilty of any crime because you're not accused of violence, theft, no conventional crime. You're accused of having the wrong opinions. Am I missing something? Omali Yeshitela [00:10:33] Well, yeah, because what they've said is that even if what we said was true, even if it's disinformation, we're accused of, spewing Russian disinformation. And they have said that even if we said what we said is true, it is it still amounts to disinformation. So they're not necessarily accusing us of lying. They're accusing us of talking. Tucker [00:11:01] Right? Tucker [00:16:23] But may I ask you. May I ask you a question, though? But this is being done by the administration that tells us constantly how much they love and worship black people. They love black people. No one's ever done more for black people than the Biden administration. And no one has has cheered that on more loudly than the New York Times and The Washington Post, which also love black people probably a lot more than you do. So have they come to your defense at all? Omali Yeshitela [00:16:52] Not at all. Tucker [00:16:53] Yeah. Why? That's kind of weird. Omali Yeshitela [00:16:54] And it's really, a real serious kind of contradiction, that this is, able to occur and especially, you know, I mean, we talk about Biden if we just take it on a personal level, which is not necessarily where I was intending to go. But if you take it just on a personal level, we're talking about Biden, who claims to be the great liberal who, white man who loves us. We're talking also about the guy who was opposed, to the civil rights bill, talking about the guy who was opposed to bussing because he didn't want his children to have to go to school in a jungle, etcetera. That's just on a personal level. And, but here they have never had to have to offer African people anything when they run for office. It's not because they are offering us anything. They are frightening black people. They say, if you don't vote for us, you're going to get Trump. Who is a demon? Or are you going to get the Republicans who are demons, or are you going to get what we characterize as fascism, etc., so they don't have to promise black people anything except they swear they they will protect us from from the other white people. That's one aspect of and then there's a whole body of folk who are employed through, things like welfare, slavery and programs that they create, and, it's a whole array of folk that employ liberals based on that and what we stand for, self-determination. We also believe in reparation. But the point is that we have in Saint Louis alone, we have in seven contiguous blocks in Saint Louis, economically depressed sector. We we purchased something like 20 some properties. And we put businesses and other kinds of things there. That's not permissible. We are supposed to get in line for welfare or something like that. And we are teaching African people that you can be self-determining. There is an alternative to what you got. But the whole Democratic Party apparatus rests upon this foundation of welfare slavery. And this is why they would have black people, located. And so our, the Democratic Party, you can't say, that they lied to us, whether it was Obama or whether it was, this guy, Biden. You can't say they lied to us because they didn't promise anything except they would protect us from Trump, from the Republican Party. And I'm not a Trump, person or Republican person. I'm for the liberation of black people. And that's what this whole thing about working for Russians is so ridiculous. I'm not looking for another master. I'm trying to get rid of the whole relationship. That presupposes, that we would be served with, service of anybody. Tucker [00:19:40] I mean, given that you haven't actually done anything, you're not accused of doing anything that isn't already legal, exercising rights that are guaranteed to you from birth till death under the U.S. Constitution. I'm a little bit surprised that nobody has defended you in the US media. Now, I will say your name sounds non-mainstream of your organization, but once. Omali Yeshitela [00:20:07] You go. Tucker [00:20:08] Yeah, everything's fair. Fair, Barack Hussein Obama. But once. But once you learn the details of this, you'd think there would be at least one civil libertarian at the New York Times editorial page of the Washington Post or NBC news or CNN or any of these groups. Has anybody said a word about an armored personnel carrier showing up at your house? First for speaking, for talking. Omali Yeshitela [00:20:38] You know, we've had to go out and really, work. I mean, in July of, this year, we had, a meeting, a conference, and we pulled together something like 40 different organizations and what have you to unite, as a part of a free speech, anti-colonial free speech movement who are pushing back on this. And I think that includes, one, organization of lawyers and what have you. But generally speaking, we haven't been able to get anything, even so-called progressive black politicians and what have you. Have not stepped forward. But you also got to remember we're talking about a period, where it's impermissible even to say, well, you can say from sea to shining sea, you kind of say from, from, how does it go from, from the river. Is it from the river to river to the sea? You know, you know, I mean, it's it's incredible. The, the attack that's being made on the right, the people speech. And by the way, as a point of information, I've been arrested several times on the question of speech. I was arrested in Florida. They created a law, called incitement to. Right. It didn't have to be a riot. I just had to want one to happen. When I spoke, I mean, they put me in jail and threatening to put me in prison for having done that. So this question of, of speech is a really critical issue, and people need to pay attention. I was under assault in Saint Petersburg, Florida in 1996. Some 300 cops, National Guard troops, building, set houses on fire. Used all kinds of machinations, including the FBI, because they were concerned, that we were protesting and speaking out against, police having kill, an 18 year old youngster and, and, the grand jury, having said it was all right for that to occur, and we were having a meeting and they didn't want me to talk. And so they attacked the building, they said in our own building and said that, that you have, something like five minutes to get out of the building because this is an illegal meeting in our own. We own the building. And so they attacked us. So the free speech question and the the problem is they did this and in plain view, people saw it happen. They brought I mean, the people in the community actually brought a helicopter down by gunfire. This is how intense it was. And not a single civil libertarians stepped forward to say, why are you attacking these people for speech? Tucker [00:23:12] Well, I'm I'm confused. So you're describing basically what the Black Lives Matter people said four years ago. They got some of them got legit rich out of it. You don't seem like you've gotten rich. And they they got all this money from Apple and the biggest companies in the world. And of course the media cheerlead them. Well, how did you miss out on that? Omali Yeshitela [00:23:36] Well, because the thing is, I like to say Black Lives Matter, is such an empty slogan. It's a win rather than a demand. Anyway, I mean, so, you know, Joe Biden says black lives matter. I mean, you got the whole Democratic, party, you know, Congress. And what have we get out on one knee with kente cloth from Ghana on the over their shoulder saying black lives matter because it doesn't mean anything. It's a it's a non statement. But what we say is black people have to have power. So we want power on like that's the question. And that's the basis for the difference in how they would treat Black Lives Matter and how they would treat us. And and you're right, the Black Lives Matter slogan is almost a Zuckerberg manufactured slogan. Certainly, if it's not manufactured by Zuckerberg, it's certainly promoted, by Zuckerberg and and all the white people who love us. Tucker [00:24:28] So tell us about what else? I wasn't aware this. I was talking to someone on your staff, this morning. It's not just the government that went after you. And I should say you haven't gone on trial. You're not convicted of anything. I mean, you've not. You're not a criminal, okay? But it sounds like business has aligned against you as well. If you wouldn't mind explaining what's happening. Omali Yeshitela [00:24:53] Yeah. I mean, yeah, right. I mean, we've been sanctioned by banks, like, we have some kind of, hostile country, the banks that we've done more than 20 years, businesses with. And we've never missed a payment. We we, you know, really disciplined in terms of taking care and sometimes paid earlier than what was due. And the banks, regions, banks, one big bank that, they, they, kicked us off, they even some members organized members of, movement, they personal accounts have shut down. They shut us down. They forced the payment of, of, something like an $80,000, mortgage thing that we had, and we were given something like two weeks to pay it off. We've had. Similar things happening from another bank. We we've had, some 60, 130,000 signatures that have been collected on petitions, that we're calling on people to take the United States, before the United Nations, for violation of the, UN convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. They were taken down, disappeared because, as you know, the U.S government claims that, the work that we were doing, on a tour, getting, participated in by the United Nations, trip throughout the United States, and six cities. And we were collecting petitions on, that and talking about reparations that the Russians paid us to do that. So they took that down. I guess it must be some kind of evidence of crime that we committed. We don't know. It just disappear. And then, in terms of, and and that was just one of the banks, by the way, there was another bank that similar did a similar thing. And just recently, we had a situation where, within the last week or so, ten days at least, the fiscal, the the the fiscal, how do you characterize it? Sponsor that we use because we really want to have this thing be quite transparent and and quite aboveboard because we've had to spend 100, 200 and, and, just about a quarter of $1 million already just in legal fees alone. And we have this process where people can make contributions to us. And the fiscus, sponsor that has, been dealing with something like 600 different entities that they function as, as fiscal sponsors of suddenly this, they were going out of business. And of the six top, we was, 5 or 6 among the top, forces, in terms of money going into that, and others of them have not the other others, the five of them have not even been operational for the last two years, so they decided they were going out of business. There's a whole bunch of coincidences happen. Coincidence that the church right across the street from my house that they attacked on July 29th, that church, coincidentally, where we had it, was it would have been empty for ages, and we had it under contract to purchase it in order to put programs in, for the community that that church mysteriously burned down. And then this attack on us on July 29th followed, an attack on on July 2nd, 2000, 29, where, 50 foot, flagpole, hosting 15 by 25 foot, red, black and green African national flag was torched in broad daylight. And the guy who was there was even charged with with arson, you know, some kind of criminal mischief thing. I mean, it's just this just a host of of attacks that's being made over us. And sometimes the government and sometimes financial institutions, like, regions Bank, where we've had demonstrations and what have you, but they are moving. It seems to, first of all, make us spend money that we've been using to put, programs on the ground. For example, on the day they attacked us, that morning, that same morning. And later that morning, we had scheduled, training for, for African women, who, were becoming doulas, being trained to become doulas, people who, take care, and make safe birth, for women and for the children in Saint Louis, we have a situation where, there are enough black babies dying in the first year of life, to fill 15 kindergarten classes. So we have in this doula training, they attack our building. They attack our home. That that did happen, but we we've initiated a process. We've bought properties where we, setting up a women's center, things like that. That's the kind of stuff that they are attacking. And so they would divert the money that we would have for these programs, where. And you need to come to Saint Louis. By the way, I heard you make an, some kind of suggestion that you might like me if you have dinner or something. And so that's an open invitation. Come on, Saint Louis. Thank you, thank you. I want you to see what we have done, because I think it's really important to get a grasp of the significance of what is happening to us, because you won't find another organization doing this really, really transforming an impoverished community. That's in a state of despair. I mean, we built $150,000, a $60,000 basketball court, in a place where children, black children are playing in the streets, dodging cars, going back and forth using makeshift, hoops, basketball hoops from bicycle, rims and things like that. You would think that the city would be applauding us. The government would be. And but here's an irony, because. They call, this a food desert in North Saint Louis where we live. And, I think we got something like, 80,000 or more, dollars. Grant from the, if what is the the the the FDA, you know, to to create and operate, a farmers market there, which is the most one of the most effective farmers markets that they say that's happening in the country, that they that the FDA has sponsored. This is who we are. And this is this is part of the crime that's being committed against our community, our people, because this is self determination. And that's the problem that they have. And that's the thing that the Democratic Party has, because it relies on, having this relationship with, black people who are tied to welfare slavery and not self-determination. And we won't tolerate that. Tucker [00:31:28] Amen. If you don't mind my asking, well, let me tell you why I'm asking when asked how old you are. Because I see this armored personnel carrier in front of your house. It looks like a war. And I see dozens of heavily armed FBI agents. And the presumption is that you're very dangerous. So to put that into perspective, how old are you? Omali Yeshitela [00:31:50] I'm 82 years old. I was 82 in October. And, that's why I say that this whole fifth part of a 15 year prison sentence is effectively a threat of, a life sentence, as it, as it relates to me that there are other young people, younger people like Penny Hess, who is a white woman who and I'm going to mention that who, is chair of the African People Solidarity Committee, and Jesse Neville, who was a youngster, who, is the chair of who the solidarity movement. And they work primarily in the white community. And this, this concept even of understand who we are, you know, like as quote unquote black nationalists, we are anti-colonialist forces, but we have organize, we have organizations of white people and 117 cities in this country. And what these organizations are doing is they are taking the demand for reparation. They are taking the exposure of genocide. They are talking about the injustices committed against African people. So Penny Hess and Jesse Neville, they are heads of two of those organizations that up, the up front of our movement in the white community. So, just want to say that we, we we are not race based politics, politic is based on this fundamental relationship, because even the concept of race, find itself, comes into existence, through colonialism. We are anti-colonialist and and that's a change. I mean, because it doesn't mean that we haven't always been I have been at one juncture, seriously concerned about the question of race because I took, my examples of how to explain reality from what I learned from this system. And so, the racism and racism and things like that. But, even the concept of race, denies me of nationality, that I'm, I'm not even, you know, a person that can be defined in relationship to a history of my own. It's a negation of my history and even what the government has done, in terms of charging me with being an agent of Russia. Like we don't have agency as a people like we like. I, I am one of the persons that was working against your this notion that participated in organizing people to register and vote, and, particularly in the state of Florida. I was in the United States military. I was there when the I was in Berlin when the Berlin Wall went up. I was one of those forces and one of those techs that faced, one of the first time Russian American tanks faced each other in a combat there. I was there, and, I don't know where Biden was. I don't know where he was during that period I was there, you see. And, so this whole notion that somehow I'm being manipulated and I'm mentioning the thing about about Florida because I was there when the Cuban crisis, missile crisis. Now I'm stationed in Georgia. And so they send, a convoy of troops to go into, Florida, Fort Patrick, I think it was it was a Patrick Air Force base in Florida. And I'm on a convoy and I'm writing, from Fort Benning, Georgia, in a convoy, and we're driving down, to, to this area near cocoa in Florida. You know where I'm talking about. Yes, I live in Florida. And, and so we get to Palatka, Florida, and people get out, on the convoy to go and eat, in this restaurant. And we go in the restaurant, and and the woman who is serving said, we don't serve. Y'all can talk about me. I'm in the US military. I'm going to defend you, as you say, from the from the Cubans, missiles. And then you say, I can eat there. But that was all right because my officer, the white officer, said, don't worry about it. We'll bring you something out. So this is this is the history that we are talking about. And, so this notion that I don't know if, if, if the Russians ever had to experience that before, I don't think, Russians ever had to do that kind of stuff and, and be threatened as I was in Madison, Florida, with lynching for, for taking black people, to register and vote on, in Alachua County, where I was taking black people to register to vote. I don't know if Russians ever have experienced that. And, and and based on that, I don't see how the hell the Russians could be teaching me, leading me, you know, like around this issue. So it's just ridiculous on its face. Tucker [00:36:03] I think this is one of the most. Omali Yeshitela [00:36:05] Negate my history. That's what part of what it is they would negate, the history of black people in this country. And part of it is negation of the history of a country itself. And this part of what I mean in terms of, you know, history, I mean, it can be unpleasant, but if we don't face it, if we don't look at it, we can never solve any real problems. That's one of the contradictions we're looking at right now in occupied Palestine. Look at the history. That's the thing about Ukraine and Russia. People can get misused. People die. We are facing a possible nuclear conflagration, because of this falsified, this story that they've invented about Ukraine. It's, it's ridiculous and it's dangerous. And, that's that's one of the reasons I'm glad to have this discussion with you and. Giving me access to people who I normally wouldn't be talking to. Tucker [00:36:53] I hope this is seen far and wide. Yeah. It's. I'm grateful, that you came on and talk to us and Godspeed, on your trial. Omali Yeshitela [00:37:02] Thank you so much. We'll be fine. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

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