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Democrats in Congress are working to shut down a TV network that criticized them. That’s illegal but it’s happening. LINK to original video here >>> https://tuckercarlson.com/the-tucker-carlson-encounter-dan-ball/ READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] If the First Amendment means anything and it has to if this is going to remain America, it means that the US government cannot censor the news. It can't make laws to stop journalists from saying what they think is true. So that's not a arcane legal question, it's in the text. It's the First Amendment to our Bill of Rights, the whole point of America. And yet out there in the open. Democrats are working to shut down news organizations all over the country. We've reported on this for a couple of years, but in no case are they're doing it more openly than their attempt to shut down a conservative news channel called One America News. OAN. And so why are they doing this? Well, they say the channel pushes something called disinformation, disinformation you should know does not mean that something is dishonest or factually incorrect. It can be entirely true. It just means that the people in charge don't want to hear it, and they don't want you to hear it. So it's therefore, disinformation is a term stolen from the Intel agencies, which are part of the apparatus in the federal government that Democrats are using to shut down the news. So here's California Governor Gavin Newsom going after OAN for daring to say that the vaccine might not be safe and effective. Newsom Soundbite [00:01:14] Well, the platforms are of concern, of course, and platforms have to do a better job across the spectrum. But they're also those that, propaganda machines that are out there as well. Let's be candid. One American News. You're familiar with them down here, perhaps one of the great disinformation networks in America. Tucker [00:01:30] Oh, man. It's one of the great disinformation networks in America. There's a guy who lies every day for a living, and it's not a guess. It can be proven. There's a guy who locked down the entire state and then went to the French Laundry in Napa for dinner without a mask on. That guy's accusing other people of disinformation. So what you have here is the oldest story ever told. The people in power don't want to be criticized. And in a so-called democratic system, they don't want voters to know that they're liars and incompetent. So they shut down anyone who tells the truth about them or who spreads a message they don't care for. It's just abuse of power. It never changes. It's been going on since Nebuchadnezzar, and he learned it from his grandfather because it's never not existed. But this country officially disallowed it, made it illegal with the Bill of Rights, which is just now being ignored. So House Democrats are putting pressure on cable providers to cut ties with OAN, because that's not unconstitutional somehow. So we're watching all of this. It's getting no attention. And we thought, why not speak to someone at the center of it Dan Ball, he's a host of Real America on One America News on OAN, and he joins us now, is due to explain what's happening to him and his employer. Dan, thanks very much. Dan Ball [00:02:39] Tucker. Can I say thank you. Oh my gosh. Inviting me, OAN. Some of our managements here and ownership as well. We truly appreciate it. Oh I mean of course, in a voice of reason, common sense for the people, for the Constitution, for freedom of press, freedom of speech. So thank you. Tucker [00:02:57] Thank well, that's all that matters. I mean, I've got nothing to do with Oann. I don't even own a TV, as you know, but I think it is. I hate the word, but it's existential. It is a question of life or death for the country, whether or not the First Amendment stands, and the idea that Democrats in power trying to shut down a news organization for saying things you don't like, which, by the way, happen to be true things. Yes. Is really a threat to life as we know it. So thank you. So tell us, just I'll ask you simple questions and get out of the way. How are government officials trying to shut down your news organization? Dan Ball [00:03:29] So go back to 2020. Let's start with the reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop. Yes. OAN was the first one to break that. Yes, they it was legit. We had Rudy Giuliani come on with our Sheinelle Ryan and discuss it. We even went over to Ukraine and interviewed some folks. And in August we broke that story before the election. We were then called by every single mainstream media outlet and Democrats, purveyors of disinformation, Russian propagandists. There was people online saying that we were owned by Russia, that we favored Putin, that Mr. Herring was bought and paid for by Russia or Trump. I can guarantee you it's a sweet 82 year old hard working man and his two sons. Not Putin, not Trump. I can assure you I've been there almost four years. Tucker [00:04:10] Can I just say, because I've been obviously the the subject of this as well? Dan Ball [00:04:13] Yes. You know. Tucker [00:04:14] I don't really care who owns your news, anyone's news network. If it turned out that, you know, you were owned by Vladimir Putin, I would, which you're not, of course, but I would still assess the product on its own terms. Is what you're saying true or not? I mean, that's all that matters. Dan Ball [00:04:28] And what they tell us back then, the laptop was Russian disinformation. You had those, what, 50 some ex intelligence community people say it was misinformation. Disinformation, Russian propaganda. Yes, sir. And we aired it. So that's when it really started. Okay. They looked at us and went, oh my God, these guys are going to interfere with the election because we're spinning truth to power. We're telling you this laptop is real. The big guy is Joe Biden, he's taking 10%. He's used his family and his influence to make millions to enrich himself. Well, they didn't like that very much. No. And then of course, Covid. We're in the middle of Covid. We busted through the narrative of the masks aren't working. When Joe took over and he told him to get the vaccine, he was talking about that winter of death and everything. We were talking about the irregularities you'd see with the vaccine when it comes to side effects and deaths, they didn't like that. So it was kind of cascading downward from a Hunter Biden laptop story to Covid coverage. And then we had the 2020 election, okay. And we had people on, of course, discussing irregularities in the election. They didn't like any of that. So it started several ways. YouTube demonetized us. I mean, every time we put a story about Covid masks, distancing, the laptop boom, taken down, 30 day suspension, 60 days, or just try to kill the whole account. And then all of a sudden letters came out. I think about 21 or 22 and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong on the date. But you had a letter and I think I gave it to your producers. There was a letter from four Democrat senators and two California Congress folks, Democrats, who sent letters to not only all of the satellite and cable carriers, but also to advertisers. And they used that little thing from Newsguard, which I heard you talk about Newsguard in that ESG rating and pyramid system. Tucker [00:06:08] It's just a CIA operation to shut down the truth. Dan Ball [00:06:11] And they told them to get rid of. And your old network was named Fox, Newsmax and OAN. Now, who's the smallest on that totem pole? We are. So they came after us. And so they scared away advertisers. They got us kicked off multiple carriers. Frontier Verizon Direct TV. Everything, because they sent these letters. Tucker [00:06:29] Sitting members of Congress, tried to get a news channel kicked off the air and bankrupted. But isn't that right? I mean, call me naive in the country I grew up in, that was just absolutely not allowed. You weren't allowed to do that. Dan Ball [00:06:42] We're not state run TV, right? We're not supposed to be. I mean, when I got ino- Tucker [00:06:46] Against the law to do that. Dan Ball [00:06:47] Well, but does this regime care? Look what the Biden or he has been doing to this country. They don't care that look at the border. Tucker [00:06:52] So the members who just help us by doing this. Dan Ball [00:06:54] I gave you the letters. I don't have them in front of me. The problem issue was one of them from California and, yeah. And McEnany, McEnany some like that from California. That's the two Congress folks. Tucker [00:07:04] Our House rep. And your company's based in Southern California. Dan Ball [00:07:06] Yeah, we're in San Diego. You're the stomping grounds for senators. I don't recall, but they were Democrats, I can tell you that. I don't have the names off the top of my head, but again, so they use those letters, and in those letters it said, we want you to look into these purveyors of disinformation, the good old disinformation phrase. And then what do you know? Months later, we're kicked off platforms. Okay. We're demonetized on social media, are major accounts with millions of followers for OAN are shadow banned or censored or fact checked every damn day? Right? This is what's been going on since 2020. And some people covered it and talked about it in 20 and 21 for us. And then it went by the wayside. You know, we went away according to the left because they kicked us off everything. But we've been fighting like hell ever since. And so again, thank you for covering. Tucker [00:07:49] Well, I mean, it's just I'm sorry. I just have to pause to internalize all this. I mean, first of all, I'm embarrassed has taken me so long just to hear the story. I was sort of aware of it, but it's shocking to me, right? Because it is so illegal and obviously illegal. It's as illegal as anything you could do in America. Dan Ball [00:08:06] Oh, Tucker, listen. Tucker [00:08:08] For members of Congress to shut down a news organization because they don't like what it says. That is not allowed in the United States. That's like any other crime, including murder or rape. It's not allowed. And they're doing it anyway. And no one's saying anything about it, were there news stories about this? Dan Ball [00:08:21] A couple, but not really mainstream. I mean, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, places like that would cover it and say OAN is under fire, but when you have 98% is, you know, of the mainstream media that leans heavily left. And every other day we had an article from Mediaite, Media Matters, Daily Beast, Rolling Stone, even ripping away. And there's dozens of them online. Myself too. Calling me out, calling me a purveyor of disinformation, a liar, a propaganda. Tucker [00:08:45] Because you were saying that Covid vax didn't work very well. Dan Ball [00:08:48] We said that the masks weren't working, that the social distancing isn't working. And by the way, all those reports in the last few months have come out. All true. Tucker [00:08:56] How many people, you know, who died of Covid? How many people do you know who are injured or killed by the facts? I've asked that question of 100 people, not one person knows more people who died from Covid than were killed or injured by the vax. Not one. Maybe the numbers are different. I'm just telling you my experience. So that's not a crazy thing to ask. Dan Ball [00:09:10] Oh well, let me tell you. When I was out there talking about ivermectin hydroxychloroquine, which work, by the way, because I try, I did them when I was sick with Covid and I felt better in 36 hours. They I would get death threats and messages going. You're killing people by saying that. Why are you going to take chlorine in a horse tranquilizer? Morons, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin around for decades. Tucker [00:09:28] So and but it's this constellation of intell agency cutouts Mediate, rolling Stone, Daily Beast. It's the same group neoliberal effectively state media or organizations that don't represent a huge percentage of American voters or no meaningful representative, no, a percentage of voters. But they're just like they're all working in concert. They're a mouthpiece. Dan Ball [00:09:55] For the left and Democrats. Yeah, I mean, that's what they are. Look, I got into this just like you. You're a few years older than me, but I've been doing this for, gosh, I'm 50 this year. And I started at 18 in the military. Yeah. And for the Armed Forces Radio television service. So 32 years I've been doing this and I started doing it to tell stories to help the people. My brother was a firefighter. We lost him years ago to cancer, him and I got into a debate one time about my job versus his and first responders and people that help the community goes. Dan your job's important. What journalists do is like a public servant. You're out there trying to help protect the people, tell them the truth of what's going on, speak truth to power of government. And so don't don't discount yourself. Don't discredit yourself. And so that stuck with me back in oh eight. My brother told me that free past and I come to this network in 2020 and I think, oh my gosh, here's a place where I can tell the truth, Mr. Herring, his sons, they don't come down and dictate and say, you will have these hosts, you are a guest. You won't have these guests. You must use these talking points. They're like, Dan, you have 30 years of experience. We've been on the air ten years. You know more than us go. And they let me be to tell the truth. And so I really embraced that. And I got to say it, I fell in love with the network and the family, and they've treated me like family. And to watch them go through this and 125 hard working employees, it pisses me off to no end, Tucker. I bet that they can do this to us when we have that first article. It talks about free speech and freedom of the press. I've dedicated my adult life to it. And now we're dealing with this bullshit where they can just try and shut down an entire family owned mom and pop network. It's disgusting. It's so un-American. It's like what's happening with the border. Tucker [00:11:24] The people in charge, don't want to be criticized, of course. No. Right. But in this country, they're not allowed to do anything about it, but suddenly they are. Exactly. So tell me about the carriers. And for those who aren't in the in this business, explain, if you would, how that works. Dan Ball [00:11:40] From, satellite and cable and online services. So in the year of 2022, from May, August and November, if I got those three months correct and it went in this order, I believe Direct TV, Verizon Fios and frontier all dropped us. Tucker [00:11:57] So that means. Tucker [00:11:59] You produce the product, the programing, the shows, and then those shows come into the homes of your viewers through wires owned by and services provided by the companies you just listed. Dan Ball [00:12:09] And there's contracts worked out and whatnot, and I can't go too deep into all that because there's pending lawsuits, of course, but that's another way they've tried to silence us is through lawsuits. Tucker [00:12:19] Are you satisfied? Is management of the company satisfied? You sincerely believe no B.S., that you were dropped from those providers because of pressure from the Congress? Dan Ball [00:12:29] 110%, of course. Listen, right before they started dropping us, comscore, which is a rating service I'm sure you're familiar with. Yeah, correct. Nielsen at the old school books and stuff. But Comscore had us in the top 10/15 networks of all the cable channels, 200 some channels you get on like. Direct and dish, right? Yeah, yeah. We were actually scoring close to some of the Fox Business shows. We were beating Newsmax. We were claiming my show personally was claiming big time. And then all of a sudden, we're killed because they saw us growing. They saw the audience tuning in to want to hear some truth because they're not like, come on, can you trust MSNBC and CNN used to work there, and to a degree, some of the folks on Fox, a lot of the mainstream media, I think Americans are wising up. You can't trust anymore because everybody's figuring out you have to spew a narrative depending on which network you work for. So it doesn't happen at OAN. Tucker [00:13:20] Well, that is factually true. I can say. Dan Ball [00:13:23] I can tell you. Tucker [00:13:24] Yeah. No, I know that to be true. So what happens then? They just they stop. We're not going to carry your signal into people's homes anymore. Dan Ball [00:13:32] Again, I can't go into particulars. All I can tell you is that Mr. Herring and his sons tried like hell to keep us on those carriers, and we were dropped. And that's as far as I can. Tucker [00:13:42] So what do you do that? Like I get. Dan Ball [00:13:44] Up in arms. Tucker [00:13:45] An anchor on the channel. I've been in this- Dan Ball [00:13:46] Many more lawsuits against myself or the hearings and our wonderful network, and the employees don't deserve that either. So that's why, for the first time in 30 some years, I'm nervous doing this interview. Tucker [00:13:55] No, no no. Dan Ball [00:13:56] I because I don't want to get a company who's struggling to stay afloat because of what the Democrats have been doing because I misspoke. But this story is going to be told. And you have a massive audience and you can help. Tucker [00:14:08] Well, I've I've certainly very often been in the position you are now in. You're working for companies you think's doing a good thing, and they're kind to you and you don't want to inadvertently certainly cause some more problems by talking too much. Yeah. So I'm very, very familiar with that position. Dan Ball [00:14:23] But the story needs to be shared because like you said at the beginning, we're talking about the First Amendment. Tucker [00:14:28] So what happened to you? And the first woman doesn't mean anything if no one can hear you. Right. You may have a right to speak, but if you know, they lock you in a room and no one can hear your words and it's it's a it's immaterial. It's not a real right. What happened to your viewership after? Dan Ball [00:14:44] We had to not rebuild because we still were on, I think, 100 and some small cable affiliates around the country in different states where, you know, you might have a town of 50,000 and their local cable is a co-op they chose to keep, but you. Tucker [00:14:57] Could take it off. All the big ones. Dan Ball [00:14:58] All the big ones. Tucker [00:14:59] All the big ones. So then- Tucker [00:15:02] And just to be clear, without getting into the details, but just so our audience can make their own judgments about what happened and why, these companies are not connected to each other. They're independent companies. Yeah, right. So if they. Dan Ball [00:15:12] They all got the letters, they all received. Tucker [00:15:15] Those for a fact. They received the letters and they all dropped you within a short time. Dan Ball [00:15:18] If you read the letters, it literally says we sent to cable and they called the cable and satellite carriers out. So yes, I would assume it went to every single major cable and satellite carrier from these four Democrat senators and two members of the House, all Democrats. Tucker [00:15:31] So and shortly thereafter, you were dropped by all the big cable. Dan Ball [00:15:35] In the same year? Yes. Tucker [00:15:36] And then so I think a fair without knowing any other information, and maybe you guys committed some heinous crime that I'm not aware of. I haven't heard that, but just on the basis of what you said, which I think is checkable, a fair person would conclude they did that in response. Well, I think I would conclude on the basis of that information. Dan Ball [00:15:54] You're a pretty smart guy, Tucker. Tucker [00:15:56] I don't know about that, but like, I could I can note the obvious. Dan Ball [00:16:01] I think any American out there with common sense can look at the timeline and say two and two is four, because math isn't racist. Tucker [00:16:08] Right now. No, math is not racist. Yeah, maybe the only thing immune from racism. So let's destroy it. Dan Ball [00:16:14] Yeah. Tucker [00:16:15] So where does that leave the company? Dan Ball [00:16:17] So here's what we did. We had to scramble. We had seen what happened to. I mean, it was Parler. Remember? Parler got shut down because. Tucker [00:16:22] Then one. Dan Ball [00:16:23] Third party servers shut them down. We didn't. Tucker [00:16:25] Want to. And not just the servers. Like, I think it if I'm remembering correctly, it was it was everybody. Right. The entire what they call the stack. It was all the service providers between the content creator and the consumer. All I think their lawyers dropped them and it was intense. Dan Ball [00:16:38] Were worried about the same thing, right? Yeah. Just like when Trump started Truth. You've got to go build everything on your own from scratch. If you hire one of these third party vendors, they're going to listen to the powers that be. So we don't want to trust them. So we had to build our own app, build up the servers, everything. And then we launched OAN app. So you can go to our website, you download, it's like 4 or 5 bucks a month and then you get live streaming on demand everything. So we're going streaming like everybody is anyway. Because let's be real, in 20 years, what's local news and cable and satellite going to be? Everything's streaming like yes, it's moving that way. So that took us a while to wrap back. Dan Ball [00:17:10] And a ton of money. But Mr. Herring, who has an amazing story of perseverance and coming from nothing, Louisiana to creating, you know, millions of dollars for himself in multiple industries over the decades. And then getting into TV news about 10, 12 years ago, he's been kicking cash in and saying, we're going to fight this if we have to, all the way to Supreme Court. We're not backing down. We have a right to broadcast, and they cannot shut us up. Are they trying to bankrupt and put us out of business? Or they legitimately have a concern that we're purveyors of disinformation? Because I can name probably about nine of the major stories over the last 3 or 4 years I've covered. And we were right and we were right first, because we had the guts to say it, because we didn't have corporate lackeys telling us we couldn't like the other big networks. Tucker [00:17:52] So, yeah, I mean, I've been accused of being a tool for Putin, of Putin, of Russia, for, you know, which is, I would say, material affected my life. I've never sued anyone over that, you know, and I never will. So I've never sued anybody. I never will see anybody because I don't I hate it, I don't believe in lawsuits, but, but anyway, leaving that aside, it's just interesting that coming out of this is whining, but I can't resist, you know, eight years of, like, nonstop lying by The Daily Beast and Rolling Stone and NBC News and CNN and MSNBC and all the rest about really big things like life and death things, insurrections and potential nuclear war and the. Dan Ball [00:18:26] Russian collusion hoax.Exactly. I mean, if somebody is purveyor of misinformation, Tucker, why aren't those other networks getting letters sent about? Tucker [00:18:33] That is sort of the question. Dan Ball [00:18:34] They're getting kicked off for misinformation. Thank you. That's my first question. If we said something you all said was misinformation, then I can point to, as you just said, probably ten or a dozen major stories that CNN, MSNBC and others have lied or falsely reported about over the last, well, since 2015/16, since Trump came on the scene, are they kicked off careers? Are they being sued? Tucker [00:18:55] Well, our country is. Dan Ball [00:18:56] Conclusion. Tucker [00:18:56] On the verge of collapse. Our country is being invaded and we are literally on the cusp of nuclear war. Well, actually, all because of lies told by NBC news, CNN, I mean told by their masters in Washington, but repeated by them. Dan Ball [00:19:11] And people died because of the Covid lies. I mean, let's all remember again, as I said earlier, you have the winter of death and you had hosts out there like Rachel Maddow saying, if you get the vaccine, you will not spread it. You will not die. Go get it. Remember, all those people and the celebrities coming together rallied around Joe saying, you must take it. And the people that don't are going to kill people. We just told people, it's your body. No one can force you to take it. And by the way, here's the bears reporting website. Have you looked at bears? Because there's. Billions of side effects and thousands of deaths. Those were facts. Yet we would get fact checked. We would get shadow banned for saying factual. Tucker [00:19:48] Stuff you want me about. I always want I don't have any abortion ladies in my life, thank heaven. But, when I see the abortion ladies on TV, I always want to say, whatever happened to my body? My choice, you know? Right. Whatever happened to that? Yeah. Dan Ball [00:20:01] I know, and that's different because actually. Well, it's two lives. Obviously, if you take the shot, you're risking your own life. And if you're for abortion, you're killing a life, of. Tucker [00:20:10] Course, but but just that slow. Dan Ball [00:20:12] You'll bring that. Tucker [00:20:12] Up, too. In my whole life, like, whatever, we made an exception for the VAX because why? But anyway, I want to ask you again with in a little more detail. So all of this is happening and everyone's ignoring it, including me. Dan Ball [00:20:26] I know you were busy. Tucker [00:20:28] I don't know about that. I just, you know, there's a lot going on. I missed it somehow. I should've I. Dan Ball [00:20:31] Wouldn't have allowed you to have me on. Tucker [00:20:32] I don't know about that. I never even really read about it or thought about it. It's just like so much drama going on. Dan Ball [00:20:37] That's true. I like to keep up. Tucker [00:20:38] It was publicly available. This information I know since you texted me and I went back and checked like. An informed person could know. Dan Ball [00:20:45] You can do two minutes of research on, I'm not pitching that other one. And you can find it. Tucker [00:20:50] Exactly. Dan Ball [00:20:51] I'm not gonna say the G word. Tucker [00:20:52] Exactly. Show it to me. It's not even about the vax or how corrupt NBC news is. Irretrievably corrupt. But it's about the First Amendment to the Constitution, which specifically prohibits Congress from doing what Congress did to you. Dan Ball [00:21:06] Correct. Thank you. Tucker [00:21:07] And so my question is, where are the First Amendment watchdog groups and all the media organizations and the white House Correspondents Association and all the people are supposed to be protecting us from to tell. Oh, wait. Dan Ball [00:21:17] White House correspondents. Hold on. Can I button quick? Yeah. You mean the folks that wouldn't give us a seat at the table in the press room? Yeah, look that up. So our Ryan, our white House correspondent, should have gotten a seat there. They pushed back. Your fellow journalists in DC pushed back. Wouldn't let her sit. So for a couple of years, you had to stand in the corner once the Biden regime got in. They kicked us out. By the way, this is factual. You can have some for camera guys in Chanel, our tent that we have on the white House lawn when the Biden regime took over, guess what happened multiple times. Our internet line would be cut. So either that's a journalist or white House staff. So I thought you were. Tucker [00:21:49] Going to give your tent to illegal aliens. Dan Ball [00:21:54] I know they can't. They're not gonna live at the white House. Please. They want you to go to your house if they want. They want to give you 500 bucks in Michigan to put them in your house there, right? Why am I so yeah, that happened that literally multiple occasions. As they would come in, the camera guy would set up, we try to dial in and oh, what's wrong? Grab the line. It's cut or it's broken. Who did that? Was it other people in the press corps? Oh, I didn't like going in. Or was it white House staff? I don't know, had to be one of the two. Who else is on the grounds going to cut our cord? Tucker [00:22:22] It's probably. It really is like getting booted out of a country club you don't want to be a member of, though I know, having spent my life there and a lot of time at the white House, it's like the worst, saddest, emptiest, most insecure people in the world cover that stupid beat and pretend like it's important when of course, it's not at all. You can get it all on C-Span and they're- Dan Ball [00:22:40] In such a bubble. They have no clue what it means to be a regular American who's out there struggling. Tucker [00:22:46] They're also like sad, bitchy little people. Dan Ball [00:22:48] They are so impressed. Tucker [00:22:48] Impressed. Dan Ball [00:22:49] A misery, and that's liberals. Tucker [00:22:51] How is that impressive? Dan Ball [00:22:52] Yeah. Liberals in general, I think are miserable people. And the ones in the press corps are even worse because they're so snotty and arrogant and elitist, and they think they know better then conservative media people or just regular Americans. Tucker [00:23:04] The hell is I can't stand? I'm standing there. All right. Dan Ball [00:23:07] You did it all those years, by the way. Tucker [00:23:08] What did you say? Dan Ball [00:23:09] I don't know how you did it all those years. Tucker [00:23:10] Well, I never covered the white House. I would just show up, you know, occasionally to do various things. But I always hated it in there. Living out of vending machines in a former swimming pool, waiting for some low IQ political operative to feed them lies and pretending they're real. And it's like, that's your life. Really? Can your wife possibly respect you or sleep with you? I don't think so. Like, it's just not possible. It's just not possible. And so I understand their bitterness and rage because it's really about themselves and their own wasted lives. Right? Dan Ball [00:23:36] Unhappy. Tucker [00:23:37] But I do think at some point they have to take a stand on principle, just on behalf of the profession itself in the country and say, no, government is not allowed to shut down news organizations because they don't like what they say. Did anyone stand up for you? Dan Ball [00:23:51] Is there anybody I'm forgetting that actually stood up for us? No, I'm trying to remember. I can't think of. I mean, when I would have guests on from different entities like Gateway Pundit, the Hoffs, they would do articles. They stood up for us. Breitbart did a couple. I think those two, I don't recall. And, you know, what's sad is what. Tucker [00:24:08] Happened in Gateway Pundit, I think I don't think there's any news organization in the world that's being sued by more left wing groups and Gateway Pundit. Dan Ball [00:24:14] Yeah, they might beat us. They might beat us. But yeah, there wasn't a lot, from what I recall. And I'm trying to remember if anybody else did, I mean, I would have guests on my show that were from other entities, and they would say things to support us and then post things. But as far as, like doing full stories or one hour interviews and discuss it now, nobody did because I guess, no, we weren't big enough for something or organization. Tucker [00:24:37] Well, I mean, it doesn't doesn't matter. We spent 70 years hearing about the McCarthy blacklist and the darkest moment in American history, and all those guys went on to win Academy Awards or whatever. They were fine. Not defending the blacklist. I'm not for it, but. But all these, this constellation of First Amendment free speech groups arose in the wake of the Red scare. And their job was to protect the principle of freedom of speech and the First Amendment as written. And none of them defended you? Dan Ball [00:25:04] No. You know, I think that the American people are seeing through the facade of mainstream media, especially just what, two weeks ago with the bloodbath statement of Trump. And thanks to Elon opening up X so people could see it, unlike everything's been stifled and all social media thanks to Zuckerberg and those guys. Right. So I think just that one little, one little tidbit where they saw how the media takes a sound bite at of context, and then the politicians take it and make ads, and you had millions of people on X for days. We can have to go discussing how. And these were lefties, independents and righties. Everybody was discussing it. I think that and the spaces and things on X where he's opened it up to free speech, that is the new town square. And I hope that and places like Oann are going to save us, because I think the people, some are waking up and finally seeing the truth. It took a long damn time. Look at the border situation, right? We've been reporting on the border. I went down there the first week of March after Biden took over. So six, seven weeks, six weeks into his regime. I went to Yuma, Arizona. They were already seeing three times the numbers from Trump in six weeks. And now we've seen 500 times the numbers. But no one in the country really knew about it because the CNN, MSNBC, the big old three, ABC, NBC, CBS, they weren't going down there. They weren't going to Del Rio. They weren't showing you what was happening. We were, again, misinformation, disinformation. And then what, 3 or 4 months ago when the polls came out that the border was tied with the economy, all of a sudden the regime change their narrative, the media starts covering it, and now the American people are waking up. Tucker [00:26:31] But you got to wonder, though, I mean, and you're in a good position to answer this because you've been in this business your whole life. Well, those places do seem like they're in their death throes, like Joe Scarborough. Dan Ball [00:26:42] Like if you look at their numbers. Tucker [00:26:44] Their numbers, that's what I'm saying. So Joe makes whatever 10 million or 12 million or whatever Joe makes. But if Joe Scarborough, like, walked into the NBC news HQ tomorrow, would he ever be able to sign a contract like that, like the business model? No. So the people currently on the air at those channels are really on their last contracts. Because none of this. Dan Ball [00:27:04] I hope so. Tucker [00:27:05] Nobody watches it, right? Dan Ball [00:27:06] Yeah. Well, I'm glad you brought up Scarborough since he's gone so hard against Trump the last couple of weeks. And I love the fact that you just interviewed Cuomo. So bring Cuomo up the other night he had Geraldo on and they were discussing the coverage of the bloodbath comment and other things, and they were talking about how these guys are hypocrites, how Mika and Joe leading up to the 2016 election, had Trump won, like every other morning and they were kissing his ass. And now fast forward a few years and it's he's the devil. He's the you know, the phrase he's a threat to democracy. We're Republic, by the way. Thanks, idiots. But every day threat to democracy. And they call us that threat to democracy. What the hell does that mean? Free speech is a threat to democracy. Tucker [00:27:43] Interesting. If you wake up in a country, all of a sudden you're getting a moral lecture from, of all people, Joe Scarborough. Dan Ball [00:27:50] Or Joy Reid. Tucker [00:27:51] We're all left. Yeah, but especially Joe Scarborough. Yeah. Well, Joe, I was just like an idiot. An angry idiot, but. Dan Ball [00:27:56] And the most racist. Thank you. The most racist host on. It's unbelievable. Tucker [00:28:02] Want a moral lecture from Joe Scarborough is. So it's hallucinogenic. I can hardly even believe this is happening. Do you know what I mean? Dan Ball [00:28:09] Yeah, exactly. Tucker [00:28:10] It's like getting a fitness lecture from an obese person that's like, I don't judge that you're fat. And Joe's case. I don't judge that you're evil. Like, you've got to deal with God on that question. That's not for me to judge, but for you to lecture me about morality. Yes. Dan Ball [00:28:25] There's so many are so many skeletons in those main hosts and talk show host. I don't call them anchors anymore. I love they still call themselves journalists. That's what really pisses me off too. Tucker. When I got this job almost four years ago, I made it apparent to viewers, this is an opinionated, conservative talk show. You're going to hear some facts, you're gonna hear my opinion. But they never do that. The other night when MSNBC was doing their A victory lap and we got rid of Ronna McDaniel. Yeah, you had Joy and Rachel literally saying we journalists stood strong. And I'm so glad that the CEO at NBC changed his mind. I'm like, did you just call yourself journalists? Are you shitting me? Tucker [00:29:02] It's also, that's. Dan Ball [00:29:03] The biggest line of you guys are propagandists. I mean, I don't call myself a journalist any longer, even though I did it for 30 some years because now I throw my opinion in. But I remind viewers of that because a lot of American people are so busy, they're so stressed out with the economy, they're so worried about crime, their kids education, going to a war that they don't have time to pay attention, that everything in primetime is not a newscast, folks. It's people's opinions. Those are talk shows. Tucker [00:29:27] Oh, I agree, but a lot, a talk show host. Yeah, that's what I am. Dan Ball [00:29:30] But these guys lie to American people every day and. Tucker [00:29:33] No one's even listening. Dan Ball [00:29:35] Well, that's true. Their numbers are dwindling. That's the only hope I see. And the next couple generations. Right. The the Z-ers and the millennials are all in line anyway. Nobody's watching traditional media. They're streaming everything. They're getting their news on X, of course, Instagram or TikTok. So yeah, this old school set. In a corporate setting is done. What you're doing is where everything's going. You have a studio. You still. Tucker [00:29:55] It feels that way. I mean, I'm only here by accident because I was totally out of options. I worked for everybody. I kept getting fired. Dan Ball [00:30:01] But you're all about happiness. You aren't. Tucker [00:30:02] You? Oh, 100%. Dan Ball [00:30:04] More leash of the corporate assholes. No, but. Tucker [00:30:06] I'm just saying I'm hardly at the, you know, leading edge of anything. I. I'm usually the last person to see the leading edge. It's already gone. I'm, like, waving at it as it drives by. So I just kind of wound up here. But now that I am here, it's very obvious that all the other I've worked for every network, that all of them, you know, it's just that things are changing really fast. Yeah, it does feel that way. Dan Ball [00:30:29] It does. Tucker [00:30:29] So, just bottom line, first of all, thank you for doing this. Second what? And finally what it like what's going to happen with OAN, do you think? Dan Ball [00:30:36] I think that we're going to win. I think we're going to survive. I think that we're on the right side of history. I think that and I know the family and myself very religious. We're putting it in God's hands. And I also know Mr. H. Mr. herring, the owner, who is one hell of a fighter like me, says we're not backing down, so I think we will prevail. I think we'll get through it. And I think we'll only grow while the old dinosaurs die. That's what I hope happens. I hope that, and I think it will just. Just like you're going to go with this versus just doing the show with Fox. Not that that was bad. You were averaging 4 million viewers. But look at your videos now. Tucker [00:31:10] Yeah. I mean, I just want to say what I think. Dan Ball [00:31:12] They're even better. Tucker [00:31:13] That's it. I just want to say what? I think. I'm on the Jimmy Cliff program. I'd rather be a free man in my grave, you know. Dan Ball [00:31:19] I agree. Tucker [00:31:20] Hey, man. Dan Ball, thank you for for telling us. Dan Ball [00:31:22] No, Tucker. Tucker [00:31:23] And I'm sorry it took me so long. Dan Ball [00:31:24] No, that's okay, man. We appreciate the support and just getting the word out about who I. And oh, man is where we come from. What we're trying to accomplish with speaking truth to power and what's being done to us. Because as you've said throughout this entire interview, it is a direct assault on freedom of speech and freedom of the press, something you and I have dedicated our life. Tucker [00:31:43] Of course, I just I mean, I actually agree with what you're saying, but even if I disagreed with what you're saying, I'd be every bit as outraged. We just interviewed a black nationalist. Communist, who's facing life in prison for saying things the Biden administration didn't like. And I, I brought the same level of outrage to that because, like, you can't tell people what they can say that's not allowed because you're not God and they're not slaves. Simple. Dan Ball [00:32:08] That's what we were taught growing up here. Right? Let's see if we can continue that. Thank you Tucker. Tucker [00:32:26] Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. The internet is crowded with interesting things that don't really matter. 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"The Unprotected Class, How anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart" There is systemic racism in the United States, against whites. Everyone knows it. Nobody says it. How come? Published Apr 24, 2024 link to original here >>> https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-jeremy-carl-racism/ transcript Tucker [00:00:00] If somehow you were able to be airlifted directly or teleported directly from 1994 to 2024, you'd notice an awful lot of changes. Primary among them would be the internet. But the biggest change you'd probably notice about our public conversation is how white people were so openly attacked and denigrated. Yes, a racial group. So in 1994, you were about 30 years past the civil rights movement. And in 1994, the operating assumption of virtually everyone in the United States was the main lesson of the civil rights movement. Of the letter from the Birmingham Jail on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, and all the different sacred moments that we grew up hearing about. The main lesson of those moments was it is immoral, in fact, unacceptable to attack people on the basis of their race. So then, if you fast forward 30 years to find the same country engaged in a public hate frenzy against people because of their race, you would find that bewildering. How did this happen? Of course, there would be the discrimination, the institutional racism of hurting people on the basis of their race in hiring, in admissions to schools, in federal contracting, in promotions. There would be all of that, but there would also be the public manifestation of it, of saying, oh, well, we just don't like you. You're not as good. You are morally defective because of your skin color. You say this about white people, people who founded the United States. You'd be shocked by that. And then to turn on the TV and see the president of the United States do the very same thing. You'd think maybe you'd been drinking ayahuasca. You'd see Joe Biden say things like this: Biden Soundbite [00:01:38] History has thrust one more urgent task on us. Will we be the generation that finally wipes out the stain of racism from our national character? We've all seen the injustice on the neck of Black Americans. Racism, nativism, fear, demonization have long torn us apart. But a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child. When you're walking down the street, don't have a hoodie on when you go across the street. Domestic terrorism from white supremacists is the most lethal terrorist threat in the homeland. News Soundbite [00:02:19] If I were your daughter, what advice would you give me the next time I am stopped by the police? Biden Soundbite [00:02:26] If you're my daughter, you'd be a Caucasian girl and you wouldn't be pulled over. Tucker [00:02:31] White supremacy is the most lethal threat to the United States. White people are the threat. They are evil and they are dangerous. That's not just a senile President making that one statement. That is the people in charge of the country reinforcing that statement and that theme every single day of the year, not just by their words, but with their deeds. What is this? Why does no one mention it's happening? Why does anyone who does mention it's happening get attacked as a white supremacist for complaining about racism? And maybe more important, where does it go? Is there any other ending to the story but hurting people physically, lots of people? Could we have a resolution that doesn't look like Rwanda? Jeremy Carl is an author who's thought a lot about this. He's got a brand new book called The Unprotected Class, How anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. He joins us now. Jeremy, thanks so much for coming on. It may be a an advantage or maybe disadvantage of being a little bit older that it's this is like the one thing you never thought or I never thought you would see in America, which is our leaders openly attacking people on the basis of their race. Just 60 years after the civil rights movement that supposedly taught us the opposite lesson in the Civil Rights Act. So how did this happen, do you think? Jeremy Carl [00:03:43] Well, it's an interesting question, right. And I think you just hit on a key point, which is 60 years. We are as far now from the Civil Rights Act as they were basically from the Wright brothers. So there's been a lot of time that's kind of, a lot of water under the bridge since that time. And a lot of things have happened. And I think it was begun with very sincere intentions, but I think rather quickly, certainly, you know, 10, 20, 30 years down the line, it got really hijacked to the point that we went from trying to treat people equally to what has eventually amounted to reverse racism. Tucker [00:04:19] Right? Or just I guess I would just call it racism, because it seems like the standard would remain the same. No matter the race of the person being discriminated against. You can't attack people. You can't punish people for the color of their skin for how they were born. So like that seems like a pretty easy principle to uphold is pretty straightforward. Jeremy Carl [00:04:38] Well, I would agree with you, Tucker, but it's, you know, nonetheless, we're really seeing throughout and this is what I really wrote the book about throughout many different areas of endeavor, and whether that be when we're looking at how, crime gets talked about to what's going on in Hollywood, to the educational system and monuments coming down and everything you could imagine, kind of the white person is kind of the great enemy. It's the, the kind of, the evil guy in 1984, the kind of two minutes of hate we have to have against him. The Emanuel Goldstein figure, kind of is the white person in particularly the Democratic Party discourse today. Tucker [00:05:20] What's interesting, though, is it typically when you see these moments of scapegoating, which are clearly, you know, kind of inherent to people, I mean, they pop up in every society at every time through history, like there's something in people that wants to separate a small group and like, blame all its problems in that group. But it's usually it's the minority. Of course, you know, the persecuted minority, whites are still, for at least as of today, probably change soon, of course, but they are still the majority in the country. So like, have you ever seen anything like that happen? Jeremy Carl [00:05:48] You know, I haven't Tucker. It's it's kind of amazing to watch because this is whites are still a 58% majority. It's no longer a majority of the under 18, but of adults it's still a solid majority. It's a super majority of our voters still in every presidential election, although just barely in the last presidential election. And yet they've become this figure of hate. And it's really been kind of fascinating and disturbing to watch and to kind of think about why that happened. And one of the things I suggest in my book is that really ultimately, this is a legitimizing ideology for ultimately resource transfer and resource confiscation. And that takes, the form of some of this reparations conversation or land back or some of these other things, and they sort of start out on the extreme left and everybody goes, oh, well, that's silly. That's never going to happen. And then all of a sudden, you know, it is happening and you're a racist if you think it's a bad idea. Tucker [00:06:44] Yeah. I mean, of course it's happened and it's still happening in other countries. You know, Rhodesia became Zimbabwe and the whites were killed and their land was taken and their money stolen. And it's happening in South Africa right now. Of course, we're not supposed to look at it, but it is happening, actually. I wonder why people are, why the majority is putting up with it? Jeremy Carl [00:07:04] Well, that's a good question, Tucker and I, I can't even fully I don't have the perfect answer for that myself. And ultimately, I one of the main reasons I wrote this book is because I don't think the majority, I don't think anybody should be putting up with it, regardless of race. I mean, we shouldn't have, we shouldn't be putting up with racial discrimination in our society in 2024. But I think, you know, kind of white people, they're almost it's like a Stockholm syndrome, almost where they're they're like in a hostage mode in terms of some of the ways that they're thinking where they they sort of are in love with their captors. And they're not able to kind of accept what's going on, and particularly on the left, it's this sort of notion that, because we, of course, like every nation, have had an imperfect past, that white people have some hereditary blood guilt. And I think the balance of American history just shows that that's a really myopic and childish way to look at our history in our country. Tucker [00:07:59] Well, it's demonstrably absurd if America is so racist, if systemic racism is such a barrier, then why are nonwhite people moving here by the millions. So obviously that's silly, but it's a little weird to say that, you know, you hate whites, but you need to live in a country founded by whites who systems are Anglo systems like that. I mean, maybe I'm being too logical here, but it doesn't make any sense. Jeremy Carl [00:08:22] No, it doesn't. And I mean it sort of. It points to some of the absurdity here. And you also touched that. Of course, people from all sorts of different backgrounds are clamoring at the door. We're right now dealing with this, of course, with illegal immigration. And even if you look at some of these groups and again, something I discuss in the book, there are all sorts of nonwhite ethnicities in this country among immigrants and among citizens, in which, particularly among Asian American groups, but not exclusively. I mean, if you were to even look at Nigerian Americans, or particularly Igbo Americans, for example, they would have an average, higher, income than the average white American. And so this kind of notion that whites are sort of on the top is really a selective editing of any story, no matter how true that belies that or any statistics that belie that. It's one of the reasons you actually see Asian Americans frequently eliminated from these comparison sets when they're talked about, because it doesn't tell the story that, the left wants to tell. Tucker [00:09:21] Well, it's just a lie. I mean, the Labor Department collects these stats and you could say, well, maybe they're fake stats. Tell me how they're fake, but they've been, this trend has been going on a long time. I don't, I don't know if native born whites are in the top ten for income, actually, groups, but they're not near the top of the top ten, that's for sure. I've seen the numbers. I just saw them. So that's, so you're lying if you say that. So there's that. But again, I want to get back to the core question, which is why would anybody put up with this, this were happening to people from Madagascar? I would be as against as I am now. But it's particularly weird that the people whose ancestors founded the country are putting up with it. I hear all the time young people say, well, like, I can't really get a job. I have no expectation working in a big company because I'm a white male. It's like, why would you accept that? Like if you're 22, what did you do to deserve that? And what does it say about your country that it's doing it to you? Like why do people put up with that for a second? Jeremy Carl [00:10:13] I agree, Tucker, I mean, and I wrote this book because I didn't understand that either. And what I the only thing I can come up with, they're not the only thing, but the leading kind of hypothesis I can have is that a lot of people have kind of been so brainwashed by a lot of the propaganda from the left, that they're just simply not aware of some of the realities here. And so what I've tried to do in the book is just to detail the enormous number of ways throughout many, many different areas of endeavor right now where whites are being discriminated against and to say, hey guys, we shouldn't be putting up with this. Why are we putting up with this? We certainly wouldn't put up with it if any other group were being discriminated against in this way. So why do we not have the self-respect to kind of, stand up for ourselves? Tucker [00:11:00] Well, I, I couldn't agree more. And it's not that we wouldn't be putting up with it if any other group was being discriminated. It's just that other group wouldn't be putting up with it. And you see that, and there are groups who just won't put up with it. And I say that with admiration because why would anyone put up with racism, especially since anti-racism being against racism is our state religion. So I mean, how paradoxical that in a country where the one thing you can't be is racist, that anti-white racism is enshrined in law, custom and culture and no one mentions it? Jeremy Carl [00:11:34] I agree, it's mysterious. And I think one of the encouraging things is when I started to write this book a couple of years ago, and when I started even more thinking about writing this book, a few years before that, a lot of this stuff felt very taboo to even mention, even though it's obviously, as you just noted, it's it's obviously self-evidently true. And therefore it shouldn't be taboo at all. And I think one of the encouraging things is that we're beginning to see people and, and you've really been a stalwart on this, but there have been there been other folks in the media environment, folks like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk. And there have been politicians, guys like J.D. Vance who are kind of now speaking up, and they aren't just saying like, hey, it's fine. You know, you can just go discriminated against white people and that's fine. We're not going to say anything or we're going to be too cowed. We're going to be too intimidated. I've really seen an improvement in the dialog just in the time even I've been writing this book. But at the same time, there's still a long way to go before we really kind of reach a point where we can have a candid conversation about this stuff that is actually based on reality, rather than a left wing fantasy. Tucker [00:12:42] I guess what what bothers me a little bit is that, you know, the justification for hurting whites has always been effectively as a species of the reparations argument. Like, you know, whites have hurt other people, therefore it's their turn in the barrel or something like that. You need to make up for something that your ancestors did, I guess, but that, I guess, kind of works sort of. Maybe if you're talking about the majority. But the second whites are no longer in the majority, and that's going to happen very, very soon, maybe already has happened. We don't know because we don't know the real population numbers because of illegal immigration. But we're right on the edge of whites not being the majority. Like at that point do whites get to say, well, now I want you know, some advantage in college admissions. Now, I want my kids to go to Harvard for free. And I want government contracts in a preferential way. Like what happens then? Or does the anti-white hate just get louder? Jeremy Carl [00:13:39] Well, that's the concern. And I think one of the things again, I talk about in the book, is we are essentially moving, as you just alluded to, to what is effectively a post white America. Now, how quickly we get that depends on whether Joe Biden ever decides that he's going to shut the border, and whether the Republicans are ever actually going to do anything if he continues to refuse to. But we're headed in that direction. And so then the question becomes, when you look at the history of multi-ethnic countries where you have unequal resource distribution and whatever else, that is a recipe historically, not in every case, but in many, many cases for violence. And so that should be of great concern to us. Yeah. And again, I'm not sort of I didn't write this book with the notion that, hey, you know, we just are writing this for white people, and white people should be the only one caring about it. Every American who is interested in living in what is going to be a multi-ethnic country that, gives hopefully equal rights to everybody should be concerned about this issue, because if we don't treat a very large group fairly, then there are going to be some people are just saying, you know, I'm not going to put up with that and who knows where that leads, but not anywhere good, I wouldn't think. Tucker [00:14:54] Well, and you already see it at the margins. You know, you don't want people to be radicalized. You want people to have to be radicalized along racial lines because they're irresolvable opinions change, skin color doesn't. So if we have any kind of race conflict, it it can it can go on for many generations and has, of course. But I think about South Africa, which in 1994, when it was handed voluntarily to the ANC, had nuclear weapons. And now parts of the country don't have consistent electricity. So the ANC is totally destroyed the country, it's a black party, and yet they're still blaming whites, the small minority of South Africans who are whites for all the problems. And so you're thinking, well, if that's the future here. Like, that's very grim, I think. Jeremy Carl [00:15:41] Oh, absolutely. And I'm not, I'm not. So I don't think fortunately, things are so dire here that we're likely to wind up in a South African situation where they can't even keep the power on. But I do worry that we may be Brazilianizing our society, where you essentially have, a few people kind of at the very top, living with guards, kind of under a lot of security. And things are maybe kind of good for them. And everybody else is sort of, you know, in a much worse sort of situation. And you kind of have, certain types of, of very polarizing racial politics beginning even to emerge, in Brazil as well. So I think, you know, I'm not worried that we're going to turn into South Africa tomorrow because of that. But given America and given our history and traditions and and the great beacon of freedom and opportunity that we've been for everybody, to even take a step in that direction is just something that we should do everything that we can to hopefully avoid. Tucker [00:16:46] Yeah. I mean, I should say about Brazil, you know, Brazil's had a pretty pyramid shaped economic system for a long time, and I don't think that's a good thing. You want a middle class, but Brazil has not had Brazil is a multiracial society like way more than the United States. A lot of people from different ethnic groups, okay, who intermarry and always have for hundreds of years, they haven't had until pretty recently, like the last ten years, hard core American style race politics. These have been economic arguments, which I think are fine to have because your economic system can be changed with one piece of legislation. Your race can never be changed. So I, I don't understand the difference ideologically between just ideologically, leaving aside resources and history and all this stuff. But like the ideas of like the Barack Obama Democratic Party seemed identical to the ideas of the ANC or Malema in South Africa, I don't what, is there a difference that you see? Jeremy Carl [00:17:42] Well, I don't think there is. I mean, okay, I mean, we're not yet at the kind of "Kill the Boer" chant level of, of overt racism in, in South Africa that they have, although that we're kind of heading maybe in that direction. Tucker [00:17:54] There was a book last year in Amazon, it was a bestseller. It was like eliminate whites. I mean, that was the name of the book written by some Indian guy. What? Jeremy Carl [00:18:03] It's it's yeah, it's crazy. And, I think it's certainly there's a lot of concern that we should have about the situation that we're in right now. But I'm not necessarily of the view that that it's going to be quite as bleak as it currently is in South Africa. But what I do see is that, some of this rhetoric is just incredibly toxic from the Democrats that, the direction that they would like to go is really of a sort of racial caste system, and that what we, what we're going to kind of do as a result of that is going to be something that would be very, very bleak for, for every American. But but certainly for white Americans most of all. And again, we've got to start calling them out on this, because until, you know, if we were letting them get away with these sorts of lies of, kind of police racially targeting African Americans and, and kind of, you know, America's history is nothing but violence and racism. Then, it's going to be very, very bleak in terms of what things are going to look like in the future of this country. Tucker [00:19:11] And my last question, since I know you've thought about this more deeply than anyone, probably. Do you see this accelerating or do you foresee I'm saying prayers for this, a future where we're not like talking about race that much, because it's not that interesting. And we're talking about the things that unite us in the ways to make the country better. Like what it does seem like this election year may be a potentially a turning point or an acceleration. Which do you think? Jeremy Carl [00:19:38] Well, I think that the left is definitely accelerating. I mean, as it becomes less and less true to speak of any sort of white systemic racism, the left is just amping up their, their conversation, about that, you know, their rhetoric around that. At the same time, I think there is more resistance that I just touched on. And you and others have really been in some ways at the forefront of that, which I'm very thankful for. But, I kind of feel like the best case that's realistic is that to use a kind of Cold War analogy, we move to what's called a mutually assured destruction. And that keeps us safe. So with the left has to understand, is when they use this type of racial rhetoric that is scapegoating whites, that is blaming everything on whites. That is saying white people are kind of the cause of all problems or that are going on in this country that, they need to understand that there's going to be a very painful and direct political blowback to them for doing that. And, that requires us to organize on our side to say, to actually arrange that type of blowback, to make them understand there are cost to that type of racist rhetoric that they're using. And then if that happens, they may say, well, okay, you know what? Maybe it's best that we kind of cool this off, that we don't use this type of rhetoric, that really what we want to do is, is sort of take race out of the public dialog. In this way, we're not going to scapegoat whites anymore because we understand that that, creates a politically painful scenario for us as well. But to create that sort of thing, which I think would ultimately lead to racial peace, and it would allow us to talk about these things that, as you know, would be much, more important and things that we should all be caring about far beyond race. We need to be a credible, credible deterrent to them. We need to show that we're not going to put up with, what, the sort of behavior that they've been engaging in. That's why I wrote my book, The Unprotected Class. And I sort of suggest in the book that, you know, ways that we can go to get there. Tucker [00:21:46] Man, I, I couldn't agree more. I remember watching the Republican still, the Republican governor of New Hampshire, Chris Sununu. Really, what kind of an awful person, but say that the problem with New Hampshire was there too many whites in it? I remember thinking, is anyone else hearing this? You're attacking people who live there, whose ancestors have been there for 300 years to attack them because their skin color really, and he gets reelected by Republicans. And so I hope your book increases the sanctions on people who use racist ideas for political gain, because I think it's wrong. Jeremy Carl [00:22:17] Well, I agree, and I appreciate having the opportunity to go on and talk about it with you and appreciate all the work that you've done to really highlight this issue over the years. Tucker [00:22:26] Yeah, I mean, I'm fine, by the way. You know what I mean? It's the principle that drives me crazy. Jeremy Carl [00:22:33] No, but I think I'm great. I'm I'm glad, Tucker, that you mentioned that because, there's, you know, one of the rhetoric, one of the things that they used to kind of try to shut us up is to say, oh, you know, it's it's just whining. It's it's your being. You must be a loser. You must have a terrible life if you're worrying about that. No, I actually have a fantastic life. Personally, I have a loving family. I'm really happy, you know, five kids. But I'm looking at the future of our country. Yeah, and I'm concerned about the really concerned about the direction. And I'm concerned about my future for my kids. And not just for my kids, but for other kids of all different races in the U.S.. I want them to grow up in a country of opportunity and a land of opportunity for everybody, which was the country that I really grew up in. But I think in many ways this is becoming less true for everybody. Now, if you don't kind of check the right demographic boxes. And so that's why I wrote the book and that's why I'm speaking out. Tucker [00:23:24] Amen. You have your own water fountains. You got, you got some balcony seats in the movie theaters. Shut up and stop complaining you whiner. It's like what? It offends me as a Christian, I'll say that. Anyway, thank you so much, Jeremy. Good to see you. Jeremy Carl [00:23:39] Thank you so much, Tucker, for having me on.

About one in five mail-in ballots in the last election was fraudulent, handing Biden the presidency. We know this because the people who committed the fraud have admitted it in a new poll. Published Apr 26, 2024 link to original video here >>> https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-election-fraud-haskins/ READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] It's now apparently a criminal offense, a felony in this country, to suggest the 2020 presidential campaign was not on the level. That crime appears to form the basis of one of Donald Trump's pending indictments. He's an election denier. But actually it's worth denying the legitimacy of that election because it was not fair. Critical information was withheld from voters through censorship and yes, by the government. That is a fact. It's also a fact that Mark Zuckerberg spent $400 million to control voting in various places around the country and affect the outcome. That's not legitimate. It was also conducted in many places through electronic voting machines, and no country should ever use electronic voting machines because fundamentally they cannot be trusted. Why would you trust it? But then there's the question of outright cheating. Voter fraud. Was there voter fraud? Well, we know there was some. But was it widespread? That is a hard allegation to prove, though of course, many people believe there was widespread fraud. Well, now it turns out we know for a fact that there was. And in fact, it can be proven with a poll. Just ask people, did you personally commit voter fraud? Well, that has just been done. And the answer is a huge percentage of people asked in the poll admitted, yes, I committed voter fraud. It's remarkable. Justin Haskins is a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute. He joins us now with details. Justin, thanks so much for coming on. If you could just start by giving us the results, the shocking results of this poll, and we'll go from there. Justin Haskins [00:01:35] Sure. So it was pretty straightforward. We asked people, a series of questions. The first of which is or one of the first questions was, did you vote in, the 2020 election? And did you vote with an absentee ballot? And if they answered yes to both of those questions, then we asked a bunch of questions related to voter fraud. We didn't tell them that they were that we were asking, did you commit voter fraud? We just asked them about various behavior. So, for example, we asked, people, did you vote in a state where you're no longer a legal resident? That's a pretty straightforward question. If you're not a permanent resident of a state, you can't vote there. 17% of people, nearly 1 in 5 said yes, they did do that. We asked people, did you fill out a ballot for someone else on their behalf? That's also illegal. You're not allowed to fill out someone else's ballot. 21% of people said yes to that question. We asked if people forged the signature of a friend or family member on their behalf, with or without their permission. We actually put that in the poll question, and 17% of people said yes to that. So all told, it's at least and I say at least 1 in 5 Mail-In ballots involved some kind of fraudulent activity. But we didn't just stop there. We also asked everyone whether they voted via mail in ballot or not. So in-person voting as well. Do you know anyone who personally in your personal life, a friend, a family member, acquaintance? Someone from work? Has anyone ever admitted to you that they did one of these kinds of forms of voter fraud? And 10% and 11%. We asked two different questions on that said yes. People admitted to me that they committed voter fraud. And so when you take 1 in 5, if we just take the 1 in 5 Mail-In ballots could be related to fraud, and you apply that to the numbers of the 2020 election, which included more mail in voting than at any point in the history of the United States of America. What you end up with is potentially 13 million fraudulent mail in ballots. And, to put that in perspective, Donald Trump lost the election in the popular vote by about 7 million ballots. So this is a massive, massive story. If it if this poll is reflective of reality, it is proof that the 2020 election results can't be trusted. Tucker [00:03:57] I mean, my head is spinning. So and I'm assuming I don't know if you asked, but I think it would be fair to assume that most of these people who answered in the affirmative are Democrats. Justin Haskins [00:04:10] Well, it would be fair to assume that I think based on certain, things that we've learned in the past. But actually, what we found was that the voter fraud was, about equal between self-identified Republicans and Democrats. However, and this is really important to keep in mind, we don't have enough data to statistically, determine that that's an a really solid, accurate result because you're now digging really deep into the polling data and the sample size is getting smaller and smaller. But let's say that's true. And it was equal, let's say Democrats and Republicans committed fraud at equal rates. Actually, that's not the most important consideration because Joe Biden depended extremely heavily on Mail-In ballots, even if the fraud were equal between Republicans and Democrats. It would hurt Joe Biden. It would not hurt Donald Trump in terms of his ability to win elections. So, assuming the fraud was equal between Republicans and Democrats, if you just take the poll and you apply it to the election data that we have about the 2020 election, Donald Trump would win in all six of the swing states that he lost to Joe Biden in 2020, which means the wrong person is in the white House right now if this poll is accurate. Tucker [00:05:27] Pardon my bad memory, but how dependent was Joe Biden on Mail-In ballots? Justin Haskins [00:05:32] Well, it varied from state to state, but generally speaking, he, had twice as many Mail-In ballots vote for him than than Donald Trump did. And in some states, like say, Pennsylvania, for example, the ratio was something like 70% to 20 something percent in favor of Joe Biden. So without those ballots, Joe Biden would not win that. Tucker [00:05:55] I mean, that right there without your poll, which I think is a conversation changer. Forever, I hope. You have to ask, why would Joe Biden have a natural advantage in Mail-In ballots? I mean, honestly, like, what is that if fraud is playing no part here. Justin Haskins [00:06:12] Yeah, I. Tucker [00:06:13] I mean, does anything else explain that? Justin Haskins [00:06:15] It makes absolutely no sense. No, no, I mean, it doesn't make any sense, especially in a state where the election is split pretty close to 50/50. You might see slight variations in voting behavior based on party affiliation in the past. That's something that we've seen, but we've never seen anything like a 70/30 split, 75/25 split. You just don't see that. Tucker [00:06:39] Well, especially since Republicans are statistically more likely to have jobs and less free time than Democrats. I mean, much less in far higher percentage of Democrats than Republicans are not working and taking state aid, for example. So and presumably the idea behind mail in ballots is people are just like too busy. I'm working at my job. I don't have time to go to the polling place or whatever. Right. I mean, I don't see any other logical explanation other than theft. How how is this age? Justin Haskins [00:07:07] Age and disability is also a big part of it. Tucker [00:07:10] So how would I mean, and. Justin Haskins [00:07:12] Republicans are more likely to be older. Tucker [00:07:14] This seems like a huge deal. So I mean, what's the response been? Justin Haskins [00:07:21] Well, from from the right, from conservatives, the response at least most conservatives, the response has been, I mean, this is a game changer. This is one of the biggest stories of of the year, for sure. Donald Trump himself has said it's the biggest story of the year. It's one of the biggest polls in the last 20 years, he said. And I think that that's exactly right. We should be asking questions. We should be launching investigations. The sad thing about all of this is that the mainstream press doesn't care. They don't even care enough to talk about it, to refute it. They don't care because they got the result that they wanted, which was Joe Biden in the white House. And anyone who dared to ask questions about that has been labeled a conspiracy theorist, an insurrectionist, a person who doesn't deserve to have a platform of any kind. And you can't have a free society like that. And now we're seeing, as we've seen with so many other stories like Covid, the origins of Covid, for example, or whether lockdowns were a good idea, people initially who questioned the validity of the election were targeted, and their lives in some cases were destroyed, the careers were destroyed, they were attacked. And now we're finding out that all you had to do was just ask people. You just had to do the very basics of journalism, which is to ask questions and seek the truth. Just ask people, hey, did you do this thing? Did you did you do this thing you weren't supposed to do? Did you vote in a state where you're no longer a permanent resident? I mean, did you fill someone else's ballot out for them? You're not supposed to do that. Did you do that? No one in the media establishment, on the left, especially, but in much of the on the right as well, didn't even bother to ask the question. We just assumed that, no, that couldn't possibly have happened, even though obviously the opportunity for fraud was there. And so I think the bigger story here really, in many ways, is it's not that that Joe Biden is president, when Donald Trump should probably be president. That's a massive story. But the biggest story is, can we trust the media at all to tell us the truth, or to even bother to ask questions when an important story like this comes up? And I think the answer is obviously, as you know, and as many of your viewers now know, we can't. And how can you have a free society like that? Tucker [00:09:38] Well, it's of course not a free society anymore. So the New York Times never wrote about this? Justin Haskins [00:09:44] No. The New York Times, the only major left wing media outlet. And I say left wing, meaning establishment media outlet that covered it was the Washington Post which wrote, an article, very quickly without taking it very seriously, saying essentially, hey, you can't trust anything that these crazy people at The Heartland Institute do or Rasmussen Reports, these people are far right wing extremists and election deniers, etc., and so don't listen to them. And they were the only ones, not literally nobody else, as far as I'm aware, on the left has talked about this. Tucker [00:10:17] It's just, it's really. Well, I continue to think it's one of the most amazing things I've ever heard. They admitted it. No one had ever asked them until you did. Justin Haskins of Heartland Institute, thank you for joining us. Justin Haskins [00:10:29] Thanks, Tucker.

Pagan America The Decline of Christianity and the Dark Age to Come is John Daniel Davidson new book. The defining features of a pagan society are slavery and human sacrifice, so it shouldn’t surprise us to see their resurgence in a post-Christian America. link to original here >>> https://tuckercarlson.com/uncensored-john-daniel-davidson/ READ THE TRANSCRIPT Tucker [00:00:00] One thing we know about human civilizations is they're inherently religious, even, or maybe especially the ones that claim to be secular. Everybody worships something. So as the United States becomes progressively a now aggressively less Christian, that doesn't mean that religion has disappeared. Easter was replaced just the other day by the Biden administration with the worship of transexual ism Trans Visibility Day. So it's a religion. It's just different. And in this case, it happens to be a pagan religion. And that's the direction the United States is speeding right now toward paganism. The question is, what does that mean? And does it make anybody happier? Very few people have thought about this in any systematic detail. John Daniel Davidson of The Federalist is one who has, in fact, he's written a new book on it called Pagan America The Decline of Christianity and the Dark Age to Come, and we are happy to have him join us now. John, thanks very much for coming on. So pagan America does a bunch of questions, but does the decline of Christianity, which is demonstrable and obvious and intentional? Does that inevitably mean paganism? John Daniel Davidson [00:01:08] In a word, yes. Because in the end, there is only one alternative to Christianity, and that is paganism. And and we should be clear about our terms. Right? When we say paganism, I don't mean that where there's going to be a sudden resurgence of worship of Zeus or Odin. You know, and, an explosion of witchcraft, although that is happening as well. Yes. What I mean is a return of the pagan ethos and the pagan ethos, is and always has been a rejection of transcendent or objective truth. Right. Pagans were free to devise and assign divine status to the here and now, to things, to natural phenomena, even to people. And we are returning to that as the world becomes re enchanted from its, sort of secular hiatus that we that we've been on for the past century or so. And what that means in America, of course, is a radical moral subjectivity that we see in the trans movement that we see in Black Lives Matter and critical race theory that we see all across our society asserting itself now that rejects the what are fundamentally Christian claims about the human person, our relationship to one another, and our relationship to God. Tucker [00:02:25] So it seems like one of the ways, maybe the main way that Christianity is different from all other religions in a practical sense, is that it rejects human sacrifice, human sacrifice being a constant throughout all recorded history in every non-Christian culture, human sacrifices at the center. So as Christianity recedes, should it surprise us that abortion, euthanasia, killing, war, human sacrifice has come to the center of our culture? John Daniel Davidson [00:02:53] Not at all. In fact, I deal with this at length, specifically with abortion and euthanasia as the most obvious manifestations of the return of human sacrifice in the new pagan cults. And it's interesting when you look at the justification for something like abortion, you know, back after Roe v Wade and even into the 1980s, the justification was, this isn't a human being. This is just a clump of cells. You're not taking a human life, and, these fetuses aren't viable. And as medical technology progressed in the 80s and 90s and over the past 25 years, you see the justification change. Advances in medical technology made the original justification, make no sense. It could not be maintained that this was just a clump of cells. We all knew, and we all know undoubtedly now, beyond any doubt, objectively, an unborn human being is a human being. Right. And and so the justification has changed from it's a clump of cells to safe, legal and rare to shout your abortion. And so now you have a positive defense of abortion as a, as a good, in fact, as a moral good that we should brag about and we should champion. And that is not a Christian value. That is a pagan value. And it's reasserting itself now in a modern context. Tucker [00:04:17] Well, I have noticed this. I haven't thought it through to the impressive degree that you have, but I notice that the justification for abortion went from essentially rational rates of if the fetus is not a human being, that's no different from an appendectomy, and I don't agree with that, but that is a rational defense of abortion. It's not a big deal because the question of taking life doesn't enter into it. But once you give that up, then what exactly is what is the justification? Is there justification publicly declared justification for taking another human life? John Daniel Davidson [00:04:48] Well, there is now, and it's very pagan indeed. The justification now is that is the will of the mother that determines the humanity of the child. So we have abortion laws in this country where a child of the same gestation, two children of the same gestational age in two different states, one, has to be saved if born prematurely. All the medical technology, all the medical expertise that can be brought to bear to save that child's life, must be brought to bear. Same gestational age child born in another state can be killed with impunity. The only thing that determines the humanity of this person is the desire of the mother to have the child or not have the child. And that is also quintessentially pagan. Because in a pagan society, what determines. Right, what is morally correct is based on the is based on a power dynamic. Those who have power do what they want to those who have no power. And that is their right. That is their their their God given right to enslave or kill or rape or abuse anyone who they have power over. And that's the dynamic we see returning now. It may start with a rational or secular justification, as we saw with abortion, but as we're seeing now in places like Canada with euthanasia, it quickly moves. Into a power dynamic where people who are inconvenient are simply being killed. And there's very little justification on a moral, on a Christian moral basis for it. Instead, there's there's a pagan moral justification, which is all about power and force and will. Tucker [00:06:20] And there's a delight there. I mean, you watch the Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen, who I consider a criminal based on crimes, is she is committed and never been punished for. But whatever you think of Janet Yellen, her job has nothing to do with abortion. She's the Treasury secretary and she comes out sort of in. It's almost like this non-sequiturs like, why are you talking about abortion? And tells us that it's just a good thing. It's just a good thing. And if you want to help this country, you'll have more abortions. And she's thrilled to do it. So I look at that and I'm like, there's a supernatural component here. There's got to be because there's no rational justification for it. John Daniel Davidson [00:06:52] Yeah, exactly. There's no rational justification to allow healthy young people who are suffering from depression, or maybe substance abuse, addiction to, to kill themselves, but to have physician assisted suicide rate. And yet that's what's happening in Canada right now. And they went down the slippery slope. It only took them a few years to go from only people with terminal illnesses to, anyone who's depressed and lonely, and maybe, maybe also people who are costing the national health system a lot of money. Maybe those people do. We can get rid of them. And there's actually, you know, some government studies in Canada have actually calculated how much the National Health Service will save by expanding their euthanasia program. This is really dark stuff, and we have to understand it for what it is. It's the replacing of Christian morality with pagan morality and the transformation of, of a republic of self-governing citizens into what essentially is a slave empire, where those with power, the ruling class, rules over an underclass that is subject to, to to that power. And that's a very different dynamic. It means a total transformation of American society. And I don't think that many people have really started to wrap their heads around the implications of that for all of us. Tucker [00:08:08] Well, in in Canada, I mean, you have the state murdering its own native population, overwhelmingly the Christian population of Canada, people whose ancestors were Christian churchgoers and then replacing them with people, you know, who are not Christians from other countries. So it's it's hard not to see that as as part of it. I mean, that's just a fact. I mean, I guess you could interpret it in a different way, but it's it's the Christian Canadians who are getting killed by the state. I think that's just as true. John Daniel Davidson [00:08:34] I mean, it's also, you know, we saw with this, this hoax about the mass graves at the indigenous schools as well, that unleashed, a flurry of violence against Catholic churches in Canada. Dozens of churches were burned down, vandalized, destroyed. And the prime minister, encouraged it. He cheered it on. Yeah, it was the same thing with the Black Lives Matter protesters here in the summer of 2020. The regime did nothing. They encouraged it. They they wanted it to happen. They were willing to countenance violence in the streets. And the use, again, the use of raw force to advance their agenda and cement their rule, and then and then unequally apply the force of the state against Christians, against, pro-life protesters, against people who were in the vicinity of the Capitol on January 6th. This is a pattern that we're going to see repeated more and more often as we get away from this idea, of traditional Christian morality, that is to say, individual rights, rule of law, consent of the governed. These aren't things that just exist in like a secular liberal utopia. They depend on an actual Christian society to sustain them. And when Christianity, you know, declines or becomes we enter into a post-Christian era, those things are going to go away. Like they can't they can't sustain themselves on their own. And I don't think that that we appreciate just how much we rely on our Christian inheritance for, like, our specifically American way of life. Tucker [00:10:07] So I think that's really insightful what you just said, but it's also the opposite of what we were promised. So what we were promised, as always, was liberation from the strictures of this ancient religion that kept people from dancing and playing cards and having premarital sex and like any kind of fun at all. Right. It was to fit the Footloose model and but that's not. But what we got was not liberation. The country doesn't seem fair or liberated as compared to the America of 30 years ago. So it does seem like it's a lie. John Daniel Davidson [00:10:37] Yeah, yeah. Well, it is a lot. And I think there's, there's a, there's a misunderstanding maybe of terms that, that has crept into our society as well. Like when the founders said life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, they understood happiness in a very specific way, which was the cultivation and the acquisition of virtue. Right, right. You are free to not to do as you as you want to, whatever you want to. You're free to do as you ought. You know, this is something, you know, John Paul the second talked about that, that the true meaning of freedom was freeing you to be good, right? And to be virtuous. It wasn't freeing you to, you know, try to change your, your sex and, or to to engage publicly in, in sexual fetishes and to try to foist that on children, or to be, you know, not not racist. That's not what freedom is for. And so we see, along with the decay of freedom into into license, right? We also see a disfigurement of reason. And that's also characteristic of pagan societies. Reason and faith are complementary. That's what Christians have always believed because it's the truth. But now we see creeping in, an abuse of reason. And you see this most obviously, right, in the Covid pandemic where people were invoking science but making everyone do these completely irrational things that had nothing to do with science, and were totally unreasonable. And you see this justification everywhere now in public life and always it is the we still use the language of science and reason. But clearly what is what is what is the determining factor for the people in power is simply force and will. We are going to make you do this not because it's reasonable, not because it even works. We're just going to make you do it because we're telling you to do it, and we're going to start to see a lot more of that to Covid. Should have been a real eye opener. And I think it was for some people about what the regime is capable of and how we're sort of operating on a new level, even when it comes to the justifications for major public policy. Tucker [00:12:42] So, I mean, I think this I think you're exactly right. You know, Christianity has rules, but by its nature, it rarely uses force to impose them on others. Paganism is the opposite. So the first several centuries after Jesus's death, the Romans were in charge. It was a pagan society, and they required all subjects to bow down before their gods to acknowledge their gods. Christians wouldn't, and they murdered the Christians by the tens of thousands. Then Constantine converts. It becomes a Christian empire. But the Christian empire does not force the non-Christians to bang on before Jesus on pain of death. It allows them to live there. Right? So they're like, in other words, Christianity is more, I guess, in the American sense, a little bit more libertarian or much more libertarian really, than any kind of pagan religious structure. Or am I misreading this? John Daniel Davidson [00:13:31] No, you're absolutely right. Tolerance, like religious tolerance, is a specifically Christian principle. It exists only in Christian societies, and it depends on a Christian worldview. And you have to accept some Christian theological claims about about the cosmos and about man and God in order to even entertain the idea of something like tolerance or freedom of speech. Right. These are luxury goods that only a Christian society can afford, right? Right. Because because Christianity, it does not compel belief, but pagan societies do. And so the idea that we could have, like tolerance and we could have freedom of speech and we could have sort of a live and let live libertarian is exactly without Christianity is totally false. You actually need a Christian society and a, an, a public square that is shaped and formed by Christian moral virtues in order to have tolerance, in order to have freedom of religion and freedom of speech. So, you know, when the founders, when George Washington sent his letter to the Hebrew congregation, you know, what he was saying in part was we will not impose force on you. We will leave you free to practice your faith because we are a Christian nation. And because we can allow that, we can we can have tolerance for your for your beliefs here because we are Christian, we're losing that. And when we lose that, we are going to see force and compulsion and coercion come back into the public square with with force. And we're actually seeing that right now. I mean, how much longer are people going to be allowed to be pro-life or to oppose gay marriage, or even to, you know, insist that that men are men and women are women. Tucker [00:15:12] All right. Bow down before my tranny God. I mean, that's that's what they're demanding. It's feels like people got this backwards. And I just want to press you a little bit on the on the question of science. So science flourished in the West, and really only in the West. Pure science flourished only in the West when it was Christian. And as Christianity recedes and of course, under attack and disintegrating in, in its institutional form, science is going away too. I notice that our leaders don't believe in actual science. In empiricism, for example, what's the connection between Christianity and science? John Daniel Davidson [00:15:49] Well, so what we were saying earlier about, you know, that there is no conflict between faith and reason. These are these are complementary truth about the physical world is is revealed by God, but it's also revealed to mankind through our reason. Through the faculties that God gave us. We are created in the image and likeness of God, and we can apprehend truth about God's creation through our senses and through our rational minds, and using the scientific method using scientific instruments. It doesn't mean that the only thing that's true are things that we can measure with our instruments, right? But the things that we can measure with our instruments are true. They are part of God's truth. But when you reject the idea of God's truth, or the existence of God, or even the existence of a of a rational and reasonable, universe, what you're left with again is there's just force and will. And so there's a we see now, a comfortableness on the part of our ruling elite to simply ignore science, to suppress it, to censor it whenever it contradicts their agenda, especially when it comes to things like the transgender movement, where all of the science and all of the studies that we have point to how harmful and how dangerous it is, and how the people who are suffering essentially from gender dysphoria need help. And all of that is being ignored in favor of this radical pagan agenda. It's also is being ignored about social media and screens. We know that those things are harmful. We push them on kids anyway. So we're going to see this a lot more often to a disregard for science. And so like appeals to scientific studies and appeals to reason and to objectively, observable phenomena are going to start to fall on deaf ears because, because a pagan regime, really doesn't care about objective truth and doesn't care about moral objective truth, but also doesn't care about scientific objective truth. Tucker [00:17:48] Yes. It's just so interesting. And I mean, that's a refrain in my own head every day. Everyone's so unreasonable. When did people get so unreasonable? Truly unreasonable. They just don't care what the established facts are. But I haven't connected it as directly. And as eloquently as you just have to. Religious faith is. It's just interesting that everything the reality is exactly the opposite of what we've been promised for the last 40 years, which is a secular society will be more tolerant and more reasonable. Religion. Christianity specifically, is the root of division, the root of oppression, and the root of superstition. Right? It's the opium of the masses. But that the opposite has turned out to be true. Am I reading this? John Daniel Davidson [00:18:29] No. You're right, the opposite is true. I think, you know, we have to take a step back and understand, like the idea of secularism, of a of a neutral public space where where everyone was free to kind of have their own opinions and go their own way. That is a temporary that was kind of this temporary, like caesura in the life of Western civilization made possible by the triumph of Christianity, but reliant on on Christianity for its sustenance, for its vitality. The the thing that we're seeing now is a return to form, right? You either have a Christian society and a public square that allows for, you know, secularism and freedom of speech, I mean, secularism. The whole idea of secularism was was invented by Christianity. So it's a product of Christian civilization. But without that, as Christianity recedes, we're going to return to a different form of society. And that's what I mean when I say there's only two options here. There's there's the Christian society and there's a pagan society, and it's we're going to go under different names where it's not going to take the same forms as it did in ancient times, but the ethos and the the cosmological worldview of the ancient pagan world is going to be reconstituted in modern times, and it's going to be very bad. It's going to be the kind of society that not even a secular atheist will want to live in. I don't know if you saw the other day the famous atheist Richard Dawkins, in an interview was saying how he's a cultural Christian, he's not a believing Christian, and he's upset that there's so much being made in Britain about Ramadan because he thinks Britain should be culturally Christian, and he likes cathedrals and he likes the old Christmas carols. And why can't we? Why can't we just have that? Well, you can't have that, Richard, if you don't have actual believing Christians who are practicing the faith, there has to be somebody in the cathedrals that are that is worshiping somebody who's singing the Christmas carols, who believes the content of the words. Without that, cultural Christianity withers and dies and something else is going to come in and replace it. If you don't have actual Christians living the Christian life in the public square, in your nation and in your community. Tucker [00:20:42] Well, I don't I'm a little confused, by the leadership of Christian churches in this country and why there's this reluctance, to say obvious things that are clearly true and in the interest of their congregations and of their faith, things that they would be required to say, really, as Christians. And I'm even more deeply. Confused by, in many cases, the collaboration between those churches and a regime that hates them. Why have so many Christian leaders just stood by and allowed Joe Biden, for example, to pose as a Christian, or people around him to pretend that this isn't really about Christian Christianity? Like, why not just tell the truth? John Daniel Davidson [00:21:24] I yeah, I have I as a as a Roman Catholic myself, I had to say I'm dismayed and confused about why Joe Biden hasn't been excommunicated from the Catholic Church by now. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and many other major political leaders who purport to be Catholic in public. But it is very confusing and it's disheartening. I think a lot of Christian leaders in America, have given, have accepted this false notion that winsome ness and being nice is the way to win people over to the faith. And not sort of, you know, speaking clearly about about moral truth. And I think it's a great mistake because, of course, the loving thing to do to anyone, if you love someone, you tell the truth, right? You have to tell them the truth if you love them, because you don't want them to persist in a lie that that harms them and damages them. So when it comes to an issue like transgenderism, the loving thing for Christian leaders to do is not to pretend that this is normal or healthy, but it's to tell the truth about transgender ideology to save people who may be ensnared in it, from from getting involved in it, and to help people who are ensnared to get out. And a willingness to tell the truth has been sorely lacking from our religious leaders across, you know, denominations in the United States. And I think that has to change. We have to grow a spine, and our leaders have to, get some backbone and be willing to speak the truth, the Christian truth about men and women, about the unborn, about how society should be structured, about marriage, about children. And speak it clearly and unapologetically in love. But but without caveats. That's that is loving. That is the way to love people as Christ loves them. And that's also the way to win souls and to convert a nation and a people. Is is to not apologize for the truth. And unfortunately, as you say, we have had a lot of mealy mouthed, weak Christian leaders in this country that don't know what time it is and who don't realize, like what we're talking about, that our society is becoming post-Christian and in the future pagan order that's coming into being in America. You you either speak the truth or you accept the lie. And too many of our Christian leaders are tacitly right now accepting the lies of the regime. Tucker [00:23:45] Well, given that you can only serve one master, I mean, you are only serving one master, right? So if you're a bishop or some sort of religious figure who stands next to Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden, both of whom have, you know, aggressively promoted human sacrifice, and you don't, you know, say, get behind me, Satan. Then you're not, you know, you're you're serving dark forces or you're not. I mean, it's not just that you're polite or shy or something. It's that you're actively working, against the God you claim to serve. I would think you are. John Daniel Davidson [00:24:21] And this gets to the other big thing about paganism. And the reason for its persistence. Right? In the ancient pagan world, it was understood that the pagan gods were real beings. They were, gods. Angels. What? What we might call today dis incarnate intelligences or multi-dimensional beings. Right? But the point is, they were cast out of heaven. So they're here. They're here. And worshiping them and swearing fealty to them and giving sacrifice to them confer certain benefits. Tucker [00:24:57] Let me ask you to pause for a second and just elaborate. So you're saying that in traditional pagan societies, these gods cast out of heaven, moving from the spiritual realm to the physical realm, but were occupying the physical realm like you could touch them. They were physically present. Is that what you're saying? John Daniel Davidson [00:25:15] I'm saying, well, they were they were physically, represented in, in temples and in idols and. Yeah, you know, in, in rites, in secret rites and rituals and in pagan sacrifices, human sacrifices, and other kinds of rituals. That was that was how are we connected to these, these nonphysical beings? But it was understood that these nonphysical beings were they had authority and power over the things in the earth, over nature, in some cases over the fortunes of nations and armies and rulers. And that was a pretty universal belief in, in the pagan world. And it was even, a belief of the, of the Jewish people, although their account corrected the pagan account. So instead of, the god Bael overthrowing his god and taking the throne, the attempt to overthrow the one true God by. Lucifer was defeated and Lucifer was cast down with fallen angels and cast down to earth. Right. And so to your point about whether or not you either serve God or you serve the forces of darkness, you serve the devil. That is still true. Right. As Christians, we believe that's true. That that's that Satan is real. That fallen angels are real. And that and that the occult, is something that is also real. And, you know, I think people are becoming more and more aware of this, that paganism changes throughout the ages, and it takes different forms and we use different words to describe it. But certainly these, these forms of worshiping other beings, and other gods besides the Christian god are visible now. That they're manifest now. You can see it working itself out now, not just in like, teenagers, you know, practicing witchcraft on TikTok, although that is one manifestation of it, but also with the transhumanist movement and the transgender movement, you know, it's very pagan in the way it talks about what human beings are and what our destiny is. Even in, in the artificial intelligence, community and the push to develop AI. These AI developers talk about it. They talk openly about creating gods and creating a god that will do things for us that we can't do that's more powerful than us. It's very it's a very pagan mentality, and we need to understand where it's going. And it's not going anywhere good. Tucker [00:27:33] And that it's real. I mean, I guess I would argue that every religion, every religion believes that spiritual beings physically walk among us. That's the heart of Christianity. God became man. He got crucified, came back, met with his disciples, ate broiled fish, and then went to have it like that. But he physically existed. And so I think every society from the beginning of recorded history has believed that, you know, beings from that dimension are right here and you can touch them. And so, like, it's real, I think. Is that fair to say? John Daniel Davidson [00:28:09] Yeah, I think that I think that more and more people are, are coming around to that way of viewing the world. Some of them are Christian, some of them reject Christian. Tucker [00:28:18] Right. John Daniel Davidson [00:28:19] And and so but so they're not going to serve the Christian god, Ray. Going to serve some other being. And they're going to get more explicit about it, too. You know, I think that that and there's a whole bunch of different directions that, that this discussion would go and probably don't have time to get into all of it, but, but, but we're seeing that play out. And I try to explain some of those instances in the book, maybe that people haven't thought of, particular with artificial intelligence. I think there's some of this going on with the, the UFO, UAP phenomenon. People who are who are looking into that and who are deeply involved in that, you know, when they're pressed on it that, you know, they'll talk about how they believe that they're in touch with these discarded beings that are, they're very advanced and that have advanced knowledge. And that and that will confer that knowledge on us for a price. And this is exactly how like, the ancient Mesopotamians understood their gods as well, that that they would get knowledge, secret knowledge, and they would get advantages in technology in exchange for serving these gods. And, you know, it's difficult for modern men to where we're used to kind of a materialist vocabulary and a scientific way of looking at the world. But but that's being eroded and and, we're, we're seeing the creation now of what C.S. Lewis called the materialist magician. In The Screwtape Letters, he talks about how they want to conceal their presence. The demons want to conceal their presence from the materialist human beings. You know, because because that that way they can make skeptics and materialists out of them, but they hope someday to develop a new man who is both a materialist and a skeptic, but, also recognizes the existence of forces while not naming the spirits. And Veritably worships them while maintaining his skepticism. And that kind of man is coming into being now. Tucker [00:30:11] Well, I I've met quite a few of them. So just to press you a little bit on that, what you said about UFO, UAP, phenomenon, which, you know, I think people are waking up to the fact, the established fact that there is something going on. It's not from China, Russia, the US government has detailed knowledge of it, which is being withheld from the public like that. All is established fact, I would say. But in in the reporting on this, the research into it that you have done, what are your conclusions? Do you think it is possible that the US government has or elements of the US government? People within the US government are in contact with these beings, spiritual beings? I think it's fair to say, and have made some arrangement with them, as the ancient Mesopotamians did, as an exchange of technology for compliance for, for worship, for something. John Daniel Davidson [00:31:02] I think that's. The most reasonable explanation. Tucker [00:31:05] You think that's the most reasonable? You think that's the most reasonable? That's like the most far out thing I've ever. That's ever entered my brain. Right. John Daniel Davidson [00:31:13] Well, again. Right. So, again, you know, the reasoning from. Tucker [00:31:19] The most reasonable explanation. I mean, I agree with you, but I just- John Daniel Davidson [00:31:25] Think of I think, it's more reasonable than thinking that these things come from space, right? Yeah. They don't come from space. I'm aware these aren't, like, these aren't little green men who are, like, flying ships through, like, from Mars to Earth. I think that, the UAP phenomenon is, is best explained. The most reasonable explanation for it is that it is a spiritual phenomenon. And the beings that people, report having encountered, are discarded multi-dimensional intelligences or what Christians would have called demons or angels and have called throughout human history and inauguration. Peoples have had different names for them as well. You know, we I think we call them aliens, to kind of soothe ourselves, right? Because for modern man, for a materialist, skeptical modern, it's too much. It's too scary to say all of these are angels and demons. And so we say, oh, they're they're aliens. They're aliens. That's that's more reasonable. No. I, I do think that these things are real, that our government has had contact with them. Possibly other governments have to, and that they're being it's being kept secret for obvious reasons. But but I think the more you look into it that, that's really the only, reasonable explanation that you can come to. You know, it's either that or you have to descend into kind of a rat hole of conspiracy theory, in thinking that, you know, we have these secret technologies that are totally manmade. And there's the government has invented UFOs as an elaborate way to cover it up. You know, and, and even these videos that we, you know, saw in recent years from Navy pilots are all fake, you know, and it becomes a lot less reasonable to believe that then, than to believe the ancient Christian beliefs that people have believed through for thousands and thousands of years. Yes, and are attested to throughout all human history. I think that that is the most reasonable explanation. And I think, too, that as we enter into this post-Christian era and this new pagan era arises, that's going to become a lot more obvious. Tucker [00:33:35] I couldn't, I could not agree with you more. I wonder, though, if you will just expand a little bit on the implications of that. So if the U.S. government, which we pay for and does all of this, whatever it does in our names, because it's a democracy, it's our government, if the US or parts of the US government, people within the US government employees or contractors have made contact with dark spiritual forces, which I think is true and have made some arrangement with them, with technology exchange, you know, that would require them to be complicit in whatever these forces, are doing. Like what are the implications of that? The U.S. government, our government. John Daniel Davidson [00:34:15] Well, yeah. So the implications of that is that, yeah. America is not going to decline and fall. America is going to become evil, right? I mean, that what, you know, if if elements of the of the, deep state, right, we can call it the administrative bureaucracy or what, the permanent deep state, are doing this, then then that deep state, we need to understand that is a hostile force that is you setting about, evil designs, and is and is pursuing malign ends. And one thing that that, that deep state and those forces are not interested at all is in, allowing Christians to sort of flourish and practice their faith openly in the United States. They're not interested in that at all. And so Christians need to get get that through their head. Part of what I'm trying to do with this book, I should say, I don't go into the UAP UFO thing in the book, but it's obviously adjacent to it. And and the implications are obvious. Part of the purpose, my purpose of writing the book is to get Christians to kind of accept the reality that to wrap their brains around what's happening, it's hard to do. It's hard to accept that your government is is is an enemy, not just of, your political party, but but your whole way of life and your and your religion and your family and your community, and that you need to be prepared for your government to be an enemy and to persecute you and come after you. And you need to be prepared to be, a minority in a post-Christian society and understand what the implications of that are. I don't have all the answers. There's not a chapter in the book that says these ten steps will save America. I think the first big step is to get people to realize this is happening. This is the reality. And and to, to not kind of trundle along like, like, we live in the 1940s. We don't. That world is over. Tucker [00:36:15] John Daniel Davidson. Really appreciate this conversation very, very much. The book is Pagan America The Decline of Christianity and the Dark Age to Come. Thank you for writing it and for telling us about it, I appreciate it. John Daniel Davidson [00:36:26] Thanks, Tucker, I appreciate it.

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