The Leonardo of Landscape Painting: Lars Hertervig and the Rejuvenation in Primal Images
Jan-Ove Tuv, Sebastian Salvo & Alastair Blain sit down to talk about the 19th century landscape painter Lars Hertervig and the mythic potential of the landscape.
Topics discussed in this episode:
• Hertervig's dreamlike vision vs Constable's recreation of soil
• Painting despite lack of social advantages
• Was Hertervig "insane" or highly intelligent?
• Rejuvenation in timeless images
• Hertervig's clouds: pure fantasy, or did he actually look at nature?
• Myths describe reality way more accurately
• The advantages of painting landscapes in the studio
• Plein-air plus eighty five percent black
• Combining realism and symbols, empiricism and poetry
• Elements in the story that are too personal get cut away
• The subject has to strike you first, then it can become archetypal
• When your unconscious gets pretentious…
• Neurotic myth deniers
• Your love or interest for it makes it archetypal
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Melisa Calabria on Studying with Ricardo Celma, Odd Nerdrum and Painting Narrative Self-Portraits
The Argentinian painter Melisa Calabria sits down to explain the importance of painting self-portraits. Beyond supplying a free and patient model, Calabria perceives self-portraits as an "excuse" that allows you to depict archetypal situations. Instead of indicating egocentrism, she sees this genre as an opportunity to discover the eternal in all your models.
00:50 Introducing the guest
01:26 The self-portrait: does it have to look like yourself?
03:59 Workshops in Argentina and studying with Ricardo Celma
09:38 Painting self-portraits at the Nerdrum Studio
13:49 Archetypal imagery and using from your own experience
20:30 Getting the likeness is like learning to ride a bicycle
24:03 Rembrandt and the three levels of the self-portrait
32:40 Using yourself as a model to tell a story
35:16 Rembrandt's Self-Portrait as Zeuxis Laughing
41:05 The absurdity of being a court painter in modern times
42:08 Nature is the universal language
43:29 How much can you deviate from the likeness?
46:59 Selecting a focus to emphasize the story
52:19 Rembrandt's development as a painter
54:25 Who you are, what you want, and where you want to be
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The Mysterious Portrait by Nicolai Gogol | A Wicked Story about the Social Greed of a Young Painter
What happens when a young painter, on the brink of economic ruin, comes into a lot of money?
Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to review Nicolai Gogol's short story "The Mysterious Portrait".
Topics from the conversation:
• Tchartkoff stumbling upon the portrait in a picture shop
• Discovering thousand gold coins in the back of the frame
• Giving up the craft to become a high society portrait painter
• Realizing he wasted his talent, he starts destroying other people’s work
• "The Devil" — a usurer destroying the life of all his clients
• Has his portrait commissioned by a religious painter to be "kept alive"
• The painter becomes envious and starts painting evil expressions
• The portrait ruins anyone who possesses it
• "The Devil" is the lack of interest in your work
• People who are afraid are easily tempted by the Devil
• Are you integrated and can you stand on your own feet?
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The Great Gatsby by Scott Fitzgerald | Recreating the Past in a Valley of Ashes
Carl Korsnes and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to talk about Scott Fitzgerald's famous novel "The Great Gatsby".
Topics discussed in this episode:
• Making the present eternal
• Condensed storytelling and sensory descriptions
• The rich descriptions of Dickens and Fitzgerald
• Gatsby was a boy who never grew up
• Valley of ashes, broad hips and timelessness
• Killing Myrtle and Daisy’s relationship to Gatsby
• Gatsby's obsession with recreating the past
• What is important in a story
• Gatsby or the modern Sisyphus
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Alastair Blain on the Mythic Landscape, Poems of Ossian and the Joy of Grief
The Scottish kitsch-painter Alastair Blain visits The Cave to convey his love for landscape painting and the importance of making it mythical. He is concerned with ancient tales like The Poems of Ossian, and claims they have wisdom or even medicine for us "if we can come to behold them from a universal perspective".
Blain will also discuss how historical knowledge of the Western Scottish landscape has opened up its timeless dimension, as well as the challenges of painting landscapes in a studio.
The conversation was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum and assisted by Sebastian Salvo.
The centerpiece was landscape painting of Glen Rosa by Alastair Blain.
01:33 Introducing the guest
02:12 The Glen Rosa landscape painting
03:36 Life took me to New Zealand
05:21 Hungry Creek Art and Craft school
08:09 Oleg Korolev and the Academy of Visionary Art
17:05 The River Gryffe and the mythic landscape
24:55 Being craft-oriented and making your own tools
27:27 John Constable and painting inside VS outside
30:11 The Apelles palette is so blue!
31:08 Veiviseren (The Path Finder)
32:09 Influence from the poems of Ossian
37:04 Escaping the sad realities of modern life
43:44 Horatio McCulloch and Degas' academy idea
47:03 The joy of grief and The Sick Child by Munch
55:03 Blain's handmade brushes
1:00:25 Beautiful books and James MacPherson
1:05:50 Fionn mac Cumhaill (Finn MacCool)
1:08:05 The tale about the piper called Alastair
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Jung’s Collective Unconscious, Participation in Eternity and Becoming a Whole Man
Öde Nerdrum, Jan-Ove Tuv & Sebastian Salvo sit down to discuss Carl Jung's idea about the collective unconscious.
Topics in this episode include:
• Art is collective consciousness, kitsch is collective unconsciousness
• Translating the unconscious, making the archetypes understandable
• Jung reintroduced spirituality, but in scientific language
• Modern man divided between science and belief — politics fills the gap.
• Opposition between Jung's individualism and collective unconscious?
• Not an island unto oneself but learning from all cultures and all times
• Save the Cat! and why we only have a handful of stories
• Protestantism and art as iconoclast movements
• Rejecting collective unconscious robs the castle of its defense
• Becoming a whole man through "re-ligion"
• The superficiality of Art's claim to archetypal content
• On Persephone and Demeter and Beauty and the Beast
• Cindarella & Peter Pan: Many characters are aspects of one person
• The Anima and the Animus: Have men lost more than women?
• The reward of performing "the persona"
• Daphne and Apollo» VS theater and the Dionysian mysteries
• Little Red Riding Hood: Understanding, not knowing the story
• The genuine laughter in Rembrandt's "Self-Portrait as Zeuxis"
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The Romantic Manifesto by Ayn Rand | Aristotelian or Kant-Hegelian?
Is Ayn Rand's book on aesthetics a worthy continuation of Aristotle's Poetics or is it inconsistent and full of contradictions? Jan-Ove Tuv, Bork Nerdrum and Nic Thurman sit down to discuss The Romantic Manifesto by the American author and philosopher, Ayn Rand.
Topics discussed in this episode:
• The importance of Volition and people in action
• Are Rand's aesthetic ideas Kant-Hegelian?
• Rand's taste in painting and confusing ideology with “quality”
• On depicting people with Flaws
• A clear line = A clear thought?
• Rand's peculiar taste for modernist architecture
• Sculptures: Just for ornamentation?
• Romanticism: An embrace of life
• Why figurative painters should read The Fountainhead
• The pathos of the “indifferent” judgment
• Romanticism gives us stories to live by
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Nic Thurman on How Modernism Originates with Kant and Hegel and Why Kitsch is a Viable Alternative
Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Nic Thurman in tonight's episode to talk about his video on the Truth About Art, reactions to his commentary and common misconceptions about art history and the reevaluation of kitsch.
You can watch Thurman's video "The Truth About Art" here:
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00:48 Introducing Nic Thurman
04:20 On his video "The Truth About Art"
06:31 Reactions from The Boston Art Podcast
10:13 Hyper realism equals aesthetical indifference?
12:12 Disclosing a historical myth about photography
14:28 How Cezanne and Kandinsky were inspired by Kant and Hegel
23:30 19th century Realism as the first Art style
25:42 Is Kitsch just Pretty and Sweet?
30:45 Two different value systems
32:00 Kitsch values VS. Memorosa dogmas
34:53 Does outdated Art become Kitsch?
36:28 Kitsch is more than Odd Nerdrum
37:52 Let go of your "personal style"
42:00 Comparing the Art religion to Alinsky's Rules for Radicals
45:22 To those who are uncertain about "Kitsch"
51:00 People think I paint kitchens
The conversation was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum and assisted by Kristine Onsrud.
The centerpiece was a portrait of Nic Thurman by Odd Nerdrum.
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Will a Laissez-faire Society Lead to the Best and Most Noble Achievements of Mankind?
Jan-Ove Tuv and Carl Korsnes sit down to discuss the pros and cons of capitalism in terms of classical culture. Will a society based on the laissez-faire model lead to the best and most noble achievements of mankind?
Topics discussed in this episode:
• The philosophical roots of cultural politics
• Disguised political propaganda
• What if cultural politics supported classical values?
• The immoral price gap between modern and classical works
• Adam Smith: only virtuous products are sustainable?
• The typical "capitalist" attitude towards culture
• Open markets equals more "diversity"
• The state: as small as possible
• The solution
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The Dehumanization of Art by Ortega y Gasset | 📕 Book review
Magnus Vanebo, Sebastian Salvo, and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to discuss the Spanish philosopher Ortega y Gasset's essay "The Dehumanization of Art".
Topics covered in this conversation:
• The problem of pathos in literature and paintings
• Salvo: "This stinks of Kant and Hegel!"
• An art for the select few (screw the proletariat!)
• The window metaphor: seeing "beyond the illusion"
• The modern imperative: Bow to your time
• Purity conveyed in emotional language
• Vanebo on modern art as a jest
• How romanticism dulls the mind
• The sentimentality of the idea of the select few
• Gasset´s greatest compliment to modern art
• The artist´s approach should not be serious
• Was Gasset "Woke"?
• "Girls, women, and old men should step aside"
• Eradicating personal sentiments from music
• Art is like chimney smoke
• Mallarmé´s poetry
• A cult of death
• All great periods «dehumanized» what they made
• A summary of what modern art is
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Frederik Magle on his Education at Conservatory, his Music, and Loosing the Fear of Becoming Kitsch
He is a danish, tonal composer who seeks to create works you would want to listen to on your deathbed. Frederik Magle visits The Cave to explain why storytelling — not musical technicalities — is the goal of a composer.
He also touches on the strange and mixed reception of his work, and how the sway «modern» values may still hold over classically minded people, and how to counter that.
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A Hidden Treasure among Painters: Olga Boznańska | Kristine Onsrud & Jan-Ove Tuv
Kristine Onsrud and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to talk about the 19th century Polish painter Olga Boznańska and her loose manner of painting. The topics covered in this episode include:
• Who was Olga Boznańska?
• Edvard Munch and the squinting test
• Boznańska VS. Helene Schjerfbeck
• Jack the Ripper (aka. Walter Sickert)
• Self-portrait at Age Twenty-two by Munch
• Portrait of the painter Anna Saryusz-Zaleska by Boznańska
• "The Sick Child" (1986) by Munch
• Boznańska VS. Bonard
• Bonard VS. Matisse (comparing an old master to a psychopath)
• Lack of philosophical training in traditional painting academies
• Combining two opposite principles to achieve a masterpiece
• Boznańska: achieving flatness and volume simultaneously
• The concept of colors being friends
• Getting an unfinished totality instead of a finished detail
• The problem of hyper-realism and painting from photo
• Jacques Louis David's portrait of Madame Récamier
• Constable, Rembrandt and Titian: their loose manner of painting
• Titian's Pietà and the concave shape of Mary Magdalene's head
• Eugene Carriére and his "floating figures"
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The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.
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The Hunt of Odd Nerdrum continues... | Jan-Ove Tuv, Öde & Bork Nerdrum
The trio behind "The Hunt of Odd Nerdrum" sit down to talk about Nerdrum's sources of inspiration that they did NOT cover in the documentary.
We talk about influences on Nerdrum's work, such as:
• The Russian Icons
• Puvis de Chavannes
• Francisco Goya
• Käthe Kollwitz
• Soviet films
...and much more!
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