The Protestant View

Live Discussion with Steve Henry

Might be boring

Just throwing a thought out there

Random late night stream. Nothing prepared just winging it, so it may not be that great. Just throwing some thoughts out there

Polycarp was a 2nd-century Christian bishop of Smyrna, now modern-day Izmir in Turkey. He is regarded as an Apostolic Father, one of the three chief Apostolic Fathers, along with Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch. His importance lies in his link to the apostolic age, as he was a disciple of John the Apostle. Polycarp was known for his piety and his stand against heresy. He was martyred at the age of 86, and the account of his martyrdom is one of the earliest preserved, authentic records of Christian martyrdom. The Quartodeciman controversy was an early dispute in Christianity regarding the date for celebrating Easter. Quartodecimanism refers to the practice of celebrating Easter on the 14th of Nisan, the date of the Jewish Passover, regardless of which day of the week it fell. This practice was particularly prevalent in Asia Minor and was supported by Polycarp, who claimed to have received it from John the Apostle. In contrast, the Roman Church celebrated Easter on the Sunday following the first full moon after the vernal equinox. The controversy was significant because it highlighted the tension between the Jewish roots of Christianity anon Sunday d the desire of the church to establish a distinct Christian identity. The dispute was eventually settled in favor of the Roman practice at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. #################################### The Roman Church in 2024 is Celebrating Easter on Sunday March 31. The Eastern Orthodox Church is celebrating Easter on Sunday May 5th. Christians who go by the bible and Jews will celebrate PASSOVER on Monday April 22, Sundown Monday starts the Paschal Sabbath (First Day of Unleavened Bread). Jesus had to be off the cross and in the tomb before Sundown which commences the Paschal Sabbath in the bible, referred to in many english bibles as the "High Sabbath". ################################## Melito of Sardis was one of the leaders of the Quartodecimans, who celebrated Easter on the 14th of Nisan, the same day as the Jewish Passover. He believed that this was the original and apostolic tradition, and that the other Christians who celebrated Easter on a different date were following a human invention. He wrote a letter to the emperor Marcus Aurelius, asking him to stop the persecution of the Christians and to respect their freedom of worship. In this letter, he criticized the non-Quartodecimans for celebrating Easter on a different date than the Jews, and for following the “error of the nations” and the “decree of Caesar.”¹ By the “error of the nations,” Melito meant the pagan customs and practices that influenced the way some Christians calculated the date of Easter. He accused them of adopting the solar calendar of the Romans, instead of the lunar calendar of the Jews, and of following the cycles of the sun and the moon, instead of the word of God. He also implied that they were compromising their faith by conforming to the world, and by mixing the Christian celebration of the resurrection with the pagan celebration of the spring equinox.² By the “decree of Caesar,” Melito meant the imperial authority that enforced the uniformity of the date of Easter. He claimed that the non-Quartodecimans were obeying the orders of the emperor, instead of the commands of Christ. He also suggested that they were betraying their loyalty to God, by submitting to a human ruler, and by accepting a political decision over a religious one.³ Melito's purpose in using this phrase was to defend the Quartodeciman practice of celebrating Easter on the 14th of Nisan, and to challenge the non-Quartodeciman practice of celebrating Easter on a different date. He wanted to show that the Quartodecimans were faithful to the original and apostolic tradition, and that the non-Quartodecimans were deviating from it. He also wanted to show that the Quartodecimans were loyal to God, and that the non-Quartodecimans were loyal to Caesar. He wanted to persuade the emperor to respect the diversity of the Christian communities, and to allow them to celebrate Easter according to their own conscience.⁴ Source: Conversation with Bing, 1/14/2024 (1) Easter Controversy | Encyclopedia.com. https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/easter-controversy. (2) How the celebration of Easter caused dramatic conflicts within the .... https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/easter-controversy/. (3) Worship: The Passover-Easter-Quartodeciman Controversy. https://www.gci.org/articles/the-passover-easter-quartodeciman-controversy/. (4) undefined. https://pixabay.com/photos/cross-jesus-believe-church-4941685/. (5) undefined. https://pixabay.com/vectors/last-supper-jesus-leonardo-da-vinci-4997322/. (6) undefined. https://pixabay.com/photos/christ-icon-hagia-sophia-istanbul-1618197/.

Briefly talking about the eclipse and mentioning what got me so angry. Then moving on to my theory I coin Dynamic Theistic Relationalism to explain my belief about time and why the calvinist view can not reasonably exist

Polycarp was a 2nd-century Christian bishop of Smyrna, now modern-day Izmir in Turkey. He is regarded as an Apostolic Father, one of the three chief Apostolic Fathers, along with Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch. His importance lies in his link to the apostolic age, as he was a disciple of John the Apostle. Polycarp was known for his piety and his stand against heresy. He was martyred at the age of 86, and the account of his martyrdom is one of the earliest preserved, authentic records of Christian martyrdom. The Quartodeciman controversy was an early dispute in Christianity regarding the date for celebrating Easter. Quartodecimanism refers to the practice of celebrating Easter on the 14th of Nisan, the date of the Jewish Passover, regardless of which day of the week it fell. This practice was particularly prevalent in Asia Minor and was supported by Polycarp, who claimed to have received it from John the Apostle. In contrast, the Roman Church celebrated Easter on the Sunday following the first full moon after the vernal equinox. The controversy was significant because it highlighted the tension between the Jewish roots of Christianity anon Sunday d the desire of the church to establish a distinct Christian identity. The dispute was eventually settled in favor of the Roman practice at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. #################################### The Roman Church in 2024 is Celebrating Easter on Sunday March 31. The Eastern Orthodox Church is celebrating Easter on Sunday May 5th. Christians who go by the bible and Jews will celebrate PASSOVER on Monday April 22, Sundown Monday starts the Paschal Sabbath (First Day of Unleavened Bread). Jesus had to be off the cross and in the tomb before Sundown which commences the Paschal Sabbath in the bible, referred to in many english bibles as the "High Sabbath". ################################## Melito of Sardis was one of the leaders of the Quartodecimans, who celebrated Easter on the 14th of Nisan, the same day as the Jewish Passover. He believed that this was the original and apostolic tradition, and that the other Christians who celebrated Easter on a different date were following a human invention. He wrote a letter to the emperor Marcus Aurelius, asking him to stop the persecution of the Christians and to respect their freedom of worship. In this letter, he criticized the non-Quartodecimans for celebrating Easter on a different date than the Jews, and for following the “error of the nations” and the “decree of Caesar.”¹ By the “error of the nations,” Melito meant the pagan customs and practices that influenced the way some Christians calculated the date of Easter. He accused them of adopting the solar calendar of the Romans, instead of the lunar calendar of the Jews, and of following the cycles of the sun and the moon, instead of the word of God. He also implied that they were compromising their faith by conforming to the world, and by mixing the Christian celebration of the resurrection with the pagan celebration of the spring equinox.² By the “decree of Caesar,” Melito meant the imperial authority that enforced the uniformity of the date of Easter. He claimed that the non-Quartodecimans were obeying the orders of the emperor, instead of the commands of Christ. He also suggested that they were betraying their loyalty to God, by submitting to a human ruler, and by accepting a political decision over a religious one.³ Melito's purpose in using this phrase was to defend the Quartodeciman practice of celebrating Easter on the 14th of Nisan, and to challenge the non-Quartodeciman practice of celebrating Easter on a different date. He wanted to show that the Quartodecimans were faithful to the original and apostolic tradition, and that the non-Quartodecimans were deviating from it. He also wanted to show that the Quartodecimans were loyal to God, and that the non-Quartodecimans were loyal to Caesar. He wanted to persuade the emperor to respect the diversity of the Christian communities, and to allow them to celebrate Easter according to their own conscience.⁴ Source: Conversation with Bing, 1/14/2024 (1) Easter Controversy | Encyclopedia.com. https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/easter-controversy. (2) How the celebration of Easter caused dramatic conflicts within the .... https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/easter-controversy/. (3) Worship: The Passover-Easter-Quartodeciman Controversy. https://www.gci.org/articles/the-passover-easter-quartodeciman-controversy/. (4) undefined. https://pixabay.com/photos/cross-jesus-believe-church-4941685/. (5) undefined. https://pixabay.com/vectors/last-supper-jesus-leonardo-da-vinci-4997322/. (6) undefined. https://pixabay.com/photos/christ-icon-hagia-sophia-istanbul-1618197/.

Mind control and brainwashing

To join the show: https://streamyard.com/nn9ty6jtcw Please make sure top subscribe to my New Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TrueCatholicism An open mic discussion. I plan on debating Charles Jennings of Layman's Seminary on this topic. He has accepted, I just need to know what date this will be on and I will let people know. So this is both an open mic challenge and to give charles something to study in order to make the debate as challenging as possible. Because I want the strongest argument. Like I said, I stand to GAIN $50,000 by having Charles PROME ME WRONG. Or anyone. I have jobs I cannot accept because they violate what I believe to be the Lord's Day. So I am not someone fighting against WANTING to believe I am wrong. I have $50,000 to gain by being PROVEN WRONG. So do not say stupid retarded things to me about me not wanting to believe, even if you did show proof. No, I WANT TO BELIEVE THE OTHER SIDE. I just see NO EVIDENCE. I want to be proven wrong if I am wrong. You are a RETARD if you think I am trying to miss out on making $50,000 more dollars a year.

No Proof for Sunday being the Lord's Day - Open Mic open mic link: https://streamyard.com/zw7w5cwsqg

The first 30 minutes or so, I just want to make a few points about various topics, then after about 30 minutes probably open the mic and have an open discussion.

Here are some writings preserved of the Quartodecimans accusing the non-Quartodecimans of innovating and changing the original Christian faith. They also accused them of following the pagan customs and the Roman emperor. Here are some examples of their writings: Polycrates of Ephesus was a bishop and a Quartodeciman leader who wrote a letter to Pope Victor I in 190 AD, defending his practice of celebrating Passover on the 14th of Nisan. He claimed that he was following the tradition of the apostles John and Philip, and that he was not afraid of the threats of excommunication from Rome. He also said that the non-Quartodecimans were “weavers of lies” who had “forsaken the truth”. Melito of Sardis was a bishop and a Quartodeciman apologist who wrote a treatise called On Pascha, which is ONE OF THE EARLIEST Christian commentaries on the Passover. He argued that the Passover was fulfilled by Christ, who was the true Lamb of God. He also criticized the non-Quartodecimans for celebrating Easter on a different date than the Jews, and for following the “error of the nations” and the “decree of Caesar." The Didascalia Apostolorum is a Christian legal treatise that claims to be written by the Twelve Apostles, but is actually a later composition from the 3rd or 4th century. It deals with various aspects of church practice, such as baptism, fasting, ordination, and liturgy. It is based on the earlier Didache, and was later incorporated into the Apostolic Constitutions. It states that Jesus and his disciples ate the Passover on the third day of the week (Tuesday) at evening, and that Jesus was arrested later that night. The Didascalia Apostolorum also accuses the non-Quartodecimans of being “deceived by the scribes and Pharisees” and of “transgressing the commandment of God”. I put more weight into Quartodecimans like Polycarp and others over so called "church fathers" who kept Easter and other practices not found in the bible. From everything I understand they kept Sabbath too. I reject the catholic traditions 99% or more people keep today. And I found this, the writings of Epiphanius of Salamis where he notes that some Christians celebrated the resurrection on the seventh day of the week (Saturday), following the Jewish reckoning of time. Here is an excerpt from his work Anacephalaeosis, which is a summary of his Panarion: "And the first day of the week is the day of the resurrection, which is also called the Lord’s day. But some of the sects, who are called Quartodecimans, celebrate the resurrection on the seventh day of the week, which is also the Sabbath, according to the Jewish reckoning of time. For they say that the Lord rose on the Sabbath, and not on the first day of the week, as it is written in the Gospel. And they are called Quartodecimans, because they keep the Passover on the fourteenth day of the first month, which is Nisan, according to the Law." Therefore, I see no reason to believe in the nonsense people try to feed me when they say, "Jesus got it wrong when he said He would be in the grave 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS, He was only in the grave 2 nights." No, Jesus is not a false prophet like you make Him out to be. The Bible does not have errors. These "sects" that Salamis is referring to actually got it right. The things the Quartodecimans observe are found in the Bible, we see the early believers observing these things in the Bible. The thing we do not see is catholic traditions like Easter Sunday in the bible being celebrated. We also do not see weekly gatherings on Sunday, but we do see many weekly gatherings on Sabbath. Why would I even start to believe the traditions of man, when they are not in the Bible? Quartodecimans were excommunicated, exiled, tortured, or killed for their beliefs and practices. Their writings have pretty much been wiped from existence. Sort of reminds you of groups like the Waldenses who ejected some of the Catholic doctrines and sacraments, such as the papal authority, the indulgences, the purgatory, and the prayers for the dead. They also translated and studied the Bible in their own language, and preached without the permission of the Church. The Waldenses were condemned and hunted by the Catholic Church and the secular authorities, who tried to exterminate them by various means, such as crusades, inquisitions, massacres, and expulsions. Now, most of us would think it is wrong for Christians to torture someone else for their beliefs and practices, especially if they beliefs and practices do not seem to be breaking any moral laws. Yet we find one group of so called "christians" doing that to another group of christians called "quartodecimans". Just let that sink in, who might the real christians be? The murderers or the ones being murdered? Facts about the Insabbatati: They were also called the Vaudois, the Poor of Lyon, or simply Christians. They originated in the 12th century, either from a rich merchant named Peter Waldo, or from an earlier group of Christians who lived in the Alpine valleys. They shared the teachings of the Bible in the common language of the people, and insisted on the Bible as their only rule of doctrine and life. They rejected the doctrine of purgatory, the Mass, the use of holy water, ashes, candles, kissing of relics, and the celebration of papal festivals. They were persecuted by the Catholic Church as heretics, and fled to various regions of Europe, spreading their biblical teachings. They were considered precursors of the Protestant Reformation by some historians. Seems that they may have also kept the yearly Passover, and commemorated the death of Christ on the 14th of Nisan, the day of the Jewish Passover, like the Quartodecimans. They still exist today as a small denomination, mostly in Italy.

Link to Undevelopement Team channel: https://www.youtube.com/@undevelopmentteam No guest on my channel reflects my views. I just merely have a variety of people on my shows. I'm trying to be open minded and just figure out what the best way of viewing these passages are. I am someone who thinks most of "Christianity" has not really allowed open debate and dialogue, and I think much of "christianity" is in a deception and delusion. I do not think if as many were truly biblically sound as they think they are, that the entire world would have got locked down. And many still cheer for the man, Donald Trump, which gave them the lockdown and vaccine. So, seeing how delusional they are about Trump, why believe these people are not just as delusional when it comes to the Bible? And yes, bible eschatology does tie into politics, because what people believe determines their attitude and what deceptions they will fall for. ------------------------- The first 2 hours is basically my Guest going over the Greek word Parousia, which is the word many use to argue for Jesus's second coming. And he goes over various ways that word is translated and what looks to be inconsistent translations of the word. I was unaware of his Eschatological view. While there is some things I disagree with, I do find his research into the word PAROUSIA interesting. The last two hours is just a discussion about various things, his view on Revelation 11, the resurrection, Daniel 9. And i definitely don't believe in the 33 AD crucifixion of Jesus that he does, I believe it had to be 31 AD, and I really haven't seen any evidence that is strong to say otherwise. I think the next time I do a show, I will probably try to get someone like Scott Clem or a panel of people sharing a view closer to his. I would like to have a discussion with people who hold to a 31ad crucifixion on Wednesday, who do not interpret "a day for a year" in any passage that does not call for it. I'm interested in having someone with a contextual historicist view that does not do the "day for a year" in Revelation's "1260 days" and does not do it in other passages that do not call for it either.

A discussion trying to figure out why someone believes Daniel 9 is not fulfilled by Jesus. And yes, this is a political thing too, because many of you are going along with the antichrist system thinking Daniel's 70th week is future. So do not get mad when I post this in Repubblican Politics

- The rapture is influenced by the writings of a Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza, who wrote a book on biblical prophecy under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra. Lacunza's book, titled *The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty*, proposed a futurist interpretation of the book of Revelation and a two-stage return of Christ, similar to the rapture theory. Lacunza's book was translated into English by Edward Irving, a Scottish minister who also held similar views on the rapture and the millennium. Irving's followers, known as the Irvingites, claimed to have experienced charismatic gifts and prophetic visions, and some of them predicted the date of the rapture. - The rapture was popularized by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren, a group of evangelical Christians who emphasized the unity of true believers and the authority of the Bible. Darby wrote many books and pamphlets on biblical prophecy and interpretation, such as *The Nature and Unity of the Church of Christ*, *Lectures on the Second Coming*, and *Notes on the Epistle to the Romans*. He also produced his own translation of the Bible from the original languages, which emphasized his dispensationalist scheme. - Darby and his followers traveled extensively in Europe, North America, and other parts of the world, preaching and teaching their doctrines. They also established many assemblies of believers who adhered to their principles of separation from evil and simplicity of worship. - Darby's influence reached the United States in the early 20th century, when his rapture theory was incorporated into the Scofield Reference Bible, a widely used annotated edition of the King James Version. This Bible popularized dispensationalism and the rapture among many American evangelicals and fundamentalists. - The rapture is not a historical or orthodox belief of the Christian church. It is not explicitly taught in the Bible, but is based on a selective reading of a few verses, such as 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. These verses do not mention a secret or sudden removal of believers from the earth, but rather a visible and glorious coming of Christ with his saints. It is also inconsistent with the biblical theme of God's faithfulness and presence with his people throughout history, even in times of suffering and persecution. The rapture is not explicitly taught in the Bible, but is based on a selective reading of a few verses, such as 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. These verses do not mention a secret or sudden removal of believers from the earth, but rather a visible and glorious coming of Christ with his saints. The Greek word harpazo, which is translated as “caught up” or “snatched away” in these verses, does not imply a rapture, but rather a meeting or a reunion with the Lord. The context of these verses also indicates that they are not describing a separate event from the second coming of Christ, but rather a part of it. The rapture doctrine distorts the gospel and the mission of the church to the Jews. It suggests that the church has no responsibility or obligation to share the gospel with the Jews, and that the Jews will be saved by a special dispensation of grace after the rapture of the church. This implies that the Jews do not need to repent and believe in Christ, and that they can be saved by their ethnic identity or their works of the law. This is contrary to the biblical teaching that the gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16). The Bible teaches that the church is the body of Christ, and that it is called to preach the gospel to all nations, including the Jews, and to make disciples of them (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; Romans 10:14-15)123 The rapture doctrine fosters a false and dangerous support for the state of Israel. It suggests that the modern state of Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, and that it has a divine right to the land and to the city of Jerusalem. It also suggests that the church should support the state of Israel unconditionally, regardless of its policies or actions, and that any opposition or criticism of the state of Israel is a sign of anti-Semitism or apostasy. This implies that the state of Israel is above moral or political scrutiny, and that it can do no wrong. This is contrary to the biblical teaching that the state of Israel is not the same as the people of Israel, and that it is subject to the same standards of justice and righteousness as any other nation. The Bible teaches that God judges the nations according to their deeds, and that he holds them accountable for their treatment of the poor, the oppressed, and the strangers in their midst (Psalm 82; Isaiah 10:1-4; Jeremiah 22:1-5; Amos 2:6-8; Micah 6:8; Matthew 25:31-46)1

Going over a comment from a calvinist, showing how they cannot answer a simple question Two of my other videos about Calvinism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSLdxbrrNU&t=36s - Calvinists trying to argue that they are not Fatalists My Issues with Calvinism: https://www.youtube.com/live/3a-OwQONq7c?si=Xm50DCin9Lcwr-CW calvinism,salvaltion,salvation,calvin,john calvin,determinism,compatibilism,fatalism,nihilism,nihilist,bible,theology,system,calvinist,servetus,false teacher,false teaching

https://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-papacy-and-the-jesuits-pdfs/?fbclid=IwAR12lorZcH7cmEIWLawJSACSNa0Z6IFhy6bvAKExeeaKPFSiaIhKf4sMaKU From David: The Papacy And The Jesuits PDFs This Revelation Timeline Decoded Bible study gives links to PDFs of books that expose the papacy and Jesuits. The Amazing Discoveries website removed the page the list page of these books, which is suspicious. So I’ve recreated the list and links, as the PDFs are still hosted on their website. I have not read all of the books, so I can’t vouch for all of the explanations, but they are worth reading as the enemy tries to hide its evil ways. David's Channel https://www.youtube.com/@EndTimesDeceptions

Are you being lied to? Is the antichrist already here?

Discussing the insanity after my Daniel 9 Debate

My Daniel 9 Debate with Josh Morales - Is the 70th Week Future - Hosted by PraiseIAmThatIAm https://www.youtube.com/live/amhUS1igpVw?si=-ALXgpW5jIVsNnZm if you want to see more from that same channel

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For full video: https://youtu.be/t5SD79C1KAQ?si=cdOXM-SduoGuMtya And find His Channel there as well