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RUSH TRANSCRIPT: SAPHIER: “He covered a lot.” HURT: “He sure did and pointed out most women are probably not going to want to play against somebody like Lawrence Taylor, probably accurate. That was an amazing speech, spoke for an hour and a half. City officials and town officials told the Associated Press, 100,000 people there. People camped out overnight. This is why Democrats are terrified of Donald Trump. This is why they will stop at nothing to stop him because there’s no Democrat, no politician today who can draw a crowd like Donald Trump draws and a speech like that is entertaining, he’s at the beach in the fairgrounds, some training on his face, he can do it in a way that keeps people’s attention for an hour and a half and that’s serious political power and Democrats literally don’t know what to do what about it so the best shot they have is to fight him in court.”

RUSH TRANSCRIPT: Wallace: “And that is the continuing debate about how we in the media should be covering both of these candidates. And it really became kind of a debate this week. Former Obama advisers they‘re Dan Pfeiffer went after The New York Times and he said that they do not see their job as saving democracy or stopping and authoritarian from taking power. The times executive editor Joe khan responded, that‘s essentially saying that the news media should become a propaganda arm for a single candidate. Right-hand, should the media report more on an I say this some quotes that Trump threat.” SALAM: “Look, the media is very pluralistic in our society, yhat‘s a good and healthy thing. And there‘s an awful lot of prestige media that is fixated on this idea of Donald Trump as a threat. And in doing so so in many cases, they‘ve torched and undermine their credibility as independent, neutral arbiters of the truth. I think that‘s what Joe kahn was reacting to this sense that actually there are an awful lot of Americans who are tuning out prestige mainstream establishment media that has been basically why New York Times let me, let me say that.” SWISHER: “First of all, Dan didn‘t say quite what he was Joe was asked Joe calm was as secondly, this quote was, I get that, but chilcott, nobody thinks they‘re the state news agency. He said that they would state news agency. He was basically saying pfeiffer and a lot of people look, yeah. I now say negative things about Biden and do all of that. But there is an existential threat. He claims to the democracy and that needs to be emphasized, right?” Garcia-NAVARRO: “But I think Joe kahn went too far what I have to be the Chinese news? I was like, what more covering of the threat to democracy I think I think The New York Times justifiably gets joked about in New York Times, pitch bought for saying whatever happens, there‘s three people in a diner in I do work for The New York Times, so it feels odd that we‘re discussing The New York Times and I‘m not going to say this. Let me, let me just say one thing which we‘re not talking about. The but but but I want to I want to use this as an example and I think it works for The New York Times as it does for any other mainstream media, which is this, if you look over the past two days, you‘ve had an article on the an investigation into a worm in the brain of Kennedy. You‘ve had huge investigation into Donald Trump‘s use of anti-Semitic tropes and language and how unbelievably hypocritical it is for people on the right to be going after what‘s your take on the left and no an investigation into Biden. And so what I‘m saying is, what are we trying to do here in the media? Are we trying to say two people you need to understand this in this particular way. We need to lecture you, or we are going to respect people to be able to look at all these facts and make their own decisions. And I would argue, we are trying we are trying to respect our audience and what The New York Times is doing is a very robust interrogation of everyone.” SWISHER: “Well, I think there are justifiable criticism about The New York Times coverage. I won‘t go into it.”

RUSH TRANSCRIPT: Steele: “Look, it’s campaigning 101. This is why I emphasize a lot to folks when we get into the political cycles. Please stop watching and fondling national polling.” Sanders: “I thought you were going to tell them not to watch us.” Steele: “I would never say that. It distorts the lens. It is not where the meat is on the ground being round up. It’s that sort of local flavor because that will bubble up international polling in September and October. Not so much now because folks are getting ready for graduations and makeup parties and they got going on. They are getting ready to go to the beach. September, labor day, everyone settles down, everybody gets into their groove and they been fed a steady diet of the local news. And they are reading and watching the local news channel. That comes back in play. It’s a smart strategy and to put that in place. We were talking in the last — this whole effort to do the counterprogramming. Talk a little bit from your experience, both if you can, inside the White House of making that political move when you have the forces inside the White House going, we still must be presidential.”

RUSH TRANSCRIPT: BAIER: “Trey, to Charlie’s point, Hamas has now bombed this one crossing, Karam Shalom four times. That is the place where aid was supposed to be coming into Gaza and Rafah.” GOWDY: “Yeah, I mean good luck if your general election message is we were tougher on Israel than we were on Iran or Hamas. I think if he were smart about it, he would realize that these young progressives or anarchists on their own college campuses are not going to vote for Donald Trump. But people who don’t like lawlessness, who are watching these images, who are listening to the squad beat up on the police and side with criminality, he is going to lose their vote. He has got a political calculus, I just delight in the fact that it is not the Republican Party being drugged by their base, it is now the Democrats.”

RUSH TRANSCRIPT: Steele: “So, Jen, how is the family?” PSAKI: “Well, while you were watching Susanne about this story —“ Sanders: “I am concerned. He wants to be president.” PSAKI: “This is 2024, everyone so here we are. But also there was a poll this week and they were talking about Wisconsin or if he is in the race and on a ballot in Wisconsin, he gets 12% of the vote. Polls are imperfect and are testing a moment in time, but dad worms, conspiracy theories, all the things aside — but also, my larger point is this man is a real threat.”

RUSH TRANSCRIPT: BAIER: “Charlie, it is not getting a ton of coverage other places. What about this in this moment, what happened this week?” HURT: “Well, it is pretty extraordinary especially when you look at those clips of Joe Biden talking 15 years ago versus today. The time for debating about whether or not American taxpayers should be paying for aid to Israel is over and done. Congress voted on this. The idea, that the president is trying to hold up weapons and hold up what Congress allocated for Israel because he claims his concern is that Israel is obstructing aid from getting to civilians in Gaza is pretty extraordinary, especially when you consider the one thing that no one disputes is that Hamas has been from the beginning blocking aid from getting to civilians in Gaza. I think what we are looking at right now is this weird situation where the protesters on college campuses have taken over the White House and basically are dictating foreign policy for Joe Biden in the White House.”

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MORROW: “Let’s go to our next guest, Fox News contributor Joe Concha. Joe, thanks so much for coming on the U.S. Report. And Joe Biden, I tell you what, he’s not looking too great. First, we had the stories that all of his aides had to walk around him when he was going to the helicopter so that he didn’t, you know, show off his stumbles too much. And now his handlers are reportedly, quote, looking to shorten his speeches, in what a Biden campaign spokesman claims is about an effort to have quality over quantity. Now, I’m not buying this. What about you, Joe?” CONCHA: “Oh, I think think that if you’re trying to win the presidency again, you can’t do it by pleading the Fifth, right? And the shortened Biden speeches, it only makes sense because we’ve seen him time and again lose battles against teleprompters where he’s literally reading — and you know what these are, James — cues in the teleprompter. So, when he’s told to pause after a sentence, he’s literally reading the word ‘pause’. Or, yesterday he read a speech about a guy that he said was drafted by the Green Bay Packers and his name was ‘Riley Last Name’. Literally like said that. So it’s Ron Burgundy over and over again. And then if Biden goes off script, then it’s cleanups on aisles 5, 16, 24, and 31 as far as either some sort of blatant lie that could be easily fact-checked, exaggeration that could be fact-checked, or some story that makes zero sense. So here we have the sitting president of the United States, the so-called leader of the free world, and his handlers are petrified to put him out there in any way, shape or form because they know that he’s not aging like a fine wine but like cottage cheese at this point.” MORROW: “Well, yeah, indeed. I mean, you know, cottage cheese, does that go well with his Uncle Bosey who apparently got eaten by cannibals the other week, according to him? But you know, as you say, it’s like the teleprompter, if I was to just simply say ‘Google bans Trump ad,’ which is the prompt in front of me, he would just read that, instead of saying last week a pro-Trump ad targeting black voters in Georgia was removed by Google for allegedly violating policy. Joe, let’s have a quick look at this policy violation.” [Clip starts] UNKNOWN: “Hello, I’m with the Biden campaign.” VOTER: “Yeah, yeah, I voted for Biden last time.” UNKNOWN: “That’s fantastic.” VOTER: “Is it? Everything costs more — food, gas, rent.” UNKNOWN: “Okay, but Biden’s helping pay rent for newcomers to America from around the world.” VOTER: “You mean illegal immigrants? I’m struggling to pay my bills, but Biden’s paying rent for illegals? They get handouts and I’m paying for it.” UNKNOWN: “But Biden can still count on your vote, right?” VOTER: “Things were better before Biden. I’m voting for Trump.” [Clip ends] MORROW: “Clearly, that ad was so effective, someone just didn’t want people to see it. Is this a sign of things to come with Big Tech trying to put their thumb on the scale of the coming election?” CONCHA: “Oh James, we’ve seen this movie over and over again as far as Big Tech getting involved in these situations and outright censorship by Google in this situation. You watched that ad, you tell me what the violation was exactly as far as anything that was spoken about. Gas prices and food prices are higher than they were when Joe Biden took office, significantly higher. And many black voters here in this country are not happy at all that illegal immigrants are coming into this country and being given all this free stuff in terms of lodging, in terms of phones, in terms of credit cards and food, and they see their social services collapsing around them because we’re spending all this money taking care of illegals. So, I don’t understand what was wrong with that ad that was remotely controversial. But Google obviously doesn’t think there’s something wrong with the ad too. But you’re right, they are trying to weaponize Big Tech once again. We’ll see it from Facebook, we’ll see it from Google. We won’t see it from X, I don’t think, because Elon Musk is now the owner and things have changed over there. But I think people are on to this and probably now this ad’s going to be seen by more people because it went viral on social media anyway than they would have if Google just allowed it to be played.”

MELUGIN: “So look, Stormy Daniels wrapped up her testimony yesterday. Extremely salacious stuff, a lot of it having absolutely nothing to do with the case. She said she could talk to dead people yesterday. Then we got Michael Cohen, set to testify on Monday. He’s been live streaming on TikTok, trying to raise money wearing shirts showing Trump behind bars in jail. This is the prosecution’s star witnesses?” TERRELL: “Yeah. And they have not produced any evidence against President Trump. I wanted to — I want the Fox viewers to understand one thing. There are going to be some jury instructions. And that jury instruction is going to say, if you don’t — if you do not believe a witness testimony on one element, you can disbelieve everything. Stormy Daniels has no evidence whatsoever against President Trump. Her credibility is shot. Was she in for the money or was she not in for the money? The question is, what was her motivation? The fact is that Stormy Daniels provided nothing but to do harm to President Trump. Her testimony was solely for that purpose. Michael Cohen, the attorney for Trump, is going to try to throw Trump under the bus based on testimony and advice that he gave. I would submit to you, Bill, that there has been no evidence whatsoever from Stormy Daniels or from Michael Cohen next week, and this trial is for one purpose only, to hurt Trump chances in November 2024. It’s not going to work. Look at the polling. It’s a complete failure on the part of the Democrat Party and the judge.”

MCGRAW: “There was a headline in an American newspaper today that said, ‘Betrayed.’ And it had a picture of President Biden and a picture of you. And it talked about President Biden saying he was not going to release armament that was committed 1,800, 2,000 pound, bomb 1,700, 500 pound bombs, if in fact you went in to Rafah. And so the headline was ‘Betrayed.’ And then in a interview on CNN. He said, I’m not going to do that, because they’re using these bombs to, quote, ‘go after population centers. It’s just wrong.’ And I don’t know if that’s what he meant to say or not say, but you’re not using bombs to go after population centers, you’re using bombs to go after Hamas.” Netanyahu: “That’s right. Who’s hiding.” MCGRAW: “Sometimes they’re hiding in population centers.” Netanyahu: “But we are doing everything we can to let the people leave, with amazing efforts. But I think also that this is precision — precision weapons. So in fact, if you want to avoid civilian casualties, you need these weapons rather than imprecise weaponry. But I think beyond that, look, I’ve had — I’ve known Joe Biden for many years, 40 years and more. You know, we often had our agreements but we’ve had our disagreements. We’ve been able to overcome them. I hope we can overcome them now. But we will do what we have to do to protect our country and that means to protect our future. And that means we will defeat Hamas, including in Rafah. We have no other choice.”

[Clip starts] UNKNOWN: “The Biden Administration’s war on energy is reaching into the American home.” [Clip ends] STEWART: “While we were penising, apparently the Biden Administration is reaching around, into the American home!” [Clip starts] UNKNOWN: “Put a stop to the Department of Energy’s continued crackdown on American-made appliances.” (...) Allen: “Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that I would stand here on the House floor to defend my constituents’ appliances and gas stoves.” (...) LESKO: “I was proud to lead the House Republican effort to protect our gas stoves.” [Clip ends] STEWART: “They can take our lives, but they can never take our cooktops! Apparently this was a bill they passed to stop the Biden Administration’s new energy regulations. And look, I’m going to be 100% honest with everybody here: I’m on the Republicans’ side. I [bleep] hate electric stoves. I [bleep] hate them. I cannot cook unless I can see how high the flame is, and I’ll be damned if I start burning my signature bananas foster because Joseph Goebbels Biden is trying to ban gas stoves — I’m sorry, I’m being told that that’s not what’s happening. Apparently, the Department of Energy just set new efficiency standards for home appliances, and that 97% of gas stoves already meet the new standards. So, unless this is where you cook, you’re probably fine. And even so, at the end of the day, it’s just your gas stove.” [Clip starts] STEUBE: “It’s not just gas stoves. It’s your washer, your dryer, your dishwasher, and much more.” (...) DUNCAN: “They started with gas stoves...” [Clip ends] STEWART: “‘...and I did not speak up, for I was not a gas stove!’ Why do I do this Scottish accent for that? Isn’t that a German homily? Look, no disrespect to any of these [bleep] Idiots, but I think we can move household appliances down on the threat-to-democracy list, just below aluminum-free deodorant. Clearly, this was an overblown reaction.”

ZAKARIA: “So the whole system is broken. And Biden needs to confront that and say, you know, ‘We are going to have to reform the whole system.’ I would — I would wish he’d do something much more extreme, like say the old asylum system is dead. No one is coming in through that process. You have to apply from your home country.” HOOVER: “Which was a Trump policy.” ZAKARIA: “Which was a — you know, a Trump — and also the Mexico, you know, let — you have to be in Mexico —“ HOOVER: “Yeah.” ZAKARIA: “— to — to apply. I think that’s all correct.” HOOVER: “So strategically, you think that —“ ZAKARIA: “I think it would be —“ HOOVER: “— if Biden would tack —“ ZAKARIA: “Yeah.” HOOVER: “— towards Trump policies —“ ZAKARIA: “Yeah. And by the way, it’s —“ [crosstalk] HOOVER: “— he would have actually a better — better political chance.” ZAKARIA: “And it’s also the right policy because the — the old asylum system is being gamed —“ HOOVER: “Yeah.” ZAKARIA: “— by millions of people.”

STEWART: “But I think we can move household appliances down on the threats to democracy list, just below aluminum-free deodorant. Clearly, this was an overblown reaction. But that doesn’t mean that this trial coverage isn’t obscuring some true horrors.” [Clip starts] CAIN: “They’re dead. The Boy Scouts are dead.” (...) Hannity: “The Boy Scouts, we can pretty much declare, are dead!” [Clip ends] STEWART: “Oh, my God! The Boy Scouts are dead? While we were all fixated on the titillating details of the Stormy Daniels’ testimony, the Boy Scouts all died? I’m assuming in a terrible s’mores explosion, engineered by one Joseph ‘Charles Manson’ Biden!” [Clip starts] The boy scouts of America is changing its name for the first time in history. The organization will be renamed Scouting America to emphasize its commitment to inclusion of all youth.” [Clip ends] STEWART: “Oh. The Boy Scouts are alive, they just rebranded as an organization. Partly because they started letting girls in five years ago, and partly because they had a giant molestation scandal. I say that so that no one can hear me. A giant molestation scandal. Rebranding yourself is a tried-and-true formula for many such organizations. In fact, it’s why the Catholic Church now goes by the name Gary. (Laughter and Applause) So — I feel terrible for anybody at home named Gary right now. So what is the issue? [Clip starts] COMPAGNO: “There used to be sacred organizations where the children could really flourish.” (...) NEWSMAX Reporter 1: “Is anything sacred, Bob Brooks?” NEWSMAX Reporter 2: “No.” [Clip ends] STEWART: “Yeah. Nothing is sacred. What did happen to all those sacred organizations, Gary? (Laughter) But as you all were saying?” [Clip starts] SCHLAPP: “What happens to institutions in America, and really all over the world, is patriotic people start these institutions and the left must destroy it. It’s a sad day when young boys can’t learn how to be strong men. We’ve wrecked it. Actually, they wrecked it.” [Clip ends] STEWART: “Okay, I don’t want to break character here or anything, but this [bleep] , this guy, who is blaming the left for the loss of our institutions where young boys can become strong men, his name is Matt Schlapp. You may remember him, he’s the head of the American Conservative Union. You may remember him as the strong man who was sued, this guy was sued by another fella for non-consensually grabbing his dick in 2022. (Audience reacts) Yeah. That only got dropped after a reported $480,000 settlement. The point being, when this guy talks about the depravity of our institutions, he knows of what he speaks. (Laughter and Applause) All this false outrage is starting to make me cynical about America’s media ecosystem. Is there anything else going on that does merit a DEFCON 1 freak-out?”

UNKNOWN: “The biggest thing is that we do not control the border. The cartel controls the border. Everything that we do is a reaction to things t hat they have planned. Usually, we’re chasing around pawns while the kings and queens are doing whatever they want.”

Biden: “It’s been a banger year for women’s basketball. More watching you all than anybody else. The most watched women’s college game ever. It matters to girls and women finally seeing themselves represented. And it matters to all of America. That’s why, as a nation, we need to support women’s sports. By showing — (applause) — by showing up in person, watching on TV with more sponsorships and programming, and helping grow the business of women’s sports and keep — that keep inspire, you keep inspiring an entire nation. That’s not hyperbole. You really do. Think about what this year has been.”

UNKNOWN: “ — protests, as we see in the U.S.?” THUNBERG: “I think they should be everywhere. And, once again, young people are leading the way, showing the world how we should react to this.”

RUBIN: “And, you know, as I remind our viewers all the time, Chris and Andrea, I sat through two E. Jean Carroll trials and two cross examinations of E. Jean Carroll, and I have to tell you, I agree with Sue wholeheartedly. This was very much what I call a nuts and sluts defense. There was a portion of the cross examination where Susan Necheles was focused on the fact that Stormy Daniels now claims that she is a medium and that she communicates with dead people and has participated in a TV — TV series about the paranormal where she explores things, including the fact that at one point an ex-boyfriend of hers was inhabited by spirits. She was mocking Stormy Daniels. She wants the jury to think Stormy Daniels is a liar, and she is crazy, and she also wants the jurors to judge her for her occupation, and Stormy Daniels gave no ground on that. As Sue just said, she might be an exotic dancer and adult film actor, but she was very clear when Susan Necheles used the phrase ‘selling yourself’ to describe what Stormy Daniels was doing on a tour where she was making appearances at clubs, Stormy Daniels set her straight. ‘I was not selling myself, I was dancing.’ The implication always was I am not a sex worker and I don’t have a sign around my neck that says consent given freely to everyone at any time. She was a woman who seemed pretty self-possessed, in control of her own body and wanting to maintain essentially — to quote Pretty Woman — I say who, I say when, and not you know, Donald Trump was mine — that I was for the taking by this man. I increasingly see what Trump did to Stormy Daniels and she’s used the phrase what happened to me more insidiously than I think I ever have. It is a reinforcement of the predator frame that the Access Hollywood tape introduced. It brought into full vision a very new Donald Trump. Not just a Donald Trump who was womanizing and liked beautiful women and was one of the world’s most eligible bachelors, as David Pecker described him, but a Trump who knew what he was doing and wasn’t just hitting on people, but making it impossible for them to escape or at least downright uncomfortable. And Stormy Daniels today, I agree with Sue, the temperature was down but the self-possession was up and she would not give up. My favorite answer that she gave was when Susan Necheles basically said to her, you make things up like this all the time. You’ve acted in over 200 pornographic movies and those are all made-up. And she said, if I was going to make this up, I would have made it a much better story.”

RAPAPORT: “Smoking Joe Biden, Cadaver Joe Biden. You know who I am? You know my work. I’m the one who came up with. I’m the one who invented D*** Stain Donald Trump, Pig D*** Donald Trump. That’s me. That’s my work. I didn’t ask for a thank you. I didn’t ask for an invite to the White House and everybody and anybody shows up at the White House these days. I did it for the love. I did it for the love because I couldn’t stand that motherf***er. And you dumb old motherf***er. You have the f******. You bat s*** old f*** you. You’re not sending weapons to Israel during a f****** war, while American hostages, American hostages and hostages from 22 countries are still in that f****** **** ***. You’re not sending weapons now. You dumb f***. You — let me tell you something, man. I never ever ever thought I would say this, OK? But I could promise you this right now Smoking Joe Biden, Cadaver Joe Biden. Me, Michael Rapaport, I’m not voting for you. You’re not getting my vote. And plenty of us also ain’t voting for you. You f*** you. I said it once and I’ll say it again. This is why voting for D*** Stain Donald Trump, Pig D*** Donald Trump is on the f****** table.”

[Clip starts] Biden: “It was 9 percent when I came into office, nine percent.” Reporter (voice-over): “Inflation was actually 1.4 percent when Biden was sworn in peaking at 9.1 percent in June 2022. It has since come down to 3.5 percent, preventing a further drop housing costs. In New York City one survey found rent is rising seven times faster than wages. In California, a condo in West Hollywood just sold for record smashing $24 million. Food costs also playing a role, grocery prices are up 26 percent since 2019, and fast food prices are up 33 percent. Many consumers saying enough is enough.” UNKNOWN FEMALE: “I don’t mean to be broke. But for an 8 count menu and a lemonade, $14.” UNKNOWN FEMALE: “I joked that this was fine dining now because I might as well go at a sit-down restaurant and be served if I’m going to pay those type of prices.” [Clip ends]

Biden: “Well, so — but, I mean, no president has had the run we’ve had in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9 percent when I came to office. Nine percent.”

BURNETT: “Consumer confidence, maybe no surprise, is near a two-year low. With less than six months to go to Election Day, are you worried that you’re running out of time to turn that around?” Biden: “We’ve already turned it around. Look — look at the Michigan survey. 65 percent of American people think they’re in good shape economically. They think their nation is not in good shape, but they’re personally in good shape. The polling data has been wrong all along. How many — you guys do a poll at CNN. How many folks you have to call to get one response? The idea that we’re in a situation where things are so bad, folks — I mean, we’ve created more jobs. We’ve made — we’re in a situation where people have access to good-paying jobs. And the last I saw, the combination of the inflation, the cost of inflation and all those things, that’s really worrisome to people, with good reason. That’s why I’m working very hard to bring the cost of rentals down, to increase the number of homes that are available. Let me say it this way. When I started this administration, people were saying there was going to be a collapse of the economy. We have the strongest economy in the world. Let me say it again, in the world.” BURNETT: “Although, GDP last week was far short of expectations.” Biden: “Oh, it wasn’t — look, GDP still — look at the response of the markets, overwhelmingly positive. Overwhelmingly positive. And one of the reasons why people feel good about it, not being as strong as it was before, is they believe that the Fed’s going to respond.” BURNETT: “They hope they’re going to get a rate cut.” Biden: “Yeah. Well, so — but, I mean, no president has had the run we’ve had in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9 percent when I came to office. 9 percent. But, look, people have a right to be concerned. Ordinary people, the idea that you’re — you bounce a check and you get a $30 fee for bouncing a check. I changed that. Can’t charge more than $8 for that. Or your credit card. You know, your late payment, $35. I mean, there’s corporate greed going on out there and it’s got to be dealt with.”

CABRERA: “Other thing interesting in this polling was more independents said that they worry about President Biden weakening democracy than Trump, 53 percent to 42 percent. What do you make of this?” DEL PERCIO: “I find it shocking, honestly. I — I can’t — I can’t you know, make sense of that number. I wish I could. I wish I had some really great insight to it. But I — I don’t know if it’s an outlier or not, because the other numbers with independents and Biden are going in the right direction. So that may be it. But also just one thing I want to add on to what Basil said. You know, this trial is not on TV. You guys do a great job reporting what’s happening, but if there aren’t those images coming out of the courthouse, people feel like they know this story. We kind of — we’ve heard about it for a long time. So it doesn’t surprise me that they’re not interested.” CABRERA: “Well, thank you both so much for being here. Basil Smikle, Susan del Percio, it’s nice to see you.”

SCARBOROUGH: “Madam Secretary, you know, yesterday, we interviewed Andrew Ross Sorkin, who talked to one of the Founders of well of Silicon Valley revolution in the — in the late 80s, early 90s, who said, as much as we’re talking about AI, we’re not talking about it enough. I feel the same about Donald Trump. We, fortunately, we talk about him so much in the media that, that that it’s just, it’s just hard to do it. It just really gets nauseating after a while. At the same time, a fear that for some Americans, they’re not focusing enough on a president who said he would be a dictator on day one, that he would terminate the Constitution, that he would execute the chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff’s, that he would immediately jail reporters who he didn’t like, that he would immediately find guilty of treason news organizations that didn’t talk the way he wanted them to talk or run the way they wanted him to run. We can go down the list. He said he was going to fire U.S. attorneys that wouldn’t immediately jail his political opponents. We can go on and on. And I find myself thinking back and people will say I’m being too dramatic, I don’t think I am. I’m thinking back to Richard Cohen column there was written probably in 2007, 2008, where he talked about this scene around a lake in Germany, in 1937, and how peaceful, how beautiful it was, and everybody was going about their business. 1937 kids were playing. And — and then he — he said nobody saw it coming. Nobody saw it. A year later, the world had changed. Jews were being rounded up, slaughtered, executed. So we find ourselves in this sort of a dilemma, we seem to talk about him so much and yet, I don’t know that people are really getting their arms around just what a threat, a democracy, American democracy, the American experiment is facing right now. Help us out with that, if you will.” Clinton: “You know, Joe, I — I think you make a really important point. I mean, it’s one thing to cover the circus, and the circus is covered. I mean, people can’t stop covering the circus, every utterance, every insult every outrageous action or comment, it gets covered. The context is often missing. What does that really mean? And I think it’s imperative, especially for members of the press who understand, as you were just pointing out, the world has been here before, people did not take the kind of threats that we saw in the 1930s as seriously as they should, including American journalists. You know, people were taking at face value that oh, this can be controlled. He may have said some outrageous things, but you know, it’ll — it’ll — the institutions will hold. A determined demagogue, unfortunately supported by members of his political party, other enablers, people who care more about a future tax cut than the sanctity of the Constitution are falling in line behind him. They are trying to excuse some of the most outrageous things that you just recited. And I don’t think the press has done enough to basically say, OK, the circus is here. You can watch the circus. But let’s tell you what that means. Let’s talk to people who have a real understanding of how dictatorships evolve. Let’s look at the people that he admires, and what they’ve already done. You know, back in 2016, we didn’t have interviews with him. We didn’t have a track record of four years in office. You know, there was a lot of speculation. And, you know, I understood that people wouldn’t take what I said, necessarily as gospel about what I thought could happen, I get that. But now we know. We — we’ve seen him, and we’ve heard him. And so we need to do —“ BRZEZINSKI: “Right.” Clinton: “— a better job of making it absolutely clear that someone who says these things, you know, maybe he wouldn’t jail all of his political opponents. One is one too many. Maybe he wouldn’t try to force out of business, the members of the press who didn’t agree with him. One is one too many. We’d go down the line. And maybe this would be our last election. Because someone who will not accept the validity of an election is someone who doesn’t believe in elections. He believes in his own power, his own right to power and his demand that he be installed regardless of whether he gets the votes or not.”

GUTFELD: “Well, Marie, he is pointing this whole thing at you. You have a chance to respond.” HARF: “I felt that. So, here’s the difference. January 6th was encouraged by Donald Trump.” GUTFELD: “When he said peaceful?” HARF: “When he said, ‘Go down to the Capitol, I’m going to be with you — ‘“ GUTFELD: “‘Be peaceful.’” HARF: “All of his — “ GUTFELD: “Why do you avoid that?” HARF: “Because, Greg, that does not erase the months of rhetoric where he was encouraging groups to protest the result of this election.” GUTFELD: “Peacefully.” HARF: “No, no, no. He took away — “ GUTFELD: “You hate — hate the words he says.” HARF: “You hate — “ GUTFELD: “No, I’m actually saying what he said.” HARF: “You ignore many of the words he said. To bring this to today, though, the comparison, one of the reasons these protesters are out in the streets is Joe Biden is standing squarely by Israel. Joe Biden, John Fetterman, Tony Blinken, these are the people in the administration who are standing so squarely by Israel that a lot of progressives are angry at them. So the difference is, Donald Trump encouraged political violence from his supporters on January 6 — “ GUTFELD: “No, he didn’t. You didn’t prove that.” HARF: “ — and Joe Biden is doing something these protesters are angry about, because he is refusing to back away from Israel. And the one question he answered when he gave remarks last week was, ‘Have these protests changed your policy?’ And he said, ‘No.’” GUTFELD: “I don’t think Trump ever encouraged people to get in other people’s faces. The Democrats did.” HARF: “He absolutely did. 100%.” GUTFELD: “Show me that clip.” HARF: “I will roll that footage.” GUTFELD: “All right, I gotta go to judge. We gave you your chance, Marie.”

BURNETT: “I want to ask you about something happening as we sit here and speak, and that, of course, is Israel striking Rafah. I know that you have paused, Mr. President, shipments of 2000-pound U.S. bombs to Israel due to concern that they could be used in any offensive on Rafah. Have those bombs, those powerful 2000-pound bombs, been used to kill civilians in Gaza?” Biden: “Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers. I made it clear that if they go into Rafah — they haven‘t gotten to Rafah yet — they go into Rafah, I‘m not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with Rafah, to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem. We‘re going to continue to make sure Israel is secure in terms of Iron Dome and their ability to respond to attacks like came out of the — least recently. But it‘s just wrong. We‘re not gonna supply the weapons and artillery shells used — that have been used — “ BURNETT: “Artillery shells as well?” Biden: “Yeah, artillery shells.” BURNETT: “So, just to understand what they‘re doing right now in Rafah, is that not going into Rafah as you don‘t — “ Biden: “They haven‘t gone in the population centers. What they did is right on the border and it‘s causing problems with, right now, in terms of what Egypt, which I‘ve worked very hard to make sure we have a relationship and help. But I‘ve made it clear to Bibi and the war cabinet. They‘re not going to get our support if, in fact, they go in these population centers. We’E not walking away from Israel‘s security, we’re walking away from Israel‘s ability to wage war in those areas.” BURNETT: “So it‘s not over your red line yet?” Biden: “Not yet, but it‘s — we‘ve held up the weapons. We‘ve held up that one shipment as an old shipment design for them. We held that up.”