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FLAHERTY: “You know, one of the smartest things that I think the party did itself was over the last couple of years, they actually invested in a team that Tim runs, and you’ll hear from Tim, to detect and — and track misinformation and misinformation narratives in the sort of various corners of the Internet, and then actually go out and — and flag it to platforms as — as a violation of their policy. And so, that work — I mean — the — the — the stuff that — that they did was a critical asset. (...) That piece of infrastructure, I think, was one of the more important decisions that was made in — in sort of the party space over the last couple of years.”

He said we shouldn‘t allow weapons that, ‘I used in war’ to be on America‘s streets. Well, I wonder Tim Waltz, when were you ever in war? When was this — what was this weapon that you carried into war, given that you abandoned your unit right before they went to Iraq, and he has not spent a day in a combat zone? What bothers me about Tim Walz is the Stolen Valor garbage. Do not pretend to be something that you‘re not.” [Clip ends] KEILAR: “And with us now is our Tom Foreman. And Tom, you have a fact check on this for us.” FOREMAN: “Yeah. As you’d expect, often with team Trump out there, there‘s some truth, there is some falsehood in it. Let‘s start with the initial claim there. The notion that somehow what Tim Walz did was dodge going to service, he was in the Guard for 24 years, J.D. Vance was in the Marines for four years. Yes, while he was in there, he filed papers to run for Congress in February of 2005. He retired from his Guard unit that May. The orders to deploy did not come until two months after that. So the claim that he was somehow dodging going over here after 24 years of service and saying, ‘Well, I just don‘t want to go to combat,’ there‘s just no evidence to back that up right now. Did J.D. Vance go and serve over there? Yes, he did go, as he said he did. And Tim Walz has said he thanks J.D. Vance for his service and honors that service. That‘s one part of it. The second part of it, though, is this notion about — the claim about being in actual combat. That‘s different. Walz did make a comment speaking to a group, he‘s done it a couple of times, where he has used language that has suggested that he carried weapons in a fighting situation. As you know, with your contact with the military, I know from coming from a military family, there is a difference between being in a combat area, being involved at a time of war, and actually being in a position where people are shooting at you. There is no evidence that at any time Governor Walz was in a position of being shot at, and some of his language could easily be seen to suggest that he was. So that is absolutely false when he said that about — about gun rights out there. The campaign has essentially come forward to say, look, he had a long career, he would never want to purposely mislead people about this, is what campaigns tend to say. And I‘m sure we haven‘t heard the end of this, but it‘s an interesting argument that brings to mind past conflicts we‘ve had in politics where military people start going at each other and then you start saying, ‘Well, what is the basis for this? How much of it is true and what are we to draw from that as voters?’” KEILAR: “Yeah, sort of besmirching each other’s service, right? In this case, yeah, the quote was, ‘We can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons are at.’ And certainly for someone that wasn’t familiar with their record, they might draw a different conclusion.” FOREMAN: “And people who aren‘t aware of the nuances of that language, ‘Carried in war’ to most of us means, ‘I carried it into a search situation where I was shooting at other people, they were shooting back at me.’ Other people might say, ‘Well, it was a wartime. I was posted forward, I was deployed.’ The fact that that never happened — my father served in Korea. I have pictures of him serving on post, holding his weapon behind sandbags. He was never shot at, nor did he ever shoot at anybody else. So, he can say he served in war. He never really did because it wasn‘t combat as such.”

WALZ: “It does need to be addressed.” Reporter: “What’s your background and how did somebody from Nebraska end up in Minnesota?” WALZ: “Yeah. Well, my wife from Minnesota, so she took me there. Actually, it was based on — the educational system in Minnesota was one that we kind of aspired to teach, and so I ended up in southern Minnesota. My wife’s been there for many generations.” Reporter: “And your military background?” WALZ: “I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full-time. I was an artilleryman. I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. My battalion provided base security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England in the early stages of the war in Afghanistan, and that same battalion is now in Iraq at this time.”

Reporter: “Last night, Governor Walz suggested that because of your Ivy League education and the Silicon [Valley] backing your political career, that you yourself are part of the elite. What are your first impressions of them trying to frame you this way to the American public?” Vance: “Well, look, I came from a family where nobody in my family had ever gone to law school. I was — I grew up in a poor family. The fact that Tim Walz wants to turn it into a bad thing, that I actually worked myself through college, through law school and made something myself. To me, that’s the American dream. And if Tim Walz wants to insult it, I think that’s frankly pretty bizarre. Now look, what I — what — what really bothers me about Tim Walz, it’s not even the positions that he’s taken, though certainly he has been a far left radical. You know, what really bothers me about Tim Walz as a Marine who served his country in uniform? When the United States Marine Corps, when the United States of America asked me to go to Iraq to serve my country, I did it. I did what they asked me to do it and I did it honorably, and I’m very proud of that service. When Tim Walz was asked by his country to go to Iraq, you know what he did? He dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him. A fact that he’s been criticized for aggressively by a lot of the people that he served with. I think it’s shameful to prepare your unit to go to Iraq, to make a promise that you’re going to follow through and then to drop out right before you actually have to go. I also think it’s dishonest. Something — again, if you guys ever get an opportunity to ask Tim Walz or Kamala Harris some questions, he made this interesting comment that the Kamala Harris campaign put out there, and I bet they’re regretting they put it out there now because he said that we — and he was making a point about gun control — he said, we shouldn’t allow weapons that I used in war to be on America’s streets. Well, I wonder Tim Walz, when were you ever in war? When was this — what was this weapon that you carried into war, given that you abandoned your unit right before they went to Iraq and he has not spent a day in a combat zone? What bothers me about Tim Walz is the stolen valor garbage. Do not pretend to be something that you’re not. And if he wants to criticize me for getting an Ivy League education, I’m proud of the fact that my mamaw supported me, that I was able to make something of myself. I’d be ashamed if I was him and I lied about my military service like he did. Sir.” (Applause)

[Clip starts] WALZ: “Don’t ever — don’t ever shy away from our progressive values. One person’s socialism is another person’s neighborliness. Just do the damn work.” [Clip ends] LOWRY: “No, that’s not how any of this works. A neighbor comes to me, I let him borrow my rake. That’s neighborliness. Elderly woman across the street needs her sidewalk shoveled in the snowstorm, that’s neighborliness. We all get together, we throw a block party, that’s neighborliness, real human-to-human personal connection, no government involved, no coercion involved. That’s called civil society, it existed long before the development of socialist doctrine, existed long before the practice of socialism, and will exist long after socialism is dead and forgotten. Socialism at its best is impersonal and inefficient, at its worst inhumane and monstrous. So don’t conflate neighborliness with socialism, governor. Although if you do come by, I will let you borrow my rake, even though I don’t really trust you.”

Mitchell: “J.D. Vance has criticized him as never having been in combat. And — and —“ Pelosi: “Has he? Has he?” Mitchell: “Well —“ Pelosi: “Has J.D. Vance been in combat?” Mitchell: “Well, he was over in Iraq, I think, as — you know, as a public relations officer, as a communications officer. I think that’s the case. But he’s also said that this is anti-Semitic, that — he — that Josh Shapiro was not chosen because he wasn’t against Israel enough.” Pelosi: “Let me say this. We — the America — we have some challenges in our country. As I say all the time, what matters are the kitchen table issues for the American people. What matters is the distinction between the two visions for our country and the experience that has been brought. Joe Biden — 16 million jobs created. I don’t like to use his name, but Donald Trump — the worst job creation record —“ Mitchell: “What about the —“ Pelosi: “— since Herbert Hoover.” Mitchell: “What about —“

Smith: “It’s gonna be really important that she — I was not kidding. If you go to KamalaHarris.com right now, there is nothing on there about the economy and how she plans to fix things for the American people. She said she is going to champion the middle class. This is what matters to them: grocery prices, utility bills, gas prices. Hello?” GUTFELD: “I mean, Jesse, let’s talk about prices — hold on. Have you noticed a drastic leap in the prices for Cialis and Rogaine?” (Laughter) WATTERS: “I know Rogaine has doubled. You would have to ask Tyrus about the Cialis.” PIRRO: “Oh!” GUTFELD: “You are a dead man.” WATTERS: “Shoot.” PIRRO: “Dead to me anyway.” GUTFELD: “I think I can hear his footsteps coming over from Studio D.” PIRRO: “Yes, he’s coming down the hall. He’s in today.” WATTERS: “He was the first name that popped into my head. I was just [inaudible] last week.” PIRRO: “Take it back. WATTERS: “I’m not taking it back, I said it. I said it! He said worse about me.” PIRRO: “He has?” WATTERS: “Probably. Everybody has.”

Trump: “Well, I am. I’m going to be doing that, what he is doing, what he wants. If you look at his record with no walls, no security, let everybody in, he’s worse than they are. You know, nobody knew how radical left she was, but he’s a smarter version of her, if you want to know the truth. He’s probably about the same as Bernie Sanders. He’s probably more so than Bernie Sanders. She is more so than Bernie Sanders. That’s got to be your guide Bernie Sanders, and that’s not a great guide. But this is — there’s never been a ticket like this. This is a ticket that would want this country to go communist immediately, if not sooner. We want no security. We want no anything. He’s very heavy into transgender, anything transgender he thinks is great. And he’s not where the country is on anything.” DOOCY: “Mr. President, you —“ Trump: “This is a shocking — let me tell you, this is a shocking pick. And I think it’s very insulting to Jewish people. And I think it’s very insulting to people that want security. I think it’s very insulting to anything having to do with making America great again.”

Allison: “We’ve all had teachers. We’ve all had a coach. Whether we were good at sports or not, we know what it feels like to have a coach to lead and guide us. And that is what you heard tonight.” JENNINGS: “I thought the rewriting of the whole Covid narrative was just something to behold. I mean, this guy lies as easily as any national level Democrat. I mean, he was up there talking about Donald Trump and, you know, causing Covid and causing — destroyed our economy and so on. He had the most draconian lockdowns in the country. He talked about, ‘In our state...’” BASH: “When did he say that, Scott?” JENNINGS: “He did talk about it.” Allison: “He didn’t say ‘causing,’ he said he froze the economy.” JENNINGS: “Okay, pick your euphemism. I mean, he also talked about, ‘And here, neighbors respect neighbors, we mind our own business.’ He literally created a reporting system for people in Minnesota to snitch on their neighbors if they saw them violating his draconian lockdowns. They kept the schools locked down, the businesses locked down, they left the bars open, I think, but they closed the churches. And now to come back later and rewrite this and somehow blame this on Trump and rewrite this narrative, I was — I was — you know what, he lied really — he’s gonna fit right in on this ticket.” Jones: “You seem sadder today than you seemed two weeks ago.” JENNINGS: “Sadder?” Jones: “You seem sadder. (Laughs)” AXELROD: “So you think, if this is a contest about lies, that Trump‘s going to come out on top?”

BEHRENDS: “The public needs to know how pathetic his leadership was as a National Guardsman.” COLLIN: “On a 150-year-old farm in Brewster, Tom Behrends hopes his tell-it-like-it-is style will finally get the attention he believes it deserves in Minnesota’s race for governor. In a way, he’s back again to wage a public war of words against Tim Walz.” BEHRENDS: “He abandoned us. What the hell kind of leader does that? As soon as the shots were fired in Iraq, he turned and ran the other way and hung his hat up and quit.” COLLIN: “We’ll get to Behrends’ new message for voters in a moment, but this all starts years earlier, when Behrends says Walz’s misleading statements about his military service first led him to come forward in the fall of 2018. So you try to get this message out, but Minnesota’s largest newspaper checks it out, says it’s 100 percent true, but yet refuses to print?” BEHRENDS: “When I hung the phone up, I said, ‘What the hell, is this North Korea?’” COLLIN: “Back in 2005, a warning order went out to the First Battalion, 125th Field Artillery to mobilize for a mission to Iraq. At the time, Walz served as the unit’s highest non-commissioned officer. But months later, Walz would retire from the Guard, avoid the deployment and run for Congress. Tom Behrends was next in line for the position and was asked to take his place.” BEHRENDS: “I was like well, for Pete’s sake, if this guy quits, if I say I’m not going to do it, I mean, what the hell kind of leadership is that? If a company would say that we’re going to deploy to Iraq, or somewhere, and you’re going to be gone for whatever amount of time, and then the foreman just says, ‘no, I’m not going,’ what does that say to the 500 people that work in that factory?” COLLIN: “Behrends would go on to serve in Iraq on a nearly two-year deployment as a command sergeant major. All while Walz began using that title as a congressman. Behrends says he first contacted Walz with his concerns, sending these letters to Washington. They all went unanswered. But then we fast forward to the election in 2018 in Minnesota and you try at that time to get people’s attention with this story and also with what seems to be a very misleading statement that he continued to make about his service.” BEHRENDS: “It kind of just sat there, you know, when he was a congressman. He bragged that he was a retired command sergeant major and the highest-ranking person ever in the House. And, you know, all this lie that he was telling. The state of Minnesota came out after 2018 after this was exposed and they said, well, he can say that he served as a command sergeant major, but he can’t say he’s a retired one because he’s not.” COLLIN: “And that’s what he was saying.” BEHRENDS: “And he was saying that and there was lots of public, you know, lots of cards coming in the mail, you know, for him to be elected. They said, right on there, he’s a retired command sergeant major. Just tooting his own horn, just hanging on the coattails of people that actually are command sergeant majors that went through all the process and put all the time in.” COLLIN: “A spokesperson for the Minnesota National Guard said Walz wasn’t able to retire as a command sergeant major since he failed to complete coursework and requirements related to the rank. Verified documents show the Army corrected his service record. Walz was reduced in rank to an E8 Master Sergeant after retirement and his conditional promotion. Alpha News again asked Governor Walz if he’s using the command sergeant major rank on his campaign website for political gain this year. A spokesperson said this has been in the news before and pointed us to a past story where Walz said, quote: ‘Normally, this type of partisan political attack only comes from one who’s never worn a uniform.’” BEHRENDS: “It’s stolen valor, is really what it is. I don’t know if anybody else has done what he’s done. But we call it the truth about Tim Walz.” COLLIN: “In 2018, Behrends gave the story the full-court press.” BEHRENDS: “We, retired command sergeant majors of the Minnesota National Guard, feel it as our duty and responsibility to bring forth the truth as we know it, concerning his service record. I put together information on it and I sent it out to every single radio station and newspaper and TV station I could in the state. The bottom line in all of this is gut-wrenching and sad to explain. When the nation called, he quit.” COLLIN: “Twin Cities TV stations and the Star Tribune were silent even after Behrends says the newspaper checked it all out. The Star Tribune endorsed Walz in 2018 for governor. Between lockdowns, riots, unchecked crime and a charred police precinct, Behrends felt he had no choice but again to come forward.” BEHRENDS: “Allowing that to be burned down was just like having the Alamo get burned down. It’s like, no, you said you would defend that until the last man. You know, if he would have went to Iraq, he’d still be hiding under his desk over there. Because that’s just, you know, just the cowardice that I’ve seen portrayed with him.” COLLIN: “So how about when he also comes out and he calls you guys 19-year-old crooks?” BEHRENDS: “I’d take any 19-year-old crook before I’d go to war with him. I don’t know how he could even utter such a statement. I mean, it’s just, it’s just absolutely sad.” COLLIN: “So this election year, it’s all built up again to Behrends’ new green bin message.” BEHRENDS: “He called Jacob Frey an abject failure. So I was like, you know, that’s what he is.” COLLIN: “‘Walz is a traitor’ also made a return.” BEHRENDS: “And the last one I put together, he said it himself too, as well. If they don’t like my job, they can vote me out. So I wrote we got to vote him out, we need to vote him out.”

FARAH GRIFFIN: “It could very much work. They’re up against somebody with very, very little message discipline.” BASH: “And you were not so sure about Walz, you were — you can tell me if I‘m not characterizing your position this morning, right, I‘m sure you will, and — because there were Republicans who wanted Josh Shapiro — or were worried about Josh Shapiro.” Jones: “The Republicans were scared of Josh Shapiro. Republicans were scared of Mark Kelly. They were not scared of Governor Walz. But they should be. They should be. Because what you just saw night was extraordinary. This was somebody — I‘ve heard from my most conservative friends and my most liberal friends and even my radical friends, everybody‘s like, ‘This guy is amazing because he talks like a normal person about stuff that people really care about and it‘s effective.’ And to David‘s point, Trump was ready to go with strength versus weakness, ‘I‘m strong, Biden‘s weak, give me the job.’ This is not that. This is old and sorry and pathetic and boring and doom and gloom versus young and exciting and fresh and new. That‘s a different fight. It‘s the past versus the future. It’s a completely different fight. The other thing is that Kamala Harris has managed to do something without relying on Donald Trump to do it. She has united this party. We used to say that the only thing that united this party is Donald Trump. She‘s not talking about Donald Trump. She‘s talked about a future you can believe in. She‘s giving people hope. She picked somebody that did not look like her, ain’t from where she‘s from, and they fit together like Legos. It is an unbelievable feeling that‘s sweeping through the country, and Donald Trump is scared and he should be.”

WALZ: “I would say those first days, you know when there were riots, I could smell the burning tires, and that was — that was a very real thing. And I kept the windows open as long as I could because I felt like that was such a touchstone of what was — what was happening.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “Selina, Walz appears that fit that all-American definition of a man from medical middle America: high school teacher, football coach, member of the Army National Guard, before becoming a member of Congress and now governor.” WANG: “Exactly, he really has that perfect back story. He also has those rural roots. And he’s really emerged as the dark horse in this veep stakes race. He has emerged as the favorite very recently as he has been on the cables, on the network, showing that he can effectively push back on those Republican attacks. He’s the one, George, remember, who labeled JD Vance and his Republican allies as ‘weird,’ which gained a lot of steam with the Harris campaign. He has this folksy, personal, informal vibe that has really appealed to a lot of Democrats and they believed that his brutal back story, the fact that he was a former member of the NRA, as you say, he is this former high school teacher, he was a football coach, that this can help of appeal to those independent swing state voters. But it is unprecedented, George, how all of this has played out. I was told that, as of last night, according to sources, Vice President Harris still had not made her decision in that her team was printing out signs with multiple different candidates on it, ready to go at any moment. This decision coming down to the wire. Her and her close team had been keeping this decision under a lock and key. They wanted to avoid any leaks.”

NARRATOR: “Driver’s licenses for illegals, transgender surgeries for kids, BLM riots in our streets. This was Kamala Harris’s first decision as a presidential candidate. Kamala is dangerously liberal. We just can’t trust her.”

ACOSTA: “Do you think it was a little risky, though, Van, that she didn’t go with Shapiro to kind of lock down Pennsylvania? I mean, yes, David Chalian was saying earlier, just because you pick him as your running mate doesn’t mean you automatically win Pennsylvania. But I’ve got to think it would have helped just a little bit.” Jones: “Hey, listen, the conservatives, the right-wing, the Republicans, they were chewing their fingernails down to the knuckle because they were afraid of a Josh Shapiro. They’re afraid of a Mark Kelly. They’re not as afraid of this new governor because they think they can define him. But — so here’s the challenge you’ve got in this party. And, you know, people don’t want to talk about it, we got to talk about it. On the one hand, you have a lot of young people that are concerned about Gaza. You have a lot of Muslims and Arabs and others. They have not felt seen by the Biden Administration. You saw we start hearing that genocide Joe that was building, that was building. And so those folks needed to have a candidate that they could feel comfortable with. This helps them in that regard. But you also have anti-Semitism that has gotten marbled into this party. You can be for the Palestinians without being an anti-Jewish bigot. But there are some anti-Jewish bigots out there. And there’s some disquiet now. And there has to be. How much of what just happened is caving into some of these darker parts in the party? So that’s going to have to get worked out. It’s going to have to get talked through.”

Lee: “What an incredible contrast we have now on the Democratic ticket with Kamala Harris and Tim Walz on it at the same time. We have somebody in Kamala Harris who embodies the dynamism, the innovation of big cities, particularly in the coasts of this country. And then in Tim Walz, we have somebody who sort of embodies the proud, the resilient, the hardworking, patriotic middle of the country. And I do think that we can easily imagine Tim Walz very much embracing and leaning into that contrast. He is somebody who can get up on the campaign stage and say to the American people, ‘Look, I might not have gone to law school. I was busy serving in the military. I was busy being a high school teacher. I may not be from a big city on the coast. I was born in a small town in Nebraska. And yet I share all of these fundamental values that Kamala Harris holds dear. And here I am with all of the — you know, holding all of the same values and views as our Vice President Kamala Harris.’ So you could imagine that being sort of a really complimentary ticket that is, again, aimed at speaking to the really wide breadth voters that the Democrats are hoping to get to going into November as they‘re hoping to defeat the Donald Trump-J.D. Vance ticket.”

STILLER: “And, you know, they’ve grown up the last 10 years with this — this crazy world and the level of discourse that’s just, you know, gotten to such a low level. And this is a chance to really, you know, to to protect democracy and to — and to, you know, go in the right direction, to go forward, So that’s why everybody’s gotta get out and vote and donate. And she’s also a historic candidate. She’s going to be the first woman president and that’s incredibly exciting, and, you know, she’s Indian, she’s black, she’s everything. You could be more than one thing. It’s incredible. You know, I’m Jewish and Irish, I wish I was black. Every white Jewish guy wishes he was black. You know, it’s just — get out there and vote and donate and, like, take advantage. This is such an important time right now and this wave of energy that’s happening, we’ve gotta keep going with it. So, please, do everything you can.”

SCARBOROUGH: “Keir Starmer’s premiership started off with quite a challenge. We’re not getting — there’s not a lot of reporting in the United States about this, but a lot of white nationalists, a lot of neo-Nazis have been going around doing absolutely horrific things to Muslims, to people of color generally. I saw a headline of a Filipino nurse that was being rushed in to help with some injuries caused by these white nationalist rioters, and se was pelted with rocks. What’s going on over there? And can you explain how this was all started by a big lie?” KAY: “Yeah, so this was triggered by an absolutely just awful event a couple weeks ago when three young girls, who had been to a Taylor Swift dance class were stabbed to death by an individual who, for a while out on social media, it was claimed that the killer was a Muslim. That triggered attacks against mosques in Stockport, the town where these girls were killed, and rioting out on the streets. It then turned out the killer was not a Muslim, he was a 17-year-old, but the police made the unusual step of releasing his name. His parents had been Rwandan refugees. He was born in the United Kingdom. He is British, he’s black, but he was born in the United Kingdom. He is now in custody. But it hasn’t stopped these far-right nationalists from coming on the streets and attacking people who they think they shouldn’t be there, whether it’s because they’re brown or Muslims. What the prime minister’s challenge is, what they’d like to do, the government, my understanding is, is have a whole load of arrests very fast, but the U.K. justice system is slow. It takes time to get these people through courts. But they really want to send a message out. Keir Starmer has been out very much in public saying this is not acceptable, denouncing the protesters. But it’s an indication of some of this is social media, people jumping — you have young kids who seem to have — I mean, weirdly, young kids jumping into this who seem to have no political agenda at all, but just it’s summertime, they’re off school, they see the violence, and they seem to pile in. It has to stop. It has to be stopped, more importantly.” SCARBOROUGH: “Yeah. Anarchy in the U.K. We remember those images from the 1970s. I will say, this is a great opportunity for the new prime minister to show strength and act aggressively, clean up the streets, get these racists off the streets, arrest them. Make sure that they face justice.”

GUTFELD: “If Harris’ past statements on the economy are any indication, we are screwed.” [Clip starts] Harris: “Bread costs more, the gas costs more. Now, we have to understand what that means. That’s about the cost of living going up. That’s about having to stress and stretch limited resources. That’s about a source of stress for families that is not only economic but is on a daily level, something that is a heavy weight to carry.” [Clip ends] GUTFELD: “It is. She’s not drunk, Jesse.”

RUSH TRANSCRIPT: >> Not to you specifically. But just for people, I get too much of this. I’m happy to take lack. Biden said she was a not Biden brown said he was picking a black woman. He should have picked. Kamala Harris said why and included in her virtues that she’s female and she’s of a biracial background. It’s not going will gladly debate should I would gladly debate. She was most qualified people. Non-commercial run for president her ged and a sheer black issue woman she is qualified. She’s eminently qualified for the job that that’s my plan. I accept your point. I’m saying I’m not the one sages, the the president, the United States Anthony. Well, he didn’t want tell you that ir. The woman. He said I’m gonna hire may be wondering why. He said he said he’d appoint a black woman spring according get she’s him I don’t I don’t I don’t think that’s they’re saying. Understand. Okay, okay. Look, I’m not I would glad to debate how qualified. Yes. I know. And that’s ok, you can and will be successful. Most my point is simple. You know, you find me a black woman who wants that to be the first 2 reasons that she’s getting a job, right? I mean, everything James just said she did was put in the back of the list because of what Biden said. That’s my only point. How did the economics play Anthony? Well, just 36 to second, I think did James will have just making a point that she is incredibly qualified. >> And that this guy, I think, is something that the Republicans are going to try to tag or with. And yes, I get what you’re sag it. You’re saying that he hired a black woman and so forth, but we tell you something, you know, it is super hard. I was at Harvard law school with Barack Obama where camps passed them by a Massachusetts avenue.

Gorsuch: “I worry when more and more Americans think that people in the other political party are not just wrong — fine — but are evil. I worry when we are unable to speak to one another and listen to one another.” GARRETT: “But in a recent poll, 70 percent say Gorsuch and the other current justices contribute to that problem, deciding cases on ideology rather than being fair and impartial. There are people who watch this right now and say I thought I understood what Roe vs. Wade meant in our country. I thought I understand what affirmative action in college admission meant, and this court has told me I didn’t understand what those things meant and I wrongly relied on things that I thought were settled. What would you say to those?” Gorsuch: “I would say those are deeply complex legal questions on which reasonable minds can, of course, and do disagree. And that when it comes to Roe vs. Wade, for example, what did the court decide? Decided that we the people should answer that question, not nine people sitting in Washington, D.C.” GARRETT: “How about affirmative action?” Gorsuch: “Much the same thing. What did we decide? We decided that all people are created equal, that it’s not acceptable in this country to discriminate on the basis of race.” GARRETT: “And, for those who would say but I feel something’s been ripped away from me, you would say?” Gorsuch: “I would say that we’re taking it back to you. In a democracy, you’re in the driver’s seat. You’re the sovereign. Those famous three first words of the Constitution empower you. Do you really want me deciding everything for you?” GARRETT: “And for a woman in a state where she no longer has the rights she once relied on, is that cold comfort?” Gorsuch: “Major, all I can say is I don’t know better than you do on these questions. And that most major Western democracies have decided these questions through the ballot box.” GARRETT: “Does this court today or in the future have to understand and care about its public perception?” Gorsuch: “You raise a really interesting question about the place that unelected judges have in a democracy. An independent judiciary, our founders fought a revolution for it because they knew what it was like to have a judiciary that was responsive to the crown, to a whimsical king. And they didn’t want that for this country.”

Biden: “The only reason I’m coming over is [indecipherable] being here so late.” Reporter: “Mr. President, what do you want your legacy for Gen Z to be?” Biden: “That I’ve cured the economy —“ Reporter: “When are you going to go —“ Biden: “— and the environment and a few other small things.”

[Clip starts] Vance: “I pledge to every American, no matter your party, I will give you everything I have.” [Clip ends] STAHL: “Did Donald Trump make a mistake when he chose J.D. Vance?” Pelosi: “I think it was a great choice. (Laughs)”

BRZEZINSKI: “So Donald Trump is backing out of the ABC News debate against Vice President Kamala Harris and is instead proposing another debate on his terms. Trump said he won’t participate in the September 10th debate because President Biden will no longer be his opponent after he dropped out of the race. Trump took to Truth Social to declare he would only show up to a September 4th Fox News debate in Pennsylvania with a full arena audience, adding in a follow-up post that he picked the new date strategically as early voting begins September 6th. Harris responded on X writing, ‘It’s interesting how any time any place becomes one specific time, one specific safe space. I’ll be there on September 10th like he agreed to. I hope to see him there.’ And you know, if he’s not there, she can have a national audience for an hour and talk about what —“ SCARBOROUGH: “Yeah.” BRZEZINSKI: “— she might do when she becomes president of the United States of America.” SCARBOROUGH: “Yeah, yeah. Jonathan Lemire, they already decided, the campaign’s decided where they’re going to meet. He obviously is now proposing something that is no more likely for Kamala Harris to attend than — than him attending something on MSNBC in prime time. It’s just — it’s just not going to happen, which means he’s trying to figure out a way to get out of this debate gracefully and just not going to be able to do it.” LEMIRE: “No. And let’s recall here that Trump is arguing the reason why that September date shouldn’t be valid anymore is that the plan was for him to debate Joe Biden. But if you actually read the contract, the negotiation, the settlement, the agreement about this debate, Joe Biden’s name is not in there. It’s simply the Republican nominee versus Democratic nominee. So that is what the Trump camp is trying to do. He’s also alleged bias against some of the ABC anchors, which is nonsense. And we’ve now heard from the vice president’s campaign saying, look, we’re not going to change the plan. We’ll be there on September 10th. And there’ve been some Democrats who are saying, let’s be clear that she shouldn’t debate on Fox. Fox, which had to pay $787 million as part of a 2020 Big Lie-related settlement that still pushes on truths —“ SCARBOROUGH: “Hey, hey — and Jonathan — and Jonathan, not only that, again, and this is — this is serious — they — they all deliberately mispronounce her name, Ka-MA-la.” LEMIRE: “Yeah.” SCARBOROUGH: “Repeatedly. All the hosts. KA-mala, KA-mala, KA-mala. I mean —“ BRZEZINSKI: “I mean, some of them don’t do it on purpose, but there’s definitely like a kind of thing they’re doing there to make —“ SCARBOROUGH: “Yeah.” BRZEZINSKI: “— even her name seem different of whatever.” SCARBOROUGH: “And it’d be like if MSNBC hosts said ‘J.D. VEENCE’ and would ‘J.D. VEENCE’ want to go on a network that deliberately mispronounced —“ BRZEZINSKI: “Shady J.D..” SCARBOROUGH: “— ‘J.D. VEENCE’s’ name. KA-mala. Here work with me, it’s Ka-MA-la.” BRZEZINSKI: “Yeah.” LEMIRE: “Yeah. The sentence would be — the setting would be —“ SCARBOROUGH: “Ka-MA-la. Go ahead.” LEMIRE: “— the setting would be rigged. The setting would be rigged. To your point —“ SCARBOROUGH: “Right.” LEMIRE: “— why — why would she go to Fox, which is still putting forth these bad-faith arguments? I’ve talked to people in both campaigns who believe eventually a deal will be reached, probably on that ABC date. Maybe Trump will negotiate some changes. Well, maybe this time we will have a crowd as opposed to last time. Because recall, the Biden team did kind of get what they wanted in terms of format. It ended up not working out —“ BRZEZINSKI: “Yeah.” LEMIRE: “— for the president. So there — there’s some room here for negotiation. But I do think, especially if you’re Trump, my guess would be he will do this debate eventually for two reasons. One, I don’t think he could stand being called a coward if he actually does duck the debate with the vice president. But secondly, if momentum continues this direction and Harris gets a boost from her running mate pick, gets a boost from a strong convention a couple of weeks from now, and we’ve heard from Karl Rove at the very top of the show, if she’s got momentum and got a lead, well, Trump’s going to need — he’s the one who’s going to need the debate in an effort to try to change the narrative of the race.” BRZEZINSKI: “Yeah, that would be an opportunity. And he does bulldoze people and he doesn’t have boundaries of the truth. So a debate is where he could make a big impact if he wanted to.”

CRAMER: “I’d like to know, the 4 by 100 — Musk knows.” FABER: “Does he know what? He knows who’s going to win?” CRAMER: “No. I’m just saying that. And who’s the vice president — we don’t know who’s the vice presidential candidate.” FABER: “No, we’re going to find that out.” CRAMER: “And how about Tony West surfacing? My guy.” FABER: “Tony West —“ CRAMER: “I said Tony West would make it so that you’d have to rethink how left Kamala is. I think people should do that. Tony West.” [crosstalk] FABER: “We are waiting for the vice presidential decision of Vice President Harris.” CRAMER: “I know Tony. He’s a —“ FABER: “Yeah.” CRAMER: “— what I regard as a business person. There was no business person really that close to Biden, except for Gina Raimondo.” FABER: “Yeah.” CRAMER: “So this is a nice change of paces. A lot of business people surrounding Harris. If you’re — if you’re in the stock market, if you care about your paycheck, you go with — you go with Trump, if that’s what you do.” FABER: “You do?” CRAMER: “Yeah. Well, he wants to cut your taxes.” FABER: “Oh, he wants to cut taxes.” CRAMER: “Your taxes.” FABER: “My?” CRAMER: “Yeah.” FABER: “No. My tax’s got raised enormously as you know, under the last Trump Administration.” CRAMER: “Well no, he wants to cut taxes. I don’t know if he wants to cut — your president.” FABER: “No, no, no, no, no. I’m in a blue state.” CRAMER: “Oh, no, forget. You’re out. You’re out.” FABER: “They want to kill us.” CRAMER: “I tried to re — I tried to go to —“ [crosstalk] FABER: “They want to put us out of business. That’s what they want to do to us.” [crosstalk]