Debating JACOB HORNBERGER On Libertarian Open Borders Theory | Hn 145

Adam Haman and Bob Murphy welcome Jacob Hornberger on the show to discuss the libertarian approach to immigration and border policy. Let the sparks fly! Jacob is president and founder of the great Future of Freedom Foundation (https://www.fff.org/)

00:00 -- Intro. Hey! Jacob infiltrated our border! Podcast wars!
04:04 -- Let's talk immigration. What is the libertarian position? How does the existence of the state and "public property" screw up the pure analysis?
11:23 -- Are there lessons from the War on Drugs that apply here? In an imperfect minarchist system, how should a libertarian view various statist tradeoffs?
15:14 -- If we acknowledge that the government does control borders and public land and public buildings, what does libertarianism say about what rules they set? What is a "political border"? How does that concept differ from "public property"?
34:18 -- Should we think about borders, or should we think in terms of property rights? Who's rights are violated when a government agent stops an "illegal immigrant" from entering the country? Does the government own the roads? Do they act as if they do?
37:53 -- Speculating about Dave Smith's preferred government border policy. What "2nd best" options are available in a statist world?
46:28 -- Adam reveals his (admittedly arbitrary) "2nd best" government policy vis-a-vis immigration (and accidently says "private property" when he means "public property").
52:18 -- A hypothetical in which Virginia is being invaded. Also, Adam is caught daydreaming.
55:25 -- Is a specific government immigration policy automatically attached to a specific enforcement policy?
1:02:00 -- What should the liberty movement promote to the general public about the immigration issue?
1:08:40 -- Should the US give California and AZ etc back to Mexico since it's "stolen" territory? Also, Jacob announces a new book coming soon: The Case for Open Borders: A Primer.
1:12:43 -- Outro. Visit Jacob Hornberger at fff.org and thanks for watching Haman Nature!

Soho Forum debate mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWiSBnwIQM

Jacob response video 1: https://www.fff.org/freedom-in-motion/video/the-dave-smith-alex-nowasteh-immigration-debate/

Jacob response video 2: https://www.fff.org/freedom-in-motion/video/special-rejoinder-immigration-podcast-to-murphy-and-haman/

Haman Nature episode mentioned: https://youtu.be/vYqttuG3LlQ?si=bDEc3LhMvQLHAw1A

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