VIP with Parents

Speaker 1 0:20
Steve Fulcher bag. This is Steve Sasson and Jim Jonas with a special episode of veterans and politics. We're here live with

Unknown Speaker 0:47
Vem Miller's parents,

Speaker 1 0:50
Benji and Silva. But before we get to Vem Miller parents, they're going to talk about the harassment by the lvmpd. But before we get to that, Jim, you have any rants? No, actually,

Speaker 2 1:04
I don't. I'm very excited for this special episode. I want to thank both of you for coming in and being willing to be interviewed. It's, it's going to be an interesting episode, because one of the things, Stephen and I, despite popular belief, we're not advocates. We just want to get the word out and educate people, and that's why we've been doing this together for 17 years. So it'll be very educational, understand. And one of the things in the intro is understand your rights, so you both are going to be able to explain some things to individuals that have, in my opinion, have have had their rights violated. And it's going to be very interesting. And I don't like to talk that much. I like to learn. My thing has always been, I don't lose I learn, yeah, so that's and I just appreciate you both very much for coming in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:18
Silva, please, ladies, first, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 3 2:23
I'm Vem mother, and my background is nursing. I was working as a nurse at registered level like Rn and I worked in emergency rooms, in operation rooms, in surgical rooms. So I had very exciting kind of profession in my life. And quick thinking was very important, because once you have you know the patient right in front of you, or you think about saving life, saving life. And then people around you, like parents, husbands, spouses, relatives, they are in a very anxious mood, and why you are thinking critically about saving life, those parents, you have also to kind of put them in a peaceful and relaxing mood. So being relaxing and working towards keeping everyone like relaxed, and focusing on your profession, it takes a lot of thinking. I have saved lives in hospitals, in churches, in the streets during private parties like you don't know when emergency happened. So on Sunday, I was in my room, a very small room,

Speaker 1 3:52
Benji, could you give us a bio, and then we going to get right back to you.

Speaker 4 3:57
Okay? I am Vem father and my profession has been I'm a mostly University professor, and my specialization is economics and finance. And throughout my life, I'm now retired, but all more than 50 years, I've been in post secondary and university education system, and together on Sunday, we had some unpleasant events that took place. And now my wife will explain, and then I will give my account Sure. So

Speaker 2 4:38
if you don't mind, just for viewers and listeners. Um, noticing some accent. So, what, what? What country of origin are you both from? We're good with that. Okay, we're good with that. Okay, so, so, yeah.

Speaker 1 4:59
So what could you. Explain what happened here in Las Vegas. In Las

Speaker 3 5:04
Vegas on Sunday, October the 13th, I was studying in my room, reading and taking notes. All of a sudden, I saw a flashlight, and the flashlight was very strong, and it was moving right and left, right and left. So I went to the direction of the window. The window was closed, but

Unknown Speaker 5:35
the shades, the shades,

Speaker 3 5:39
shades, yeah, the shade was open, so I went towards the window. When I went towards the window, I saw this person with a flashlight and coming closer to the window. Because I lived in war country, Lebanon, and during the war, I was an RN in emergency room and medical room, and also the corona care unit room where we treated like heart patient. My mind almost went to this war in Lebanon. I said, Is this real or it is not real? Is this like Halloween that came very early, or what is happening like? My mind traveled very fast, and then when I heard this man saying, Open the door, open the door, open the door, he came closer to the window, and he knocked it. I went ahead and I closed the sheet. Then my husband said, Silver. What is happening? I said, I don't know if this a haunted house or a bad dream, or we are in a war, or it's a reality, like, my mind, you know, like, I'm so used to thinking, like, very hard to come to a solution. Like, I always focus on solutions. He said, Oh, the person is now at the front door. And using this light, open the door, open the door. We didn't communicate. Then he went towards the we have a room close to the kitchen with a window. He went there. Then he went back to the room that I was studying. Finally, he left in the morning, I saw a car with his name on it, telephone number and email address, but there was no instruction, like he didn't say, call me or email me. So I left it as is, and I didn't take any action. Do you remember his name? His name is Tulio pendulum. And where, and where did he come from? He comes from Southern Nevada, Counter Terrorism Center

Speaker 1 8:20
and sergeant in the lvmpd, a sergeant in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 8:28
Then all day we were scared, like the night was very difficult night because we couldn't sleep. Every movement, every light, every car, like triggered our thinking that you know what is going to happen next. So we had anxious feelings. My heart was pumping. I became kind of like fainting. My eyes, they start hurting, so I don't know what that light was. Was it a like case? Was it laser? I don't know, but the effect of it really affected my general well being. So we went to the kitchen close to six o'clock on Monday to prepare our dinner, because they eat at seven o'clock. His diabetes. It's like right under that. I went to the kitchen. He came after me. Then we had then I saw this light again, like very strong knock. Then, like, when I look through the window, I saw my god, like people in uniform. And then I saw many cars, but I didn't see any type of cars, huh? Police car. An SUV. But I didn't see all the cars because there was a blockage, you know, like the wall and knock on every window, open the door, open the door. I said, Why should I open the door? We need to do welfare check. I said, What about welfare check? He said, all your like neighbors, neighbors, they are so worried about you that they haven't seen you. I said, Mom, you are hearing a real woman, a real man, talking to you. I want to see your face. He said, This is why I want you to open the door. I opened the blind. I said, this is my face. He put this light again. The police officer. I felt almost like being blind or getting something my entire system. I said, if you came here to check my reserve

Unknown Speaker 11:07
good, you're alive, obviously, yeah.

Speaker 3 11:08
Why are you losing this light? It's going to blind me. Yeah. And I said to stop it. And I closed the blind. He kept asking my husband, what's your name? What's your name? My husband gave his name. I said, you are coming to my house. It's almost twice like, why are you asking his name? You must know where you are coming. And then I said, my thinking of welfare and your thinking of welfare, it's opposite, right? I'm not going to open the door for you. He said, You know, like a lover, like signaling me to open the door. I said, No, I'm not going to open the door. Meanwhile, Stephen came, and he said, Don't you ever open the door?

Unknown Speaker 12:02
Good asset to have.

Unknown Speaker 12:06
It's a good asset. Yeah, it's

Unknown Speaker 12:08
a good answer. Very

Speaker 3 12:09
like, you know, I just met him recently. I saw him in the past, but not you know, so much this few days. I thank you very much. Honestly, friends in need is a friend indeed, and I am. Thank you for serving our country. You know, like you gave us peace of mind, you gave the children peace of mind. I, thank you so again, they gave this light from the front door. I said to him, If I had only this area, the front door and a small living room, you would have damaged me by now with this light, please. I said, you know, I'm not going to open the door. And then the good news came from Steve. He said, Now I'm walking towards your front door. Open the door to me, because they are all gone. I said, How many? He said, about seven. Seven to 12 police officers, yes, seven. So let

Speaker 2 13:22
me ask you this question, did this encounter with Metro? Did that come after them? Was arrested in California.

Speaker 3 13:37
Vem was released already. Vem called me eight o'clock in the morning on Sunday, right, and he keeps, he keeps, you know, informing me like we keep in touch together, because I know what he does not everybody can do for a better living of our community, so we follow each other that night. I didn't see him after 5pm Saturday. I said, maybe he's busy with the rally, then maybe he met friends. This is why, the more I look at his social media. When I didn't see him, I started like worrying about him. Then he called me mom. He said, I need your help. I was arrested, and he gave me the detail so but by Sunday night, when the policeman or the man in uniform came in, they already knew that them was released. They already knew that there was nothing serious. So they knew about it. If we feel. Think that you know they didn't know about it on Sunday. Then what about Monday? Monday, it was all over, in the newspaper, in the media, like television, YouTube, everywhere that Vem was released, and they mentioned about 5000 bail, but he didn't pay any bail, you know. So that was a false news. And before he left, he showed me his invitation. Before he left, he said, Mom, I'm taking my gun with me. I said, be safe, because I believe in carrying gum. I was traveling once with Vem. We got hungry and we stood somewhere to have a bike.

Speaker 1 15:47
Sorry, so I wanted to stick to what happened. No. Why the

Speaker 3 15:50
why the gum is important, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 15:54
But okay, yeah, stick to what happened here.

Speaker 3 15:57
So your question, everybody knew Vem was released. Why did they come to bother us? What was their motive? And we are not part of what happened. So what did they expect from us? Then, if they needed to know how we feel, all it took, only takes them to give us a call. We are worried. Are you safe? Is your husband safe? Do you need help? Not with seven cars, 1516, after like senior citizen that we have done nothing wrong. Personally, I don't even have, like, driving ticket, parking ticket or a speeding ticket. You know, I had the best insurance with the most the best price, and no citation, nothing you know, clear record. I was discharged from nursing, like I finished my service in nursing, not with one error, you know, like everything was done as perfect as possible. So still I can't sleep. Still, it's a trauma. The war in Lebanon, the Civil War where I treat a patient, we didn't even have gloves. You have a patient you have to save the last. You don't look for gloves. Or when I had to do mouth to mouth resuscitation. It was direct mouth to mouth. You know, we didn't have anything like to use, like, everything was kind of impossible to find. Like, I'm more traumatized now then what I had seen with my eyes in the war, and I treated patients that they belong to different different parties, different political parties. At times, I had no room but to put all of them in one room with different parties. And I want them. I don't want any fights. We work hard to save lives. You don't fight here when you get discharged up to you, but here you don't. So this was such a trauma, like I really don't know how to deal with it. Every little noise, it's making me itchy. I haven't slept well, just in between, when I get extremely exhausted during the day, I relax a little bit, but my mind, my eye like It's haunting me this experience, Benji,

Speaker 4 18:55
okay, I can briefly Go over the episodes. It started Sunday evening, as my wife said, roughly around 7pm when our doorbell rang. Now, because we live in a gated community, and there is a security guard always if somebody is going to visit us. They call us and notify us. So I started getting worried. Who is this person that is ring, ringing our bell and knocking on the door quite strongly, almost at the turn of breaking it and also, as she said, she he was directing flashlight inside looking and then went to the windows and started knocking on the windows. This episode took about 1015 minutes, but we got we hide in the tea kitchen and. He left afterwards, we could get some sleep. Try to get some sleep. The next morning, we saw a card, a policeman's card, from Metro Police, and it specifically stated that this is a counter terrorism office. I said, Well, what the hell is going on counter terrorism? Why did they come to our house? We are elderly people. I'm 81 my wife is 77 and we don't deal with politics or terrorism at all. Anyhow, someday went by, and in the evening, again, we heard ringing our bell and knocking on the door quite strongly and going around knocking on the windows. That's when I got very worried, and for our safety, we called Steve, who was kind enough to rush and come to our house, and we didn't open the door at all. And Steve talked to the for this man, and they said that they are worried about our they pretended that somebody from our neighbors had called them, worrying our welfare, about our welfare, and he said that they want to see you. So we I opened the shade, and the two policemen came, put the flashlight on, and I said, first, my first question is, do you have a search warrant? They said, No, if you don't have such warrant, I'm not going to open the door, I told them, but they said, but we need to see you and check your rent. I said, No, I don't, I don't open the door as long as you don't have a search warrant. And I said, you want our welfare. Here we are, both of us, we are safe. You can go now. And in the meantime, my wife called the neighbors, and nobody has called the police, so it was a total lie, and they kept on banging, but we didn't open the door, and also she talked to them and explained that they'd have no right of coming inside our house and that we are not going to open the door. And so finally they left, and Steve called us that they have left and came in. But this was total harassment. It was traumatizing experience for two elderly people, and to we had to file a complaint against the police department that they came and disturb our peace, as well as put us in a very traumatic situation, and we are having now nightmares, also unable to go peace, to have peaceful to sleep for the last few days. Thank you.

Speaker 1 23:03
So Jim, I'm more like the host and the witness at the same time. So let me explain my point of view. What took place on that particular night, Vem Miller parents contacted me on on Sunday, telling me that they received a business card on their door for from a metropolitan police officer sergeant in the anti Terrorism Task Force. At this time, their son was already released from jail. At this time, FBI said that there was nothing, there was nothing founded here, and there was no there was no case of any type of attempted assassination on the President, that it was unfounded. So right away, I'm like, why is the anti Terrorism Task Force from Metro come into their house to harass them, and they live here in Nevada, and the alleged situation took place in California. It just didn't make any sense to me. So I ask if you want me. I ask the parents if they want me to call, and they say, well, I should get all of them and find out. But by this time, Monday rolled around, and the parents called me up and say, hey, you know police officers are surrounded her house. So I'm like, What the hell is that about? You know what I mean? So I go over there, and there was between seven to 12 police officers, all in uniform. There was about 666, or seven squad cars there all, all sports utility vehicles. So I parked and I walked through the sea of officers. So I am about to head on to the. Property, and one of the cops, Sergeant legraw, capital L, small letter E, capital G, R, O, W, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, where you going? Where you going? I'm like, What do you mean where I'm going? Where you going? I'm like, I'm going over here to this house. Why do you know them? I said, apparently. Why? If I didn't know, why would I be going there? You know, I went through two gates, two security gates, to get here. Of course, I know. Well, you you can't go. You got to come off the property. I'm like, What is this a crime scene? What do you mean? I got to come off the property. And they're like, Wait a minute. So do you know them? I said, said it again. I'm like, Yeah, I know them. What do I got to get off the property? There's no yellow tape here. It was. What's going on? Well, we're here for a welfare check. I said, welfare check. I just spoke to them. There's nothing wrong with them. We're you here for a welfare check. I said, When was the last time it took seven to 12 officers to show up for a welfare check? I'm like, This is not no welfare check. This sounds like intimidation. This sounds like elder elder abuse. It sounds like you're just trying to have access to the house. So why would you want access to the house? I mean, this is not even your jurisdiction. I mean, this happened, allegedly. This happened in California. Why are you here? This is a federal matter, if any, if it any, it's a federal matter. Where's the US Marshal, where's the FBI, where them? You have no jurisdiction to go to your house. This is not no welfare check. I'm like, Well, you bullshitted. So anyways, I call up the parents. I say, hey, you know, there's like, whole bunch of police officers out here, neighbors already outside looking and you know how neighbors, right? Yeah, and it's embarrassing for neighbors to come out. Police surround your house. It makes you look like a criminal, right? Anyways, I get on the phone. I say, hey, you know there's seven or 12 officers here. They want access to your home. They're claiming that it's a welfare check, but it's not a welfare check. Don't let them in your house. They don't have a search warrant. If they did have a search warrant, they would have kicked the door. So they don't have reason to be here, no legal reason to be here. So anyways, they overheard me, so what did they do? They think they're smart, so they go and call the owner of the house, because they're renting the property. So they call the owner of the house. So the owner pulls up in a big white, white truck pulls up about ready to step out side to go to the house. And then I call them again and, and I mean, my voice is loud, right? So I deliberately, no, you want to be loud, right? I want them to hear me. So I'm on the phone, and I said, Hey, the owner is here. Don't let them in the house either, because you guys have a lease agreement, right? So don't let them in the house. So when Officer la grow heard me say that he goes, I'm gonna arrest you for obstruction of justice. I said, What do you mean? You're gonna arrest me for obstruction of justice. Obstruct what? This is not a crime scene. A

Unknown Speaker 28:14
welfare check is not a crime scene. I

Speaker 1 28:16
know and you hear on a welfare check. I said, this is not a crime scene. I said, So are you stifling my First Amendment, right? I said, or are you telling me that I can't, I can't give them legal advice, although I'm not an attorney, but I can't give them legal advice. Is that what you're saying? Then the other cop comes, I don't know his name, he goes, Well, you got you got to back up. So I went over to my truck, and I called up two attorneys, and I explained to them what happened on voicemail. And then I call up a judge, and I'm over here talking to the judge. I'm like, Hey, Judge, you know, there's about seven or 12 cops out here. It's probably one of the most safest places in Clark County right now, wasting taxpayers time and resources when they could be out there, you know, catching criminals like robbers, murderers, rapists or something like that. They could be out. But no, they're over here. They're over here trying to abuse their authority. They're over here trying to intimidate, and they're abusing the elderly folks that live there. I said, What kind of bullshit is that? So I'm saying that loud because I want them to hear me. So anyways, four cops come to come towards me, even the Sergeant legraw. And I remember that name completely, Sergeant lagraw, and they come towards me, and one of the cops goes, What's your name? I said, What do you need to know my name? Why? Why do you need to know my name for

Unknown Speaker 29:38
it? Taxpaying citizen.

Speaker 1 29:42
My I said, Hey, my name is Steve, what's your name? Not gonna tell me your name. So anyways, we start talking, and I said, Look here. Look here. You You had no right to be here. You know that welfare check? You know that's bullshit. I said, Who? Who said that there's a welfare who called you? I said. The only one that would call would be me or or their son, and which is in California. I said, who called you? And anyone tell me? I said, it's a secret. I said, What's this is? What? Since it's a secret not to tell somebody who called for a welfare check, what did that become a secret? I've never heard of such a thing before, so, so I said to him, I said, look here, we all know it's bull crap. Okay, you're not hearing a welfare check. You're here to intimidate these people. You're here to gain access to the house. That's what you're here for. This is not a welfare check. And then he goes. I said, I just got off the phone with a judge. I said, You heard him. I said, You know what my next phone call is going to be to the sheriff. And then he goes the Sergeant lagraw, oh, we have enough hair. We have enough hair. I said, you have enough of. What? What? What did you have enough of? There's what. Tell me. What did you accomplish? Besides harassing these folks? What did you accomplish? You accomplished nothing. All you accomplished is wasting tax dollars when you should be patrolling the streets. You're already harassing these folks. That's the only thing you accomplished, right? So then they left. They left so fast, yeah, all 12 of them got in their squad cars and left. So the moral of the story, folks is, know the law, know your rights just because somebody has a badge and a gun, that doesn't make them right. And what pisses me off, Jim, is this Sergeant lagraw is a liar. He lied to me. I mean, a law enforcement supposed to be above, above approach. Tell the truth. This guy lied. Not only did he lie to me, he threatened me with arrests because I was giving them sound legal advice, and he didn't like it, so he threatened me to with an arrest. Tell him that, telling me that I'm obstructing justice. The only justice I was obstructed was his lies. That was the only justice I was obstructed. So know your rights, stand your ground, and that's why we're bringing this to your attention. We did a podcast earlier, but it was a lot of kids running around. It was a little bit hard to hear, so I figured, let's do it again and and make it clearer. And people could understand that just because a police officer is knocking at your door, that doesn't mean you need to let him in. You don't need to let him in because why is he there anyway? If you didn't call 911, or 411, he doesn't have any reason to be there. No legal reason to be there at all. Actually, I

Speaker 2 32:47
just brought that up. This is one of the reasons why it was Google to request a welfare check. You have to call 9311, actually, non emergency contact, and then give the address so and then when officer comes to your door, he has to give you the request PIN number. They actually have pin numbers for this, the exact pin number of who requested the welfare check and what exactly the welfare check encompasses so that, and that's on the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department's website.

Speaker 1 33:31
The reason why they didn't provide any names is because there is no name, right? It's because that cop, Sergeant lagraw, is a liar. That's all plain and simple. He's a liar, and he should be disciplined for that severely. So we filed, and all three of us file a complaint with Metro's internal affairs, and we're also going to file a complaint with the citizens citizens review board. So and one thing I've noticed, if you if you put these things onto the rug, and you don't say anything about it, what happens they do to the next person? They do it to the next person, and next time, they might even be more abrasive and more abrasive, and this is how innocent people get

Unknown Speaker 34:16
killed.

Speaker 1 34:20
So what happens if Mr. Miller was at the house? What they were going to do? Draw on him, you know? They want to open fire on him, you know. And this is ludicrous. So there you have. It's very anything I say that

Speaker 3 34:39
the damages it caused on our mental health and our physical health. I cannot describe like two of us. We haven't slept a good night. Asleep. You know, we are up, we look at each other, then we are up again. We look at each other like no reason to. Go through this like nobody should go through this. And

Speaker 1 35:04
I just wanted to add on another, another note is that I did contact Sheriff MC mail. He explained he was out of town, and I did do a verbal complaint. He explained that he has elevated to elevated the complaint to his chief, and he also explained that the cops will not be at these at these folks home again, unless they call the cops. They're not going to like voluntarily show up, unexpectedly, unannounced. So Sheriff mcnail, thank you so much for doing that. You're a great sheriff. Keep doing what you're doing. Okay, so

Unknown Speaker 35:41
you have anything else, sir, no,

Speaker 4 35:44
maybe I should say that. You could say, I can say about them, that the FBI and Secret Service immediately dismissed that there was any SS United attempt. On top of it, Attorney General said that Trump was okay. Nothing happened to him. And this person was working when Miller was working for Trump, and he had the genuine invitation from the Trump campaign to

Speaker 1 36:19
be where he was and another thing, if local police cannot just pop up to your house for something that happened or allegedly happened in another state, they need to be accompanied by the US Marshal or the FBI, because They have no jurisdiction what takes place, allegedly, in another state, none there you have it, yeah, 100% anything else?

Speaker 2 36:49
No, I just want to say I just really try to get some better sleep. I know it's hard based on what you guys went through, but yeah, in I guess I will make a little bit of a political statement on this one. You you kind of alluded to what country you were originally from, but that's this stuff shouldn't happen in United States of America, yeah, but I'm just saying in general, like that was the whole purpose behind this country, and now you got, and I'm not going to say the political party, but you have a political party in this country that is actually, you know, Using the Department of Justice to go after people that don't agree with them politically, and that's just it's just wrong, and it This shouldn't happen in the United States, true, and good thing for us. We have people like Steve Sanson that won't tolerate that. Yeah, he showed up at your door. And cops don't like seeing Steve, because he knows his rights and he exercises them, and he understands how.

Speaker 4 38:06
Yeah, we're very happy that we knew knew about Steve and he could intervene otherwise. I don't know what this counter terror policeman were going to do to us, probably what I suspect they would have ransacked our house and walked away with our staff, but thank God we didn't have to leave them in

Speaker 1 38:39
and Officer Tulio pan Dulo, I hope I pronounced that correctly, Sergeant for the Southern Nevada Counter Terrorism Center, did you also show up for a welfare check as well the day before you sent 12 cops to show up to their house? I just want to know, because these are unanswered questions, and hopefully that IA report will answer some of the questions for us. We want to know why you were at their house, period. Tell us. And then we want to know who sent you. Those are, those are two who sent you, yeah, why did you show up and why? Why are you breaking the law? Yes, why are you breaking the law?

Unknown Speaker 39:17
FBI wasn't with you. US. Marshals

Unknown Speaker 39:19
wasn't with you. You

Unknown Speaker 39:20
have no jurisdiction.

Unknown Speaker 39:22
Why are you breaking the law?

Speaker 3 39:26
Yes, you know. Why was he there so aggressively? Yeah. Anything else you want

Unknown Speaker 39:32
to say? Benjamin, thank you. Thank

Speaker 4 39:34
you. We appreciate what the work you're doing. Yeah?

Unknown Speaker 39:37
Jim,

Speaker 2 39:38
no, I'm good. I just thank you both for coming in. It's a very emotional situation that you guys were through, put through, unfortunately by legal actions, allegedly, I gotta say that by the Metropolitan Police Department, but thank you guys very much for being willing to. Come in and and speak about it candidly on there. It's not an easy thing. So thank you both very much.

Speaker 1 40:07
Oh Jim, thank you for coming in on this special episode. Benji. So thank you so much for being on the show, being brave souls to come and do it. And Sergeant Lagrange metropolitan police station, you should be charged with elderly abuse as well. This is Steve Samson, Jim Jonas of Veterans and politics

Unknown Speaker 40:24
until next time you

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you

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