Dave Smith skelkar Joe Rogan við sannroyndum um NATO-víðkan

Úr Joe Rogan #1977 við Dave Smith.

"It's not like it's just Ron Paul, Noam Chomsky, and Pat Buchanan like the outsiders who were against NATO expansion. But the list of people within the government, within the natural security apparatus, who completely opposed NATO expansion is very impressive and long."

•Robert McNamara (Sec. of Defense)
•Robert Gates (Sec. of Defense)
•William Perry (Sec. of Defense)
•George Kennan (American diplomat)
•William Burns (CIA Director)

"They all opposed NATO expansion in the strongest possible language and all explicitly because this will provoke a conflict with Russia. There's this great interview that George Kennan gave with Thomas Friedman from the New York Times in the 90s when they were doing the first round of NATO expansion, and he is furious... What are you guys doing? We won the Cold War. Now, you are picking a fight with Russia?

These aren't the Soviets. These aren't the communists. These are the heroes who overthrew them. Why are we picking a fight with them? He's said, and this is a crazy prediction, really ominous. The people who are expanding NATO will keep expanding it and expanding it, and then there will be a Russian reaction, and then when theirs the Russian reaction, they are going to say, see, that's proof that we have to keep on expanding it."

•CIA Director William Burns warned in a 2008 memo to Condoleezza Rice that NATO expansion to Ukraine crosses Moscow’s “redlines” and could "split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.”

"The same dumb neocons that had this policy to remake the Middle East are the same ones that had this policy to expand NATO to Russia's border. And man, was this just the dumbest, most reckless policy ever. That's now put us in a position where we are closer to a risk of World War III and nuclear war than we have ever been in my life, and for what? To make sure the Donbas region is ruled by Kyiv rather than Moscow? Is that really worth it?"

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